Revelation 5

Ronnie Norman: Revelation 5. Holding the harps means to have A holy spirit so that you can understand the spoken Word of God.  Only those with A holy spirit can speak externally and have the heart strings vibrate exactly in harmony with the spoken word.  That means that A holy spirit is A receiver of the Spiritual content of the written word of God. No one plays harps in heaven and only Satan or Lucifer leads humans to play instruments while pretending to be listening to the voice of Jesus Christ.

Ronnie Norman gives the usual prooftexts: Rev 5  have a harp, holding bowls, sang a new song

If you don't know the problem in Revelation 5 you do not have A holy spirit and you will not be able to read black text on white paper.

Q. WHAT IS THE PROBLEM
A. Matt. 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

1. No man could read and loose the seals of the Word of God--the seven spirits OF God.
2. To qualify they must HOLD the harp of God: heart strings will vibrate back only what they hear from the ONE with the right to READ the Book and strike the heart string with His words.  Isaiah 55 says that we must RETURN the water of the Word like the water cycle. Isaiah 58 says we must not speak our own words.
3. Paul made it clear: It is the spirit or mind which must vibrate WHEN we speak that which is written with one MIND and one MOUTH.
4. This is a common literary figure.
5. That is one of the MARKS so that when they lie about the Words of Jesus Christ and impose musical instruments their intent is to shut the mouth of Jesus and take you captive for Satan.

THE PROBLEM STATED

Rev. 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of
        him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside,
        sealed with seven seals.

Rev. 5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice,
        Who is worthy to open the book,
        and to loose the seals thereof?

Rev. 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth,
        was able to open the book,
        neither to look thereon.

Rev. 5:4 And I wept much,
        because no man was found worthy to open
        and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

Rev. 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me,

Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David,
        hath prevailed to open the book,
        and to loose the seven seals thereof.

LOOSING THE SEALS LET US READ BLACK TEXT ON WHITE PAPER.

The Word is sealed: Jesus spoke to the clergy in parables from the foundation of the world because from Isaiah 49 they would use it to fleece the lambs, eat their flesh and craunch their bones.

The task is to LOOSE the seals: the seals are our own mind or spirit: it will not vibrate in tune with the mind of Christ.  Therefore, HOLDING harms means that they have the mental power to vibrate. No one PLAYS harps in heaven.

Rev. 5:6 And I beheld, and,
        lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts,
        and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain,
        having seven horns and seven eyes,
        which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

The horns of the LAMB are all related to Divine knowledge: the seven Spirits OF God resting on the Branch or Candlestick

AND there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: Isaiah 11:1

And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord; Isaiah 11:2

And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: Isaiah 11:3

But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth:
and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth,
and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. Isaiah 11:4

And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins. Isaiah 11:5

The Lamb took the book out of the RIGHT HAND of the Throne.

Rev. 5:7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

Rev. 5:8 And when he had taken the book,
        the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb,
        having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours,
        which are the prayers of saints.

WHEN JESUS SPEAKS WE MUST FALL IN REVERENCE AND GODLY FEAR.

The direct command is to SPEAK that which is written.
The EFFECT for the baptized believer is that the BOOK causes the heart strings to vibrate in sympathy with God's movement.

The Odes of Solomon Ode 6

1 As the hand moves over the harp, and the strings speak,
2 So speaks in my members the Spirit of the Lord, and I speak by His love.
3 For it destroys what is foreign and everything that is bitter:
6 And the praise of His name He gave us:
        our spirits praise His holy Spirit.

7 For there went forth a stream and became a river great and broad
8 For it flooded and broke up everything and it brought (water) to the Temple;

The Scribes and Pharisees (Hypocrites, rhetoricians, singers musicians) RESTRAIN the Word of God: that is their job. The doctors of the law take away the key to knowledge.

9 And the restrainers of the children of men were not able to restrain it,
        nor the arts of those whose business it is to restrain waters; 

Luke 5:17  And it came to pass on a certain day, as he was teaching, that there were Pharisees and doctors of the law sitting by, which were come out of every town of Galilee, and Judaea, and Jerusalem: and the power of the Lord was present to heal them. 

Luke 5:21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?

Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Ode 12: 

1 He hath filled me with words of truth; that I may speak the same;
2 And like the flow of waters flows truth from my mouth, and my lips show forth His fruit.

3 And He has caused His knowledge to abound in me, because the mouth of the Lord is the true Word, and the door of His light;

Let the word of Christ (spirit) dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. Colossians 3:16

4 And the Most High hath given it to His words,

which are the interpreters of His own beauty,
and the repeaters of His praise, and
the confessors of His counsel and
the heralds of His thought and
the chasteners of His servants.

When you cannot read BLACK text on White paper until you turn to Christ (2 Cor 3) in baptism and receive A holy spirit you are a MAN whose heart or mind will not, cannot, vibrate in direct harmony with the Spirit Who speaks the Words.

Therefore, why would holding a literal "machine for doing hard work" help you read the inspired Word. Can you REALLY understand the Word of the Spirit BETTER while people MAKE MUSIC to vibrate your BODY PARTS?

The word never means to PLAY a harp. Holding the harp of God means that your spirit possesses mentality or the ability to UNDERSTAND what you CANNOT understand except when Jesus Christ is supplying the power:

THE GODLY POWER WITH A HOLY SPIRIT

Only believers can HOLD:

1907.  epecho, ep-ekh´-o; from 1909 and 2192; to hold upon, i.e. (by implication) to retain; (by extension) to detain; (with implication, of 3563) to pay attention to: -- give (take) heed unto, hold forth, mark, stay.

Col. 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels,
        intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
Col. 2:19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands
        having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.

1Tim. 1:19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away
        concerning faith have made shipwreck:
1Tim. 1:20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan,
        that they may learn not to blaspheme.
1Tim. 3:9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.

Titus 1:7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry,
        not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
Titus 1:8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
Titus 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught,
        that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.  

Holding harps never means PLAYING literal machines.

Holding or Having the "harp of God" means:

Echo Keep balanced, keep on guard 9. possess mentally, understand, taming, do you understand? attend! listen!  know of a thing,  damazo subdue, conquer, be subject to one another. Subdue epithumia passion, longing after, sexual appetite,.

The literature assure us of that:

Homer Iliad 475] Alcimedon, what man beside of the Achaeans is of like worth to curb and guide the spirit of immortal steeds, save only Patroclus, the peer of the gods in counsel, while yet he lived? But now death and fate have come upon him.

[580] Whoever hears the story of these deeds must extol the city and the leaders of her host; and the grace of Zeus that brought them to accomplishment shall receive its due measure of gratitude. There, you have heard all that I have to say.

"The Lyre, according to its primary significance, may by the psalmist be used figuratively for the Lord; accordingly to its secondary, for those who continually strike the chords of their souls under the direction of the Choir-master, the Lord. And if the people saved be called the lyre, it will be understood to be in consequence of their giving glory musically, through the inspiration of the Word and the knowledge of God, being struck by the Word so as to produce faith.

"You may take music in another way, as the ecclesiastical symphony at once of the law and the prophets, and the apostles along with the Gospel, and the harmony which obtained in each prophet, in the transitions of the persons. --(Clement of Alexandrian allegorizes instrumental music, Stromata, Book VI, Chapt XI, Ante-Nicene, II, p. 500).

MAKING THE HEART STRINGS SING

So my heart laments for Moab like a flute;
it laments like a flute for the men of Kir Hareseth. The wealth they acquired is gone. Je.48:36

My heart laments for Moab like a harp,
my inmost being for Kir Hareseth. Is.16:11

And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.Lu.1:47
Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: Ac.2:26

In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight. Lu.10:21

THE UNGODLY SATAN TRYING TO AMBUSH GOD'S PEOPLE

Holding in the literal musical instrument sense:

Echo   10. keep up, maintain, kanachên eche made a rattling noise, of flutes and lyres,  

KANACHE   A.sharp sound; esp. ring or clang of metal,  loud rang their tramp, gnashing of teeth aulôn sound of flutes,

Bacchylides, Epinicians.
Daughters of Zeus ruling on high, famed for the lyre, ... Pierian Muses ... weave ... [5]  Isthmian land ... son-in-law of wise Nereus ... ... of the island ... [10]  god-built gates of Pelops' shining island ... ... [15]  yoked horses to chariots, [20]  and they flew ... ... [45]  thick ... maidens ... [50]  of sleep, like honey to the mind ... our ... ancient city ... [homes] on the shores of the sea ... [55]  [and under] the rays of the sun ... ... and Makelo, loving the distaff, ... [75]  by the fair-flowing stream ... speaks ... fawning with the voice ... ... I am bereaved ... with double-edged grief

Fame, whose gifts are revered, speed to holy Ceos bringing the gracious message: [5]  that Argeius won the victory in the battle of bold hands, and brought to mind the fine deeds which we, from the holy island of Euxantius, have shown at the famous neck of the Isthmus, [10]  winning seventy garlands. the native Muse summons the sweet clang of flutes, honoring the dear son of Pantheides with victory songs.

Pindar Pythian 10 [31] Once Perseus, the leader of his people, entered their homes and feasted among them, when he found them sacrificing glorious hecatombs of donkeys to the god. In the festivities of those people [35] and in their praises Apollo rejoices most, and he laughs when he sees the erect arrogance of the beasts. [37] The Muse is not absent from their customs; all around swirl the dances of girls, the lyre«s loud chords and the cries of flutes. [40] They wreathe their hair with golden laurel branches and revel joyfully. No sickness or ruinous old age is mixed into that sacred race; without toil or battles [43] they live without fear of strict Nemesis....For [60] people«s minds are tickled by various desires; [61] but whatever each man strives for, let him hold on to it eagerly if he gets it, the concern that is close at hand. It is impossible to foresee what will happen a year from now. I trust in the gentle friendship of Thorax; he made busy efforts for my sake, [65] and yoked this four-horse chariot of the Pierian Muses, a friend for a friend, going gladly arm in arm 

Some passages:

Iliad 19. And the gleam thereof went up to heaven, and all the earth round about laughed by reason of the flashing of bronze; and there went up a din from beneath the feet of men; and in their midst goodly Achilles arrayed him for battle. [365] There was a gnashing of his teeth, and his two eyes blazed as it had been a flame of fire, and into his heart there entered grief that might not be borne. Thus in fierce wrath against the Trojans he clad him in the gifts of the god, that Hephaestus had wrought for him with toil. The greaves first he set about his legs:

ILIAD [95] Nay, return thou back, when once thou hast set a light of deliverance amid the ships, and suffer the rest to battle over the plain. For I would, O father Zeus, and Athene, and Apollo, that no man of the Trojans might escape death, of all that there are, neither any of the Argives, but that we twain might escape destruction, [100] that alone we might loose the sacred diadem of Troy. On this wise spake they one to the other, but Aias no longer abode, for he was sore beset with darts; the will of  overmastering him, and the lordly Trojans with their missiles; and terribly did the bright helm about his temples [105] ring continually, as it was smitten, for smitten it ever was upon the well-wrought cheek-pieces, and his left shoulder grew weary as he ever firmly held his flashing shield; nor might they beat it back about him, for all they pressed him hard with darts. And evermore was he distressed by laboured breathing, [110] and down from his limbs on every side abundant sweat kept streaming, nor had he any wise respite to get his breath withal, but every way evil was heaped upon evil.

ILIAD 18:[490] Therein fashioned he also two cities of mortal men exceeding fair. In the one there were marriages and feastings, and by the light of the blazing torches they were leading the brides from their bowers through the city, and loud rose the bridal song. And young men were whirling in the dance, and in their midst [495] flutes and lyres sounded continually; and there the women stood each before her door and marvelled. But the folk were gathered in the place of assembly; for there a strife had arisen, and two men were striving about the blood-price of a man slain; the one avowed that he had paid all, [500] declaring his cause to the people, but the other refused to accept aught; and each was fain to win the issue on the word of a daysman. Moreover, the folk were cheering both, shewing favour to this side and to that. And heralds held back the folk, and the elders were sitting upon polished stones in the sacred circle, [505] holding in their hands the staves of the loud-voiced heralds...

[520] But when they were come to the place where it seemed good unto them to set their ambush, in a river-bed where was a watering-place for all herds alike, there they sate them down, clothed about with flaming bronze. Thereafter were two scouts set by them apart from the host, waiting till they should have sight of the sheep and sleek cattle.

[525] And these came presently, and two herdsmen followed with them playing upon pipes; and of the guile wist they not at all.

Pindar,  Pythian 10.[31] Once Perseus, the leader of his people, entered their homes and feasted among them, when he found them sacrificing glorious hecatombs of donkeys to the god. In the festivities of those people [35] and in their praises Apollo rejoices most, and he laughs when he sees the erect arrogance of the beasts. [37] The Muse is not absent from their customs; all around swirl the dances of girls, the lyre's loud chords and the cries of flutes. [40] They wreathe their hair with golden laurel branches and revel joyfully.

EVIL MAKING MELODY ON THE HEART!

Hecuba Alas! a dreadful trial is near, it seems, [230] full of mourning, rich in tears. Yes, I too escaped death where death had been my due, and Zeus did not destroy me but is still preserving my life, that I may witness in my misery fresh sorrows surpassing all before. But if the bond may ask the free of things that do not GRIEVE them or WRENCH their heart-strings, you ought to speak in answer to my questions and I ought to hear what you have to say.

Euripides Ion

The bowstring touch'd her breast, so strong she drew;

Whizzing in air the fatal arrow flew.

At once the twanging bow and sounding dart 

The traitor heard, and felt the point within his heart.

Thy scarlet-tinctured foot? or from my bow

The lyre of Phoebus [Apollo, Apollyon] to thy notes attuned

Will not protect thee; farther stretch thy wings;

 

Go, wanton, skim along the Delian lake,

Or wilt thou steep thy melody in blood.

 

Look, what strange bird comes onwards; wouldst thou fix

Beneath the battlements thy straw-built nest?

 

My singing bow shall drive thee hence; begone,

Or to the banks of Alpheus, gulfy stream, grace

Or to the Isthmian grove; there hatch thy young;

P. Vergilius Maro, Aeneid

She said, and from her quiver chose with speed
The winged shaft, predestin'd for the deed;
Then to the stubborn yew her strength applied,
Till the far distant horns approach'd on either side.
The bowstring touch'd her breast, so strong she drew;
Whizzing in air the fatal arrow flew.

At once the twanging bow and sounding dart
The traitor heard, and felt the point within his heart.
Him, beating with his heels in pangs of death,
His flying friends to foreign fields bequeath.

The conqu'ring damsel, with expanded wings,
The welcome message to her mistress brings. 

Only Jesus Christ can open the Words of Spirit and Life and Paul difined the two roles of the synagogue or ekklesia: this ins INCLUSIVE and EXCLUSIVE:

We silence any diversity of dialog (Rom 15)
We "sing that which is written" and
We "teach that which has been taught."

We KNOW and do not COMPOSE the song: it says that Jesus Christ by virtue of His death gets the right to speak for himself through the BOOK which he left as the Spirit OF the prophets and by guiding the Apostles into ALL truth.

Rev. 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying,
        Thou art worthy to take the book,
                and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain,
        and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood
                out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
        And hast made us unto our God kings and priests:
                and we shall reign on the earth. Rev. 5:10

That means that we do not need, cannot tolerate human mediators as musicians.

Rev. 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels
        round about the throne and the beasts and the elders:
        and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

Rev. 5:12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power,
         and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

Saying is 3004 lego: relate in words of a systematic or set discourse
loquor talk, whisper,  to speak, talk, say (in the lang. of common life, in the tone of conversation;
logik-os A. of or for speaking or speech, opposite to mousikê, D.H. Comp. 11; l. phantasia expressed in speech,
Mousikos II. of persons, skilled in music, musical, III. of things, elegant, delicate, brômata Diox.1 ; professional musicians,  mousikos kai melôn poêtês, hêdion ouden, oude -ôteron Philem.23 ; harmonious [in tune], fitting, trophê

Rev. 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying,

Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Rev. 5:14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

THUS ENDS THE ONLY DEFINITION OF A CHURCH OR SYNAGOGUE WHERE THE ONLY TEACHER IS JESUS CHRIST AND ONLY WHEN WE HAVE A HOLY SPIRIT AND THE WORDS OF CHRIST (Spirit) CAUSES OUR SPIRIT TO RESPOND IN SYMPATHY.

If the rhetoricians are just FABRICATING stuff and the singers are making the BLOOD PUMP speed up or the MACHINES attack you then APOLLO HAS LANDED and his agents inted to Silence the Mouth of the Lamb.

6.05.08

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