The Nicene Creed Trinity

So in 325 C.E., Constantine, already making Christianity a legal allowable religion (unlike previous Emperors), wanted the Christians to settle their differences to bring greater unity to the State. His motives were more political than ecclesiastical, but all in all it served its purpose.

The Grace Centered Magazine promotes the later day "trinity" which has little in common with the Nicene or earlier views. We will look at their views which are common to some Catholic and Protestants non-Biblical and Anti-Biblical creeds. The agreed upon Creeds understood that the Holy Spirit OF God or OF Christ was not considered a member of a god family of three. "Personae" were aspects of the One God.  Pseudo scholars in defining God as "three separate centers of consciousness do not understand the meaning of "trinity":
The Trinity concept is not to be confused with tritheism, which is the notion of three separate deities acting together as one.
The Trinity of mainstream Christianity is seen as one God manifested as three distinct, but not separate, and co-equal persons.

The doctrine of the Trinity states that God is ONE being who exists, simultaneously and eternally,
as a mutual indwelling of three persons: God the Father, God the Son (incarnate AS Jesus of Nazareth) and the Holy Spirit (or Holy Ghost). Since earliest Christianity, one's salvation has been very closely related to the concept of a tri
iune God.

Full-ripe trinitarianism is a violent attack on Judaism and Islam: both monotheists.

The Catholic Encyclopedia also says: "In Scripture there is as yet no single term by which the Three Divine Persons are denoted together. The word [tri'as] (of which the Latin trinitas is a translation) is first found in Theophilus of Antioch about A. D. 180 . . . Shortly afterwards it appears in its Latin form of trinitas in Tertullian." However, this is no proof in itself that Tertullian taught the Trinity. The Catholic work Trinitas - A Theological Encyclopedia of the Holy Trinity, for example, notes that some of Tertullian's words were later used by others to describe the Trinity. But then it states: "But hasty conclusions cannot be drawn from usage, for he does not apply the words to Trinitarian theology." Quoted by

Comparison between Creed of 325 and Creed of 381

The following table juxtaposes the earlier (325 AD) and later (381 AD) forms of this Creed in the English translation given in Schaff's work, Creeds of Christendom, which indicates by [square brackets] the portions of the 325 text that were omitted or moved in 381, and uses italics to indicate what phrases, absent in the 325 text, were added in 381. 

The Nicene council had only one motive: to denounce Arius who denied the Deity of Jesus Christ. It had as its method to affirm the deity of Christ even though Scripture affirms that God made the man Jesus of Nazareth to be both Lord and Christ. Only in the end result does Scripture speak of Jesus Christ although it was the Christ of god or the Word of God which is the Son.
First Council of Nicea (325) First Council of Constantinople (381)
We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of all things visible and invisible. We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God,
begotten of the Father [the only-begotten;
that is, of the essence of the Father, God of God], Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds (æons), Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;
By whom all things were made [both in heaven and on earth]; by whom all things were made;
Who for us men, and for our salvation, came down and was incarnate and was made man; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin Mary, and was made man;
He suffered, and the third day he rose again, ascended into heaven; he was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered, and was buried, and the third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father;
From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead. from thence he shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead;

whose kingdom shall have no end.
And in the Holy Ghost. And in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceedeth from the Father, who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified, who spake by the prophets.

In one holy catholic and apostolic Church; we acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.
[But those who say: 'There was a time when he was not;' and 'He was not before he was made;' and 'He was made out of nothing,' or 'He is of another substance' or 'essence,' or 'The Son of God is created,' or 'changeable,' or 'alterable'—they are condemned by the holy catholic and apostolic Church.]

Nevertheless, following generations have lifted verses out of context to confuse the original intention of the Nicene Creed. As an example of the ever-inflating pseudo-Nicene Creed----

The Grace Centered Magazine caters to those who would contradict those doctrinal views of the Church of Christ which has been held under that name from the very beginning. The fundamental error of the Lipscomb University led "scholars" is called trithism which is polytheism.

The Grace Centered Magazine's Creed includes their radical modification of the Nicene Creed which does not recognize God as THREE PEOPLE all with their own centers of conscience: this is called blasphemy and John says that if you deny the ONE GOD who made the man Jesus of Nazareth both Lord and Christ you are an ANTI-Christ. That refused to give credit to Jesus the Man of Nazareth who is called A Son of God only after His baptism.
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly,
        that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified,
        both Lord and Christ.
You deny that there is One God the father in heaven and one Lord Jesus made to be Lord and Christ on earth and you have to ignore all of the salutations in Acts and the epistles:
Rom. 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle,
        separated unto the gospel of God,
Rom. 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
Rom. 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord,
        which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Rom. 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power,
        according to the spirit of holiness,
        by the resurrection from the dead:
What credit is it that Jesus came as one of the three "god people" and was able to fulfill the father's will.
1Timothy 2:5 For there is one God,
        and one mediator between God and men,
        the man Christ Jesus


Acts 13:32 And we declare unto you glad tidings,
        how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,
Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children,
        in that he hath raised up Jesus again;
        as it is also written in the second psalm,
        Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
Acts 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead,
        now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise,
         I will give you the sure mercies of David.
Acts 13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm,
        Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Acts 13:36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep,
        and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:
Acts 13:37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.
Those who try to force the Catholic (pagan) trinity on churches of Christ are forced to twist writers such as the Campbells. Alexander was disturbed that Calvin dared to call God a person much less than three persons.  However, Calvin changed his words from "personae" to three aspects in the One God.

What Presbyterians Think of the Trinity: William E. O. Phipps
"However, according to the Nicene formulation, there are three simultaneous expressions of the divine substance. Consider the several roles that an individual can play on the stage of life: In relation to our parents we are a son or a daughter; in relation to our boss or teacher we are an employee or student; in relation to our spouse we are a husband or a wife. Which is the true person? Are not all of these expressions simultaneous? When we sing, "God in three Persons" in the hymn "Holy, Holy, Holy!" (the tune "Nicaea"), we might think of three performance or relationship modes of one actor or person.

John Calvin on Genesis One is in agreement with the explanations of the Nicene Creed:
"Christians, therefore, properly contend, from this testimony, that there exists a plurality of Persons (personae in the church Fathers) in the Godhead.

God summons no foreign counsellor; hence we infer that he
finds within himself something distinct; as, in truth,
his eternal
wisdom and power reside within him.
Christians, therefore, properly contend, from this testimony, that there exists a plurality of Persons (personae in the church Fathers) in the Godhead.

He hath made the earth by his power,
he hath established the world by his wisdom,
and hath
stretched out the heaven by his understanding. Jer 51:15

When he uttereth his voice, there is a multitude of waters in the heavens;
and he
causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth:
he
maketh lightnings with rain,
and
bringeth forth the wind out of his treasures. Jer 51:16

Commentary: proof texting almost always misses the message of Christ.
THE ORIGINAL NICENE CREED
"We beleive in
one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of all things visible and invisible:-

The ONE God spoke his Word to Create: His Word and Wisdom were with him but NOT as separated god.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
        and the Word was God.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God,
    begotten of the Father [the only-begotten;
    that is, of the essence of the Father,
    God of God], Light of Light, very God of very God,
   
begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;


By whom all things were made [both in heaven and on earth];
He suffered, and the third day he rose again, ascended into heaven;
From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.

And in the Holy Ghost.

However, The WORD was the Son of God when He "spoke." In the prophets God spoke as the Spirit OF Christ. In the last days:

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly,
        that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified,
        both Lord and Christ.


[But those who say: 'There was a time when he was not;' and 'He was not before he was made;' and 'He was made out of nothing,' or 'He is of another substance' or 'essence,' or 'The Son of God is created,' or 'changeable,' or 'alterable'—they are condemned by the holy catholic and apostolic Church.]

Substantia I. that of which a thing consists, the being, essence, contents, material, substance
Ousi-a that which is one's own, one's substance, property, 5. in the concrete, the primary real, the   underlying all change and process in nature,


Grace Centered Trinity representing the Neo-trinitarian or Tritheist sect of the Church of Christ:

We believe in ONE God, (Deuteronomy 6: 4, Ephesians 4: 6)
Father, (Matthew 6: 9)
Almighty, (Exodus 6: 3)
Maker of Heaven and Earth, (Genesis 1: 1)
and of all things visible and invisible. (Colossians 1: 15-16)


THE CREED MAKERS AND SOME BIBLE TEXT SPEAK OF JESUS AS "THE CHRIST OF GOD" AFTER CHRIST (GOD, WORD) INDWELLED "A BODY PREPARED FOR ME."  JESUS OF NAZARETH DID NOT PREEXIST OTHER THAN IN THE MIND OF THE ONE GOD.

Psa 33:4 For the [1] word of the [3] Lord is right;
        and all HIS [2] works are done in truth.
Psa 33:5 HE loveth righteousness and judgment:
        the earth is full of the goodness of the Lord.  
Psa 33:6 By the [1] word of the [2] Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the [3] breath (spirit) of HIS mouth.

Psa 33:7 HE gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.  
Psa 33:8 Let all the earth fear the Lord: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of HIM.  
Psa 33:9 For he spake, and it was done;
        he commanded, and it stood fast.
Psa 33:10 The Lord bringeth the counsel of the heathen to nought:
        he maketh the devices of the people of none effect.
Psa 33:11 The counsel of the Lord standeth for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations.  
The Spirit OF Christ denied that there were three GOD persons or people:

Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts
        I am the
first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Isaiah 44:6 ( 45:21, 22)

And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them. Isaiah 44:7

Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses.    
        Is there a God
beside me
        yea,
there is no God;
        I know not an
y. Isaiah 44:8

Beside is:

Biladey (h1107) bil-ad-ay'; constr. plur. from 1077 and 5703; not till, i. e. (as prep. or adv.) except, besides: - beside, not (in), save, without

The Lord and His Redeemer are not two: the "and" is not cumulative:

This is what the LORD says--your Redeemer
        who formed you in the womb:
        I am the LORD,
who has made all things,
        who ALONE stretched out the heavens, who
        spread out the earth BY MYSELF Isaiah 44:24 
And I (God) will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, 
        that thou mayest know that I, the LORD
        which call thee by thy name, am the GOD of Israel. Isaiah 45:3
I am the LORD
        and there is none else,
        there is no GOD beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: Isaiah 45:5
That they may know from the rising of the sun (east),
        and from the west, that there is NONE BESIDE ME.
        I am THE LORD
        and there is none else. Is.45:6
I form the light, and create darkness:
        I make peace, and create evil:
         I the Lord do all these things. Isaiah 45:7
ASV [8] Don't fear, neither be afraid: haven't I declared to you of old, and shown it?
        You are my witnesses. Is there a God besides me?
        Indeed, there is not. I don't know any Rock.

Thus shall ye say unto them, 
        The GODS(elohim) that have not made the heavens and the earth,
        even they shall perish from the earth,
        and from under these heavens. Jeremiah 10:11
HE hath made the earth
        by his power,
he hath established the world
        by his wisdom, and
hath stretched out the heavens
        by his discretion. Jeremiah 10:12
When he thunders, the waters in the heavens roar;
        he makes clouds rise from the ends of the earth.
        He sends lightning with the rain
        and brings out (to and fro) the wind (spirit) from his storehouses. Jeremiah 10:13
Grace Centered Trinity: And in ONE Lord Jesus Christ, (Acts 11: 17)
Jesus of Nazareth was of the seed (sperm) of Abraham, David etc.  Jesus did not exist before HE was born: to say otherwise is to deny the meaning of the promised Messiah:

DIRECT STATEMENTS REJECTED BY GRACE CENTERED MAGAZINE.

Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens:
         but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord,
        Sit thou on my right hand,
Acts 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly,
        that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified,
        both Lord and Christ.


Rom. 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle,
        separated unto the gospel of God,
Rom. 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
Rom. 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord,
        which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Rom. 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power,
        according to the spirit of holiness,
        by the resurrection from the dead:


THEY REJECT THE CONTEXT OF THEIR TEXT:

Acts 11:16 And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, John indeed baptized with water;
        but ye shall be baptized in the Holy Spirit.
Acts 11:18 And when they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying,

Acts 11:17 If then God gave unto them the like gift as he did also unto us,
Then to the Gentiles also hath God granted repentance unto life.

when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ,
        who was I, that I could withstand God?


There is no command to believe in A Holy Spirit Person nor an anathema on those who do not.
Acts 11:19 Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch,
        preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.
The allowed posters at Grace Centered Magazine Forum are also violently opposed to Jesus' fulfilment of Christ's PREdestination in Isaiah and Malachi that we should allow ourselves to be baptized FOR the remission of sins. However, their proof texts uses words which they will not permit to be translated from the origina.
Acts 11:21 And the hand of the Lord was with them: 
        and a great number believed,
        and turned unto the Lord.
994. epistrepho, ep-ee-stref´-o; from 1909 and 4762; to revert (literally, figuratively or morally):  come (go) again, convert, (re-)turn (about, again).

4762. strepho, stref´-o; strengthened from the base of 5157; to twist, i.e. turn quite around or reverse (literally or figuratively):  convert, turn (again, back again, self, self about).

-Epi-strephô , pf.c. Philos., cause to return to the source of Being, tinas eis ta enantia kai ta prôta
b. . Pass., to be converted, return, “epi KurionLXXDe.30.2; intr., repent, ib.Ju.5.19, al., Ev.Matt.13.15,Ev.Luc.22.32, etc.
c. . Philos., cause to return to the source of Being, “tinas eis ta enantia kai ta prōta
       Proteros and prôtos    II. of Time, former, earlier, children by the first or a former marriage,
       Prosthhen in front, before, formerly, of place and of time;
                            to gennêthen phusei pros to gennêsan
-Genn-aô beget, bring forth, engender, call into existence
phusei 1 Act.:--bring forth, produce, put forth, 2. beget, engender, get understanding,
pros in the direction of
Genn-aô beget, bring forth, engender, call into existence  ho ex asōmatou gennōn logos
Acts 11:22 Then tidings of these things came unto the ears of the church which was in Jerusalem:
        and they sent forth Barnabas, that he should go as far as Antioch.
Acts 11:23 Who, when he came, and had seen the grace of God, was glad,
        and exhorted them all, that with purpose of heart they would cleave unto the Lord.
Acts 11:24 For he was a good man, and full of the Holy Ghost and of faith:
        and much people was added unto the Lord.
Grace Centered Trinity: Son of God, (Mathew 14: 33; 16: 16)
Mt 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him,
        saying
, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
And Simon Peter answered and said,
        Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. Matt 16:16
I suppose that if Jesus is the literal SON of God that makes Him younger and less powerful. We have quoted Romans where Paul says:
Rom. 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord,
        which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Rom. 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power,
        according to the spirit of holiness,
        by the resurrection from the dead:
God the One Father in heaven also confessed Jesus of Nazareth after he was baptized.
Mark 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying,
        Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Mark 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them:
        and a voice came out of the cloud, saying,
        This is my beloved Son: hear him.

We are all sons of God when we are baptized.
Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:27 For (I mean to say that) as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

No historical trinitarian--whatever the creed--ever thought that God consisted of three, separated "persons" as a family. For instance, Augustine A Treatise on Fath and the Creed wrote:

But God,

        when He begot the Word,
        begot that which He is Himself.

Neither out of nothing, nor of any material already made and founded did He then beget;
        but He begot of Himself that which He is Himself.

God the Father, on the other hand, who possessed both the will and the power to declare Himself with the utmost truth to minds designed to obtain knowledge of Him,
        with the purpose of thus declaring Himself begot this [Word]
        which He Himself is who did beget;
        which [Person] is likewise called His Power and Wisdom,
        inasmuch as it is by Him that He has wrought all things, and in order disposed them;
        of whom these words are for this reason spoken:
        "She (Wisdom) reacheth from one end to another mightily,
        and sweetly doth she order all things. "
Grace Centered Trinity: Only-Begotten, (John 1: 18; 3: 16)
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any
        time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father,
        he hath declared him.

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly,
        that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified,
        both Lord and Christ.


The Word of God was with Him in the beginning; God made Jesus of Nazareth to be His Incarnate Word. Jesus denied that he had any words to reveal of himself: what He heard He articulated.

Jesus of Nazareth did not exist before He existed.

Theophiulus of Antioch was the first to use the word "trias"

God, then, having His own Word internal within His own bowels,
........... begat Him, emitting Him
........... along with His own wisdom before all things.

He had this Word as a helper in the things that were created by Him, and by Him He made all things.

He is called "governing principle", because He rules, and is Lord of all things fashioned by Him.
He, then, being
Spirit of God, and governing principle, and wisdom, and power of the highest,
came down upon the prophets
, and through them spoke of the creation of the world and of all other things. 
(This was the Spirit of Christ, 1 Peter 1:11; Revelation 19:10)

For the prophets were not when the world came into existence,

but the wisdom [Spirit in this instance is Sophia] of God which was in Him, and
........... His holy Word which was always present with Him.

Grace Centered Trinity: Begotten of the Father before all ages. (John 1: 2)

The WORD of God is that which HE alone speaks: He begets His Own Words.  Jesus of Nazareth was prepared and given the power to articulate ONLY what He heard from the Father. 

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

Jesus of Nazareth had to be a mortal man to be of the seed of Abraham: Jesus of Nazareth began to exist when He was born of Mary. He began to be Lord and Christ when

When God "breathed" on Jesus this Spirit manifested itself in making Jesus into the personal WORD of God: the Words of the One God is His Son.
Grace Centered Trinity:  Light from Light; (Psalm 27: 1; John 8: 12; Matthew 17: 2,5)
Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image,
        in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Corinthians 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy,
        we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
2Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,
        lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ,
        who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory,
         and the express image of his person,
         and upholding all things by the word of his power,
        when he had by himself purged our sins,
        sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Grace Centered Trinity: True God from True God; (John 17: 1-5)
John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven,
        and said, Father, the hour is come;
        glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh,
        that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal,
        that they might know thee the only true God,
         and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth:
        I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Grace Centered Trinity: Begotten, not made; (John 1: 18)

If the Spirit and the Word were begotten persons of a three member godhead then both had to be conceived and went through the birth process. That would deny that either Word or Breath were god people.  On the other hand, classical trinitarians agree that the One God the Father in heaven GAVE BIRTH to His "breath" and His "word." When God "began" to speak He begate breath and spirit.

c. 170 Tatian to the Greeks Chapter V.-The Doctrine of the Christians as to the Creation of the World.

God was in the beginning; but the beginning, we have been taught, is the power of the Logos.

For the Lord of the universe, who is Himself the necessary ground (hyypostasi) of all being, in as much as no creature was yet in existence, was alone;

but in as much as He was all power, Himself the necessary ground of things visible and invisible, with Him were all things; with Him, by Logos-power, the Logos Himself also, who was in Him, subsists.

And by His simple will the Logos springs forth; and the Logos, not coming forth in vain, becomes the first-begotten work of the Father.

Him (the Logos) we know to be the beginning of the world. But He came into being by participation,
not by abscission;
for what is cut off is separated from the original substance, but that which comes by participation,
making its
choice of function, (The above seems the simplest rendering of this difficult passage, but several others have been proposed. does not render him deficient from whom it is taken.

For just as from one torch many fires are lighted, but the light of the first torch is not lessened by the kindling of many torches, so the Logos, coming forth from the Logos-power of the Father,

has not divested of the Logos-power Him who begat Him.

I myself, for instance, talk, and you hear; yet, certainly, I who converse do not become destitute of speech by the transmission of speech,

but by the utterance of my voice
I endeavour to reduce to order the unarranged matter in your minds.

And as the Logos

([Matter not eternal. He seems to have understood Gen. i. 1, of the creation of matter; and verse 2, as beginning the history of our planet and the visible universe.])

begotten in the beginning, begat in turn our world, having first created for Himself the necessary matter, so also I, in imitation of the Logos, being begotten again,

( [Supposed to be a personal reference to his conversion and baptism. As to "confused matter," it should be kindred matter, and must be set over "kindred spirit." See p. 71, cap. xiii., infra.])

and having become possessed of the truth, am trying to reduce to order the confused matter which is kindred with myself. For matter is not, like God, without beginning, nor, as having no beginning, is of equal power with God ; it is begotten, and not produced by any other being, but brought into existence by the Framer of all things alone.

God's WORD was with Him when He "Spoke" all things into existence. Jesus of Nazareth was "a body prepared for me" and the man Jesus of Nazareth was MADE TO BE both Lord and Christ: Jesus is the INCARNATE Word but did not preexist any more than His Wisdom preexisted as a person.
John 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,
         (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Grace Centered Trinity: of one essence with the Father (John 10: 30)
(made of the same "god" stuff!)
The Trinity concept is not to be confused with tritheism,
        which is the notion of three separate deities acting together as one.
The Trinity of mainstream Christianity is seen as one God manifested as three distinct,
        but not separate, and co-equal persons.


Trinity does no vision the Godhead of God in heaven, Jesus on earth and the Holy Spirit somewhere.
The Trinity is God, His Wisdom/Spirit and His Word.
Jesus is said to be the image or off-flash of God's Glory.
Grace Centered Trinity: through whom all things were made; (Hebrews 1: 1-2)
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with Go
d.
Jesus of Nazareth was not there in the beginning in the flesh:  God created by His WORD: Words are what you SPEAK. No one can accomplish any work without communicating in WORDS vocal or written. God SPEAKS and it is done. When God SPEAKS His Words are not another person.

Grace Centered Trinity: Who for us men and for our salvation (1 Timothy 2: 4-5)

I am always ashamed that people look up statements even when the context refutes their claim:
1Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, [baptized]
        and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.  [receive A holy personal spirit]
1Timothy 2:5 For there is one God,
        and one mediator between God and men,
        the man Christ Jesus;

Jesus didn't cease to be a man unitl he was resurrected and glorified or changed into His post-resurrected state we will all enjoy.  However, Jesus continues to appear to and speak to men like Paul to guide him into all truth.
Grace Centered Trinity: came down from heaven, (John 6: 33,35)
John 6:31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written,
        He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
John 6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
        Moses gave you not that bread from heaven;
        but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
John 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven,
        and giveth life unto the world.
John 6:34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them,
        I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger;
        and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

Jesus was speaking both Lord and Christ by God the Father's will: the same Christ was in the wilderness and now can be claimed of Jesus of Nazareth as His Incarnated state:
1Corinthians 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink:
        for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them:
        and that Rock was Christ.
John 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth;
        the flesh profiteth nothing:
        the words that I speak unto you,
        they are spirit, and they are life.


Jesus did not speak on His own but He became the Bread from Heaven when the Father Spoke the Word to Him: neither Son (word) or Spirit (breath) speaks on their own.

The Christ of God took on the form of a man: Jesus was "a body prepared for me." In retrospect, Jesus of Nazareth is called Jesus Christ because God the Father "made Him to be both Lord and Christ."  He had and has full authority as God's Final message, king and High Priest of God.

John 3:31 He that cometh from above is above all:
        he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth:
        he that cometh from heaven is above all.
John 3:32 And what he hath seen and heard,
        that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
John 3:33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God:
        for God giveth not the Spirit by measure [meter] unto him.
John 3:35 The Father
        loveth the Son,
        and hath given all things into his hand.
This would be contrary to all of the expansions of trinitarian creeds.
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life:
        and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life;
        but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Grace Centered Trinity: and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary (Luke 1: 35)

Everything God creates is through His Word: Word as in spoken words.  God's Word is conveyed by God's Spirit or Breath. The Holy Spirit "person" did not have sex with Mary as the antithesis of pagan virgin births: God Spoke Jesus of Nazareth into cell division. It was the seed or sperm of Abraham which was required to fulfil prophecy.
Luke 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb,
        and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Luke 1:32 He shall be great,
        and shall be called the Son of the Highest:
        and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luke 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Luke 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her,
        The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee,
        and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee:
        therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Word and Spirit are components of the One God breathing and articulating Words.

Proverbs 1:23 Turn you at my reproof:
        behold, I will pour
out my spirit unto you,
        I will make known my words unto you.
Grace Centered Trinity:  and became man. (John 1: 14)
God is never a MAN or a Man-God: The Word became Flesh.
Jesus wasn't made flesh: He was BORN flesh and Christ became flesh in Jesus of Nazareth.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word,
        and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him;
        and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh,
        and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory,
        the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


The Word made visible and audible is still the mouthpiece of the One God in Heaven.

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing:
        as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just;
        because I seek not mine own will,
        but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father,
        and the Father in me?
        the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself:
        but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

And He was crucified for us (Mark 15: 25; 1 Corinthians 15: 3)
under Pontius Pilate, (John 19: 6)
suffered, (Mark 8: 31)
and was buried. (Luke 23: 53; 1 Corinthians 15: 4)
And on the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures, (Luke 24: 1 1 Corinthians 15: 4)
and ascended into heaven, (Luke 24: 51; Acts 1: 10)
and sits at the right hand of the Father; (Mark 16: 19; Acts 7: 55)
and He shall come again with glory (Matthew 24: 27)
to judge the living and the dead; (Acts 10: 42; 2 Timothy 4: 1)
Whose Kingdom shall have no end. (2 Peter 1: 11)

And in the Holy Spirit, (John 14: 26)
Lord, (Acts 5: 3-4)
Acts 5:1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
Acts 5:2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part,
        and laid it at the apostles’ feet.
Acts 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart
        to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

 5:9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together
        to tempt the Spirit of the Lord?
        behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. God has HIS OWN Spirit or mental capacity.  God IS Spirit and there is no ohter.
Giver of Life, (Genesis 1: 2)
Who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]; (John 15: 26)
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified; (Matthew 3: 16-17)
And corresponding to that, baptism now saves you--
        not the removal of dirt from the flesh,

        but an appeal to God for a good conscience
--
        through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 1 Pe 3:21NAS
Jesus of Nazareth was not approved as a Son until after He was baptized: while not a sinner, Jesus accepted the sins of mankind
Romans 5:19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners,
         so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Romans 16:26 But now is made manifest,
        and by the scriptures of the prophets,
        according to the commandment of the everlasting God,
        made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
Hebrews 5:8 Though he were a Son,
        yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words;
        Jesus of Nazareth,
        a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs,
        which God did by him
        in the midst of you
, as ye yourselves also know:
This happened when the WIND or BREATH of God rested on Jesus after He was baptized. The dove or Rock Pigeon was a "a carrier pigeon" and was the identifying mark of the DAUGHTER of a MOTHER goddess in pagan trinitarianism. The meaning was
Proverbs 1:23 Turn you at my reproof: behold,
        I will pour out my spirit unto you,
        I will make known my words unto you.
Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized,
        went up straightway out of the water:
         and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him,
        and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

When the spirit or "wind" lighted on Cornelius He spoke the known language of the Jews. When God made Jesus of Nazareth both Lord and Christ He made Him is SON or WORD which was with Him from the first.
Erkhomai wind and storm, 9.6, Od.12.288 ; clouds, Il.4.276,16.364 of sounds, 1.  es logous erkhesthai tini come to speech with,
ta erkhomena ep' auton that which was about to happen to him, Ev.Jo.18.4 ; of property, which comes or passes to a person by bequest, conveyance, gift, etc.,
Hom. Il. 9.1 Thus kept the Trojans watch, but the Achaeans were holden of wondrous Panic, the handmaid of numbing fear and with grief intolerable were all the noblest stricken.
         Even as two winds stir up the teeming deep, [5] the North Wind and the West Wind that blow from Thrace,
        coming suddenly, and forthwith the dark wave reareth itself in crests and casteth much tangle out along the sea; e
        ven so were the hearts of the Achaeans rent within their breasts.
But the son of Atreus, stricken to the heart with sore grief, [10] went this way and that,
        bidding the clear-voiced heralds summon every man by name to the place of gathering,
        but not to shout aloud; and himself he toiled amid the foremost
Boaō , Ep. 3sg. boaa, 3pl. booōsin, part. booōn, Il.14.394, 17.265, 15.687:); “hōs drakōn b.Id.Th.381; b. grammatōn en xullabais468; hoi boēsomenoi men ready to shout (in the ekklēsia), D. 13.20;
2. of things, roar, howl, as the wind and waves,
3. c. acc. cogn., “b. boanAr.Nu.1153 (lyr.); b. melos, iōan, S.Aj.976, Ph.216 (lyr.); “b. loigonA.Ch.402 (lyr.); “algosE.Tr.1310(lyr
c. dupl. acc., boasath' humenaion aoidais iakhais te numphan sound aloud the bridal hymn in honour of the bride, ib.335 (lyr.); “elegon iēion eboa kitharisE.Hyps. Fr.3(1).iii 10.
6. Pass., to be filled with sound, “pasan de khrē gaian boasthai humnōdiaisE.Hel.1434; to be deafened, Ar.V. 1228. (Cf. boē.

Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the
        Holy Ghost
        and with power:
        who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
hagios a^, a, on, A.  devoted to the gods:
I. 1n good sense, sacred, holy:
2. of persons, holy, pure
Deuteronomy 7.6 For you are a holy people to Yahweh your God:
        Yahweh your God has chosen you to be a people for his own possession,
        above all peoples who are on the face of the earth.
1 Corinthians 6.1 Dare any of you, having a matter against his neighbor,
        go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints?
Pneuma
A.  blast, wind, first in Anaximen.2, holon ton kosmon p. kai aēr periekhei:
2.  metaph., thalerōterō p. with more genial breeze or influence, A.Th.708(lyr.);

thaleron pneuma thick, i.e. laboured or rapid, breathing
Aesch. Seven 705
Chorus

[705] It is only at this moment that death stands close by you,
        for the divine spirit may change its purpose even after a long time
        and come on a gentler wind. But now it still seethes.

Eteocles
Yes, the curses of Oedipus have made it seethe in fury. [710] Too true were the phantoms in my sleeping visions, predicting the division of our father's wealth!

lussēs p. margōId.Pr.884(anap.); Opposite mastery of the tongue.

aidoiō p. khōras with air or spirit of respect on the part of the country,
aidoios , a, on, (aidōs) A. having a claim to regard, reverence, or compassion (cf. aidōs)
II.  breathed air, breath,
III. divine inspiration,agria . . pneumata theuphoriēsAP6.220.4 (Diosc.); “ei ti theion . . enēn p. psukhēP
IV. the spirit of God,
2.   spirit of man
The Sprit or breath of God the Father endorsed the Mission of the Son as the WORD of God: Jesus SPAKE the words of the Father because He RECEIVED this Spirit without measure or 'meter.' The Wind like a fluttering dove came upon Jesus:
John 18:3 Judas then, having received a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees,
        cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons.
John 18:4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye?

The Elegiac Poems of Theognis 1.11.2

43-52

Never yet, Cyrnus, have good men ruined a city; but when it pleases the bad to do the works of pride and corrupt the common folk and give judgment for the unrighteous for the sake of private gain and power, then expect not that city to be long quiet, for all she be now in great tranquillity, ay, then when these things become dear to the bad —to wit, gains that bring with them public ill. For of such come discords and internecine slaughter, and of such come tyrants; which things I pray may never please this city.

979-982

I would have no man my friend with lips only, but also in deed; he must serve me willingly both with hands and with possessions; nor must he soothe my heart with words beside the mixing-bowl, but show himself a good man by act, if so he may.
Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


Who spoke through the prophets. (1 Samuel 19: 20; Ezekiel 11: 5,13)

Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify,
        when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 1 Pe 1:11

2Corinthians 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face,
            that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
2Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded:
         for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away
         in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
2Corinthians 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
2Corinthians 3:16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
2Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit:
         and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
2Corinthians 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord,
         are changed into the same image from glory to glory,
        even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
The Lord is the Spirit: the Spirit of the Lord is His Word: no one is changed unless they give attention to that Word
Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him.
        And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant,
        and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus:
        worship God:
        for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
The Prophets spoke by the Spirit of Christ: Messiah had to be a man who made these prophecies more perfect. That was left by Peter and others and no human has the right to private interpret or further expound.

Spirit in Hebrew and Greek literally means wind.
Ezekiel 11:5 And the Spirit of the LORD fell [wind, aer] upon me,
        and said unto me, Speak;
        Thus saith the LORD; Thus have ye said, O house of Israel:
        for I know the things that come into your mind, every one of them.
spīrĭtus , breathing or gentle blowing of air, a breath, breeze
3. Breathed air, a breath: “quojus tu legiones difflavisti spiritu,Plaut. Mil. 1, 1,
Ezekiel 11:12 And ye shall know that I am the LORD:
        for ye have not walked in my statutes,
        neither executed my judgments,
        but have done after the manners of the heathen that are round about you.
Ezekiel 11:13 And it came to pass, when I prophesied, that Pelatiah the son of Benaiah died.
        Then fell I down upon my face, and cried with a loud voice, and said,
        Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou make a full end of the remnant of Israel?
Ezekiel 11:14 Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

Ezekiel 11:24 Afterwards the spirit took me up,
        and brought me in a vision by the Spirit of God into Chaldea, to them of the captivity.
         So the vision that I had seen went up from me.
Ezekiel 11:25 Then I spake unto them of the captivity all the things that the LORD had shewed me.

In one, (Matthew 16: 18)
holy, (1 Peter 2: 5,9)
Church. (Acts 2: 42; Ephesians 2: 19-22)




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