Rubel Shelly - False HERMENEUTIC

Rubel Shelly: A false hermeneutic violates direct commands against false exegesis, hermeunitcs and any private interpretation which is further expounding. Rubel Shelly sees instrumental music and drinking wine as two battlegrounds of the new church. Interestingly, wine drinking and music always went together. The names of instrument players are quite identical to the word PARASITE This word inclueds all professional hermeneuts and exegetes or "doctors of the Law" whom Jesus warned against.

The black text is the commentary of this author. Rubel will be in THE BOX or red, and other quotations in Blue are clearly identified.

There is no more marked manifestation of God's wrath than the fact that he permits the decline of his spoken and written Word." "Pleased with his own way is everyone, Hence the land with fools is overrun." Martin Luther On Romans 15

Added 7/29/03: The Synagogue OUTLAWS creating spiritul anxiety SO THAT we can glorify God WITH ONE VOICE using "that which is written." That defines the SYNAGOGUE Christ promised to build and not a pagan, polluted worship ritual.

> C. Leonard Allen (ACU ) and Richard T. Hughes: Discovering our Roots? No. Calvin: "There is no more marked manifestation of God's wrath than the fact that he permits the decline of his spoken and written Word." When God pours out His wrath, He sends BUFFOONS.

> Royce Money ACU "can't determine the foundation of the church."

> Carrol D. Osburn ACU: Training people to play leading PROPHETIC roles in CHANNELING and FACILITATING ch

Rubel Shelly at the Restoration Forum XII - Abilene Christian University (ACU), proposes a Post Denominational rule of fellowship with instrumental music. He demands that non-musical churches fellowship instrumental churches to escape the horrors of being: "fratricidal, traditionalist, legalists, attitude of superiority, unChristian posture, schismatic, Satanic, sectarian, idolatrous, irrelevant, just pushing junk." The same people who don't have the time or inclination to "fellowship" musical churches are said to preach an "ology" of church which is decadent and deliterious. To those without doctorates, that is rotten and destructive. We have now been assaulted by being called pharisaical and racist for rejecting instrumental music in worship.

See the Max Lucado - Rubel Tritheism which makes the Family of Gods a little higher than angels.

The SHAM contest is held between Rubel and the Disciples on one side and all of those old legalists on the other side. However, in the shell game the pea is under NEITHER of the shells. The conservative Christian church might enjoy seducing ACU under their umbrella but they would not agree with the DOGMA being fostered as pseudo "Unity Forums."

Roger R. Chambers Christian Church "The territory around the pulpit has long since been claimed by

commanding personality, practical mysticism, professional music, and pop psychology.

This defines the rhetoricians and musicians who were PARASITES.

"A round of applause awaits the convention speaker who will announce that we are saved by Jesus, not doctrine. Brotherhood scholars

impressed by German theology
are throwing up a wall between Jesus and doctrine.

"This one-eyed theology is catchy; it breathes rhetorical authority. By design it eases the force of doctrine, mitigates the raw authority of Scripture, accredits human testimony, and expands the range of union. But it won't work. Jesus does not descend in euphoric mystery; He comes clothed in the Apostles' Doctrine and swells in our hearts by faith....

"The Sissification of the Church. The universal trend is for Church to surrender to culture, and our culture is a sissified one. That's the word, not feminine. Modern so-called feminism is not feminine; it is little more than broken womanhood crying out for identity and significance.

"As a culture removes itself from God, its masculine virtue fades and a twisted femaleness takes over.

"That's why homosexuality is the end of the line in the mind of God. Good men become bad men, but when men stop being men and women stop being women, the creation image is destroyed and all is lost. Ours is a country that can barely, if at all, bring itself to execute its child murderers; it doesn't have the nerve to defend its legitimate international interests. It divinizes poverty and failure while it denigrates successful competence.

It has no future but limp-wristed oblivion.
The real world is not the place for sissified men, societies, or churches.

Chambers notes that this destruction of the Word and Church depends on SKILLED RHETORICAL AUTHORITY. Scripture repudiates these as SUPER APOSTLES who would destroy you-- but only for a price. While many have the desire to teach the Word as it has been taught, increasingly preachers get the BIG jobs only if they are charismatic rhetoricians. However, the Word does not depend on such human talent from unbelievers;

Rhêtor-ikos , ê, on, oratorical, hê rhêtorikê (sc. technê) rhetoric; of persons, skilled in SPEAKING, fit to be an ORATOR

The Word of God CANNOT tolerate human skills: it was given from Christ to the People and to evangelists honest enough to forsake all and go into all the world as heralds rather than become word technicians or craftsmen or parasites.

The TECHNE is the craftsman who conspires with the holy whore's musicians and instrument players, all identified as PARASITES and HYPOCRITES: speakers, actors, singers or musicians. See Revelation 18.

A word with similar meaning to the rhetorician:

Hupokritikos , ê, on, belonging to hupokrisis 11 , skilled therein, esti phuseôs to hu. einai having a good delivery, Arist.Rh.1404a15 .

2. suited for speaking or delivery, (sc. technê) the art of delivery, (but, the actor's art, .[The techne are grouped with the musicians (muses, locusts as musical performers in Revelation 18:22 working for the holy whore religion.]

3. metaph., acting a part, pretending to

Hupokrinomai

I. to reply, make answer, answer, Hom., Hdt.2. to expound, interpret, explain, Od., Ar.:--the attic word in this sense is apo-krinomai.

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Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 2 Pe.1:20 Epilusis (g1955) ep-il'-oo-sis; from 1956; explanation, i.e. application: - interpretation. Epiluo (g1956) ep-ee-loo'-o; from 1909 and 3089; to solve further, i.e. (fig.) to explain, decide: - determine, expound. The Scriptures speak for themselves and in SCHOOL they should be "taught as they have been taught." There is no handle by which professional scholars, speakers or musicians can get closer access than the non- professional to help God. That is why the Greek world honored the herald because "he delivered the message as it had been delivered to him." However, Jesus fired the DOCTORS OF THE LAW because they "take away the key to knowledge" by presuming superior authority. That is why they are identified as PARASITES. rhythmice- , e-s, f., = rhuthmikê, sc. technê, the art of observing rhythm: rhythmice est ars omnis in numeris, Mart. Cap. 9, § 969 . musica , ae, and mu-si(ce- , e-s, f., = mousikê, the art of music, music; acc. to the notions of the ancients, also every higher kind of artistic or scientific culture or pursuit: musicam Damone aut Aristoxeno tractante? etc., Cic. de Or. 3, 33, 132 : socci et cothurni,i. e. comic and dramatic poetry, Aus. Ep. 10, 43 : musice antiquis temporibus ???tantum venerationis habuit, ut, Quint. 1, 10, 9 exêgêtikos , ê, on, of or for narrative, Diom. p.428K.: Comp. Adv. -ôteron Antig.Mir.60 . 2. explanatory, Hermog.Id.1.6, Alex. Aphr. in Metaph.358.13, S.E. M.9.132, etc. Adv. -kôs ib.7.28.   II. exêgêtika (sc. biblia), ta, title of work on religious rites by Anticlides, Plu.Nic.23: -kon, to, work by Timosthenes, Sch.A.R.3.847   Similar meaning:   exe-ge-ti(ce , es, f., = exêgêtikê, the art of interpretation, exegesis, Diom. 2, p. 421 P.   magice- , e-s, f., = magikê (sc. technê), the magic art, magic, sorcery (post-Aug.): pariter utrasque artes effloruisse, medicinam [p. 1097] dico magicenque, Plin. 30, 1, 2, § 10; 30, 1, 2, § 7: magices factio, id. 30, 1, 2, § 11 .   factio , o-nis, f. [id.] II. (Acc. to facio, II. B.; lit., a taking part or siding with any one; hence concr.) A company of persons associated or acting together, a class, order, sect, faction, party (syn.: pars, partes, causa, rebellio, perduellio, seditio). exêgêsis [from exêgeomai] I. a statement, narrative, Thuc. II. explanation, interpretation, Plat. hermên-euma , atos, to, interpretation, explanation, in pl., E.Ph.470, HF1137, Ph.2.300. symbol, monument, Nêrêidos gamôn E.Andr.46 . epithesis , eôs, hê, setting on its base, tou andriantos laying or putting on, application application of epithets, tas e. poieisthai Arist.Rh.1405b22 . imposition of increased burdens, Cat.Cod.Astr.7.134 setting upon, attack, Antipho 2.2.13; This was imposing an extra tax when the nation was NOT at war.

II. of actors, to answer on the stage: hence to play a part, be an actor
2. to represent dramatically: hence to exaggerate
3. metaph. to play a part, to feign, pretend, c. inf., id=Dem.

Of those who would DIVERT a non-instrumental church into being an instrumental church and taking pay for it as rhetorician or Sophist, the Greek had a word for it.

parasi-tus , i, m., = parasitos, lit. one who eats with another; hence,

I. In gen., a guest (pure Lat. conviva): parasiti Jovis, the gods, Varr. ap. Aug. Civ. Dei, 6, 7; App. M. 10, p. 246, 35.--Hence, parasitus Phoebi, a player, actor, Mart. 9, 29, 9.--

II. In partic., in a bad sense, one who, by flattery and buffoonery, manages to live at another's expense, a sponger, toad-eater, parasite

Of course, Jubilee 2000 and its earlier incarnations leads the way toward making the radical changes in people's minds through actual experience to accept instrumental music. The "at loose ends" go home and divide the church just to become sectarian anti-sectarians.

The "hermeneutic" for this violence is "that's just your opinion." Let's look at the word opinion;

1. A belief not based on absolute certainty or positive knowledge, but on what seems true, valid or probable to one's own mind; what one thinks: judgment. 2. An evaluation, impression or estimation of the quality or worth of a person or thing. 3. The formal judgment of an expert on a matter in which his advice is sought. 4. In law the formal statement by a judge, etc. of the law bearing on a case. 5. Opinionativeness, conceitedness, obstinacy in a belief (Webster's New Twentieth Century Unabridged Dictionary, 1254).

The hate words clearly show that in the Post-Modern world no one can have an opinion about what any literate Bible student knows is not based upon opinion but on clear evidence.

We, like those who neither have the time nor inclination to use or participate in instrumental music in worship, are charged with being idolaters. However, our research shows that, as in all Post-Modern hermeneutics, the truth is turned on its head.

On the contrary:

THE UNIVERSAL OLD TESTAMENT MESSAGE SAW MUSIC AS FIRST ORDER -- THE CORE -- OF IDOLATRY:

Speaking of the religious ritual condemned by Amos and others we note that: "The marzeah had an extremely long history extending at least from the 14th century B.C. through the Roman period. In the 14th century B.C., it was prominently associated with the ancient Canaanite city of Ugarit (modern Ras Shimmer), on the coast of Syria... The marzeah was a pagan ritual that took the form of a social and religious association... Some scholars regard the funerary marzeah as a feast for--and with--deceased ancestors (or Rephaim, a proper name in the Bible for the inhabitants of Sheol)." (King, Biblical Archaeological Review, Aug, 1988, p. 35, 35) "These five elements are: (1) reclining or relaxing, (2) eating a meat meal, (3) singing with harp or other musical accompaniment, (4) drinking wine and (5) anointing oneself with oil." (King, p. 37). "With the wine-drinking (which is the literal meaning of the Hebrew for feasting), went music and dancing." (Heaton, E. W., Everyday Life in Old Testament times, Scribners, p. 93) "Worship was form more than substance; consequently, conduct in the marketplace was totally unaffected by worship in the holy place. Amos spoke from the conviction that social justice is an integral part of the Mosaic covenant, which regulates relations not only between God and people, but also among people." (King, p. 44). "In pagan traditions, musical instruments are invented by gods or demi-gods, such as titans. In the Bible, credit is assigned to antediluvian patriarchs, for example, the descendants of Cain in Genesis 4:21. There is no other biblical tradition about the invention of musical instruments." (Freedman, David Noel, Bible Review, Summer 1985, p. 51).

Sermon Review: No Dispensational Distinctions:
-- David's Civil Rituals Authorizes Instruments?

---Commands esamples inferenses are OUT!

Sermon Review: Lucian of Samosata and Psallo From Attic Greek

Sermon Review: Lucian of Samosata Explained by The Church Fathers

Sermon Review: How About Psallo and Psalm 150?

Sermon Background: -- Reasonableness of Christianity - John Locke

Sermon Background: -- A Letter of Toleration - John Locke

Sermon Background: -- Declaration and Address - Thomas Campbell

Sermon Background: -- The Sermon on the Law - Alexander Campbell

Sermon Background: -- Religious Toleration demands Religious Freedom - Locke to Campbell

See a Presbyterian view. ,

IF YOU FIND SOME EVIDENCE WHICH ASCRIBES MUSICAL WORSHIP TO A HOLY GOD JUST LET ME KNOW. Our review commentary is in red.

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Restoration Forum XII - ACU, Abilene Christian University, TX, November 1-3, 1995

Transcribed by Tom Roberts

Introduction: ....words by our brother Rubel Shelly, minister of Woodmont Hills church of Christ in Nashville, TN. And, incidentally , who has interesting competition going on campus at the same time with George W. Bush addressing the student body, I think, in another few minutes. But please don't get up and rush out at 11 o'clock. (Laughter) Some say "Trust me, we won't do that." But we look forward to hearing Rubel this morning. "Call to Action" is indeed what needs to take place.

We discuss fellowship. We discuss who we are, where we are, and perhaps,

what we now need to do is the first order of importance. Before Rubel comes, let's all pause in a word of prayer. (Prayer not transcribed.)

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Rubel Shelly: Thank you Chris. Some of you have been leafing through the notebook trying to find my speech. I read Doug's letter requesting a manuscript about a week after the deadline. It is in manuscript and copies of it will be at the back as you are leaving if you care to have one. I decided not to distribute them before reading the paper because I hate to read a paper when everyone else has a copy of it. And, you know, you're three lines ahead of me. And where I grimace, or where I smile, or where I put an emphasis, you never catch that part. So I will have the advantage of having the only copy, at least for now. But if you care to have one, Doug, I think will have them at the back door just on tables on both sides.

You may want to read extensive review of Farmer's Branch "white" paper on the use of instrumental music.

We live in a post denominational world. The Protestant majority, in terms of identified church preference in America, slipped from 67% in 1967 to 56% in 1991. And the category of people with no religious preference, during that same period, grew from 2% to 11%. The same Gallop information that produced the figures I've just cited also shows that nearly one adult in four, twenty-three percent, has left the church of his or her family's heritage. Robert Worthnow (spell ?) uses an even larger statistic. He claims that fully thirty-three percent of Americans have switched from one religious affiliation to another. At the beginning of this decade, Robert Bella (spell ?) insisted that "it's unrealistic to assume that Christians today will stay where they were brought up. Both the Protestant principle of voluntarism and the modern respect for autonomous decision make it natural for adults to choose their own religious affiliation." Now you'd think that's a world ideal for those of us who've assembled at the 12th Restoration Forum. ( at Abilene Christian University ) You'd think it's a world ideal for what we're about. Our churches must be crowded. And our message must be attracting attention.

Because in a post denominational, non-denominational, no longer affiliated to traditional denominational ties, those folks are bound to be, at least, giving us a close look. We must be leading huge numbers of people to the experience of Christ in salvation. Irony of ironies, though, most of the congregations I know about in the church of Christ or the independent Christian Churches, or the conservative Christians Churches cannot capitalize on the fact that we are in a post denominational world.

This invention out of the wineskin vat implies that denominations have ceased to exist. Otherwise post-denominational is just a sillyism.

Because of his defining away "doctrine" and leaving only a tiny "core" as the "gospel," the term post denominational is also associated with post modern.

The "core" of the seven-varrying-ones is all that this writer is going to permit you to believe and use to criticize other "denominations." It is interesting with this "clearing of the decks" for a one-world-religion goes a one-world-ethic which removes your freedom to critize me for anything. This is the modern meaning of Jubilee: forgive all of the old debts and restore all of the property to the "tribes."

The Latter Rain or Post-Modern teachers believe that defending faith or worship by the Biblical text is the old "modern" or denominational method and is therefore legalism. While they allow just a "core" gospel to still be normative, the terms are associated with the view that the Bible generally is not our guide. A writer asks:

"Are you having difficulty discerning or receiving this "new revelation"? Then you have been interpreting your Bible in the "old way,"

comparing Scripture with Scripture, studying diligently to account for every jot and tittle and being careful to rightly divide the Word of truth.
If this describes you, then you belong to the "Old Generation"
which will not enter in to "possess the land" in the Latter Rain Revival.
You may even be a member of a denominational church, with its dogmatic confession of faith and statement of doctrine.

These legalistic forms will be relics of the past in the up and coming "Postdenominational Church." Paul Cain advises that you "dump all that carnal stuff" (doctrine) and listen to what the "spirit" is saying to the churches through the Latter Rain Prophets and Apostles, who are dispensing many "new, sacred truths." Click for More Latter Rain and New Wineskins

Rubel Shelly: Even with our in-house rhetoric of non-denominational Christianity, people on the outside don't see us as post-denominational or non-denominational. In fact, we don't act very non-denominational, either.

We tend to preach more about the church than about Christ,

The Bible collects Pharisees, Scribes and Hypocrites: they are rhetoricians, sOPHISts (serpents), singers and musicians as part of the end-time Bablonian harlot worship.

Rubel Shelly: more about our Restorationist issues than about the atonement, couching too much of what we say, I'm afraid, in historical context rather than just standing up and speaking a bold word for the Lord.

Most who come into our assemblies can't even translate what they hear because they don't know what familiar-to-us terms such as "Restoration plea, or "Old Paths," or even "plan of salvation," or "church autonomy" mean. Those are coded words us, people, and they don't communicate very well with folks who didn't start where we started.

Much less do they care to know about our fratricidal wars over the authority of elders, instrumental music in worship, whether to be having unity forums like this, or versions of the Bible.

One of the desirable FIRST ACT of the postmodern insanity is to dissociate people or create schizophrenia in them. This has the goal of destroying the OLD church or "burn down the structures" or "get a new wineskin" before you can build on the ashes. Hopefully you won't get fired before you make the changes. One of the marks of schizophrenia is to declare that what the Bible and all of history say about instrumentalists and rhetoricians is just flat wrong: they all associate musicians and actors with the NEW WINESKIN and with the Judas Bag which points to the GREEK naked and perverted song and dance they tried to induce into Jesus.

The box on the side of the flute case is the JUDAS BAG. This is the WAR against Jesus.

[edited from Perseus]

This Judas bag is from the Greek:

Glosokomon (g1101) gloce-sok'-om-on; from 1100 (speaking in tongues) and the base of 2889; prop. a case to keep mouthpieces of wind-instruments in, i.e. (by extens.) a casket or (spec.) purse: - bag.

It is made up of two words:

1. Glossa (from Strong's g1100) means "speaking in tongues" especially an unacquired one.

2. Kosmos (g2889) means the "orderly arrangement" or the "adorning" world. this is derived from (g2864 or Komizo which means "to carry off."

Kosmos (g2889) kos'-mos; prob. from the base of 2865; orderly arrangement, i.e. decoration; by impl. the world (in a wide or narrow sense, includ. its inhab., lit. or fig. [mor.]): - adorning, world.

"Yet, through all there was an overarching harmony. The Greek word cosmos which we translate by universe originally meant beauty and harmony.

The Pythagoreans discovered mathematical formulae for the musical harmonies. They believed in the harmony of the sounds produced by the movement of the stars.

Therefore, they spoke of cosmic harmony of the spheres, each of which has a different sound, but all together creating a harmonious sound. If you delete the half-poetic, mythological elements from such ideas, then you can say that they had a universal, ecstatic interpretation of reality." (Tillich, Paul, A History of Christian Thought, Touchstone, p. 333).

Those who KNOW the truth are FIGHTING against them but the musical contests were always to FLUTE DOWN the rational discussion by the universal symbols of sexual perversion keep moving by professional musicians. The flute case always had a BOX OR BAG attached to it: this was the Judas Bag for carrying money taken by the flute player as a PARASITE and for carrying the mouthpieces of his wind instruments. The fratricides against the rule of Jesus, then and now, were perverted priests of Dionysus. The Jews hoped that Dionysus would be their messiah. When he refused to bow down, sing or dance when they piped, they killed him. It still goes on.

Here is a painting of the ONLY message of harpists, flutists or other instrumentalists as sodomites and parasites:

[edited from Perseus]

Next, is the picture of the Judas Type with the new WINESKIN draped over his shoulder. Wine drinking absolutely required playing the flute to drive you into drunkeness or INTOXICATED WITH PASSION or in the new style worship "enraptured" or "raped" or "enthusiastic" which means to be filled with the demon gods: Enthus O mania.

THERE IS NO OTHER EVIDENCE BUT THAT MUSIC WAS TAUGHT BY DEMONS OR LUCIFER TO PIPE DOWN OR SILENCE THE WORDS OF GOD TO "BLEED OFF WORSHIP" FOR THE THEATRICAL PERFORMERS.

THE BIBLE ALWAYS ASSOCIATES INSTRUMENTS WITH TRYING TO SILENCE GOD'S WORD, WITH SACRIFICING TYPES OF JESUS CHRIT, WITH SINGERS AS PROSTITUTES AND MALE INSTRUMENTALISTS AS SODOMITES. THE GREEK DOCUMENS PERMIT NO FAVORABLE EXAMPLES AS "SPIRITUAL WORSHIP." JESUS CAST OUT THE MUSICAL WORSHIP TEAM OR MINISTRELS OR FLUTE PLAYERS LIKE DUNG.

THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD HAS REPUDIATED MUSIC AS WORSHIP AS PERVERTED AND SATANIC.

THEREFORE, THE LATTER DAY ACCUSATION OF THOSE WHO WILL NOT BOW TO BAAL AS SECTARIAN, LEGALISTS, BROTHER KILLERS AND FIRE BOMBERS IS SATANIC AS PROPHESIED FOR THE END TIMES IN REVELATION 18. APOLLO OR ABBADON OR APOLLYON IS THE FATHER OF SEEKER-CENTERS OR ORACLES, MUSICAL HARMONY, TWANGING BOWSTRINGS TO SEND SINGING ARROWS, THIEVES AND LIARS.

Psallo speaks of DESTRUCTIVE attacks with the twangs and clangs. That is why anyone past READING 101AAA understands that Paul's direct was to SPEAK or PREACH to TEACH one another the INSPIRED TEXT. He insisted that the MELODY be in the spiritual heart and not in the LITERAL HEART which could happen in the pagan musical contests:

P. Vergilius Maro, Aeneid

She said, and from her quiver chose with speed

The winged shaft, predestin'd for the deed;

Then to the stubborn yew her strength applied,

Till the far distant horns approach'd on either side.

The bowstring touch'd her breast, so strong she drew;

Whizzing in air the fatal arrow flew.

At once the twanging bow and sounding dart

The traitor heard, and felt the point within his heart.

Him, beating with his heels in pangs of death,

His flying friends to foreign fields bequeath.

The conqu'ring damsel, with expanded wings,

The welcome message to her mistress brings.

MODERN SOWERS OF DISCORD HAVE ONLY LUCIFER, THE HARP-PLAYING PROSTITUTE CAST OUT AND INTO THE GARDEN OF EDEN AS THEIR FATHER.

This should give pause to those who define those who DO NOT use instruments as worship and try to teach those who DO use instruments that they are resting solely on the HIGH CHURCH principle of GOING BEYOND THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN. In the case of music the USE that which is universally associated with evil people as their STAND UP - PRESIDE OVER model of the mediator in song and sermon. Sorry about the pictures but this is the 100% PATTERNISM or PARADIM of what Paul understood about instrumental music.

The New Wineskin to Worship Dionysus: the God of New Wine [edited from Perseus]

How could you turn PERVERTED MUSIC throughout history into NEW STYLE WORSHIP without having a kind of SPLIT. Now, the fellow in the picture would accuse you of SOWING DISCORD if you tried to convince him that he shouldn't try to engage The Incarnate God of the universe in this OLD STYLE, SATANIC ritual.

P. Ovidius Naso, Metamorphoses (ed. Brookes More)

Book 4

When that Hermaphroditus felt the change,

so wrought upon him by the languid fount,

considered that he entered it a man,

and now his limbs relaxing in the stream

he is not wholly male, but only half,--

 

he lifted up his hands and thus implored,

albeit with no manly voice; "Hear me

O father! hear me mother! grant to me

this boon; to me whose name is yours, your son;

whoso shall enter in this fount a man

must leave its waters only half a man."

Moved by the words of their bi-natured son

both parents yield assent: they taint the fount

with essences of dual-working powers.

 

While busily engaged, with sudden beat

they hear resounding tambourines; and pipes

and crooked horns and tinkling brass renew,

unseen, the note; saffron and myrrh dissolve

in dulcet odours; and, beyond belief,

the woven webs, dependent on the loom,

take tints of green, put forth new ivy leaves,

or change to grape-vines verdant. There the thread

is twisted into tendrils, there the warp

is fashioned into many-moving leaves--

the purple lends its splendour to the grape.

However, while you are driving others into schizophrenia it is common for the driver to have to LEAD and be dissociated first. The symptom is that those who CREATED the problem--for a price--blame it on someone else so that they can FIX their problem--for a price. One of the components of postmodernism is schizophrenia as a desired state of being. In a religious sense it means:

Schizophrenic suffering from a form of schizophrenia characterized by FOOLISH MANNERISM and senseless laughter along with DELUSIONS and REGRESSIVE behavior. They think, for instance, that adopting the musical instruments of Lucifer the harp- playing prostitute is PROGRESSIVE. But postmodern means that people are disconnected from reality by choice. Therefore, they fall back into the archaic and build towers of Babylon manned by "priests, prophets, soothsayers, singers, instrument players and male and female prostitutes."

A desired goal to destroy the old Christendom and Bible is:

Schizophrenia: "a mental disorder characterized by a separation between the thought processes and the emotions, a distortion of reality accompanied by DELUSIONS and HALLUCINATIONS, a FRAGMENTATION of the PERSONALITY, motor disturbances, loss of basic INTELLECTUAL FUNCTIONS."

Another and similar goal of the postmodern process is:

Dissociation: is "a split in the conscious process in which a group of mental activities BREAKS AWAY from the MAIN STREAM of consciousness and function as a SEPARATE unit, as if belonging to ANOTHER PERSON. The abnormal separation of related thoughts."

Brother bashing always involved the sectarians dividing the church by adding choirs and instruments to compete with Catholics or Anglican-derived churches. If we didn't introduce instruments then war would not be started by the rise of the "legalists" just resisting being tossed out of the building they have paid for.

I don't know of a fratricidal war begun by the "laity" or even by the elders who were, in Biblical jargon, the only pastor-teachers in the local flock.

The evidence is that MUSIC has always been used to GET DRUNK WITH WINE which included being PIPED DOWN with flutes and other instruments:

Homer XIV. TO THE MOTHER OF THE GODS (6 lines). The muses were sent into hell as locusts. They were to be resurrected in the end time and they are the musicians of Revelation 18 performing what Paul condemned in Corinth:

(ll. 1-5) I prithee, clear-voiced Muse, daughter of mighty Zeus, sing of the mother of all gods and men. She is well-pleased with the sound of rattles and of timbrels, with the voice of flutes and the outcry of WOLVES and bright-eyed LIONS, with echoing hills and wooded coombes.

(l. 6) And so hail to you in my song and to all goddesses as well!

"Now Rhea, as Ceres, in Hymn XIV, is called 'brass-sounding' and 'drum-beating'. This has reference to the mystical results of certain sounds and rhythm, part and parcel of what the Hindus call Mantravidyâ.

Klang-ê , hê, metapl. dat. klangi Ibyc.56 : ( [klazô] ):--any sharp sound, e.g. twang of the bow, Il.1.49; scream of birds, esp. cranes,

to which are compared confused cries of a throng, 3.3, Od.11.605, cf. Il.2.100, 10.523;
grunting of swine, Od. 14.412; later,
howling of wolves and lions, h.Hom.14.4, cf. 27.8;
hissing of serpents, Pi.Dith.2.18 (pl.), A.Th.381 (pl.);
baying of dogs, X.Cyn.4.5, etc.;

also, of musical instruments, Telest.4, Mnesim.4.57 (anap.); of song, S.Tr.208 (lyr.); k. aêdoneios (leg. -onios) Nicom. Trag.1; k. dusphatos, of Cassandra's prophecies, A.Ag.1152 (lyr.);
........... of the scream of the Harpies, A.R.2.269. Perseus

If people would not approve of instrumental music by making it an opinion then we would never have become sectarian by adding music when a straight-line back to the Tower of Babylon proves that

not attempting to move the worshipers into the presence of God was the "truth held en toto"

This consensus view was sected-out by ursurping "pastors" such as Pendleton who bragged that he was the first sectarian in the new Restoration Movement. That is, he ignored the total rejection of music by post-biblical scholarship (even the Catholic Encyclopedia) and imposed an organ over the forceful removal of the organ (melodian) by an elder.

By what stretch of the imagination does anyone believe that they can achieve unity in a forum when those who attend have already become united in principle against the clear Biblical and historical evidence?

Rubel Shelly: Walking into an assembly where such issues are the topic of instruction or discussion must leave those people in the same state of mind as those, who, in the first century, stumbled into an assembly where tongue-speaking was going on.

That is why Peter outlawed private interpretation or FURTHER EXPOUNDING. The elders and deacons, after all, are the only Biblical TEACHING ROLES and Paul said that the elders must "teach that which has been written." THEN we won't get confused.

Why would discussing "who is on first" or discussing the ancient history of instrumental idolatry be compared to "speaking in tongues?" The Classical and post apostolic church "fathers" always connect musical worship to speaking in tongues as did Paul in First Corinthians 13 and 14.

The guilt clause means that if you preach and defend the Biblical and historical message against instrumental music, or any music calculated to lead people somewhere rather than teach them the Word of Christ or spirit, you are divisive and sectarian.

Shouldn't any preacher know that it was Paul who compared music and singing "praise songs" out of their own spirit to unsure military commands, trying to speak to God when He was trying to speak to the group (1 Cor 14:2), just speaking to the air Goddess (14:9), and speaking in tongues. His carnal weapons and lifeless instruments were denounced as charismatic tools to attract the "seekers."

Bruner, in The Holy Spirit clearly knows that most church music is "low level glossolalia." And so all of the Classical writers understood it as the soothsayer's method to make an intimate connection with the goddess (had to pay for it, too.)

Rubel Shelly: They left without being edified. They didn't know where to say the "amen" and there was no spiritual profit.

I have read those books, sermons and newsletters: sounds like "Turkey Soup for the Sick." I challenge you to take a 1 X 2 card to the next "worship" and see what you can collect about coherent Bible knowledge in songs plus sermons which, I swear to you, are really about the speakers and singers.

Edified is not exhilarated: edified is instructed, the resource of the songs is to be "the words of Christ" or "the Spirit" which Jesus said was in His Words (John 6:63). The method was "speaking one to another" and not worshiping the self-worshipping team usurping your Christ-purchased role. The result was that the "singing and melody was to be in the heart." The end was teaching and admonishing. Making people feel good was the goal of the pagan prophetess while education totally from the inspired Word was the purpose of the church assembly. If removed from studied and mind-deadening shouthing, posturing and weaving stand-up comedy with bad jokes and Chaper One, Verse 1d it might be possible for visitors to comprehend the simple teachings of God.

Exhilarated worship (Second Incarnation) is ceremonial legalism:

Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art (man's trade) and mans device. Ac17:29

Enthumesis (g1761( en-thoo'-may-sis; from 1760; deliberation: - device, thought., ,

Enthumeomai (g1760) en-thoo-meh'-om-ahee; from a comp. of 1722 and 2372; to be inspirited, i.e. ponder: - think.

Thumos (g2372) thoo-mos'; from 2380; passion (as if breathing hard): - fierceness, indignation, wrath.

Philo coined the word enthus o mania which was the madness Paul warned about in Corinth.

Rubel Shelly: People who are not already immersed in our American Restoration Movement tradition typically come to our assemblies or open themselves to conversation with one with one of us because of a situation of need in their lives and they know we're religious.

If you believe that being against manipulative worship including loud singing and instrumental music is just our tradition -- as reported by a Nashville paper quoting a college president -- then we are profoundly ignorant of the Bible and church and pagan history. The Restoration Forum XII will not fix that. Preaching rather than evangelism is a later-day-restoration tradition. Singing four-part-Fanny with four different groups singing four different sets of words at four different times with four different tunes is just a latter-day tradition. Passing the basket to buy a retirement plan is counter-Paul and a latter-day tradition.

Speaking the Biblical text without instruments is no more tradition than the preacher's refusing to have the choir plugged in during his sermon.

Rubel Shelly: Perhaps there's moral confusion, maybe there's brokenness. But these people are wanting to hear gospel, "good news," that will give them hope. They want compassionate ministry to their needs and hurts. Only if they hear a message of God's presence, and deal with people whose interest in them is genuine, will they believe that they're in touch with the spiritual body of Christ.

Sounds like a Restoration Forum XII problem: It is total arrogance to define the gospel as the CORE when Jesus wanted the whole APPLE taught. The purpose of the church was not to peddle new wine from a new wineskin to seekers or to be the Pop psychologist or "fixer of bad breath" for the world. The purpose of the church was to tell the people what Christ wanted them to know. If they have a severe mental or emotional problem a pop course in 'counselling' will get you nowhere (Jimmy Swaggert preached that very well in sermons just before the motel room.) Take up a collecton and send mental problems to experts in the field and then you can just go door-to-door obeying the absolute demand of Jesus to GO, preach, baptize and then teach. Didn't commission us to hear pop psychology and call it good news.

How can meeting people's moral problems be "gospel" when all of the APPLE has been trimmed off and all you have left is:

"A core doctrine is one that,,

relates directly to Christ, ,
his substitutionary death on the cross and
our acknowledgement of him in obedient faith.

Sounds like a lot of preachers want to take away the APPLE and just leave the CORE so that they can add women in ministry, and musical worship teams to replace the Word and Christ as the One Mediator between man and God. Same CORE but a radically new APPLE full of worms.

Using similar words, both Rubel shelly and Leroy Garret define the "gospel" as the oral message which created unity before the written Scriptures. The written Scriptures are not the Words of God but the opinions and interpretations of apostles who had differing views and produced different churches. Click for More.

Rubel Shelly: The burden of my presentation this morning is to call those of us who have come from different groups within a shared tradition to Biblical action that will extend beyond a three day conference, that's rich in fellowship among people who've come to respect one another in the Lord. My primary concern is to challenge us to be about things that are Biblical. I would betray both my personal commitment and our shared heritage to offer an agenda that is incompatible with the New Testament teaching that has been given to chart our course.

While preachers are building temples and trying to restore the Levitical musical worship teams to attract a few people with unspiritual "rice," the 4.9 billion people in the world will become 9 billion people in the lifetime of some of the teams. And the preachers worry that they are not getting their share of the stray sheep and goats, the Post-Denominational "christianity" they talk about is the "incredibly shrinking man."

Too many want to "bundle" or repackage rather than go out in the cold where people don't get to "experienc" week-long "churchy" programs and have never heard even the CORE gospel.

Rubel Shelly: My comments here will be based on Romans 14:1 through 15:13. This section of Paul's most sublime epistle deals with doctrinal difference among baptized believers.

I thought it was about non-doctrinal opinion differences between meat-eaters and vegetarianism. Well "pot lucks" may make this important to those who refuse to go out into the cold.

Rubel Shelly: Before attempting to apply anything from this block of text to our situation, I'll probably need to defend using it at all. Some of us have been told that these verses relate to issues of taste and personal judgment and speculation. The things Paul had in mind here, we've been told, were mere matters of opinion. A cursory reading of the verses without prejudice leads to a very different conclusion.

In a sermon (linked above by the blue) Rubel proof-texted Romans 14 even going to the extreme of cutting verse 13 off in the middle of Christ's speech through Paul. Rubel wrote:

Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another (Rom. 14:9-13a).

The whole verse would produce a totally different interpretaion:

Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this
........... rather,

that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brothers way. Romans 14:13

Judging, therefore, is to put a stumblingblock in the path of another:

Because adding instrumental music is not based on faith (but contrary to it), it is not by faith and therefore deliberately puts a stumbling block in the feet of everyone. The solution is to remove the stumbling block and not mentally condition everyone to just stumble and go on to unity in diversity.

And the chief priests and scribes sought how they might kill him; for they feared the people. Luke 22:2

Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve. Luke 22:3

And he went his way, and communed (schemed) with the chief priests and captains, how he might betray him unto them. Luke 22:4

A root bearing poisoned and bitter fruit

is in their designs;

they walk in stubbornness of heart

and see Thee among idols,

then they set before them

the stumbling-block of their sin.

In the Dead Sea version of Psalm 41 where it was predicted that Judas would attempt to TRIUMPH OVER Jesus, it was with musical instruments:

 

They have overtaken me in a narrow pass (gap)
without escape

And there is no rest for me in my trial.

They sound my censure upon a harp

and their murmuring and
storming upon a zither." Ps.41:11

Rubel Shelly: Mere matters of opinion are things that all parties concerned admit are still up for grabs. They are open to a variety of views and interpretations. They are matters on which we have no particularly strong position to stake out.

Matters of opinion are the ones where I don't really care what you think about that, 'cause, that's just a matter of opinion with me.

Everyone knows that wars have been fought over "opinions." For instance, the opinion about instrumental music and women musical worship teams to be the mediators between the "audience" and God is opinion. However, with me it is a matter of critical doctrinal difference.

Matters of opinion are where you enjoy the Grand Ole Opry in the privacy of your home but if you bring "gospel music" which is proven to be a blend of "Hillbilly, black protest song with hidden meanings and a touch of Voodoo" into the church assembly even when you know beforehand that it will divide people, break up churches, cause people to steal church property and produce sectarianism then your opinion becomes my satanic attack.

Rubel Shelly: Matters of opinion for most of us would be things like the authorship of Hebrews, or whether to have Bible classes or worship first on Sunday morning, or how many prayers to have during Sunday's assembly. These are issues on which we would agree that we're expressing personal points of view that don't have anything to do with affecting our relationship with God. So long as you're civil in expressing them, say what you want to, argue whatever case you wish. Just a matter of opinion. Who cares?

Rubel Shelly: The three issues named by Paul in these verses from Romans 14 and 15 were most definitely not issues on which people felt free to leave each other to their private opinion. Neither were they matters about which Paul said there's no definitive answer. He will say, "I give my judgment" so and so.

There are views which Paul said that we can hold to ourselves but he clearly outlawed any non-taught ritual as being part of the collective assembly or synagogue as school of the Bible.

There was a truth. There was a right and a wrong on each of those issues. The very reason he writes about them is, the folks in the church at Rome had been judging, and trying to coerce one another. Boy, you bet they mattered. An ancient version of our liberalism versus legalism controversy had taken shape at Rome. The terms "liberal, conservative and legalist" are banded about too freely and without clear definition among us. The best and most appropriate use of the terms is to indicate an attitude toward the authority of the Bible.

Chambers: Neo-orthodoxy is, in brief, the attempt by made-in-Germany theology to retrieve something of a biblical faith from the devastation visited on European Christianity by classical liberalism,

without committing to the traditional orthodox belief in the factual truth and absolute authority of Scripture.

See Rubel Shelly and the Shelly Sifter which passes only 7 facts ABOUT Jesus.

The soul of neo-orthodoxy is not the radical conclusions reached by open advocates of the system, but rather its epistemology, according to which the Bible is not, in its essence, the Word of God;

it is a human witness to revelatory "events." Since the Bible is not the touchstone of revelation,

the believer's faith does not depend on it. Scripture is sifted by the historical-critical method

to discover what the believer might choose to regard as "authoritative."

Johann Salomo Semler, the father of the historical- critical method, was in revolt against the supernatural. His dictum: "The root of all evil (in theology) is the interchangeable use of the terms 'Scripture' and 'Word of God.'

Sound familiar? Scripture, we are being taught, is the Word of God only in a secondary sense. Brotherhood teachers seek to shift the locus of faith from the Bible to Jesus, from the propositional to the Personal, from the objective to the existential, from biblical faith to mysticism.

The Bible as revelation softens to the Bible as witness; authority mellows to authoritativeness; infallibility melts to trustworthiness;

infallibility is given to mean the ability of Scripture to get the job done, not that the Bible is completely true;

The New Testament, we learn, is not a pattern for the Church, only a "norm." And so it goes. Inceptive neo-orthodoxy loosens faith from Scripture.

Rubel Shelly: Behold the Pattern.

Chambers: The university at Tübingen has always been a fountainhead of neo-orthodoxy. Tübingen has been a curse on Biblical studies since the days of F. C. Bauer and before. Tübingen-style skepticism,

introduced by the Campbell Institute, has done unspeakable damage to the Stone-Campbell movement.

The voice of Tübingen, never completely silent among the "Conservative Disciples," is increasingly becoming the voice of brotherhood leadership.

The current Tübingen hero is the Roman Catholic neo-orthodox theologian Hans Küng. His name has become ubiquitous of late. I have heard Küng represented to the churches as a modern Alexander Campbell, which is absurd.

Küng denies the Resurrection; his concept of inspiration makes him a radical disbeliever.

See Rubel Shelly and Kung. and the not yet kingdom.

The Tübingenized faith is, at its base, mystical; it does not need a true Bible. The Tübingenized faith cannot see why inerrancy should be an issue.

Since the Spirit speaks immediately and existentially as the believer reads,

God can make His will known through untrue words as easily as in true ones.

See Rubel Shelly and John York on Baptism of the Holy Spirit

In chapter 15 Paul commanded a CURE for the divisive backgrounds of most of the Gentiles in Rome. By grasping the CURE we can define the PROBLEM.

All pagans had a problem with musical "religious worship" but Paul defined a synagogue or school of the Bible.

The ONLY way people can assemble without division is to follow Jesus into His School of the Bible. This keeps us out of the "pagan houses of worship."

Instrumental music was also the STUMBLING BLOCK imposed by the old traditionalism (wineskins) of both the Orphic (vegetarian) and the Dionysics (meat-eaters, wine drinkers). Therefore, Paul also wrote Romand 15 to RESOLVE the possible musical conflict by defining the assembly as a SCHOOL of the Bible. There is no MUSIC word ever used of the synagogue or the ekklesia:

Cycle One	Cycle Two
WE then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves. Romans 15:1	And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people. Romans 15:10
Romans 15:2 Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification. For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me. Romans 15:3	And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people. Romans 15:11 [Please means to create spiritual anxiety or any kind of effort to artificially stimulate exhilaration.}
For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning (teaching), that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. Romans 15:4	And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust. Romans 15:12
Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus: Romans 15:5	Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost. Romans 15:13
That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify (tell of His works) God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 15:6	And I myself also am persuaded of you, my brethren, that ye also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another. Romans 15:14
Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister (deacon) of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers: Romans 15:8	Nevertheless, brethren, I have written the more boldly unto you in some sort, as putting you in mind, because of the grace that is given to me of God. Romans 15:15
And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will	(2) that the offering (bloodless sacrifice) up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost. Romans 15:16
(1) confess to thee among the Gentiles, and	(1) That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles,
(2) sing unto thy name. Romans 15:9	ministering the gospel of God,

Rubel Shelly: Conservatives are people who believe that the Bible must be our final norm concerning both doctrine and practice in following Christ. Liberals don't share that conviction and believe that the Bible is something less than the infallible word of God to which we must be obedient.

Rubel Shelly and his CORE GOSPEL is one of those who discounts the total Bible by his own definition of "gospel" not shared by the Bible or church history.

Contrary to Shelly, the entire Bible, church fathers and founders of denominations believe that God commands by Direct commands, examples and inferences.

One cannot be a conservative and add that for which there is not a shred of Biblical authority; and for which there are libraries denouncing musical worship.

Rubel Shelly: Legalists believe that they have the right to judge and exclude others based on their interpretations of complex matters.

No, a legalist is one who believes that they can do WORK for which they put God under OBLIGATION to pay them a WAGE of which they can boast. Nothing is more LEGALISTIC than performance preaching or "musical teams to lead you into the presence of God" and directly repuydiating Lord Jesus Christ as our ONLY mediator.

Rubel Shelly. See how the Praise Craze is restored Satanic Paganism: People who do not have their hearts set on Lord the other six days of the week

can't "pull off worship" on Sabbath or Sunday. People who live by the world's dog-eat-dog rules until they pull into the church parking lot and who plan to return to those same rules in sixty minutes

will never know why others find worship so enthralling, exhilarating, and transporting.

Chambers: Satan is subverting our freedom in Christ by progressively liberating the Church from the Word of Christ.

Our Enemy translates freedom from condemnation into freedom from covenant.

We must reteach ourselves that the love of Christ does not subtract from His authority, that Faith requires more obedience than Law, not less (the son obeys more quickly than the slave), that obedience is still better than sacrifice,

and that exhilaration does not outvote commandment.

The outward evidence of the indwelling Spirit is neither tongues nor lawlessness. If Jesus is Lord, that makes us obedient children,

not prodigals straining to liberate ourselves from His Word.

Jesus defined a son of the Devil as one who "speaks on his own." The Pharisees repudiated the commands of God SO THAT they could teach their own vain doctrine specificially so that they could PERFORM RELIGION and "steal the houses of widows."

No, these people believe that they have a right to worship according to their beliefs without a huge world-wide effort to repudiate them by "burning down" the old "Aztec" structures in order to rebuild a Post-Modern church. The restoration of the Jubilee which Jesus fulfilled seem to be to judge and exclude those who have not subscribed to the "rules of engagement" against conservatives.

A sectarian is "a predilection either for a particular truth, or for a perversion of one, generally with the expectation of personal advantage; hence, a division and the formation of a party or 'sect' in contrast to the uniting power of 'the truth,' held in toto."

Those who introduce musical worship teams (pseudo pipe organs called organum) know that they judge those who have remained faithful as being the sectarians and legalists.

In truth, which is always turned on its head by those in expectation of a personal advantage, know that they are deliberately, with a high hand excluding others based on their interpretation of not even remotely unclear matters.

There is not a remote hint of personal advantage for a preacher to remain faithful to the Biblical teaching and two thousand years of anti-instrument opinion (yes, even in the Catholic Encyclopedia). To the contrary, rejecting instruments brings on the abuse of the majority.

The Restoration Movement was formed in an environment which excluded musical worship