While the Progressive word is common perhaps Jay Guin has been most instrumental in trying to SECTARIAN OUT those he considers to have progressed beyond the sacred page. In the old sacrificial system--used as patternism--in the Greek language the instrument players made noise to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter: he was called the PARASITE. The HERETIC was the slaughter priest who lifted them up to cut their throats. That is why Paul outlawed the "preferences" of the Diet sects in Romans 14 and then in Romans 15 outlawed SELF-pleasure or "creating mental excitement." That would make using one mind and one mouth to teach "that which is written for our learning impossible." It would also prevent praise or glory due to God by refusing to use HIS Words in the Prophets and Apostles.
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8.12.11 The Churches of Christ was never "unioned" with the Disciples of Christ / Christian Churches. Don't be duped.
The Disciples / Christian Churches were the first to say that GOD COMMANDED INSTRUMENTAL WORSHIP in the Old Testament and since He has not changed the Law, it is still acceptable to use instrumental music in what is described solely as "A School of the Word of Christ" as Jesus commanded when He sent preachers OUT.
http://www.piney.com/Instrumental.Music.Worship.Old.Testament.html
- The New credo is that God commanded instrumental praise and WE will not be disobedient. A small number of preachers have been duped into a fatal fall from grace: flattery will get you anything!
- If God did NOT command the use of Musical Instruments (to make noise) even when He abandoned them to worship the starry host BECAUSE of musical idolatry.
- Then Jeremiah 23 by the Spirit OF Christ (the only One) says that you have blasphemed The Holy Spirit.
The Church is built on the foundation of the Prophets and Apostles. I have commented on a paper by "Anon" to prove that no one was so uninformed that they could have accidentially missed the fork in the roat at Mount Sinai. I know of no preacher or scholar who understands what happened: "Doctors of the law take away the key to knowledge." Jesus called these same Scibes and Pharisees, hypocrites. In the Ezekiel 33 example He names speakers, singers and instrument players who have no role in an Ekklesia of Christ. It's True: Jesus never said "thou shall not be a hypocrite."
8.09.11 Review of K.C.Moser who is the foundation of the neo-trinitarians and Anti-Baptism direct commands
These bloggers build on the foundation of "faith only" so that OBEYING THE GOSPEL really means just BELIEVING THE GOSPEL. None of them have obeyed the direct command to build on the foundation of the Prophets and Apostles. They, like the Jews promote the use of instruments to "make the voice of the victim silent" and to fleece the lambs but Christ in the prophets warned about the Lying Pen of the Scribes. Blaspheming of the Holy Spirit is saying something the Spirit of Christ in the prophets said is something else: using the human imagination (all songs and sermons) iscalled by God the product of wicked minds: not just in error!
Jay Guin Reviews: Jay is trying to sect-out The Progressive Church of Christ. As usual, those who read beyond the sacred pages land in Neo-Babylonianism John defined in Revelation 17 where the speakers, singers and instrument players were called sorcerers and John says they will be (have been) cast alive into the Lake of Fire..
Discuss this and other Anti-Christian Attacks.
Bob Williams in the Origins of Christian Worship teaches (along with most preachers) that the Christian Worship was derived from the Jews which until its destruction was at the temple;
"After its construction by Solomon, the temple in Jerusalem became the prominent focus of Jewish worship. It appears that the emphasis of worship in the temple was primarily on sacrificial offerings and praise to God through music.All of the sowing of discord in the modern church is founded on total ignorance of the story of the Monarchy: God turned them over to worship the starry host. Why do YOU think so many are working so legalisticall hard to conform the church to the Monarchy.
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The tiny remnant of Jews who had not bowed to Baal were preserved and predestinated (God's wish) that they accept Christ.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, [He knew the Jews beforehand]
Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid.
For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Romans 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.
Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias?
how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Romans 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars;
and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Paul is never speaking "dogma" where the theologians gather dogma (dogma includes music) which they can used to justify getting paid for the free water of the Word. His most often problem is Jews who believed they were predestinated: Paul has to prove that they were not predestinated because they fell fatally because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai.
By looking at the rest of Paul's writings you will not fall into the trap of writing a sermon outline which turns around and bites you with a terminal virus. The "progressives" are the most fatally flawed by lifitng proof texts and then not being able to see the rest of the story.
Updated 7.16.11 7.08.11
Chris Seidman on the word Psallo and harps in revelation as authority for instruments in HIS church.
Review of Truit Adair's review of Rick Atchley. Preachers are shooting blanks and keeping their career path safe as long as they agree that Amos (by the Spirit of Christ) condemned only their "attitude." And as long as they say that God commanded anything in the cursed king, kingdom, temple, sacrificial system at which they made exorcism noises never called music. The church is built upon the Prophets and Apostles all who radically condemn the the Civil-Military-Clergy complex as robbers, parasites and hypocrites (defined as speakers, singer and instrument players). There is NO historic scholar who did not agree that Amos was condemning the use of instruments in Samaria.
I have added proof that Jesus warned about musical performers as the enemy.
When Ahaz took the sacrifices and noise (never music) outside of Jerusalem he violated God's law which quarantined the horrors behind closed doors . If you become a Levite singer outside of the Temple in Jerusalem the PATTERN is that God will send a plague upon you.
7.04.11 WHY DO YOU SUPPOSE PEOPLE HAVE TASKED THEMSELVES TO DENY THE FOLLOWING OF THE UNIVERSAL MESSAGE AGAINST MUSIC AS THE MARK OF THE INVASION OF SOUL SNATCHERS?
THIS IS THE DIRECT COMMAND: Disciples study the Word of Christ in the Prophets and Apostles.
2Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season,
out of season; reprove, rebuke,
exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
Logos, verbal noun of lego2Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine;
Opposite kata pathos
Opposite music, poetry or rhetoric
Opposite human reasoning
Opposite Epagoge bringint in to one's aid, introduction
Alurement, enticement, incantation, spell
Opposite Pathos A. that which happens to a person or thing, incident, accident,
where this incident took place, unfortunate accident,
2. what one has experienced, good or bad, experience
II. of the soul, emotion, passion (“legō de pathē . . holōs hois hepetai hēdonē ē lupē” Arist.EN1105b21), “sophiē psukhēn pathōn aphaireitai”
but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers,
having itching [ticke] ears; [eager for combat, pleasure, to be wanton]
Sound is opposite to peri-sta^sis crowds standing round the house,
3. outward pomp and circumstance, hē tou biou p. Plb.3.98.2, cf. 31.26.3 ; truphē kai p. Antig.Car. ap. Ath.12.547f; huparkhōn en megalē p “paison, truphēson, zēson: apothanein se dei
tru^phaō A. live softly, luxuriously, fare sumptuously
Paison, truphêson, zêson2. part. truphōn as Adj., effeminate, luxurious,
Paison paizô 4. play on a musical instrument, h.Ap.206: c. acc., “Pan ho kalamophthogga paizōn” Ar.Ra.230; dance and sing, Pi. O.1.16.5. play amorously, “pros allēlous” X.Smp.9.2; “meta tinos” LXX Ge.26.8; of mares, Arist.HA572a30.
ZOE is Lucifer or Eve the daughter of the Sun. She also is called the "beast, the mother of gods and men and the FEMALE instructing principle.
zaō I. to live, Hom., etc.; elegkhiste [cowardly] zōontōn vilest of living men, Od.; zōein kai horan phaos ēelioio Il.; rheia zōontes living at ease, of the gods,
hēlios II. as pr. n., Helios, the sun-god, Od.8.271, etc.; nē ton Hē. Men.Sam. 108; hupo Dia Gēn Hēlion, in manumission-formula, POxy.48.6, 49.8 (i A.D.), IG9(1).412(Aetolia), IPE2.54.10(iii A.D.); [“Hēlios doulous eleutherous poiei” Artem.2.36; identified with Apollo,
2. Hēliou astēr, of the planet Saturn, v.l. in Pl.Epin.987c, cf. D.S.2.30,
“hoi truphōntes” spoiled pets, Id.Men.76b; en tais ekklēsiais [church] t. kai kolakeuesthai,
See 2 Peter 2 proof of instrumental music as the corruption.
2 Peter 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
Musicians and actors are always called parasites.
Entrupo (g1792) en-troo-fah'-o; from 1722 and 5171; to revel in: - sporting selves.
Epithum-êtês , oi, ho,HERE IS PROOF THAT YOU WILL NOT ENDURE SOUND DOCTRINE:
A. one who longs for or desires, ergôn Hdt.7.6 ; [dogmatôn] sophias, Pl.R.475b, etc.; phusei polemou e. 1 Ep.Cor.10.6
2. . abs., lover, follower, X.Mem.1.2.60.
b. . one who lusts, LXX Nu.11.34.
1Corinthians 10:6 Now these things were our examples, [pattern]SOPHIA A.cleverness or skill in handicraft and art, Hephaestus , in music and singing, in poetry
to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
1Corinthians 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them;
as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
Acts 7:41 And they made a calf in those days,
and offered sacrifice unto the idol,
and rejoiced in the works of their own hands.
Euphrainō , Ep. euphr-, fut. Att.155.12, Pi.I.7(6).3
Pind. I. 6 Just as we mix the second bowl of wine when the men's symposium is flourishing, here is the second song of the Muses for Lampon's children and their athletic victories: first in Nemea, Zeus, in your honor they received the choicest of garlands,
Sophistês , ou, ho, master of one's craft, adept, expert, of diviners, Hdt.2.49; of poets, meletan sophistais prosbalon Pi.I.5(4).28 , cf. Cratin.2; of musicians, sophistês . . parapaiôn chelun A.Fr.314 , cf. Eup.447, Pl.Com. 140; sophistêi Thrêiki (sc. Thamyris) E.Rh.924, cf. Ath.14.632c: with mod
2. sophist (in bad sense), quibbler, cheat, goeta one who howls out enchantments, a sorcerer, enchanter. Goes
Goês , êtos, ho,A. sorcerer, wizard, Phoronis 2, Hdt.2.33 ,4.105 , Pl.R. 380d , Phld.Ir.p.29 W.; g. epôidos Ludias apo chthonos E.Ba.234 , cf. Hipp.1038 ; prob. f.l. for boêisi Hdt.7.191 .
ENCHANTMENTS
Epôid-os , on, epaidô b. Subst., enchanter, e. kai goês E.Hipp. 1038 (but goês e. Ba.234 ): c. gen., a charm for or against, 2. Pass., sung to music, phônai Plu.2.622d ; fit for singing, poiêtikên e. parechein M.6.16 . 1. epôidos , hê , Sch.metr. Pi.O.4 ( ho , Gal.UP17.3, dub. in D.H.Comp.19), epode, part of a lyric ode sung after the strophe and antistrophe, ib.26, Gal. l.c., Sch.metr. Pi.l.c., etc. 2. epôidos , ho , verse or passage returning at intervals, in Alcaics and Sapphics, D.H.Comp.19 ; chorus, burden, refrain, Ph. 1.312 : metaph., ho koinos hapasês adoleschias e. the 'old story',
2Timothy 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth,
and shall be turned unto fables.
FABLES TO FOOL: Fābŭla , ae, f. fari,2Timothy 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions,
1. Most freq., a dramatic poem, drama, play (syn.: “ludus, cantus, actio, etc.): in full, fabula scaenica,” Amm. 28, 1, 4; “or, theatralis,” id. 14, 6, 20: “fabula ad actum scenarum composita,”fabulam, quae versatur in tragoediis atque carminibus non a veritate modo
FABLES TO FOOL: Cantus , ūs, m. id., I. the production of melodious sound, a musical utterance or expression, either with voice or instrument; hence, song, singing, playing,
1. With the voice, a singing, song; in full, cantus vocum, Cic. Rosc. Am. 46, 134: “fit etiam saepe vocum gravitate et cantibus ut pellantur animi, etc.,
2. With instruments, a playing, music: “citharae,” “horribili stridebat tibia cantu,” Cat. 64, 264: “querulae tibiae, “lyrae,” Plin. 34, 8, 19, § 72: “tibicine
FABLES TO FOOL: Scaenĭcus (scen- ), a, um, adj., = skēnikos, I. of or belonging to the stage, scenic, dramatic, theatrical (class.).
stage-plays, theatrical representations, “fabula,” a drama, Amm. 28, 1, 4: “organa,” Suet. Ner. 44: “coronae,” id. ib. 53: “habitus,” id. ib. 38: “gestus,” Cic. de Or. 3, 59, 220: “modulatio,” Quint. 11, 3, 57:
1. scaē-nĭcus , i, m., a player, actor, Cic. Off. 1, 31, 114: “orator plurimum aberit a scaenico 2. scaenĭca , ae, f., a female player, an actress,
THE MOST POWERFUL WEAPON TO FOOL:Orgănum , i, n., = organon,Of musical instruments, a pipe, Quint. 11, 3, 20; 9, 4, 10; Juv. 6, 3, 80; Vulg. Gen. 4, 21; id. 2 Par. 34, 12 et saep. an organ, water-organ: “organa hydraulica,” Suet. Ner. 41: aquatica, Mythogr. Lat. 3, 12.—Of a church-organ, Cass. Expos. in Psa. 150; Aug. Enarr. in Psa. 150, n. 7.— B. Transf.: organum oris, the tongue of a man, Prud. steph
do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
Humn-eō , Ep. humneiō Hes.Op.2; Ep.3pl. II. Tell over and over again, harp upon, repeat, recite,; humnousi ; ton nomon humnein recite the form of the law, Id.Lg.871a:
Another instrumentalists spreading hate and radically false information.
Robert Ballad The Case for Instrumental Music.
Robert Ballard: This book refers to theover 180 places in the Bible where instrumental music is used to praise God.
Nevertheless, there is not a single instance of the church--beginning in the wilderness as the Qahal or synagogue--every assemblying to sing with instrumental accompaniment. From the Jews and the Marzeah (Amos) onward including the Agapae, people engaged in many "religious practices." The cult or feast of the dead or the feast of Martyrs usually engaged great outbursts of wailing, eating and playing instruments. These "Funeral" activities infiltrated the assembly and adopted in modern rituals.
Malachi 3 defines music as marks of Sorcerers when Messiah came.
Malachi 4 defines the "baptism" of Spirit (Wind) and Fire for this Viper Race.
Anathema identifies rhetoricians, singers or instrument players dedicated to perform temple rituals. Because presuming to AID God is called blasphemy, they cannot be redeemed and therefore must be destroyed.
Jay Guin of The Progressive Church of Christ has a new attempt to justify instrumental noise in the School of Christ.
See our Review of Grace Centered Magazine as a promoter of the Progressive Church of Christ.
THOSE WHO IMPOSE INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC BUILD ON THE FOUNDATION OF THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES.
The first two reasons assert that under the Old Testament, God did not just allow instrumental music, He commanded and blessed it. Rick offered the following passages for these contentions: 2 Chronicles 5:13-14; 7:6; 29:25-26; Psalm 33:1- 3; 92:1-3; 150:1-6.
Never mind that the godly tribes were quarantined. No singer or player went INTO or NEAR a holy thing or place on the penalty of death. Some of these patterns are separated from the last by up to 300 years.
CHRIST IN THE PROPHETS WARNED ABOUT THE LYING PEN OF THE SCRIBES.
Stand in the gate of the Lords house [courts], and proclaim there this word,
and say, Hear the word of the Lord, all ye of Judah,
that enter in at these gates to worship the Lord. Jeremiah 7:2
Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel,
Amend your ways and your doings,
and I will cause you to dwell in this place. Jeremiah 7:3
Trust ye not in lying words, saying,
The temple of the Lord, The temple of the Lord,
The temple of the Lord, are these. Jeremiah 7:4
Jer. 8:8 How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is WITH US?
LO, CERTAINLY IN VAIN MADE HE IT;
THE PEN OF THE SCRIBES IS in vain.
For I spake NOT unto your fathers, nor commanded them
in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt,
concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: Jeremiah 7:22
Cyril of Alexandria, Commentary on John,
That the Pharisees puffed up unto strange boasting,
were wont to pretend that the Divine Word was with them and in them,
and therefore foolishly affirmed that they had advanced to marvellous wisdom,
the Spirit Itself will testify,
since Christ says by the Prophet Jeremiah unto them,
How do ye say, WE are wise, and the word of the Lord is with us?
For nought to the scribes became their lying pen;
the wise men were ashamed, were dismayed and taken;
what wisdom is in them? because they rejected the word of the Lord.
For how are they not taken rejecting the Living and Hypostatic Word of God,
receiving not the faith to Him-ward,
but dishonouring the Impress of God the Father,
and refusing to behold His most true Form (so to say)
through His God-befitting Authority and Power?
THE PROPHECIES BY CHRIST WERE FULFILLED BY JESUS CHRIST: JESUS AND PETER MAKES THE APOSTLES AND PROPHETS THE ONLY TRUTH.
John 6:44 No man can come to me,
except the Father which hath sent me draw him:
and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:45 It is WRITTEN IN THE PROPHETS
And they shall be all taught of God.
Every man therefore that hath heard,
and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
2Pet. 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words
which were spoken before by the HOLY PROPHETS
and of the commandment of us the APOSTLES of the Lord and Saviour:
IT WAS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST WHO SPOKE THROUGH THE PROPHETS AND NOT LYING SCRIBES whom He called hypocrites by naming speakers, singers and instrument players in Ezekiel 33.
1Pet. 1:10 Of which salvation the PROPHETS have inquired and searched diligently,
who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
1Pet. 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time
the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify,
when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ,
and the glory that should follow.
God did NOT speak through the lying pen of the Scribes who recorded the Monarchy which God had NOT commanded.
Heb. 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners
spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb. 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us BY HIS SON
whom he hath appointed heir of all things,
by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb. 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory,
and the express image of his person,
and upholding all things by the WORD of his power,
when he had by himself purged our sins,
sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high
THOSE WHO DELIBERATELY SOW DISCORD BY QUOTING THE LYING PEN OF THE SCRIBES (hypocrites: speakers, singers, instrument players) are defined by the Spirit:
Jer. 23:16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts,
Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you:
they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart,
and not out of the mouth of the LORD.
Jer 23:17 They say still unto them that despise me,
The Lord hath said, Ye shall have peace;
and they say unto every one that walketh
after the imagination of his own heart,
No evil shall come upon you.
Despise tthe Word of God of God and using your own words is:
Blasphēm-eō , pf. A. “beblasphēmēka” D.18.10:—speak profanely of sacred things, “eis theous” Pl.R.381e; offer rash prayers,
1. Because Christ as Spirit spoke ONLY through the prophets.
2. Those who use use the pattern of the Lying Pen of the Scribes, in fact despise and ignore the SPIRIT message.
3. Christ in Jeremiah defines that as blasphemy
Hebrew: H5006 nâ’ats naw-ats' A primitive root; to scorn; abhor, (give occasion to) blaspheme, contemn, despise, flourish, X great, provoke. 1.04.11 Bible 101a
Christ in Isaiah 23 (etal, etal) that if you teach something that the Lord has not taught then you are guilty of blasphemy.BE AWARE THAT JOHN IN REVELATION AND MOST RECORDED HISTORY PROVES THAT RELIGIOUS INSTRUMENTS ARE THE MARK OF SORCERERS.
That is spell CENI as far as what anyone is allowed to speak in the name of the Lord.
If you add instruments because you are not aware of many commands against it.
And the Lord has not commanded you to impose instruments when He comes to be our sole Teacher: tha spells BLASPHEMY.
No on can stick a pin in a dolly or hold "workshops" to expel the demonisn of the Biblical church. However, no one was so ignorant that they did not know that people could be "bewitched" out of their purse by the use of sex and instrumental music.
CLICK FOR MEMBERS OF THE PROGRESSIVE CHURCH OF CHRIST
Jay Guin has a list of The Progressive Church of Christ bloggers and churches: you may want to question your preacher-creature.
See the leader, Rubel Shelly, warning that you may have to appeal to Machiavelli to understand why CHANGE comes so slowly.Because they always use stealth with a hidden agenda until the property is well funded, they will not progress further.Change Agents: "The churchman . . . who accepts the injunction that he must change to mean that he must come up with something totally new, and that he must abandon everything from the religion of the past,
is likely to find that he has surrounded himself with a small coterie of secular men,
men who believe as religiously as he does that they are the wave of the future
and that the evolutionary process assures their triumph
as the most advanced and most progressive--
and, yes, let's say it--the fittest of their species. Andrew M. Greeley, Unsecular Man
- Niccolo Machiavelli
- Statesman and Political Philosopher
- 1469 - 1527
- No enterprise is more likely to succeed
- than one concealed from the enemy
- until it is ripe for execution.
Machiavelli, like others, note that it is hard to be the prince of another person's kingdom because they have the law on their side. Don't follow a multitude--anywhere.
Acts 27:21 And there having been long fasting, then Paul having stood in the midst of them, said, ‘It behoved [you], indeed, O men — having hearkened to me — not to set sail from Crete, and to save this hurt and damage;
Acts 27:22 and now I exhort you to be of good cheer, for there shall be no loss of life among you — but of the ship;
1Tim. 1:4 nor to give heed to fables and endless genealogies,
that cause questions rather than the building up of God that is in faith: —
1Tim. 1:5 And the end of the charge is love out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned,
1Tim. 1:6 from which certain, having swerved, did turn aside to vain discourse,
1Tim. 1:7 willing to be teachers of law, not understanding either the things they say, nor concerning what they asseverate,
1Tim. 1:18 This charge I commit to thee, child Timotheus, according to the prophesies that went before upon thee,
that thou mayest war in them the good warfare,
1Tim. 1:19 having faith and A good conscience (A holy spirit),
which certain having thrust away, concerning the faith did make shipwreck,
1Tim. 1:20 of whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I did deliver to the Adversary,
that they might be instructed not to speak evil
Progressive is regressive "back to Babylon" and especially to the Stone Movement which had nothing in common with the historic Restoration of the Church of Christ promoted by John Calvin and continued in England and Ireland before the Campbells and others came to America and gained freedom of speech and the press.
Progressive in the Civil arena means that the Constitution is a "living document" which changes with the times.
Progressive in the Religious arena means that the Bible is like the Constitution: those who are Apostolic or rest on the teachings of the Apostoles and Prophets for all times are mocked as "strict constructionists." By looking at how "progressive" take snippets and make up their own Bible, we can see that progressive is almost always ANTI-Biblical. This is the HIGH CHURCH patternism of the Disciples-Christian churches.
While claiming to RESTORE the church, Places like ACU and Lipscomb university see Randy Harris as a guide through the Grizzly Bear called the Bible. For Instance, Randy Harriss (ACU) has been the darling guiding blight of the "progressives." In God Work he notes An You can see that tampering with mysticism (witchcraft) leads personal opinions to trump the direct command to teach that which has been taught: JESUS SAID DOCTORS OF THE LAW TAKE AWAY THE KEY TO KNOWLEDGE--FOR A PRICE, ALWAYS FOR A PRICE.
STRONGLY DELUDED PEOPLE BELIEVE THEY ARE RIGHT: AND THE SIMPLE MINDED SAY "AMEN."
The Crooked Race we are told to SAVE OURSELVES was the Male Symposium -- like a monastry :-) -- where they "got drunk on wine" before they do what all priesthoods do in the skolion music--maybe drunk on ignorance?
THERE IS NONE OF THIS IN THE SCHOOL OF THE WORD OF GOD: THAT'S WHY ONLY THE FOOLISH ARE FOOLED.
2Th. 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th. 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;
because they received not the love of the truth,
that they might be saved.
2Th. 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
-ŏpĕrātĭo , ōnis, f. operor, I. [select] a working, work, labor, operation A.A religious performance, service, or solemnity, a bringing of offerings: operationes denicales, offerings,-the-a_ma , Ion. theēma , atos, to/, (theaomai)A. sight, spectacle, Semon.7.67, A.Pr.306, E.Supp.783, Ar.Av.1716, etc.; “ei tis orkhoit' eu, theam' ēn” Pl.Com.130; opp. mathēma, Th.2.39; freq. of a sight which gives pleasure, “theamata kai akroamata hēdista parekheis” X.Smp.2.2, cf. 7.5; “orkhēseis kai theamata” Phld.Mus.p.26 K.; emplēsthēte tou kalou th. Pl. R.440a; but also “th. dustheaton” A.Pr.69, cf. S.Aj.992; hepta th. the seven wonders of the world, Str.14.2.5, Plu.2.983e: sg., of a marvellously engraved ring, Gal.UP17.1.X.Smp.2.2 Xenophon, Symposium II. When the tables had been removed and the guests had poured a libation and sung a hymn, there entered a man from Syracuse, to give them an evening's merriment. He had with him a fine flute-girl, a dancing-girl--one of those skilled in acrobatic tricks,--and a very handsome boy, who was expert at playing the cither and at dancing; the Syracusan made money by exhibiting their performances as a spectacle. [2] They now played for the assemblage, the flute-girl on the flute, the boy on the cither; and it was agreed that both furnished capital amusement. Thereupon Socrates remarked: “On my word, Callias, you are giving us a perfect dinner; for not only have you set before us a feast that is above criticism, but you are also offering us very delightful sights and sounds.” [3] “Suppose we go further,” said Callias, “and have some one bring us some perfume, so that we may dine in the midst of pleasant odours, also.” “No, indeed!” replied SocratesJAY AND THE PROGRESSIVES CAN'T KNOW WHY THE CERTAINTY IS LOST AND WILL NEVER BE RESTORED.
“What use will you make of them?” the other asked.
“I will dance, by Zeus.”
Error , a wandering, straying or strolling about, a wavering, uncertainty, uncertainty, ignorance, a departing from the truth, an error, mistake, delusion
Error, personif., = Atē, the inspirer of folly or judicial blindness, Ov. M. 12, 59.
But all these discussions are missing the point. Here in 2Thes.2 we are seeing a restrainer of a horrendous entity of evil. We are looking here at a blasphemer against the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The hideous thing is a destroyer of all that is sacred. He has set himself against God's holy city Jerusalem. We have not seen such evil in a ruler since the days of Antiochus in 168 B.C. This is that beast demon spirit that will transform the peacemaking Antichrist into the abominably evil 666 Beast of the Apocalypse. an antichristian force of the ultimate climactic abominable evil. We have not seen such unrestrained evil before.CLICK TO SEE IF YOU WANT TO BE AN END-TIME SORCERER JOHN DEFINED AS RHETORICIANS, SINGERS AND INSTRUMENT PLAYERS UNDER THE BABYLON MOTHER OF HARLOTS. Randy Harris and the progressives say FOLLOW ME: I KNOW NOTHING. That's what Christ promised in 2 Thessalonians: He sends strong delusions through strong deluders and the PROOF is lying wonders.
This person the prophet Daniel and the apostle John describe is a malevolent and godless personage speaking abominable and unheard of things. We are looking here at a person of ultimate evil.
"Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our assembling to meet him, we beg you, brethren, not to be quickly shaken in mind or excited, either by spirit or by word, or by letter purporting to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God." (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 RSV) RESOURCE
Although he identifies himself as a preacher, he tells us he does a bit of light gambling (p. 40). He enjoys movies about Satan (p. 39). He laughingly tells us he lied (p. 61).THE FOUNDATION IS THE LIE THAT CHURCHES OF CHRIST SECTED OUT OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH.
He concludes this section by saying, "What I've described to you is basically my postmodernism. That is, I am learning to make peace with a loss of certainty." In contrast, Jesus said, "Ye shall know the truth" (John 8:32).
[12] Harris feels the historic evidence for Christ's resurrection is not compelling. He says "It is somewhere between Elvis at the 7-11 and the Gettysburg Address." He goes on to say, "The Holy Spirit is the continuing presence of God that testifies in us to the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (p. 79). I do believe that the Holy Spirit dwells in the heart of each Christian, but I am curious about the way and manner of the Spirit's testifying to Bro. Harris. Is it by dreams and visions, or a still small voice? Is it like the trumpet sound on Sinai or a nudge within? The Spirit speaks to me and every other Christian through the Scripture, which he guided chosen men to write (II Pet. 1:20-21). Any other communications are of uncertain origin.
[7] He has a low view of Scripture. He speaks of the Apostle John "toss(ing) in little throwaway lines..." "John does this stuff on the Holy Spirit that we don't see in the synoptic" (p. 77). He thinks Paul "made a mess of the Corinthian's situation." Of Esther, he says "there is this crazy book of Esther" (p.89).
"I am a postmodern, mystic, panentheist. Happily situated in Churches of Christ. And I am going nowhere. You can be a postmodern, mystic, panentheist and be perfectly happy in this tradition" (p. 95).
[22] The most disturbing thing about this worthless book is that its author works as a mentor of students at ACU. He works "mostly with Bible majors" (p. 31). This helps explain the growing number of congregations, staffed by ACU-trained preachers, that have abandoned the goal of being the Church revealed in the Bible. They have settled for being like the Christian Churches rather than the old biblical model.
TO THE CONTRARY, THE CHURCHES OF CHRIST NEVER JOINED THE SAME LOSTNESS OF THE STONEITES.
We will show that the use of INSTRUMENTS along with SINGING is the clear definition of witchcraft or sorcery. The problem with the Progressive Church of Christ Sectarians is that they do not and perhaps CANNOT read the Words of Christ and define words within the context of the writings. It is true that Paul said that until they were converted (Baptized) the Jews would not be able to HEAR the word PREACHED by being READ in the synagogue or read BLACK text on BROWN paper.In The Christian Messenger for November, 1834, is quoted an article from the Millennial Harbinger (Campbell's paper) as follows:
"Or does he (Stone) think that one or two individuals, of and for themselves, should propose and effect a formal union among the hundred of congregations scattered over this continent, called Christians or Disciples, without calling upon the different congregations to express an opinion or a wish upon the subject?
We discover, or think we discover, a squinting at [14] some sort of precedency or priority in the claims of the writer of the above article," etc.
It is well known that Mr. Campbell insisted upon immersion before believers were received into fellowship, to which Stone answered:
"We cannot, with our present views, unite on the opinions that unimmersed persons cannot receive remission of sins."It is utterly impossible in the "fellowship cult" to accept the unbaptized as members meaning to participate and teach without TEACHING that Christ in the prophets was lying and that Jesus in fulfilment was lying about the commands to be baptized.
And though later on Stone came to believe in immersion in water for the remission of sins, there is no evidence that he ever made it a test of fellowship. And Stone DENIED that he could unite with the Church of Christ.
Jay Guin: The Future of the Church of Christ
Liminality
There’s actually a technical word for the mess we find ourselves in: “liminality.” It’s a term from anthropology. It’s the condition of a human society that has just experienced major change. At times of liminality, people feel unsettled and make many false starts before finding a new status quo. This is from Wikipedia –
The liminal state is characterized by ambiguity, openness, and indeterminacy. One’s sense of identity dissolves to some extent, bringing about disorientation. Liminality is a period of transition where normal limits to thought, self-understanding, and behavior are relaxed – a situation which can lead to new perspectives.
CHANGE SUCH AS PROMISE KEEPERS PROMOTED DISSOCIATION OR DRIVING INTO MILD SCHIZOPHRENIA.
For instance, the "men's movement" makes its appeal through the phallic religion of ancient paganism and modern phylosophy and everyone gets aroused and falls into line:
"It is Noll's thesis that Carl Jung created a select, elite group of spiritual initiates that would lead the rest of society to redemption [Jubilee was always connected to redemption and atonement].
Jung was influenced by Eugen Diederichs who "called for just such a spiritual aristocracy to lead" post-war Germany. (p. 87)
Diederichs also, believed that "being truly religious means being irrational" and that his calling as a publisher was to "push the irrationalist character of religion into the foreground" and assist in creating "a new mythos" or "mystique" (paradigm) for the spiritual reawakening of the Germanic peoples."
See Rubel Shelly and Randy Harris using Narrative Theology to do a second incarnation to turn the loss of Grace because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai into a "paradigm" for worship and community. Those following Satan are reincarnated as "our spiritual fathers."
"Jung was also influenced by Count Hermann Keyserling and was a prominent lecturer at Keyserling's Schule der Weisheit (School of Wisdom) which taught yoga and other esoteric doctrines.
"Keyserling trained his metaphysically superior elite to
lead the spiritual reawakening of the world.His goal was "to develop sages from fragments of men" and to develop "the true leader of the future"...the metaphysically "chosen" agents of cultural change in the modern world. (Noll. p. 94)
"Was Jung a utopian? According to Noll, Jung hoped that through his methods of psychoanalysis that his
"patients would not only heroically suffer psychological crucifixions and heal themselves, but afterwards they could redeem society as well by becoming initiates of this new secret wisdom of the ages...
In a section on "Individuation and Collectivity"... Jung proposes linking individual spiritual development with the fate of humankind, using such statements as,
"The individual is obliged by the collective demands to purchase his individuation at the cost of equivalent work for the benefit of society." (p. 232)
Noll concludes, informing movements to "move you into the presence of God" through song, music and dance:
"Through the techniques Jung taught his patients, which he expected them to practice well after therapy was over, they could access the religious wisdom of the ages. If they survived the initial ordeal without permanent damage,
they could announce these insights from the ancestors and apply them to the rest of society, thereby redeeming humanity by leading it to a spiritual awakening.
As these initiates, the elite corps of the individuated, can receive information directly from the collective unconscious (the land of the ancestors or the dead),
they have the advantage and, indeed, the obligation, to proselytize this new doctrine for the benefit of society. (The Jung Cult: Origins of a Charismatic Movement by Richard Noll (Princeton University Press, 1994, p. 232-233)
If we are to repeat history, that nervous "end of the cycle" feeling will be acted out in a feeding-frenzy to establish "new programs" and to decide who will be the next "god-king" to lead us safely into the next millennium. This may look like signs of spiritual health but many observers note that it may be the "death rattles" of a Word-starved dying civilizations. Amos and Isaiah spoke of that music/starvation theme. Using the "wine" symbol, one observer noted that --
"Jingling, banging, and rattling accompanied heathen cults, and the frenzying shawms of a dozen ecstatic cries intoxicated the masses. Amid this euphoric farewell feast of a dying civilization, the voices of nonconformists were emerging from places of Jewish and early Christian worship ..." (Encyclopedia Judaica, 1971 ed., s.v. "Music")
In worship, this death-spasm may result because its "spirit" is "excitement" or "wine" rather than "Word" which gives life. By not anchoring faith in Christ's power to accomplish His task during His first advent the world might drug the church and its dying gasp might look exciting. This breakdown usually happens because --
The Aztecs are a dead affect image for Rubel Shelly and Randy Harris."Based on the concept of an organic pattern in the life course of civilization, a morphology of history: the idea that every culture has its period of youth, its period of culmination, its years then of beginning to totter with age and of striving to hold itself together by means of rational planning, projects, and organization, only finally to terminate in decrepitude, petrification... and no more life. Moreover, in this view of Spengler's, we were at present on the point of passing from what he called the period of Culture to Civilization, which is to say, from our periods of youthful, spontaneous, and wonderful creativity to those of
uncertainty and anxiety, contrived programs, and the beginning of the end." (Campbell, Joseph, Myths to Live By, p. 84)
Therefore, just as they tried to "relight the fires" in king David but couldn't prevent his death, on page 88 Campbell (like Amos) notes that the period of "dying" is always marked by a "wine-like" urge which "resurrects" the Aztec pattern. While these urges are often the product of the immature Campbell notes that--
"Yet there is a great religious fervor and ferment evident among not only young people but old and middle-aged as well. The fervor, however, is in a mystical direction, and the teachers who seem to be saying most to many are those who have come to us
from a world that was formerly regarded as having left altogether behind in the great press forward of modern civilization, representing only archaic, out-lived manners of thinking. We have gurus galore..."
Drugs and Wine as Evidence of Mind Control
People under stress often return to ancient religious forms and beliefs because the "gods don't work any more." The universal belief of these systems was that true religion is best illustrated by drugs (wine or ecstasy as at Cane Ridge) which forces the "worship services" into an exciting period which "meets my needs" and brings me face to face with the "god" who hides except at periodic festivals. The ritual literally forced the gods to do what they didn't want to do. In the symbolism of the gospel of wine, the ritual feeds the exhausted wine with new yeast so that it releases its energies and "turns us on."
Unfortunately, the "turn on" demands a bigger and bigger "fix." Campbell notes the same urge in most native religions. We note again:
"Now the first and most important effect of a living mythological symbol is to waken and give guidance to the energies of life. It is an energy-releasing and directing sign, which not only 'turns you on,' as they say today,
but turns you on in a certain direction,
making you function a certain way--whichwill be one conducive to your participation in the life and purposes of a functioning social group." (Campbell, p. 89).
"when the symbols provided by the social group no longer work, and the symbols that do work are no longer of the group, the individual cracks away, becomes disassociated and disoriented, and we are confronted with what can only be named a pathology of the symbol." (Campbell, p. 89).
7107.qatsaph, kaw-tsaf´; a primitive root; to crack off, i.e. (figuratively) burst out in rage:—(be) anger(-ry), displease, fret self, (provoke to) wrath (come), be wroth.
"That the spiritualistic and the legalistic are not polar opposites but in fact correlatives has been one of the discoveries of this study... If the Spirit does not come to us freely in Christ then
we must go to him through some kind of spiritual achievement and
this means, ultimately, via law.
"One of the most striking aspects of the Scrolls is the coincidence in them of a 'legalistic' and a 'charismatic' piety." (Bruner, A Theology of the Holy Spirit, p. 229)
Signs of the Times Warning
Jeremiah connected the need for professional (professional worship music was always spiritual adultery) "musical worship teams" to the end-time period of a people. They were lost but didn't want to repent.
The solution, then and now, is to create artificial feelings of worship (sad songs or happy "praise" songs but no teaching songs) by the use of women trained to create a tranquilizing drug for the rational mind (endorphin) so their emotional nature could bear their lostness.
Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Consider ye, and call for the mourning (strike a musical note) women, that they may come; and send for cunning women, that they may come: Jeremiah 9:17
And let them make haste, and take up a wailing for us, that our eyes may run down with tears, and our eyelids gush out with waters. Jeremiah 9:18
But, Jesus cast out the musical minstrels more or less violently like dung.
Jay Guin thinks that having erradicated the olden Church of Christ is him CASTING OUT DEMONS!
Jay Guin: Liminality can be good, if it opens us to new and deeper truths. But it will be bad indeed if we wind up nothing but confused or, worse yet, landing in the wrong spot. We need to think about how to get past the confusion and focus on the new and deeper truths.
I suppose that means getting visions (Lucado) or hearing audible voices (Shelly) or having the Spirit person speak to you beyond the sacred pages?
(Luke 11:24-26) “When an evil spirit comes out of a man, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. Then it says, ‘I will return to the house I left.’ 25 When it arrives, it finds the house swept clean and put in order. 26 Then it goes and takes seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that man is worse than the first.”
CHRIST LED AMOS TO WARN ABOUT THIS VERY THING.
THUS hath the Lord God shewed unto me: and behold a basket of summer fruit. Amos 8:1
And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit.
Then said the Lord unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel;
I will not again pass by them any more. Amos 8:2
Amos 8:3 And the songs of the temple shall be howlings in that day,Keluwb (h3619) kel-oob'; from the same as 3611; a bird-trap (as furnished with a clap-stick or treadle to spring it); hence a basket (as resembling a wicker cage): - basket, cage.
As a cage is full of birds, so are their houses full of deceit: therefore they are become great, and waxen rich. Je.5:27
Keleb (h3611) keh'leb; from an unused root mean. to yelp, or else to attack; a dog; hence (by euphemism) a male prostitute: - dog.
For dogs have compassed me: the assembly [multitude, swarm] of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. Ps.22:16
Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter. Is.56:11
And I will appoint over them four kinds, saith the Lord: the sword to slay, and the dogs to tear, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the earth, to devour and destroy. Je.15:3
saith the Lord GOD: there shall be many dead bodies in every place;
they shall cast them forth with silence.
Amos 8:4 Hear this, O ye that swallow up the needy, even to make the poor of the land to fail,Amos 8:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord GOD,
that I will cause the sun to go down at noon,
and I will darken the earth in the clear day:
Amos 8:10 And I will turn your feasts into mourning, and all your songs into lamentation;
and I will bring up sackcloth upon all loins, and baldness upon every head;
and I will make it as the mourning of an only son, and the end thereof as a bitter day.
Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD,Matthew.11.html
Iamblichus They accordingly not only turn aside from evil action, but through the words, it is manifest in its forms and changes the impulse to a contrary direction.
6. These opinions were anciently entertained, the universe itself being regarded not as a fabric but as a birth, a creation or genesis, and evolution. But the philosophers generally disapproved of the doleful rites and immodest speech. Plutarch enumerates the various practices, such as the eating of raw flesh, the days of fasting and mourning for the slain divinity, (Matthew XI, 16; Amos VIII, 10) and the uttering of filthy and unseemly language.
He explains that they were "not in honor of the gods, but rather to avert, mollify and appease the wrath of evil dæmons." The Emperor Julian, however, forbade the using of words that should not be spoken or heard.
that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water,
but of hearing the words of the LORD:
Amos 8:12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east,
they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.
Amos 8:13 In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst.
Luke 11:23 He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.
Luke 11:24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places,
seeking rest; and finding none, he saith,
I will return unto my house whence I came out.
For I was an hungered, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink; I was a stranger, and ye took me not in; naked, and ye clothed me not; sick, and ye visited me not: I was in prison, and ye came not unto me.I made your ears that ye might hear the Scriptures;
and ye prepared them for the songs of demons, and lyres, and jesting.I made your eyes that you might see the light of my commandments, and keep them; and ye called in fornication and wantonness, and opened them to all other manner of uncleanness.
I prepared your mouth for the utterance of adoration, and praise, and psalms, and spiritual odes,
and for the exercise of continuous reading;
and ye fitted it to railing, and swearing, and blasphemies, while ye sat and spoke evil of your neighbours.I made your hands that ye might stretch them forth in prayers and supplications, and ye put them forth to robberies, and murders, and the killing of each other. I ordained your feet to walk in the preparation of the Gospel of peace, both in the churches and the houses of my saints; and ye taught them to run to adulteries, and fornications, and theatres, and dancings, and elevations.135
Lenski wrote of 1 Cor 10--
"It is a great mistake to imagine that back of their idolatry and their idol sacrifices there is nothing but an empty vacuity. True enough, as 8:4 makes plain, the gods of the idols have no existence whatever; no being by the name of Jupiter exists, and this is true with respect to all other gods.
But something does exist, something that is far more terrible than these pseudo-gods, namely an entire kingdom of darkness which is hostile to God, a host of demons or fallen angels who are ruled by the greatest of their number, namely Satan, Eph. 2:3; 6:12. (Lenski)
Eph. 2:2 in which once ye did walk according to the age of this world,
according to the ruler of the authority of the air,
of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience,
Eph. 2:3 among whom also we all did walk once in the desires of our flesh,
doing the wishes of the flesh and of the thoughts,
and were by nature children of wrath — as also the others,
YOU CANNOT DEFEAT SATAN IF YOU USE THE WEAPONS OR INSTRUMENTS OF SATANL
Eph. 6:10 As to the rest, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might;
Eph. 6:11 put on the whole armour of God, for your being able to stand against the wiles of the devil,
Eph. 6:12 because we have not the wrestling with blood and flesh,
but with the principalities, with the authorities, with the world-rulers of the darkness of this age,
with the spiritual things of the evil in the heavenly places;
We do NOT wrestle against flesh and blood:
Pale (g3823) pal'-ay; from pallo, (to vibrate; another form for 906); wrestling: - / wrestle
Pallô, poise, sway a missile before it is thrown, sway, brandish, she drove it furiously, tripped on the shield-rim, quiver, leap, esp. in fear, II. Pass., swing, dash oneself, Pi.N.5.21; vibrate, of strings, Pl.Phd.94c (psalloito ap. Stob.); leap, bound, quiver, quake, phrena deimati pallôn S.OT153 (lyr.); dash along, of horses, E.El.477 (lyr.). spring upon ephallomai, leap, bound E.El.435
Euripides, Bacchae: Already like fire does this insolence of the Bacchae blaze up, a great reproach for the Hellenes. [780] But we must not hesitate. Go to the Electran gates, bid all the shield-bearers and riders of swift-footed horses to assemble, as well as all who brandish the light shield and pluck bowstrings with their hands, so that we can make an assault against [785] the Bacchae. For it is indeed too much if we suffer what we are suffering at the hands of women.
Canto: III. In the lang. of religion, as v. n. or a., to use enchantments, charms, incantations, to enchant, to charm, cantata Luna, exorcised by magic, ignis, Cantus With instruments, a playing, music: in nervorum vocumque cantibus, citharae, horribili stridebat tibia cantu
Incentor, one who sets the tune or begins to sing, a precentor, singer, carminis, incentore canam Phoebo Musisque magistris. [Phoebe=fear=Apollo or Abaddon]
II. Trop., an inciter, exciter: igneus turbarum, rebellionis totius meaning "a renewal of war, revolt, rebellion"
Magicus, belonging to magic, magic, magical. superstitiones, vanitates, that were invoked by incantations:
linguae= skilled in incantations, cantus, magicae resonant ubi Memnone chordae, mysteriousWHY THE PROGRESSIVES WHO GO BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN HAVE ALREADY FALLEN
Eph. 6:13 because of this take ye up the whole armour of God,
that ye may be able to resist in the day of the evil, and all things having done — to stand.
Eph. 6:14 Stand, therefore, having your loins girt about in truth, and having put on the breastplate of the righteousness,
Eph. 6:15 and having the feet shod in the preparation of the good-news of the peace;
Eph. 6:16 above all, having taken up the shield of the faith,
in which ye shall be able all the fiery darts of the evil one to quench,
DON'T GET SHOT WITH LOVE ARROWS.
Too bad for Jay, but an UNCLEAN spirit is an UNBAPTIZED spirit made into A holy spirit when we obey the direct command to be baptized: this commandment was to be until the end of the world.-Prometheus [645] For visions of the night, always haunting my maiden chamber, sought to beguile me with seductive words, saying: “O damsel greatly blessed of fortune, why linger in your maidenhood so long when it is within your power to win a union of the highest? Zeus is inflamed by passion's dart [650] for you and is eager to unite with you in love. Do not, my child, spurn the bed of Zeus, but go forth to Lerna's meadow land of pastures deep and to your father's flocks and where his cattle feed, so that the eye of Zeus may find respite from its longing.”-Horace Odes 2.8
Ay, Venus smiles; the pure nymphs smile, (Zoe, Lucifer)
And Cupid, tyrant-lord of hearts,
Sharpening on bloody stone the while
His fiery darts.
New captives fill the nets you weave;
New slaves are bred; and those before,
Though oft they threaten, never leave
Your godless door.
-Nympha a bride, mistress, goddess, the Muses-Verg. Ecl. 7
I let my business wait upon their sport.
So they began to sing, voice answering voice
in strains alternate--for alternate strains (contending, stretching strings)
the Muses then were minded to recall--
first Corydon, then Thyrsis in reply.
-Ludo B. To play, sport, frisk, frolic: “dum se exornat, nos volo Ludere inter nos,” have some fun,CORYDON
Esp., to play on an instrument of music, to make or compose music or song:
B. To sport, dally, wanton (cf. "amorous play," Milton, P. L. 9, 1045): “scis solere illam aetatem tali ludo ludere,” Plaut. Most. 5, 2, 36: affatim edi, bibi, lusi, Liv. Andron. ap. Paul. ex Fest. s. v. affatim, p. 11 Müll.; cf.: “lusisti satis, edisti satis, atque bibisti,” Hor. Ep. 2, 2, 214; Ov. A. A. 2, 389; Cat. 61, 207; Suet. Tib. 44; Mart. 11, 104, 5.— to imitate work, make believe work,
-lūdus , i, m. id., (a). In gen.: “hoc praetore ludos Apollini faciente,” “fidicinus,” music-school, id. Rud. prol. 43: “litterarius,” id. Merc. 2, 2, 32: “litterarum ludi,” Liv. 3, 44; 6, 25: “ludus discendi,” Cic. Q. Fr. 3, 4, 6: “Dionysius Corinthi dicitur ludum aperuisse,” id. Fam. 9, 18, 1:
“Libethrian Nymphs, who are my heart's delight, (carmen)
grant me, as doth my Codrus, so to sing--
next to Apollo he--or if to this (ABADDON, APOLLYON)
we may not all attain, my tuneful pipe
here on this sacred pine shall silent hang.”
numpho-lêptos , on, A.caught by nymphs : hence, raptured, frenzied,Eph. 6:17 and the helmet of the salvation receive,
and the sword of the Spirit, which is the saying of God,
Akathar-tos , on, (kathairō) 3. ofthings, notpurgedaway, unpurged, S.OT256, Pl.Lg.854b.
II. Act., not fit for cleansing, [“pharmaka helkeōn akathartotera” Aret.CD1.8.
mani-ōdēs , es,2. like a madman, crazy, “huposkhesis” Th.4.39; “kai to m. mantikēn pollēn ekhei” E.Ba.299; “m. panta tanthrōpōn holōs” Alex.219.9; “kunas m. kai duspeithestatas” X. Mem.4.1.3: Comp. -esteron ē kata . . J.AJ2.12.2. Adv. -“dōs” Gal. 5.415, Paul.Aeg.3.6, Sch.Theoc.1.83.II. causing madness, Dsc. 1.68, 4.68; “himasthlē Panos
Luke 11:25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
Luke 11:26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself;
and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.
Ponēros , a, on, in physical sense,
2. of things, toilsome, painful, grievous, “erga” Hom.Epigr.14.20; “nousōn ponēroteron” Thgn. 274; “phortion” Ar.Pl.352.Jay Guin: I think about this passage a lot, actually. We’ve swept the house clean. What do we put in it now?
Why, we just preach the Gospel of the Kingdom: inclusive and exclusive.
Matt. 11:28 Come unto me,
all ye that labour
and are heavy laden,
and I will give you rest.-Phortos is less complicated but is the same meaning as Phortos
A. load, freight, cargo, Od.8.163, 14.296, Hes.Op. 631, Hdt.1.1, S.Tr.537, and later Prose, as PEnteux.2.11 (iii B. C.), Plu.Marc.14, Luc.VH1.34; epoiēsanto me ph., expld. as pepragmateumai, prodedomai, phortos gegenēmai, Call.Fr.4.10P.; ph. erōtos, of Europa on the bull, Batr.78, cf. Nonn.D.4.118.III. mass of detail, 'stuff', in semi-colloquial sense, Aret.CD1.4
The burden in Greek includes:
Epōd-os , on, (epadō) A. singing to or over, using songs or charms to heal wounds, “epōdoi muthoi” Pl.Lg.903b.
b. Subst., enchanter, “e. kai goēs” E.Hipp. 1038 (but “goēs e.” Ba.234): c. gen., a charm for or against, “ethusen hautou paida epōdon Thrēkiōn aēmatōn” A.Ag.1418 ; e. tōn toioutōn one to charm away such fears, Pl.Phd.78a.
2. Epōdos, ho, verse or passage returning at intervals, in Alcaics and Sapphics, D.H.Comp.19 ; chorus, burden, refrain, Ph. 1.312 : metaph., ho koinos hapasēs adoleskhias e. the 'old story', Plu.2.507
BURDEN IS: Epoiēsanto A. make, produce, first of something material, as manufactures, works of art,
Explained as pepragmateumai, prodedomai, phortos gegenēmai,
A. Pragmateuomai work at at thing, labour to bring it about, take in hand, treat laboriously, be engaged in. Work at writing religious poetry for use around the shrine or Hieros the temple of Athena for the hierodoulo
Hierodoulos Nethinim 1 Esdras 1:2 especially of the temple courtesans at Corinth and elsewhere also male prostitutes. Str.8.6.20, 6.2.6; Neokoros
BURDEN IS: II. Att., vulgar stuff, rubbish, balderdash, Ar.Pax748 (anap.) Pl.796.
Aristoph. Peace 748 Chorus
The Chorus turns and faces the audience.
Undoubtedly the comic poet who [735] mounted the stage to praise himself in the parabasis would deserve to be handed over to the sticks of the beadles. Nevertheless, oh Muse, if it be right to esteem the most honest and illustrious of our comic writers at his proper value, permit our poet to say that he thinks he has deserved a glorious renown. First of all, he is the one who has compelled his rivals no longer [740] to scoff at rags or to war with lice;
and as for those Heracleses, always chewing and ever hungry,
he was the first to cover them with ridicule and to chase them from the stage;
he has also dismissed that slave, whom one never failed to set weeping before you, [745] so that his comrade might have the chance of jeering at his stripes and might ask, “Wretch, what has happened to your hide? Has the lash rained an army of its thongs on you and laid your back waste?” After having delivered us from all these wearisome ineptitudes and these low buffooneries,
he has built up for us a great art, like a palace with high towers,
[750] constructed of fine phrases, great thoughts and of jokes not common on the streets.
Moreover it's not obscure private persons or women that he stages in his comedies; but, bold as Heracles, it's the very greatest whom he attacks, undeterred by the fetid stink of leather or the threats of hearts of mud.Matt. 11:29 Take my yoke upon you,
and learn of me;
for I am meek and lowly in heart:
and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Matt. 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light
Laden is:Impure Religion is: Phortizo (g5412) for-tid'-zo; from 5414; to load up (prop. as aa vessel or animal), i.e. (fig.) to overburden with ceremony or spiritual anxiety: - lade, be heavy laden.Threskeia (g2356) thrace-ki'-ah; from a der. of 2357; ceremonial observance: - religion, worshipping.
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshiping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, Col.2:18Jay Guin: When I use the term, I mean a church that rejects salvation by works, including salvation based on any doctrine other than the gospel — the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus. (Again, please read Parts I and II of Do We Teach Another Gospel?
Christ prophesied and Jesus fulfilled the prophecies of the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM: the "core" gospel is what Jesus Christ did and we cannot do. It is called a TUPOS which is a pattern capable of being imitated. Paul in Romans 6 says that only when we have OBEYED that FORM of teachings of Jesus Christ are we THEN FREE FROM SIN. if you join Jay's Progressive Church of Christ you may be hindered from OBEYING the direct command of Jesus Christ.
IF YOU BELIEVE THE BIBLE'S STATEMENT ABOUT BAPTISM YOU ARE EXCLUDED FROM THE PROGRESSIVE SECT.
Christ in Spirit prophesied and the eunuch understood:
16. to me, new moon and sabbaths, calling of reading meetings, I am not able to endure even the sacred assembly. (14) Your new moons and seasonal feasts
17. my soul hates, they are a burden to me, I am tired of bearing them. (15) And when you spread your hands I will hide my eyes
18. from you, also when you multiply prayer I will not listen, your hands are full of blood. [+and your fingers+] [Aramaic]
19. [+of iniquity+] (16) Wash and make yourselves clean and turn away the evil of your habitual practices from before my eyes, stop doing evil. (17) LearnIsa 1:16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;20. to do well, pursue judgement, bless the oppressed, judge the orphan, contend for the widow. (PP)
Rachac (h7364) raw-khats'; a prim. root; to lave (the whole or a part of a thing): - bathe (self), wash (self).
21. Please come and let us reason together says YHWH,
if your sins are like scarlet they shall be white as snow
22. if they be as red as crimson they shall be as wool.
If you are obedient and you give heed (Audio) then of the good of the Land [{you shall eat. BE WISE}]
But if you refuse and you rebel you will be devoured by the sword because the mouth of YHWH has said it. 23
YOU CANNOT CAUSE WIDOWS TO CAST THEMSELVES OUT OF THEIR SYNAGOGUE!
Is. 1:23 Thy princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them.
Does Jay Guin wish to say that Christ in Spirit was promoting demonism? Do all of the LISTED progressives agree.
Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized:
and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Acts 2:47 praising God, and having favour with all the people,
and the Lord was adding those being saved every day to the assembly.
Christ PROPHESIED, Jesus of Nazareth whom God the Father made to be both Lord and Christ Fulfilled it
Mark 16:14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat,
and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart,
because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
Mark 16:15 And he said unto them,
Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Does Jay Guin wish to say that Christ in Spirit was promoting demonism? Do all of the LISTED progressives agree. If you want to REALLY worship Demons here is how it is done
Clement of Alezandria Chapter XIII.-Origin of Idolatry.See Alexander Hislop The Great Red Dragon
"But when all these things were done, men turned again to impiety; [There is a similar chapter in Homily IX. 7, but in a discourse: on the following day.-R.] and on this account a law was given by God to instruct them in the manner of living.
But in process of time, the worship of God and righteousness were corrupted by the unbelieving and the wicked, as we shall show more fully by and by.
Moreover, perverse and erratic religions were introduced, to which the greater part of men gave themselves up,
by occasion of holidays and solemnities, instituting drinkings and banquets,
following pipes, and flutes, and harps, and diverse kinds of musical instruments, and indulging themselves in all kinds of drunkenness and luxury.Hence every kind of error took rise; hence they invented groves and altars, fillets and victims, and after drunkenness they were agitated as if with mad emotions.
By this means power was given to the demons to enter into minds of this sort, so that they seemed to lead insane dances and to rave like Bacchanalians; hence were invented the gnashing of teeth, and bellowing from the depth of their bowels; hence a terrible countenance and a fierce aspect in men, so that he whom drunkenness had subverted and a demon had instigated, was believed by the deceived and the erring to be filled with the Deity.
Chapter VII.-Sacrificial Orgies.
"But they did not cease to worship images, by reason of the evil intelligence of the magicians, who found excuses for them, which had power to constrain them to the foolish worship For, establishing this things by magical ceremonies, they assigned them feasts from sacrifices, libations, flutes, and shoutings,
by means ofj which senseless men, being deceived, and their kingdom being taken from them, yet did not desist from the worship that they had taken up with.
To such an extent did they prefer error, on account of its pleasantness, before truth.
They also howl after their sacrificial surfeit, their soul from the depth, as it were by dreams, forewarning them of the punishment that is to befall such deeds of theirs.
Jay Guin: if this doesn’t make sense to you.) A church that projects contemporary music on the screen, dresses casually, and denies the salvation of those who use the instrument is not progressive. A church that accepts as saved all baptized penitent believers but which sings Stamps-Baxter out of hymn books is progressive. At least, that’s how I like to use the term.
Chapter XIII.-Origin of Idolatry.
See Alexander Hislop The Great Red Dragon
"But when all these things were done, men turned again to impiety; [There is a similar chapter in Homily IX. 7, but in a discourse: on the following day.-R.] and on this account a law was given by God to instruct them in the manner of living.
But in process of time, the worship of God and righteousness were corrupted by the unbelieving and the wicked, as we shall show more fully by and by.
Moreover, perverse and erratic religions were introduced, to which the greater part of men gave themselves up,
by occasion of holidays and solemnities, instituting drinkings and banquets,
following pipes, and flutes, and harps, and diverse kinds of musical instruments, and indulging themselves in all kinds of drunkenness and luxury.Hence every kind of error took rise; hence they invented groves and altars, fillets and victims, and after drunkenness they were agitated as if with mad emotions.
By this means power was given to the demons to enter into minds of this sort, so that they seemed to lead insane dances and to rave like Bacchanalians; hence were invented the gnashing of teeth, and bellowing from the depth of their bowels; hence a terrible countenance and a fierce aspect in men, so that he whom drunkenness had subverted and a demon had instigated, was believed by the deceived and the erring to be filled with the Deity.
Chapter VII.-Sacrificial Orgies.
"But they did not cease to worship images, by reason of the evil intelligence of the magicians, who found excuses for them, which had power to constrain them to the foolish worship For, establishing this things by magical ceremonies, they assigned them feasts from sacrifices, libations, flutes, and shoutings,
by means ofj which senseless men, being deceived, and their kingdom being taken from them, yet did not desist from the worship that they had taken up with.
To such an extent did they prefer error, on account of its pleasantness, before truth.
They also howl after their sacrificial surfeit, their soul from the depth, as it were by dreams, forewarning them of the punishment that is to befall such deeds of theirs.
The idea of music as a demonic art implies that music is not considered on its merits alone, but points beyond itself and man to the demonic. Thus music can be understood as an invention and inspiration of demons, indeed almost as a demonic possession.
It may be interpreted as an imitation or image of demonic prototypes. The musician may be conceived of as a servant or assistant of demons. Demonic music may seduce or destroy human beings.
Conversely, however, demons can be influenced, conjured up, or exorcised by means of music. These notions are intimately related, although mostly antithetically, to those of music as a divine art [see next article]. Here too there is a characteristic connection with religion and the history of religion.
Of course, a precise definition of the demonic, e.g., by opposition to the divine, is not possible for all epochs. There are fluctuations in many areas. And only in cases where some antecedent division between (good) divinities and (evil) demons is already established can a corresponding dualism arise likewise in musical perspectives. Such conceptions had already been encoun tered quite early.
Like the ideas of music as a divine art, they extend from magical, via mythological, down to theological and philosophical, forms of thought and remain active at least into the baroque period.
Thereafter they fall victim in the course of a general process of secularization to an increasingly rational skepticism.
1. Primitive Peoples. The sounds of nature (thunder, water, wind, echo) seem to early man to be the voices of demonic beings, and a spirit is locked within the sounding instrument.
The narcotic ecstasy induced by music and dance is seen as superhumanly and demonically inspired. It leads to union with the demon world, or to participation in it,
or may serve as protection against it. Different kinds of music correspond respectively to different kinds of demon.
Certain demons have a special music pertaining to them, by which they may be influenced.
At all events, music and dance play an altogether central part in all activities of magic and witchcraft.
The power of shamans and medicine men depends on knowledge and mastery of the musical devices in this connection.
Similar magical-demonic elements survive in music, often more slightly modified, well into historical times. They may be recognized without difficulty even today in the concerted pealing of church bells, in the blowing of alphorns at the onset of darkness to frighten off evil demons, or even as a romantic evocation of atmosphere in advanced music, as, for example, in the Wolves' Ravine scene in Carl Maria von Weber's Der Freischütz.
West Africans reconstructed their native drums in the New World, preponderantly as cult instruments. Small sets of two or, more often, three drums of graded sizes form an integral part of Afro-American rituals and, in the Caribbean, also of voodoo dances.
Only the skins of sacrificial animals may be used for membranes among Afro-Bahians in Brazil, who baptize their new drums, preferably with "holy" water obtained from a Roman Catholic church.
Drums in Haiti are sacred objects and may even represent the deity itself: as such they receive libations. One type of bongo drum--there exist at least four of these--has been adopted by Western rhythm bands, as has the conga.
"Yobal (Jubal). (Note: Jubilee or "a blast of trumpets" is from Jubal which means "to lead with triumph or pomp.") and Tobalkin (Tubal-Cain), the two brethren, the sons of Lamech, the blind man, who killed Cain, invented and made all kinds of instruments (or metal weapons) of music.
"Yobal made reed instruments, and harps, and flutes, and whistles,
and the devils went and dwelt inside them.
When men blew into the pipes, the devils sang inside them,
and sent out sounds from inside them. (Note: the "familiar spirit" of the Witch of Endor was an old "lifeless instrument" made of an old water or wineskin).Tobalkin made cymbals, and sistra, and tambourines (or drums). And lasciviousness and fornication increased among the children of Cain, and they had nothing to occupy them except fornication--now they had no obligation [to pay] tribute, and they had neither prince nor governor--
and eating, and drinking, and lasciviousness, and drunkenness,
and dancing and singing to instruments of music,
and the wanton sportings of the devils, (Israel: "rose up to play" and so did David in moving the ark from God's tabernacle to his)and the laughter which affordeth pleasure to the devils,
and the sounds of the furious lust of men neighing after women. And Satan, finding [his] opportunity in this work of error, rejoiced greatly, becausethereby he could compel the sons of Seth to come down from that holy mountain. There they had been made to occupy the place of that army [of angels] that fell [with Satan], there they were beloved by God, there they were held in honour by the angels, and were called "sons of God," even as the blessed David saith in the psalm, "I have said , Ye are gods, and all of you sons of the Most High." Ps. 82:6 (In Rev 18 the craftsmen and musicians will go with Babylon the great whore into hell).
The Bible and about three dozen contemporaneous documents such as The Book of Enoch warns that if you COME DOWN to the sound of instrumental music you will NEVER be able to return. In many Biblical examples instruments which are mind-deranging weapons the sounds are the MARKS that you HAVE fallen.
If that's too rich for you, John called the rhetoricians, singers and instrument players SORCERS in Revelation 18:23. All Greek musical terms speak of enchantment, charming or sorcery. If you USE music when you are commanded to assemble to teach what Jesus Christ commanded to be taught then you are playing the role of a demon; the PLAY or musical idolatry at Mount Sinia was DEMONISM (1 Cor 10)
The professional mourners or celebrators are called only when the "body" is already dead and you need a whole profession of musical performers to do religion. Like little David playing on his harp, they are -- in a perverse way -- doing the will of the Lord because the will of the Lord is that they be destroyed after they have rejected Him and called for a professional king or a professional musical worship team.
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"Rivers of Living Water: The Savior and the Spirit in John's Gospel" is the theme of Summer Celebration 2009, set for July 1-3 on the Lipscomb University campus.
The free, three-day lecture series features keynote speakers
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In addition, more than 100 inspiring and practical sessions led by dynamic speakers from across the country including
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Patrick Mead promoting Instrumental Music
Part Two.
Rivers and Rubicons: Nadab and Abihu #6
These have progressed into somethiing like witchcraft: in fact Lynn Anderson, honored a year or so back is the FATHER of navigating the winds of change lifting the whole patternism of Wicca.
These people are so ethically and Biblically illiterate that Jesus gave them their Phd: He said "doctors of the law take away the key to knowledge." They CANNOT blush: it is like old Goober getting enough snake handlers to convince you that he is a brain surgeon: after all they must have removed their own.
Jay Guin Defending Danny Corbitt attacking Dr. Everett Ferguson against instrumental music.
- Introduction: the Instrumental Music Issue: Jay Guin................................-My Review
- God's Salvatioon, Galatians, and the Instrument: Jay Guin.Rev 12.18.10...-My Review
- The Early Church on Instrumental Music Danny Corbitt:..Rev 12.20.10... .. -My Review
- 'Thy Kingdom Come' and the Instrument: Jay Guin ........................... ...... -My Review
- Reconsidering Ephesians 5:19: Clyde Symonette......................... ......... My Review
- Psallō: Lost in the Translation? Danny Corbitt............................... ....... -My Review
- Reflective or Regulative? Al Maxey ....................Rev 12.13.10..... ........ -My Review
- An Afternoon with Rick Atchley and Chris Seidman, Part 1 My Review
- An Afternoon with Rick Atchley and Chris Seidman, Part 2 My Review
- An Afternoon with Rick Atchley and Chris Seidman, Part 3 My Review
- An Afternoon with Rick Atchley and Chris Seidman, Part 4 My Review
- Reflections on My Interview with Rick Atchley and Chris Seidman ..........-My Review
- David's Psalms and the New Testament Church: Clyde Symonette: ......... -My Review
- Beyond the Pitch Pipe: Ryan Christian:.................................................-My Review
- And So, in Conclusion: Jay Guin: ........................................................ -My Review
Review: Danny Corbitt: Missing More than MusicMatthew 28 defines worship--true and false--and the CENI principle accepted by all historic scholars.
Danny Corbitt Anti Ferguson Psalmos
Jay Guin Defending Danny Corbitt
Review: Danny Corbitt Denying Justin Martyr
Matt Dabbs--Danny Corbitt Ripening Issues
Sound Doxology: The Effeminate Worship Leader. No known exception including the Levites
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