Vineyard - New Wineskins Effeminate Worship Dionysus or Bacchus was the God of new wine from New Wineskins. The Abomination of Desolation in the Intertestament Period introduced the Gymnasium and the homosexual worship of Zeus or Dionysus. The clergy also hoped that John wore the SOFT clothing of the king's catamite or male homosexual. Jesus identified them as PIPING hoping to get Jesus into the homosexual singing and dancing of the New Wineskins "god." The Judas Bag is defined and pictured in Greek literature and art as for "carrying the mouthpieces of wind instruments." The little box on the spotted flute case is the Judas Bag. These homosexual gods were the fathers of "musical harmony, twanging bowstrings or harp strings, thieves and liars." The Jewish clergy HOPED that Jesus would join them in all of their boyhood games as the "piped" hoping that he was the God of Wine and therefore the "god" who filled the new wineskin.Vineyard New Wineskin Worship
See Charismatic and Homosexual connection among the Greeks
Effeminization of Church and Christianity
Music and Effeminate WorshipSee how MUSICAL and CHARISMATIC points directly to the THRESKIA form of worship originated by Orpheus and other perverted "gods." Words like CANTUS and MUSICA are related to EXEGESIS or being a SORCERER like Hermes as the Interpreter of the gods. These words are quite similar to the sorcerers and mantic or mad prophesiers who used drugs and music. All are directed to creating a sense of PANIC in the worshipers to force them into "giving of means" as the Vineyard Mother has envisioned. Rubel Shelly believes that John got the idea of LOGOS from philosophers. However, this is a translation of the Hebrew Dabar which is the personified WORD of God. This undoubtedly gives him the authority to PARTNER with God to get a new set of inspired Scriptures. He and the postmodern madness believes that because subatomic particles (very small) cannot be measured without moving them to a new location that the BIBLE has been shot out of sight and because we have evolved we can not longer read the Word. However, unlawful preachers CAN get a new vision but for a price--always for a price. Like the Pope, the postmoderns deny the individual the right to read, interpret and speak the word outside of the community church or COMMUNE patterned, says Rubel Shelly, after the Wilderness Wandering.
"The exhilarating possibility is that the human race will finally undergo a kind of spiritual transformation during which we will forsake all the old social institutions and attitudes that have evolved during the past several thousand years based on the principle of competition,
and replace them with an entirely new social arrangement based on the principle of cooperation, resulting ultimately in the coalescence of more than five billion individual humans into a single collective social organism.
We can expect, however, that such a harmonious coalescence would produce a dramatic blossoming of the human spirit, a spectacular display of human creativity, and a miraculous metamorphosis (Second Incarnation)
that would lift the human race onto another and higher plane of existence, a spiritual and physical transformation that would surely qualify as an extraordinary event along this planet's evolutionary path."
Rubel Shelly and John York: Just as identity in Christ is always COMMUNITY identity,
our reading of Scripture becomes a COMMUNITY READING as well.
While we still have access to reading as individuals,
we stop asking, "What does this mean to me?"--as though there is such an isolated meaning. Instead we have a GROUP MENTALITY that asks, "What does this mean to US?"
> Alexander Campbell responds to the letter from Mr. G about using instruments like the worshipers of Mars:
The argument drawn from the Psalms in favor of instrumental music, is exceedingly apposite to the Roman Catholic, English Protestant, and Scotch Presbyterian churches, and even to the Methodist communities.Their churches having all the world in them--that is, all the fleshly progeny of all the communicants, and
being founded on the Jewish pattern of things--baptism being given to all born into the world of these politico-ecclesiastic communities--
I wonder not, then, that an organ, a fiddle, or a Jews-harp, should be requisite to stir up their carnal hearts, and work into ecstasy their animal souls,
else "hosannahs languish on their tongues, and their devotions die."
And that all persons who have no spiritual discernment, taste, or relish for their spiritual meditations, consolations and sympathies of renewed hearts, should call for such aid, is but natural.Pure water from the flinty rock has no attractions for the mere toper or wine-bibber. A little alcohol, or genuine Cognac brandy, or good old Madeira, is essential to the beverage to make it truly refreshing.
So to those who have no real devotion or spirituality in them, and whose animal nature flags under the oppression of church service, I think with Mr. G., that instrumental music would be not only a desideratum, but an essential prerequisite to fire up their souls to even animal devotion.
But I presume, to all spiritually-minded Christians, such aids would be as a cow bell in a concert.
> 28 Jesus said, "I took my stand in the midst of the world, and in flesh I appeared to them.
- I found them all drunk,
- and I did not find any of them thirsty.
- My soul ached for the children of humanity,
- because they are blind in their hearts and do not see,
- for they came into the world empty,
- and they also seek to depart from the world empty.
But meanwhile they are drunk. When they shake off their wine, then they will change their ways."
49 Jesus said,
- "Congratulations to those who are alone and chosen,
- for you will find the kingdom.
- For you have come from it,
- and you will return there again."
> Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, till wine inflame them Isaiah 5:11
And the harp, and the viol, the tabret, and pipe, and wine, are in their feasts: but they regard not the work of the Lord, neither consider the operation of his hands. Isaiah 5: 12
Therefore my people are gone into captivity, because they have no knowledge: and their honourable men are famished, and their multitude dried up with thirst. Isaiah 5: 13
Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it. Isaiah 5: 14
Thy pomp is brought down to the grave (Sheol), and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms (maggots) cover thee. Isa 14:11
This is the original Babylon king/queen who will rise again as the Babylon Harlot religion and again her musicians and instruments will go into hell with her (Rev. 18)
Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the Lord of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel. Isaiah 5: 24
> Say to them: 'This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Every wineskin should be filled with wine.' And if they say to you, 'Don't we know that every wineskin should be filled with wine?' Jer 13:12
then tell them, 'This is what the LORD says: I am going to fill with drunkenness all who live in this land, including the kings who sit on David's throne, the priests, the prophets and all those living in Jerusalem. Jer 13:13
I will smash them one against the other, fathers and sons alike, declares the LORD. I will allow no pity or mercy or compassion to keep me from destroying them.'" Jer 13:14
> Our author (On the Book of Jubilees) concludes that the inventor of the Jubilee theory was "unquestionably a Pharisee of the strictest sect." Click for more Wineskins stuff
God always repudiated the WINESKINS image as related to homosexuality:
The Words of Jesus: For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. Hab 2:14
The Warning to the WineSkinners: Woe to him who gives drink to his neighbors, pouring it from the wineskin till they are drunk, so that he can gaze on their naked bodies. Hab 2:15
You will be filled with shame instead of glory. Now it is your turn! Drink and be exposed ! The cup from the Lord's right hand is coming around to you, and disgrace will cover your glory. Hab 2:16
A second angel followed and said, "Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great, which made all the nations drink the maddening wine of her adulteries." Rev 14:8
In a short speech at ACU Rubel Shelly used wine in a favorable sense about 10 times. The new creed is that that the church's position against drinking intoxicants would HAVE TO CHANGE to accommodate those who drink even in the fellowship hall. His misuse of the parable of wineskins shows total disregard for the Word of God. Jesus spoke parables to "fool the fools" according to Matthew 13. See how Carrol D. Osburn of ACU plans to train Prophets, Channelers and Facilitators to go out and destroy the group which pays him.Along with "baptizing Santa" is Rubel Shelly's suggestion that we think of the S.U.N. god to understand Jesus the S.O.N. God. Along with Max Lucado's Cosmic Christmas, the worship of Dionysus or the god of the new wineskins comes as no surprize. The "sun" god came to be represented by Apollo (Abaddon, Apollyon) and his Seeker Center at Delphi where he NAVIGATED THE WINDS OF CHANGE to seduce "ministers" to serve his mega-church. The sun was also represented by Saturn whose Chaldee number is 666.
The New Wineskins is just a take off of the Vineyard movement trying to hasten the Shelly "now but not yet kingdom" and aid Jesus.
However, the VINEYARD concept promotes a SEXUAL CLIMAX with God produced by charismatic music. At the same time, Rubel Shelly and the Jubilee movement promotes the New Wineskin to define the gospel and kingdom. Along with the universal association between religious musicians and homosexuality in all pagan religions and in Judaism and in Christianity, this is prophetic of the Babylon Whore worship with music (a team of 9 Muses under Apollo or Satan) at the end times.
First, we should say that ALL ancient religions were charismatic and sexual in faith and practice. This included most of the Jews for most of the Old Testament period.
Second, the SYNAGOGUE among the Jews was not a pagan worship center: it was a school of the Bible and it existed throughout the Old Testament under various names. Musical instruments and "making a joyful noise" was outlawed for the ASSEMBLY (Num 10:7) because assembly was for instructions.
Third, the Law was "added because of transgression" which was "rising up to play" in the musical idolatry of Egypt.
Fourth, the Christian Assembly (not church honoring the holy whore "Kirke") was also a school of the Bible. There is no command to SING OR MAKE MUSIC. The direct command is to TEACH or PREACH with "that which is written" and leave the "singing" (a secular practice) and the "melody" (meaning to grind you into dust like the SOP Jesus fed Jesus) IN THE HEART. That means in the human SPIRIT which is the ONLY place Jesus said that God would be seeking us.
Fifth, the NEW WINESKINS is a pagan theory for enhancing pagan worship: it is unChristian, Anti-Christian and is not similar to the church.
The church is not for "worshipers" in ritual but for DISCIPLESHIP. The only resource is the WORD OF CHRIST or "that which is written." Therefore, the WORD or teachings of Jesus do not GO OUT OF DATE and do not need simpletons trying to MODERNIZE them.
Therefore, the WINESKINS CREED has only ancient pagan homosexual religion of fertility rituals to recommend it.
Who is this god of NEW WINESKINS containing WINE as the PATTERN to replace Lord Jesus Christ who never made nor consumed intoxicants?
"Dionysus is the wine-god, and thus should be a pleasant fellow, a benefactor. But wine has both positive and negative aspects. It makes people drunk, causes them to behave in strange ways. The Greeks were well aware of the dual natures of wine, mirrored by the dual nature of its god.... He betrays a dual nature: being bright, joyous, and vital for life,
while also having a side that is dark, mysterious and deadly.
"The adored wife of the fallen Hector, is taken as a concubine by the authentes, who can command her domestic and sexual services. The word also occurs in a homosexual sense in a speech by Theseus, king of Athens, where love of young boys was considered a virtue rather than a vice." (Charles Trombly, Who Said Women Can't Teach, p. 174)
"dionysus's worship is thus established by the simple means of killing the opposition. It has been suggested that every tragic hero who suffers and dies on stage at the Dionysia, the great dramatic festival at Athens (of the South?), is in fact dionysus himself, being killed."
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority (authenteo) over the man, but to be in silence.1Ti.2:12
All "non-sedentary" or silent participation by women exercises the authority condemned by Paul. This sexual authority with the Catholic A Cappella or castrated "musical worship" solved the problem of a male priesthood but with a homosexual, feminine style of worship called "MUSIC."
In every Greek city the god Dionysus was worshipped by fraternities and sororities and also by mixed communities. Dionysus was a god of fruitfulness and vegetation but especially of wine. The Dionysiac festivals provided an opportunity for stepping outside of the daily routine. The festivals included not only drinking wine and engaging in sexual activity but also participating in such significant features of Greek civilization as choral singing and mimes. In many cases, only the initiated could participate in the ceremonies. As almost every Greek did join in, initiation into the Dionysiac cult might be compared to tribal initiations. It seems that initiation into the Dionysiac Mysteries was accompanied by initiation into sexual life. The act of producing offspring, however, could never be wholly separated from the thought of death, so that the worshippers of Dionysus were aware of a mystic communion among the ancestors, the living generation, and the future members of the community. Britannica Members
The Original Tribal People TYPIFIED by Cain and Abel:
The story of Cain and Abel--which Jesus identified as hiding truth from those who did not love truth (Mtt 13)--is the story of the AGRICULTURISTS who engaged in musical, sexual and homosexual rituals or fertility rites. The children of Seth as a HERDING society did not worship with sexuality and music.
There was never any RELIGIOUS RITUALS for the Hebrew people until they "fired" God and demanded a king so that they could worship LIKE THE NATIONS. Only the king and civil-religious clergy participated in the temple rituals.
This was to guard against the fact that group gatherings (which Jesus would not call according to prophecy) always degenerate into the surfacing of sexual attractions. In religion this was most common as a man to man attraction.
This also prohibited a return to the worship practiced by CAIN who WAS OF the evil one or a son of Satan:
"In this fashion evey common tribal interest--the recurrence of the seasons, the increase of the food supply, successful hunting--was likely to become embodied
in some regularly repeated ceremony, which usually included group dancing, singing, and feasting.
Besides enabling men to express, and thereby to allay, anger and anxiety, such ceremonies also promoted tribal unity and strengthened the loyalty of the individual to tribal traditions,
for the emotional excitement they aroused had the effect of breaking down the barriers between individuals
and thus fusing all tribesmen into a collective whole. Meanwhile, whole systems of magical devices were gradually elaborated." (Parkes, p. 29)
"Awed by the mysteries of his own spirit no less than by those of nature, primitive man was likely to attribute to divine influence
any abnormal emotional state, whether above or below the usual level. Medicine men customarily went into states of trance in which they were believed to be in communication with the gods,
and many tribes supposed lunatics and sexual deviants to be divinely possessed.
'Certain members of a tribe, marked out either by unusual skills or by some emotional abnormality, ususally became particularly adept at these operations, and gradually assumed specialized functions. Released from the duty of hunting, and concentrating on the practice of magic, the shaman, sorcerer, or medicine man was the world's first professional." (H. Bamfort Parkes, Of Gods and Men, p. 29).
The Cainites or Kenites or Canaan represent the survival of sexual fertility rites where WINE and MUSIC encouraged the sexual and homosexual rituals. The Kenites even found their way into the Temple as the SINGING PROSTITUTES and INSTRUMENTAL SODOMITES plagued or polluted the temple grounds.
The Garden of Eden:
The SERPENT in the garden of Eden was Lucifer who is also ZOE. Lucifer or ZOE was known as the BEAST and "the female instructing principle." Many older scholars reading the Bible in its original language concluded that the primary WEAPON was musical performance and the primary RESULT was SODOMY. This was prophesied to TRIUMPH over Jesus and is the end time "worship" of the "Holy Whore" whose name in Greek was KIRK or "church." Serpent in the original languages was not a snake but a Musical Enchanter who hissed and muttered and claimed that the sounds from his musical instrument was the "gods" living inside.
As the king/queen of Tyre, Lucifer or Zoe is called "the harp- playing prostitute." As the king/queen of Babylon Lucifer/Zoe would go into Sheol along with his/her musicians and their instruments.
The IMAGE of this New Wineskins Religion is the end-time domination of homosexuals as Theatrical and Musical performers claiming to lead the worshipers into the presence of God. All pagan gods were homosexual and all musical worship of the "gods" was BY homosexual priests. Continuing into "christianity" all priesthoods are still recognized as homosexual. As with Jezebel, homosexuality "bound the physical and spiritual together."
2 Maccabees 6: Click to see the history of the GYMNASIUM and HOMOSEXUAL worship of the god of the New Wineskins.
1 - Not long after this, the king sent an Athenian senator to compel the Jews to forsake the laws of their fathers and cease to live by the laws of God,
2 - and also to pollute the temple
> in Jerusalem and call it the temple of Olympian Zeus,
> and to call the one in Gerizim the temple of Zeus the Friend of Strangers, as did the people who dwelt in that place."But when it is known that "Zeus the Saviour" was only a title of Dionysus, the "sin-bearing Bacchus," his character, as "The Saviour," appears in quite a different light. In Egypt, the Chaldean god was held up as the great object of love and adoration, as the god through whom "goodness and truth were revealed to mankind." He was regarded as the predestined heir of all things; and, on the day of his birth, it was believed that a voice was heard to proclaim, "The Lord of all the earth is born." In this character he was styled "King of kings, and Lord of lords," it being as a professed representative of this hero-god that the celebrated Sesostris caused this very title to be added to his name on the monuments which he erected to perpetuate the fame of his victories. Hislop Hislop shows how this fits seeing the S.U.N. god to think of the S.O.N. God as Rubel Shelly recommends. And as seen in Cosmic Christmas which is the worship of Shamash.
The scoffer Lucian pours out his sarcasm in a passage in which he speaks of the fraudulent prophet Alexander of Abonouteichos, who kept choir boys in the service of the gods with him just as Platonic Love is the love of a mature man for a boy. This also shows the true meaning of A Cappella:
"To all others he forbade pederasty (Platonic love of a man for a boy) as shameful. In order not to admit his own guilt in this matter, however, the admirable fellow devised the following scheme: he proposed to the cities in Paphlagonia and Pontus that every three years they should send him choir boys who would sing hymns of praise with him to the god. Moreover, only the noblest, fairest and most charming boys were to be sent -- after a previous careful examination. These he confined with himself, slept with and abused with every possible lechery. (Lucian, Alexander, 41.247}
Choirs were used because "Thus they led the simple into error and
sought to bewitch the ears of lay people, who are easily led astray by hymns and melodies."The New Wineskin heresy, Jubilee 99, the Vineyard Movement, the Zoe Movement, and other God-Aiding movements look dangerously close to ancient, effeminate Dionysus worship and a restoration of Gnosticism.
Wine in new wineskins is a magical symbol of spirit in many ancient religions. Instrumental and vocal music was used as an artificial means of intoxication or to enhance the wine. The exhilarating effect of wine led worshipers to believe that they had contacted their gods--for a price. Wine is now used as the same mystical code to identify worship as an emotional experience of coming into the presence of God. New wine without a new wineskin would be useless. Therefore, the "skin" parable is taken from the mouth of Jesus Who wasn't quite "ready for prime time."
"The church has not always been so effeminate, but since church history is so undervalued today among Christians few would know it. There really is no wonder that in our day Christianity has become a life-boat religion - women and children first. It was really quite logical, therefore, for the synod to vote to admit women into the priesthood last November. It was only formalising what had been a reality for many years.
"It is the calling and work of the church to raise culture and society out of paganism, to bring our society truly up to date, that is to say up to the standard that God's word has set, which is at the end of the day the only fashion that matters.
In our day this means fighting battles again that were fought and won by a more faithful church of preceding ages only for a later generation of churchmen to hand over their hard won gains to the humanists on a plate.
As part of this process we must return to the biblical pattern of church order and ministry, and this means that women should not be permitted to teach or exercise authority over men in the church. It means also that ministers and elders should be required to think and act like men and abandon the effeminate theology that has characterised the Christian ministry for far too long. Resource.
Without the urge to attack people for their beliefs, this and all fragments present some of the Biblical and historical evidence to show what people thought in the past when wine, women and song became the dominant theme of the church replacing a quiet study of Christ's Word.
We will look at some evidence that in worship masculine (male or female) worship is devoted to the study of the Word while effeminate worship is interested in art: singing, dancing playing instrumental music.
Without intending to, it is possible that adopting ancient efforts to develop "fertility" in the church to fill the pews, we will invite wine to our meetings but he will bring along other "spirits."
"But let there be, as you wish, honour in wine and in incense, let the anger and displeasure of the deities be appeased by the immolation and slaughter of victims:
are the gods moved by garlands also, wreaths and flowers,
by the jingling of brass also, and the shaking of cymbals, by timbrels also, and also by symphonious pipes? (footnote: trumpets and pipes)What effect has the clattering of castanets, that when the deities have heard them,
they think that honor has been shown to them and lay aside their fiery spirit of resentment in forgetfulness?
Or, as little boys are frightened by giving over their silly wailings by hearing the sound of rattles, are the almighty deities also soothed in the same way by the whistling of pipes?
And do they become mild, is their indignation softened at the musical sound of cymbals?'What is the meaning of those calls which you sing in the morning, joining your voice to the music of the pipe.
"Do the gods of heaven fall asleep, so that they should return to their posts? What is the meaning of those slumbers to which you commend them with auspicious salutations that they may be in good health? Are they awakened from sleep; and that they may be able to overcome by it, must soothing lullabies be heard?" (Arnobius Against the Heathen, Ante-Nicene Fathers, VI, p. 530-531)
The Satanic Origin of the Wineskin Creed:
Wine and wineskins have always been what Joseph Campbell called "affect images." That is, the image within itself has mystical power over the immature. Wine has always been a false symbol of religion where spirit came out of a wineskin:
"Many kinds of drugs cause a change in consciousness and the most popular, and with some people the most respectable, is alcohol.
Alcohol fairly quickly produces a feeling of confidence, expansion and enlightenment. William James said that its popularity was due to 'its power to stimulate the mystical faculties of human nature,'... Any driver knows that the effect of alcohol is to produce an unreasoning over-confidence, the cause of many accidents,
and this would be dangerous ground on which to base a theory of mysticism." (Parrinder, p. 176).
The mystical message of the wineskin is that it must be opened or the walls broken down so that all religious groups who cannot "see eye to eye can walk hand in hand." However, the entire Bible was written to wean God's people away from the pervasive, majority view of religion as natural and therefore had as its gods "wine, women and song."
"Today we tend to value tolerance so highly that we sometimes advocate indifference toward competing religious loyalties. We are likely to sympathize with Solomon's cosmopolitanism, or even with the compromising attitude of Ahab's generation, who hopped back and forth between opposing views. But, as we have seen, Israel's prophets attacked the tolerant syncretism of the time and insisted on a fierce devotion to Yahweh.
It has been rightly observed that 'intolerance in religion was not a characteristic of ancient peoples, and was only introduced into Israel by the prophets.'
The flame of their conviction was kindled at the ancient sources of Mosaic faith, and burst forth like a consuming fire
at a time when the nation was in danger of being engulfed by Canaanite culture." (Anderson, Bernard, Understanding the Old Testament, p. 259).
That means a hostile takeover of homosexuality proven by "musical praise teams" or any charismatic speaking out of one's own CREATIVE skills.
The only way to get a new wineskin is to slaughter a billy goat or a lamb. Christ came to free the world of empty wineskins and put His gospel in "ceremonially pure vessels of clay." How, then, do tens of thousands want us to empty the "new man" created at and through water and fill s/he with new wine?
Yet, Shelly and Harris insist that we must turn into freshly-slaughtered billy goat skins:
Rubel Shelly /Harris: "Change and newness did not end with his arrival. The wine is still fermenting. Tired forms will not work with an exuberant message. The deep ruts of customary practice are not adequate to be a highway of holiness. The gospel he left to inform and empower his church is 'a new and living way'." (Second Incarnation, p. 11).
If you will check, you will find that wine is not the way to get on the highway of holiness or even to Nashville. The BOOK OF JUBILEES taught that the kingdom began BEFORE Christ came as Jesus. The meaning of JUBILEE is that you must attend it FOR THE ATONEMENT. Therefore, using the pre-Christian Jubilee concept DENIES the finished work of Jesus Christ.
The Shelly CORE GOSPEL then claims that the work of Christ was not even finished by Christ. The LATTER REIGN believes that the church has to AID Jesus in finishing His work. For instance, MUSICAL PRAISE TEAMS are one of the world's oldest superstitions: the belief that the singers and musicians must PROP up the gods to keep them from failure.
Exuberant means "high-spirited, brash, passionate, effervescent, vivacious, enthusiastic." Enthusiasm never meant Christ-God within. It was invented by Philo to mean "en thus o mania" or filled with the god of wine who brings madness. This was one of the "diversities" at Corinth with which Paul absolutely did not unite. Nevertheless,
Rubel Shelly /Harris: "We must offer ourselves as fresh, flexible wineskins to Christ daily."
"The tired, uninspiring event called worship in our churches must give way to an exhilarating experience of God that simultaneously exhibits and nurtures life in the worshipers." (Rubel Shelly - Randy Harris, Second Incarnation, p. 12-13)
Jesus put His Word into EARTHEN VESSELS. These were CEREMONIALLY PURE. Therefore, if you put JUICE in them and seal them they do not FERMENT. Ferment is the universal Biblical SYMBOL of EVIL and God pouring out His Wrath from the Wine Vat. It is outrageous to suggest that humans are containers of the STILL FERMENTING Word of God.
I'll bet that when the Holy Spirit revealed the "water of the Word" as a way to nurture life in the worshipers He didn't know about Jubilee 98 and new wineskins. Huh?
Rubel Shelly /Harris: Changeless divine truth is thus enmeshed in the ever-changing vehicle of human language. Perfect and eternal wisdom is wrapped up in the inferior medium of historical disclosure." (Rubel Shelly - Randy Harris, Second IncarnationP. 23).
I have the queezy feeling that everything I see in print is attached to history. The history Paul warns against is wineskins right there in Corinth (chapter 10) when they should be listening instead of trying to arouse or instruct God. Here, and in Romans Ten he connects their destructive worship (11:17f) to the wilderness worship of Apis which included singing, clapping, dancing, instrumental music and breaking down the sexual walls sexually.
Enmeshed means: "entrapped, snared or captured." How, then, can anyone hope to untangle God's "mess?"
Rubel Shelly /Harris: The wine is the bubbling, churning gospel. It is the ever- arriving- yet- never- fully- realized- on- Earth kingdom of God. It is the powerful presence of the Spirit of God among believers. The wineskins are the points of contact between the wine and culture. They are the forms and programs we maintain, the organizations and institutions, or the patterns and procedures... (Second Incarnation, p. 11).
I'll bet that surprises Jesus. Maybe Jesus and Shelly - Harris just have different views of the kingdom: one is the quiet kingdom "outside the gates" and others want a Dionysus-like proof that we have captured Christ and put Him in our bottle.
Why Does Theology Fly in the Face of Scripture
Common sense, history, the Highway Patrol and Harry Golden know that it would be outrageous to build a religion inside a wineskin:
- but I know, in all honesty, that I cannot write a single half-page, doubled-spaced, on the value of alcohol as a beverage" (Harry Golden, You're Entitle').
Wine, Music and the Feminization of MenThe masculine journey and the new moves on the Biblical pattern for the church are identified by many as an effort to fulfill Isaiah's prophecy that "women and children rule over you." We should be careful about the symbols or affect images we adopt and follow as the new pattern for the church. While being ignorant of the Bible and common sense it is easy to bring the entire church into question.
For instance, in the book, You Are What You Drink Allan Luks and Joseph Barbato note that wine causes the feminization of men similar to "birth-defects gospel" of Dionysus-
"In many cultures, it is considered manly to drink... How odd, then to realize that alcohol has the power to literally give a man female characteristics." (Luks, You Are What You Drink, p. 109).
This is exactly the message of the Dionysus system of wineskin worship. On page 110 Luks notes that in-
"some drinkers feminization may result not from their own alcohol use but rather from drinking that their mothers did during pregnancy."
"A Polish study reported a 32 percent reduction in the concentration of the spermatozoa of men whose drinking was 'moderate--infrequent' (they drank one to three times a month), and a 56 percent drop in 'regular' drinkers (three to four times a week)." (Luks, p. 111-112).
Why would God use FERMENTING WINE as a pattern for the gospel and kingdom? Was God not as smart as modern medical science? So says the NEW WINESKINS religion as old as the Towers of Babylon.
Throughout the literature, drunkeness is brought on by pagan worship rituals aided by music. Therefore, a common theme is a loss of masculinity through the worship which focused upon wine-like exhilaration caused by music, dance and drama. Plato worried that there might some gender leakage in musical ceremonies when the men imitated women.
Modern male bonding is also questionable because it is often built on the basis of "Platonic love." However, Platonic love was love for boys by men even when the "bonded" men admired from a distance and didn't always consummate their love in an external, sexual way. It was observed that:
"all those creatures generated as men who proved themselves cowardly and spent their lives in wrong doing were transformed, at their second incarnation, into women." (Timaeus, 90)
Or: Of the men who came into the world, those who were cowards or led unrighteous lives may with reason be supposed to have changed into the nature of women in the second generation.
Sexual deviation was often connected with the musical, charismatic prophesiers when men took over the role from women. However, any kind of sexual "buzz" was believed to be proof that one had been brought "into the presence of the god." At any rate, those who are still chaining the Bible to the pulpit with a human chain of "buddy binding" can sell this watered wine to fools who, in the imagery of Paul, love to be fooled. The Musical Worship Facilitator cannot move you "into the presence of God" without moving you out of your head:
"Philo "developed a doctrine of ecstasy or ek-stasis, which means standing outside oneself.' This is the highest form of piety which lies beyond faith. This mysticism unites prophetic ecstasy (prophesying as in Corinth) with 'enthusiasm', a word which comes from en-theos-mania, meaning to possess the divine. From this there comes finally the fully developed mystical system of the Neo-Platonists, for example, of Dionysus the Areopagite. In this mystical system the ecstasy of the individual person leads to a union with the One, with the Absolute, with God." (Tillich, Paul, A History of Christian Thought, Touchstone, p. 13).
We repeat the Rubel Shelly / Randy Harris New Wineskin pattern which isn't new:
Rubel Shelly /Harris: "The tired, uninspiring event called worship in our churches must give way to an exhilarating experience of God that simultaneously exhibits and nurtures life in the worshipers." (Rubel Shelly - Randy Harris, Second Incarnation, p. 12-13)
And commenting on the surge of new movements looking for something exciting, MacArthur wrote:
"But perhaps nothing was more characteristic of the mystery religions than what they called ecstasy. Believers in the mystery religions sought to cultivate a magical, sensuous communion with the divine. They would do almost anything to get themselves into a semiconscious, hallucinatory, hypnotic, or orgiastic spell in which they believed they were sensually in contact with deity.
"Some used wine to assist in the euphoric experience, as Paul implied in Ephesians 5:18.
"Whether from literal intoxication or emotional exhilaration, when worshipers fell into a state of euphoria, it was as if they had been drugged. They assumed they were in contact (knowing personally kls) with God. (MacArthur, John, Charismatic Chaos, p. 164. Zondervan)
Mantikê, Mania [mainomai] ) madness, sphodra hêdonê katechousa
II. enthusiasm, inspired frenzy, m. Dionusou para E.Ba.305 ; apo Mousôn katokôchê te kai m. Pl.Phdr. 245a ; theia m.,
Plato Phaedrus. [245a] ills is found. And a third kind of possession and madness comes from the Muses. This takes hold upon a gentle and pure soul, arouses it and inspires it to songs and other poetry, and thus by adorning countless deeds of the ancients educates later generations. But he who without the divine madness comes to the doors of the Muses, confident that he will be a good poet by art, meets with no success, and the poetry of the sane man vanishes into nothingness before that of the inspired madmen.Erôt-ikos A. of or caused by love, . melos a love song, melos B. esp. musical member, phrase: hence, song, 3. melody of an instrument Apollo's Harp
Katokôch-ê possesion, II. being possessed, inspiration, Pl.Ion536c,OPPOSITE sôphrosunê anthrôpinê meaning having control over the sensual desires, temperate, self-controlled, moderate, chaste, sober,
Homer Ion [536c] and you have plenty to say: for it is not by art or knowledge about Homer that you say what you say, but by divine dispensation and possession; just as the Corybantian worshippers are keenly sensible of that strain alone which belongs to the god whose possession is on them, and have plenty of gestures and phrases for that tune, but do not heed any other. And so you, Ion, when the subject of Homer is mentioned, have plenty to say, but nothing on any of the others. And when you ask me the reason
Plato Phaedrus. [245a] ills is found. And a third kind of possession and madness comes from the Muses. This takes hold upon a gentle and pure soul, arouses it and inspires it to songs and other poetry, and thus by adorning countless deeds of the ancients educates later generations. But he who without the divine madness comes to the doors of the Muses, confident that he will be a good poet by art, meets with no success, and the poetry of the sane man vanishes into nothingness before that of the inspired madmen.
2. moderation in sensual desires, selfcontrol, temperance
Therefore, when God sent His wrath as a sign to confirm unbelief (Isa 28 explained in 1Cor. 14) it was in the form of men and women speaking and singing out of their own spirit or mind with instrumental music.
The VINEYARD and the NEW WINESKINS are quite Identical
> "During the erotic dance ritual, the priestess would actually become the Goddess in all Her glory. According to the ancient texts, during the erotic dance ritual the priestesses would achieve visionary orgasm in which great truths were revealed.
"Het Heret was the over-arching sky cow Goddess, associated with fertility and bounty and plenty. Married couples would go to the temples of Het Heret for fertility rites that would hopefully lead to a successful pregnancy. The temples were filled with sweet smelling incense.
Typically sweets and red beer or golden ale would flow freely.
The priestesses of Het Heret would dance to the rhythms of live drumming. (hand clapping)When the couples were sufficiently aroused, they would engage in sexual intercourse on comfortable pillows.This defines the charismatic prophesying by uncovered women in Corinth. Rubel Shelly and the group sees this as a PATTERNISM for "unity in diversity."
> "In the Vineyard we see five basic phases of worship, phases through which leaders attempt to lead the congregation.... as we pass through these phases we are headed toward one goal:
intimacy with God."....
The fourth phase is described as "God Visits His People when "Expression then moves to a zenith, a climactic point, not unlike physical lovemaking... We have expressed what is in our hearts and minds and bodies, and now it is time to wait for God to respond.
Stop talking and wait for Him to speak, to move. I call this, the fourth phase, visitation:"
The fifth phase is called "Generosity "The fifth phase of worship is the giving of substance. The church knows so little about giving, yet the Bible exhorts us to give to God. it is pathetic to see people preparing for ministry who don't know how to give. That is like an athlete entering a race, yet he doesn't know how to run. If we haven't learned to give money, we haven't learned anything... " From Source
In Ephesians four this was seen in God making fools out of stand up comedians or what the Greek defines as "buffoons." This was Paul's warning against the prophesying, usually by women or effeminate men, as an attempt to pay for their own sins or resurrect the estranged God:
"Apollo at Delphi had to pay for the guilt of slaying the powers of the underworld which have their own rights. Then there are the methods of introduction through psychological means. Intoxication is brought about
by a change of light and darkness, by ascetic fasting, by incense, sounds, music, etc." (Tillich, Paul, A History of Christian Thought, Touchstone, p. 14).
Remember that Apollo founded his own SEEKER CENTER at Delphi. He is Abaddon or Apollyon in the book of Revelation and the MUSICIANS who will ultimately be silenced are Apollo's 9 MUSES who also play instruments (Rev. 18)
While we all love instrumental music, these people believed that the musically-stimulated feelings were proof that they had aroused the sleepy god (or busy relieving himself) and that he had been appeased and your sins had been forgiven. However, this insecurity from failure to trust God in Christ would return with vengeance when the music-high wore off and you just felt terrible.
The wine which God supplies is not for getting drunk; it is a food product. But, you cannot drink this "wine" with your mouth open:
HO, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk (food products) without money and without price. Isa 55:1
The Eating Drinking Symbol: Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not?
The Spiritual Food and Drink: "hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness. Isa 55:2
Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David. Isa 55:3
For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: Isa 55:10
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. Isa 55:11
Then it will be the fields which will sing and the trees which will clap their hands. Isaiah 5 noted that their musical-wine worship meant that the vineyard turned to briars and trampling ground for wild animals. Israel was pretty good at cutting down all the cedars to build houses for pagan gods along with the Temple. The lands were so abused that when Israel and Judah went into captivity the fields, trees and animals could finally "worship" God for getting the noisy, destructive people out of the way. This, of course, is symbolic.
Dionysus the Pattern for Perverted Worship and Worshippers
The Masculine Journey promoted by Promise Keepers held that Jesus had homosexual feelings. Perhaps this was because His travelling companions and apostles were all men. However, the effeminate "gods" were the ones able to lead a female entourage around. Real mean don't dance to God. Effeminate men in the professions are less threatening to women and are therefore honored more than the masculine. A few gender-confused men also got involved. In the Feast of Tabernacles fragment we noted that the clergy in Jerusalem would be fired because they were involved in fertility rituals:
"Today, this music and dance festival is understood as the one remnant of the old Canaanite fertility rituals, which, in the monotheistic pseudomorphosis of the temple ceremonies, was to ensure an abundant crop of plants, animals, and even human beings."
"This was perhaps the only occasion where popular music-making was allowed to mix with the otherwise sternly guarded prerogative of Levitical music.
Consequently, secular, superstitious, even popular licentious elements were here introduced in the performance of the temple's liturgical music." (Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible, p. 460, Abingdon).
There was always a connection between perverting self or God's law and the wine symbol of dionysus. Solomon warned that--
It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink: Pr 31:4
Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted. Pr 31:5
Give strong drink (intensely intoxicating) unto him that is ready to perish (void), and wine (fermented wine) unto those that be of heavy (bitter) hearts. Pr 31:6
The new wineskin legalistic pattern goes even further: as confessed Post-Modern it even deny that God has a right to make laws (patterns) governing faith and practice.
God does not allow wine for the "sad" who need to exhilarate. Rather, the heavy hearted who are permitted, by God, to turn to wine are bitter and discontented:
Mar (h4751) mar; or (fem.) 4784 maw-raw'; from 4843; bitter (lit. or fig.); also (as noun) bitterness, or (adv.) bitterly: angry, chafed, discontented
To pervert is to be a double-dealer. You may look like one but be another. For instance, when the raving prophets fell into ecstasy or as David drummed upon the door the goal was to fool the enemy:
And he changed his behaviour before them, and feigned himself mad (halal or praise) in their hands, and scrabbled (drummed) on the doors of the gate, and let his spittle fall down upon his beard. 1S 21:13
And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? Ac.13:10
Music was the most common "tool" or weapon for inducing ecstasy to pervert another to take away their manhood or their property. The male prostitute king of Tyre played the harp in order to be "remembered as a male." To profane one in this way comes from the word:
Chalal (h2490) khaw-lal'; to wound, to dissolve; figurative. to profane (a person, place or thing), to break (one's word), to begin (as if by an "opening wedge"); denom. (from 2485) to play (the flute), defile, break, defile, eat as common things, gather the grape thereof (similar to melody), take inheritance, pipe, player on instruments, pollute, cast as profane (self), prostitute, slay (slain), sorrow, stain, wound.
Jesus identified the clergy as children playing the old fertility rituals where sexual perversion was an acceptable act of worship. He said:
But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows, Mt 11:16
And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented. Mt 11:17
The dance they wanted Jesus to get into was a dance reserved for women liberated from caring for their children and effeminate men:
Orcheomai (g3738) or-kheh'-om-ahee; (a row or ring); to dance (from the ranklike or regular motion): - dance
They wanted Jesus to lament in the sense of singing the song of worship with instrumental music to Bacchus while getting touched or "set on fire." When applied to dionysus or Bacchus it was the:
"Thriambeuo (g2358) three-am-byoo'-o; from a prol. comp. of the base of 2360 and a der. of 680 (mean. a noisy iambus, sung in honor of Bacchus); to make an acclamatory procession, i.e. (fig.) to conquer or (by Hebr.) to give victory: - (cause) to triumph (over).
This was a little ritual drama by men trained in the theater. If by their acting they could get you to fall into the dance or chant their song they had closed down your rational mind and infused their pagan worship right into the emotional seat without raising a single rational thought.
Dionysus or Bacchus as the God of NEW WINE is perverted and musical.
The Presence of Dionysus Can Be Detected
In another fragment, we noted that Willow Creek churches such as Woodmont Hills under Rubel Shelly have hired a "worship facilitation minister" who must be trained in music and dramatic performance to help "bring the worhiper into the presence of God." Because this is one of the methods of the change agentry efforts it is interesting that:
"dionysus is a strange god. Although he is best known as the god of wine, he is also a vegetation deity, a god of the liquid element,
a death god,
a god who comes into and changes, often irrevocably, the normal community life,
and lastly the god of the theatre."The duality of dionysus is related to another of his attributes, which is that of loss of identity.
"Nietzsche (in The Birth of Tragedy) treats Dionysus as a dynamic of time
that destroys old forms and brings forth the new."
(one reason for his role in the Mysteries) with 'an indifference to the differences'. Nietzsche contrasts this to Apollo who is the God of light, and of forms in particular.
Of course, Dionysus was honored at Apollo's shrine at the Oracle of Delphi. Click to see how a Seeker System restores the ancient pattern of Apollo who is Appolyon or Abbadon.
The actors in the plays performed for dionysus were masked; the mask symbolized the submersion of their identity into that of another. Wine also has the effect of submerging the normal personality of the person who drinks it. Dionysus made a habit of stealing the identities of his worshippers; the bacchants dancing on the mountainside have no separate personalities; they are mad, crazed, they have been taken over by the god; and they are all alike.
"Agave is certainly not herself when she tears her son to pieces, acting in unison with her sisters. In this respect they are behaving in the same way crowds often do, in which the individual is subliminated by the mob. dionysus induces mass hysteria, he is the god of mob fury.
"This loss of individuality is demonstrated in the theatre not only by the masks which the actors wear, but also by the chorus.
"They dance and sing in unison, all chanting the same words. The members of the chorus have no identity, each is merely an insignificant part of the whole, with no separate will. All individuality willpower must be given up to dionysus, when the god choses to take it. From
The Rise of The Feminine and Effeminate Mediator Between Man and God.
Because there could be no preside-over or theatrical performance without a totally corrupt spirit which sees one's own talent as necessary for "worship" to work. This is very ancient and very pagan. However, these people so distorted rapidly come to believe that every event must be sanctified and mediated by their often exotic talent.
As Rubel Shelly and Randy Harris have prolmugated the dogma or ritualistic pattern that the "musical worship team" can help "lead you into the presence of God" it comes as no surprise that their tag-along feminine teams, just like Nimrod's in ancient Babylonia, believe that the feminine power which is sexual power really stands between the secular "audience" and the holy.
Because Jesus was totally masculine, He refused to perform the signs of a homosexual dancer honoring dionysus. Rather, He led His own triumphal march into heaven itself but it was not playing literal instruments while naked like David. He spoiled those including Judas whom Psalm 41 said would not triumph over (blow trumpets and celebrate) Him:
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; col 2:14
And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Col 2:15
The secular or carnal triumph of Judas and the Jewish priesthood was:
The Dead Sea Scroll's version of Psalm 41 reads:
Thriambeuo (h2358) three-am-byoo'-o; from a prol. comp. of the base of 2360 and a der. of 680 (mean. a noisy iambus, sung in honor of Bacchus); to make an acclamatory procession, i.e. (fig.) to conquer or (by Hebr.) to give victory: - cause to triumph over.
They have overtaken me in a narrow pass (gap) without escape
And there is no rest for me in my trial.
They sound my censure upon a harp
and their murmuring and storming upon a zither." Ps.41:11
- However, when Jesus leads in triumph, the instruments will be the lips and heart:
- I will groan with the zither of lamentation
- in all grief-stricken mourning and bitter complaint
- until iniquity and wickedness are consumed
- and the disease-bringing scourge is no more.
The Lord Who lead captivity in a triumphal march was God Who, in the flesh, was Lord Jesus Christ. He destroyed the power of the clergy, including the musical Levites who laid down their instruments for 1800 years, which had been used to lade or burden the people with "spiritual anxiety from religious ritual"-
- Then will I play on the zither of deliverance
- and harp of joy,
- on the tabors of prayer and the pipe of praise
- without end.
Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the Lord God might dwell among them. Psa 68:18
Dionysus was worshipped in the temple in Jerusalem before the time of Christ. Therefore, when some Jewish clergy tried to triumph over Him with their pipes or wind instruments it was to force him into the ritual chorus to dance with the musical worship team. You see, they wanted dionysus to prove Himself resurrected and the Christ symbol of Messiah must be crushed at all costs because He would not allow them to sit on His right and left hand. However, for a male to dance in the religious ceremony would be to prove himself effeminate. Jesus asked the Jews who swarmed around John the Baptist to see the show:
But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings houses. Mat 11:8
Soft is from the Greek:
Malakos (g3120) mal-ak-os'; of uncert. affin.; soft, i.e. fine (clothing); fig. a catamite (male prostitute): - effeminate, soft. (g3119 means soft or diseased)
"Asherah (symbolized by errect poles with fertility symbols pouring out the top): She is the Queen of Heaven, in other languages and ages identified as Ashtoreth, Athirat, Astarte, and Ishtar. Yahweh, the Hebrew God elevated to become the sole deity , was Her consort. Her "male" priestesses were known as kelabim, the faithful "dogs" of the Goddess,
"who practiced divinatory arts, danced in processions, and served as hierodules, qedeshim, in the company of other priestesses. Elements of the goddess worship were largely erased in a cultural purge c. 630 BCE by King Yosiah, at the behest of Yahweh's priests, who required supremacy.
"I would argue that in Greek tragedy the cross-dressed actor was crucial, a sign of the conventional nature of the drama. Male playing female is inevitably distanced from the role and makes it clear that the role of the woman is an idealization, not a realization.
In addition the male playing female indicates a possible relevance of the form to dionysus, a god associated with masks and characterized by softness, woman's curls and dress (Bacchae) and worshipped with transvestite ceremonies at the Oschophoria (Seaford; Segal 1982: 10-20, 158- 68, 214).
Dionysus is the eternal enemy of God. He comes in many skins but he is the Satan figure but he is always the "god of wine, women, song, drama, theater and instrumental music."
However, when this "god" takes over it is the end of the road:
"There is a further irony: although the last tragedy of the last canonical tragedian puts the god of theatre back into theatre, restoring Dionysos as the centerpiece of the festival of the City Dionysia, this restoration shows unmistakable signs of instability, uncertainty, even self-doubt. I have written about these signs:
"It is symptomatic of structures that have lost their elasticity, becoming too rigid to ac
