Shout to The Lord and Praise: Worship or Judgment - The Triumphal EntryOf the charismatic prophets: For every man that is mad, and maketh himself a prophet, that thou shouldest put him in prison, and in the stocks. Jeremiah 29:26
This "prophesying" was singing, dancing, playing instruments and even getting violent to try to force the gods to deliver them a first-hand revelation. Unfortunately, they almost always put the revelations up for sale.
You seem to have the revelation that eludes millions of people, the oneness of God. You are very correct in your saying that Jesus is God in the flesh, Praise God for His truth.
Now the worship part is the matter that robs a lot of people of an awesome experience with Him. To God it is not an embarrassment when people worship Him in song and shouting His name. When He rode into Jerusalem on a donkey the people were shouting and praising Him at the top of there lungs, giving Him His rightful exaltations and praise. The apostles thought it to be an embarrassment and asked the Lord to have them keep quit. Jesus responded in this fashion; That if they didn't do it the rocks would cry out. I don't know about you, I don't want any rock taking my place of worship to the one who set me free from a world of sin and shame. The KJV is the only version I will read because of it's purity in text, I know there are some minor errors that have no relevance to salvation, but it is the closest that we have to the original.
First, David, allow me to answer your letter in greater detail and then share it with others who also question my views about coming before God in silence when He is in His Holy temple -- me. There was only room for two in the Most Holy Place, the priest and God.
Second, people who see "judgmentalism" cannot read past the point at which their views are at risk, should understand that since I have no mercinary "dog in this fight," my goal is to try to lay out what the Bible says and let others judge whether it is right or wrong. After all, Paul often used the word "dialogue" which is not preaching or trying to "revive through external means."
Thanks for reading and dialoguing. If nothing else is gained, I believe that what follows is a valuable approach to the study of any subject. Failure to study beyond getting fodder for sermons or classes leads -- has lead -- to an American church wrapped up in what it calls "worship" but which insults God by ignoraing His Word. This, I believe, is the fulfillment of prophecy that when people will figuratively "murder" over the right to "take aways the keys to knowledge." It leads to hungering and thirsting for the Word. But if Amos 5, 6 and 8 means anything they will die because agents of darkness, we are told, "cannot dominate a people until they first hate them."
I have found that what we call "fellowship" does not come in clusters, but as one writer has noted: "One grape at a time." When God couldn't find a good vineyard He looked for a vine; when He couldn't find a good vine He looked for a cluster; when He couldn't find a good cluster He looked for a good grape; and when He couldn't find a good grape He looked for a drop of juice. We can take it as a given that popular opinions are usually wrong and those who find the indispensable "grape" which we share is a rescue from the liberal nineteenth heresy (yea, of calling God three persons or people). Even somewhat liberal scholars, such as Paul Tillich, called this near-blasphemy. A lot of the poems-to-silence-Scripture as "singing" come out of the other charismatic wing which even worships God as three gods with three names. This involves worshiping the "name" of the Father, name of the Son and the "name" of the Holy Spirit.
"This God is never called a person. The word person was never applied to God in the Middle ages. The reason for this is that the three members of the trinity were called personae (faces or countenances): The Father is persona, the Son is persona, and the Spirit is persona. Persona here means a special characteristic of the divine ground, expressing itself in an independent hypostasis. Thus, we can say that it was the nineteenth century which made God into a person, with the result that the greatness of the classical idea of God was destroyed by this way of speaking... but to speak of God as a person would have been heretical for the Middle Ages; it would have been to them a Unitarian heresy, because it would have conflicted with the statement that God has three personae, three expressions of his being. (Tillich, Paul, History of Christian Thought, p. 190)
I know that you understand that earlier Catholic scholars never saw God as a polytheistic God; they used the word personae which means masks or roles. Because God made us a "triune being" and in His image we might understand God as having a Triune nature but, heaven help our illiterate-and-happy-about-it starved souls, God didn't create Adam as triplets.
Well, we both may have had our minds scrambled by all of that sea duty, but we understand that "Holy" is not the first name of a god-person named Holy Spirit. The name of the Father, the name of the Son and the Name of the Spirit is Jesus or Jehovah-Saves -- if we can hear and believe. Peter understood this simple fact on the day of Pentecost, and thereafter, when people were baptized -- and all that we do -- is done in the name of Jesus Christ.
I agree with your elders that you have a zeal for the Words of Christ which He identified as "Spirit and Life" (John 6:63). With that zeal you will "find out the truth." As my contribution to a dialog about shouting as an act of collective worship, I will simply lay out the passages which I believe I have not scooped up just to fill in the blanks of what I believe. I do believe, however, that you have taken a sneak into the NIV or RSV; they use the word "shouting." The NAS uses "crying out"; the NKJV uses "saying." One shouts or crys out as they say the words of God so that others, who cannot read or do not have the same free words, can understand.
I will develop my opinion later based upon the notion that "praising" was not just saying, "Praise the Lord" or singing human compositions as a legalistic "act of worship." Rather, praising or singing was always done by telling others what God has done using the Words of Christ. If I tell you my "experience" you can always discount it because you cannot know my spirit. However, if I praise God by telling about His experiences with mankind then I cannot go wrong.
Let's Begin in The Old Testament in order to gather all of the "grapes."
The word which the KJV translates as "shouted" is outlawed for congregational meetings in the Old Testament
But when the congregation is to be gathered together, ye shall blow, but ye shall not sound an alarm Numbers 10:7
And if ye go to war in your land against the enemy that oppresseth you, then ye shall blow an alarm with the trumpets; and ye shall be remembered before the Lord your God, and ye shall be saved from your enemies. Numbers 10:9
The full definition (or uses) of alarm or triumph is:
Ruwa (h7321) roo-ah'; a prim. root; to mar (espec. by breaking); fig. to split the ears (with sound), i. e. shout (for alarm or joy): - blow an alarm, cry (alarm, aloud, out), destroy, make a joyful noise, smart, shout for joy, sound an alarm, triumph.
Ruwph (h7322) roof; a prim. root; prop. to triturate (in a mortar), i. e. (fig.) to agitate (by concussion): - tremble.
This is quite identical to "singing" as external melody where melody is derived from "to triturate or to grind into bits." This was allowed to call an assembly or to panic the enemy because, as the evidence is very clear, any lout singing, shouting or preaching is deliberately designed to "panic the enemy ir order to triumph over them." We have noted that this is mental, guerrilla warfare conducted by one who "tries to dominate those whom they have first come to despise as inferior."
Judas was such a musician because his bag was uniquely made to carry the mouthpieces of wind instruments. The Psalmist defends this conclusion by saying:
By this I know that thou favourest me, because mine enemy doth not triumph over me. Psalm 41:11
This is ruwa which includes to use wind instruments to blow an alarm, cry our or try to triumph over someone. Judas, as Satan's agent, may hve already "despised Jesus" before he was able to "dominate" or set the agenda for the group.
In none of the classical artwork have we found the bag for carrying mouthpieces disconnected from the flute bag. As Paul identified speaking in tongues with musical performance, the Judas Bag comes from a word made up of "speaking in tongues" and "from the world."
Job understood this noise to mean:The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof. Job 26:11
Now why dost thou cry out aloud? is there no king in thee? is thy counselor perished? for pangs have taken thee as a woman in travail. Micah 4:9
David danced the whirling dance which was modelled after an animal trying to fling out a reluctant baby. He had donned the linen ephod reserved for the priest and in his dancing he threw it off. In the same way, the Jewish clergy tried to force Jesus into the choral dance of Dionysus which meant that He would spin around naked "as a woman in travail."
And David danced before the Lord with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod. 2S.6:14
Karar (h3769) kaw-rar'; a prim. root; to dance (i. e. whirl): - dance (-ing).
God said that when men failed, He sent His own Arm as Intercessor and Redeemer. When we have confidence we are not tempted to try to find God.
The Signs Of Defeat
When Israel turned to shouting at Mount Sinai they were repeating the worship of Apis (or Hathor or Osiris) with what they had always practiced as musical "praise." God pronounced sentence upon them, established the clergy to keep the people away from His symbolic presence in the Synagogue, refused to go with them in a personal sense into the promised land and conditionally sentenced them to captivity and death.
As the final straw broke, Saul and David were allowed by God to rule Israel like the nations because Israel rejected God. Both Saul and David lost their confident connection with God and engaged in the "like the nations" form of musical play or praise:
Shaga (h7696) shaw-gah'; a prim. root; to rave through insanity: - (be, play the) mad (man).
Shiggaown (h7697} shig-gaw-yone'; from 7696; craziness: - furiously, madness.
And he changed his behavior (turned into another man) before them, and feigned himself mad in their hands, and scrabbled (drummed) on the doors of the gate, and let his spittle fall down upon his beard. 1 Samuel 21:13
David's praise was like that of the nations with no hope.
Halal (h1984) haw-lal'; a prim. root; to be clear (orig. of sound, but usually of color); to shine; hence to make a show, to boast; and thus to be (clamorously) foolish; to rave; causat. to celebrate; also to stultify: - (make) boast (self), celebrate, commend, (deal, make), fool (- ish, -ly), glory, give [light], be (make, feign self) mad (against), give in marriage, [sing, be worthy of] praise, rage, renowned, shine.
In a story almost identical to the creation account God's created people had become void and empty. This "becoming" void and empty would be repeated many times including when Jesus came to recreate the "earth" or fruitful places. Jeremiah continued the account:
For I have heard a voice as of a woman in travail, and the anguish as of her that bringeth forth her first child, the voice of the daughter of Zion, that bewaileth herself, that spreadeth her hands, saying, Woe is me now for my soul is wearied because of murderers. Jeremiah 4:31
Chalah (h2470( khaw-law'; a prim. root [comp. 2342, 2470, 2490]; prop. to be rubbed or worn; hence (fig.) to be weak, sick, afflicted; ... woman in travail, be (become) weak, be wounded.
Chuwl (h2342) khool; or 2427 kheel; a prim. root; prop. to twist or whirl in a circular or spiral manner), i. e. (spec.) to dance, to writhe in pain (especially of parturition) or fear; fig. to wait, to pervert:... dance, drive away, fall grievously (with pain), ... travail (with pain), tremble,
Chalal (h2490) khaw-lal'; a prim. root [comp. 2470]; prop. to bore, i. e. (by impl.) to wound, to dissolve; fig. to profane (a person, place or thing), to break (one's word), to begin (as if by an "opening wedge"); denom. (from 2485) to play (the flute):... defile, * break, defile, * eat (as common things), * first, * gather the grape thereof, * take inheritance, pipe, player on instruments, pollute, (cast as) profane (self), prostitute...
With all respect for your firm conviction, I believe that this is what happens when people reject the Words of Christ and turn to their own efforts to "revive through external means -- the sin of Nimrod": You with loud, instrumental rejoicing and us with loud singing "of idle songs" and, like David, inventing a vocal pipe organ with the form of singing called "organum " or in the manner. Paul might identify both with the Greek word for madness or insanity.
When David tried to run to the enemy to escape Saul:
Then said Achish unto his servants, Lo, ye see the man is mad: wherefore then have ye brought him to me? 1 Samuel .21:14
This was usually the method of the mercenary person who "saw godliness as a means of financial gain." If I understand Ephesians 4 and 5 when we see the loud, angry, buffoon we should understand that it is a sign that God is pouring out His wrath. This is why Paul defined a radicalAnd I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and
the battle bow shall be cut off:
and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea,
and from the river even to the ends of the earth. Zechariah 9:10
Out of him came forth the corner,
out of him the nail,
out of him the battle bow,
out of him every oppressor together. Zechariah 10:4
In another example:The Lord hath made thee priest in the stead of Jehoiada the priest, that ye should be officers in the house of the Lord,
for every man that is mad, and maketh himself a prophet,
that thou shouldest put him in prison, and in the stocks. Jeremiah 29:26
Shaga (h7696) shaw-gah'; a prim. root; to rave through insanity: - (be, play the) mad (man).
The false prophets prophesied or made themselves into prophets with the use of musical instruments, singing, dancing and other things which drove them mad. This was then sold to the audience as the work of God.
David and the commanders of the army made the military musicians to serve the temple which was the capital of the civil state. In another like the nations organization we note this Babylonian form of oppression:
For the king of Babylon stood at the parting of the way, at the head of the two ways, to use divination: he made his arrows bright, he consulted with images, he looked in the liver. Ezekiel 21:21
Through Zechariah, God said that when Messiah came those who tried to make themselves into a prophet and got wounded and wounded others like a prophet would be killed by their own parents. And speaking of the Jews of his day, Hosea too saw the urge for prophecy as a sign of lostness:
The days of visitation are come, the days of recompence are come; Israel shall know it: the prophet is a fool (perverse), the spiritual man is mad, for the multitude of thine iniquity, and the great hatred. Hosea 9:7
The word "shouting"
When it goeth well with the righteous, the city rejoiceth: and
when the wicked perish, there is shouting. Proverbs 11:10
Rinnah (h7440) rin-naw'; from 7442; prop. a creaking (or shrill sound), i. e. shout (of joy or grief): - cry, gladness, joy, proclamation, rejoicing, shouting, sing (-ing), triumph.
And let that man be as the cities which the Lord overthrew, and repented not:
and let him hear the cry in the morning, and the shouting at noontide; Jeremiah 20:16
But I will kindle a fire in the wall of Rabbah (Egypt), and it shall devour the palaces thereof,
with shouting in the day of battle,
with a tempest in the day of the whirlwind: Amos 1:14
But I will send a fire upon Moab,
and it shall devour the palaces of Kirioth:
and Moab shall die with tumult, with shouting,
and with the sound of the trumpet: Amos 2:2
Thus all Israel brought up the ark of the covenant of the Lord with shouting,
and with sound of the cornet,
and with trumpets, and with cymbals,
making a noise with psalteries and harps. 1 Chr 15:28
And it came to pass, as the ark of the covenant of the Lord came to the city of David,
that Michal, the daughter of Saul looking out at a window saw king David dancing and playing: (see the picture above)
and she despised him in her heart. 1 Chronicles 15:29
The Word Translated "Shout"
And he said, It is not the voice of them that shout for mastery,
neither is it the voice of them that cry for being overcome;
but the noise of them that sing do I hear. Exodus 32:18
As a result, the shouting of rejoicing was outlawed (Numbers 10:7) when the congregation came together:
Ruwah (h8643) ter-oo-aw'; from 7321; clamor, i. e. acclamation of joy or a battle-cry; espec. c
langor of trumpets, as an alarum: - alarm, blow (-ing) (of, the) (trumpets),
joy, jubile, loud noise, rejoicing, shout (-ing), (high, joyful) sound (-ing).
The trumpet was like a 'church bell' but was never for congregational assembly except when David tried moving the ark the first time and failed.
When ye blow an alarm the second time, then the camps that lie on the south side shall take their journey: they shall blow an alarm for their journeys. Numbers 10:6
But when the congregation is to be gathered together, ye shall blow, but ye shall not sound an alarm. Numbers 10:7
He saith among the trumpets, Ha, ha; and he smelleth the battle afar off, the thunder of the captains, and the shouting. Job 39:25
The problem with having noise was that you could not tell one noise from another:
So that the people could not discern the noise of the shout of joy from the noise of the weeping of the people: for the people shouted (h7321) with a loud shout, and the noise was heard afar off. Ezra 3:13
You see, God is not deaf; God does not need proping up with praise; God does not need to be fed, clothed, housed or entertained: the purpose of the congregational assembly was not for "worship" but for instruction. This is why Paul condemned the speaking in tongues in Corinth: teaching could never take place there.
And when Joshua heard the noise of the people as they shouted, he said unto Moses, There is a noise of war in the camp. Exodus 32:17
And David rose up early in the morning, and left the sheep with a keeper, and took, and went, as Jesse had commanded him; and he came to the trench, as the host was going forth to the fight, and shouted for the battle. 1 Samuel 17:20 (see the red trench below)
God outlawed shouting or "making a joyful noise" or playing the trumpet with uncertain sounds
The Prophecy of the Rejoicing in Christ's Triumphal Entry:
Shouting or blowing the trumpet had a legitimate use to panic the enemy with a great noise. This "panic" was relieved by Jesus as the burden which is "anxiety created by religious rituals." The shouting of the triumphal entry must be understood as the noise of God coming to abrogate His covenant or treaty with those Jews who had made religon into an oppresive profession and kept the Word of God away from the people:
And I will encamp about mine house because of the army, because of him that passeth by, and because of him that returneth: and no oppressor (animal drivers were the burden Jesus removed) shall pass through them any more: for now have I seen with mine eyes. Zechariah 9:8
Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass. Zechariah 9:9Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion ; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem behold, thy King cometh and
he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth. Zechariah 9:10
Rejoice is a different kind of skipping or spinning as the result of the extreme emotion of joy or cringing in fear. Like melody in the heart, this spinning dance was most often in the emotions:But I have trusted in thy mercy; my heart shall rejoice in thy salvation. Psalm 13:5
Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope. Psalm 16:9
The peace and quiet of Jesus is defined as "beside still waters." Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed (again) to break up housekeeping of a like-the-nations 'church" and send them packing into all the world
Because Paul said, and I paraphrase, "fools love to be fooled," when the oppressors are deleted the people who love false shepherds will not be happy:
Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me. Zechariah 11:8
- Then said I, I will not feed you: that that dieth,
- let it die;
- and that that is to be cut off,
- let it be cut off;
- and let the rest eat every one the flesh of another. Zechariah 11:9
(In A.D. 70 This became literal)
When the people shouted for salvation and told others about His miracles they were looking forward, but Jesus was on His way to denounce His covenant because they had, in fact, already rejected it as The Book of the Covenant before God gave the The Book of the Law as punishment:
And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people. Zechariah 11:10
And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited upon me knew that it was the word of the Lord. Zechariah 11:11
And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver. Zechariah 11:12
And the Lord said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the Lord. Zechariah 11:13
Fulfilled Prophecy: Shouting in the New Testament
Finally, I get to the passage you believe authorizes shouting as an act of worship. Because many of my fellowship simply have invented a much more dignified or clever (or cunning) way of accomplishing the same thing, if I am going to use the Bible against them -- because many hate the truth -- I just have to use it like a double-edged sword. Therefore, with the background we have developed -- and you are of the few who can still hear because Christ has not plugged your ears and blinded your eyes -- I respectfully submit that this does not describe congregational worship.
The KJV does not translate any word as shout, shouted or shouting. When Jesus sent His disciples to get and ass and a colt Jesus set the stage for the meaning of His triumphal entry by saying:All this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying Matthew 21:4
Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass. Matthew 21:5
As the victory march on Jerusalem began:
And a very great multitude spread their garments in the way; others cut down branches from the trees, and strawed them in the way. Matthew 21:8
And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest. Matthew 21:9
Hosanna is not the praise of people who already have salvation and are confident of it. Hosanna is from the Hebrew words:
Yasha (h3467) yaw-shah'; a prim. root; prop. to be open, wide or free, i. e. (by impl.) to be safe; causat. to free or succor: - * at all, avenging, defend, deliver (-er), help, preserve, rescue, be safe, bring (having) salvation, save (-iour), get victory.
Na (h4994) naw; a prim. particle of incitement and entreaty, which may usually be rendered I pray,
Hosanna has been distorted to a word of 'praise' but it really was a desperate cry of help like 'Abba Father' -- Help! Father, Help!
As Christians we do not look forward to Christ's new Kingdom nor do we lack confidence and have to cry out for God to Save us. >
The crying out for help is:
Krazo (h2896) krad'-zo; a prim. verb; prop. to "croak" (as a raven) or scream, i.e. (gen.) to call aloud (shriek, exclaim, intreat): - cry (out).
And when he was come into Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, Who is this? Matthew 21:10
Moved is: Seio (g4579) si'-o; appar. a prim. verb; to rock (vibrate, prop. sideways or to and fro), i.e. (gen.) to agitate (in any direction; cause to tremble); fig. to throw into o???
Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. Hebrews 12:26
And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; Matthew 27:51
And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, Matthew 21:12
And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen; Luke 19:37
Praise is: Ainos (g136) ah'ee-nos; appar. a prim. word; prop. a story, but used in the sense of 1868; praise (of God): - praise.
Phone (g5456) fo-nay'; prob. akin to 5316 through the idea of disclosure; a tone (articulate, bestial or artificial); by impl.an address (for any purpose, saying or language: - noise, sound, voice.
Jesus didn't refuse to silence them because they were involved with organized worship:And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples. Luke 19:39
And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out. Luke 19:40
This was crying out a message and not just shouting certain phrases.And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it, Luke 19:41
Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace but now they are hid from thine eyes. Luke 19:42
As prophesied, this whole event was to pass Judgment upon the Jews who knew the Word but refused to act upon it:For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, Luke 19:43
And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation. Luke 19:44
When Jesus "cried out" it was just teaching:
And he went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold therein, and them that bought; Luke 19:45
Ekballo (g1544) ek-bal'-lo; from 1537 and 906; to eject (lit. or fig.): - bring forth, cast (forth, out), drive (out), expel, leave, pluck (pull, take, thrust) out, put forth (out), send away (forth, out).
Ballo (g906) bal'-lo; a prim. verb; to throw (in various applications, more or less violent or intense): - arise, cast (out), * dung, lay, lie, pour, put (up), send, strike, throw (down), thrust. Comp. 4496.
Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves. Luke 19:46
The house was not the Holy Place or Most Holy Place but the court yards. Jesus could not enter the holy precincts.
And he taught daily in the temple, But the chief priests and the scribes and the chief of the people sought to destroy him, Luke 19:47
The crying out, again, was telling people what they had seen and this, in turn, was a sign of judgment against those who had rejected His word.
This was always elevating the voice to praise God by telling the people His words.
However, the prophecy was that Jesus would not get involved in literal shouting or crying out with a sense of lostness:
BEHOLD my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. Isaiah 42:1
He will not shout or cry out, or raise his voice in the streets. Isaiah 42:2
This is from the Hebrew:
Caaq (h6817) tsaw-ak'; a prim. root; to shriek; (by impl.) to proclaim (an assembly): - * at all, call together, cry (out), gather (selves) (together).
You see, Jesus never called an assembly or raised His voice in the sense of "worship." In fact, He said that worship was in spirit (in the mind) and devoted to truth. He patterned teaching by reading the passage and then sitting down. He commanded that prayer be in the "closet" or in the spirit. Paul, on the other hand described assemblies which were design for edification (education) and the Lord's Supper but had been turned into a pagan form of charismatic worship. Therefore, their assemblies "did more harm than good" and are not our pattern.
Instead of shouting and crying out in a collective assembly, Jesus would cry and demand that the evangelist go out and cry out the truth or Spirit of God. We noted that Jesus was on His way to abrogate the old Covenant. The New Covenant would be Christ Himself as the Light:
I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; Isaiah 42:6
To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. Isaiah 42:7
This was not a little "person" resting upon Jesus. Rather, the sign would be a dove or "rock pigeon" which was symbolic of a message carrier. Little pigeons are pretty somber but they are quiet messengers. This "Spirit" which would be revealed was the knowledge of God rejected by the Jews and lost to them as a cut-off branch. The old covenant was with the house of David and was designed to protect a lawless people. Therefore, David has been cut off at the ground and a new stem or branch would grow from Jesse to bypass the literal David and become a spiritual David to build His house:
AND there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: Isaiah 11:1
And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord; Isaiah 11:2 (and quick-understanding)
This is the seven-fold spirit or candle-stick to bring light in the form of knowledge. Anything which interferes with that single-minded purpose of Christ -- our shouting or our "singing as an act of worship" -- may be the supernatural sign that we don't care much for the Word "as it has been delivered to you.'
The Meaning of Crying Out
The idea of crying is not shouting in the KJV. Rather, one cries out to speak to a large audience. This was not "singing" in our sense to frazzle the nerves and teaching the Words of Christ: it was cantillation and the purpose was to praise Christ by teaching about Christ. Chanting never used a tune because the Classical writers understood that the tune hid the message and that instruments were symbolic of human work.
And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ. Luke 4:41
Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not. John 7:28In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and crie, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. John 7:37
Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. John 12:44
The Spirit of Christ (the Holy Spirit, 1 Cor. 2) gives ample warning that two people cannot "cry out" and "speak" at the same time and have the people comprehend the message:
And certain of the chief of Asia, which were his friends, sent unto him, desiring him that he would not adventure himself into the theatre. Acts 19:31 (A place for public shows)Some therefore cried one thing, and some another: forAnd they drew Alexander out of the multitude, the Jews putting him forward.
the assembly (ekklesia) was confused;
and the more part knew not wherefore they were come together. Acts 19:32
And Alexander beckoned with the hand (to hold their peace),
and would have made his defence unto the people. Acts 19:33
But when they knew that he was a Jew,
all with one voice about the space of two hours cried out,
Great is Diana of the Ephesians. Acts 19:34
Isn't this exactly what Paul said about the Corinthians who sang, spoke in tongues and -- I think played instruments or were tempted -- and could not understand. The Corinthians also repudiated Paul and refused to listen tho him.
When people we crying, "Lord, Lord" it may be that the Lord does not know who we are and therefore will not listen to us. When the pagans cried out they often just repeated a word (Ab, Ab as a stuttering, scattering of words) or a single sentence. A lot of our human-scripture we call "songs" do this because the writer is a poet (right-brained) and not usually rational and often does not know or care what Jesus said.
The Babylon religion will be the end-time religion as a "whore" or marriage of religion, commerce and music (any form).And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at
The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing, Revelation 18:15
And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls Revelation 18:16
This was identical to the "prototyped" in the literal Babylon whose king was the agent of Lucifer. His harps would go into sheol with him and rot on a bet of maggots where the "worms dieth not." This was like Topheth which had once been "the king's music grove." It was repeated by the king of Tyre whose breastplate of precious stones included musical instruments such as the tabret related to Topheth or hell itself. It was repeated in Jerusalem when the people lost their temple and animal sacrifices which was the only legitimate place for musical noise. The harps of the Levites ceased until about A.D. 1815 when liberals made the Mind or Spirit of Christ into a person and began replacing the Biblical text with songs derived from "Hillbilly, black laments and a touch of Voodoo."
The noisy, commercial religion often survives on the payroll only because it can alter the minds of the biblically illiterate. However, the end-time worship will cease again; not just in Rome but in many churches which will go to any extreme to silence the Words of Christ and still crucify those who attempt to speak them:
Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her. Revelation 18:20
And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. Revelation 18:21
And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; Revelation 18:22 (Grinding in the Old Testament was synonymous with "prostitute" or whore)
And the light of a candle (the Word)shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom (Christ) and of the bride (church) shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. Revelation 18:23
Now, tell me what is wrong with believing that no education (edification) can take place when everyone is singing, shouting, dancing, playing instruments -- or among us "singing idle songs and improvising" while ignoring the Words of Christ demanded by Paul in Ephesians 5 and Colossians 3.
Even when we disagree, we are adult enough to present our views "One grape at a time." This "story" does not have a "plot" but collects some of the Scripture which I think sheds light.
I am a little like Paul: I am not sent to convert but to teach. However, the only seed I intend to plant will come out of the Bible and, I hope, not cut into tidbits to compose my own scripture. I ask you in all sincerity:
Now why dost thou cry out aloud? is there no king in thee? is thy counselor perished? for pangs have taken thee as a woman in travail. Micah 4:9
In many of the ancient documents from Babylon and other nations, the gods were believed to be inside of musical instruments which were made into the form of a bull (harp). The sounds of the strings was sold to be the voice of the god inside of the idols which even had "speaking tubes" so the manipulator could "discover" the needs of the worshipper and have the idol speak the answer to them (This was before radio).My heart is steadfast, O God, my heart is steadfast; I will sing and make music. Psalm 57:7
Awake, my soul! Awake, harp and lyre! I will awaken the dawn. Psalm 57:8
However, Habakkuk pronounced:Woe unto him that saith to the wood, Awake; to the dumb stone, Arise, it shall teach
Behold, it is laid over with gold and silver, and there is no breath at all in the midst of it. Habakkuk 2:19
But the Lord is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him. Habakkuk 2:20
If one is moved to sing sentimental poetry confused with the Word, dance, play instruments or shout there are lots of places to do it. However, if any ritual designed to aggitate and create "exhilaration" which is like panic as "an act of worship"; which others insist they must overlay on top of my "worship in spirit" or worship in the mind or heart, that artificial ritual may be an end-time sign of having lost the Shepherd Who counsels by quiet waters and has not turned His job over to agents.
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