Jack Reese, The Christian Chronicle Worship Forum Review Kenneth Sublett, Piney.com, Hohenwald, Tennessee Dr. Jack Reese, dean of the College of Biblical Studies, A.C.U, offers an apology for many ICOC detractors' use of the "cult" label. At the same time we see the RISE of mind control: Max Lucado Discipling Minister----Promise Keepers Shepherding----Lynn Anderson Discipling from P.K., ---- Rubel Shelly "community interpretation" not for "individuals." [Are UNITY meetings just shams?]
Terry Rush 'we are wrong about instrumental music.'
Unfortunately our "colleges" have left our preachers thread bare about the music issue beginning in the garden.
Mark Henderson falls prey to Christian church "unity"
Rick Atchley: Justification for sowing discord at Richland Hills. Part One review of "foundation
See Jack Reese on Taize Worship
Jack Reese in The Christian Chronicle : Are women in public worship, fermented wine, praise services with instrumental music, solos and choruses not fundamental issues? An issue such as instrumental attempts to worship God is never an issue for debate until people use huge machinery such as the Jubilee and sister-religious festivals around the country to deliberately try praxis as a way to acclimate people to women's worship teams, instrumental music, raising holy hands, laying on of hands, ridiculing the legalists and trying to wash away baptism. Then, when people refuse to navigate the winds of change but resist them as Paul taught in Ephesians 4 and plow straight ahead or get out of the wind, they are charged with "sowing discord" and with attempting to destroy the brotherhood (being fratricidal.)
If you get nothing else please grasp that not among the Jews nor in the most vile pagan temples did the musicians enter into the Holy Places. Among the Jews, the Holy Place is a carnal type of the spiritual body of Christ. No Levitical musician could enter into this type of the church of Christ even to clean out the garbage.
The temple musicians in a "religious sense" (grouped with prostitutes in pagan religions) were in the court making a loud mocking noise during the sacrifice and burning of animals. Their service, under the KING and COMMANDERS of the ARMY is defined as HARD BONDAGE: a word much like Abaddon in the book of Revelation.
In fulfilment of the prophetic type in Psalm 41 and fulfilled in the Dead Sea Scroll translation, Judas and the military musicians would attempt to turn Jesus into a coward. Click for some examples.
When people see "Godliness as a means of financial gain" they see "ministry" as an occupation like plumber or psychologist. Lindy Adams interviews Jeanene Reese and we can see that when "schools" are set up to manufacture preachers it inevitably falls under the charm of the world to see ministry as "office on the good Ship Synagogue" or church. While we believe that the "doctors of the law" can be sincere, Jesus fired them out of the church because it is virtually impossible to "Seminary" an honest Bible Student without turning him away from that which you charge too much to train him for.
Why Males in the Post-Biblical Effeminate Church are Disguised as Empty Pews or Hostile Masculines: it Will Get Worse! "Of the Effeminate Willow-Creek "Holy Entertainment" System: "The cost of this approach is hard work and loads of strife with church insiders." Christianity Today
Giving Heed to the Word was the principle "act" of worship in the Christian Synagogue. "Preaching" Narrative Theology of cut-N-paste sermons was never an act of worship. Thomas Campbell and most older scholars define how the Word is the "Truth" of worship "in spirit" or in the mind which is the only kind and place God even bothers to look for. Outrageious Biblical illiteracy "among the scholars" is explained by Paul's teaching that "fools love to be fooled." Read how two people had to abandon churches built around pagan entertainment in order to discover the Word. Click and go down to where The Devil is Laughing to see how he and the watching world is not laughing WITH the new for-hire Bible Repudiators but laughing AT them and their followers just as the Israelites became a LAUGHINGSTOCK with their musical idolatry at Mount Sinai (Now the SCHOLAR'S pattern for worship and community.)
We have added some notes BELOW to FERMENTED WINE as an optional issue: Click Here.
And slandering Jesus by accusing Him of being a wine drinker and wholesale manufacturer: Rubel Shelly.
The brotherhood has been so tenderized that I cannot even make that statement of opinion without being a legalist and sowing discord. If they sowed thistles in my garden and I came along and picked up the seed and planted turnips I would be sowing the seed of discord. So, get used to it until the Yo-yos swing like a pendulum having run out their string. This, too, will pass.
As children, we always just hated it when we had a master plan for capturing "Flat top" and the other kids wouldn't let us be Dick Tracy. However, as grown ups we understand that those who try to combine the wrong elements from our chemistry set are responsible for the explosion. And yet, we get charged with guilt because we kept yelling, Stop.
The Christian Chronicle recently cast doubt upon our clinging to the name church of Christ. However, a reader responded with some history 101aaa and we have added it (without authority) to our research for a Catholic or universal meaning. Click Here to see that this is the historical name of the church.
Clifton Yeager, Huber Heights, Ohio responded to the Christian Chronicle "Restoration 21" series. But don't look for any of the conservative crowd here.
"Over the last several years, many people in our congregations are choosing one of two different paths. On one hand, more and more of our children, and not a few of their parents, are leaving Churches of Christ and the values and practices of the Stone-Campbell heritage, a development that troubles us. Since many of us no longer believe that only members of Churches of Christ can be saved, exclusive loyalty to our own fellowship is in decline. With that, of course, comes the loss of some unique things that our churches have long stood for."
We suggest that the old dividers who decided that others could not go to heaven have now used the same judgmentalism to declare that they can go to heaven. By what right does this God-like interrogation begin in the first place? Didn't Jesus demand that those needing support "go into all the world and preach the gospel" and not stir up stinks about issues which seem to insist that the church of Christ is a "big ugly denomination" needing the medical attention of doctors of the law.
We suggest that judgmentalism begins with professional religionists feeling some need to protect turf and not form the lowly members.
We also uggest also that members have not left but been driven away by people who take the pay but do not believe what they are preaching. Thus, in my memory of the last 30 years, there has been a drum beat by expansive preachers and book sellers and lecuture peddlers to belittle the church of Christ. It is sectarian, mean spirited and Pharisaical, they say, because we continue to believe that instrumental music is wrong when the Denominationally-educated pastors don't have a clue about the Biblical teaching against music or the 2,000 year anti-music or other mechanical efforts to worship God. They leave because the same ignorance declares that baptism is no longer required.
They leave because "the lecture is the least effective way to communicate" and they just refuse to support fill in the blanks sermons which will leave a 20 year audience brain-drained and biblically illiterate. They can now, free of charge, get the resources not even available to the doctors of the law. TV is much better entertainment than theatrically performed sermons or the slap in the face of musical worship teams pretending to mediate for the audience.
Now, they are like the mechanic who broke my wife's Jeep's heater: "I will fix it for $300.00." That which the "scholars" have wrecked they now presume to fix. How about just butting out and finding another "profession" rather than "seeing godliness as a means of financial gain."
The article also suggests, as usual, that churches of Christ caused the split. Our article shows that prior Disciple census effort alerted the Census Bureau to the fact that they were counting non-society and non-instrumental churches as their own. The division had taken place long before.
The Christian Chronicle for 20 December 2000 shows the distribution of churches of Christ. It absolutely suggests that church growth ceased because the church coming under the dominant pastor system refused to obey the Great Commission. Therefore, it feeds on itself and totally explains the division as fight over Leming-like panic when the turf gets too crowded. Preachers coming out of demoninational colleges will, without a doubt, reflect the teaching of those colleges.
Jack Reese will be in RED, our review is primarily in BLACK and BLUE reflects many other comments.
Related Material: Dan Dozier: We need to be filled up, to be comforted, to be overwhelmed with wonder, and to be lifted up in the exhilaration of praise. Sorry, but God is pure or Holy Spirit and if you try to get too intimate you will be burned to a crisp.
Amos meant what God told him to say:
All of the doctors of the law, even A Cappells, love to pretend that God would have been perfectly delighted with the worship of the golden calves in Israel if only they had a good mental attitude. This flies in the face of the text and numerous parallel passages and in the face of ancient and modern scholars. This is purely a preacher fallacy. Why? Perhaps because when ministries fail, music is always there to fall back on. Or perhaps they do not believe what their employers think that they believe about music.
We have added Amos notes to let heavy-weight scholars refute Jack Reese and all of those who trivialize the addition of instrumental music and choirs. This has the effect of declaring that opposition to those adding non scriptural practices is being trivial when they should be about more important things. If only the wind navigators will quit blowing hot air this might be possible.
The primary new Amos notes may be found by clicking here.
And an article on Amos Five to show that the MUSICAL WORSHIP in Israel and also Judah was the worship of Molech or Chiun (Saturn 666). Stephen says that God "turned them over to worship the STARRY HOST because of this mortal idolatry which was MUSICAL. Note that the diagram proves that the MUSICIANS for animal sacrifices were NOT in the Holy Place as a TYPE of the Church of Christ or Body of Christ. It was not to be POLLUTED by ever by either SINGERS or MUSICIANS entering. The SERVICE of the Levitical musicians "under the king and commanders of the army" was called HARD BONDAGE and they served the Priests. The priests in turn sacrificed all of those thousands of INNOCENT ANIMALS. This was a TYPE of the musical mocking the Levites would try on Jesus as they SACRIFICED him as the ONE-TIME offering which stopped all of the music which was called NOISE.
Not even in the VILEST PAGAN TEMPLE did the singers or musicians enter into the Holy Places. One exception was the Abomination of Deslolation in the Jerusalem temple where Zeus and Dionysus were worshiped with MUSIC and its eternal CO-PARTRNER: Sexuality and perverted sexuality. See Second Macc.
Online: Part 1 of a 3-part Series on Worship
- Article in The Christian Chronicle:
- Jack Reese: Dean, College of Biblical Studies
- Abilene Christian University
- Abilene, Texas
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Jack Reese: Do I have to be upset every
Sunday?" The question hung in the air, not spoken with anger
but frustration. The woman had kept quiet for at least
two
years about
the changes in the Sunday worship, but she would remain
silent no longer. Why were things always being changed?
Couldn't the church just stop for a while and not keep
upsetting so many of its members?
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A Baptist Pastor sees the same problem. Therefore, it is not honest to blame the world-wide discontent with institutional religion as created by "non-instrumental churches of Christ.""I am finding myself having more and more conversations with long-time friends who are literally heart-broken over changes in their churches regarding the music. More and more churches that have had a good reputation for godly music are going off in directions that are perplexing many of the "good people" who have borne the weight of that ministry.
"In that process of change, the pastors have succeeded in greatly offending many of the faithful mainstream of workers, soul winners and teachers to the point that many of these people are considering or will soon consider changing churches
because they cannot tolerate the new direction the music has taken.
"Call this reaction prejudice, being old-fashioned, being narrow-minded, or having spiritual convictions, etc. it is time that someone considered the "good people" who are being driven from the churches they love
by people intent on making church music more acceptable to the 'lost world' or even just more 'enjoyable' for themselves.
"Church music has been rapidly changing in the majority of the churches in America. A statement was made in that between 1993 and 1996, the percentage of churches using mostly traditional music with piano and organ declined from 49 to 37 percent. And during the past five years, more churches that use mostly contemporary music (69%) experience growth than did traditional churches (47%). Christianity Today.
"Most people say that the church must be relevant and need-centered to be acceptable to today's generation. Churches are examining their programs to accommodate this new wave of "my need and of my family". "Make them feel comfortable" is the cry. "Meet them where they live." "We all must learn to like this music".
Constant with the Great American Awakenings which featured radical new styles which attracted the widest possible kinds of "seeekers" the growth peaked, fell back and in the end nothing changed but "sowing discord" by the Seeker styles of music. In the end, the "revivals" had to be ended because the booze salesmen and prostitutes were more evangelistic among the youth than the preachers. You see, you always need a bigger and bigger fix.
Citizens of Zion: The Social Origins of Camp Meeting Revivalism by Ellen Eslinger shows that the pattern of growth is not based upon human performance which ignores the narrator's teaching role in the church. After the radical changes to the churches it was recognized that this radicalism hindered the growth of the Restoration Movement.
Of the First Great American Awakening:
"The picture changes somewhat, however, if long-term trends are analyzed. Very soon after the revival the average number of admissions dropped considerablybelow where they had been in the 1730s.
"While it is true that these figures do not fully reflect the formation of new "Separate" and Baptist churches, they do seem to suggest that revival did not drastically increase the total number of people actually joining the church with a profession of faith over the entire period, 1730-1750.
It seems rather to have concentrated church admissions in the years of its great impact.
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Jack Reese: The young man sat on the edge of his chair,
his arms
gesturing emphatically. "Must I continue to sit through services that seem
to have been planned in 1950? I dread coming to church and I'm embarrassed to
invite my friends." He had had about all he could
take.
The hymns seemed irrelevant, the services stale and stuffy. He was already looking for another place to attend. |
It is not fair to blame non-instrumental, Bible believers for the problems the colleges have created by training PREACHERS to man secular institutions rather than to train TEACHERS to help lead the assembly. No, Jesus promised to BUILD MY EKKLESIA or SYNAGOGUE so training CHURCH administrators equips for the worship of CIRCE or KIRKE whom we worship every time we say "church" this or "church" that. Circe was the model of the holy whore who uses "phramacy" or sorcery and music to seduce members sexually. The drug high turned them into "beasts" often pigs. Circe then spent her ministry time making DUNK CAKES to feed those who had been seduced. DUNG was a very important "food" in many ancient religions. For instance, the Levitical Sounders (not musicians) were to serve the priests and not God. The priests had to endure the slaughter of innocent animals as if they were slaughtering Jesus Christ. Their world was filled with screaming animals, blood, dung and burning flesh. Because Israel's elders wanted a KING LIKE THE NATIONS God understood that it was so that they could WORSHIP LIKE THE NATIONS. Therefore, He abandoned them to kings who would destroy them.Jesus said: "I will build my ekklesia or synagogue." The Qahal or Synagogue or church in the wilderness met only for instructions and "blowing instruments and 'making a joyful noise before the Lord'" was outlawed because it was the warrior's panic alarm (Numbers 10).
The concensus makers (now Thought Leaders) always seem surprised when the changes they have actively sought through "naviging the winds of change" actually take place. They simply cannot grasp why people who are taught about "the big ugly denomination" suddenly follow the destructive leaders. For instance, in the First Great American Awakening:
"In New England, the Great Awakening sounded the death knell for the comprehensive Puritan conception of the world.
Its immediate impact was to divide the Puritan churches into four more or less distinct groups.
However, their new-style worship was exactly like old style paganism which overwhelmed Jerusalem so that it was called "Egypt and Sodom." When the Musical Worship Team tried to conduct "funeral" for the dead girl as they would conduct weddings or religious rituals, Jesus cast them out "more or less violently" as one casts out dung.
Aristotle, Athenian Constitution
These then are the matters administered by the Council. Also ten men are elected by lot as Restorers of Temples, who draw 30 minae1 from the Receivers and repair the temples that most require it; and TEN CITY Controllers, [2]
[five of whom hold office in Peiraeus (REPLICATE city) and five in the city;
"it is they who SUPERVIZE the FLUTE-girls and HARP-girls and LYRE-girls to prevent their receiving fees of more than two drachmas,
"and if several persons want to take the SAME GIRL these officials cast lots between them and hire her out to the winner.
"And they keep watch to prevent any scavenger from DEPOSITING ODURE (dung) within a mile and a quarter of the wall;
"and they prevent the construction of buildings encroaching on and balconies overhanging the roads, of overhead conduits with an overflow into the road, and of windows opening outward on to the road;
"and they remove for BURIAL the bodies of persons who DIE on the roads, having public slaves for this service.
Skubalon (g4657) skoo'-bal-on; neut. of a presumed der. of 1519 and 2965 and 906; what is thrown to the dogs, i.e. refuse (ordure): - dung.
Kuon (g2965) koo'-ohn; a prim. word; a dog ["hound"] (lit. or fig.): - dog.Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. Mt.7:6
The work of the clergy who LADED the people down with BURDENS laded them with "spiritual anxiety created by religious rituals." This is related to the word DUNG. The rhetoricians, sophists, singers, musicians, technicians or craftsmen were members of the HYPOCRITE sect of the Jews. The are all identified in the Greek world as parasites.
Proponents of revival were known as "New Lights,"
but this broad designation covered at least two distinct groups
Jonathan Edwards represented the moderate New Lights who wished to remain within estalished Congregationalism, but who did not mute their evangelistic zeal, their renewed Calvinism, and their belief in pure churches.
"A new desire to see the churches purified of all but the elect was an ecclesiastical reflection of this more intense piety."
"To the left of these Edwardseans was a more radical camp. Many who had been quickened by revival found the established church sterile and oppressive. Such people ohen broke away to form "Separate" churches.
It is a fact that charismatics identified by "musical worship teams" leading you into the presence of God (mediators) and turning to HOLY THEATER (by and for the effeminate) have as their first task the building of a new theater as "venue for Rock and Roll" then get it paid for. The next task is to drive off the old folks or hope they die so we can get the "girls" busy performing their new "worship" to attract those brain and soul damaged by music.
Revivalistic or charismatic practices includes music. And music induces endorphins meaning morhphin-like. When you wheel off into the realm of drug-induced "worship" there is not end in sight. Those who added Cowboy Dan with his guitar will want pipes and drums, changs and booms.
And so, those who have led the church off into musical (meaning charismatic) rituals will get their due reward when some new turk leads his sheep from being skinned or fleeced to being slaughtered. As a result of the first Great Awakening:
Historian C. C. Goen has painstakingly identified 321 separations of one kind or another by these New Lights. Some of these splits were healed rapidly. Others led to the continuation of "Separate Congregational', churches. But most eventually became Baptist congregations.
Someone has tabulated at least 146 different Baptist groups still in existence and growing. And, would you believe it, among musical-charismatic churches the whine is "how do we keep our young people?"
When we substitute human poetry, often silly, sometimes heretical, and always sentimental and effeminizing, the people are, as Amos warned in chapters 5, 6 and 8 "hungering and thirsting for the Word of God." We wander from sea to sea trying to find it and cannot. As a result someone comes along with a fish hook and leads us into captivity and spiritual death.
In very undeveloped areas people eat dirt quite naturally because they do not know that they are starving for some unknown mineral. In the same way, people who are malnourished because they are not fed on the Word go looking for something without knowing why. Rather than feeding them on dirt or junk food it would be better to hand out mineral tablets and teach them the Word.
However, Jesus warned that the doctors of the law take away the key to knowledge and therefore demanded that He is our Shepherd to lead us to tall grass and the Water of the Word. At the same time, He observes silence to allow the process work.
Perhaps the young man needs to be fed from the Hand of Jesus with the Bread of Life and given the Water of the Word. However, when you feed people a "wine-like gospel" you destroy their internal "organs" and they die spiritually. God often condemns the elders of Israel because they just muddied the water after taking what they wanted.
The style of harmonizing which we do more radically than most irritates before it begins to feel spiritual. The music-induced endorphins are created to heal the wound from music and give a bit over to give us the drug high. However, in time the "fix" needs to be bigger and bigger until we cannot see or hear the word like the clergy whom Jesus dismissed by speaking parables which they couldn't grasp. Our music has been called "low level glossalalia" or just speaking in tongues and it has the same effect of creating ecstasy like mescaline or peyote.
Without knowing it, the wish for more excitement could also be satisfied if there was just one teacher who had turned to Christ and had a clear-conscience (or consciousness) or the ability to co-perceive the Mind of Christ, the Spirit of God, the words of Christ (John 6:63).
Highly charismatic and musical denominations voice the same plea on the web: "What can we do to keep our kids." The high from music cannot compete with stolen CDS as a bigger fix than most churches are willing to provide the needle for. The problem in both extremes is the same: ignoring the command to "preach or teach" with the Biblical text and hallucinating that singing is translated in the New Testament as "music." It is not.
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Jack Reese: Both of these complaints were
voiced to the elders. The same elders. The two were members
of the same congregation!
This dilemma can be multiplied by hundreds. It's a scene played out in church after church. How can we sort all this out, do what's best for the whole church? |
The trauma is that newly-selected elders are being taught by Rubel Shelly and the new Wineskinners that the elders should not think that their views are more important than the concensus opinion of the flock. Once the elders have been emasculated then they are driven on the rocks by the winds of change rather than steering a straight course.The Taliban are known as the SEEKERS. During the wars they were invited in but the 10% of the strangers took over Afghanistan. When the universities and their Thought Leaders decide that it is much easier to for a theatrical Seeker Center like that of Apollo (Abbadon, Apollyon) than to imitate Jesus and Paul and obey the evangelistic mandate. Don't be surprised that the universal law prevails: the Seekers turn your synagogue into theater for strange people believing that their well-honed "talent" replaces the Word and Christ as the One Mediator.
These wars are not breaking out: they are being provoked by a dedicated band of men whose educational experience has overrun their ability to hear the Word. And by "grouping" with denominations the effect is, like the Jubal/Genun story, we come down to the valley because of the mixed-sex choirs and instruments which are certainly better collection-plate fillers than singing the Biblical text. The worst form of proof-texting can be found in apologies for instrumental music and lying is not beyond the reach of some we know.
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Jack Reese: A lot of people are describing
this situation within many of our churches as
"worship
wars"--an
unfortunate label, I think. But, clearly, many Christians
disagree with one another on a variety of issues about what
should be done in worship. Should we encourage -- or should
we forbid -- clapping, raising hands, testimonials, lament services, choruses,
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See our notes on those who clap at Clapp.html
Maybe it takes a Phd to NOT grasp that Paul said nothing about MUSIC. He difined "glorifying God with one mind and one voice" using "that which is WRITTEN" (Rom 15), The Spirit or Word of christ (Jn 6:63) in Ephesians 5 to TEACH and "the Word of Christ" to teach and admonish in Galatians 3. The MUSIC word is never used in the Bible of spiritual worship.The battle lines are arranged by Satan himself: on the right we have singing secular songs and making harmony with the voice. On the left, we have instruments, clapping, raising hands, lament services, choruses and other forms of ritualistic ceremonial legalism.
- In Justin's Dialog with Trypho the Jew he translates Amos:
Who applaud at the sound of the musical instruments;
- they reckon them as stable, and not as fleeting.
- Who drink wine in bowls, and anoint themselves with the chief ointments,
- but they are not grieved for the affliction of Joseph.
- We do know that Jesus read the Septuagint which reads:
- who excel in the sound of musical instruments;
- they have regarded them as abiding, not as fleeting pleasure." Amos 6:5 LXX
The truth lies between the extremes and our Unity Forums and Thought Leaders don't have a clue to the fact that when God is in His Holy Temple (naos) He dwells in my spirit or mind (nous). Worship in spirit does not mean "lets's see how sexy we can make this theatrical performance without exceeding prayerful brinkmanship." The pagans always knew that as the only way to pay for temples.
However, "outside the camp" is lonely Jesus who did not prescribe any of these rituals. Worship is "in spirit" or in the mind or human spirit and not in the drug-induced high producing "fight, flight or sex." The church was ekklesia only in the sense of being an assembly. However, the function throughout the New Testament including with Jesus was not "pagan worship center" but synagogue. There was no ritualistic, pagan praise service in the synagogue. They met to read the Word and pray.
If anyone needed a musical, sexual fix everyone knew that they ran to the pagan temples where the musical prophesiers could fix you up jiffy quick. That is why all women in religious circles were known as "the harem of the gods."
By grouping hand clapping (contempt for the losers) and choirs (organic organ) with a modern version of the Overhead Projector this seems to be errecting a straw man. Never heard of anyone objecting to a TV set or computer as teaching aid. Wow! However, this would seem to put those who object to instruments and choirs in the same category as those who object to computers. And in similar articles, rejecting instruments is even compared to racism. That surely is phsychological violence. Clapping hands in the Bible and in history was the universal way to ridicule the loosers.
Both extremes have fallen for Abaddon's end-time Babylon Harlot system: women, commerce and music (Rev. 18). However, Jesus sent a coded message to His tiny group but never revealed to the multitudes so that they could catch His meaning: prayer or seeking God is "in the prayer closet" representing the "spirit." And the operative "worship" word is not SING. The word is teach or preach. The melody is in the heart because external melody, even with instruments, meant to grind people into a fine powder (sop) in order to defeat them. See the Twanging meaning of external harmony. This was the meaning of David "singing to the Gentiles." Playing instruments and "making a joyful noise before the Lord was a war chant to panic the enemy into cowardice or cringe (worship) in defeat. David played to the Gentiles with his foot upon their necks and David shed the blood OF the Gentiles. However, Jesus is Prince of Peace and He "sings in the Heart" when His Word is taught one to another. Jesus shed His blood FOR the Gentiles. See the difference?
See Dr. Rubel Shelly on Clapping Hands
Most of the superstitious "praise craze" comes out of the Vineyard movement. The explicit goal is that the New Style Music must bring on a climactic event (reaching a climax). The next logical step is called THE GIVING OF SUBSTANCE ACT OF WORSHIP.
These crazy teams claim that they are priests and "mediators between man and God." In Rubel Shelly's words the music helps "bring them into the presence of God." Praise songs are selfish and sentimental and often erotic and the teams, especially the women, don't hesitate to say that they are inviting the Holy Spirit to COME. This was always implicit and explicit among the pagan prophesiers (male or female) who were male and female prostitutes. The "musical team" was always know as "the harem of the gods."
Arnobius wrote and we ask: "Why would any of these be acceptable in the Synagogue of Christ?"
35. But is it only poets whom you have thought proper to allow to invent unseemly tales about the gods, and to turn them shamefully into sport?
What do your pantomimists, the actors, that crowd of mimics and adulterers? Do they
not abuse your gods to make to themselves gain,
and do not the others find enticing pleasures in the wrongs and insults offered to the gods?At the public games, too, the colleges of all the priests and magistrates take their places, the chief Pontiffs, and the chief priests of the curiae; the Quindecemviri take their places, crowned with wreaths of laurel,
and the flamines diales with their mitres; the augurs take their places,
who disclose the divine mind and will
and the chaste maidens also, who cherish and guard the ever-burning fire;36. But this crime is not enough: the persons of the most sacred gods are mixed up with farces also, and scurrilous plays.
And that the idle onlookers may be excited to laughter and jollity,
the deities are hit at in jocular quips, the spectators shout and rise up, the whole pit resounds with the clapping of hands and applause.
Thomas Aquinas: "It seemed to some that this argument about the allurements of music as God"s temporary device to arouse a dull and unresponsive people would apply equally against the continued use of singing in the church. This objection is considered in an anonymous work, of uncertain date,"called "Questions and Answers to the Orthodox": [Note: We believe that this is from Thomas Aquinas on LIPS and SONG. ksl]
"Question: If songs were invented by unbelievers to seduce men, but were allowed to those under the law on account of their childish state, why do those who have received the perfect teaching of grace in their churches still use songs, just like the children under the law?
"Answer: It is not simple singing that belongs to the childish state, but singing with lifeless instruments, with dancing, and with clappers. Hence the use of such instruments and the others that belong to the childish state is excluded from the singing in the churches,
and simple singing is left.
For it awakens the soul to a fervent desire for that which is described in the songs, it quiets the passions that arise from the flesh, it removes the evil thoughts that are implanted in us by invisible foes, it waters the soul to make it fruitful in the good things of God, it makes the soldiers of piety strong to endure hardships, it becomes for the pious a medicine to cure all the pains of life.
Paul calls this "the sword of the spirit," with which he arms the soldiers of piety against their unseen foes. for it is the word of God, and when it is pondered and sung and proclaimed it has the power to drive out demons."
But then there is no relationship is there? How can what we do one hour a week radically change how we think of the worldwide AIDS epidemic? Why is there such an emphasis upon AIDS ministry and no AIDS prevention? I probably cannot "save" a single AIDS victim. One might be able to point out a connection between AIDS and theatrical performance.
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Jack Reese: But, of course, in many places this is
not an issue at all.
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Again, we lump "praise services with instrumental jusic" with "meeting in homes." Is there a "navigating" or "prayerful brinkmanship" connection? We don't quite grasp it.One of the fads these days is to deny the inspiration of the Epistles. Then, when Paul speaks so clearly that 2,000 ears of scholarship cannot deny the limited role of women in the assembly we can just blank out as if Paul wasn't there. Paul still denies women speaking and non-sedentary roles because you CANNOT use women (as they say) without her flaunting AUTHENTIA authority which is both "erotic and murderous." There are NO performance roles in the synagogue and therefore what is defended is the CIRCE or holy whore of Revelation 18.
When the musical worship team tried to ASSIST Jesus, He cast them our more or less violently. He used a word which means like one ejects DUNG. It is interesting that the ancient world also associated FLUTE PLAYERS who, like all minstrels, were also prostitutes with the DUNG HEAP:
Aristotle, Athenian Constitution
L. These then are the matters administered by the Council. Also ten men are elected by lot as Restorers of Temples, who draw 30 minae1 from the Receivers and repair the temples that most require it; and ten City Controllers, [2]
five of whom hold office in Peiraeus (upper duplicate city) and five in the city;
it is they who supervise the flute-girls and harp-girls and lyre-girls to prevent their receiving fees of more than two drachmas,
and if several persons want to take the same girl these officials cast lots between them and hire her out to the winner.
And they keep watch to prevent any scavenger from depositing ordure (dung) within a mile and a quarter of the wall;
and they prevent the construction of buildings encroaching on and balconies overhanging the roads, of overhead conduits with an overflow into the road, and of windows opening outward on to the road;
and they remove for burial the bodies of persons who die on the roads, having public slaves for this service.
See Aristot. Ath. Pol. 7.3. A drachma (say 9 1/2d. or 1 franc) was a hundredth part of a mina (say 4 pounds.)
Did you know that a tiny bit of alcohol at the wrong time during pregnacy can cause fetal alcohol syndrome? The ancient Romans knew that and outlawed wine for pregnant women. The rules against leaven in bread also applied to wine. And when wine replaced blood it was poured out on the altar.
Wise choice because the priests could not drink any grape product when on duty. Is the Christian priest ever "off duty?"
Many scholars have noted that to accuse Jesus of manufacturing intoxicating wine and feeding it to a soon-to-be pregnant bride are defined by Lenski:
"Those who charge Jesus with manufacturing intoxicants are "eager to mar, if by any means they could, the image of a perfect Holiness, which offends and rebukes them." (Lenski quoting Trench)
Rubel Shelly: Wine was a common beverage in his world. He drank it. He served it. He produced well over 100 gallons of it for this event.
See Rubel Shelly at ACU: Number four: Wine Drinking focus and DIRTY PICTURES of the New Style Worship.
But Jesus said that the Jews were liars for accusing Him of being a wine drinker.
The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children. Matthew 11:19
Here is the new wineskin prophets who "prophesy of beer and wine
If a man walking in the spirit and falsehood do lie, saying, I will prophesy unto thee of wine and of strong drink; he shall even be the prophet of this people. Micah 2:11
Nataph (h5197( naw-taf'; a prim. root; to ooze, i. e. distil gradually; by impl. to fall in drops; fig. to speak by inspiration: - drop (-ping), prophesy (-et).
If a liar and deceiver comes and says, 'I will prophesy for you plenty of wine and beer,' he would be just the prophet for this people! Micah 2:11NIV
"I'll preach to you the joys of wine and drink"-that is the kind of drunken, lying prophet that you like! Micah 2:11LIV
I will surely assemble, O Jacob, all of thee; I will surely gather the remnant of Israel; I will put them together as the sheep of Bozrah, as the flock in the midst of their fold: they shall make great noise by reason of the multitude of men. Micah 2:12
Who hate the good, and love the evil; who pluck off their skin from off them, and their flesh from off their bones; Micah 3:2
Who also eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off them; and they break their bones, and chop them in pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the caldron Micah 3:3 .
And Here is what they are doing with music according to Amos 5 and 6 so that they perish for lack of the Water of the Word. And Proverbs still teach:
Give not thy strength unto women, nor thy ways to that which destroyeth kings. Prov 31:3
It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink: Prov 31:4 I
Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted. Prov 31:5
Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts (BITTER). Prov 31:6
Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more. Prov 31:7
Bitter is from the Hebrew:
Mar (h4751) mar; or (fem.) 4784 maw-raw'; from 4843; bitter (lit. or fig.); also (as noun) bitterness, or (adv.) bitterly: - / angry, bitter (-ly, -ness), chafed, discontented, * great, heavy.
Marah (h4784) maw-raw'; a prim. root; to be (caus. make) bitter (or unpleasant); (fig.) to rebel (or resist; causat. to provoke): - bitter, change, be disobedient, disobey, grievously, provocation, provoke (- ing), (be) rebel (against, -lious).
Miriam takes her name from this word for bitterness. She is considered Paul's prototypical model of Lording women.
So, the writer of Proverbs might say that the New Wine from New Wineskins is the CORE GOSPEL for the bitter and perishing. So, drink up!
If you carefully lay the ground work that to resist the winds of change is legalistic, racists, sowing discord among brethren, being sectarian and other psychologically-violent scare tactics, most people suffer in silence. But make no bones about it. While the forty-year old children are playing musical games tying to pipe and get Jesus to dance the effeminate, Dionysus chorus, the sixty-five year olds are sitting like owls on a log wondering "when will this be over so we can get outta here."
That will teach them not to give up their "one another" churches for dominant pastors educated as "doctors of the law."
It will do no good to claim: "You're another one" or "things could be worse." Martin Luther who defined "faith only" just as did Thomas Campbell wrote:
"If I profess with the loudest voice and clearest exposition every part of the truth of God except precisely that little point which the world and the devil are at the moment attacking, then I am not confessing Christ, however boldly I may be professing Him. Where the battle rages, there the loyalty of the soldier is proved; and to be steady on all battlefields besides is merely flight and disgrace if he flinches at that point." Martin Luther
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Jack Reese:
"I'm not sure
these
issues are
more substantial or more heated, say, than discussions 70
years ago over the "new music" sweeping our churches (those rambunctious
Stamps-Baxter songs with alto and bass leads). Or
whether we
should use one cup or several in our Lord's Supper services,
or whether fasting is required of all Christians.
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Some believed that these self-composed hymns violated the principle established by Jesus as the "Son" who earned that title because He spoke only what He heard from the "Father" or Authoratative Teacher. Are self-composed hymns Idols? Yes. Why? Why, because we "give attendance or heed" to the hymn, the writer and the performer: that means that we worship the hymn as idol..Some believe that "preaching Jesus" is preaching or singing Jesus. Paul modeled the Jesus principle by speaking only what He heard from Jesus of Nazareth, the Spirit Lord. Paul instructed the churches a dozen times to teach (or sing) the Word which is Spirit which is what has been delivered in person or by letter from an inspired person.
Worship is directed to the one we "give heed to." If we give heed to Fanny Crosby then we are worshiping Fanny Crosby. If we give attention to (with claims of awesomness sounding like lust) to the "team" then we are worshiping the team. That is why "in spirit" worship is in the mind or spirit and the ONLY RESOURCE is the Word of Christ.
SINGING IS NOT AN ACT OF WORSHIP. Therefore, if we sing Twila Paris then we are not worshiping in spirit because the ACT does not make the worship automatic.
Well, we do know, or don't we, that this battle involved a commercial battle between two publishers (Scribes) and has nothing to do with instrumental music. A church can be wrong about every thing that it practices but still hold the Biblical view about music as a carnal, sense stimulus. These "parallels" are always drawn to try to make the non-instrumentalist look silly. However, we should note that the music issue was fought outside of the normal "church of Christ territory."
However, Alexander Campbell also understood that "music" was not a word associated with the worship of God at any time or any place. Nope! Having the Levitical Overseers (not musicians) strum all of the harps, beat on brass, make a loud shouting sound as the priests blow 120 shophars tuned to the same note could hardly be classified with Music. When David "praised" with the harp the word means to "make self vile or to put on a show." Because David was never a spiritual person but a king we suggest that like in all of the naitons Israel imitated He was boasting.
However, when David worshiped he "sought the Lord."
For thus saith the Lord unto the house of Israel, Seek ye me, and ye shall live: Am.5:4
Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live: and so the Lord, the God of hosts, shall be with you, as ye have spoken. Amos 5:14
Darash (h1875) daw-rash'; a prim. root; prop. to tread or frequent; usually to follow (for pursuit or search); by impl. to seek or ask; spec. to worship ...
Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the Lord God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph. Amos 5:15
Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols. Amos 5:23
Dr. Rubel Shelly claims that the Exodus event is a pattern for Christian worship and community. But, we know, don't we, that the musical idolatry the Israelites "prayed" for was the musical worship of the devil under Osiris and the golden calf. This, at its heart was S.U.N. worship which is suggested can replace S.O.N. worship.
- The Exodus Pattern For Worship and Community
Rubel Shelly / John York: The Exodus Pattern for Worship and Community: Retrospective
Rubel Shelly / John York: Rising Up To Play in Musical Idolatry Made The Exodus a Failure- Praise And Thanksgiving
When Israel rose up to play they engaged in musical idolatry. For that, God "turned them over to worship the starry hosts." This was Saturn, Molech, Chiun or any one of the idols representing the "wandering stars" or planets, the sun and the moon.
LUCIFER BROUGHT Wind, String and percussion instruments to BLEED OFF worship due to God by GIVING HEED to His words to TEACH (as Paul makes clear). Throughout the Bible and other writings the MUSICAL IDOLATRY is the MARK.
Chrysostom of the Musical Idolatry at Mount Sinai:
Prior to that, he tells of "living oracles," life-giving precepts:
after it, and as its consequence, sacrifices, etc., those statutes which were not good, and ordinances by which a man shall not live, as God says by Ezekiel.
- Not a word of sacrifice till then:
- and the first mention is, of the sacrifices offered to the calf.
In like manner, "they rejoiced," "the people ate and drank, and rose up to play:" and in consequence of this,
the feasts were prescribed: kai eufrainonto, fhsin: dia touto kai eortai.-'Epishmainetai might be rendered,
"he marks," "puts a mark upon it"
(so the innovator, who substitutes, we take it passively, "there is a mark set over it-it is emphatically denoted."In the active, the verb taken intransitively means
"to betoken or announce itself," "make its first appearance."-In the Treatise adv. Judaeos, iv. §6. tom. i. 624. C.
Let us then ever obey the voice of the divine word . For the to-day signifies eternity. And day is the symbol of light; and the light of men is the Word, by whom we behold God.
Rightly, then, to those that have believed and obey, grace will superabound; while with those that have been unbelieving, and err in heart, and have not known the Lord's ways, which John commanded to make straight and to prepare, God is incensed, and those He threatens.
And, indeed, the old Hebrew wanderers in the desert received typically the end of the threatening;
for they are said not to have entered into the rest, because of unbelief,
till, having followed the successor of Moses, they learned by experience, though late, that they could not be saved otherwise than by believing on Jesus.But the Lord, in His love to man, invites all men to the knowledge of the truth, and for this end sends the Paraclete . What, then, is this knowledge? Godliness; and "godliness," according to Paul, "is profitable for all things, having the promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come. {1 Tim. iv. 8.} Arnobius, Against Heresies.
XV. A Psalm. Of Solomon. With a Song.
- 1 When I was in distress I called upon the name of the Lord,
- I hoped for the help of the God of Jacob and was saved;
- 2 For the hope and refuge of the poor art Thou, O God.
- 3 For who, O God, is strong except to give thanks unto Thee in truth?
- 4 And wherein is a man powerful except in giving thanks to Thy name?
- 5 A new psalm with song in gladness of heart,
- The fruit of the lips with the
- well-tuned instrument of the tongue,
- The firstfruits of the lips from a pious and righteous heart
- 6 He that offereth these things shall never be shaken by evil;
- The flame of fire and the wrath against the unrighteous shall not touch him,
- Of the unrighteous:
- 10 For the mark of destruction is upon their forehead.
- 11 And the inheritance of sinners is destruction and darkness,
- And their iniquities shall pursue them unto Sheol beneath.
And of the king of Babylon as an AGENT of Lucifer:
Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. Is.14:11
Contrary to what every preacher or scholar will tell you Amos was not condemning a case of everything approved but just a bad mental attitude. He was condemning "musical worship" because it took away devotion to God by giving it to the "musical team" which stands where Satan stood when, equipped with flutes and tambourines, He tried to take honor from God.But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves. Am.5:26
When the leaders refused to teach:
And the songs of the temple shall be howlings in that day, saith the Lord God: there shall be many dead bodies in every place; they shall cast them forth with silence. Am.8:3
I will turn your religious feasts into mourning and all your singing into weeping. I will make all of you wear sackcloth and shave your heads. I will make that time like mourning for an only son and the end of it like a bitter day. Am.8:10
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord: Amos 8:11
And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it. Amos 8:12
Can anyone dispute that the NEW STYLE WORSHIP of the Wimbers where the end of singing erotic praise songs is reaching a CLIMAX with God has deliberately fostered the idea of the CORE GOSPEL and the rejection of the Words of Christ through inspiration as having any value for "faith and doctrine." Throughout the pagan systems, singing "praise songs" was to make the gods "land on the team as platform." I Gnosticism the goal was always to make the Holy Spirit COME. From Source showing the sexual, voodoo roots of "revival" music.
This was what Paul commanded as "teaching" rather than singing with "music" so that the Christians would not hunger, thirst, go into captivity and die spiritually.
However, the Worship of the "Stars" with music will be the end-time Babylon Harlot religion where in all paganism "women singers were the harem of the god."
Musicologists are aware of the black, oppressed music of Voodoo and "anti-master" coded songs which had infiltrated and had a huge impact on the Second American Awakening. Until the First Awakening everyone understood the Biblical mandate to teach the Word as not remotely related to "music." However, revivalist preachers competing with one another were validated by the number of charismatic fits they could produce.
Therefore, the modern American Hymody is distinctly a blend of "folk, gospel and Voodoo."
Michael Horton writes: "I'll Do The Best That I Can" was a popular hymn written by the Stamps Quartet. In "Climbing The Stairway of Love," we read, "I now am climbing the stairway that leads to heav'n above. Each step is guided by God's great hand of love. I'm moving higher and nearer that home up in the sky, and if by faith I keep climbing I'll reach it by and by." Here are some other examples: "Higher yet and higher, out of clouds and night, nearer yet and nearer rising to the light,-Light serene and holy, where my soul may rest, purified and lowly, sanctified and blest."
They reflect the shift from Reformation categories (God, sin and grace, Christ's saving work, the Word, church, sacraments, etc.) to Romantic individualism. (translate romantic "erotic.")
We sing, "I come to the garden alone while the dew is still on the roses. And the voice I hear, singing in my ear, the voice of God is calling. And he walks with me and he talks with me, and he tells me I am his own."
Or, "He touched me." The number of 19th century hymns that talk about the objective truth of Scripture, and that which God has done outside of my personal experience,
is overwhelmed by the number of hymns that focus on my personal experience. It is my heart, not God and his saving work, that receives top billing.
If that was true of the 19th century, the 20th century only exacerbated this emphasis, and the style of the commercial Broadway musical was imitated in songs that elevated personal experience and happiness above God and his glory.
Today, the vast majority of entries in the Maranatha, Vineyard, and related praise song books (Howard Publishing) are not only burdened with this self-centered and Gnostic tendency,
but often contain outright heresy--probably not intentionally (?), but as a result of sloppy theology.
The famous "Spirit Song," written by John Wimber, reads, "Oh let the Son of God enfold you with His Spirit and His love." Now, how would that first line be rewritten in a more classical Christian vein? "Oh trust the Son of God to redeem you by His flesh and His blood." It even rhymes with the original version.
The "Inside God" is proclaimed throughout the Promise Keepers album, A Life That Shows. For example, in the song, "I Want To Be Just Like You," a father prays for his son: "Help me be a living Bible, Lord that my little boy can read..." turning from the external Word to "the self." The song then continues, "...I know that he'll learn from the things that he sees, And the Jesus he finds will be the Jesus in me."
So not only are we missing an "external Word," now we're not even left with an "external Christ.
AS Dr. Horton notes, this is pure Gnosticism.
Someone has said that "song books have less to do with proper singing than with the interest of the publishing houses." Wasn't this the same commercial interest which fired warfare over the Received Text which Erasmus hustled into print and still raging because of commercial promotion of something other than KJV.
The king of Tyre, the king of Babylon and the end-time Babylonian Whore religion creates great problems because it attempts to marry religion commerce.
The church fought the same battle over secular songs long before Alexander Campbell added them under the stimulus of the Great American Awakenings -- a charismatic mental breakdown. These were "Revivalistic" hymns because they had the magical effect honed over the years to do mind altering and even Voodoo which could be sold as "spiritual" feelings or even "dancing in the arms of Jesus."
Because there is no hint of "music" (symphony) in the early church, most people understood that "notations" had no place in "singing" because the command was to teach or preach. Chanting was not singing. And everyone knew that the command was to honor Christ by speaking His revealed Word:
"But considerable prominence was given to the hymns by the Gnostic, Bardesans, who composed a psalter of 150 psalms. However, the 59th canon of the Synod of Laodicea, 360 A. D., enjoined that 'No psalm composed by private individuals nor any uncanonical books may be read in the Church, but only... the Canonical Books of the OT and NT." Int Std Ency., p. 2494
"In competition with pagan musical art, congregational singing began to wane. Basil states that he had 'the Psalms rendered by skillful presentors after the manner of the triumphal Odes of Pindar, the congregation joining at the closing verse, with the accompaniment of lyres." Int Std Bible Ency., p. 2494A
"The McClintock and Strong Cyclopedia not only speaks, in general terms, of 'heresy largely pervading the church and making rapid headway' at that very time, but it specifies 'the appointment of singers as a distinct class of officers in the church' with 'the consequent introduction of profane music'; and why should not instrumental music have been introduced if the carnal wishes of the people called for it" (Kurfees, p. 123)
This urge to use professional art to compete with others quite naturally led to the use of professional presenters. It is important to note the earlier statement that the use of music was often in the professionals.
"Psalmody thus came to be increasingly the monopoly of trained singers, and the 15th canon of the Council of Laodicea, 360 AD, proscribed that 'no others shall sing in the church save only the canonical singers...who go up into the ambo and sing with a book." (Int Std Bible Ency, Psalms, p. 2494a)
So, it won't do much good to try to pin every "besetting sin" on some ole Restoration Movement leader. They didn't invent these divisive issues, you know. How oh how are our doctors of the law gonna know anything from nothing?
So those who remain faithful to churches of Christ (needing more restoring) should not be put off. What we believe about music is the almost universal view. And our view of "command, example and inference" is well established by direct command in the Bible and acknowledged by most historical theologians.
Nevertheless, most of the historical practices of churches of Christ are billed as latter-day and out of touch with Scripture and history is less than the truth (on my charitable days). Click to see what God and men said long before Alexander Campbell.
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Jack Reese: I don't believe our concerns compare to
16th-century debates over the nature and purpose of the
Supper (arguments which, in some cases, actually
led to bloodshed). Now those were worship wars! Or medieval
discussions on the meaning of eucharistic sacrifice. Or, certainly, the
strong differences among Jewish and Gentile Christians at
first-century Ephesus or Rome.
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Goody: AIDS is not nearly the problem they had back with the black death! However, the deliberate sowing of discord may be MORE violent. The boast of ACU's Osburn proves that the AGENDA is to train PROPHETS, CHANELLERS, AND FACILITATORS to go out and MANAGE the change. But the CHANGE is as new as Babylon. The THEATRICAL and MUSICAL industry boasts about INFILTRATING and DIVERTING churches into "theaters for holy entertainment.""You never had it so good. If you had been my age you would have gotten up before dark, milked two cows, walked two miles to get to the school buss, drive fourteen miles and done it all over again in the evening." Ever heard that? The fact is that we do not live in the 16th century. So, why try to make music which has always been divisive seem trivial? It won't go away, you know.
Martin Luther would remind us that this is not the raging battle of the moment. And to try to move the troops away from the point of imminent battle will not work. We just have to keep our hands on the ball and our eyes on the prize and not be withdrawn from the battlefield.
When people turn their blood, sweat, prayers and tears into building a congregation and building only to have it stolen by the New Vine Skins, are the new Jubals or Rubels actually shedding the blood of the people who went before?