Tom Moulder Heritage Church of Christ Traditionalism
Elders who teach false doctrine are wolves: their authority is to "teach that which has been taught" and let people watch the outcome of their lives: they have no authority other than that. Godly men (males) should not be intimidated by the Rick Atchley that you should not question the move of the elders. People decide WHOM they will follow and whom they can trust with their money. People who chase out the owners are robbers of temples and Christ give you authority to stand up and tell them to resign.
After sowing discord the elders have demanded that you not discuss this unless you speak to an elder because YOU would be guilty of sowing discord. You are invited to ask any question or challenge anything we have written by CLICKING HERE. You don't have to give your name so you don't have to fear the elders.
Michael Di Paolo Heritage Church of Christ New Testament Law
I hear lots of stress or DISCORD in the what sounds like intimidation. And everyone seems to be reading off the "white paper" generated by the NACC and spread by Rick Atchley and a small band at ACU and Pepperdine to "teach people how to leave our movement." That would be fine if they didn't have to handle each proof point dishonestly. We will show that LEGAL has two AUTHORS:
First, the Law of Christ since He is King and High Priest and Lord by God's appointment. We are commanded to teach what HE commanded to be taught: that is a Law but not of self-righteousness as demonstrated by primping and posing by 'musical worship teams' joked the world around as sissy or worse.
Second, the Law or legalism is that of the Pagan 'gods' such as the Starry Host to which God abandoned the Jews. These LAWS all apply to the Worship Teams about tuning and playing so-called musical instruments always identified as Soothsaying (Miriam, Levites) or Sorcery (the speakers, singers and instrument players under the Babylon Mother of Harlots (Revelation 17) whom John calls SORCERERS using a word coined for a Babylonian Sorcerers. To make things worse, both Amos 8 and Revelation 18 marks the religious performers as FRUITS. Why not, that is what the Spirit OF Christ laid out as an end-time Prophetic Type.
Jim Hackney Instrumental Music in Worship
Even we simple folk understand that Word or LOGOS is the opposite of rhetoric, singing, music or acting.
We also know that SPEAK is the opposite of ODE or SINGING.
Heritage Church of Christ rationale for imposing Musical Instruments.
8.05.13 Johnny Miles Where We Got Authority for Instrumental Music
Beginning with the "serpent" or musical enchanter, to the Spirit OF Christ in the prophets, to John in Revelation and all recorded tradition, the only "tradition" is that the Devil gave people authority to "make the lambs dumb before the slaughter."
I will review Tom Moulder's quite upset comments that the church decided to VOTE with or without the elder's permission and insists on challenging the
Prior to coming to Heritage in 2009, they were part of a small group that planted a church in Flower Mound that was sponsored by the Richland Hills Church of Christ.
This suggests that Heritage Church of Christ has been targeted to be a DAUGHTER of the MOTHER CHURCH under Rick Atchley.
I will review Tom Moulder's quite upset comments that the church decided to VOTE with or without the elder's permission and insists on challenging the "hostile takeover." The elders BEGAN with Rick Atchley's willingness to argue with three empty chairs. The costume is quite elegant but his stare is quite empty. Actors are called hypocrites: Christ named self-speakers, actors, singers and instrument players.
Rick Atchley and the Law of Silence.
Rick Atchley says: Jesus never deals with the issue. The ANTI-instrumental advocates must speak where Jesus never did. You would think He would if this was worth splitting His church over.
I see visions of strong delusions when the psychological violence of "If WE impose instruments and you object, protest and even take it to the streets of the internet, then YOU are splitting the church and sowing discord.
If WE decide to turn YOUR church into a CRACK house after hours to be all things to all people, and YOU protest using the laws of time-share then YOU are destroying friendship. From the serpent or Musical Enchanter(ess) in the garden of Eden--the singing and harp playing prostitue says Christ--to the Babylon mother of harlots (used emasculated priesthood Paul warned about) in Revelation the ONLY authority for using Religious Music is recorded to have come from the Devil
But, that is exactly what Rick Atchley set out to do: you first SPLIT OFF the sorehead owners and replace them with instrumental butterflies. The Purpose Driven cult says that you can loose up to half of the owners and make it profitable by replacing those who love music because it means "to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter.
Jesus DOES deal with the issue: it is just that people who do not love the Word as it has been delivered to us are sent STRONG DELUSIONS so that they believe their own lies and are damned. Lying Wonders are specificially Religious Services using musical and theatrical performance and SELLING it bu saying that GOD TOLD THE ELDERS THAT THEY SHOULD ADDE INSTRUMENTS.
Musical Worship is Witchcraft and the MARK of the emasculated
Gal 5:12 As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!
Chrysostom's Commentary on Galatians:
Galatians 5:1.-"With freedom did Christ set us free; stand fast therefore.115 ."
Ver. 12."I would that they which unsettle you would even cut themselves off." And he says well "that unsettle you."
"A man that is heretical after the first and second admonition refuse." (Tit. iii: 10) If they will,Catullus,Carmina 63 Noteslet them not only be circumcised, but mutilated.Where then are those who dare to mutilate themselves; seeing that they draw down the Apostolic curse, and accuse the workmanship of God, and take part with the Manichees? ... But if you will not allow this,why do you not mutilate the tongue for blasphemy, the hands for rapine, the feet for their evil courses, in short, the whole body?For the ear enchanted by the sound of a flute hath often enervated the soul;
and the perception of a sweet perfume by the nostrils hath bewitched the mind, and made it frantic for pleasure .
Thy timbrel, Mother Cybele, the firstings of thy rite,
And as her tender finger-tips on bull-back hollow rang
She rose a-grieving and her song to listening comrades sang.
"Up Gallae, hie together, haste for Cybele's deep grove,
Hie to the Dindymnean dame, ye flocks that love to rove;
The which affecting stranger steads as bound in exile's brunt
My sect pursuing led by me have nerved you to confront
The raging surge of salty sea and ocean's tyrant hand
As your hate of Venus' [ZOE] hest your manly forms unmann'd,
Gladden your souls, ye mistresses, with sense of error bann'd.
Drive from your spirits dull delay, together follow ye
To hold of Phrygian goddess, home of Phrygian Cybebe,
Where loud the cymbal's voice resounds with timbrel-echoes blending,
And where the Phrygian piper drones grave bass from reed a-bending,
Where toss their ivy-circled heads with might the Maenades
Where ply mid shrilly lullilooes the holiest mysteries,
Where to fly here and there be wont the she-god's vaguing train,
Thither behoves us lead the dance in quick-step hasty strain."
Tom Moulder: Tradition Versus Mission 6.21.13
There is no sweet way to say that those who say NOT using musical instruments in The School of Christ is Just a TRADITON: a Satanic barrier is just flat lying to God and about God. The World had to await the Christian Churches (Tom's mentors) until 1878 to decide that IF they needed authority for their SELF-WILL and WILL-WORSHIP they would use the PSALLO word. Psallo has no musical content and when men pluck on harp strings in recorded history they are trying to seduce a young male whose hairs had been plucked. Paul hoped the troubles would go all the way and EMASCULATE themselves.
Tom Moulder: We want to follow God's Word. I want everyone to be better servants of God
We spent so much time discussing it the first of the year, your leadership knew that it was going to take a change in everyone's heart to recognize mission at Heritage: All we talk about is Instrumental music.
Well, darn, darn, darn: if you had ever read Genesis or Revelation and that sandwitdhed between you would know that God placed ugly bookends so that even simple simons could not be mistaken. Why does EVERYONE have to change their heart and affirm what Scripture condemns to satisfy probably the Senior Pastor long a running mate of the several discorders.
Tom Moulder: We need to make a change about the Law:: think about, get our heart right, think about the Law we can do it.
This long tradition resulted in split from the Christian Church. The Church of Christ argued that instruments were wrong and therefore we are not in fellowship with Christian church.
That's utterly false: Churches of Christ were never "united" with the Christian Church which began in 1927 as the NACC using men like Rick Atckley to "transistion" peaceable churches of Christ. Furthermore, any elder APT to teach would understand that vocal or instrumental rejoicing for the assembly is FORBIDDEN by the Law of Christ in the wilderness and by minimal common reverence when Jesus comes to teach ONLY when the elders teach that which has been taught. Where oh where does Tom Moulder find Jesus Christ teaching anything about music in the assembly for PREACHING the Word by READING the Word for comfort and doctrine.
The Christian church destroyed any fraternal fellowship when they imposed instruments and set out preaching UNITY but intending to confiscate the Church which Tom Moulder did not build. We can all have friendly relations with those of the Christian Churches most of whom would cringe if they knew what the "leaders" have always been up to. However, we do not do UNITY by letting them impose instruments and confiscate the property.
The so-called unity was a handshake between a few men from the Christians and the Reformed Baptists in 1932: here is what these few men agreed to with meeting together was very easy before the Christians IMPOSED a denominational structure and instruments as worship which originally said was sin:
Alexander Campbell denied there COULD be any unity which meant organizational union BEFORE 1832 and AFTER 1832. This is one of the foulest lies told intending to make honorable people feel guilty for something done TO them. Godly members will have no fellowship with Tom Molder but it is Tom Mounder who did two things God hates: Music in the holy place and sowing of discord.
"But an amalgamation of sects is not such a union as Christ prayed for and God enjoins. To agree to be one upon any system of human inventions would be contrary to his will, and could never be a blessing to the church or the world; therefore, the only union practicable or desirable must be based on the word of God as the only rule of faith and practice...
"I have the more cheerfully resolved on this course, because the gospel is a system of facts, commands, and promises, and no deduction or inference from them, however logical or true, forms any part of the gospel of Jesus Christ. No heaven is promised to those who hold them, and no hell is threatened to those who deny them. They do not constitute, singly or together, an item of the ancient and apostolic gospel. While there is but one faith, there may be ten thousand opinions; and, hence, if Christians are ever to be one, they must be one in faith, and not in opinion. When certain subjects arise, even in conversation or social discussion, about which there is a contrariety of opinion and sensitiveness of feeling, speak of them in the words of the Scripture, and no offense will be given and no pride of doctrine will be encouraged. We may even come, in the end, by thus speaking the same things, to think the same things.
"For several years past I have stood pledged to meet the religious world, or any part of it, on the ancient gospel and order of things as presented in the words of the Book. This is the foundation on which Christians once stood, and on it they can, and ought to, stand again.
From this I cannot depart to meet any man, or set of men, in the wide world. While, for the sake of peace and Christian union, I have long since waived the public maintenance of any speculation I may hold, yet no one gospel fact, commandment, or promise will I surrender for the world" (Life of Elder John Smith, pages 452-454.)
Tom Moulder: Traditions pass on from generation to generation. It might be wrong about what Grandpa thought.
No: that's a falsehood conceiving to deceive. Members of Churches of Christ have been Bible students forever and were known as The Church of Christ in all historic periods. None were so irreverent that they thought that there was any role for music in the assembly devoted to the Apostolic Doctrine. Furthermore, even men who wrote on clay tablets KNEW that instrumental sounds created by Cain (from a musical note) had the ability to freak out people, make them fearful and tell them that was A spirit speaking in and through the musical machine. That is why Miriam and the Levites prophesied or were soothsayers or sorcerers using instruments to spook are alarm or triumph over the superstitious.
NOT using "machines for doing hard work" is a tradition or a deadly VIRUS you caught from your godly grandmother who could repudiate any of the modern "infiltrate and divert preachers" and put them to shame.
Tom Moulder: The shepherds are in unanimous agreement that instrumental music is not a Scripture Issue. Each congregation should make their own decision.
That means two things: the elders are Biblically illiterate or they are under some kind of bondage to appease the MOTHER CHURCH. That means termilally evil. Jesus promised STRONG DELUSIONS to people who do not love the truth. Someone is trying to SHAKE the movable people so that only those who CANNOT be shaken remain. If you MAKE it God will DESTROY it. He is not worshipped with the WORKS of human hands: pointing, waving, clapping or picking and grinning. Musical disturbance is the wrath or ORGY Paul tried to prevent by removing the females and effeminate.
2Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren,
by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,
and by our gathering together unto him,
2Thessalonians 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled,
neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us,
as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Mŏvĕo , I. To move, stir, set in motion; to shake, disturb, remove,
A. Lit.: movit et ad certos nescia membra modos, ut festis matrona moveri jussa diebus, to dance, Hor. A. P. 232: by dancing (gesticulating), et fila sonantia movit, struck, Ov. M. 10, 89: citharam cum voce, id.tympana, id. H. 4, 48; to disturb: novis Helicona cantibus, Manil. Astron. 1, 4: signum movere loco, to move from the place,
Ov. Met. 10.89MARK OF SATAN MOVING MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH OF CHRIST
Sumtime a boay beloved of the God that with a string
Dooth arme his bow, and with a string in tune his Violl bring.
For hallowed to the Nymphes that in the feeldes of Carthye were
There was a goodly myghty Stag whose homes such bredth did beare,
As that they shadowed all his head. His homes of gold did shyne,
And downe his brest hung from his necke, a cheyne with jewels fyne.
Amid his frunt with prettie strings a tablet beeing tyde,
Did waver as he went: and from his eares on eyther syde
movit et ad certos nescia membra modos,
1 Certus purpose driven, resolved, deliberate,
2 Nescĭus an unknown thing, a piece of ignorance unknowing, ignorant, unaware, not understanding, unable II. An epithet of all those objects whose existence or reality is fixed, determined (hence in connection with definitus, Quint. 7, 10, 7; with praefinitus, Suet. Galb. 14)
Revelation 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;3 Membrum includes: A Member Of the Church of Christ: singuli autem alter alterius membra, Vulg. Rom. 12, 5; cf. the context: membra sumus corporis ejus, i. e. Christ's, id. Eph. 5, 30.
Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries WERE all nations deceived.
4 Mŏdus , Musical Melody: you have to cut the word Limb from Limb to make melody
2. The measure of tones, measure, rhythm, melody, harmony, time; in poetry, measure, metre, mode: vocum, Cic. Div. 2, 3, 9: musici, Quint. 1, 10, 14: lyrici, Ov. H. 15, 6: fidibus Latinis Thebanos aptare modos, Hor. Ep. 1, 3, 12: Bacchico exsultas (i. e. exsultans) modo, Enn. ap. Charis. p. 214 P. (Trag. v. 152 Vahl.): flebilibus modis concinere, Cic. Tusc. 1, 44, 106: saltare ad tibicinis modos, to the music or sound of the flute, Liv. 7, 2: nectere canoris Eloquium vocale modis, Juv. 7, 19.Fig.: verae numerosque modosque ediscere vitae, moral harmonies,
Citharam 1.the cithara, cithern, guitar, or lute
II. Meton., the music of the cithara, or, in gen., of a stringed instrument, the art of playing on the cithara,
Cantus , ūs, m. id., I.the production of melodious sound, a musical utterance or expression, either with voice or instrument; hence, song, singing, playing, music A. Of persons. 1. With the voice, a singing, song; in full, cantus vocum, cock, a crowing
B. An incantation, charm, magic song, etc.: cantusque artesque magorum. SORCERY Cic. Div. 2.26
Lying Wonders: -Teratourg-eτ, A. WORK wonders, pseudτsti Sch.Pi.I.7(6).13.
Lying is -Pseudes 2. fiction (opposite logos, historic
2. fiction (Opposite logos, historic truth)logos , o(, verbal noun of lego; (B), with senses corresponding to leg0 (B) II and III (on the various senses of the word v. Opposite Pathos or peacher's tales
Opposite epagōg-ē , 2. bringing in to one's aid, introduction, 4. allurement, enticement b. incantation, spell, leading away into captivity.
A WORK OR WONDER WOULD BE TO PERFORM ANY RITUAL CLAIMING THAT IT IS DOING A DIVINE WORK OR WORSHIP. A heretic is someone who chooses to CARRY AWAY something that belongs to another.
Aristot. Rh. 3.6.3  Use metaphors and epithets by way of illustration, taking care, however, to avoid what is too poetical. Aristot. Rh. 3.6.7 Poets also make use of this in inventing words, as a melody "without strings" or "without the lyre"; for they employ epithets from negations, a course which is approved in proportional metaphors, as for instance, to say that tNhe sound of the trumpet is a melody without the lyre.Note: Psallo is never translated "melody" in the Greek literature. If you want to sow discord instead of psallo and add TUNEFUL MELODY with an instrument the word is Melos. That's why Paul nor the Bible ever uses the word and why it is A LIE to make "melody or grace IN the heart mean melody WITH a harp. The word PSALLO would absolute outlaw using any instrument you cannot pluck WITH YOUR FINGERS and never with a plectrum.
From the Church in the wilderness onward and defined by the Campbells the command was to speak the Words of God externally and rehearse or meditate on them in the heart.
-[3. 8. 1 The form of diction should be neither metrical nor without rhythm. If it is metrical, it lacks persuasiveness, for it appears artificial, and at the same time it distracts the hearer's attention, since it sets him on the watch for the recurrence of such and such a cadence.
-Pindar, Pythian, Odes 4: Aphrodite [ZOE] of Cyprus brought the maddening bird to men for the first time, and she taught the son of Aeson skill in prayerful incantations, so that he could rob Medea of reverence for her parents. and a longing for Greece would lash her, her mind on fire, with the whip of Persuasion.
Tom Moulder: We talk too much about this TRADITION; we need to seek and save the lost. Anytime anywhere. Where reaching out to the Lost, how well we have done at Heritage? Haven't been very effective. Shepherd forced to do ask: Why ae we so INEFFECTIVE in reaching the lost if we have God on our side?
-Plato Athenian Laws [884a]Next after cases of outrage we shall state for cases of violence one universally inclusive principle of law, to this effect:--
No one shall carry or drive off anything which belongs to others,
nor shall he use any of his neighbor's goods unless he has gained the consent of the owner;
for from such action proceed all the evils above mentioned--past, present and to come.
Of the rest, the most grave are the licentious and outrageous acts of the young; and outrages offend most gravely when they are directed against sacred things, and they are especially grave when they are directed against objects which are public as well as holy, or partially public, as being shared in by the members of a tribe or other similar community. [885a] As to temple-robbing, whether done by open violence or secretly...
The Lost spirits--pilgrims and soujourners in an evil world order: Apostles and Evangelists are SENT OUT as demonstrated by the limited commission: Those who received the WORD OF CHRIST were baptized. If they were not received the PATTERN is to shake the dust off and move on like a fisherman casting out his net. You don't CALL lost sheep into the fold by loud music.
It is confessed by Jim Hackney before the Switch of churches as a Purpose Driven Ploy that the elders promised to be "a cappella." That was logically understood to mean "we will not be instrumental." When people do not trust the "leadership" then they will not invest their time or money or EXPOSE the youth to prophesied falling away.
Tom Moulder :A cappella (NOT using instruments) is simply a curious tradition. The whole world is connected to the Internet. This was the beginning of a revelation: think about it: When the last time you turned your radio to acappella.
That is utterly false and conceived to deceive: The Bible, church fathers and founders of denominations agreed with churches of Christ. Scripture utterly condemns instruments as having the power to do mind control which is called sorcery or witchcraft. When Churches of Christ were able to attend Christian churches NO ONE did not condemn instruments being imposed in some methodist or Anglican-derived churches.
Jesus refused to pray for the WORLD and God HIDES from the Wise or Sophist. A Church of Christ is "a kingdom within you" and cannot be found with observations or religious services.
Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the WORLD, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Romans 5.12 Dia touto hōsper di' henos anthrōpou hē hamartia eis ton kosmon eisēlthen kai dia tēs hamartias ho thanatos, kai houtōs eis pantas anthrōpous ho thanatos diēlthen eph' hō pantes hēmarton-.
kosmos , ho, A. generally, of things, natural order, this present world, i.e. earth, opp. heaven, regarded as the kingdom of evilTitus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
world-order, universe, first in Pythagoras
kosmo-kratōr [a^, oros, ho, A. lord of the world, epith. of ouranos, Orph.H.4.3; Zeus Mitras Hēlios k.
3. Astrol., ruler of the kosmos, i.e. planet, Id.in Cat.Cod.Astr.6.68, Vett.Val.171.6; hoi hepta k. Dam.Pr.131; hoi k. tou skotous toutou the cosmic rulers of this sinful world, Ep.Eph.6.12; hoi k. hoi ta hupo selēnēn stoikheia dioikountes Iamb.Myst.2.3.
Titus 2:12 Teaching us that,
denying ungodliness and WORLDY lusts,
we should live soberly, righteously, and godly,
in this present world;
-Tuba War trumpet the ONLY instruments God authorized. Apart from military purposes, it was used on various occasions, as at religious festivals, games, funerals,
imitated by Verg. A. 9, 503: tubae utrimque canunt, Plaut. Am. 1, 1, 73
-Căno , cĕcĭni, cantum (ancient I. imp. cante = canite, Carm once canituri, Vulg. Apoc. 8, 13),
2. Of the faulty delivery of an orator, to speak in a sing-song tone: inclinată ululantique voce more Asiatico canere, Cic. Or. 8, 27; cf. canto and canticum.
In the lang. of the Pythagoreans, of the heavenly bodies (considered as living beings), the music of the spheres, Cic. N. D. 3, 11, 27.
C. Transf., of the instruments by which, or (poet.) of the places in which, the sounds are produced, to sound, resound: canentes tibiae, Cic. N. D. 2, 8, 22: maestae cecinere tubae, Prop. 4 (5), 11, 9. frondiferasque novis avibus canere undique silvas,
kosmos , metaph., of ornaments of speech, such as epithets, Id.9.9 (pl.), Arist.Rh.1408a14, Po.1457b2, 1458a33; hadumelē k. keladein to sing sweet songs of praise, Pi.O.11 (10).13 (s.v.l.).Tom Moulder: Traditioon is the only reason, is someone has take a very NICHE Marketplace. Could learn a lot from brothers in Christ. Have been talking with a brother.
Pind. O. 11 My tongue wants to foster such themes;  but it is by the gift of a god that a man flourishes with a skillful mind, as with anything else. For the present rest assured, Hagesidamus son of Archestratus: for the sake of your boxing victory,I shall loudly sing a sweet song, an adornment for your garland of golden olive,
 while I honor the race of the Western Locrians.
There, Muses, join in the victory-song; I shall pledge my word to you that we will find there a race that does not repel the stranger, or is inexperienced in fine deeds, but one that is wise and warlike too.
It is a fact that the majority of the world's worshipers DO NOT use mechanical instruments to worship s Spirit God. Jesus consigned the Pipers trying to get others to sing or lament or dance to the MARKETPLACE. We don't SELL congregational singing which has been the historic practice for these 2,000 years. The Disciples of Christ INVENTED the Psallo word as late as 1876 to justify THEIR massive sowing of discord among the Disciples-Christians.
People attend "progressive" churches because they know that the Word God gave to the Son without measure will NOT be PREACHED by being READ for Comfort and Doctrine. The Progressives KNOW and avoid the warning of Jesus that if you teach what HE TAUGHT then the world will HATE you and hurt you.
2 Co.1:12 For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience,
that in simplicity and godly sincerity,
not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God,
we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to youward.
2 Cor 1:12 Hē gar kaukhēsis hēmōn hautē estin, to marturion tēs suneidēseōs hēmōn, hoti en hagiotēti kai eilikrinia tou theou, kai ouk en sophia sarkikē all' en khariti theou, anestraphēmen en tō kosmō, perissoterōs de pros humas:MARK:
NOT THE MUSICAL GRACE:
Kharis : the foregoing personified, as wife of Hephaestus, Il. 18.382.Pl., Kharites, the Graces, handmaids of Aphrodīte, Il. 5.338, Il. 14.267, Il. 17.51, Od. 6.18, Od. 18.194. In an EROTIC sense a favor one man bestows on another: this was one of the TRADES the musical parasites performed in the marketplace.
Sophia , Ion. -iē, h(, prop.A.cleverness or skill in handicraft and art, as in carpentry, tektonos, hos rha te pasēs eu eidē s. Il.15.412; of the Telchines, Pi.O.7.53; hē entekhnos s., of Hephaestus and Athena, Pl.Prt.32 1d; of Daedalus and Palamedes, X.Mem.4.2.33, cf. 1.4.2; in music and singing, tekhnē kai s. h.Merc.483, cf. 511; in poetry, Sol.13.52, Pi.O.1.117, Ar.Ra.882, X.An.1.2.8, etc.; in driving, Pl. Thg.123c; in medicine or surgery, Pi.P.3.54; in divination, S.OT 502 (lyr.); dusthanatōn hupo sophias eis gēras aphiketo Pl.R.406b; s. dēmēgorikē, dikanikē, ib.365d; hē peri Homērou s. Id.Ion 542a; ou sophia alla phusei poiein Id.Ap.22b; sēmainontes tēn s . . ., hoti aretē tekhnēs estin Arist.EN1141a12: rare in pl., Pi.O.9.107, Ar.Ra.676 (lyr.), IG12.522 (vase, v B.C.).
2Cor. 2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God:
but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
17 ou gar esmen hōs hoi polloi kapēleuontes ton logon tou theou, all' hōs ex eilikrinias, all' hōs ek theou katenanti theou en Khristō laloumen.Tom Moulder just does not get it: He follows Rick Atchley by DENYING that those that attend the instrumental service has any right to complain. You cannot have church in the morning and turn THEIR church into a Crack House in the evening. It is a fact music induces endorphines into the "worshipers" and this induces the impulse of Fight, Flight or Sexual Feelings. The Wimber wineskings promote it as a Sexual-Like Climactic experience with the "spirit." The drug high makes music highly addictive. SO they get a music high all week so Tom Moulder thinks that YOUR church must proved the DRUG HIGH to get them back. Music can produce Decibel Poisioning and can induce premature birth. it SHUTS DOWN the rational or spiritual hemisphere and that is why it is defined as Sorcery (Rev 18) or Witchcraft.
A. to be a retail-dealer, drive a petty trade, Hdt.1.155, 2.35, Isoc.2.1, Nymphod.21, IG11(2).161 A16 (Delos, iii B. C.), BGU1024 vii 23 (iv A. D.); di' apsukhou boras sitois kapēleu' drive a trade, chaffer with your vegetable food, E.Hipp.953.
Tom Moulder: Far more are withdrawing from this fellowship they don't even HAVE TO attend: this is just a TRADITION and they should be more into the Bible. This was just a tradition or man made trapping added after Christ.
So Tom Molder is sowing masively discord and he is UNABLE to stop sowing discord and resign. They should not withdraw: they should follow the commands to the elders to EJECT the misleaders. Christ establishes ONE BODY so that everyone speaks the same things by teaching that which is written for our learning. A true elder is commanded to teach that which HAS BEEN taught. The owners of the property know that any musical "worship" is sin and cannot have fellowship EVEN with the group which has decided to SPLIT OFF.
Those complainers don't have to participate. There are so many bigger issues, seeking and saving the lost.
We have had to spend three sunday's on this issue; it is just frustrating.
When God sends strong delusions the deluders are the first to be deluded BUT they cannot stop: how can you stop people who THINK that a spirit inside of them is telling them to destroy the fellowship? The agenda is often, to chase out the owners and then make it into a DAUGHTER church speaking lies in hypocrisy.
Tom Moulder: The youth are slowly bleeding away to Instrumental Music Chrches. Why pander to people?
The blasphemy of imposing a Musical Worship Team at Rick Atchley's church started the downward spiral. if parents were not suspicious they would bring their younger people and they could be taught the FACTS that God hates music and musicians in the "holy places" and He hates elders turned WOLVES who open the gate and let the STRAY wolf inside the fold.
Why PANDER to the owners and those who know that God CONDEMNS instruments and instrumentalists. The SOUNDS of God driving His enemies into "hell" are wind, string and percussion instruments. The Spirit OF Christ told me so in Isaiah 30.
Tom Moulder: More often called to judgment. Missed the chance to SAVE people when we decided to add musical instruments.
Sorry, YOU cannot save more souls: instruments DENIES Christ be denying the the only POWER to salvation is the Gospel OF the Kingdom. Jesus sent evangelists OUT to seek the Lost. These are lost spirits and when they hear the gospel, like the eunuch, they WILL respond: you are wasting your time calling the butterflies INTO the venue for Rock and Roll as all instrumentalists fall into:
Luke 8:40 And it came to pass, that, when Jesus was returned, the people gladly received him: for they were all waiting for him.I do have 100 sheep leave the 99 and seek the lost sheep. Puts it on his shoulder. and BRINGS IT HOME.
Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received HIS word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
The shepherd does not OPEN the gate to the WOLVES which love to "eat" lambs: this is a double entendra since wolves are "pederasts" the MARK of the Sophist as opposed to the LOGOS people waiting for the call to "come up higher."
Tom Moulder: Complainers ask: "Shouldn't we be more concerned about the 99 who might wander off? This is a question like: "Are you still eating your wife?" Premise is totally wrong. JESUS more rejoicing over one.
The Shepherd LEAVES the 99 who are in the sheepfold inside the closed city where shepherds brought their sheep after leading them "besides still waters" to feed. Rushing Waters is a symbol of musical instruments: lambs will not and cannot feed on the word under those conditions--even if the elders taught that which is written. He knows that the sheep are in good hands when he obeys the COMMANDMENT to GO seek the losts.
Wolves are the names of pedarests or boy lovers: Jesus warned about women and BOYS ruling over you. What seems to be proposed is NOT to go out in the cold and find that lost sheep (they ARE already sheep) but to OPEN the doors and invite the WOLVES in.
See Worship Androgyny the Pagan Sexual Ideal
Tom Moulder: No one is ASKED to worship in a style they don't like. Worship is in spirit and truth. JESUS more rejoicing over one.
Jesus meant that worship is IN THE SPIRIT as a PLACE as opposed to at Mount Gerizim or Moung Zion. Truth is the Word of Christ.
Paul said that the converts worshipped IN THE SPIRIT contrasted IN THE FLESH. The command to PREACH the Word by READING the Word for education, comfort and doctrine PREVENTS the Concision of Dogs from getting inside.
Thus saith the Lord God; Smite with thine hand, and stamp with thy foot, and say, Alas for all the evil abominations of the house of Israel for they shall fall by the sword, by the famine, and by the pestilence. Eze.6:11
For thus saith the Lord God; Because thou hast clapped thine hands, and stamped with the feet, and rejoiced in heart with all thy despite against the land of Israel; Eze.25:6
Behold, therefore I will stretch out mine hand upon thee, and will deliver thee for a spoil to the heathen; and I will cut thee off from the people, and I will cause thee to perish out of the countries: I will destroy thee; and thou shalt know that I am the Lord. Eze 25:7
For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. Phil 3:3
Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision. Phil 3:2
Dogs were the CYNICS they stamped, clapped and made noises like DOGS to attract their fellow homosexuals.
kuōn [u^, ho and h(, both in Hom., the masc. more freq., gen. ku^nos, dat.ku^ni, acc.kuna, voc.
II. as a word of reproach, freq. in Hom. of women, to denote shamelessness or audacity; applied by Helen to herself, Il.6.344, 356; by Iris to Athena, 8.423; by Hera to Artemis, 21.481: of the maids in the house of Odysseus, Od.18.338, al.: later, in a coarse sense, Ar.V.1402; hē rhapsōdos k., of the Sphinx, S.OT391, cf.A.Fr.236 (lyr.); of men, kakai k. Il.13.623; implying recklessness, 8.299, 527, Od.17.248, 22.35; also of offensive persons, compared to yapping dogs, LXX Ps.21(22).17, Ep.Phil.3.2; k. laithargos, = lathrodēktēs, metaph., of a person, S.Fr.885, cf. E. Fr.555: prov., mē dōte to hagion tois k. Ev.Matt.7.6
The Beast: thēreutēs deinos. A mighty hunter, a very Nimrod. For the notion of the chase in erotics, cp. the use of helein and diōkein in 182 E, etc., and of thēra in Soph. 222 D tē tōn erōntōn thēra (cp. thērōmai in Isocr. Hel. 219 D): for the same notion applied to philosophical enquiry, cp. Phaedo 66 C tēn tou ontos thēran: Gorg. 500 D, Theaet. 198 A ff. So Emerson (On Beauty), The sharpestsighted hunter in the world is Love, for finding what he seeks and only that.
MARK of the BEAST or Theiron meaning "A New style of music or drama).
Eur. Ba. 977 Go to the mountain, go, fleet hounds of Madness, where the daughters of Kadmos hold their company, and drive them raving  against the mad spy on the Maenads, the one dressed in women's attire. His mother will be the first to see him from a smooth rock or crag, as he lies in ambush, and she will cry out to the maenads:
luss-a^ , Att. lutta^ ,2. after Hom., raging madness, frenzy, such as was caused by the gods, as that of 10, lussēs pneumati margō A.Pr.883 (anap.); of Orestes, Id.Ch.287, E.Or.254, etc.; of the Proetides, B.10.102; of Bacchic frenzy, elaphra l. E. Ba.851; thoai Lussas kunes, of the Furies, ib.977 (lyr.); lussē parakopos Ar.Th.680: strengthd., l. manias S.Fr.941.4; lutta erōtikē Pl.Lg.839a; l. alone, of raging love, Theoc.3.47; simply, rage, fanaticism, peri tas haireseis [Heresy]
Tom Moulder: GOD IS Interested in lost causes. We need to reach OUT to them. I haven't done that. DO IT.
We need to feel the Burden of seeking the lost.
Paul communicates the same: the all sufficiencey of Christ:
Tom Moulder: Not using Instruments is "Placing another requirement on Christians." Why not put myself in same position: requiring someone to believe but also believe in a cappella. If I add that requirement then I have done what Paul condemns.
NOT doing something as a most "works intensive" ritual which consumes all of the attention (worship) is not IMPOSING SOMETHING. A Church of Christ for 2,000 yeard did not ADD instruments because they knew the meaning of a Disciple and A School which does not make you listen to a silly musician when Jesus is trying to speak IF you have a faithful elder who is commanded to Teach that which has been taught.
Tom knows of no preacher or elder of the Church of Christ who would "infiltrate and divert" an instrumental church and force them to sing WITHOUT an instrument. Only instrumentalists IMPOSE instruments so that you are BURDENED or you get out.
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Jesus being an adult did not IMPOSE singing or playing: if we go to Jesus or a godly elder he teaches us: Disciples go to a school of Christ and do not do worship rituals.
orkheomai , dōsō toi Tegeēn possikroton orkhēsasthai to dance in or on, Orac. ap. Hdt. 1.66, cf. Lakōnika skhēmatia orkheisthai dance Laconian steps, Id.6.129 ; o. pros ton aulon skhēmata Id.Smp.7.5 tōn humnōn hoi men ōrkhounto hoi de ouk ōrkhounto Ath.14.631d.
III. Act. orkheō , make to dance (v. Pl.Cra.407a), is used by Ion Trag.50, ek tōn aelptōn mallon ōrkhēsen phrenas made my heart leap (so codd. Ath., ōrkhēsai Nauck); but orkēsi in Ar.Th.1179 is a barbarism for orkhētai.
Tired of: phi^losophos , ho, A. lover of wisdom; Pythagoras called himself philosophos, not sophos, Cic Tusc.5.3.9, D.L.Prooem.12; ton ph. sophias phēsomen epithumētēn einai pasēs Pl.R.475b,
2. philosopher, i. e. one who speculates on truth and reality, hoi alēthinoi ph., defined as hoi tēs alētheias philotheamones, Pl.R.475e;
Revelation 2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
Revelation 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
Revelation 2:3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my names sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
A Laded burden which Jesus expelled was:phort-izō , phortia ph. tinas load them with burdens, Ev.Luc.11.46; perissē dapanē ph. ta koina
hudatis -izousa ton ophthalmon encumbering, Hes.Op.690; phortioumenos meli to carry away a load of honey,
Aenigma Sphingis (ap.Sch.E.Ph.50):
Now when the Sphinx was oppressing and ravaging our city, after my husband's death, my brother Creon proclaimed my marriage: that he would marry me to anyone who should guess the riddle of the crafty maiden. It happened somehow  that my son, Oedipus, guessed the Sphinx's song; [and so he became king of this land] and received the scepter of this land as his prize. He married his mother in ignorance, luckless wretch! nor did his mother know that she was sleeping with her son.
Phortikos hapanta mimoumenē tekhnē phortikē art that imitates with a view to any and every man is vulgar, of an inflated rhetorical style, to discourse more like a clown than one of liberal education 2. philosopher, i. e. one who speculates on truth and reality, -ōtatē leitourgia most onerous, ; Epainos praise singing mim-eomaiA GODLY ELDER AS A SHEPHERD CAUSES THE SHEEP TO REST FROM ANY LOUD NOISE. ALL HE CAN DO IS LEAD THEM TO THE FOOD AND KEEP THE WOLVES AWAY.
phort-i^kos , ē, on: (phortos)
II. of the nature of a burden: metaph. (cf. phortos 11), tiresome, wearisome, to legein . . ph. kai epakhthes D.5.4; tois sunousi ph. Plu.2.456e, cf. 44a, etc.; ph. akolouthōn okhlō because of the crowd . . , Luc.Nigr.13; -ōtatē leitourgia most onerous, POxy.904.9 (v A. D.).2. coarse, vulgar, common, andres Ar.Nu.524; opp. pepaideumenos, Arist.Pol. 1342a20; hoi polloi kai -ōtatoi, opp. hoi kharientes, Id.EN1095b16; bōmolokhoi kai ph. ib.1128a5; ph. kai neoploutos Plu.2.708c.b. of things, ph. kōmōdia a vulgar, low comedy, Ar.V.66, cf. Pl.Phdr.236c; ph. to khōrion Ar.Lys.1218; ph. gelōs Com.Adesp.644; diaita -ōtera kai aphilosophos Pl.Phdr.256b; hēdonē ph. Id.R.581d; ph. kai dēmēgorika base, low arguments, ad captandum vulgus,
THE LADED BURDEN JESUS DIED TO REMOVE:
Epōd-os , on, （epadō） e. kai goēs E.Hipp. 1038 (but goēs e. Ba.234): c. gen., a charm for or against, ethusen hautou paida epōdon Thrēkiōn aēmatōn A.Ag.1418 ; e. tōn toioutōn one to charm away such fears, Pl.Phd.78a.
--katep-adō ,A. subdue by song or enchantment, tina Pl.Grg.483e, Men.80a, Plu.Dio14, Lib.Or.64.91; tas tōn neōn psukhas Max.Tyr.23.3; overcome by a spell, Phld.Lib.p.290.; soothe, tinos Ach.Tat.7.10.2. sing by way of enchantment, Id.2.7.II. to be always repeating, BURDEN
Ana-pauō , poet. and Ion. amp- , fut. Med. anapausomai: aor. anepausamēn
make to cease, stop or hinder from a thing, kheimōnos . . hos rha te ergōn anthrōpous anepausen Il.17.550; a. tina tou planou give him rest from wandering, S.OC1113; tous leitourgountas a. (sc. tōn analōmatōn) to relieve them from . . , D.42.25, cf. 42.
leitourg-eō , 2. perform religious service, minister, epi tōn hierōn D.H.2.22; tō Kuriō Act.Ap.13.2, etc. (Written lit- in Rev.Et.Anc.32.5 (Athens, i B.C.), etc., cf. leitourgion, leitourgos.）
ei de kai dia gunaikōn edei tina hiera sunteleisthai kai dia paidōn amphithalōn hetera, hina kai tauta genētai kata to kratiston, tas te gunaikas etaxe tōn hiereōn tois heautōn andrasi sunierasthai, kai ei ti mē themis ēn hup' andrōn orgiazesthai kata nomon ton epikhōrion, tautas epitelein kai paidas autōn ta kathēkonta leitourgein:Acts 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
Acts 13:3 And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away.
leitourg-os , III. in religioussense, minister, [theou] ib.Ps.102(103).21, Ep.Rom.13.6, al.; tōn theōn D.H.2.22, cf. 73; tōn hagiōn l. Ep.Hebr.8.2; theois litourgoi
IV. Astrol., leitourgoi, hoi, astral gods subordinate to the dekanoi, Iamb.Myst.9.2
2. c. acc. only, put an end to, boēn S.Tr.1262; more freq. rest, make to halt, a. strateuma X.Cyr.7.1.4; Matthew 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and LEARN from ME, for I am humble and lowly in heart; and you will find REST for your souls.
lay it in a reposing posture, Ael.VH12.64, cf. NA7.29: abs., anapauson give me rest, Luc.Tyr.21.
2. abs., take one's rest, sleep, Hdt.1.12, 2.95, al., E.Hipp.211, v.l. in Ar.Pl. 695, cf. Lys. 13.12, etc.
3. rest or settle upon an object, to tou Theou pneuma eph' humas anapauetai 1 Ep.Petr. 4.14, cf. LXXIs.11.2; of shadow
The future church in Isaiah 4 is defined as a Safe House: safe from any and all pagan religions intending to pick your pocket and claim that you need them to appease the gods.
ISAIAH 4 THE PROTECTION OF A CHURCH OF CHRIST:
Isaiah 4: 6 And there shall be a tabernacle for a shadow in the daytime from the heat,
and for a place of refuge [covert], and for a covert from storm and from rain.
Umbrācŭlum , i, n. umbraI. any thing that furnishes shade).I Lit., a shady place, bower, arbor, Varr. R. R. 1, 51, 2; Cic. Fragm. ap. Macr. S. 6, 4; Verg. E. 9, 42.B. Transf., a school: in solem et pulverem, ut e Theophrasti doctissimi hominis umbraculis, Cic. Brut. 9, 37: ex umbraculis eruditorum in solem atque in pulverem, id. Leg. 3, 6, 14.II. A sunshade, parasol, umbrella, Ov. F. 2, 311; id. A. A. 2, 209; Mart. 14, 28, 1;
ē-rŭdĭo . to free from roughness, brought to perfectionI.to polish, educate, instruct, teach (freq. and class.; cf.: doceo, edoceo, praecipio, instituo).
Eph. 5:26WEB That he might sanctify and cleanse it
with the washing of water
[INTO] the word, (In Verbo, En, Eis) into the Word or School of Christ
Into Converto , epistles of a writer, to be occupied in, Into In eccl. Lat., to convert to Christianity, etc.:
aliquem ad fidem Christi,
Plat. Theaet. 206a Socrates But would you not rather accept the opposite belief, judging by your own experience when you were learning to read?
In learning, you were merely constantly trying to distinguish between the letters both by sight and by hearing, keeping each of them distinct from the rest, that you might not be disturbed by their sequence when they were spoken or written.
Theaetetus That is very true.
Socrates And in the music school was not perfect attainment
I. freedom from care, unconcern, composure.sunoida , pf. with pres. sense, 1pl.Isoc.3.59, LXX Jb.27.6, 1 Ep.Cor.4.4; suneidotes hautois with full consciousness1Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer [request for] of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
suneidēsis , eōs, hē, A.knowledge shared with another, tōn algēmatōn 2. communication, information, heurēseis s.Sēcūrĭtas , ātis, f. securus,
4. consciousness, awareness
vacandum omni est animi perturbatione,
securitas inaffectatae orationis, quietness
văcātĭo , ōnis, f. vaco,I.a being free from a duty, service, etc.; freedom, exemption, immunity; a freeing, exempting, dispensation(b). With ab: a causis vacatio, Cic. Leg. 1, 4, 11: ab belli administratione, Liv. 23, 32, 15: ab opere, Col. 6, 14, 3: a sacerdotio, [priestly observations] Gell. 1, 12, 7.
(g). With quominus: vacationem augures, quominus judiciis operam darent, non habere, Cic. Brut. 31, 117.
REST or Freedom from:
săcerdōtĭum , ii, n. 1. sacerdos, rĕlĭgĭo,
I.the priesthood, the office or dignity of priests, the sacerdotal office
Giving up some bad habits.
Church at Corinth had many problems: "Why are you doing these things. This is wrong." Paul still fellowships? Considered them to be Christians.
How can we expect to do LESS.
Paul said that the Assemblies in Corinth DID MORE HARM THAN GOOD: I don't think Paul would fellowship the assembly.
1Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues
of men and of angels, (condemned)
and have not charity, (Grace) (condemned)
I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
This is not speaking as in the command to SPEAK one to another to teach and comfort. Sounding brass and tinkling cymbals here are identifying marks of people who have NO LOVE. Even if they COULD speak all of the languages in the world there would be no love. The command is to SPEAK or LOGOS the Word of Christ which is the opposite of rhetoric, singing or playing instruments. Speaking in the tongues of angels was IN FACT making music in tongues. Tongues and Instruments INTEND to lull people to sleep with THE LOCUSTS OF REVELATION.La^l-eō, Mark of the Locusts II. chatter, Opposite. articulate speech, as of locusts, chirp, Theoc.5.34; mesēmbrias lalein tettix (sc. eimi), a very grasshopper to chirp at midday, III. of musical sounds, aulō [flute] laleō Theoc.20.29; di'aulou [flute] ē salpiggos l.[trumpet] Arist. Aud.801a29; of Echo, magadin lalein sound the magadis, [double flute]
Aggelos , of a loquacious person 2. generally, one that announces or tells, e.g. of birds of augury, Il.24.292,296; Mousōn aggelos, of a poet
Aggelos , ho, hē,A. messenger, envoy, Il.2.26, etc.; di' aggelōn homileein tini Hdt.5.92.z, cf. SIG229.25 (Erythrae): prov., Arabios a., of a loquacious person, Men.32.4. In later philos., semi-divine being, hēliakoi a. Jul.Or.4.141b, a. kai arkhaggeloi also in mystical and magical writings, aggela nikēs
2. generally, one that announces or tells, e.g. of birds of augury, Il.24.292,296; Mousōn aggelos, of a poet,aggelon glōssan logōn E.Supp.203; aisthēsis hēmin a. Plot.5.3.3; neut. pl., aggela nikēs Nonn.D.34.226.
nik-ēi_, hē, II. pr. n., Nike, the goddess of victory, Hes.Th.384, cf. Pi.I.2.26, etc.; Nikē Athana Polias S.Ph.134, cf. E. Ion457 (lyr.), 1529.Eur. Supp. 203 Theseus
 Full often have I argued out this subject with others. For there are those who say, there is more bad than good in human nature; but I hold a contrary view, that good over bad predominates in man,  for if it were not so, we should not exist. He has my praise,
whichever god brought us to live by rule from chaos and from brutishness,
first by implanting reason, and next by giving us a tongue to declare our thoughts,
so as to know the meaning of what is said..
And where sight fails us and our knowledge is not sure, the seer foretells by gazing on the flame, by reading signs in folds of entrails, or by divination from the flight of birds.
Are we not then too proud, when heaven has made such  preparation for our life,
not to be content with it?
But our presumption seeks to lord it over heaven,
and in the pride of our hearts we think we are wiser than the gods.
Jesus prayed that we all may be One. So that the World may believe that you may be One as we are one John. 17
Be just like God and His Son: Wewant everyone to be ONE IN CHRIST.
Why bother about that prayer? don't look good. God is not through with us yet.
Great things in store for Heritage: all things are possible.
My faith suggests that we WILL BE ONE even thought my EYES cannot see how it is to happen except by prayer.
God can take the worrst and turn it around: Have a love for one another and god. Great Commission
Tom Moulder PRAYS that God will REMOVE you faithful memebers constructing SATANIC BARRIERS:
You must remove all of the barriers SATAN can construct.
Make us a great congregation. You can put you back in our eyes.
The Lord, Lord sayers or prophesiers were Prophesying with Instruments: Jesus said GOD DOES NOT EVEN KNOW YOUR NAME.