Romans 14: ACU Rubel
Shelly
In Romans 14 Paul defined some of the DIVERSITIES of the
Orphics,
Dionysiacs
and Pythagoreans. In Romans 15 Paul does not PAUSE,
but OUTLAWS the form of
vocal and
instrumental music used by these sects to arouse PLEASURING. Paul
outlawed it and the words point to arousal singing with or
without instruments as used by the DEMAGOGUES to draw away
people for their own PURPOSES which connects
to HERESY a form of the singing/lifting word. The word
KLEPTOMANIA is associated. Paul outlaws DOUBTFUL DISPUTATIONS because the
Ekklesia or Synagogue or school of the Bible has no performance
preachers,
singers or
musicians.
It has only MUTUAL
DIALOGERS. Jesus defined those who SPEAK ON
THEIR own in songs and sermons as SONS OF THE DEVIL. He defined the
MOUTH religion specificially by connecting BEAUTIFUL SINGING and WELL
PLAYED instruments to those who came to hear the prostitutes or
Sodomites: there is NO intention of obeying the word. It is all
performance. "Clergy's" Job is to TAKE AWAY THE KEY to
knowledge. And "see godliness as a means of financial gain." That
parses to HIRELING meaning "one who is hired" and to
PROFESSION. 2 Cor 2:17 For we
are not as many, which corrupt
the word of God: but as
of sincerity, but as of
God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ. Kapeleuo (g2585) kap-ale-yoo'-o; from kapelos ,
(a huckster); to retail, i.e. (by impl.) to
adulterate (fig.): - corrupt A. to be a retail-dealer, drive a petty
trade... kapêleu'
drive a
trade, chaffer with
your vegetable food Hdt.1.155 II. c. acc., sell by retail, ton herpin Hippon.51 . 2. metaph. sell learning by retail, hawk it
about, 2 Ep.Cor.2.17 ; so eoiken ou kapêleusein
machên will not peddle in war, i. e. fight half-heartedly, têi Chariti
tên amoibên Epicur.
politeian traffic in
grants of citizenship,
of prostitutes, playing tricks with life, [p. 876] corrupting The word ADULTERY and KLEPTO is associated with
this verse. The concept of arousal singing to produce the outlawed
PLEASURING is also connected with KLEPTOMANIA by the "heretics" who
LIFT YOU UP to carry you away for THEIR OWN PLEASURES. Hdt.1.155
Heredotus: Cyrus told how to take the FIGHT out of the
enemy: [4] But pardon
the Lydians, and give them this command so that they not revolt or
pose a danger to you: send and forbid them to possess weapons of
war, Like I always say as EVERYONE always says, the
word PSALLO never includes an instrument unless the PLUCKING word
is added and the NAME of the
instruments. The commanded act is to SPEAK one to
another. Therefore, for any disciple with A holy spirit
Romans 15 OUTLAWS any form of musical or rhetorical performance. I
don't know how people who "see godliness as a means of financial
gain" or occupation intend to pay back the widows and hard working
honest people. See more notes on Romans 14. The synagogue is defined
by Paul in Romans 15. Jeff Childers and Frederick Aquino At the river's Edge: ACU'S damage control has
the same pseudo scholars making the same SELF-COMPOSED explanation of
Baptism which LIT THE FIRES. For heaven's sake: Baptism is connected
to the BIRTH of Jesus? Don't Miss Number four: Part One Assault of the church of
Christ This is Part Two
Part Three Chapter 15
defines the LAW that one cannot produce SPIRITUAL excitement and
still "glorify God with one voice" by speaking "that which is
written." That of course was by the Spirit of Christ (1 Pet 1:11).
Chapter 15 repudiates Rubel Shelly's distortion of Romans 14.
See new Summary of Rubel Shelly at ACU on Music and
Wine. > C. Leonard Allen and Richard T.
Hughes: Discovering our Roots?
No. Calvin: "There is no more marked
manifestation of God's wrath than the fact that he permits the
decline of his spoken and written Word." When God pours out His
wrath, He sends BUFFOONS. > Royce Money ACU "can't determine the foundation of the
church." > Carrol D. Osburn: Training
people to play leading
PROPHETIC roles in
CHANNELING and
FACILITATING change. In this second section, Rubel
Shelly begins: Rubel Shelly, ACU: My comments here will be based on Romans 14:1 through
15:13. This section of Paul's most sublime epistle deals with
doctrinal difference among baptized believers. This is ALWAYS used to justify
INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC which MUST be imposed on those who object to
deliberately sow discord. In fact, Romans 15 OUTLAWS even
arousal forms of singing and WORSHIP LEADERS Shelly claims are
MEDIATORS because they can lead you into the presence of God.
This agrees with Colossians 3,
Ephesians 5 and many other versions of TEACHING the word where the
word MELODY is not mentioned. The word PSALLO or MELODY
people LUST to use is used ONLY of perverted males grooming young
boys as "ministers of the gods" for sodomy. It is a WARFARE word and
never a MUSICAL WORD I thought it was
about non-doctrinal opinion differences between meat-eaters and vegetarianism.
Well "pot lucks" may make this important to those who refuse to go
out into the cold. A Doctrinal Difference is a Christ Taught principle. The allowable differences are based on
traditions or not-understood Biblical teaching. The "acceptance" of
brethren, Christian or fraternal, does not inform us about their baptized state. This scam intends to prove that "instrumental music" was a
non-taught doctrinal
difference and that we
should tolerate (fellowship) those who use instruments as a secular,
carnal attempt to worship a Spirit God. Paul Woodhouse of Grace Church of
Christ claims that
instrumental music is actually commanded by Paul. The fact that instrumental
worship can be sold as simply an allowable option is the doctrinal ignorance which can be
tolerated within
a given congregation, but the instrumentalist is not permitted to make an issue out of his 100%
opinion with 0% evidence, while vocal teaching
as "singing" is doctrinal or Christ-Taught. Rubel Shelly,
ACU: Returning now to
Romans, some weak brothers were advocating a no meat (verse 2), no holiday, holy
day (verse 5), no wine
(verse 21) position. And insisting that
everyone embrace
their understanding and practice. And that the whole church must adopt a policy of eating no meat, observing
no holiday (holy day), drinking no wine. And they passed harsh judgment on those who viewed any of those issues
differently. This is why Jesus built and
Paul DIRECTLY commanded the SYNAGOGUE or school of the Bible in
Romans 15. The personal preferences WERE NOT discussed in the SCHOOL
except Scripture would teach AGAINST these practices in
time. Rom 14:1 HIM that is weak in the faith
receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all
things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. From the English text this
TOLERANCE is only about foods
and "holy
days." NEITHER of these
were remotely connected to the kingdom of God. Therefore, Paul
COMMANDS us to teach the WEAK but he gives us some common sense:
don't MOCK, despise and publically ridicule those who will not, in
the Shelly world, affirm CHOIRS and MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS. Perhaps no one has
made a bigger career out
of RIDICULING those who
reject trying to worship a Spirit God in the PLACE of our own human
spirit using MACHINES. The fact is that 100% of the evidence
repudiates all of the MUSICAL or performance concepts of
"church." Shelly etal make those who
TEACH against instrumental music into a mockery through well-funded
JUBILEES or traffick in books. Therefore, if the truth were
desired, Shelly and the Stoneites are fatally guilty of violating
everything Paul has said in Romans 14 and 15. By understanding the MEANING of
the words and by looking at the culture to which Paul POINTS we know
that he was specificially pointing to the Orphics where Orpheus was
'that Thracian" who along with the Lesbian women singers INVENTED
religion defined by the Greek Threskia. This form of MUSICAL worship
was always polluted or NOT-PURE. Pure religion on the other hand was
to take care of the weak and NOT to fleece them for sermonizing. They
were the only VEGETARIANS of note in Rome at this time. The
Dionysiacs were the meat eaters and wine drinkers. Both Orphics and Dionysiacs
used MUSIC to induce pleasuring which Paul will condemn in Romans 15.
They would also do bodily harm in the form of homosexuality (See
Romans 1) and beating up of those who would not BOW when the
musicians played, sang and danced. By looking at the Bible and
Greek literature we can clearly understand that Paul was condemning
those who SPECIFICIALLY depended on performance and ritualistic
RELIGION which depended on singing and instrumental music to INDUCE
the sense of MADNESS Paul warrns the Corinthians about. Those who WOULD NOT sing and
dance--including Jesus of whom this was PROPHESIED--were mocked and
even murdered. The NEW STYLE worship Shelly
promotes along with the once-Christian colleges is EXACTLY what many
of the churches were AFFLICTED with. Romans 14 therefore denounces
the MOCKING and RIDICULING of those who practiced the SYNAGOGUE
explained in Romans 15 There were NO
PREACHERS in the synagogue and NO PRAISE SERVICE. Faithful churches of Christ
WILL NOT make Shelly happy by adding or condoning instrumental music
EVEN if the new Gnostics make a HUGE INDUSTRY trafficking on
condeming those of whom Paul pronounced judgment. Ver. 3. "Let not
him that eateth, despise
him that eateth not." He does not say,
let him alone, but do not
reproach him, do not "despise" him, to show they were doing a thing perfectly
ridiculous.
But of this he speaks in other
words. "Let not him which eateth not, judge him that eateth." For as
the more advanced made light of
these, as of little
faith, and falsely healed, and spurious, and still Judaizers, so they
too judged these as law-breakers, or as given to gluttony.
And of these it is likely that
many were of the Gentiles too. Wherefore he proceeds, for God hath received
him. Receiving a person does not mean AFFIRMING any
difference beyond "Jesus and Him crucified." Rather, the RECEIVING
is: Proslambanô
3. c. acc. pers., take to
oneself as one's helper or partner, by a second marriage, of
admitting into the army, The context is more meal fellowship than CHURCH
MEMBERSHIP. We know for a fact that Shelly is a friendly guy but he
WILL NOT let anyone who does not BOW to have "fellowship" in the
sense of teaching WEAK things like "music AS worship has always been
a sign of idolatry, sexuality and homosexuality." Chrysostom
continues: For when he
is speaking of doctrines, hear what he says, "If any one
preacheth unto you any gospel other than that ye have received, let
him be accursed" (Gal. i. 9), "even" if it be "an angel." And again,
"I fear lest by any means as
the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted." (2 Cor. xi. 3.) Rom XIV:1Vulgate Now receive
one who is weak in faith, but not for disputes over opinions.
XIV. Ton de asthenounta
têi pistei proslambanesthe, mê eis diakriseis
dialogismôn. The thing is not concerned
with fundamentals. For the thing
requisite is, if this person and the other are acting for God's sake,
the thing requisite is (these words are repeated 3 mss.), if both
terminate in thanksgiving. For indeed both this than and that give
thanks to God. If then both do give thanks to
God, the difference is no great one. Doubtful is the
Greek and one may be CERTAIN that Shelly will NOT receive
anyone in HIS church who harrangues the congregation that ALL of the
evidence proves that MUSIC is sinful because it--like most
preaching--tells God to SHUT UP: Dialogismos (g1261) dee-al-og-is-mos'; from 1260;
discussion, i.e. (internal) consideration (by impl. purpose), or
(external) debate: - dispute, doubtful (-ing), imagination,
reasoning, thought. Dilogos A. double-tongued, doubtful, 1
Ep.Ti.3.8. "Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued,
not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre; " Disso-logeô, A. say twice, repeat, as in phrases like apist'
apista, kaina kaina, Sch.E. Hec.688; go over again, Vett.Val.249.20.
II. call in question,
leave doubtful, Simp.
in Cael.194.17. I get e-mails and IF preachers did not say over
and over and over--unless they are Bible believers--they would have
to get an honest job. Akritos a.
pagos confused mass, 2. continual, unceasing,3. after Hom. in
poets, countless, II. undecided, doubtful, 2. unjudged, untried, of
persons and things; not capable of judging, engaged in rash attempts, Disputations are the stock
in trade of performance preachers. A. give
judgement, go to law, dispute,
diadikasomenos têi boulêi peri alêtheias Din.2.1 ;
tauta diadikasometha peri tês sophias b. submit oneself
to trial, Ro.14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth
not judge
him that eateth: for God hath received him. [3] ho
esthiôn ton mê esthionta mê exoutheneitô, ho
de mê esthiôn ton esthionta mê krinetô, ho
theos gar auton proselabeto. To despise is not to THINK LESS
OF: despise is what Shelly etal does when they MOCK and associate
those will not AFFIRM instrumentalists with brother killers, fire
bombers or muggers of ladies wearing furs. Krino
(g2919) kree'-no; prop. to distinguish, i.e. decide (mentally or
judicially); by impl. to try, condemn, punish:
- avenge, conclude, condemn, damn,
decree, determine, esteem, judge, go to (sue at the) law, ordain,
call in question, sentence to, think.. Exouthen-eô
, A. = exoudenoô (cf. ou se exouthenêkasin,
all' ê eme exousenôkasin LXX 1 Ki.8.7 ), ib.Wi.4.18, al.,
Ev.Luc.23.11, Ep.Rom.14.10, J.BJ6.5.4. 1 Kings 8: [7]WEB
Yahweh said to Samuel, Listen to the voice of the people in all that
they tell you; for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected me, that I should not be king over them. 1 Kings 8: [8] According to all
the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up
out of Egypt even to this day, in that they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also to you. [9]
Now therefore listen to their voice: however you shall protest
solemnly to them, and shall show them the manner of the king who
shall reign over them. But why dost thou judge thy
brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the
judgment seat of Christ. Romans 14:10 Luke 23:[11]WEB
Herod with his soldiers humiliated him and mocked
him. Dressing him in luxurious clothing, they sent him back to
Pilate. [12] Herod and Pilate became friends with each other that
very day, for before that they were enemies with each other.
The word MOCK or DESPISE points
DIRECTLY to the MUSICAL play by which the clergy or "children" PIPED
trying to induce singing and dancing into Jesus. This was a perverted
thing and there is NO OTHER connection in history between MUSIC and
WORSHIP. A. object of contempt, e. laou LXXPs.21
(22).6. Psalm 22:[4]WEB
Our fathers trusted in
you. They trusted, and you delivered them. [5] They cried to you, and
were delivered. They trusted in you, and were not put to shame. [6]
But I am a worm, and no man; A reproach of men, and despised by the
people. [7] All those who see me mock
me. They insult me with their lips. They shake their heads,
saying, Empaizô ,
fut. A. -xomai LXXHb.1.10 : pf.
empepaicha ib.Nu.22.29:-- mock
at, mock, tini Hdt.4.134 ; tina PCair.Preis.3.10 (iv A.D.): abs.,
S.Ant.799:--Pass., psuchê hupo . . sômatôn kai
pragmatôn empaizomenê Ph.1.568 , cf. Luc.Trag.333. Chorus [791] You seize the minds of
just men and drag them to injustice, to their ruin. You it is who
have incited
this conflict of men whose flesh and blood are one. [795] But victory
belongs to radiant
Desire swelling from
the eyes of the sweet-bedded bride. Desire sits enthroned in power beside the
mighty
laws. [800] For in all
this divine Aphrodite plays her irresistible game. Commentary [800] empaizei, 'wreaks her will' in that contest which
nikai implies. We find empaizô with a dat. (1) of the object,
as Her. 4.134 empaizontas hêmin, 'mocking us': (2) of the sphere, as Ar. Th. 975 choroisin
empaizei, 'sports in
dances.' The en of
empaizei here might also be explained as (a) in the imeros, or the
blephara, i.e. by their agency: or (b)
'on her
victim.' But the
interpretation first given appears simpler. (Cp. Vergil's absol. use
of illudere, G. 1. 181, Tum variae illudant pestes.) Start off [970] while you
sing to the
god of the
lyre and to the chaste goddess
armed with the
bow. Hail! thou god who
flingest thy
darts so far, grant us
the victory! The homage
of our song is also due
to Here, the goddess
of marriage, [975] who interests herself in every chorus and
guards the approach to the nuptial couch Choros,
ho, later of the dance as a
public religious
ceremony II. choir, band of dancers and singers, h. Ven.118, Pi.N.5.23, Fr.199; sumphônia kai choroi Ev.Luc.15.25 Luke 15:25 Now his
elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the
house, he heard musick
and dancing.
Sumphonia (g4858) soom-fo-nee'-ah; from 4859;
unison of sound ("symphony"), i.e. a concert of instruments
(harmonious note): - music. Sumphonos (g4859) soom'-fo-nos; from 4862 and
5456; sounding together (alike), i.e. (fig.) accordant (neut. as
noun, agreement): - consent. 2. generally, choir, troop, donakôn row of reeds, i. e.
Pan's
pipe, III. place for dancing, en de ch. poikille . . Amphiguêeis
Il. 18.590 ; leiênan de ch. Od.8.260 , cf. 264; hothi t'
Êous êrigeneiês oikia kai choroi eisi 12.4 ;
Numpheôn kaloi ch. êde thoôkoi ib.318; at Sparta
the agora was called
choros, Paus.3.11.9; so
perh. in Crete, Supp.Epigr.2.509.6 (Eltynia, prob. v B. C.): v. infr.
(Acc. to Hsch. choros = kuklos, stephanos, and therefore prop.
denotes a
ring-dance.)
The MARKET PLACE where they clergy would try to induce a
homosexual song and dance was the AGORA. A. laugh to scorn, mock at,
LXX 1
Es.1.49(51),
Phld.Rh.2.216S. Isa 37:22 This is the word which the Lord hath
spoken concerning him; The virgin, the daughter of Zion, hath
despised thee, and laughed thee to scorn; the daughter of Jerusalem hath shaken her head at
thee. Leag
(h3932) law-ag'; a prim. root; to deride; by impl. (as if imitating a
foreigner) to speak unintelligibly: - have in derision, laugh (to
scorn), mock (on), stammering. Is.33:19 Thou shalt not see a fierce people, a
people of a deeper speech than thou canst perceive; of a stammering
tongue, that thou canst not understand. Except to Get Drunk, the
Jews neve drank much FERMENTED wine: "Much to the dismay of the wine
industry, between the founding of the state in 1948 and until just
five years ago, annual Israeli wine consumption remained at about
3.9 liters per capita. Compared to the
60 liter plus consumption of the French,
Italians and Spanish, this was not very high. Nor was it high
compared to the 11 liter figure of the United States. Resource. A DRUNK drank wine, a tippler drank highly
mixed wine and water but the common people drank the preserved fruit
of the vine as a food. [If wine is fine, beer is better] No, what Paul really said
was: HIM that is weak
in the faith receive ye, but not to
doubtful disputations. Romans 14:1 Receive means:
Proslambano (g4355) pros-lam-ban'-o; from 4314 and 2983; to take
to oneself, i.e. use
(food), lead (aside), admit to friendship or
hospitality: - receive,
take (unto). Perhaps, the weak man was once
a worshiper of
Dionysus. The "in
assembly" prophesying (singing with instruments) in Corinth strongly
implicates as Dionysic those "just out of" paganism where drinking
wine and "speaking in tongues" or composing their own "inspired
songs." The same is true of
Ephesus where, in chapter 5, Paul prohibites the "wine drinkers" and demands speaking or preaching the
revealed
Word: psalms, hymns and
spiritual songs. Of Divininers Heredotus
2.49.1 Heredotus 2 XLIX. Now then, it seems to me
that Melampus son of Amytheon was not ignorant of but was familiar
with this sacrifice. For Melampus was the one who taught the Greeks
the name of Dionysus and
the way of sacrificing to him and the phallic
procession; he did not
exactly unveil the subject taking all its details into consideration,
for the teachers who came after him made a fuller revelation; but it
was from him that the Greeks learned to bear the phallus along in honor of Dionysus, and they got their present practice from his
teaching. [2] I say, then, that Melampus acquired the prophetic art, being a discerning man, and that, besides many other things which he
learned from
Egypt, he also taught
the Greeks things concerning Dionysus, altering few of them; for I
will not say that what is done in Egypt in connection with the god
and what is done among the Greeks originated independently: for they
would then be of an Hellenic character and not recently introduced.
[3] Nor again will I say that the Egyptians took either this or any
other custom from the Greeks. But I believe that Melampus learned the
worship of
Dionysus chiefly from
Cadmus of Tyre
and those who came with Cadmus from Phoenicia to the land now called
Boeotia. musicians, sophistês . . parapaiôn chelun
Sophistês 1 [sophizomai] I. a master of one's craft or
art, an adept,
of a diviner, Hdt.; of poets, Pind.; of the Creator, Plat.; metaph., s. pêmatôn an adept in
misery, Eur. 2. like phronimos, one who is
clever in matters of life, a wise man, in which sense the seven Sages
are called sophistai, Hdt.; of Prometheus, Aesch. I. at Athens, a Sophist, i. e. a professor of grammar, rhetoric, politics,
mathematics, such as Prodicus, Gorgias, Protagoras, Thuc., Plat.,
etc. At first the Sophists were held in honour; but from their loose
principles they fell into ill repute, and the word came to
mean, * 2. a sophist (in bad sense),
a quibbler, cheat,
Ar., Dem., etc. Parapaiô 1 1. to strike on one side: to
strike a false
note, and metaph. to be
infatuated, lose
one's wits, Aesch.:
--p. ti to commit a folly, Luc. * 2. to fall away from, Lat. aberrare, tês
alêtheias Polyb. Chelus
1 I. a tortoise, Lat. testudo:--then, since Hermes made the lyre by
stretching strings on
its shell, which acted as a sounding-board, chelus came to mean the lyre,
Hhymn. (to Merc.), Eur. II. the arched breast, the
chest, from its likeness of shape to the back of a tortoise,
Eur. However, Romans chapter 14
always has a chapter 13 and Paul demanded that the believer's life rises
above tolerating a wine
drinker at a common
meal. Let us walk
honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife
and envying: Romans 13:13 Komos
(g2970) ko'-mos; from 2749; a carousal (as if a letting loose): -
revelling, rioting. But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh,
to fulfill the lusts
thereof. Romans 13:14 for as you eat,
each of you goes ahead without waiting for anybody else. One remains
hungry, another gets
drunk. 1 Cor 11:21 (or
perhaps just saturated) Don't you have
homes to eat and drink
in? Or do you
despise the
church of God and
humiliate those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I
praise you for this? Certainly not! 1 Cor 11:22 Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast as you really are. For Christ, our
Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 1 Cor 5:7 Old yeast inheres in the word Jubilee which is a defacto denial that
Christ came to fulfill all Old Testament types, many of which were
imposed because of Israel's "musical idolatry" at Mount Sinai:
Therefore
do not let anyone
judge you by what you
eat or drink, or with These are a
shadow of the things that were to come; the
reality, however, is found in Christ. Col 2:17 "Judge"
implies more than just trying to teach one against New Moon
celebrations. Judging means that they try to force you to eat like they eat, drink what they drink, attend the
religious festival, observe the New Moon or not do any work on
Saturday. Judging
is insisting that strong
people obey the Old
Testament or pagan rituals when the strong brether knows that he is
free. Because "music" or more
properly "noise" was part of the "like the nations" religious
festivals and offering animal sacrifices, one who judges is the one who
insists that we have no
right to teach against it and that we must fellowship
instrumentalists and any of the other "shadows." A strong person knows that he
can observe certain days. However, it would be judging to insist that
he observe them in a religious sense. Rubel Shelly,
ACU: What Paul calls
the strong
brothers, on the other
hand, could
eat meat, celebrate holidays (holy days) and drink wine without offending their consciences. Getting drunk on wine in
Ephesians 5:18 is inconsistent with the church which is a school of
the Bible. Just as in modern taverns, music and wine cannot be
separated: See the meaning of the Greek Symposium and Music,
Wine, Homosexuality connection. Even modern proponents of
musical "worship" are strongly influenced by the god of the new
wineskins: Dionysus. They used the same terms of wine as EXHILARATING
WORSHIP. They must know that they are FLUTING DOWN with or without
mechanical instruments the WORD of Christ and giving heed to Christ.
The hallucination is that not Jesus Christ or God the Father but the
indwelling HOLY SPIRIT person is directing the charismatic music and
preaching. Music and wine were the weapons of the new wineskin or old
Dionysus perverted worship: kat-auleô, charm
by flute-playing, tinos Pl.Lg.790e, cf. R.411a; tina Alciphr.2.1:
metaph., se . . -êsô phobôi I will flute to you on
a ghastly flute, E.HF871 (troch.):--Pass., of persons,
methuôn kai
katauloumenos
drinking wine to the
strains of the flute,
Pl.R.561c; k. pros chelônidos psophon to be played to on the
flute with lyre
accompaniment,
Posidon.10 J., cf. Call.Fr.10.3 P., Phld.Mus.p.49 K. The word charm or charis from
which people get "Charismatic" is the EARTHLY meaning of GRACE
centered or not. Putting the focus on GRACE meant that sodomy usually
in the form of pedaresty was part of worship and an appendage to ALL
priesthoods. Paul intended that the
synagogue or school of the Bible not be just another tavern. Both the
wine and the music would overpower or PIPE DOWN the mind so that
study of the Bible was impossible. Therefore, look at the
phrase: The phrase:
"methuôn kai
katauloumenos (Drinking and overpowering with the flute.)" > Katauleô I. to play upon the flute to,
tinos Plat.:--Pass., of persons, to have it played to one,
id=Plat.:--Pass. to resound with flute-playing, Plut. II. c. acc. pers. to
overpower by flute-playing:--generally, to overpower, strike dumb, Eur. >
Methuô [methu] [only in pres. and imperf.; the fut. and
aor. act. belong to methuskô] Kat-auleô continues: 2. c. gen. loci,
make a place sound with
flute-playing,
Thphr.Fr.87:-- Pass., resound with flute-playing, nêsos
katêuleito
Plu.Ant.56 . The prase:
nêsos katêuleito is: Nêsos 1 an island, Lat. insula, Hom., Hes., etc.; en tai
megalai Dôridi nasôi Pelopos, i. e. in Peloponnese,
Soph.; makarôn nêsoi, v. sub makar. [Perhaps from
neô to swim,
as if floating
land.] And again. I. to play upon the flute to, tinos Plat.:--Pass., of persons, to
have it played to one, id=Plat.:--Pass. to resound with
flute-playing, Plut. II. in Pass., [ton monochordon
kanona] parechein tais aisthêsesi . . katauloumenon
SUBDUED by a flute
accompaniment, Ptol.Harm.2.12: metaph., to be PIPED down, RIDICULED III. c. acc. rei,
play on the
flute, ta
mêtrôia Duris 16 J.:--Pass., to have played to one as an
accompaniment on the flute, -oumenoi pros tôn hepomenôn
ta mêtrôia melê D.H.2.19 . A similar word is:
Katapsallô , play stringed instruments to, [sumposion] kataulein kai k. Plu.2.713e :--usu. in Pass., have
music played to one, enjoy music, ib.785e; of places, resound with music, Id.Ant.56. 2. Pass., to be buried to the sound of
music,
Procop.Pers.2.23. 3. metaph., katapsalletai . .
ho dêmiourgos is drummed out, Porph.Chr.34. The phrase: sumposion kataulein
speaks of the gathering of homosexual men where wine and flute
players were popular. However, it
is significant that if the group had any important issues to discuss
they silenced the flute players. > Sumposion 1 [sumpinô] And again for
comparison: > Katauleô I. to play upon the flute to, tinos Plat.:--Pass., of persons, to
have it played to one, id=Plat.:--Pass. to resound with
flute-playing, Plut. II. c. acc. pers. to
overpower by flute-playing:--generally, to overpower,
strike
dumb, Eur. The female instruments players were usually
prostitutes and the male instrumentalists were sodomites to be USED
after the festival. However, if they desired to discuss any issue
they had to CAST OUT the musicians or parasites who couldn't keep
their mouth shut. See Rubel Shelly
make the same accusation as the Jewish
clergy: that Jesus was a winebibber and a wine
manufacturer in the intoxicating sense. Several scholars see that as
a deliberate attempt to wound the character of Jesus. Didn't you hear what Paul
just said? These
(Jubilee, Sabbath, holy days) are a
shadow of the things that were to come; the
reality, however, is found in
Christ. Col 2:17 A strong person "might" but a
strong person would not
deliberately restore
the Jubilee and
deny the
Atonement of Christ who "restored" the order. If the wine
drinker or Sabbath keeper or festival keeper was the strong person
then why would Paul call them just shadows? "Eating and drinking" is a
ritual or fellowship activity. So don't let anyone
criticize you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating Jewish
holidays and feasts or new moon ceremonies or
Sabbaths. Col
2:16LIV Don't let anyone criticize
you or JUDGE you for not
tolerating instrumental
music in imitation of the "triumph over" of Jesus with instruments
which murdered Him but freed us from the weak and beggarly
elements. Now, listen to Paul set the
whole "christian" university system straight: Howbeit then,
when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no
gods. Gal 4:8 But now, after
that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again
to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in
bondage? Gal 4:9 Ye observe days, and months,
and times, and years. Gal 4:10 I am afraid of
you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain. Gal 4:11
This repudiates Rubel Shelly
and declares that those
who continued to practice Law-based observing of days and times and
Sabbaths are the weak and in serious dangers members. These are the
people who are to be silenced if they try to impose Sabbath assembly
or Sabbath (Saturn) Eucharist "eating and drinking the gods."
However, until he was weaned
off the observing of times and seasons (astrology) he could still
meet with the people whose conscience would be mortally offended by
bringing the Legalistic days into the Christian assembly. The shadow was
under the Monarchy where Israel "fired" God and demanded a king like
the nations so that they could worship like the nations were involved
in shadows. Animal
sacrifices were just
shadows of the One Sacrifice of Christ.
Music was added under the gone-astray Monarchy and was never used except during animal
sacrifices for dedicatory or purification rituals or to
give glory to the civil
courts. The religious festivals were
also just shadows. Whatever people do in private,
animal sacrifices and all that went with it are not related to the
kingdom. Therefore, Paul was not
defining "kingdom" practices or "assembly" practices but ordinary
superstitions about days and foods. Do not allow what you consider
good to be spoken of as evil. Rom 14:16 For the kingdom
of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, Rom 14:17
because anyone who
serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men. Rom
14:18 In the Haunted House by T. Maccius Plautus, the
festival was really for Apollo: PHANISCUS Really! why,
yesterday and the day before, four, five, six days ago, all along, in
fact, since his father went abroad from here, eating and drinking have never ceased for a single three
days here. THEUROPIDES What is
it you say? PHANISCUS That eating and
drinking have never stopped for a single three days here, bringing in
wenches, living like Greeks, hiring harpists and music-girls. In the secular world, their
idea of God always involved eating
and drinking. Therefore in Christianity there is no handout for
the musicians and rhetoricians as parasites. The priests and musical
Levites who made noise and not music were fed by the people by a
tithe of the food from the free lands. They ate and drank in the
Temple court areas. And so did all of the pagan temples which were
built specificially to BLEED OFF food from the poor and widows as did
the Pharisees. The church as synagogue or school of the Bible had no
free food to hand out to either Orphics or Dionysics so Christians
had better follow the synagogue which had no STAFF roles of
parasites: Parasitus: (parasitos, "table companion"). denoted originally
the priest's
assistant, who,
like the priest, received his SUPPORT from the offerings made to the
temple, in
return for certain services. These services included the COLLECTION
and care of
supplies of CORN due to the temple, assistance at certain
SACRIFICES, and the preparation of the BANQUETS connected with
certain festivals. Iin the Middle and New Greek
COMEDY, where it means the hanger on, who plays the FLATTERER and
BUFFOON, with a view to getting invited to dinner. The
parasite was transferred as a standing character to the Roman
imitations of Greek COMEDY, and figures largely in the plays of Plautus.
In the Postmodern churches
people are told that the musicians fill the Levitical singer roles
but this denies that Jesus paid the final price and tax. Furthermore,
they insist that the preachers are the priests and the TITHE is still
in effect to pay them.
See Madison Church of Christ imitation of the Shelly
plan. However, don't be fooled because Paul
said that the kingdom is not about EATING and DRINKING accompanied by
the musicians. Therefore, they are parasites: Parasitos , ho, one who eats at the table of
another, and repays him with flattery and buffoonery.... II. of priests who had their meals at the PUBLIC EXPENSE, Clitodem.11, Polem.Hist.78. Parasit-ia , hê, profession of a parasite, Luc. Par.37. EPIDICUS,
alone.) T. Maccius Plautus, Epidicus, or The Fortunate Discovert (ed.
Henry Thomas Riley) EPIDICUS (to himself) . I do think that in the
Attic land there is no spot of land so fertile as is this Periphanes
of ours; why, from the locked and sealed-up money-chest I summon forth silver just as much as I please. But
this, i' troth, I am afraid of, that if the old man should come to
know it, he'll be making parasites of elm-twigs Note
1 1 , to be shaving me quite
clean. But one matter and consideration disturbs me--what
music-girl, one that goes out on hire, I'm to show to Apæcides. (He muses.) And that
as well I've got: this morning the old gentleman bade me bring for
him on hire
some music-girl to his house here, to sing
for him while he was performing a sacrifice 2 She shall be
hired, and be instructed beforehand in what
way she's to prove
herself cunning
towards the old man. I'll away in-doors; I'll get the money out of
the swindled old
fellow. (He goes into
the house of PERIPHANES.) 1 Parasites of elm-twigs: He alludes to
the propensity of Parasites for devouring to the bone all who came in their way. 2 Performing a sacrifice: It was the custom, while private person were
sacrificing to the Lares
or household Gods, to have music performed upon the harp or the
pipe. The religious festivals have
been abrogated. Therefore, the weak wine-drinker is not to impose
his practices upon the church. The wineskin creed compares the
worship assembly to the exhilaration which comes from drinking
fermented, bubbling wine. This is a device to introduce the pagan
belief that wine and music represented the presence of God causing
the strange feelings. These feelings were pure
drug-induced or excitement-induced "highs" and do not represent the
presence of the kingdom unless you implicate the King in the wine
drinking or the pseudo-wine drinking, music-produced
excitement. Paul would say that the
excitement of the flesh is the sign of a weak believer and they must
not impose their practices upon the church. The spiritual "high" does
not come from: eating
and drinking but from So, whatever you think about
Romans 14 the focus on the externals of eating and drinking are not
kingdom related. We might tolerate someone
wanting "exhilaration" from worship but they are the weak brothers
and cannot be allowed to impose their views upon the strong
members. Rubel Shelly,
ACU: Frankly, it's a
bit difficult to be sure where these points of view originated. I
don't think we know. Were the "weak" Jewish believers who were offended by the Greek majority?
Or were the "weak" Gentile
Christians whose philosophies had led them to some extreme ascetic
type positions? We just don't know. That's a matter of opinion.
Mere matter of opinion. Whatever the origin
of their points of view, though, the problem's clear. They'd taken
some doctrinal stances. And it's also clear that both groups were
wrong and had sinned against each other. The weak had tended toward legalism: judgment and condemnation. The strong had tended toward an
air of superiority: judgment and condemnation. The pagan background in Rome
was of the Dionysics who were wine-drinking, meat-eating worshipers who
depended heavily on instrumental music. Dionysus the Meat- Eater's
wine- drinkers flute- player's God. Count the favorable mentions of
WINE in this review: "Dionysus is a strange
god. Although he is
best known as the god of wine, he is also a
vegetation deity, a god
of the liquid element,
a death god, "The duality of dionysus is related to another of his attributes, which is
that of loss
of
identity. The postmodern theology are, if the truth be
known, post garden of Eden and post Towers of Babylon. When people
lost sight of God and rejected His Word He sent them strong delusions
that they believe a lie and be damned. In the classical Book of Enoch
or book of Jubilees and three dozen other ancient view, the children
of Lamech including JUBAL they were used by SATAN to form mixed sex
choirs, use instruments, dress, color, decoraton and perverted
Click to see the Feminine nature of restored Dionysus
Wineskin religion. Dionysic music, dance and drama has always claimed to be
mediators between God and man. The modern ZOE concept of music and drama claim to be
mediators between God and man. The Orphics were the only "vegetarians" and they were also highly addicted to instrumental
music to "bring them into the presence of the gods." Josephus notes that
Vegetarianism was a religious movement which was Orphic in nature.
The Orphic religion was devoted to instrumental music. And
incidentally, the Rhea or Zoe principle was intimately connected. Zoe
or Sophia-Zoe or Eve was the one who forced the male "gods" to engage
in musical worship teams. We look specificially at this in Romans
15. This article will direct you to Orphic
music to determine whether you want those high male voices presiding
over the flock. "Orpheus was the most famous musician and poet of
ancient times. His
lyre, given to him by Apollo (after he invented the Cithara), could enchant
not only the wild animals, but the trees and rocks as well. As will
become obvious, Orphism is closely related in many ways to Dionysus,
and could be considered a reform of the Dionysian Mysteries and is
often regarded as the highest religious form in the ancient
world. Note the Cithara
- parasite connection in this article. "Orpheus is said to have
travelled to Egypt, where he learnt from the priests there and became
the most learned among the Greeks in all that concerns the
Gods and their initiatory rites. He excelled in the beauty of his verse and song,
and was believed to have discovered mysteries and how to achieve purification from sins, cures of diseases and means of
averting divine
wrath. These early
rites were said to be very similar to those of Dionysus but have also
been linked to the rites of Osiris and Isis." "There are many stories of his
death. Rejecting all women after the death of his wife, Orpheus was
torn to pieces by Thracian women; or in another version, he was dismembered by
Maenads (at Deium in Macedonia) at the urging
of Dionysus, who resented Orphic rejection of sacrificial
murder and the
worship of
Apollo (in whose temple
Orpheus served as a priest). The Oracle at Delphi to Apollo was quite identical to modern
Seeker-Centers used to dispense the "new wineskin" religion, women,
music, theater, swimming pool, gymnasium and gender-variant
sex. "There is more
about the Thracian
women. They were said
to have been put up to
their task by
Dionysus who was angry against Orpheus because
Orpheus had looked into the rites of the God. "The
Thracian women plotted his death, because he had persuaded their husbands to
follow him in his
wanderings and that,
first after having drinking much wine, they dared to kill him; hereafter, it is said their
men adopted the custom
to march to battle drunk. Some believe he was killed near Mount Pieria, and
close to this place an urn was preserved, which was said to contain
the bones of Orpheus. "It is also told
that when the women who
killed Orpheus wished
to wash off in a river the blood-stains, the river sank underground,
not wishing to lend its waters to cleanse manslaughter. "Orphic initiates (and the
stricter Pythagoreans) were vegetarians and also agreed to lifestyle and dietary
restrictions, like not eating beans (apart from the effects beans
have on the human body, they also resemble parts of it.) Pausanias
mentions that Demeter gave the human race the products of the earth excluding
beans. The refusal to
kill and to eat animals, was a radical step in a world of general
sacrifice to the Gods, and cut them off from many of the State
ceremonies." Paul had the same solution
which he commanded to the Ephesians and Colossians: that they teach
and admonish one
another with the
Word of
Christ (Spirit of God)
with the singing and melody in the heart. Rather, than Romans 14 giving
all of those who lust for the sexual stimulation provided by musical
and theatrical performance, Romans 15 was the absolute and only way
in which diverse groups could meet in the Christian assembly which
was most often the "synagogue." In these meetings, one did not
gather to get his "fix" with a religious high. Rather, the assembly
or synagogue was almost exclusively to worshp God in the only way one
can worship Him "in spirit" or in the mind and "in truth" which
dishonors Christ if we use our own words. This, Jesus says, makes one
a liar like Satan who "speaks on his own." Again, look at Dr. Shelly's
consistent method of cutting verses into halves or quoting just up to
the "punch line." That is darn handy
and using the "core principle" of Narrative Theology to take
fragments and construct one's own narrative. Never mind that rather than
giving permission for "music"--which is never a Biblical, worship
word--Paul issues a direct command which for a One Another teaching
process: > Is the only way to fulfill the concept of worship "in
spirit" rather than "in the carnal body" and in "truth" as the Words
of Christ as opposed to using Satan's method of "speaking of his own"
and being called by Jesus "a liar." > It is the only way to prevent the
"sowing of discord" if two instrumental music sects did their own
thing. > Contrary to this, those who introduce instruments or
'theatrical
performers' know
beforehand and with a high hand "sow discord" and "offend many of
these little ones." This is the terminal, beyond redemption
consequence of rejecting all but the CORE GOSPEL and being sent a
strong dilusion which, in the pagan world, was most often with new
wine, women and instrumental performance: "The idolatry of talent."
James treats "respect of persons" as the "trap stick" which drops the
entire Law on one's head. When David sang to the Gentiles
it was the musical "triumph over" which Judas would try on Jesus.
David shed the blood OF the Gentiles. However, Christ shed His blood
FOR the Gentiles and His "singing" is not the Hebrew, musical war
chant but the gospel of peace. Rubel Shelly, ACU: The doctrine, I repeat,
doctrine, held by either
group was tolerable to
Paul. Paul said, "Now, there's a right on
each of these. But it's okay for you to hold whichever position you're committed to." It was difficult to the
charismatic pagans to abandon their deeply-held beliefs. Therefore,
Paul said that you can "receive" a wine drinker in the sense of meal
fellowship. Or, you can receive him into the collective assembly
which HAD NO PRAISE SERVICE and assuredly NO INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC for
the purpose of doing "synagogue." That is, you could receive a
vegetarian musical member into the assembly to be taught by the
revealed Words of Christ. However, Paul did not approve of their old
superstition and neither should we. If a WINE DRINKER or a drunkard
wants to attend "synagogue" he can attend. If you want to take him to
lunch you do not sin by that association. However, it is a sign of
terminal ignorance to allow such a lost person to defend wine
drinking as something Paul would approve of when the "proof text" is
that Jesus also drank wine, manufactured 180 gallon of the pure stuff
for an already drunken wedding party with a young bride sure to get
pregnant, and therefore THE INCARNATE GOD OF THE UNIVERSE endorses
wine drinking. How can you fall into such depths. That happens when
you believe and teach the CORE GOSPEL and insist that all of the rest
is a product of Narrative Theology made to fit the occupaton of the
Bible writers. Paul did not mean to rule
out association with these weak people but certainly the Orphic,
musical vegetarian sect should not promote their pagan musical
worship. Rubel Shelly, ACU: The doctrine held by either group was tolerable to him, but the attitude displayed by both groups was intolerable to him. Thus, Paul was
grieved that harsh feelings over these non-fundamental issues were causing a rift in
the church. So, he reminded them that
Jesus is the
Lord over all believers
(verse 9), and told them that they had no right, no right, to sit in
judgment on each other (verses 10 and 11). Paul said that a
strong
person can either
rest on Saturday or mow the lawn on Saturday. It is not part of
Christian teaching. However, Paul did not say that he was wishy-washy
or held no opinion. We noted that he was totally afraid of believers
who continued to believe
Legalistic or Paganistic superstitions. Paul wasn't talking about a
church but a SYNAGOGUE or ekklesia. The ekklesia was a school of the
Bible and of Christ. Paul wasn't telling them to TOLERATE old habits
of DRINKING WINE but to leave all such discussions out of the
assembly which was not like their PAGAN WORSHIP RITUALS. He was not
telling them to TOLERATE MUSIC but in chapter fifteen defined the
synagogue and repudiated ANYTHING used by charismatic musicians to
LADE the burden of exciting spiritual anxiety. That would include
CHARISMATIC preaching which, in Corinth, was the most divisive OLD
TRADITION of counting disciples. He that regardeth
the day, regardeth it
unto the Lord; and he
that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it.
He that eateth,
eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; Because they didn't eat meat
and observe days and seasons "in the church" Paul is still speaking of social discourse: meal fellowship. He is not defining
how "I" can add instrumental instruments to the church assembly and
say that "you" have no right to pass judgment upon it. They didn't drink
wine in church so we cannot add instruments to "worship" misusing
Paul. They didn't tolerate eating meat sacrificed to idols on the
Lord's Table so there is no logic to add either the Dionysic or
Orphic music to the worship. If I meet a friend for lunch
and I know that he drinks wine, I receive
him or "have meal fellowship" with Him but I do not endorse him or
miss an opportunity to warn him. Perhaps he can drink will all of his
life and not get addicted. John the Baptist would not meet
at a meal in a public sense because wine would be present. The liars
used this to prove that Jesus was a winebibber or wine dinker. Jesus
said in effect: "you are liars." And so they were. But... Rubel Shelly,
ACU: These same
issues are
still matters of
doctrine, not opinion,
among people in our churches. We don't have many who press for
vegetarianism. I've met a few. They wear fake fur coats. (laughter) I
can take you to
some who argue
vehemently about the appropriateness of Christians observing
Passover or Christmas, or Earth Day.
And I guarantee that I can
cause a church
fight in your
congregation by putting the question, "Can a Christian drink alcoholic beverages?" on the floor. I can guarantee that you will
have one with the Holy, Incarnate God of the universe over that one.
If drinking wine is a
second order truth
(actually promoted by the wineskin creed) then dancing naked (ala David) is a second order truth. We
have heard it used as "an approved example" for Christian
worship! Just settle the issue and tell
everyone that Paul said eat and drink at home. So wine drinking is
clearly not a doctrinal, meaning a Christ-taught "act of worship" for
the assembly. So, it is not rational to jump
from social drinking to permitting an organ or "Sister Singers" to
flaunt their fares on stage standing between God and His
people. Rubel Shelly,
ACU: And the disputants
will not be content to say their point of view is a mere matter of opinion, either, and "It's fine with me,
brother, if you do otherwise." Either side will appeal to the Bible
and believe that it's case is right and the other's wrong.
And be not drunk with wine,
wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; Eph 5:18 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual
songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; Eph 5:19
FORASMUCH then as Christ
hath suffered for us in
the flesh, arm
yourselves likewise with
the same mind: for he
that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 1 Pet 4:1
That he no longer
should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. 1 Pet 4:2 For the time past
of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles,
when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable 1 Pet : 1 Pet 4:3
The conclusions of the false
accusers and Fred: and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. Matt
11:19a Who are they? They are the
adversaries of Christ. What was the response of
Jesus? But
wisdom is justified of her children. Matt 11:19b We might say: "The proof of the
pudding is in the eating." Therefore, if Jesus was a tippler or
winebibber then they could say: "We saw you drunk in the market."
Since they didn't have any evidence then Jesus called them
liars. Jesus said "I
drank." You say "I'm a drunk." You have no witnesses
therefore your accusations are the children of your folish
lying. Jesus DRANK but the
BLASPHEMERS said that He DRANK WINE: Oiopotes (g3630) oy-nop-ot'-ace; from 3631 and a
der. of the alt. of 4095; a tipler: - winebibber. Rubel Shelly gives you his
permission to DRINK WINE where even "communion wine" is spiked up to
about 18% alcohol. You couldn't drink a glass of modern wine without
being guilt of: Oinophlugia (g3632) oy-nof-loog-ee'-ah; from 3631 and a form of
the base of 5397; an overflow (or surplus) of wine, i.e. vinolency
(drunkenness): - excess of wine. Phluaros (g5397) floo'-ar-os; from phluo, (to bubble); a garrulous person, i.e. prater: - tattler The NEW WINE Rubel Shelly is
speaking of is the BUBBLING wine which is a product of the WINE VAT
and not of the wineskin. Here is REVELLING. The little
box on the flute case is the JUDAS BAG. Drinkin, music, music,
dancing and perversion were part of the komo. The box contained "the
mouthpieces of wind instruments." After all, Psalm 41 prophesied that
Judas would try to TRIUMPH over Jesus. This word includes "blowing
wind instruments and 'making a joyful noise before the Lord'." This
was the WARRIOR'S PANIC ATTACK. Komos (g2970) ko'-mos; from
2749; a carousal (as if a letting loose): - revelling, rioting.
Hermes then defines a tippler: Aristotle said: And the
pleasanter
wine is not the wine
pleasant to a man whose
palate has been
corrupted by
tippling, since sometimes
they pour in a dash of
vinegar, but to the
uncorrupted
taste. And: For taste is concerned with discriminating flavors, as is done by wine-tasters, and cooks preparing savory dishes
Aristotle Politics: Or by the usage of language. Thus any
...........and order them to wear tunics under
their cloaks
.......... and knee-boots on their feet,
.......... and to teach their sons lyre-playing [kitharizein]
.......... and song [psallein]
and dance
.......... and shop-keeping [huckstering].
.......... And quickly, O king,
........... you shall see them become women instead of men,
........... so that you need not fear them,
that they might
revolt."
The commanded method is with ONE MIND and ONE MOUTH
The commanded resource is "that which is written"
The commanded purpose is to teach and adomonish one another
The commanded worship result is that we glorify GOD by speaking His
Words
The commended result is that we keep the unity which even discussing
the musical practices of the SECTARIANS in Rome would produce.
7/23/047/7/03
Shelly at
ACU: Wine Drinking focus and DIRTY PICTURES
of the New Style Worship. Instrument players were always perverted
and known as PARASITES.
nor does he say, do not blame him,
nor yet, do not set
him right;
........... regard to a religious festival,
........... a New Moon celebration
........... or a Sabbath day. Col 2:16
........... I. to be drunken with wine, Od., etc.;
m. hupo tou oinou
........... ...........
Under your Wine
...........
II. metaph. of things,
boeiê methuousa aloiphêi an ox-hide soaked in oil,
Il.
........... 2. of persons, to be drunken or intoxicated with passion, pride, etc., Xen., Plat.
II. c. acc. pers. to overpower by flute-playing:--generally, to overpower,
strike
dumb, Eur.
I. a drinking-party,
symposium, Theogn.,
Hdt., etc.
II. the room in which such parties were given, drinking-room,
Luc.
........... Which are a shadow
of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Col 2:17
2. one who dines
with a superior officer, Arist.Fr.551.
Parasit-eô , board and lodge with, tini Pl.La. 179b.
2. play the parasite, aph' hou parasitô
from the time I became a parasite,
II. to be honoured with a seat at the public table, Plu.Sol.24 ; prop. of the priests named
parasitoi
righteousness, peace
and joy in the Spirit of Christ Who promised to
be in our midst without being called down by a musical
performance.
a god who comes into and
changes,
often irrevocably, the normal community life,
and lastly the god of the theatre.
and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God
thanks. Romans 14:6 
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Oh! the delicious tipple,
half-wine,
half-water!