2 Timothy 3 The Last Days defines deceivers as musical sorcerers agreeing with John in Revelation 18. Quick "word mining" missed by most.

Speaking In Tongues

No Charismatic Ecstasy or Gibberish in the Bible for Christians.

Speaking in tongues was 70 minor dialects. Here are the ones who will be baptized with WIND and FIRE to be burned up.


John knew that as forerunner
baptism would be the MARK that Messiah had come into the world. When Jesus as the GREATER insisted on being baptized by the LESSER it was to "fulfill all righteousness." That means to FULLY PREACH BAPTISM for the remission of sins.
And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water. John 1:31
And John bare record
, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. John 1:32

This was a SIGN of the arrival of Messiah: it is not a legalistic patternism which is promised for everyone. I believe that there was a remnant of 110 locals who constituted an OFFERING to God.  Probably most of the pilgrims were true Jews who had dispersed from Jerusalem rather than submit to having their young men "wear the hat of Hermes" meaning to serve as performers and prostitutes IN the holy places as the abomination of desolation..

John baptized with water and everyone AFTER Pentecost baptized in WATER. Therefore the "baptism of the Holy Spirit" was a SIGN which only Jesus as God in the flesh could administer.  PNEUMA never speaks of a PERSON other than personified as mental disposition OF a person and that DISPOSITION being DISPOSED.

And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy [WIND] Ghost. John 1:33

And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God. John 1:34

Matt 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

MOST rejected the consel of God by REFUSING to be baptized. The CLAIMED predestination for their salvation but that would not prevent a million unbaptized "Jews" which were mostly NOT Israelites but Ishmaelites or ARABS.

Matt 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

Matt 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

The overwhelming with WIND and FIRE comes after the ROOT and TREES have been cut down: why would you want that?

Matt 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Matt 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: BUT he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, [WIND] and with fire:

Humans continued to baptize in WATER after Pentecost: only Jesus Christ could separate the wheat from the chaff and BURN up the chaff and put the WHEAT into the church or synagogue.

How does Jesus baptize with with SPIRIT and FIRE? He uses a "fan" for blowing WIND or SPIRIT and then you BURN UP the chaff.

Matt 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor,
and gather [synagogue] his
wheat into the garner;
but he will burn up the chaff with
unquenchable fire.

Chaff is that which the WIND (not a person) blows away

Is.4:4 When the Lord
1. shall have
washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion,
2. and shall have
purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof
by the
SPIRIT [WIND] of judgment, and by the SPIRIT [WIND] of burning.

What happened in the upper room was a SIGN or proof: Pentecost began the THRESHING of the Divine Wind and a million people who trusted predestination were PURGED by WIND and FIRE.  The miracles were to the FOUR GROUPS and all were judgmental signs AGAINST those who refused to be baptized WITH WATER.

Phil, I forgot to show that Jesus identified THAT GENERATION as pipers, singers and dancers and consigned them to the marketplace where all polluted religionism took place.  And Peter who understood that the small band of SECTARIANS who controlled religion and were not Israelites but Ishmaelites would all be sifted by the WIND and burned up with a SPIRIT [WIND] OF FIRE.

Musical Captivity is PROOF that people are NOT secured FROM the crooked generation where the word DEMAGOGUE means "to appease the masses with performing arts."

Acts 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this CROOKED generation.
Crooked or untoward defines MOST modern religionism which is not kissing kin to the EKKLESIA as school of the Bible--ONLY

G4646 skolios skol-ee-os' From the base of G4628 ; warped, that is, winding; figuratively perverse: crooked, froward, untoward.

Skolios 1 curved, winding, twisted, tangled, Lat. obliquus, Hdt., Eur., etc.:-- bent sideways, douleiê kephalê skoliê (Hor. stat capite obstipo) Theogn.: metaph. crooked, i. e. unjust, unrighteous , Il., Hes., etc.; skolia prattein, eipein Plat.:--so adv. skoliôs, Hes.

Prattein, Prassô II. experience certain fortunes, achieved bondage, i.e. brought it on himself, grant power of song, get something, plot, 3. of sexual intercourse, b. esp. of secret practices and intrigues

Speaking in tongues is common in all cultures and most religions. Gibberish was consider madness or mantic inspiration where going insane under the influence of drugs or music was believed to be caused by the "gods" or indwelling demons.

[6] Entering the chamber a magician piles dry wood upon the altar; he first places a tiara upon his head and then sings to some god or other an invocation in a foreign tongue unintelligible to Greeks, reciting the invocation from a book. So it is without fire that the wood must catch, and bright flames dart from it

The historical background helps explain why God used it as a sign of His presence in the apostles who then delivered His Word empowered with His own Spirit.

The word CHARISMATIC while worshiping Chara-the Grace-only goddess, is most often attached to perverted sexuality Charismatic ecstasy is speaking as "prophets." The only background for "threskia" form of ceremonial worship was founded by Orpheus one of the "fathers" of music and what Paul identified as MADNESS or speaking in tongues in 1 Cor 14. Chara or GRACE was a goddess. Charismatic connected directly to attempting to bind spirit and flesh together in the "harmony" principle of Apollyon or Apollo: "moving together" involved only two persons and was acted out in homosexuality: usually in pederasty (sodomy) which was common in ALL priesthoods or brotherhoods of religious performers.

The same is true of the word CHARISMATIC in the Greek world: Charismatic was trying to engage in, according to the Vineyard lady, a climactic experience with God. Of course, you used perverted sexuality to KNOW the gods personally. Most often with the Agents of the gods.

The Vulgate makes the TWO-FOLD function of the assembly (synagogue) clear: we are to worship IN SPIRIT and we are to speak OUTWARDLY in TRUTH or UNDERSTANDING:

1 Cor [14] For if I pray in another language, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful.

That is, if I pray in my favorite minor dialect my spirit prays. That is proper when we worship in the new PLACE of the human spirit. However, my on personal understanding is unfruitful in that those in Corinth who spoke Koine Greek did not profit from it. Therefore, the praying in spirit in ANOTHER LANGUAGE would be translated or interpreted in the language of the assembly:

[15] What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also. I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

If you speak in tongues meaning "a minor dialect" those who do not know your home dialect will not profit from your outward prayer or song:

[16] Otherwise if you bless with the spirit, how will he who fills the place of the unlearned say the "Amen" at your giving of thanks, seeing he doesn't know what you say? [17]

Herodotus, The Historie CXXXV. But at this time there happened, as the Thebans say, a thing at which I marvel greatly. It would seem that this man Mys of Europus came in his wanderings among the places of divination to the precinct of Ptoan Apollo. This temple is called Ptoum, and belongs to the Thebans. It lies by a hill, above lake Copais, very near to the town Acraephia.

[2] When the man called Mys entered into this temple together with three men of the town who were chosen on the state's behalf to write down the oracles that should be given, straightway the diviner prophesied in a foreign tongue.

[3] The Thebans who followed him were astonished to hear a strange language instead of Greek and knew not what this present matter might be. Mys of Europus, however, snatched from them the tablet which they carried and wrote on it that which was spoken by the prophet, saying that the words of the oracle were Carian. After writing everything down, he went back to Thessaly. (4.36)

Kariêi min glôssêi chran: sc. ton prophêtên = ton promantin. Unless Mys was a Karian the selection of the Karian language would have been rather pointless. The story may be substantially true; it would not have been difficult to arrange that the prophet should babble a few words of Karian to the man of Euromos, or Europos. One need not [p. 572] summon up the 'subliminal consciousness' to explain this miracle.

The Meaning of Speaking in Tongues

Speaking in tongues has two backgrounds in Paganism. First, the ecstatic speech or gibberish of a female oracle who intoxicated on noxious gasses, chewing laurel leaves, wine or music was the insane raving of one gone insane. The "gods" were believed to reveal themselves to the "uncovered prophesiers" of 1 Cor. 11:5. The priest composed a song and the interpreter said whatever he needed to say to get paid.

Second, the Barbarian tongues in Corinth were real minor languages so ancient that they were held, like Latin, to be the only way to speak to the gods with angelic voices.

Languages, Dialects and Tongues of the Barbarian: Must Read
Do you believe in speaking in tongues?

Middle East Background to Speaking in tongues

Wen Amun's Report connecting musical worship and speaking in tongues
Islamic Ecstasy

Classical Background to Speaking in tongues

The Bacchantes By Euripides - Dionysus Wineskin God
Cratylus by Plato with Socrates and Hermogenes
Phaedrus Charismatic ecstasy or speaking in tongues
1 Corinthians 14:23: Speaking in Tongues -
Plato and Madness
Corinth's Musical Worship and Speaking in Tongues -
Pagan Backgroundail 

Church Fathers Connect Musical Worship and Speaking in tongues

Arnobius and the Music, Frenzy and Idolatry ConnectionJohn Chrysostom Performance Worship like speaking in tongues

Lucian of Samosata: Alexander the Oracle Monger

Denominational and Other Scholars

David Hume - Superstition - Enthusiasm
John Wesley - Charismatic Religion

What or Who is the Holy Spirit

Holy Spirit - John 14:16 - Another Comforter Not Speaking in Tongues

What and To Whom was the Prophecy Speaking in tongues

Were all of the 120 Disciples speaking in tongues?

The Examples of True Speaking in Tongues

Only Men were speaking in Tongues (Once Each) in Apostle's Presence
Signs and Wonders - Apostles and Prophets and Speaking in Tongue

Cornelius and speaking in tongues

Baptism of the Holy Spirit - Speaking in Tongues - Objections to Your Views

Corinth Speaking in tongues- Doing More Harm Than Good (11:17f)

Languages, Dialects and Tongues of the Barbarian: Must Read
Speaking in Tongues A Warning - Isa 28: - Isaiah 28: - 1 Corinthians 14
Why Women speaking in tongues Were Silenced in Corinth

1 Corinthians 13:1 - First Corinthians 13:1 - 1 Cor 13:1 - speaking in Tongues of Angels - Familiar Spirit - Speaking in Tongues - Sounding Gongs and Tinkling Cymbals

Speaking in tongues to god & air?
1 Corinthians 14, First Corinthians 14, Speaking in Tongues or Glossolalalia


The Connection with Charismatic music and Witchcraft

Women in Worship Produces Speaking in Tongues

Lifting Hands Old Testament Introduction

Lifting Hands in Timothy and Titus

Post Modern - Post Denominational Views

Review: Rubel Shelly - Faith Matters - Prophesying Women in the church of Christ
Rubel Shelly - Faith Matters - Women Worship Teams
Rubel Shelly - A Woman's Place - Church of Christ Assembly First Corinthians 14: Women Silent in Corinth

Dance Worship Teams - Speaking in Tongues - Modern Shamans?

Psychological Control

The Emperor Has No Clothes Part 1:
The Emperor Has No Clothes Part 2:
The Emperor Has No Clothes Part 3:
Music for a Damaging Drug High
Music as a Brainwashing Tool

Post Modern and Promise Keeper's Index

Musical Worship Index

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