John Mark Hicks Keith Stanglin Letter and Spirit

The Letter And The Spirit-2 Corinthians 3

Keith Stanglin Theology speaks "Apollyon". I am quickly proving from Scripture and the Quoted Scholars that "Doctors of the Law take away the Key to Knowledge."  Now, we have must once-Christian universities totally against anything historic churches have believed and taught about SCRIPTURE.  Almost by definition, anyone beyond Teaching that which Has been taught PRESUMES the authority to be the CO-INSPIRERS and superceding God's Spirit which means that He puts His Words into the MOUTH of men--past tense.

THESIS Keith Stanglin: p.7  Against PREmodern and allegorical exegetical methods is not as widespread or as strong as it once was. 

At the right time (KAIROS) men arose who claim that A spirit informs them that they should BUILD upon the FOUNDATION of historic Theologians.  Apollyon is unleashed as head of the Locusts or Muses as his musical worship team.  Revelation 18 calls them SORCERERS as All of the Abomination, Witchcraft, Sorcery and inducing a KOMA uses, like Jubal, noise making INSTRUMENTS "to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter."
Matt. 13:8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit,
        some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
Matt. 13:9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Matt. 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him,
        Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Matt. 13:11 He answered and said unto them,
        Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven
        but to them it is not given.
Matt. 13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given,
        and he shall have more abundance:
        but whosoever hath not, from him
        shall be taken away even that he hath.
Matt. 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables:
        because they seeing see not;
        and hearing they hear not,
        neither do they understand.
Matt. 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith,
        By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand;
        and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Matt. 13:15 For this people’s heart is waxed gross,
        and their ears are dull of hearing,
        and their eyes they have closed;
        lest at any time they should see with their eyes,
        and hear with their ears,
        and should understand with their heart,
        and should be converted,     [parallel to being baptized}
        and I should heal them.      
            [BAPTISM SAVES: The only way to REQUEST A spirit made perfect]
            [gifted with A holy spirit or A good conscience, Consciousness
            or a CO-perception of the WORD]

Matt. 13:16 But blessed are your eyes,
        for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
Matt. 13:17 For verily I say unto you,
        That many prophets and righteous men
        have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them;
        and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
Matt. 13:23 But he that received seed into the GOOD GROUND 
        Is he that HEARETH the WORD,   [Regulative Principle for the GOOD SEED]
        and UNDERSTANDETH it; which also BEARETH fruit,
        and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
The seal which Alexander Campbell noted must be VISIBLE and DANGEROUS said Jesus
Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his WORD were baptized:
        and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

You can be a Theologian (pointing to Apollyon) and SELL your learning as Corrupting the WORD, but that proves that you are not a Christian who is a DISCIPLE which means a STUDENT.  A Student, male OR female LEARNS in silence. 
1Pet. 1:10 Of which salvation the PROPHETS [Not kings, priests, levites]
        have enquired and searched diligently,
        who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
1Pet. 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the SPIRIT OF Christ
        [Not the MAN Jesus:
        SPIRIT means God put His WORDS into the MOUTH of the PROPHETS]

        which was in them did signify, when IT TESTIFIETH beforehand
        the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

Spirit is the "breath" of God.  SPIRIT produces WORDS which convey God's MENTAL DISPOSITION. Spirit is NOT a Proper Noun but an Adjective.


1Pet. 1:12 Unto whom it was REVEALED, that not unto themselves,
        but unto us they did minister the things,
        which are now REPORTED unto YOU by them
        that have PREACHED the gospel unto you
        with the Holy SPIRIT sent down from heaven;
        which things the angels desire to look into

The Testimony of Jesus defined Holy Scripture as the Prophets and other prophecies CONCERNING ME.
Rev. 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not:
        I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren
        that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God:
        for the TESTIMONY  of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

When the elders demanded that God give them a SENIOR PASTOR to rule over them, God turned them over to worship the starry host.  That included Apollo  or Apollyon brought from Egypt.  There is nothing in the not-commanded records of the not commanded king which had any spiritual value.

Is. 8:20 To the law and to the TESTIMONY:
        if they speak not according to this word,
        it is because there is no light in them.
John 3:32 And what he
        hath seen
        and heard,
        that he TESTIFIETH; and NO MAN receiveth his TESTIMONY.
John 3:33 He that hath received his
TESTIMONY hath set to his seal that God is true.

IF JESUS HASN'T  DELIVERED GOD'S WORD, FLEE FROM ANYONE WHO CLAIMS THE ROLE OF JESUS OR GOD.

Gal. 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven,
        preach any other gospel unto you
        than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal. 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again,
        If any man preach any other gospel unto you
        than that ye HAVE RECEIVED received, let him be ACCURSED.

g331.  anathema, an-ath´-em-ah; from 394; a (religious) ban or (concretely) excommunicated (thing or person): — accused, anathema, curse, x great.

ANATHEMA is any person or thing which has been "dedicated" thinking that he is GLORIFYING God's finished Work. When expose OBSERVATION claiming to be the invisible KINGDOM, he cannot be redeemed and MUST BE BURNED.
The Promise of the Holy Spirit means that God gave the GLORIFIED Jesus as the ONLY Teacher of His BODY, the Evangelistic ROLE of the STATE (never a person) of "Holy Spirit." After Jesus was translated into the Spirit  realm, He made Holy Spirit available in written form as the only way to guard against Theologians/
John 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of MAN ascend up where he was before?
John 6:63 It is the
SPIRIT that quickeneth;
        the flesh [Theologians] profiteth nothing:
        the WORDS that I SPEAK unto you, they are
SPIRIT, and they are LIFE.
There is only DEATH dished out by those who refuse to "Teach that which has been taught." Jesus said that BLASPHEMERS say that He even "made" himself God.
John 5:26 For as the Father hath LIFE IN HIMSELF
        so hath he GIVEN to the Son to have life in himself;
John 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also,
        BECAUSE he is the SON OF MAN

THE MARK OF A STRAIGHT ASSEMBLY IS LOGOS.  The operative words are READ or SPEAK without any attempt to ENHANCE the "Gospel OF the Kingdom" or Church as a School of the Word Only with no STAFF called historically PARASITES.
Gal. 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven,
        preach any other gospel unto you than
        that which we have preached unto you,
        let him be accursed.

331. anathema, an-ath´-em-ah; from 394; a (religious) ban or (concretely) excommunicated (thing or person): — accused, anathema, curse, x great.

1 Cor 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

-Anathêma , /, (anatithēmi) A. that which is set up: hence, like agalma, votive offering set up in a temple, Hdt.1.14,92, S.Ant.286, “a. ek leitourgiōnLys.26.4.  agalma, delight, ornament,molpē t' orkhēstusanathēmata daitosOd.1.152, cf. 21.430, tois tekousin anathēma biotou, of children,

Leitourg-ia  III. public service of the gods, “hai pros tous theous l.Arist.Pol.1330a13; “hai tōn theōn therapeiai kai l.D.S.1.21, cf. UPZ17.17 (ii B.C.), PTeb.302.30 (i A.D.), etc.; the service or ministry of priests, LXX Nu.8.25, Ev.Luc.1.23.

Lys. 26 4  But I find no difficulty in countering those statements. As regards the public services, I say that his father would have done better not to perform them than to spend so much of his substance: for it was on account of this that he won the confidence of the people and overthrew the democracy; and so our memory of these deeds must be more abiding than of the offerings he has set up1 in record of those services.
        1 In the temples at Athens, Delphi, etc.

-Agalma , atos, to/, acc. to Hsch. pan eph' tis agalletai,
A. glory, delight, honour, Il.4.144, etc.; kephalaisin andrōn agalmata (sc. lophoi) Alc.15; khōras a., of an ode, Pi.N.3.13, cf. 8.16;
2. pleasing gift, esp. for the gods,a. theōnOd.8.509, of a bull adorned for sacrifice, ib.3.438; of a tripod, Hdt.5.60, al.; generally, = anathēma, Kharēs eimi . . a. tou Apollōnos”  Hekatēs a . . . kuōn, because sacred to her, a. Aida, of a tombstone, Pi.N.10.67.
-Molp-ē , h(, (melpō)
A. dance or rhythmic movement with song, Od. 6.101, Il.18.606.
2. more freq. song, 1.472; “molpēs te glukerēs kai amumonos orkhēthmoio13.637; “molpē t' orkhēstus teOd.1.152, cf. Hes.Th.69, in lyr., “molpa klagga” ,
They sat down to eat and rose up to PLAY: musical idolatry beyond redemption.
-Hom. Od. 1.125 Heralds poured water over their hands, and maid-servants heaped by them bread in baskets, and youths filled the bowls brim full of drink; and they put forth their hands to the good cheer lying ready before them. [150] Now after the wooers had put from them the desire of food and drink, their hearts turned to other things, to song and to dance; for these things are the crown of a feast. And a herald put the beautiful lyre in the hands of Phemius, who sang perforce among the wooers; [155] and he struck the chords in prelude2 to his sweet lay.         ...These men care for things like these, the lyre and song,
        [160] full easily, seeing that without atonement they devour the livelihood of another,
        of a man whose white bones, it may be, rot in the rain as they lie upon the mainland, or the wave rolls them in the sea. 

-Hom. Od. 21.401
A Levite musician who entered into a holy place would be sacrificed: modern musicians claim that they are dedicated to the Lord. There are several Biblical examples which prove that they will be cast alive into the lake of fire.
3. of a slave in a temple, a. poleōs devoted to this service by the city, E.Ion310.—Cf. anathema.

Any object so sacrificed or devoted to the Lord could not be redeemed (Num. 18:14; Lev. 27:28, 29); and hence the idea of exterminating was connected with the word. The Hebrew verb (haram) is frequently used of the extermination of idolatrous nations. It had a wide range of application. The anathema or herem was a person or thing irrevocably devoted to God (Lev. 27:21, 28); and "none devoted shall be ransomed. He shall surely be put to death" (27:29). The Hebrew word therefore carried the idea of devoted to destruction (Num. 21:2, 3; Josh. 6:17); and hence a majority of scholars have treated the word anathema similarly, generally as meaning a thing accursed. For example, in Deut. 7:26 an idol is called a herem = anathema, understood to mean a thing accursed

The priesthood of the Babylon Mother of Harlots are "lusted after fruits" (same as Amos 8).  Speakers, singers or Instrument Players are called LOCUSTS or SORCERERS.  They are MARKING themselves to be CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.

The rise of THEOLOGY to replace SCRIPTURE SAYS that WE are UNIQUE in repudiating Churches of Christ whose widows and honest workers FEED OUR FACE.  The PATTERN was defined inclusively and exclusively for the assembly of the Spiritual Sector.   Jesus defined Holy Scripture as the Prophets and other prophecies "concerning ME."  Moses recorded the "creation" of the Hebrew People after the exiles rose up at Mount Sinai to PLAY.  That was Instrumental- Trinitarian-perverted "worship with the works of OUR hands." 

Genesis 49 Levi Cursed Wait for Shiloh
Judah will rule unto "another prophet like Moses" comes.  Shiloh like Sabbath never meant a day of worship by clergy but REST from anything the clergy wants to impose upon you.

God turned the sinners over to worship the starry host and defined the One-Piece Pattern for the only assembly with the only PATTERN. The astrology-based Sabbath and the Tithe were from Babylon.  The godly people came to attend the church of Christ (the Rock not Jesus) for INSTRUCTION ONLY.  The Jews never Worshiped by singing Psalms such as  137 used by Keith Stanglin without understanding the message of the WILLOW TRE.

The Synagogue during First and seventh or eighth days of Festivals (Military Musters) and later each Seventh day of the Astrology-based evil days. The seventh day journey quarantined them from the pagan Sun-God (Apollyon) worship of the Starry host (Acts 7)

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Keith Stanglin bad mouths the ROCK identifying God or Whatever or Whomever He ordained as CHRIST (not Jesus yet) which supplies the Free Water of the WORD or Regulative Principle..

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time
        hath in every city
        them that PREACH him,
        being READ in the synagogues every sabbath day.


The Church as EKKLESIA is defined by the Civil Ekklesia of which Phoebe was an officer. The Ekklesia or Synagogue met roughly ONCE EACH WEAK.  They Read, Discussed and put into practice Laws handed down by a higher authority.

You need to grasp the CONTEMPT the end-time Super-Apostles (Paul's Word) who want to SELL your something where God will not PERMIT anyone to SELL free water of the WORD or regulative principle.  That is why they are Purpose Driven to make you hate your godly Ancestors.

The Holy Spirit which means that God put His WORDS into the MOUTH of the Prophets warns against the merchants
who


Isaiah 8  Peep Mutter Music Sorcery

Isa 8:19And when they shall say unto you,
        Seek unto them that have familiar spirits,
        and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter:
                should not a people seek unto their God?
                for the living to the dead?  

[19] et cum dixerint ad vos quaerite a pythonibus et a divinis qui stridunt in incantationibus suis numquid non populus a Deo suo requirit pro vivis a mortuis

To the law and to the testimony: [The Spirit IN Christ Rev 19:10]
        if they speak not according to this word,
        it is because there is no light in them. Isa 8:20


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THESIS Keith Stanglin: But the reason behind it still lingers.To chase another metahor, WE have MADE ROOM at the table for these others and acknowledge their input. 

Thanks a Lot but Jesus said of FOOD that "My WORDS are SPIRIT and LIFE."

Come unto me all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Matthew 11:28

Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart:and ye shall find rest unto your souls. Matthew 11:29

For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. Matthew 11:30

Labor is what we call "religion" and "worship."

Phortizo (g5412) for-tid'-zo; from 5414; to load up (prop. as aa vessel or animal), i.e. (fig.) to overburden with ceremony (or spiritual anxiety):- lade, be heavy laden.

Rest is:

Anapauo (g373) an-up-ow'-o; from 303 and 3973; (reflex.) to repose (lit. or fig. [be exempt], remain); by impl. to refresh:- take ease, refresh, (give, take) rest.

Anapausis (g372) an-ap'-ow-sis; from 373; intermission; by impl. recreation:- rest. When you hear people yelling for you to do this here religious program, it is not God. Believe me. I tell my folks that they are reloading me with the burden Jesus died to remove just by anouncing (and anouncing and anouncing) all of those "busy" programs. All good of course, but not added to our "to do list" by Jesus.

So, you have heard it straight from Jesus:"Go enjoy an ice cream cone, sleep late, go for a long walk in the forest or along the beach, and just relax."

Pauo means stop the polemos or battle, fight, war: stop levying war against another, anaireisthai or airô egeirein, kathistanai, epagein to begin a war; p. poieisthai to make war, -- opp. to p. anapauein, kataluesthai to put an end to it, make peace, all in attic

The singing which is to PAUSE to give rest is b. mostly of things, make an end of, stop, abate

Stop the:  Melōd-eō ,A. chant, sing, Ar.Av.226, 1381, Th.99:—Pass., to be chanted, “ta rhēthenta ē melōdēthentaPl.Lg.655d, cf. Chamael. ap. Ath. 14.620c; to be set to music, Cleanth. ap. Phld.Mus.p.98 K.; ta melōdoumena diastēmata used in music, Plu.2.1019a. II. chant, choral song, melôidias poiêtês, lullaby, generally, musispauō , Il.19.67, etc. ;

Stop the: lupas ōdais p. E.Med.197 (anap.), etc. ; p. toxon let the bow rest, Od.21.279
Stop the: 2. c. acc. pers. et gen. rei, hinder, keep back, or give one rest, from a thing, p. Hektora makhēs, ponoio Akhilēa, Thamurin aoidēs,

Pauo means: Stop worshipping the MUSES

Stop the: 3. c. pres. part., stop a person from  leave off doing . . , hoth' hupnos heloi, pausaito te nēpiakheuōn when he stopped playing
Stop the: later paēsomai ana-) Apoc.14.13
Stop the: of one singing or speaking, 17.359, Hdt.7.8.d : generally, Med. denotes willing, Pass. forced, cessation.
Stop the rhapsōd-os , o(, A. reciter of Epic poems, sts. applied to the bard who recited his own poem, professional reciters, esp. of the poems of Homer, Hdt.5.67, Pl.Ion 530c, etc.: also rh. kuōn, ironically, of the Sphinx who chanted her riddle, S.OT391
(Prob. from rhaptō, aoidē; Hes.Fr. 265 speaks of himself and Homer as en nearois humnois rhapsantes aoidēn, and Pi.N.2.2 calls Epic poets rhaptōn epeōn aoidoi:
Stop the orkheomai , 2. represent by dancing or pantomime,
III. Act. orkheō , make to dance (v. Pl.Cra.407a), is used by Ion Trag.50, ek tōn aelptōn mallon ōrkhēsen phrenas made my heart leap

kata-pauô put an end to, stop

3. depose from power, k. tina tês archês, tês basilêïês, Hdt.4.1, 6.64; tous turannous Id.5.38 , cf. 2.144, 7.105; Mousas depose them from their honours, cease to worship them, E. HF685 (lyr.):--Pass., tês basilêïês katepausthê Hdt. 1.130 , cf. 6.71.

Euripides, Heracles (ed. E. P. Coleridge)  Never will I cease to link in one the Graces and the Muses, [675] sweetest union. Never may I live among uneducated boors, but ever may I find a place among the crowned! [680] Yes, still the aged singer lifts up his voice of bygone memories: still is my song of the triumphs of Heracles, whether Bromius the giver of wine is near, or the strains of the seven-stringed lyre and the Libyan pipe are rising; [685] not yet will I cease to sing the Muses' praise, my patrons in the dance.

The remaining problem, though , is that we don't quite understand that input.  Once WE have given these OLDER SAINTS a place at the table, how are we to bridge the CULTURAL gaps.  Because of OUR cultural predilections and training, we are NOT fluently bilingual.  Interest alone has failed to provide a fair account and evaluation of these methods...

Acts 22:16 claims what Keith Stanglin repudiates.

And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee,
        that thou shouldest
know his will, a
        nd
see that Just One,
        and shouldest
hear the voice of his mouth. 22:14

For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard. Acts 22:15
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized,
        and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. Acts 22:16

WHY WOULD YOU PAY FOR SOMEONE TO REPUDIATE THE MEANING OF BEING A CHRISTIAN OR A DISCIPLE OF CHRIST.  INSTRUCTION COMES DOWN FROM ABOVE AND GOD SAID THAT "THE IMAGINATION OF MAN IS ONLY EVIL CONTINUALLY.

The PATTERN of men Like Campbell now DESPISED, was to Speak where the Bible Speaks and be Silent where the Bible is silent.  That's what Paul commanded to everyone Romans 15


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LETTER is The Law of Moses added because of Instrumental--Trinitarian-Perverted PLAY
LETTER is Flesh in contrast to OUR spirit as a new PLACE for Worship.
LETTER is the BLACK text written on BROWN paper 2 Corinthians 3
LETTER is is Hidden by God from the Wise or Sophists: Rhetoricians, Singers, Instrument Players

SPIRIT is never a PERSON. Spiritus is personified as Apollo or Apollyon:
SPIRIT in all languages are wind or air.  We all know that or Spirit, Mind or mental disposition is expressed by. BREATH.  When the breath is received by someone we hear WORDS.  Jesus said that WORDS which HE spoke was SPIRIT and LIFE.
SPI
RIT is the Gospel, The Word-Logos or Regulative Principle
SPIRIT is figurative or a Parable meaning: "God alone puts His WORD into the MOUTH of A Moses,
     the Prophets and  LASTLY the Mouth of the MAN Jesus of Nazareth. Therefore
SPIRIT and LIFE is the WORDS which Jesus SPAKE
SPIRIT
is the WORD Which PART Peter Left for our MEMORY


A FEW OF THE "FOOLISH" PEOPLE BEFORE KEIITH STANGLIN AND ALL THEOLOGIANS

1.a CLICK FIRST EXAMPLE OF MISTAKE? THE NUMBER CIRCUMCISED
1.b:  Click Defines the Meaning of Spirit versus FLESH
2. CLICK WHERE STANGLIN SAYS THAT PAUL MADE THE SAME MISTAKE SPEAKING OF THE ROCK

3. CLICK FOR NUMBER THREE Keith Stanglin Paul also was a Co-Inspirer:
4. Keith Stanglin Comparing Paul to Socrates who in Phaedrus takes liberties

Keith Stanglin
uses Barnabas' allegorizing the circumcising under Abraham and uses that as a example  to justify POSTMODERN preachers who do the same thing. Barnabas made his spiritual circumcisioon as the true meaning of the literal.  He must have read the Scriptures. Theologians are POST Scripture.  Stanglin Should read Barnabas and not peer theologians.

Keith Stanglin: p.7  This experience reflects Just the sort of thing that many readers of PREMODERN biblical interperting and therefore discouraging
        To be fair, however these same readers, if they also read the New Testament with care,
        must acknowledge that what Barnabas has done
        is not all that foreign to early Christian handling of the Old Testament


FIRST BARNABAS: A holy spirit
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Chapter V.-The NEW COVENANT Founded on the Sufferings of Christ, Tends to Our Salvation, But to the Jews' Destruction. For to this end the Lord endured to deliver up His flesh to corruption, that we might be sanctified through the remission of sins, which is effected by His blood of sprinkling.

For it is written concerning Him, partly with reference to Israel, and partly to us; and [the Scripture] saith thus: "He was wounded for our transgressions, and braised for our iniquities: with His stripes we are healed. He was brought as a sheep to the slaughter, and as a lamb which is dumb before its shearer." Therefore we ought to be deeply grateful to the Lord, because He has both made known to us things that are past, and hath given us wisdom concerning things present, and hath not left us without understanding in regard to things which are to come. Now, the Scripture saith, "Not unjustly are nets spread out for birds." This means that the man perishes justly, who, having a knowledge of the way of righteousness, rushes off into the way of darkness.

Since, therefore, having renewed us by the remission of our sins,
        He hath made us
after another pattern,
        [it is His purpose] that we should
possess the soul of children,
        inasmuch as He has
created us Anew by His Spirit.

For the Lord hath made known to us by the prophets both the things which are past and present, giving us also the first-fruits of the knowledge of things to come, which things as we see accomplished, one by one, we ought with the greater richness of faith and elevation of spirit to draw near to Him with reverence.  I then, not as your teacher, but as one of yourselves, will set forth a few things by which in present circumstances ye may be rendered the more joyful.

A Church of Christ is a SCHOOL of the WORD only.  The performers SPEAK or READ that which is written for our learning.  The Church is defined inclusively and exclusively by the Prophets.

Without obeying the PATTERN and COMMAND of Jesus they have not and need not A holy Spirit or A good conscience.  Without this new conscience or CONSCIOUSNESS it is impossible to be a CO-UNDERSTANDER.

Keith Stanglin is troubled over his lack of reading to DEBUNK Scripture

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For [the Scripture] saith, "And Abraham circumcised ten, and eight, and three hundred men of his household." 126 What, then, was the knowledge given to him in this? Learn the EIGHTEEN FIRST, and then THE THREE HUNDRED. 127 The ten and the eight are thus denoted-Ten by I, and Eight by H. 128 You have [the initials of the, name of] Jesus. And because 129 the cross was to express the grace [of our redemption] by the letter T, he says also, "Three Hundred." He signifies, therefore, Jesus by two letters, and the cross by one. He knows this, who has put within us the engrafted 130 gift of His doctrine. No one has been admitted by me to a more excellent piece of knowledge 131 than this, but I know that ye are worthy.
126 Not found in Scripture: but comp. Gen. xvii. 26, 27, xiv. 14.
130 This is rendered in the Latin, "the more profound gift," referring, as it does, to the Gnosis of the initiated. The same word is used in chap. i
MAYBE BARNABAS HAD A. DEGREE IN THEOLOGY WHICH DEMANDS PRIVATE INTERPRETATION OR FURTHER EXPOUNDING. PETER SAYS THAT THIS REPUDIATES THE HOLY SPIRIT
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Gen. 14:14 And when Abram heard that his brother was taken captive,
        he armed his trained servants, born in his own house,
        three hundred and eighteen, and pursued them unto Dan.
Gen. 14:15 And he divided himself against them, he and his servants, by night,
        and smote them, and pursued them unto Hobah, which is on the left hand of Damascus.


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Barnabas etal prove that nothing in the NOT-COMMANDED sacrificial system is a PATTERN for the School of Christ built upon or EDUCATED by the Prophets and Apostles.
"Barnabas: Chapter II.-The Jewish Sacrifices are Now Abolished.
         Since, therefore, the days are evil, and Satan possesses the power of this world,
        we ought to give heed to ourselves, and diligently inquire into the ordinances of the Lord.

Fear and patience, then, are helpers of our faith; and long-suffering and continence are things which fight on our side. While these remain pure in what respects the Lord, Wisdom, Understanding, Science, and Knowledge rejoice along with them. 14

Note 14:

AND there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: Isa 11:1

And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit OF wisdom and understanding, the spirit OF counsel and might, the spirit OF knowledge and of the fear of the Lord; Isa 11: 2

And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: Isa 11: 3

But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth:
        and he shall smite the earth
        with the rod of his mouth,
        and with the breath of his lips
        shall he slay the wicked. Isa 11: 4

"For He hath revealed to us by all the PROPHETS that He needs neither sacrifices, nor burnt-offerings, nor oblations, saying thus,

"What is the multitude of your sacrifices unto Me, saith the Lord? I am full of burnt-offerings, and desire not the fat of lambs, and the blood of bulls and goats, not when ye come to appear before Me:

for who hath required these things at your hands?
Tread no more My courts, not though ye bring with you fine flour. Incense is a vain abomination unto Me, and your new moonsand sabbaths I cannot endure." 15

Hear the word of the Lord, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah. Isaiah 1:10

To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. Isaiah 1:11

When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts? Isaiah 1:12

Bring no more vain oblations; incenseis an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting. Isaiah 1:13

Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them. Isaiah 1:14

He has therefore abolished these things, that the new law of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is without the yoke of necessity, might have a human oblation. 16

16 Thus in the Latin. The Greek reads, "might not have a man-made oblation." The Latin text seems preferable, implying that, instead of the outward sacrifices of the law,
        there is now required a dedication of man himself.
        Hilgenfeld follows the Greek.

"And again He says to them, "Did I command your fathers, when they went out from the land of Egypt, to offer unto Me burnt-offerings and sacrifices?

But this rather I commanded them, Let no one of you cherish any evil in his heart against his neighbour, and love not an oath of falsehood." 17

Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh. Jer 7:21

For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: Jer 7:22

But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you. Jer 7:23

But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward. Jer 7:24

Since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Egypt unto this day, I have even sent unto you all my servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending them: Jer 7:25

Yet they hearkened not unto me, nor inclined their ear, but hardened their neck: they did worse than their fathers. Jer 7:26

"We ought therefore, being possessed of understanding, to perceive the gracious intention of our Father; for He speaks to us, desirous that we, not 18 going astray like them, should ask how we may approach Him.

To us, then, He declares, "A sacrifice [pleasing] to God is a broken spirit;

a smell of sweet savour to the Lord is a heart that glorifieth Him that made it." 19 We ought therefore, brethren, carefully to inquire concerning our salvation, lest the wicked one, having made his entrance by deceit, should hurl 20 us forth from our [true] life.

ALL OF SCRIPTURE PROVES THAT CIRCUMCISION IS SPIRITUAL WITHOUT "CUTTING"
Lev. 26:40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers,
        with their trespass which they trespassed against me,
        and that also they have walked contrary unto me;
Lev. 26:41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them,
        and have brought them into the land of their enemies;
        if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled,
        and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:

Lev. 26:42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob,
        and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my
        covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.

Deut. 10:15 Only the Lord had a delight in thy fathers to love them,
        and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day.
Deut. 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
Deut. 10:17 For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords,
        a great God, a mighty, and a terrible,
        which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

Deut. 10:18 He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow,
        and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment

Deut. 30:6 And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Jer. 9:26 Egypt, and Judah, and Edom, and the children of Ammon, and Moab, and all that are in the utmost corners, that dwell in the wilderness:
         for all these nations are uncircumcised,
        and all the house of Israel are uncircumcised in the heart


Rom. 1:9 For God is my witness,
        whom I serve with MY SPIRIT in the gospel of his Son,
        that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;

Rom. 2:27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by NATURE,
        if it fulfil the law, judge thee,
        who by the LETTER and circumcision dost transgress the law?
Rom. 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom. 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly;
         and circumcision is
         that of the HEART,
         IN THE SPIRIT and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


Col. 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands,
        in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col. 2:12 Buried with him in baptism,
        wherein also ye are risen with him through
        the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

For instance, Ambrose made a count of men Abraham circumcised to make a point--like all who INTERPRET the work of God's Spirit.  Paul is debunking the Jews who trusted circumcision and demanded it of everyone.  However, Paul would inform us, that Abraham was a RIGHTEOUS man BEFORE he was physically circumcised.

Even without figurative language, Abraham was not righteous because he was circumcised but;

1.b Keith Stanglin: So Abraham conquered in virtue of faith,
        not through the strength of a numerous army
        Defines SPIRIT versus FLESH

FLESH to Stanglin is YOU reading the text of YOUR Bible.
SPIRIT to Stanglin is HIM being Hired to explain what God could not do.s


YOUR Bible, however, defines:
FLESH as the Law of Moses written on Stone with no spiritual power.
SPIRIT is the WORD of Jesus which provides Life (John 6:63). It is written on the heart of FLESH only to those were BAPTISM SAVES those who request A good conscience or A holy, REgenerated spirit not able to read BLACK text on BROWN paper.
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us,
        by the washing [baptism] of REgeneration,
        and REnewing OF the Holy SPIRIT;

Rom. 4:11 And he received the SIGN of circumcision,
        a SEAL of the righteousness of the FAITH
        which he had yet being uncircumcised:
        THAT he might be the father of all them that BELIEVE[not by the Law]
        though they be not circumcised;   [Gentiles]
        that righteousness might be imputed unto them also. 

Paul would understand that Holy Scripture is for SPEAKING or READING for the purpose of EDUCATION.  Therefore, being a BIBLE READER he understood that:

Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven,
        and will give unto thy seed all these countries;
        and in thy SEED [Jesus] shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

Gen. 26:5 BECAUSE that Abraham
        obeyed my voice,
        and kept my charge,
        my commandments,
        my statutes,
        and my laws.

Rom. 7:5 For when we were in the FLESH, the motions of sins,
        which were by THE
LAW
        did work in our MEMBERS to bring forth fruit unto death.
Rom. 7:6 But now we are delivered FROM THE LAW
        that being dead wherein we were held;
        that we should serve in newness of SPIRIT,
        and not in the oldness of the LETTER.


Rom. 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them
        which are in Christ Jesus,
        who WALK not after the flesh,
        but [who
WALK] after the Spirit
Rom. 8:2 For the LAW of the spirit
OF LIFE in Christ Jesus  [The Gospel]
        hath made me free from the LAW  OF sin and death.     [The Law of Moses]
Rom. 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the  FLESH,
        God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful  FLESH, ,
        and for sin, condemned sin in the  FLESH, :
Rom. 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in US
        who WALK not after the  FLESH,
        but [who walk] after the SPIRIT.
Rom. 8:5 For they that are after the FLESH,
         DO MIND the things OF the FLESH;
         but they that are after the SPIRIT
         [Do Mind] the THINGS OF the SPIRIT.
SPIRIT is not God but HIS SPIRIT g4151  pneuma, pnyoo´-mah; from 4154;
        a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze;
        by analogy or figuratively, a spirit, i.e. (human)
            the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle,
        mental disposition,

        etc., or (superhuman) an angel, demon, or (divine) God, 


John 6:62 What and if ye shall see the
        Son of man ascend up where he was before?
John 6:63 It is the
SPIRIT that quickeneth;
        the flesh profiteth nothing:
        the WORDS that I speak unto you,
        they are
SPIRIT, and they are life

THIS EXAMPLE PROVES THAT KEITH STANGLIN--IN THIS POSTMODERN WORLD--CAN BARELY TOLERATE OUR SPIRITUAL ANCESTORS.

A Christian is a Disciple is a STUDENT of what Jesus taught.  Jesus identified Holy Scripture as the PROPHETS land other PROPHECIES concerning me.  Paul would have known that the Covenant and Assembly of LEVI was OFF LIMITS.  Therefore, The Church in the wilderness followed a ONE-PIECE PATTERN for LEARNERS only.


THE ROCK.  Paul's folly

Keith Stanglin: p.7  This experience reflects Just the sort of thing that many readers of PREMODERN biblical interperting and therefore discouraging
        To be fair, however these same readers, if they also read the New Testament with care,
        must acknowledge that what Barnabas has done
        is not all that foreign to early Christian handling of the Old Testament


Nothing believed and taught BC or  Before College is based on anything but reading BLACK text on BROWN Paper. The problem is that any one presuming to have to INTERPRET God and His Spirit cannot be a Christian, Disciple who is a STUDENT: Students--even Women--will LEARN IN SILENCE.
2Th. 2:3  Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come,
        except there come a falling away first,
         and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th. 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God,
         or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God,
        shewing himself that he is God.

2Peter 3:3 Knowing this first,
        that there shall come in the last days scoffers,
        walking after their own lusts,

Empaig-ma , atos, toA. jest, mocking, delusion, LXX Is.66.4; magikês empaigmata technês

Paizō , prop., play like a child, sport, “ de th' hama Numphai . . agronomoi paizousi
4. play on a musical instrument , h.Ap.206: c. acc., “Pan ho kalamophthogga paizōnAr.Ra.230; dance and sing, Pi. O.1.16. 5. play amorously, “pros allēlousX.Smp.9.2; “meta tinosLXX Ge.26.8; of mares,

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man;
        he that sacrificeth a lamb,
        as if he cut off a dog’s neck;
        he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine’s blood;
        he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol.
        Yea, THEY have chosen their OWN ways,
        and their soul delighteth in THEIR abominations.
Dēlecto I. To allure from the right path, to entice away, to seduce (only ante-class.): me Apollon ipse delectat, ductat Delphicucarminibus,Hor. Od. 4, 1, 23; cf. “iambis (with gaudere carmine),
Mūsa , ae, f., = Mousa, [LOCUSTS] I. a muse, one of the goddesses of poetry, music, and the other liberal arts. H “me magus [Arts Cantus de Dionysio [God of the Jews] delectat,solis et lunae multo ante nobis praedicere,
We have done what readers of Scripture both old and and do.  Circumcision was BEFORE the Law and nothing to do with it. Christians become the Sons of Abraham by being Baptized.

It was no less an authority than the apostle Paul who said that the ROCK that accomplished was Christ (1 Cor 10:4),

Paul didn't say that the Rock was the MAN Jesus of Nazareth.  God is our ROCK and "Christ" means anything or anyone God ordains to demonstrate His Power. Jesus was not either Lord or Christ until 30 years after He came IN THE FLESH.

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1Cor. 10:1  Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant,
        how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Cor. 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Cor. 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Cor. 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink:
        for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them:
        and that Rock was Christ.  [Not Jesus]
1Cor. 10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased:
         for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
1Cor. 10:6 Now these things were our EXAMPLE,
        to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

1 Cor. 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

See how John Mark Hicks in Come to the Table believes that the Lord's Supper is such a feast where God eats with us.

Greek 1 Corinthians 10.7
mēde eidōlolatrai ginesthe, kathōs tines autōn: hōsper gegraptaiEkathisen ho laos phagein kai pein, kai anestēsan paizein.”

kathizō , Ion. kat- , impf.
I. causal, make to sit down, seat, “allous men kathison TrōasIl.3.68;
4. cause an assembly, court, etc., to take their seats, convene,

THIS PATTERN IS REPEATED BY THOSE WHO "RISE UP AND PLAY" THEIR DRUMS.

Anistēmi , II. rouse to action, stir up, III. make people rise, break up an assembly by force, Il.1.191; but ekklēsian anastēsai adjourn it, X.HG2.4.42. raise up against another, toutō de promon allon anastēsousin ib.7.116 (v. infr. B. 1.5): rouse to arms, raise troops, Th.2.68,96; “a. polemon epi tinaPlu.Cor.21; anastēsas ēge straton he called up his troops and marched them, Th.4.93, cf. 112, etc.
Hom. Il. 1.1 The wrath sing, goddess, of Peleus' son, Achilles, that destructive wrath which brought countless woes upon the Achaeans, and sent forth to Hades many valiant souls of heroes, and made them themselves spoil for dogs and every bird; thus the plan of Zeus came to fulfillment...For he had come to the swift ships of the Achaeans to free his daughter, bearing ransom past counting; and in his hands he held the wreaths of Apollo who strikes from afar,2
X.HG2.4.42
I ask you rather to show this virtue also, in addition to your other virtues,—that you are true to your oaths and are god-fearing men.” When he had said this and more to the same effect, and had told them that there was no need of their being disturbed, but that they had only to live under the laws that had previously been in force, he dismissed the Assembly.
Theologians, by definition, are the students and disciples of Apollo or Apollyon. He is the ruler of the LOCUSTS which are the Muses or His Musical Worship Team.

When the disciples of the THEOLOGIONS Rise up to PLAY in Instrumental-Trinitarian-Perverted Musical Idolatry they are Purpose Driven to
break up an assembly or your ekklēsian by force

Paizō
,  Dor. paisdō Theoc.15.42: Lacon. pres. part. gen. pl. fem. paiddōhan Ar. Lys.1313 (lyr.): fut. paixoumai Syrac. in X.Smp. 9.2,

Aristoph. Lys. 1313
Leaving again lovely lofty Taygetus
Hither O Spartan Muse, hither to greet us,
And wi' our choric voice to raise
To Amyclean Apollo praise, [Abaddon, Apollyon]
And Tyndareus' gallant sons whose days
Alang Eurotas' banks merrily pass,
An' Athene o' the House o' Brass.
Now the dance begin;
Dance, making swirl your fringe o' woolly skin,
While we join voices
To hymn dear Sparta that rejoices
I' a beautifu' sang,
An' loves to see
Dancers tangled beautifully;
For the girls i' tumbled ranks
Alang Eurotas' banks
Like wanton fillies thrang,
Frolicking there
An' like Bacchantes shaking the wild air
To comb a giddy laughter through the hair,
Bacchantes that clench thyrsi as they sweep
To the ecstatic leap.
An' Helen, Child o' Leda, come
Thou holy, nimble, gracefu' Queen,
Lead thou the dance, gather thy joyous tresses up i' bands
An' play like a fawn. To madden them, clap thy hands,
And sing praise to the warrior goddess templed i' our lands,
Her o' the House o' Brass.
Paizo: A2. esp. dance, “paisate Od.8.251; “dōma peristenakhizeto possin andrōn paizontōn 23.147, cf. Hes.Sc.277; “p. te kai khoreuein Ar.Ra.409, cf. 390; “enoplia khalkōtheis epaizenPi.O.13.86:—Pass., alla pepaistai metriōs hēmin, of the chorus, Ar. Th.1227.
Xen. Sym. 9.2 After he had withdrawn, a CHAIR of state, first of all, was set down in the room, and then the Syracusan came in with the announcement: “Gentlemen, Ariadne will now enter the chamber set apart for her and Dionysus; after that, Dionysus, a little flushed with wine drunk at a banquet of the gods, will come to join her; and then they will disport themselves together.”

thronos  throne, chair of state, tu^rann-is
  
of the sovereignty of Zeus II. despotic rule, obtained by force or fraud, tyranny,

Xen. Sym. 9.3 Then, to start proceedings, in came Ariadne, apparelled as a bride, and took her seat in the chair. Dionysus being still invisible, there was heard the Bacchic music played on a flute. Then it was that the assemblage was filled with admiration of the dancing master. For as soon as Ariadne heard the strain, her action was such that every one might have perceived her joy at the sound; and although she did not go to meet Dionysus, nor even rise, yet it was clear that she kept her composure with difficulty
Keith Stanglin etal DEMAND the Chief Seats in Church claiming that THEY speak with authority when their PATTERNS contradict Scripture.
Matt. 23:6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
Mark 12:39 And the chief seats in the synagogues, and the uppermost rooms at feasts:
Luke 11:43 Woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye love the uppermost seats in the synagogues, and greetings in the markets.
Luke 20:46 Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;
g4410. protokathedria, pro-tok-ath-ed-ree´-ah; from 4413 and 2515; a sitting first (in the front row), i.e. preeminence in council: — chief (highest, uppermost) seat.
g2515.kathedra, kath-ed´-rah; from 2596 and the same as 1476; a bench (literally or figuratively): — seat.

Mark 10:42 But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them.
Mark 10:43 But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister:
Mark 10:44 And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all.
Mark 10:45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.


RICK ATCHLEY DECLARES THAT THE SEAT OF JESUS HAS BEEN TRANSFERRED
http://www.piney.com/Rick.Atchley.Law.of.Silence.html

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However, the ROCK was NOT JESUS: Christ is whatever or whomever God used to carry out His will.
The ROCK  is that you must confess that "Jesus is the Christ the SON of God." Trinitarians say that Jesus WAS God in the FLESH are are branded as Antichrists.

Deut. 32:1 Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will SPEAK; and hear, O earth,
        the WORDS of my mouth.
Deut. 32:2 My doctrine shall drop AS the rain,
        my speech shall distil as the dew,
         as the small rain upon the tender herb,
        and as the showers upon the grass:
Deut. 32:3 Because I will publish the name of the Lord:
        ascribe ye greatness unto our God
Deut. 32:4 He is the ROCK,
        Meaning: his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment:
        a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

KEITH STANGLIN DENIES THAT.
h6697. , tsoor; from 6696; properly, a cliff (or sharp rock, as compressed); generally, a rock or boulder; figuratively, a refuge; also an edge (as precipitous):—edge, x (mighty) God (one), rock, x sharp, stone, x strength, x strong. See also 1049

G1049. Beyth Tsuwr, bayth tsoor´; from 1004 and 6697; house of (the) rock; Beth-Tsur, a place in Palestine:—Beth-zur.
Deut. 32:18 Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful,
        and hast forgotten God that formed thee.
Deut. 32:37 And he shall say, Where are their gods,
        their rock in whom they trusted,

2Sam. 22:32 For who is God, save the Lord?
        and who is a rock, save our God?

Psa. 31:2 Bow down thine ear to me; deliver me speedily:
        be thou my strong
ROCK, for an HOUSE of defence to save me.
Psa. 31:3 For thou art my
ROCK and my fortress;
        therefore for thy name’s sake lead me, and guide me.
Psa. 31:4 Pull me out of the NET that they have laid privily for me: for thou art my strength.
Psa. 31:5 Into thine hand I commit my spirit:
        thou hast redeemed me, O Lord God of truth.
Psa. 31:6 I have HATED them that regard lying vanities: but I trust in the Lord.

The ROCK which all Trinitarians deny is to confess that "Jesus is the Christ the SON of the LIVING God."

John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is,
        when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself;
        so hath he GIVEN to the Son to have life in himself;
John 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also,
        BECAUSE he is the Son of man.


Jesus said that God HIDES from the wise or SOPHISTS: speakers, singers, instrument players.


THREE Keith Stanglin Paul also was a Co-Inspirer: "and who also interpreted Sara Sarah and Hagar as an "allegory" of two covenants (Gal 4:24), both of which applications are NOT self-evident in their original context.  We could easily expand the list of New Testament writers who read out of Old Testament documents other than the original intend of their human Authors.  Why did they do this.

Well, being a hired Theologian means never to have say READING.
Gal. 4:1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
Gal. 4:2 But is under tutors [epitropous] and governors until the time appointed of the father.

epitrop-os , on, (epitrepō
A.  one to whom the charge of anything is entrusted, steward, trustee, administrator,
2.  Lat. procurator,Kaisaros e.Str.3.4.20,
*II. c.gen.pers., trustee, guardian, Hdt.4.76, Th.2.80, etc.; “e. tini paidōnHyp.Epit.42 : abs., Pl.Lg.924b, etc.; “hupo epitropous einaiEp.Gal.4.2 ; “kathistanai e.PRyl.153.18(ii A.D.): metaph., guardian, protector,theos e. eōnPi.O.1.106.
kathistēmi2. ordain, appoint, “hoi kathistantes mousikē . . paideueinPl.R.410b:
b. esp. of laws, constitutions, ceremonies, etc., establish, nomous, teletas,
also of a high financial office
oikonom-os , ho, ,
A. one who manages a household, = oikodespotēs
generally, manager, administrator
minister of God, Ep.Tit.1.7, cf. 1 Ep.Cor.4.1.
Titus 1:[7] For the overseer must be blameless, as God's steward; not self-pleasing, not easily angered, not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for dishonest gain;

episkop-os (A), ho, (one who watches over, overseer, guardian
in education, tutor, Pl.Lg.795d;

1 COR 4:1 So let a man think of us as Christ's servants, and stewards of God's mysteries.
Gal. 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
kosmos , ho, A.order, kata kosmon in order, duly, 4. of states, order, government
II. ornament, decoration, esp. of women, Il.14.187, Hes.Op. 76, Hdt.5.92.“ē; gunaikeios k.Pl.R.373c  metaph., of ornaments of speech, such as epithets, Id.9.9 (pl.), Arist.Rh.1408a14, Po.1457b2, 1458a33; hadumelē k. keladein to sing sweet songs of praise, Pi.O.11 (10).13
kela^d-eō, 2. of persons, shout aloud, atar keladēsan Akhaioi, in applause, Il.23.869; “eme dei k.Pratin. Lyr. 1.3, cf. B.l.c.; “keladeonti amphi Kinuran phamaiPi.P.2.15: c. acc. cogn., “k. humnousII. trans., sing of, celebrate loudly, t
kosm-eō ,  2. metaph., adorn, embellish, “logousE.Med.576; “logous rhēmasi te kai onomasi kekosmēmenous
2. generally, arrange, prepare, “dorpon ekosmeiOd. 7.13; “k. aoidēn ēBacch.59; “ergaHes.Op.306;
aoid-ē 1. art of song,autar aoidēn thespesiēn aphelonto
2. act of singing, song, with S.Ant.883; “luras a.E.Med. 425(lyr.).
5. = eppsdē, spell, incantation,okhēes ōkeiais . . anathrōskontes aoidaisA.R.4.42, cf. 59.

ōdēOpposite. lexis,
2. = epōdos, magic song, spell, Longus 2.7.

lexis , eōs, , (legō B) A.speech, Opposite ōdē, Pl.Lg.816d
4. text of an author, opposite. exegesis, autais lexesi or kata lexin word for word,

Hes. WD 306 Both gods and men are angry with a man who lives idle, [305] for in nature he is like the stingless drones who waste the labor of the bees, eating without working; but let it be your care to order your work properly, that in the right season your barns may be full of victual.
Gal. 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son,
        made of a woman, made under the law,

Gal. 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
  • Matt. 17:25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?
Matt. 17:26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.
Gal. 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit OF HIS SON into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Gal. 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
Gal. 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
Gal. 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
THE WEAK GREEK;  asthen-ēs , es,
5. [select] insignificant,ouk asthenestatos sophistēs HellēnōnHdt.4.95; paltry,a. sophismaA.Pr.1011;

T
HOSE WHO ARE WEAK:
--Sophis-tēs , ou, ho, A. master of one's craft, adept, expert, of diviners, Hdt.2.49; of poets, “meletan sophistais prosbalonPi.I.5(4).28, cf. Cratin.2; of musicians, “sophistēs . . parapaiōn khelun” with modal words added, Prietly person Making Melody in the Assembly hoi s. tōn hierōn melōn Ael.NA11.1   Apollōnos [Apollo, Abaddon, Apollyon]  poiētai, humnous idekaisuggrapheis, compose a speech

The WEAK Latinin-firmus   less nourishing,  Of things, of no weight or consequence, weak, trivial, inconclusive: II.    Trop., weak in mind or character, superstitious, pusillanimous, inconstant, light-minded:tenuis atque infirmi haec animi videri,Caes. B. C. 1, 32: “quippe minuti Semper et infirmi est animi voluptas ultio,” [passonate] Juv. 13, 190:
vŏluptas, satisfaction, enjoyment, pleasure, delight  an officer in the imperial household,master of the revels, Suet. Tib. 42 fin.
A. Of persons, as a term of endearment: “mea voluptas,my joy, my charmer,
B. Voluptates, sports, shows, spectacles, given to the people, Cic. Mur. 35, 74: “ne    "Are you asking employment as a pimp from a band of luxurious youths"  minimo quidem temporis voluptates intermissae,Tac. H. 3, 83; C. The desire for pleasure, bent, passion: “suam voluptatem explere,Ter. Hec. 1, 1, 12; cf. Plaut. Am. prol. 19;

Gal. 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years

Messianic.Jews.not.come.to.destroy.but.fulfil
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Why? It seems self-evident to anyone who ever read the Scriptures.

Gen. 25:22 And the children struggled together within her; and she said,

         If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the Lord.
Gen. 25:23 And the Lord said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb,
        and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels;
        and the one people shall be stronger than the other people;
        and the elder shall serve the younger.

WHO said this?  You don't need original CONTEXT to Sell religion.

Gen. 17:13 He that is born in thy house,
        and he that is bought with thy money,
         must needs be circumcised:
        and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
Gen. 17:15 And GOD SAID unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife,
        thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be.
Gen. 17:16 And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her:
        yea, I will bless her,
        and she shall be a mother of NATIONS; kings of people shall be of her.

Gen. 17:18 And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!
Gen. 17:19 And GOD said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed;
        and thou shalt call his name Isaac:
        and I will establish my COVENANT with him for an everlasting covenant,
        and with his seed after him.

ISAAC was chosen to bear the SEED until the time of Jesus who was MADE both Lord and Christ 30 years after He was born of this SEED. 
Gen. 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee:
        Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful,
        and will multiply him exceedingly;
        twelve princes shall he beget,
        and I will make him A GREAT NATION

Gen. 17:21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac,
        which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.

Gen. 17:22 And he left off talking with him, and God went up from Abraham.
Gen. 17:23 And Abraham took Ishmael his son, and all that were born in his house, and all that were bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham’s house; and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day, as God had said unto him.
Why should we worry about an EXACT count?

Keith Stanglin Comparing Paul to Socrates who in Phaedrus takes liberties

See Plato, Phaedrus 274c.

Socrates. Do you know how you can speak or act about rhetoric
        in a manner which will be acceptable to God?

Phaedrus. No, indeed. Do you?

Socrates
I can tell something I have heard of the ancients; [Christians with Scripture before MY time]
        but whether it is true, they only know.
        But if we ourselves should find it out,
        should we care any longer for human opinions? [Obviously Barnabas and Paul]

Phaedrus
A ridiculous question! But tell me what you say you have heard.

Socrates
I heard, then, that at Naucratis, in Egypt, was one of the ancient gods of that country,
        the one whose sacred bird is called the ibis, and the name of the god himself was Theuth
        But when they came to letters, This, said Theuth
, will make the Egyptians wiser
        and give them better memories; it is a specific both for the memory and for the wit.

Phaedrus. Yes, Socrates, you can easily invent tales of Egypt, or of any other country.

Of Speakers and Singers as Sound Brass meaning "a continuous talker."

Socrates. There was a tradition in the temple of Dodona that oaks first gave prophetic utterances. The men of old, unlike in their simplicity to young philosophy, deemed that if they heard the truth even from "oak or rock," it was enough for them;

whereas you seem to consider not whether a thing is or is not true,
but who the speaker is and from what country the tale comes.

But, Jesus of Nazareth, in the STATE of Holy Spirit said that Paul HEARD His voice and SAW him to QUALIFY him to be guided into further truth. There is no doubt that you cannot be a SELLING THEOLOGIAN without believing that you are superior to Paul who claimed the Spirit of Christ as Hii Teacher.

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The Doctors of the Law says Jesus "take away the key to Knowledge." Else if you read THE Phaedrus you would understand that your Musical Worship team is the LOCUSTS or Muses. Their LEADER is Apollyon.

Socrates. There is time enough.

And I believe that the grasshoppers chirruping after their manner
in the heat of the sun over our heads
are talking to one another and looking down at us.
What would they say if they saw that we, like the many, are not conversing,
but slumbering at mid-day, lulled by their voices, too indolent to think?
Would they not have a right to laugh at us?
They might imagine that we were slaves,
who, coming to rest at a place of resort of theirs,
like sheep lie asleep at noon around the well.

Chirruping is:

Liiddell- Scott: teret-isma , atos, to, a humming, twanging, phormingôn [harp] Diog. ap. D.L.6.104 (alluding to E.Fr.200), Luc.Nigr.15, AP7.612, cf. 11.352 (both Agath.); chirruping of cicadas, Hsch.

II. metaph., a mere sound or twittering, teretismata ta eidê (the Platonic ideas) Arist.APo.83a33; ta sunêthê tauta t. the ordinary prattle, Procop.Gaz.Ep.33; to poêma ouch hôs t. kai krouma nooumen Phld.Po.2p.228H.

But if they see us discoursing, and like Odysseus sailing past them, deaf to their siren voices, they may perhaps, out of respect, give us of the gifts which they receive from the gods that they may impart them to men.

Phaedrus. What gifts do you mean? I never heard of any.

seeskolion.nagy
Nagy Chapter 18

1n11 . This fable is transmitted by Plato Phaedrus259b-c. From Archilochus fr. 223W, we know that the poet called himself a tettîx in the context of composing blame poetry against those who harmed him.

[259b] perhaps they will be pleased and give us the gift which the gods bestowed on them to give to men.

Phaedrus

What is this gift? I don't seem to have heard of it.

Socrates

It is quite improper for a lover of the Muses never to have heard of such things. The story goes that these locusts were once men, before the birth of the Muses, and when the Muses were born and song appeared, some of the men were so overcome with delight

ekplēssō , Att. ekplēr-ttō , A.strike out of, drive away from, expel,
II. drive out of one's senses by a sudden shock, amaze, astound, Od.18.231 (tm.) ; “kallei kai hōra dienegkontes e. tinasAeschin.1.134 ; “ho phobos ekplēssōn..”  ekplagēnai tina to be struck with panic fear of.., 3. eis homologian ekplēttein frighten one into.., f.l. in Plb. 23.4.11.

phi^lomous-os
, on,
A.loving music or the Muses, delphines Arionl.8, cf. Theoc.14.61: generally, loving music and the arts, accomplished, Pl.Phdr.259b, R.548e, X.Cyr.5.1.1; “mousikoi kai ph.Phld.Mus.p.62 K., etc.; “logoi ph.Ar.Nu.358 (anap.): to ph., = philomousia, Plu.2.984b, etc.

--[259c] that they sang and sang, forgetting food and drink, until at last unconsciously they died. From them the locust tribe afterwards arose, and they have this gift from the Muses, that from the time of their birth they need no sustenance, but sing continually, without food or drink, until they die, when they go to the Muses and report who honors each of them on earth. They tell Terpsichore of those who have honored her in dances, and make them dearer to her;

amel-eō a^, aor. ēmelēsa, Ep.
tettix , i_gos (but i_kos Ar. and Theoc. acc. to Hdn.Gr. ap. Choerob. in Theod.1.292 H.), ho, A.cicala, Cicada plebeia or allied species, a winged insect fond of basking on trees, when the male makes a chirping or clicking noise by means of certain drums or 'tymbals' underneath the wings, whence the joke in Xenarch.14, eit' . . hoi tettiges ouk eudaimones, hōn tais gunaixin oud' hotioun phōnēs eni; prov., “tettigos edraxō pterouArchil.143 (v. “sullambanō11.1). This noise is freq. used as a simile for sweet sounds, Il.3.151, Hes.Op.582, Sc.393, Simon.173, 174, etc.; and Plato calls them hoi Mousōn prophētai, Phdr.262d; but they also became a prov. for garrulity, “lalein tettixAristopho10.7: “t. polloi ginomenoi nosōdes to etos sēmainousiThphr.Sign.54. They were thought to sing continually without food or drink, Ar.Nu. 1360, Pl.Phdr.259c; or on a diet of air and dew,

Terpsi^-khorē , , Dor. and Att. Terpsi^-khora_ Pi.I.2.7, Pl.Phdr.259c, cf. Choerob.in Theod.2.42 H.:—Terpsichore. the Muse of the dance, Hes. Th.78, etc.

ti_maō , Il.23.788honour, revere, reverence (in this sense the Med. is used only by Hom.); of the honour rendered to superiors, as by men to gods, by men to their elders, rulers, or guests, “peri kēri theon hōs timēsantoOd.19.280, etc.; “tima ton patera souLXX Ex.20.12, al.; conversely of the honour bestowed by gods upon a man, mermērize (sc. Zeus)“
daimonōn timan genosA.Th.236; “theous timōntesS.OC277,

Logos  computation, reckoning 2. statement of a theory, argument, ouk emeu alla tou l. akousantas prob. in Heraclit.50; logon ēde noēma amphis alētheiēs discourse and reflection on reality,
IV. inward debate of the soul, reflection, deliberation
Regulative and formative forces, derived from the intelligible and operative in the sensible universe,

Opposite to epithumia
 A. desire, yearning, longing after a thing, desire of or for it, Theaomai :--gaze at, behold, mostly with a sense of wonder3. view as spectators
Opposite Pathos  A. that which happens to a person or thing, incident, accident,  Moralizing Rhetoric
Opposite Poiein to excite passion, Arist.Rh.1418a12; V. Rhet., emotional style or treatment,
Opposite Enthousi-astikos , ē, on, A. inspired,phusisPl.Ti.71e; esp. by music,
Prose
 OPPOSITE -poiêsis, Id.R.390a;
OPPOSITE -poiêtikê, D.H.Comp.6; OPPOSITE poiêmata, onomatopoeic word
OPPOSITE  emmetra Modus   2. The measure of tones, measure, rhythm, melody, harmony, time; in poetry, measure, metre, mode: Mūsĭcus a, um, adj., = mousikos.
X. the Word or Wisdom of God, personified as his agent in creation and world-government,

Theologians are doomed to call God a liar or INCOMPETENT.  If God had wanted any kind of music in the tuneful sense He was INTELLIGIBLE But denied by C. Leonard Allen.

mousikos kai melōn poētēs
2. generally, votary of the Muses,  The Muses were the LOCUSTS unleashed with Apollon their "musical worship leaders." The Greek and Latin literature identifies them as dirty adulteresses

http://www.piney.com/DocHesTheog.html
[25] the Muses of Olympus, daughters of Zeus who holds the aegis: “Shepherds of the wilderness,
        wretched things of shame, mere bellies,
        we know how to speak many false things as though they were true;
        but we know, when we will, to utter true things.”
            ...and they bade me sing of the race of the blessed gods that are eternally,
                but ever to sing of themselves both first and last.
pharma^kon 3. enchanted potion, philtre: hence, charm, spell, Od.4.220 sq., Ar.Pl.302, [Circe, Church, Corinth mother of harlots]  Theoc.2.15

The singers [Muses], instrument players and craftsmen as sorcerers in Revelation 18.

John.Mark.Hicks.Keith.Stanglin.Letter.and.Spirit

Keith Stanglin’s Letter and the Spirit of Biblical Interpretation: Some Reflections

When Theologians write a short paper presenting CONCLUSIONS it takes a lot of work to post the ALWAYS-repudiation of the Word of God.  I will add more Scripture and TRUE history which they quote in error.

Keith D. Stanglin, The Letter and Spirit of Biblical Interpretation: From the Early Church to Modern Practice (Grand Rapids: Baker Academic, 2018). 274 pages.

Presentation at the 2019 Christian Scholars Conference in Lubbock, Texas.

John Mark Hicks: I welcome this book on several levels.

For me, and for others who have worked vocationally in historical theology, it is a welcome reacquaintance with past figures. I found myself renewing friendships with Gregory of Nyssa, Erasmus of Rotterdam, Calvin of Geneva, and even the Dutch Remonstrants whose influence was much greater than their numbers.

In addition, the purpose of this nostalgic journey
        is the REHABILITATION of the SPIRITUAL sense of Scripture
                or theological hermeneutics.

Yes, theologians would not get paid unless they declared God's Spirit a CRIPPLE.  Leonard Allen says that the Father-Son relationship is made INTELLIGIBLE by the aid of Another God to enable God's Spirit

John Mark Hicks: Keith Stanglin Letter and Spirit Stanglin,
following Paul, calls it the “letter” and the “spirit,” or the literal and spiritual, senses of Scripture.
        The spiritual sense seeks theological understanding
        beyond, though not irrespective of, the literal sense,
                especially where the literal sense is equated
                with the authorial intent of the human writer.

Baptism SAVES because we receive A holy spirit or mind--not a person. 1 Peter 3:21 we REQUEST A good conscience or consciousness which allows Co-Perception.  That allows reading BLACK text on BROWN Paper.

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Didn't Read Paul, I see.

The Letter and the Spirit 2 Corinthians 3

Letter,  Flesh, etc identifies the LAW OF MOSES
Spirit, The Faith, The Gospel is the New Testament.

Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves;
but our sufficiency is of God;
2 Cor 3:5
Who also hath made us
able ministers

(not of the Old Testament)
(but) of the new testament;
 
not of the letter,
but of the spirit:
for the letter killeth,
but the spirit giveth life. 2 Cor 3:6

In Acts 2:38 repentance AND Baptism is asking God for the remission of sins. Even a godly person has eyes and ear blinded.  This happened to the Hebrews at Mount Sinai when they rejected God.  The Literal Text is God inspired and free from human input--IF you are a Christian, a Disciple, a Student who attends the School of Christ.  If you despise the Word God sends strong delusions so that you MUST believe your own lies.  The MARK of delluded theologians is that they PREACH that when Paul commanded that we SPEAK that which is wriitten for our learning, they SEE Paul commanding that we "SING out of the Blue Book.:

Heb. 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,  [Church of Christ]
        which are written in heaven, [on the book of life]
        and to God the Judge of all,
        and to the SPIRITS of just men made PERFECT,
Col. 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness,
        and hath translated us [carry away]
        Into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Jesus said that His kingdom does not come with observation meaning RELIGIOUS OBSERVATION defined as the Lying Wonders of Delusional professionals.

By DEFINITION the tiny flock of lost spirits Jesus was sent to save OUT of the World will NOT be in attendance when the Senior Preaching Person claims that THE CHURCH puts new POWER into the Word of God.

In 1 Peter 3:31 Paul says that BAPTISM SAVES us because we REQUEST A good conscience, consciousness or the ability to read BLACK text on BROWN Paper.

God ALWAYS put's His WORD into the MOUTH of A Moses or A Jesus: A prophet like unto Moses.

John 6:62 What and if ye shall see the SON OF MAN ascend up where he was before?
John 6:63 It is the SPIRIT that quickeneth;
        the flesh [History] profiteth nothing:
        the WORDS that I speak unto you, they are
SPIRIT, and they are life.

Spirit literally means WIND or a Puff of Air: Spirit is figurative or a parable to HIDE from the wise or sophists meaning speaking your own words for sale, singing or playing instruments.

Rhetoric commentary
‘Vexed at this, and thinking life intolerable at the price, he is said to have ventured to propose a law,
LETTER: that if any one deprived a one-eyed man of an eye, he should lose both his own in return, that the loss of each might be equalized’.

SPIRIT: This is a case of epieikeia, the spirit of the law rectifying the imperfection of the letter. Rhet. I 13. 13--19.
The epiekeia or the SPIRIT of the law is

Epieikeia A .reasonableness2. . equity, opposite strict law, 3. . of persons, reasonableness, fairness, Charity , 2 Cor 10:1,
2Cor. 10:1 Now I Paul myself beseech you by the meekness and gentleness [spirit] of Christ, who in presence am base among you, but being absent am bold toward you:

G1932 epieikeia ep-ee-i'-ki-ah From G1933 ; suitableness, that is, (by implication) equity, mildness:—clemency, gentleness.

THE LAW is also the same as THE FLESH

2Cor. 10:2 But I beseech you, that I may not be bold when I am present with that confidence,
        wherewith I think to be bold against some,
        which think of us as if we walked according to the flesh.
2Cor. 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
2Cor. 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, [lifeless instruments]
        but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
-Epiekes b. . opposite to dikaios, [personal righteousness] fair, equitable,
        not according to the LETTER of the law.
         in a moral sense, reasonable, fair, good, capable, logical

        “logosPl.Ti.67d;
-psu_kh-ē , ,
ps. pneumaXenoph. ap. D.L.9.19; kardia psukhēs kai aisthēsios arkha]
2. the spirit of the universe, “ps. eis to meson tou kosmou theisPl.Ti.34b, cf. 30b
II. in Hom., departed spirit, ghost . psukhēn ouk akros poor-spirited, Id.5.124;
-dikaios  A. in Hom. and all writers, of persons, observant of custom or rule, Od.3.52; esp. of social rule, well-ordered, civilized,
2Cor. 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: [Almost no one can confess that]
        and where the Spirit OF the Lord is, there is liberty.
         [My words ARE Spirit John 6:63: Can't confess that either]
2Cor. 3:18 But we all,
        with open face beholding as in a glass [that which is perfected]  the glory of the Lord,
        are changed into the same image from glory to glory, [not without help!}
        even as by the Spirit of the Lord. [songs and sermons prove that they cannot confess that]
2Pet. 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; [don't believe that either]
        whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, [can't obey that either]
        as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, [they deny that]
        until the day dawn, [not without songs and sermons]
        and the day star arise in your hearts: [can't confess that either: baptism or not]

John Mark Hicks: Both of these concerns are germane to my own work, and I noted a kinship between Keith’s interest and my teaching over the past thirty-seven years. 

This interest commits Stanglin to an exercise in “retrieval exegesis” (211) or “retrieval theology” (11). By this, he intends to “provide critical understanding of and appreciation for both PREmodern and modern exegesis” in search of “a balanced and fruitful interaction between the letter and the spirit” (11).

I applaud this goal, and in pursuing it, Stanglin highlights the spiritual while not vacating the literal sense.
        In other words, one agenda of the book is to sanction theological interpretation
        and propose it as a healing balm for the woes of the splintered and chaotic practice
        of modern historical-critical exegesis.

Leonard Allen concurs and said that THE Holy Spirit (God) is necessary to make the Father and Son INTELLIGIBLE.

Keith.Stanglin.Private.Interpretation.Rejects.The.Holy.Spirit.html

Peter outlawed Private Interpretation or Further Expounding which would DESPISE God's Spirit.  The Church of Christ is defined inclusively and exclusively in the PROPHETS.  Jesus made the prophecies CONCERNING ME more certain.  Peter said that those who do not speak that "left memory" is a false teacher.  A passage means what it means in context.  If a passage is a PARABLE that, says Jesus, is proof that God HIDES from the wise or SOPHISTS.  Sophists sell learning at retail using rhetoric, singing, playing instruments or acting,.

MARKS OF ANTI-LOGOS (Regulative Principle) AND ANTI-CHRIST

Hdt. 1.78 This was how Croesus reasoned. Meanwhile, snakes began to swarm in the outer part of the city; and when they appeared the horses, leaving their accustomed pasture, devoured them. When Croesus saw this he thought it a portent, and so it was. [2] He at once sent to the homes of the Telmessian interpreters,1 to inquire concerning it; but though his messengers came and learned from the Telmessians what the portent meant, they could not bring back word to Croesus, for he was a prisoner before they could make their voyage back to Sardis.

Ophis     aiolos , ē, on, (os, on Arist.Pr., v. infr.) A.quick-moving, nimble, 2. shifty, slippery, “eposSol.11.7; “pseudosPi.N. 8.25; “kerdessiB.14.57; “mēkhanēma lugkos aiolōteronTrag.Adesp. 349.—Chiefly poet. “aiol' anthrōpōn kakaA.Supp.328; changeful, “iakhēE.Ion 499 (lyr.); “khoreiaAr.Ra.248 (lyr.); nomos Tclest.2; “aiola phōneōn” 

Chorus
O seats of Pan and rocks that lie near the hollows of Makrai, [495] where the three daughters of Aglauros dance over the green courses before the temples of Pallas,
        to the quavering wail of pipes, of songs,
[500] when you play the pipes in your sunless caves,
        O Pan, where an unhappy maiden bore a child to Phoebus [Apollyon] and exposed it as a feast for birds [505] and a bloody banquet for wild beasts, the outrage of the bitter rape; neither at the loom nor in speeches have I heard that the children born to mortals from gods claim a report of good fortune.

[3] Nonetheless, this was the judgment of the Telmessians: that Croesus must expect a foreign army to attack his country, and that when it came, it would subjugate the inhabitants of the land: for the snake, they said, was the offspring of the land, but the horse was an enemy and a foreigner. This was the answer which the Telmessians gave Croesus, knowing as yet nothing of the fate of Sardis and of the king himself; but when they gave it, Croesus was already taken.

ophis     aiolos , ē, on, (os, on Arist.Pr., v. infr.) A.quick-moving, nimble, 2. shifty, slippery, “eposSol.11.7; “pseudosPi.N. 8.25; “kerdessiB.14.57; “mēkhanēma lugkos aiolōteronTrag.Adesp. 349.—Chiefly poet. “aiol' anthrōpōn kakaA.Supp.328; changeful, “iakhēE.Ion 499 (lyr.); “khoreiaAr.Ra.248 (lyr.); nomos Tclest.2; “aiola phōneōn” 

Chorus
O seats of Pan and rocks that lie near the hollows of Makrai, [495] where the three daughters of Aglauros dance over the green courses before the temples of Pallas,
        to the quavering wail of pipes, of songs,
[500] when you play the pipes in your sunless caves,
        O Pan, where an unhappy maiden bore a child to Phoebus [Apollyon] and exposed it as a feast for birds [505] and a bloody banquet for wild beasts, the outrage of the bitter rape; neither at the loom nor in speeches have I heard that the children born to mortals from gods claim a report of good fortune.

1 These were a caste of priests of Apollo at Telmessus or Telmissus in Lycia. tōn exēgēteōn Telmēsseōn is contrary to Greek usage, exēgētēs being a substantive: Stein suggests that the true reading may be Telmēsseōn tōn exēgēteōn.

exēg-ēteon ,  A.one must relate, set forth, Plb.3.4.6.
exēg-ētēs  A.one who leads on, adviser
II. expounder, interpreter, esp. of oracles, dreams, or omens, Hdt.1.78; at Athens, of sacred rites or customs, modes of burial, expiation, etc., spiritual director 2. guide, cicerone, to temples, etc., Paus.5.15.10,
patrios e., of Apollo, Pl.R.427c. b. at Rome, of the pontifices, D.H.2.73.
Pu_tho-khrēstos , on, (khraō)
A.delivered by the Pythian god, manteumata ib.901; “nomoiX.Lac.8.5;
exēgētai; thusia 2. epith. of Aphrodite, SIG1014.74,160; of Dionysus, ib. 145; of Kore,

Plat. Laws 10.908c  and love the just, on the other hand, those who, besides holding that the world is empty of gods, are afflicted by incontinence in respect of pleasures and pains, and possess also powerful memories and sharp wits—though both these classes share alike in the disease of atheism, yet in respect of the amount of ruin they bring on other people, the latter class would work more and the former less of evil. For whereas the one class will be quite frank in its language about the gods and about sacrifices and oaths,
Plat. Laws 10.908d and by ridiculing other people will probably convert others to its views, unless it meets with punishment, the other class, while holding the same opinions as the former, yet being specially “gifted by nature'' and being full of craft and guile, is the class out of which are manufactured many diviners and experts in all manner of jugglery; and from it, too, there spring sometimes tyrants and demagogues and generals, and those who plot by means of peculiar mystic rites of their own, and the devices of those who are called “sophists.” Of these there may be many kinds;

dēmēgoros agoreuō   a popular orator, mostly in a bad sense, Plat.:— timai d. a speaker's honours, Eur.II. make popular speeches, to speak rhetorically, use clap-trap,

sophis-tēs , ou, ho, A. [select] master of one's craft, adept, expert, of diviners, Hdt.2.49; of poets, “meletan sophistais prosbalonPi.I.5(4).28, cf. Cratin.2; of musicians, “sophistēs . . parapaiōn khelun
with modal words added, “hoi s. tōn hierōn melōn”[MAKING MELODY IN A HOLY PLACE TO DECEIVE]

A DISGRACE: II from late v B.C., a Sophist, i.e. one who gave lessons in grammar, rhetoric, politics, mathematics, for money, such as Prodicus, Gorgias, Protagoras,

thaum-astos , Ion. thōm- , ē, on, A.wonderful, marvellous LYING WONDERS
III. to be worshipped, “oudeis m' areskei nukti thaumastos theōnE.Hipp.106.

Those with A holy spirit or A good conscience or consciousness when BAPTISM SAVES US.

1John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come,
        and hath given us an understanding,
        that we may know HIM THAT IS TRUE
        and we are in even that is TRUE, even in his SON Jesus Christ.
        This is the
TRUE God, and eternal life.

Rom. 15:21 But as it is written, To whom he was not spoken of, they shall see: and they that have not heard shall understand.

1Cor. 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
        and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

Eph. 1:15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus,
         and love unto all the saints,
Eph. 1:16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
Eph. 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ,
        the Father of glory, may give unto you the SPIRIT of wisdom
        and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Eph. 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened;
        that ye may know what is the hope of his calling,
        and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
Eph. 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe,
        according to the working of his mighty power,
Eph. 1:20 Which HE wrought in Christ,
        when HE raised him from the dead,
        and set him at HIS own right hand
        in the heavenly places,

THE ABSOLUTE LAW FOR ANYONE WHO SPEAKS (OR  WRITES)

Heb. 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec. [Not of Aaron-Levi]
Heb. 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say,
         and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
Heb. 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers,
        ye have need that one teach you again which be
        the first principles of the oracles of God;
        and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.


1Pet. 4:10 As every man hath received the gift,
        even so minister [deacon] the same one to another,
        as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.
1Pet. 4:11 If any man speak,
        let him speak as the oracles of God;

if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

The Prophets defined the future Church (school) of Christ both inclusively and exclusively.
Peter says that the PROPHETS were made more certain by Jesus performing Signs and Wonders.
The eye-- and ear-- witnesses (EYE witnesses) left us a Memory.
That is not subject to Private Interpretation or FURTHER EXPOUNDING.
Anyone who does not SPEAK that certified resource is a false teacher says Peter: that would blaspheme God's Spirit when He put His WORDS into the MOUTH of Jesus.
Jesus denied that He spoke beyond the Word, Logos or Regulative..

2.Peter.1.Prophecy.No.Private.Interpretation

It was Instrumental-Trinitarian-Idolatry at Mount Sinai which caused the ungodly mostly nobility class to be blinded and made deaf 

Deut. 18:15 The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet
        from the midst of thee,
        of thy brethren, like unto me;
        unto him ye shall hearken;
Deut. 18:16 According to all that thou desiredst of the Lord thy God in Horeb
        in the day of the assembly,
        saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God,
        neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
Deut. 18:17 And the Lord said unto me,
        They have well spoken that which they have spoken.

God HIMSELF puts His Words into the Mouth by HIS SPIRIT and without measure meaning no Musical Meter.

Deut. 18:18 I will raise them up
        a Prophet from among their brethren,
        like unto thee,
        and will put MY words [Dabar-Logos] in HIS mouth;
        and HE shall SPEAK unto them
        all that I shall command him.
 
Deut. 18:19 And it shall come to pass,
        that whosoever will not hearken
        unto MY WORDS which HE shall speak in MY NAME
        I will require it of him.
Deut. 18:20 But the prophet[Claiming inspiration]
        which shall presume to speak a WORD in my name,
        which I have not commanded him to speak,
        or that shall speak in the name of other gods,
        even that prophet shall die.

Deut. 18:21 And if thou say in thine heart,
        How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken?


Deut. 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord,
        if the thing follow not, nor come to pass,
        that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken,
        but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously:
        thou shalt not be afraid of him.

John Mark Hicks: First, Irenaeus is foundational to Stanglin’s reading of the patristic tradition. A central conviction, which lies at the heart of a theological hermeneutic, is present in the bishop.

http://www.piney.com/Irenaeus.Holy.Spirit.Apostolic.Preaching.Demo.IV.III.html

This, beloved, is the preaching of the truth, and this is the manner of our redemption, and this is the way of life, which the prophets proclaimed, and Christ established, and the apostles delivered, and the Church in all the world hands on to her children. 258 This must we keep with all certainty, with a sound will and pleasing to God, with good works and right-willed disposition.


86. If then the prophets prophesied that the Son of God was to appear upon the earth,
        and prophesied also where on the earth and how and in what manner He should make known His appearance,
        and all these prophecies the Lord took upon Himself; our faith in Him was well-founded, and the tradition of the preaching (is) true:
        that is to say, the testimony of the apostles, who being sent forth by the Lord preached in all the world the Son of God,
        who came to suffer, and endured to the destruction of death and the quickening of the flesh:
        that by the putting away of the enmity towards God, which is unrighteousness,
        we should obtain peace with Him, doing that which is pleasing to Him.
And this was declared by the prophets in the words: How beautiful are the feet of them that bring tidings of peace, and of them that. bring tidings of good things. 232 (Rom. x 15; Isa. lii. 7) And that these were to go forth from Judea and from Jerusalem, to declare to us the WORD of God, which is the law 233 for us,
         Isaiah says thus: For from Sion shall come forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. (Isa. ii. 3) And that in all the earth they were to preach, David says: Into all the earth went forth their speech, and their words to the ends of the world (Ps. xix 4)


John Mark Hick and Keith Stanglin believe that the CHURCH in its practices interpret Scripture.  Rubel Shelly denies that individuals have the right to read, interpret or speak anything but the COMMUNAL reading.

"Some groups, such as the Roman Catholic Church and the Jehovah's Witnesses, claim that their denomination's hierarchy must interpret scripture for the individual believer. Followers of these denominations often point to the disagreements among groups that don't claim to have an infallible interpreter as evidence that individuals need a hierarchy to interpret scripture for them. Recognizing such an authority supposedly would result in more unity.

Rubel Shelly and Catholic apologists often cite the disunity among the churches within evangelicalism, as well as passages such as Acts 8:30-31 and 2 Peter 1:20, as evidence that an infallible interpreter of scripture is needed. Supposedly, Christians should let the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church tell them what scripture actually teaches

For straight society READ or SPEAK that which is written are the only operative words.  God put's His Word in BLACK text on BROWN paper. Only those meek students of Christ will be able to understand what their eyes see.  The Word is SPIRITUALLY discerned. 

-Theios  1. of or FROM the gods, divine, “genosIl.6.180;
cf. 2 Ep.Pet.1.4; appointed of God, “basilēesOd.4.691; skēptron given by God, S.Ph.139 (lyr.); v. infr. 2. b.matters of religion, errei ta th. religion is no more,
c.inquiries concerning the divine, Pl.Sph.232c;
III. Adv. theiōsby divine providence, “th. pōsX.Cyr.4.2.1, etc.; theioterōs y special providence, Hdt.1.122;

Everyone was convinced that only emotionally and sexually disturbed women could interpret when in a music or drug induced frenzy.  You have to be emotionally abnormal to claim to be God's Mediator.  Theology is a word Pointing to Apollo or Apollyon.

-Thei-azō , (theios A) A.to be inspired, frenzied, hoposoi autous theiasantes epēlpisan as many as made them hope by divinations,
hoposoi teletais etheiazon obtained inspiration through RITUAL, Philostr.Her.5.3.
II.worship as divine, Id.59.27; “Puthagoran kai Platōna” [“logos epi teleutē tou Alexandrou etheiasthēArr.An.7.18.6; “
Aoidos , ho, (aeidō) A.singer, minstrel, bard
aoidos=“epōdos”, one who uses “epōdai”, incantations, in healing: see on O. C.1194.
Soph. Trach. 1000
I would that my eyes had never beheld you -
ah, woe is me! - for now I must glimpse
the inexorable flower of madness.
1000Oh where is the sorcerer, where is the healer -
save only Zeus - who has power enough
to soothe the destruction upon me?
If any should come, I would marvel

Jude warned about a return to the Instrumental-Trinitarian-Perverted (exhibitionists) and gave the only protection against Apollyon's interpretation in sermon and "musical worship teams" or Apollyon's LOCUSTS.

Jude 3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you
        of the common salvation,
        it was needful for me to write unto you,
        and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for THE FAITH
        which was once delivered unto the saints.
Jude 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares,
         who were before of old ORDAINED to this condemnation,
        ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness,
        and denying 
            THE only Lord God, [theos]
            AND our
            Lord [Kurios] Jesus Christ.
Jude 5 I will therefore put you in remembrance,
        though ye once knew this, how that the Lord,
        having saved the people out of the land of Egypt,
        afterward destroyed them that believed not.

Amos 5:26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images,
        the STAR of your god, which ye made to yourselves.

Acts 7:41 And they made a calf in those days,
        and offered sacrifice unto the idol,
        and rejoiced in the works of their own hands
Moloch.harp.drum.flute.gif


The practice in the wilderness, tyre and Jerusalem

Acts 7:42 Then God turned,
        and gave them up to worship the HOST of heaven; 
        as it is written in the book of the prophets,
        O ye house of Israel,  have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices
        by the space of forty years in the wilderness?

Keith characterizes it in this way:
        “the Scriptures display a fundamental unity
         that allows this kind of typological and intertextual
         play within the bounds of this grand story of redemption” (31).

Keith meant to say that there are many TYPES or TUPOS in Scripture.

Keith means that there are several copies of a DOCTRINE in many sources.  Paul said that he taught the same things in all of the churches.

The SPIRIT is the UNDERSTANDING of the BLACK text: when yo understand the SPIRIT of the Declaration of Independance, you cannot dispose of the LETTER.  You know the SPIRIT only by reading the LETTER. Any Greek kid in Corinth would have understood that: only the false prophets claimed to understand the SPIRIT (meaning) of a sealed envelope without reading the LETTER.  Of course, like Tel-evangelists the literate knew that they opened the sealed envelope and peeked.

One of the parts of education for all important people at the time was RHETORIC:

Rhetoric of Aristotle commentary

1.13.14 If then it be thus impossible to determine all these particular and exceptional cases, and yet there is a necessity for legislation,
        the law must be expressed in general terms;
        so that if a man wearing an iron ring lift his hand (to threaten) or strike another,
by the written law (the letter of the law) he is liable (to the penalty), and has committed a crime,
        but in truth and in fact he is not guilty of a crime,
        and herein (touto, in this fair interpretation of the act) lies equity’.

1.13.15
If then equity be such as we have described it, it is plain what sort of things (i.e. charges, imputed crimes) are equitable (i.e. suitable for equitable treatment), and the reverse, and what sort of men are not equitable’.

And hence to the end of the chapter we have an analysis of the popular objects of equitable treatment,
        and the characteristics of it, or of the absence of it,
        the negative which may be inferred from the positive, in these subjects.

17—18. ‘And to look (in interpreting the offence and the amount of the penalty), not to the law, but to the legislator, and not to the mere words (the letter) of the law, but to the mind (the intention) of the legislator’

‘Vexed at this, and thinking life intolerable at the price, he is said to have ventured to propose a law,

LETTER: that if any one deprived a one-eyed man of an eye, he should lose both his own in return, that the loss of each might be equalized’.

SPIRIT: This is a case of epieikeia, th
spirit
of the law rectifying the imperfection of the letter. Rhet. I 13. 13--19.
The epiekeia or the SPIRIT of the law is

Epieikeia A.reasonableness2. . equity, opp. strict law, 3. .
2.. equity, opp. strict law of persons, reasonableness, fairness, Charity , 2 Cor 10:1,   II.. personified, Clemency, Plu.Caes.57. merciful indulgent consideration, remembers only the benefits and forgets the injuries; remembers kindnesses received, forgets those that it has bestowed
2Cor. 10:1 Now I Paul myself beseech you by the meekness and gentleness [spirit] of Christ,
        who in presence am base among you, but being absent am bold toward you:

G1932 epieikeia From G1933 ; suitableness, that is, (by implication) equity, mildness:—clemency, gentleness.

THE LAW is also the same as THE FLESH

2Cor. 10:2 But I beseech you, that I may not be bold when I am present with that confidence,
        wherewith I think to be bold against some,
        which think of us as if we walked according to the flesh.
2Cor. 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
2Cor. 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, [lifeless instruments]
        but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
Example of Epieikeia (spirit)
Isocrates. [34] For this law-suit difiers so greatly from other private suits in this respect that, while the latter are of concern to the litigants only, in this private law-suit common interests of the city are likewise at stake. In trying this case you are bound by two oaths: one is the customary judicial oath which you take in all ordinary cases, and the other is that oath which you swore when you ratified the covenant of Amnesty. If in render an unjust verdict in this case, you will be violating not only the laws of the city, but also the laws common to all men. Consequently, it is not fitting that your votes should be based upon favor, or upon mere equity, nor upon anything else than upon the oaths you took when you made the covenant of Amnesty.

Irenaeus knew that everyone reads the text against the background of a hypothesis,
        which norms what the text  can mean or gives boundaries to the meaning of a text.

THIS IS DECEPTIVE:  Irenaeus is speaking of unclear PARABLES

http://www.piney.com/FathIrenaHerII.html#P7131_1850249

For, if this be not done, both he who explains them will do so without danger, and the parables will receive a like interpretation from all, and the body [veritatis corpus] of truth remains entire, with a harmonious adaptation of its members, and without any collision [of its several parts]. But to apply expressions which are not clear or evident to interpretations of the parables, such as every one discovers for himself as inclination leads him,
        For in this way no one will possess the rule of truth;
        but in accordance with the number of persons who explain the parables will be found the various systems of truth, in mutual opposition to each other, and setting forth antagonistic doctrines, like the questions current among the Gentile philosophers.

Belgic Confession Article 2: The Means by Which We Know God

We know God by two means:First, by the creation, preservation, and government of the universe, since that universe is before our eyes like a beautiful book in which all creatures, great and small, are as letters to make us ponder the invisible things of God: God’s eternal power and divinity, as the apostle Paul says in Romans 1:20.All these things are enough to convict humans and to leave them without excuse.

Second, God makes himself known to us more clearly by his holy and divine Word, as much as we need in this life, for God’s glory and for our salvation.

2. According to this course of procedure, therefore, man would always be inquiring but never finding, because he has rejected the very method of discovery. And when the Bridegroom comes, he who has his lamp untrimmed, and not burning with the brightness of a steady light, is classed among those who obscure the interpretations of the parables, forsaking Him who by His plain announcements freely imparts gifts to all who come to Him, and is excluded from His marriage-chamber. Since, therefore, the entire Scriptures, the prophets, and the Gospels, can be clearly, unambiguously, and harmoniously understood by all, although all do not believe them; and since they proclaim that one only God, to the exclusion of all others, formed all things by His word, whether visible or invisible, heavenly or earthly, in the water or under the earth, as I have shown from the very words of Scripture; and since the very system of creation to which we belong testifies, by what falls under our notice, that one Being made and governs it,-those persons will seem truly foolish who blind their eyes to such a clear demonstration, and will not behold the light of the announcement [made to them]; but they put fetters upon themselves, and every one of them imagines, by means of their obscure interpretations of the parables, that he has found out a God of his own. For that there is nothing whatever openly, expressly, and without controversy said in any part of Scripture respecting the Father conceived of by those who hold a contrary opinion, they themselves testify, when they maintain that the Saviour privately taught these same things not to all, but to certain only of His disciples who could comprehend them, and who understood what was intended by Him through means of arguments, enigmas, and parables. They come, [in fine, ] to this, that they maintain there is one Being who is proclaimed as God, and another as Father, He who is set forth as such through means of parables and enigmas.


Irenaeus uses hypothesis in connection with the pagans.

Irenaeus Against Heresies Book I

For if he has named the Father, and Charis, and Monogenes, and Aletheia, and Logos, and Zoe, and Anthropos, and Ecclesia, according to THEIR HYPOTHESIS, he has, by thus speaking, referred to the primary Ogdoad,  in which there was as yet no Jesus, and no Christ, the teacher of John. But that the apostle did not speak concerning their conjunctions, but concerning our Lord Jesus Christ, whom he also acknowledges as the Word of God, he himself has made evident. For, summing up his statements respecting the Word previously mentioned by him, he further declares, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us." But, according to  HYPOTHESIS, the Word did not become flesh at all, inasmuch as He never went outside of the Pleroma, but that Saviour [became flesh] who was formed by a special dispensation [out of all the Aeons], and was of later date than the Word
     For, since Logos, and Monogenes, and Zoe, and Phoµs, and Sorer, and Christus, and the Son of God, and He who became incarnate for us, have been proved to be one and the same, the Ogdoad which they have built up at once falls to pieces. And when this is destroyed, their whole system sinks into ruin,-a system which they falsely dream into existence, and thus inflict injury on the Scriptures, while they build up
THEIR own HYPOTHESIS.

4. Then, again, collecting a set of expressions and names scattered here and there [in Scripture], they twist them, as we have already said, from a natural to a non-natural sense. In so doing, they act like those who bring forward any kind of HYPOTHESIS they fancy, and then endeavour to support 127 them out of the poems of Homer, so that the ignorant imagine that Homer actually composed the verses bearing upon THAT HYPOTHESIS, which has, in fact, been but newly constructed; and many others are led so far by the regularly-formed sequence of the verses, as to doubt whether Homer may not have composed them. Of this kind 128 is the following passage, where one, describing Hercules as having been sent by Eurystheus to the dog in the infernal regions, does so by means of these Homeric verses,-for there can be no objection to our citing these by way of illustration, since the same sort of attempt appears in both:-

hupotithēmi   set before one, offer, suggest, propose to oneself as a task, make up one's mind, adopt as a policy, propose to oneself as a subject of discussion or argument, assume as a preliminary, establish as a preliminary, premise
after deciding in your own minds,

Irenaeus Against Heresies Book I 2. Thus it is that, wresting from the truth every one of the expressions which have been cited, and taking a bad advantage of the names, they have transferred them to their own system; so that, according to them, in all these terms John makes no mention of the Lord Jesus Christ. For if he has named the Father, and Charis, and Monogenes, and Aletheia,

and Logos, and Zoe, and Anthropos, and Ecclesia, according to THEIR HYPOTHESIS , he has, by thus speaking, referred to the primary Ogdoad, in which there was as yet no Jesus, and no Christ, the teacher of John.

But that the apostle did not speak concerning their conjunctions, but concerning our Lord Jesus Christ, whom he also acknowledges as the Word of God, he himself has made evident. For, summing up his statements respecting the Word previously mentioned by him, he further declares, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us." But, according to THEIR HYPOTHESIS, the Word did not become flesh at all, inasmuch as He never went outside of the Pleroma, but that Saviour [became flesh] who was formed by a special dispensation [out of all the Aeons], and was of later date than the Word.

Received through catechism, baptism, and liturgy, the church wears the Regula Fidei
        as a set of glasses through which Scripture is read,
        and with this lens even the illiterate
        are able to discern between the illegitimacy of the Gnostic hypothesis
            
and the truth of the received narrative

http://www.piney.com/Irenaeus.Demonstration.of.Apostolic.Preaching.html

3. Now, that we may not suffer ought of this kind, we must needs hold the rule of the faith without deviation,7
        and do the commandments of God, [
For in things that are, as they are, we believe; and believing in things that are, as they ever are,
        we keep firm our confidence in them.

Since then faith is the perpetuation of our salvation, w
       w e must needs bestow much pains on the maintenance thereof,
         in order that we may have a true comprehension of the things that are.
        Now faith occasions this for us; even as the Elders,
        the disciples of the Apostles, have handed down to us.

First of all it bids us bear in mind that we have received baptism for the remission of sins,
        in the name of God the Father,
        and in the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of God,
                who was incarnate and died and rose again,
and in the Holy Spirit of God. And that this baptism
        is the seal of eternal life, and is the new birth unto God,
        that we should no longer be the sons of mortal men,
        but of the eternal and perpetual God;
        and that what is everlasting and continuing is made God;11 and is over all things that are made,
        and all things are put under Him; |73 and all the things that are put under Him are made His own;
        for God is not ruler and Lord over the things of another,
        but over His own;12 and all things are God's;
        and therefore God is Almighty, and all things are of God.

4. For it is necessary that things that are made should have the beginning of their making from some great cause;
        and the beginning of all things is God.
For He Himself was not made by any, and by Him all things were made.
And therefore it is right first of all to believe that there is One God, the Father,
         who made and fashioned all things, and made what was not that it should be,
        and who, containing all things, alone is uncontained.13 Now among all things is this world of ours, and in the world is man: so then this world also was formed by God.

Heb. 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Mark 4:24 And he said unto them, Take heed what ye hear: with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you: and unto you that hear shall more be given.
Luke 8:18 Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.
man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
1Tim. 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
1Tim. 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Titus 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
Heb. 2:1 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.

5. Thus then there is shown forth One God, the Father, not made, invisible, creator of all things; above whom there is no other God, and after whom there is no other God.

And, since God is RATIONAL, therefore
        by (the) Word [not the Man Jesus] He created the things that were made;
and God is Spirit, and by (the) Spirit He adorned all things: as also the prophet says:

By the word of the Lord were the heavens established, and by his spirit all their power. Since then the Word establishes, that is to say, gives body and grants the reality of being, and the Spirit gives order and form to the diversity of the powers; rightly and fittingly is the Word called the Son, and the Spirit the Wisdom of God. Well also does Paul His apostle say:

One God, the Father, who is over all and through all and in us all. For over all is the Father; and through all is the Son, for through Him all things were made by the Father; and in us all is the Spirit, who cries Abba Father, and fashions man into the likeness of God.4

Now the Spirit shows forth the Word,
         and therefore the prophets announced the Son of God;
            and the Word utters the Spirit,
            and therefore is Himself the announcer of the prophets,
and leads and draws man to the Father.

6. This then is the order of the rule of our faith, and the foundation of the building, and the |75 stability of our conversation:

God, the Father, not made, not material, invisible; one God,
        the creator of all things: this is the first point21 of our faith.

The second point is: The WORD of God, Son of God, Christ Jesus our Lord,
        who was manifested to the prophets according to the form of their prophesying
        and according to the method of the dispensation of the Father:22
               through whom all things were made; who also at the end of the times,
                to complete and gather up23 all things, was made man among men, visible and tangible,24
               in order to abolish death and show forth life and
                produce a community of union between God and man.
One God And One Mediator
And the third point is:
        The Holy Spirit, through whom the prophets prophesied,
        and the FATHERS learned the things of God,
        and the righteous were led forth into the way of righteousness;
        and who in the end of the times was POURED out in a new way upon mankind in all the earth,
        renewing man unto God.

7. And for this reason the baptism of our |76regeneration proceeds through these three points:

God the Father bestowing on us regeneration through His Son by the Holy Spirit.
For as many as carry (in them) the Spirit of God are led to the WORD, that is to the Son;
and the Son brings them to the Father; and the Father causes them to possess incorruption.

Without the Spirit it is not possible to behold the Word of God,
nor without the Son can any draw near to the Father:

for the knowledge of the Father is the Son,
and the knowledge of the Son of God is through the Holy Spirit;
and, according to the good pleasure of the Father, the Son ministers and dispenses the Spirit to whomsoever the Father wills and as He wills.

Although Mathison claims the apostolic fathers believed the church not the individual, is the interpreter of scripture, he provides no proof: "Like Irenaeus, Clement recognizes the necessity of regula fidei (creeds) as the interpretive context of Scripture and the church as the interpreter of scripture, and he explains this relationship further in [book 7] chapter 17; but throughout this chapter it is the Scripture itself that is considered the criterion of truth." (Keith A. Mathison, The shape of Sola Scriptura, 2001, p24) Here is what Clement of Alexandria said that Mathison refers to. It is obvious that although a reference is clearly made to apostolic tradition, no where is the novelty that the church is the interpreter of scripture as Mathison so desperately imagines:

Third, I cannot fail to comment on Alexander Campbell, who takes up four pages in Stanglin’s narrative (169-172).  I think Keith is fundamentally correct.
        Campbell embraced nuda scriptura,
        which seems to undermine the Irenaean function of the Regula Fidei.
 

LOGOS
http://www.piney.com/Irenaeus.Demonstration.of.Apostolic.Preaching.html

5. Thus then there is shown forth 14 One God, the Father,
        not made, invisible, creator of all things;
         above whom there is no other God,
         and after whom there is no other God.15

Isa . 43:12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed,
        when there was no strange god among you:
        therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.

Is. 43:15 I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.

And, since God IS rational, |74 therefore by (the) WORD He created the things that were made;16
and God IS Spirit, and by (the) Spirit He adorned all things: as also the prophet says:

By the WORD of the Lord were the heavens established, and by HIS spirit all their power.17
        Since then the Word establishes, that is to say, gives body 18 and grants the reality of being,
        and the Spirit gives order and form to the diversity of the powers;
        rightly and fittingly
                is the WORD called the Son,
                and the SPIRIT the Wisdom of God.

Well also does Paul His apostle say:

One God, the Father, who is over all and through all and in us all.19
        For over all is the Father;
        and through all is the Son, [Word]
        for through Him all things were made by the Father;
        And in us all is the Spirit, who cries Abba Father,20 and fashions man into the likeness of God.4

20. Cf. Gal. iv. 6.
Gal. 4:6 And because ye are sons,
        God hath sent forth the Spirit OF
HIS Son into your HEARTS, crying, Abba, Father.

Jesus is NOT God but the Son of God.  Those who becomes SONS have the mind, spirit or mental disposition of a son of God.


Gal. 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a SON; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
 
g2936. ktizo, ktid´-zo; probably akin to 2932 (through the idea of proprietorship of the manufacturer); to fabricate, i.e. found (form originally): — create, Creator, make.

g2932. ktaomai, ktah´-om-ahee; a primary verb; to get, i.e. acquire (by any means; own): — obtain, possess, provide, purchase.

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Now the Spirit SHOWS FORTH the Word, and therefore the prophets announced the Son of God;
and the Word utters the Spirit, and therefore is Himself the announcer of the prophets,
and leads and draws man to the Father.

7. And for this reason the baptism of our |76regeneration proceeds through these three points:

God the Father bestowing on us regeneration through His Son by the Holy Spirit.
For as many as carry (in them) the Spirit of God are led to the Word, that is to the Son;
and the Son brings them to the Father; and the Father causes them to possess incorruption.

Without the Spirit it is not possible to behold the Word of God, nor without the Son can any draw near to the Father:
for the knowledge of the Father is the Son,
and the knowledge of the Son of God is through the Holy Spirit;
and, according to the good pleasure of the Father, the Son ministers and dispenses the Spirit to whomsoever the Father wills and as He wills.

Eph. 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Eph. 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ


Now the Spirit shows forth the Word, and therefore the prophets announced the Son of God;
and the Word utters the Spirit, and therefore is Himself the announcer of the prophets,
and leads and draws man to the Father.

Campbell does not have a regulated reading in the sense of a Rule of Faith
        external to the text of Scripture,

3. Now, that we may not suffer ought of this kind, we must needs hold the rule of the faith without deviation,7 and do the commandments of God, believing in God and fearing Him as Lord and loving Him as Father. Now this doing is produced |72 by faith: for Isaiah says:
        If ye believe not, neither shall ye understand.10
        And faith is produced by the truth; for faith rests on things that truly are.
For in things that are, as they are, we believe; and believing in things that are, as they ever are, we keep firm our confidence in them.

Since then faith is the perpetuation of our salvation, we must needs bestow much pains on the maintenance thereof, in order that we may have a true comprehension of the things that are.    

Now faith occasions this for us; even as the Elders, the disciples of the Apostles,
        have handed down to us.

First of all it bids us bear in mind that we have received baptism for the remission of sins, in the name of God the Father, and in the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who was incarnate and died and rose again, and in the Holy Spirit of God. And that this baptism is the seal of eternal life, and is the new birth unto God,
        that we should no longer be the sons of mortal men,
        but of the eternal and perpetual God;
        and that what is everlasting and continuing is made God;11
                 Perhaps "is mad BY God." 
all things are of God.

        and is over all things that are made,
        and all things are put under Him; |73 and all the things that are put under Him are made His own;
        for God is not ruler and Lord over the things of another,
        but over His own;12 and all things are God's;
        and therefore God is Almighty, and all things are OF God.

6. This then is the order of the rule of our faith, and the foundation of the building, and the |75 stability of our conversation:

God, the Father, not made, not material, invisible; one God,
        the creator of all things: this is the first point21 of our faith.

The second point is: The Word of God, Son of God, Christ Jesus our Lord,
        who was manifested to the prophets according to the form of their prophesying
Rev. 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the TESTIMONY of Jesus is the SPIRIT of prophecy.

John 6:63 It is the
SPIRIT that quickeneth;
        the flesh profiteth nothing:
        the WORDS that I SPEAK unto you,
        they are
SPIRIT, and they are life
        and according to the method of the dispensation of the Father:22
        through whom all things were made; who also at the end of the times,
        to complete and gather up23 all things, was made man among men, visible and tangible,24
        in order to abolish death and show forth life and
        produce a community of union between God and man.

And the third point is:
        The Holy Spirit, through whom the prophets prophesied,
        and the fathers learned the things of God,
        and the righteous were led forth into the way of righteousness;
        and who in the end of the times was poured out in a new way
        upon mankind in all the earth,
        renewing man unto God.

SEE PARAGRAPH 7 ABOVE

Hicks speaking of Campbell.

        but he does read Scripture with a hermeneutic
        regulated by an INDUCTIVE sense of God’s narrative

        which Campbell thought was helpfully summarized in the
Apostles Creed.

Inductive reasoning is a method of reasoning in which the premises are viewed as supplying some evidence for the truth of the conclusion. It is also described as a method where one's experiences and observations, including what are learned from others, are synthesized to come up with a general truth... the truth of the conclusion of an inductive argument is probable, based upon the evidence given.

Campbell READ Scripture and all historic scholars. Calvin

"There is then no other argument needed to condemn superstitions, than that they are not commanded by God:
........... or when men allow themselves to worship God according to their own fancies,
........... and attend not to His commands,
........... they pervert true religion." Calvin's Commentaries, 9:414.

"Hebrews 9:1. "Then verily the first", &c. After having spoken generally of the abrogation of the old covenant, he now refers specially to the ceremonies. His object is to show that
........... there was nothing practiced then to which Christ's coming has not put an end.

They, while condemning superstition, left untouched a multitude of ceremonies

which God had enjoined, and which were useful and appropriate to an age of tutelage; our business has been to correct numerous rites which had either crept in through oversight, or been turned to abuse and which, moreover, by no means accorded with the time.

For, if we would not throw everything into confusion,
we must never lose sight of the distinction between the old and the new dispensations, and of the fact that ceremonies, the observance of which was useful under the law, are now not only superfluous, but vicious and absurd.

But in regard to the former, it is plain that
........... they are destitute of authority from the scriptures,
........... as well as of any approved example of such intercession; while, as to the latter,

The Formula of Concord, 1576

We believe, teach, and confess that the distinction of the Law and of the Gospel, as a most excellently clear light, is to be retained with special diligence in the Church of God,
........... in order that the Word of God, agreeably to the admonition of St. Paul, may be rightly divided.

John Locke

But since men are so solicitous about the true church, I would only ask them here, by the way, if it be not more agreeable to the Church of Christ

to make the conditions of her communion consist in such things, and such things only,
as the
Holy Spirit has in the Holy Scriptures declared, in express words, to be necessary to salvation;

I ask, I say, whether this be not more agreeable to the Church of Christ
        than for men to IMPOSE
their own inventions and interpretations
        upon others
as if they were of Divine authority,
        and to establish by ecclesiastical laws,
        as absolutely necessary to the profession of Christianity,

        such things as the Holy Scriptures do either not mention,
        or at least not expressly command?

FALSE AGAIN ABOUT CREEDS!

Christian Union.--No. III. by Christian Union, pp. 189-192.
Alexander.Campbell.Christian.Baptist.Union.and.Creeds.html

I promised, in my last number, to give a short account of
        the origin of creeds
        as
DISTINGUISHED from the word of God in the gospel.
This I do, the more effectually,
         to evince the deception that is practised upon the world
        and the delusion under which it labors on this subject.

The first creed of which we are informed, as DISTINGUISHED
        from "the faith which was once delivered to the saints,"
        is presented to us under the imposing but false title of "The Apostles Creed,"
        which is so often repeated by the Roman Catholics
        and the Episcopalians as of divine origin.
 

John.Mark.Hicks.Resourcing.Alexander.Campbell’s.Trinitarian.Christian_System .One.html

Christian Union.--No. III.
by Christian Union, pp. 189-192.

    Christian union can result from nothing short of the destruction of creeds and confessions of faith, as human creeds and confessions have destroyed christian union. When ever the setting aside of creeds and confessions shall be attempted, christians will give to the world, and to angels and to themselves, proof that they do believe in the word of God.

NOTHING can reconcile the different sects in religion to relinquish their sectarian names and creeds for the name of christian and the WORD of God,
        but a clear proof that their names and creeds
        are not only unscriptural,
                 but are subversive of the christian character,
                 and in their consequences prevent the world believing in Jesus Christ.

In my two former numbers I have shown, in some degree, the truth of these things, and feel sure that every tender-hearted christian cannot fail to feel much affected by the considerations there exhibited.

      I promised, in my last number, to give a short account of the origin of creeds as distinguished from the word of God in the gospel. This I do, the more effectually, to evince the deception that is practised upon the world and the delusion under which it labors on this subject.

All sects may have something good among them;
        but that good is common property,
        and ought not to be limited by sectarian barriers or conditions.
God makes it the duty of every Christian to oppose every sectarian name and creed,
        and they have a divine right to do so;
        but none have a right to oppose the name of Christ or his oracles.
He makes it the duty of all who are built upon the Lord Jesus Christ by faith in him,
         for his name's sake to exercise tenderness and forbearance towards
        each other in points of conscientious differences,
        but never to divide or form new SECTS or CREEDS.

I shall say something about the origin, and growth, and effects of creeds hereafter, in promoting orthodoxy, &c., beginning with what has been falsely called "the Apostles' Creed." I will then address the clergy particularly on their duty in these United States

      The first creed of which we are informed, as distinguished from "the faith which was once delivered to the saints," is presented to us under the imposing but false title of "The Apostles Creed," which is so often repeated by the Roman Catholics and the Episcopalians as of divine origin.

Dupin, in his Ecclesiastical History of the first century, than whom a more correct and impartial historian has not lived, though of Catholic profession, makes it abundantly evident that this creed was not composed by the apostles. Saint Jerome says that the faith of the creed was an apostolic tradition, and was not written on paper by the apostles. "The fathers of the three first ages,"

Dupin observes, "disputing with heretics,
        do not pretend to say that the creed was composed by the apostles,
         but that the doctrine comprised in the creed is that of the apostles."

"We find," he farther remarks, "in the second and third ages of the church as many creeds as authors, and the same author sets the creed down after a different manner in several places of his works, which plainly shows that there was not then any creed that was reputed to be the apostles, nor even any reputed or established form of faith except that which was written in the word of God. St. Jerome exhibits two different creeds, and Tertullian made use of three different creeds in three several places; all of which creeds are different from the Vulgate." So much for the origin of the first creed, which is rung upon all the changes so often every Sabbath by Catholics and Episcopalians as apostolic.

Restoring God's House: Ecclesiology in Churches of Christ For Campbell, the rule of faith is the internal dynamic of the narrative itself. This inscripturated narrative functions as a canon within the canon and renders the Rule of Faith as an external summary unnecessary, though it might be helpful as a rehearsal of facts.  In this sense, we might say, he read Scripture through his own inductively inferred rule of faith.
Tom Olbricht: Campbell commenced the address by declaring the need to "take all our measures directly and immediately from the Divine standard." (Note 1) 

To be avoided, however, is a human interpretation of that standard.
He therefore immediately implied the
desirability of setting out guidelines which avoided human construals.

Note 1: Thomas Campbell, Declaration and Address, in Historical Documents Advocating Christian Union, ed. Charles Alexander Young, ed. (Chicago: The Christian Century Company, 1904) 71.

Also, Scripture, according to Campbell, is subject to “all the rules of interpretation which we apply to other books” (Millennial Harbinger, 1832, 111).


2 Pet 1:18 And this voice which came from heaven
        WE
heard
, when
        WE
were with him in the holy mount.  

2 Pet 1:19 
WE have also a more sure word of prophecy;
        whereunto YE
do well that ye take heed,


This hermeneutical commitment, along with his linguistic and hermeneutical optimism, grounded his pursuit of the restoration of the ancient order towards the goal of ecclesial unity.

2Cor. 1:13 For we write none other things unto you,
         than what ye read or acknowledge; and I trust ye shall acknowledge even to the end;
2Cor. 3:2 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
2Cor. 1:13 For we write none other things unto you,
        than what ye read or acknowledge;
        nd I trust ye shall acknowledge even to the end;
2Cor. 3:14 But their minds were blinded:
        for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away
        in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
2Cor. 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read,
        the vail is upon their heart.

Eph. 3:4 Whereby, when ye READ, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Col. 4:16 And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.
1Th. 5:27 I charge you by the Lord that this epistle be read unto all the holy brethren.
1Tim. 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.


While Scripture’s proper meaning is singular, it is sometimes “literal” and sometimes “figurative” (parabolic, allegorical, typological).

Campbell is willing to name this “figurative” meaning as “spiritual,”
        but he fears the word carried the baggage of “Origen”
        where “every word” in the Bible had “a spiritual sense.”

https://etimasthe.com/2017/09/20/the-three-levels-of-interpretation-of-scripture/

Perhaps the most well-known of the early ‘systems of interpretation’ was Origen’s three levels of interpretation of Scripture. Origen (c. 185—254 A.D.) was probably the most impressive Christian theologian of the third century A.D. However, in later periods his views came to be seen as dangerously unorthodox, and he was eventually (and posthumously) condemned by the Second Council of Constantinople in A.D. 553.

Stanglin grounds the legitimacy of theological hermeneutics
        in the historic practice of the church that has lived under the Rule of Faith
        (analogia fidei) for almost two thousand years,
        the unity of Scripture (analogia scripturae),
        and the primacy of the literal sense to which any spiritual sense is tied.

Keith also rejects several significant modern presuppositions, including
        (1) the neutrality of reader and
        (2) the single sense of the text limited to the intent of the HUMAN AUTHOR

For example, Stanglin suggests the spiritual sense of Scripture
        is not merely an application of the text
        but “in some sense meant to be found in the text”

http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.55.Word.Spirit.html

Spirit is never and can never be a god: SPIRIT is figurative or a parable to show how god always puts His WORDS into the MOUTH of A Moses and lastly Jesus.  God did the same for the prophets but not FACE TO FACE.

John Calvin speaking for all known pre-Charismatic history and for Paul who made sure that we knew that the SPIRIT was the Spirit OF God or the Spirit OF Christ and not a third "god."

John Calvin Continuing Revelation

1. The temper and error of the Libertines, who take to themselves the name of spiritual, briefly described. Their refutation.

(a). The Apostles and all true Christians have embraced the written Word. This confirmed by a passage in Isaiah; also by the example and words of Paul.
(b). The
Spirit OF CHRIST [Christ's OWN Spirit] seals the doctrine of the written Word on the minds of the godly.

(2) Refutation continued.

a) The impositions of Satan cannot be detected without the aid of the written Word. First Objection. The Answer to it.

3. Second Objection from the words of Paul as to the letter and spirit. The Answer, with an explanation of Paul's meaning. How the Spirit and the written Word are indissolubly connected.

1.The fanatics wrongly appeal to the Holy Spirit

Those who, rejecting Scripture, imagine that they have some peculiar way of penetrating to God, are to be deemed not so much under the influence of error as madness. For certain giddy men have lately appeared, who, while they make a great display of the superiority of the Spirit,

reject all reading of the Scriptures themselves, and deride the simplicity of those who only delight in what they call the dead and deadly letter. But I wish they would tell me what spirit it is whose inspiration raises them to such a sublime height that they dare despise the doctrine of Scripture as mean and childish.

If they answer that it is the Spirit of Christ, their confidence is exceedingly ridiculous;

since they will, I presume, admit that the apostles and other believers in the primitive Church were not illuminated by any other Spirit. None of these thereby learned to despise the word of God, but every one was imbued with greater reverence for it, as their writings most clearly testify.

And, indeed, it had been so foretold by the mouth of Isaiah. For when he says,

"My Spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever,"

he does not tie down the ancient Church to external doctrine, as he were a mere teacher of elements; he rather shows that,

under the reign of Christ, the true and full felicity of the new Church will consist in their being ruled not less by the Word than by the Spirit of God.

Hence we infer that these miscreants are guilty of fearful sacrilege in tearing asunder what the prophet joins in indissoluble union.

Add to this, that Paul, though carried up even to the third heaven, ceased not to profit by the doctrine of the law and the prophets, while, in like manner, he exhorts Timothy, a teacher of singular excellence, to give attention to reading, (1 Tim. 4: 13.)

This is Paul's unique word for worship in Spirit and in Truth: give attention or give heed. This is the same word in Hebrew used by David when he "worshiped" and sang songs upon his bed and meditated in his heart.

And the eulogium which he pronounces on Scripture well deserves to be remembered, viz., that

"it is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect," (2 Tim. 3: 16.)

What an infatuation of the devil, therefore, to fancy that Scripture, which conducts the sons of God to the final goal, is of transient and temporary use?

(217) and, at the same time, it is an interpretation or “appropriation
        (217). I PRESUME this meaning is intended
        by the divine author and discerned by the human reader.

When SPIRIT is poured, falls etc. the result is WORDS.

"Since being filled with the Spirit and letting the Word of Christ dwell within both produce the same results, a spirit-filled Christian is one in whom the Word of Christ dwells. A Spirit-filled Christian is a Christ-conscious Christian. A Spirit-filled Christian is consumed with learning everything he or she can about Jesus and obeying everything that Jesus said. That is what it means to 'let the word of Christ richly dwell within you.' To be filled with the Spirit is to be totally and richly involved in all there is to know about Jesus Christ." (MacArthur, John, Charismatic Chaos, p. 259, Zondervan).

GREEK SPIRIT
4151.  pneuma, pnyoo´-mah; from 4154;
        CURRENT OF AIR
        i.e. BREATH (blast) or a breeze;
        by ANALOGY or FIGURATIVELY, a spirit, i.e. (human) the rational soul,
        (by IMPLICATION) vital principle, mental disposition, etc.,
        or (superhuman) an angel, demon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy Spirit: —
        ghost, life, spirit(-ual, -ually), mind. Compare 5590.

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy SPIRIT,
        and began to SPEAK with other tongues,
        as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Eph. 6:19 And for me, that UTTERANCE may be given unto me,
         that I may open my MOUTH boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

The READER is not passive but is the means by which God opens up NEW meaning
        so that a kind of “this is that” appears “when ’that’ is something new
        and apparently far removed from the original ‘this’”
(217).

All of Scripture certifies that the WORD which cam in PARTS by individual, inspired writers, HAS been made Perfect and there are no more CO-INSPIRERS with God.
Jude 3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you
        of the common salvation,
it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that
        ye should earnestly contend for THE FAITH
        which was once delivered unto the saints.
Jude 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jude 5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
Jude 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jude 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

The Inspired Prophets Wrote: Jesus was a Prophet when He made these prophecies "concerning me" more certain. We "prophesy" when we READ the text. After Israel fell into Instrumental-Trinitarian-Perverted Idolatry, Moses prophesies of Jesus:

Deut. 18:18 I will raise them up
        a Prophet from among their brethren,
        like unto thee,
        and will put MY words [Dabar-Logos] in HIS mouth;
        and HE shall SPEAK unto them
        all that I shall command him.
 
Deut. 18:19 And it shall come to pass,
        that whosoever will not hearken
        unto MY WORDS which HE shall speak in MY NAME
        I will require it of him.
Deut. 18:20 But the prophet[Claiming inspiration]
        which shall presume to speak a WORD in my name,
        which I have not commanded him to speak,
        or that shall speak in the name of other gods,
        even that prophet shall die.

READ Or teach that which is written.


Theological hermeneutics, then,
         is where ecclesially-formed, [Church formed means Preacher-formed]

believing readers co-create meaning with the text
                (1) within liturgical life of the church,
                (2) in the confidence of the sacramental function of Scripture, 
                (3) the transformative presence of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus promised that I will return as the PARACLETE.  Jesus returned at Pentecost and poured out what ye see and hear.  1 John 2 says that the NAME was Jesus Christ the righteous in His glorified STATE of Holy Spirit (never a person)

Romans 12:1I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that
        YE present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God,
        which is your reasonable service.  
     
 
ēn logikēn latreian humōn:
Rătĭōnābĭlis , e, adj. ratio (post-Aug.; = rationalis, which is in better use), I. reasonable, rational: he pure milk of reason, id. 1 Pet. 2, 2: “sententia vera et rationabilis,
Sententĭa , ae, f. for sentientia, from sentio, I. a way of thinking, opinion, judgment, sentiment; a purpose, determination, decision, will, etc.
I. Transf., of words, discourse, etc., sense, meaning, signification, idea, notion, etc.
1. In gen., a thought expressed in words; a sentence, period: dum de singulis sententiis breviter disputo

Greek rational worship demands:

logi^k-os , ē, on, (logos)
A. of or for speaking or speech, merē l. the organs of speech, Plu.Cor.38:
logikē, , speech, Opposite. mousikē, Opposite phantasia expressed in speech,
II. possessed of reason, intellectual, “merosTi.Locr.99e, al.; “to l. zōon   
        dianoētikai, Mind Opposite. ēthikai, Arist.EN1108b9.
        And:
        Ethi^k-os , A. ēthos11) moral, Opposite. dianoētikos, Arist.EN1103a5,
        al.; ta ēthika a treatise on morals,
2. dialectical, argumentative, hoi l. dialogoi
    logical, l. sullogismoi, Opposite. rhētorikoi, Rh.1355a13.
    peri logikōn title of work, Opposite to phusikon, to ēthikon,
And Phusikos is the opposite of logikos
phu^sikos , ē, onA. natural, produced or caused by nature, inborn, native,
II. of or concerning the order of external nature, natural, physical, ph. epistēmē
2. ho ph.an inquirer into nature, natural philosopher,
4. Adv. “-kōsaccording to the laws of nature,
phu^sikos  is the Opposite of logikōs,
III. later, belonging to occult laws of nature, magical, ph. pharmaka spells or amulets,
Revelation 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
Revelation 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries [pharmaka] were all nations deceived.
Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

John says that they will be cast alive into the lake of fire.
Opposite Enthousi-astikos , ē, on, A. inspired, phusisPl.Ti.71e; esp. by music, Arist.Pol.1340a11; “ e. sophiadivination, Plu.Sol.12; “e. ekstasisIamb.Myst.3.8; “to e.excitement, Pl.Phdr. 263d: Sup. -ōtatos Sch.Iamb.Protr.p.129 P. Adv. “-kōs, diatithenai tinaPlu.2.433c: Comp. “-ōteronMarin.Procl.6.
Sophia , A.cleverness or skill in handicraft and art, in music and singing, tekhnē kai s. h.Merc.483, cf. 511; in poetry, Sol.13.52, Pi.O.1.117, in divination, S.OT 502
[
Logos , Opposite. kata pathos, Arist.EN1169a5 or personal experiences
Opposite Pathos  A. that which happens to a person or thing, incident, accident, where this incident took place, unfortunate accident,
2. what one has experienced, good or bad, experience
II. of the soul, emotion, passion (“legō de pathē . . holōs hois hepetai hēdonē ē lupēArist.EN1105b21), “sophiē psukhēn pathōn aphaireitai
Sophia , A. cleverness or skill in handicraft and ar,t in music and singing, tekhnē kai s. h.Merc.483, cf. 511; in poetry, Sol.13.52, Pi.O.1.117, Ar.Ra.882, X.An.1.2.8,
in divination, S.OT 502 (lyr.
Opposite Poiein to excite passion, Arist.Rh.1418a12; V. Rhet., emotional style or treatment, to sphodron kai enthousiastikon p. Longin.8.1; “pathos poieinArist. Rh.1418a12; “
Opposite matēn , Dor. mata_n ma^, Adv. random, false, dreams
Opposite human reasoning.
Opposite muthos, as history to legend,
intelligent utterance.....
Opposite phōnē, 3. any articulate sound,
4. of sounds made by inanimate objects, mostly Poet., “kerkidos ph.S.Fr.595; suriggōn (flute) E.Tr.127 (lyr.); “aulōnrare in early Prose, “organōn phōnaiPl.R.397a; freq. in LXX, “ ph. tēs salpiggos LXX Ex.20.18; ph. brontēs ib. Ps.103(104).7;
kerkis , “histois kerkida dineuousaE.Tr.199 (lyr.); “kerkisin ephestanaiId.Hec. 363; “phōnē kerkidosS.Fr.595; kerkidos humnois ib.890 (lyr.); “kerkidos aoidou2. tympanum or half-tympanum, IG42(1).102.89, 112 
Opposite Organon , to, (ergon, erdō) hard work A. instrument, implement, tool, for making or doing a thing, engine of war,
3. musical instrument, Simon.31, f.l. in A.Fr.57.1 ; ho men di' organōn ekēlei anthrōpous, of Marsyas, Pl.Smp.215c ; aneu organōn psilois logois ibid., cf. Plt.268b ; “o. polukhordaId.R.399c, al.; “met' ōdēs kai tinōn organōnPhld.Mus.p.98K.; of the pipe, Melanipp.2, Telest.1.2.
Plat. Sym. 215c Why, yes, and a far more marvellous one than the satyr. His lips indeed had power to entrance mankind by means of instruments; a thing still possible today for anyone who can pipe his tunes: for the music of Olympus' flute belonged, I may tell you, to Marsyas his teacher. So that if anyone, whether a fine flute-player or paltry flute-girl, can but flute his tunes, they have no equal for exciting a ravishment, and will indicate by the divinity that is in them who are apt recipients of the deities and their sanctifications. You differ from him in one point only—that you produce the same effect with simple prose unaided by instruments. For example, when we hear any other person—
Opposite inarticulate noise (psophos
psoph-os , also of musical instruments, lōtou, kitharas, E.Ba.687, Cyc.443; of a trumpet, Paus.2.21.3.
prose, Opposite poiēsis, Id.R.390a; Opposite. psilometria, Arist.Po.1448a11; Opposite. emmetra, l. touto tōn metrōn (sc. to iambeion)“
pezoi, Opposite poiētikē,

pezos , ē, on, (v. pous) : 2. of verse, unaccompanied by music, “kai peza kai phormiktaS.Fr.16 ; pezō goō: aneu aulou ē luras, without the lyre
2. without musical accompaniment (cf. 11.2), pausai melōdous' alla p. moi phrason. Pl.Sph.237a.

STOP the melody but let me explain!
phrazō , S.Ph.25, etc.: poet. impf. explain (opp. legō, which means simply speak, say), phrason haper g' elexas declare, explain what thou didst say,
II. Med. and Pass., indicate to oneself, i.e. think or muse upon, consider, ponder,
Lego  l. ti to say something, i. e. to speak to the point or purpose, to explain more fully,
to recite what is written, labe to biblion kai lege Plat., etc.:—but the sense of Lat. lego, to read, only occurs in compds., analegomai, epilegomai.
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. (anapauo)
373.  anapano, an-ap-ow´-o; from 303 and 3973; (reflexively) to repose (literally or figuratively (be exempt), remain); by implication, to refresh: — take ease, refresh, (give, take) rest.
3973. pauo, pow´-o; a primary verb (“pause”); to stop (transitively or intransitively), i.e. restrain, quit, desist, come to an end: — cease, leave, refrain.
Stop the:  Melōd-eō ,A. chant, sing, Ar.Av.226, 1381, Th.99:—Pass., to be chanted, “ta rhēthenta ē melōdēthentaPl.Lg.655d, cf. Chamael. ap. Ath. 14.620c; to be set to music, Cleanth. ap. Phld.Mus.p.98 K.; ta melōdoumena diastēmata used in music, Plu.2.1019a.
pauō , Il.19.67, etc. ;
Stop the: lupas ōdais p. E.Med.197 (anap.), etc. ; p. toxon let the bow rest, Od.21.279
  1. Stop the: 2. c. acc. pers. et gen. rei, hinder, keep back, or give one rest, from a thing, p. Hektora makhēs, ponoio Akhilēa, Thamurin aoidēs,
Stop the: 3. c. pres. part., stop a person from  leave off doing . . , hoth' hupnos heloi, pausaito te nēpiakheuōn when he stopped playing
Stop the: later paēsomai ana-) Apoc.14.13
Stop the: of one singing or speaking, 17.359, Hdt.7.8.d : generally, Med. denotes willing, Pass. forced, cessation.
Stop the rhapsōd-os , o(, A. reciter of Epic poems, sts. applied to the bard who recited his own poem, professional reciters, esp. of the poems of Homer, Hdt.5.67, Pl.Ion 530c, etc.: also rh. kuōn, ironically, of the Sphinx who chanted her riddle, S.OT391
(Prob. from rhaptō, aoidē; Hes.Fr. 265 speaks of himself and Homer as en nearois humnois rhapsantes aoidēn, and Pi.N.2.2 calls Epic poets rhaptōn epeōn aoidoi:
Stop the orkheomai , 2. represent by dancing or pantomime,
III. Act. orkheō , make to dance (v. Pl.Cra.407a), is used by Ion Trag.50, ek tōn aelptōn mallon ōrkhēsen phrenas made my heart leap

Rev 14.13] I heard the voice from heaven saying, "Write, 'Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.'" "Yes," says the Spirit, "that they may rest from their labors; for their works follow with them."
Spiritual worship or Reasonable worship is the Word of Christ only.
So, rational or spiritual worship is EXCLUSIVE of music which disables the mind.
Rational worship is of the reason or intellect.
Spiritual worship os Opposite to "sermonizing" or "moralizing which is:
Ethi^k-os , A. ēthos11) moral, Opposite. dianoētikos, Arist.EN1103a5, al.; ta ēthika a treatise on morals,
The Word of God is the only thing that can transform OUR spirit into the likeness of Christ's spirit:
Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world:
        but be ye transformed
(metamorph-oō )by the renewing of your mind,
        that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable,
        and perfect, will of God.
Rom. 12:2 And be not conformed to this world:
         but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind
         that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.


2Cor. 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers,
         transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Cor. 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Cor. 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Such readers, INHABITED by the indwelling SPIRIT,
        listen to HEAR how “this is that” and see what is NOT explicitly there.

Peter said that private interpretation or Further Expound marks you as A FALSE TEACHER.

http://www.piney.com/2.Peter.1.Prophecy.No.Private.Interpretation.html

We call that HALLUCINATION.

God put His WORD into the MOUTH of the MAN Jesus of Nazareth: Spirit is figuratiive or a Parable. Keith Stanglin assumes that neither God nor His BREATH and the WORD Jesus made visible and audible was TOO IGNORANT to say what He means. That amounts to blasphemy.

In His glorified STATE Jesus is Holy Spirit: Father and son abide IN those who keep His commandments in the same sense that those who keep God's Commandments ABIDE in the Father and Son. IN or EIS does not mean INSIDE OF.  The Dove reresented SPIRIT rested UPON and not INSIDE of Jesus. The SPIRIT SPOKE.  Spirit is breath and NEVER a person.

It seems to me that Stanglin’s proposal could use more emphasis on these three points,
        particularly the hermeneutical role of the SPIRIT.
        Though these three points are present in one form or another,
        his proposal is more epistemological than sacramental or liturgical.
        Nevertheless, the SEED of a fuller sacramental and liturgical picture are present in his work.


hermêneuô [hermêneus]   I. to interpret foreign tongues, Xen. II. to interpret, put into words, give utterance to, Thuc., etc. 2. to explain, Soph., Plat.

iglôssos , Att. di-ttos , on, speaking two languages,, diglôssos, ho, interpreter,  

II. double-tongued, deceitful, LXXSi.5.9, al.

THEOLOGIANS BY DEFINITION ARE INTERPRETERS OF APOLLON SUCH AS HERMES.

hermêneus 1 [Hermês, the messenger of the gods]

Hermês Hermes, the Lat. Mercurius, son of Maia and Zeus; messenger of the gods (diaktoros); giver of good luck (eriounios, akakêta ); god of all secret dealings, cunning, and stratagem (dolios); bearing a golden rod (chrusorrapis ); conductor of defunct spirits (psuchopompos, pompaios ); tutelary god of all arts, of traffic, markets, roads (agoraios, empolaios, hodios, enodios ), and of heralds. His bust, mounted on a four-cornered pillar, was used to mark boundaries. --Proverb., koinos Hermês shares in your luck! Theophr.: cf. hermaion.

hupophêtês , ou, ho, ( [phêmi] ) suggester, interpreter, expounder, esp. of the divine will or judgement, e.g. priest who declares an oracle, Il.16.235; Mousaôn [Rev 18:22] hupophêtai, i.e. poets,  

mousa , The nine muses, music, song playing the lyre or harp, liberal arts, accomplishments

By way of illustration, permit me to probe one of Keith’s examples. Might “” in the Lord’s Prayer refer to Eucharistic bread?

No. We live by BREAD.  However, the bread for the Lord's Supper was in the context of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. This bread is to show forth or preach the DEATH of Jesus which shuts the mouth of everyone else.

Tertullian thought so (On Prayer, 6).[1] In fact, Tertullian preferred what he called “the spiritual understanding”—Jesus is the bread of life who “authoritatively ranked” his body “as bread” when he said, “This is my body.”

Tertullian also wrote.
God's Spirit and God's Word and God's Reason, the Word of
the Reason and the Reason of the Word, and both of these Spirit,

John 6:63 It is the SPIRIT that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Jesus Christ our Lord, has marked out for the new disciples of the
new covenant a new plan of prayer. For it was right that in this
case, too, new wine should be stored in new bottles and a new
patch be stitched on to a new garment.1
        For everything that wasaforetime has either been transmuted, like circumcision, or supplemented, 
like the rest of the Law, or fulfilled, like prophecy, or
made perfect, like faith itself. The new grace of God has renewed
all things from carnal to spiritual by the subsequent addition of the
Gospel, the fulfiller of all older antiquity: for in it our Lord Jesus
Christ is approved as God's Spirit and God's Word and God's
Reason—Spirit in view of his power, Word in view of his teaching,
Reason in view of his intervention.


Tertullian an inventor of trias: But, first, I shall discuss His essential nature, and so the nature of His birth will be understood. We have already asserted that

God made the world, and all which it contains,
         by His Word, and Reason, and Power.

 It is abundantly plain that your philosophers, too,
 regard the
Logos-that is, the Word and Reason-
         as the
Creator of the universe.

And we, in like manner, hold that the Word, and Reason, and Power,
..........by which we have said God made all,

have spirit as their proper and essential    
substratum
, in which
the Word has in being to give forth utterances,
..........and reason abides to dispose and arrange,
..........and power is over all to execute.
We have been taught that

          He
(reason) proceeds forth from God,

and
in that procession He is generated;
so that He is the Son of God,
and is called God from unity of substance with God. For God, too, is a Spirit.

Even when the ray is shot from the sun,
..........it is still part of the parent mass; the sun will still be in the
          ray, because it is a ray of the sun-
..........there is no division of substance,
          but
merely an extension.

Thus Christ is Spirit OF Spirit, and God OF God, as light OF light is kindled.

The material matrix remains
entire and unimpaired,
though you derive from it
any number of shoots possessed of its qualities;

so, too, that which has come forth out of God
is at once God and the Son of God
, and the two are one. In this way also, as He is Spirit of Spirit and God of God,

He is made a second in manner of existence-in position, not in nature;
and He did not withdraw from the original source,
           but went forth.
This ray of God, then, as it was always foretold in ancient times, descending into a certain virgin, and made flesh in her womb,
..........is in His birth God and man united.
Campbell, Thomax, Trinity The relationship of Word to God was the same as the relationship of a word to a thought. And so this is the most common understanding among the church fathers. The the word is the SON of the speaker as FATHER then there is ot problem trying to sort out how a LITERAL son of god could be equal with the Father or of the same age.

1st. A word is a sign or representative of a thought or an idea
and is the idea in an
audible or visible form.
It is the exact image of that invisible thought 
which is a perfect
secret to all the world until it is expressed.

2d. All men think or form ideas by means of words or images; so that no man can think without words or symbols of some sort.

3d. Hence it follows that the word and the idea which it represents, 
        are
co-etaneous, or of the same age or antiquity.
........It is true the word may not be uttered or born 
        for years or ages after the idea exists,
........but still the word is just as old as the idea.

4th. The idea and the word are nevertheless distinct from each other, though the relation between them is the nearest known on earth.
........An idea cannot exist without a word
        nor a word without an idea.

5th. He that is acquainted with the word, is acquainted with the idea
        for the idea is
wholly in the word.

By putting together the above remarks on the term word, 
we have a full view of what John intended to communicate.
As a word is an exact image of an idea,
so is "The Word" an exact image of the invisible God.

As a word cannot exist without an idea, nor an idea without a word,
        so
God never was without "The Word," 
        nor "The Word" without God;

or as a word is of equal age, or co-etaneous with its idea,
        so "
The Word" and God are co-eternal.

And as an idea does not create its word nor a word its idea; so God did not create "The Word," nor the "Word" God.

Keith asks, “Did Jesus or Matthew intend” eucharistic bread? “Does it matter?” (240). I appreciate the controls Keith suggests on theological interpretation. They give theological interpretation a wide berth, perhaps too wide for modern historians. But I don’t think too wide for ecclesial theologians.  

The Feast of Unleavened Bread cam just after the Passover: neither were common meals so why try to TWIST it into something which allows the CHURCH to IMPROVE on the Words of Jesus and Paul.

Luke 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
Luke 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it,
        and gave unto them, saying,
        This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
Luke 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying,
        This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.


1Cor. 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

In terms of the Lord’s prayer, “bread” is literally present,
        and Eucharistic bread does not subvert or contradict the literal meaning.
Further, “bread” is an important theme in redemptive history, which often has a double sense.

Luke 14:15 And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things,
        he said unto him, Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God.
Luke 22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
Luke 22:30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Manna, for example, is both physical and spiritual nourishment
        since Christ is the spiritual food Israel consumed in the wilderness,
        according to Paul.

God gave LITTERAL Bread but Jesus gives SPIRIT bread because "MY WORDS are SPIRIT and life." Eathing the Word is a common expression and reading the WORD is literal and the singular Pattern for the Assembly.   All you need is someone who can READ that which is written for our learning.

John 6:31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
John 6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
         Moses gave you not that bread from heaven;
        but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
John 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven,
        and giveth life unto the world.
John 6:34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them,
        I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger;
        and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
John 6:52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
John 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
John 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father:
        so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
John 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven:
        not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
John 6:59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
John 6:60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
John 6:61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
John 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
John 6:63 It is the SPIRIT that quickeneth;
        The flesh profiteth nothing:
        the word that I speak unto you, they are
SPIRIT, and they are life.

Eucharistic bread in the Lord’s Prayer is not only consistent with the RULE OF FAITH
        but, given the liturgical context of its practice,
        points us toward the Eucharistic bread.


The Rule of Faith or the Regulative Principle is well documented in Scripture, Taught by Jesus, witnessed by the Signs and Wonders and "Left for our memory" and READING.  I understand the panic driving theologians to justify eating up the widow's living, but APT elders are commanded to Teach that Which is written for our LEARNING and excise anyone who disputes that.

If we read the Lord’s Prayer in this way as part of the LITURGY of the church
        where it is recited just prior to the distribution of the bread and wine,
        we see spiritual interpretation doing its good work.

Jesus performed all of the LITURGY: the kingdom does not come with acts of liturgy.  Jesus is with the twos or threes where the SCRIPTURES are read and explained as required.

It illustrates how the church legitimately CO-CREATES meaning
        that is beyond the explicit statements in the text.

Much of the entire list of books now bound in one book are forms of parallelism.  The pagan THESIS is defined if you simply READ.  Then God provides through men like Paul the ANTITHESIS.  The folly and fallacy was invented by THEOLOGIANS FOR SALE.  Early writers understood that the only way to prevent, in the words of Paul, "Super Apostles" from claiming the authority as CO-CREATORS OF GOD.
Psa. 119:103 How sweet are thy WORDS unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!
Psa. 119:104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.
Psa. 119:105  NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

Jude 3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
1Cor. 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
1Cor. 4:6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.

Rev. 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

IF YOU decide to use the Lord's Prayer in connection with the LORD'S SUPPER that is YOUR invention and does not alter the recorded text.

Matt. 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
If you pray for the kingdom come that is consistent with false teachings which repudiates Jesus. He and others preached the gospel OF the kingdom which is the good news of the church or assembly which is a Safe House protecting believers from anything a theologian wants to sell
Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you,
        That there be some of them that stand here,
        which shall not taste of death,
        till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

Matt. 6:11 Give us this day our DAILY bread.
g740. artos, ar´-tos; from 142; bread (as raised) or a loaf: — (shew-)bread, loaf.
1Cor. 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven,
        neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness;
        but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
g106. azumos, ad´-zoo-mos; from 1 (as a negative particle) and 2219; unleavened, i.e. (figuratively) uncorrupted; (in the neutral plural) specially (by implication) the Passover week: — unleavened (bread).
1Cor. 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying,
        This cup is the new testament in my blood:
        this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

1Cor. 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup,
        ye do shew the Lord’s death till he come.

1Cor. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread,
        and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily,
        shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

It illustrates how SCRIPTURE IS MULTIVALENT and capable of NEW MEANING in new situations irrespective of the human author’s intent.

That statement alone is enough to get you BURNED.  Leonard Allen says that the Father and Son are not INTELLIGIBLE unless a Holy Spirit god props them up,.

having or susceptible of many, interpretations, meanings, or values.
"visually complex and multivalent work". Having MANY meanings

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"Biblical Greek. Here the meaning is always religious. leitourgia in the OT is limited to priestly and Levitical administration. In the LXX it renders chiefly the Hebrew abhodha (5656) (from abad (5647)) which signifies service to God, specially undertaken by priests and Levites (e.g. Num.8:25; Lk.1:23; Heb.8:6; 9:21). In Christian Greek there is the additional meaning of brotherly beneficence operating in the local church, seen as a sacrifice to God.

"St. Paul speaks of himself being 'offered,' as upon an altar (Ph.2:17), and Epaphras as sacrificing almost his life to supply the Philippians' lack of leitourgia (2:30). He uses the word to indicate the almsgiving of Corinthian believers (II Cor.9:12). St. Clement speaks of leitourgia of each Christian apparently in the context of the Eucharist (41:1), and later in connection with the bishop's office.(44:3,6).The placing of the word leitourgia in the context of the Eucharist so early in Christian history naturally raises the question whether this term, having a strong sacrificial sense in Biblical Greek, does not figure in the same context in the NT. Is not Paul referring thereby to the offertory gifts at the Breaking of Bread

Christ has gotten a more excellent 'liturgy' than that of the old priests (Heb.8:6), and the liturgy may be the Eucharist. The verb leitourgew is used of the church at Antioch. It may well mean that 'when they were offering the liturgy to the Lord and fasting,' the Holy Ghost made His will known. (Christian Words, pp.389-90)

2.a. The service or ministry of the priests relative to the prayers and sacrifices offered to God: (Lk.1:23; Heb.8:6; 9:21), (for abhodha (5656), Num.8:22; 16:9; 18:4; II Chr.31:2É); hence the phrase in Phil.2:17, explained s.v. qusiaÉ (THAYER)

...leitourgein is used for a fellowship of prayer, which is indirectly described as a spiritualized priestly ministry. (KITTEL, Vol.IV pp228) Notes from Resource


If you use the Lord's Prayer about DAILY BREAD to teaching about the UNLEAVENED bread:

But is the spiritual meaning in the text? In one sense, yes, because it is situated within a grand story that gives such meaning to bread. And we might surmise that the divine author
         intended it as a meaning inherent in the text.
But in another sense, it is NOT, but that is okay.

YOU CANNOT RENEW THE SPIRIT UNLESS YOU CO-CREATE THE TEXT.

The CHURCH—as a faithful READER—is called to CO-create meaning with THE TEXT
        for the sake of the formation of the people of God into the image of God.

2Pet. 3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you;
        in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2Pet. 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets,
        and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
2Pet. 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers,
        walking after their own lusts,

empaig-ma , atos, to, A.jest, mocking, delusion, LXX Is.66.4; magikēs empaigmata tekhnēs ib.Wi.17.7

Paizō
, prop., play like a child, sport, “ de th' hama Numphai . . agronomoi paizousi
4. play on a musical instrument , h.Ap.206: c. acc., “Pan ho kalamophthogga paizōnAr.Ra.230; dance and sing, Pi. O.1.16.
5. play amorously, “pros allēlousX.Smp.9.2; “meta tinosLXX Ge.26.8; of mares, 

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2Pet. 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming?
         for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
2Pet. 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pet. 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pet. 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2Pet. 3:8 ¶ But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2Pet. 3:9 ¶ The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Pet. 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pet. 3:11 ¶ Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pet. 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pet. 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
2Pet. 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
2Pet. 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pet. 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2Pet. 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
2Pet. 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
1John 1:1 ¶ That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
1John 1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)
1John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
1John 1:4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.


This is Scripture’s sacramental function within the liturgical life of the church.

Given God’s history with God’s people
        and given the confession of the Rule of Faith
        and its practice within the church,
               the TEXT itself gives rise to meaning beyond the HUMAN author’s INTENT
               The church HEARS the word of God,
                understands its depth and profundity,
               and performs it liturgically and ethically.

ALL theologians live, move and have their being by declaring that GOD WAS/IS incompetent

Stanglin’s contribution identifies an overlapping harmony between modern and premodern interpretation though differences remain. There is a common ground between the methods where they might mutually enrich each other. The exploration of this common ground while recognizing how the differences entail quite distinct hermeneutical practices will be an ongoing task of the contemporary church.


[1] E. Evans, Tertullian’s Tract on Prayer (London: S.P.C.K., 1953) 11-13.