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"Train Prophetic roles, Channelers and Facilitators the method of subverting the 'hierarchial" views of Jesus and Paul. the end-time subversion is the beginninng-time version which is "Feminist hermeneutics stands over against patriarchal hermeneutics" its goal achieved "by small, often unnoticed acts of SUBVERSION. Numerous such incremental changes, like EROSION, will eventually bring down the FORTRESS " ( WOMEN IN THE CHURCH: Reclaiming the Ideal p. 32).

Carrol D. Osburn of Abilene Christian University (ACU) trains advanced degrees to move into otherwise Biblical churches and help MAKE THE CHANGES.

John O. York currently serves as Associate Professor of Bible and Preaching at Lipscomb University in Nashville, Tennessee. He also shares preaching responsibilities at the Woodmont Hills church of Christ in Nashville. John York defended by Lipscomb preaches with Rubel Shelly and they say:

THE NEW JESUS PROPOSAL: Rubel Shelly has NEW GLASSES (Like Peep Stone Joseph Smith of Mormonism) and has a NEW VISION FOR CHURCHES OF CHRIST. These GLASSES looked all of the way back to the beginning time BABYLON WHORE worship and all of the way to the END-TIME Babylon whore who will control most rhetoricians, sOPHISts (serpents), singers, musicians and craftsmen or FACILITATORS of the Change atents. In the Greek world they were known as SORCERERS and therefore all INSTRUMENTALISTS were PARASITES.

In the Old World, Newton said that F = ma was the law. Now, the new age philosophers are NOT sub-atomic particles and they should not get hung up in postmodern LEGALISM. If Rubel Shelly wants to blast off from earth, sling shot around the earth a time or two, project himself out in space JUST IN TIME for Mars to come along. And he ejects gasses and lands on Mars he will never need more than NEWTON'S idea of an apple. Therefore, it is just rank comedy for Rubel Shelly and John York to claim that YOU couldn't PROJECT your vision on a parchment which Jesus handled without your BLASTING AWAY any meaning. Preachers often are card carrying members of the FLAT EARTH SOCIETY.

Flashback: In abut 1927 Heisenberg discovered that if you shine a light or even an electron on another electron, you move it out of the way or even make it look like a WAVE which no one can really explain. Much later philosophers decided that that you cannot SHINE your eys (once a scientific superstition) on the Bible without your causing it to MEAN something different.

They even say that THEY must be paid to reveal what Jesus said for OUR times. The proof that they are INSPIRED is confirmed by THEIR ACTIONS.

Some believe that they are "selected and trained by the sovereign grace of God to be evangelists (located) with charismatic power to make you change by tossing the Bible in the trash heap."

This writer spent a quarter in college trying to derive and understand the following equation and it takes about ten pages to DERIVE it without EVER understanding. However, Rubel Shelly and ALL postmodern people who believe that TRUTH just evaporated, base their total heresy with which they DELIBERATELY SOW DISCORD because THEY now know that this equation which applies to ELECTRONS and other sub-atomic particles NOW applies to the Bible. You pay them an UNLAWFUL wage because THEY think that they understand quantum physics:

The Purpose driven cult, Promise Keepers, Max Lucado and his AGENTS who must have his MARK before they can BUY AND SELL junk books of the SCRIBES or hypocrites who REPUDIATE the Bible and now preach JUST-JESUS which means ANTI-CHRIST. Dismissing with the back of his hand the book of John as the product of HIS OWN PERSONAL AGENDA, Rubel Shelly and band believe that they are PROPHETS and APOSTLES and now DISCLOSE truth from their own heads and VALIDATE it by their OWN LIVES:

Rubel Shelly and John York: How do I make sense of Jesus going back and forth, back and forth between Galilee and Jerusalem in John's account

when he never goes to Jerusalem in Matthew, Mark, and Luke until the very end of his ministry?

John, prompted by the presbyters at Ephesus, they say, had poor memories but composed the gospel of John for his own personal agenda. To prove it, Rubel Shelly MISQUOTES ancient scholars. Now, they say, John didn't want you to depend on his faulty witnes but you must look at ME as your authority.

But that's not the witness, the testimony John wants me to confirm.

What I am called to affirm with the

witness of my own life is that authenticating Spirit-presence

that reveals itself when I keep heaven's commandments here on earth, live the from-above life in my down-below setting.

Is this something like Standing in the Holy Place claiming to be God?

Max Lucado (Index) and (Creed) along with Lynn Anderson are following the PROMISE KEEPER'S or Crossroad's SHEPHERDING MOVEMENT. They will even hire family life STAFF to make sure you are not SEXUALLY disfunctional.

The STAFF drives the church, the elders shepherd the STAFF and the STAFF hires an expert in SHEPHERDING or DISCIPLING to make sure that you are SEXUALLY PURE. If you teach in favor of baptism or against instrumental instruments you will be DISCIPLINED and they will help you find ANOTHER congregation.

We have felt it happen. This will not prevent them from SLICKING your money lick pickpockets.

Rubel Shelly repudiating baptism

TODAY'S SERMON TODAY: Be on Guard: Just Jesus and Nothing More: not even baptism

The SIEVE or SIFTER parable 9/09/03 Do we NOW help the Holy Spirit reveal new TRUTH as they did in the first century??

Number four: Shelly at ACU: Wine Drinking focus and DIRTY PICTURES of the New Style Worship. Instrument players were always perverted and known as PARASITES.

As in Paul's Day, Grace is seen as authority to reject the Old Paths.
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Promise Keepers and the National Shepherding Network
Experiencing God Personally?, Blackaby/King, Promise Keepers 1996
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Did Jesus and Job Really Call the Creation Account a Parable?
Holy Spirit - John 14:16 - Another Comforter
Shouldn't all speak in Tongues Because of the 120 Disciples? Updated 4/29/99
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Speaking in Tongues A Warning - Isa 28: - Isaiah 28: - 1 Corinthians 14
Dance Worship Teams - Speaking in Tongues - Modern Shamans?
Keep Getting Questions On Calvinism - Some Fragments 7/12/99
Charismatic Worship and Preaching
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Instrumental Music as Worship Tools
Musical Worship Index of History
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How Psallo Was Used of Jesus Singing to the Gentiles
Do a Word Search on Music and Worship and see if you don't change your mind.
Are Psalm 149 - Psalm 150 Authority for Musical Worship
Aren't Your Views About Music False Truth From Satan?-
Doesn't David and the Musical Levites Authorize Musical Worship Teams? New:
Need a SHORT Proof That David Didn't Authorize My Music 7/9/99
David, A Man After God's Own Heart Approves Music?
Don't you know about harps in Heaven?
Worship Leaders Claim that Jesus was a Dancing God. Is that true?
Religious Brainwashing - Change Agents - Musical Worship Teams
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Why Music Is Dangerous to Your Health and Fits the Pattern of the Wineskin Attack
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The Musical - Charismatic Connections with the Second Great Awakening
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Tithing - Robbing the Poor - By Stephen Davis -
Prayer and Fasting - Public or Private Updated 4/23/99
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Kenneth Sublett


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