Rubel Shelly and John York in The Jesus Proposal Instead we have a GROUP MENTALITY that asks, "What does this mean to US?"

Rubel Shelly and John York: While we still have access to reading as individuals, we stop asking, "What does this mean to me?"--as though there is such an isolated meaning.

Instead we have a GROUP MENTALITY that asks, "What does this mean to US?"

Adolph Hitler wrote:

And it consisted, furthermore, in the gigantic mass demonstrations, these parades of hundreds of thousands of men, which burned into the small, wretched individual the proud conviction that, paltry worm as he was, he was nevertheless a part of a great dragon,1 beneath whose burning breath the hated bourgeois world would some day go up in fire and flame and the proletarian dictatorship would celebrate its ultimate final victory.

The mass meeting is also necessary for the reason that in it the individual, who at first while becoming a supporter of a young movement, feels lonely and easily succumbs to the fear of being alone, for the first time gets the picture of a larger community, which in most people has a strengthening, encouraging effect.

The same man, within a company or a battalion, surrounded by all his comrades, would set out on an attack with a lighter heart than if left entirely on his own.  In the crowd he always feels somewhat sheltered, even if a thousand reasons actually argue against it.
But the community of the great demonstration not only strengthens the individual, it also unites and helps to create an esprit de corps. The man who is exposed to grave tribulations, as the first advocate of a new doctrine in his factory or workshop, absolutely needs that strengthening which lies in the conviction of being a member and fighter in a great comprehensive body.

And he obtains an impression of this body for the first time in the mass demonstration. When from his little workshop or big factory, in which he feels very small,

he steps for the first time into a mass meeting and has thousands and thousands of people of the same opinions around him, when, as a seeker, (Als Suchender.' A Wagnerian phrase, which Hitler was apparently determined to use at all costs) he is swept away by three or four thousand others into the mighty effect of suggestive intoxication and enthusiasm,

when the visible success and agreement of thousands confirm to him the rightness of the new doctrine and for the first time arouse doubt in the truth of his previous conviction -

then he himself has succumbed to the magic influence of what we designate as 'mass suggestion.' The will, the longing, and also the power of thousands are accumulated in every individual. The man who enters such a meeting doubting and wavering leaves it inwardly reinforced: he has become a link in the community.

The National Socialist movement must never forget this and in particular

it must never let itself be influenced by those bourgeois simpletons who know everything better,
but who
nevertheless have gambled away a great state including their own existence and the rule of their class.

Plato wrote:

All those individuals who make their living by teaching, and whom the public call "sophists" and envy for their skill, in fact teach nothing but the conventional views held and expressed by the mass of the people when they meet; and this they call a science. Plato


(61) Aristobulus says, that he saw at Taxila two SOPhists (wise men), both Brachmanes, the elder had his head shaved, but the younger wore his hair; both were attended by disciples.

When not otherwise engaged, they spent their time in the market-place. They are honoured as public counsellors,

and have the liberty of taking away, without payment, whatever article they like which is exposed for sale; when any one accosts them, he pours over them oil of jessamine, in such profusion that it runs down from their eyes. Of honey and sesamum, which is exposed for sale in large quantity, they take enough to make cakes, and are fed without expense

That is why the NEW STYLE hermeneutic is as old as Satan who asks or proclaims: "Hath God really said"?

Carrol D. Osburn ACU: Note how Bro. O. views Scripture:"The Bible is not so much a 'heaven-sent answer book' as a

historical book produced within and for a historical community--
yet it
serves as Scripture today because people find themselves accountable to it.
That is what make its Scripture" (p. 46).

"This is one of the most damning statements in his book for it reveals much about his low view of the inspiration of God's Word."

Eve or ZOE is the prototype of questioning the WORD of God as authority. Many scholars have noted the conflict between DIALOG and the WORD which was commanded for the synagogue or "church in the wilderness" and the charismatic, effeminate rituals which have and will always prevail when pseudo-scholars traffic the idea that Paul was simply confused:

Rubel Shelly and John York: Neither is there anything that challenges the divine order in creation by having women partner with males in serving God.

So isn't it at least possible that there could be cultural conditioning at work in some of the statements about how men and women function in the life of the church?

And couldn't Christians disagree in good faith about the interpretation of these statements without any party to the discussion jettisoning a high view of Scripture as the Word of God?

The Jesus Seminar

See Richard Hamm of the Disciples Denomination

Claiming to be scientists they claim that the post-modern era demands that interpreting the Bible must be yanked back under the hands of SCHOLARS. Only the COMMUNITY (commune) has the right to interpret using the GROUP MIND. But, we have looked at enough SELF-PROMOTED scholars to understand what Jesus meant when He accused them of TAKING AWAY the key to knowledge. Quoting from their book:

Rubel Shelly and John York: [p. 114] Our proposal to focus on Jesus means that Scripture is NO LONGER a set of proof-texts or a collection of facts or God's rulebook for human behavior. Scripture is the unfolding story of God acting both to create and to re-create. It is not an easy book to understand.

It was NEVER intended as a document to [p. 115] be INDIVIDUALLY read and interpreted--a sort~of correspondence course in salvation.

In a box on page 114 Rubel "quotes?"

As we go to the cradle only in order to find the baby, so we go to the Scriptures only to find Christ. Martin Luther.

Shelly and York already claim to TAKE LIBERTIES and narrate their own story by placing THEMSELVES into the Role of Moses or an apostle. This along with the ethic of "postmodernism" means that if you lie for a good purpose it is not lying. That is why scholars RARELY quote the source but TAKE LIBERTIES for their own fun and profit.

Therefore, the REAL Martin Luther will STAND UP!


A sermon by Martin Luther from his Wartburg Church Postil, 1521-1522

25. But what it is to find Christ in such poverty, and what his swaddling clothes and manger signify, are explained in the previous Gospel; that his poverty teaches how we should find him in our neighbors, the lowliest and the most needy; and his swaddling clothes are the holy Scriptures;

that in actual life we should incline to the needy; and in our studies and contemplative life only to the Scriptures; in order that Christ alone may become the man of both lives and that he may everywhere stand before us.

We should shun the books of Aristotle, of the pope, and of all men, or read them in a way that we do not seek the edification of the soul in them; but with them make use of the time and this life, as one teaches a trade or civil law.

However it is not in vain that St. Luke places Mary before Joseph, and both of them before the child and says: "And they found both Mary and Joseph, and the babe lying in the manger."

In Martin Luther's words, just as a mother goes to the cradle only to find the baby, we go to the Bible only to find Christ. It is the Bible's primary purpose to bring men to their Savior by arousing the beginnings of faith. But this is not the only practical function it aims to fulfil. Peter and the author of the letter to the Hebrews use the analogy of birth and growth to illustrate a further purpose of Scripture. Those who have put their trust in Jesus as Saviour 'have been born anew' through the living and abiding word of God' : but, like all new-born babes, they must ' long for the pure spiritual milk' of the word if they are to survive and grow; and once beyond babyhood they need solid food - which is the meat of God's word.( 1Peter1 :23/1 Peter 2:2/Hebrews5 :12 -14).

This growth process is above all, a growing up in relationship with God. It is the Bible's function to feed the personal knowledge of the Father which the Christian child enjoys. And enjoy is exactly the right word, because as the believer learns more about of his delight becomes more intense. That is why Bible study should never be dull for a Christian. 'Your words' cries out Jeremiah , ' became to me a joy and the delight of my heart; for I am called by your name, O, Lord, God of hosts. ' Any personal relationship is fostered by words, and through the pages of the Bible the Christian hears God speaking to him; an experience, says the Psalmist, that is 'sweeter than honey' .

And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. Daniel 7:24

And he shall speak (poetically) great (as the embodiment of the adversary) words against the most High, and

shall wear out the saints of the most High, and
think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. (3 1/2 years) Daniel 7:25

But God always denied that one could interpret the Word in order to form secular temples and rituals in order to HARVEST the income of the people:

God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Acts 17:24

Neither is worshipped with mens hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; Acts 17:25

And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; Acts 17:26

That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: Acts 17:27

And Zeno, the founder of the Stoic sect, says in this book of the Republic,

"that we ought to make neither temples nor images; for that no work is worthy of the gods."
And he was not afraid to write in these very words: "There will be
no need to build temples. For a temple is not worth much, and ought not to be regarded as holy.

For nothing is worth much, and holy, which is the work of builders and mechanics."

Rightly, therefore, Plato too, recognising the world as God's temple, pointed out to the citizens a spot in the city where their idols were to be laid up. "Let not, then, any one again," he says, "consecrate temples to the gods. For gold and silver in other states, in the case of private individuals and in the temples, is an invidious possession; and ivory, a body which has abandoned the life, is not a sacred votive offering;

"James Reed was an outspoken man who did not mince words. In an article written in 1929, H. L. Mencken of the American Mercury wrote: "To be a fraud is safer and happier in Washington today than it has been since March 4, 1911. For James A. Reed, after eighteen years in the Senate, has hung up his sword and gone home to Missouri."

In one of the most forceful speeches ever delivered before the Senate, observed with great truth: "The majority crucified Jesus Christ; the majority burned the Christians at the stake; the majority established slavery; the majority jeered when Columbus said the world was round; the majority threw him into a dungeon for having discovered a new world; the majority cut off the ears of John Pym because he dared advocate the liberty of the press."

"Resolved: that all men should live for the glory of God. Resolved second: That whether others do or not, I will." - Jonathan Edwards

But, the Bible writers defined CHRISTIANITY for us by looking to the Work of Christ, the One Holy Spirit Who will not LIE about the OLDEN BIBLE:

If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained. 1 Tim 4:6

But refuse profane and old wives fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness. 1 Tim 4:7

For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come. 1 Tim 4:8

This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation. 1 Tim 4:9

For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach,
        because we
trust in the living God,
        who is the
Saviour (Heb. Yasha) of all men, specially of those that believe. 1 Tim 4:10
These things command and teach. 1 Tim 4:11

no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity. 1 Tim 4:12

Till I come, give attendance to (publiic) reading, to exhortation, to doctrine. 1 Tim 4:13

First, we might remind you that Jesus repudiated the Doctors of the Law (Pharisees, Scribes, Hypocrites) because THEY TAKE AWAY THE KEY TO KNOWLEDGE. The Greek world identified their claim as that of SORCERERS and because they served NO FUNCTION they were universally called PARASITES.

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:38

Walter Scott interpreted this to mean A holy spirit which is sanctified for the indwelling of the Mind of Christ which Peter wrote is the Holy Spirit (1 Cor 2).

The same Peter called this a pure conscience or consiousness CONTRARY to the doctors of the Law:

And corresponding to that, baptism now saves you-- not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for A good conscience-- through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 1 Peter 3:21

Suneidesis (g4893) soon-i'-day-sis; from a prol. form of 4894; co- perception, i.e. moral consciousness; - conscience.
(g4894) soon-i'-do; from 4862 and 1492; to see completely; used (like its prim.) only in two past tenses, respectively mean. to understand or become aware, and to be conscious or (clandestinely) informed of: - consider, know, be privy, be ware of.

On the contrary Jesus spoke in PARABLES to the professional religionists to PREVENT them from understanding the Word (Matt 13). This is because they saw Godliness as a means of financial gain. That is, as OCCUPATION.

Woe unto you, lawyers (preachers and book writers) for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered. Lu.11:52

Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another mans foundation: Romans 15:20

But as it is written, To whom he was not spoken of, they shall see: and they that have not heard shall understand. Romans 15:21

For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with FLESLY wisdom ,

but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to you ward. 2 Co 1:12

The word sOPHISts enfolds the word for SERPENT. These were the WISE professional speakers who would teach you ANYTHING--for a price.

For we do not write you anything you cannot read or understand. And I hope that, 2 Co.1:13
For we write you nothing but what you can read and understand; I hope you will understand fully, 2 Cor1:13

Epiginosko (g1921) ep-ig-in-oce'-ko; from 1909 and 1097; to know upon some mark, i.e. recognise; by impl. to become fully acquainted with, to acknowledge: - (ac-, have, take) know (-ledge, well), perceive.

As also ye have acknowledged us in part, that we are your rejoicing, even as ye also are ours in the day of the Lord Jesus. 2 Cor 1:14

Does Lord Jesus Christ the SON not have the ability to PUT INTO WORDS the thought of the FATHER within?

All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. Matt 11:27

Come unto me all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Matt 11:28

Take my yoke upon you, and LEARN of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. Matt 11:29

The professional RE-INTERPRETERS (Pharisees) are identified by how many BURDENS they lade on you. A Pharisee is defined as one 'having superior spiritual standing" by which they could justify CHARGING you to preach and pray for you. That definition still holds: you cannot violate the LAW against exegesis or further expounding and charge for it WITHOUT CLAIMING SUPERIOR SPIRITUAL connections to god.

Rest is:

Anapausis (g372) an-ap'-ow-sis; from 373; intermission; by impl. recreation: - rest.
(g373) an-up-ow'-o; from 303 and 3973; (reflex.) to repose (lit. or fig. [be exempt], remain); by impl. to refresh: - take ease, refresh, (give, take) rest.

Isn't it a bit childish to keep on repudiating God's right to regulate our faith and practice? Certainly there are rules: thou shalt not "steal the church house of widows." Thou shalt not call God a liar by rejecting His Living presence as the Word.

Rubel Shelly and John York: Prior to the invention of the printing press, access to the content of Scripture was oral.

For thousands of years it could only be heard and interpreted in the context of community.

Yes, INDIVIDUALS could comment on Scripture, but those comments were always for the LARGER hearing of the community.

Only after there was INDIVIDUAL access did there become an opportunity for an individual, isolated reading and interpretation that had no need or use for community.

Jerome c. 347--419

2. You write that our brother, Rufinus, has not yet come to you. Even if he does come it will do little to satisfy my longing, for I shall not now be able to see him. He is too far away to come hither, and the conditions of the lonely life that I have adopted forbid me to go to him. For I am no longer free to follow my own wishes. I entreat you, therefore, to ask him to allow you to have the commentaries of the reverend Rhetitius, bishop of Augustodunum, copied, in which he has so eloquently explained the Song of Songs. A countryman of the aforesaid brother Rufinus, the old man Paul, writes that Rufinus has his copy of Tertullian, and urgently requests that this may be returned. Next I have to ask you to get written on paper by a copyist certain books which the subjoined list will show you that I do not possess. I beg also that you will send me the explanation of the Psalms of David, and the copious work on Synods of the reverend Hilary, which I copied for him at Tręves with my own hand. Such books, you know, must be the food of the Christian soul if it is to meditate in the law of the Lord day and night.

God is the God of the EACH: believers do not come to him on BUS LOADS or "communes." The COMMUNE cannot hear for the each or believe or repent or confess or be baptized or WALK in the steps of Christ the Spirit. It was even prophesied that JESUS would not "call assemblies." In fact, little known by professional religionists, Jesus revealed a MOST VITAL meaning of the GOSPEL to a lone Samaritan woman. This revelation absolutely repudiates the WORSHIP in communes:

Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain (PLACE), nor yet at Jerusalem, (PLACE) worship the Father. John 4:21

Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship; for salvation is of the Jews. John 4:22
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit
(PLACE) and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. John 4:23

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit (PLACE) and in truth. John 4:24

The woman puts DOCTORS OF THE LAW to shame: she understood that MESSIAH coming meant as a TEACHER of all things required:

The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. John 4:25

Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he. John 4:26

Jesus through the writing apostles made it possible for all of us to be as WISE as this woman:

Take my yoke upon you, and LEARN of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. Matt 11:29

True, we assemble or synagogue to learn and teach ONE ANOTHER the Words of God and we partake the Lord's Supper as we remember His death and GRIEVE OUT hymns along with Him. However, there was NO "Standing Army" within the church.

But, when the assembly went home, the CONTROL MACHINERY ceased. The only thing left would be an elder in each community who exercised hospitality, taught others and handed out charity for those passing through. Even if an Apostle claimed authority, after two or three days they got him a job or sent him packing. STAFF such as rhetoricians, sOPHISts (serpents), singers or musicians claimed the role of SORCERERS and were therefore all identified as PARASITES.

When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways." Ac.3:26
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the
flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. Ac. 20:28

For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous (burdensome) wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Ac. 20:29

Preaching TITHES AND OFFERINGS means that you have WOLVES living of the income of widows and hard working, already taxed believers.

Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Ac. 20:30

So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears. Ac.20:31

So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God. Ro.14:12

That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man,
Wherefore be ye not unwise,
which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; Eph 4:22
but understanding what the will of the Lord is. Eph 5:17
And be renewed in the SPIRIT your mind; Eph 4:23

And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Eph 4:24

And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; Eph 5:18

Greek Methuo meant "Fluted" or "piped down with wine."

Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to his neighbor,
Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, [ALL inspired TEXT]

for we are all members of one body. Ep.4:25


singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; Eph 5:19
For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope Rom 15:4

That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ Rom 15:6

And I myself also am persuaded of you, my brethren, that ye also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another. Rom 15:14
For you know that we dealt with each of you as a father deals with his own children, 1Th.2:11
We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, in order to make your hope sure. Heb.6:11

We do not want you to become lazy, but to imitate those who through faith and patience inherit what has been promised. Heb 6:12

I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds. Re.2:23

Catholic views:

The Fruits of Private Interpretation


SDA Michael Scheifler is of the opinion that each and every individual can interpret the Bible privately. Since some Catholics sometimes broach -- as a counter-argument -- 2 Peter 1:20, Michael Scheifler writes:

"Look at [2 Peter 1:19-2:1] very closely. No PROPHECY of the scripture is of any private interpretation. Does that say that the Bible is not to be privately read, interpreted, and understood by the laity?"

No, Peter said that preachers CANNOT privately interpret which means further expound. Because the example of Jesus, the example of Paul and the direct command to Timothy and the practice of the early church ANYONE who could read could TEACH and indeed that happened in the synagogues where school boys read.  No one has any other authority but to SPEAK that which is written and there is NO PREACHER on the list offices.

The main problem, though, is that private interpretation must precede private inspiration. The thought that the laity should be allowed to interpret the Bible privately sprang up in the early part of the second century AD. What has private interpretation led to? To schism, to heresy, and to lots of sects. Just look at all those so-called "Christian denominations." They all claim to go by the Bible alone, yet none of them agrees with another on what the Bible means. Since the Protestant Reformation, thousands of sects and denominations have sprung up and have deceived and confused many Christians and others. That's what private interpretation results in.

I love to quote 1 Corinthians 1:10: "I urge you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree in what you say, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and in the same purpose." That does not at all sound like an allowance for private interpretation to me. If we all interpret for ourselves, will we ever be always united in the same mind? Certainly not.

He means that only the CATHOLIC COMMUNITY should interpret Scripture.


On the contrary, before movable type most of the great church theologians had written and published their works. Many men such as Heredotus hand copied his text and attended trade fairs and sold copies. Others continued to copy so that there was no lack of access. The church chained the Bible to the pulpit to keep it from getting stolen.

Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver. Ac.19:19

2. SORCERY AND WITCHCRAFT. "Pharmakeia." and homosexuality
Puritan Board

"Pharmakon," was a drug and, "pharmakeia," the use of drugs. The noun "pharmakeia" occurs in Gal.5v20.

Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Gal 5:20

Rev.9v21. 18v23.. "Sorcerer," "pharmakus," occurs in Rev.21v8.; and "pharmakos," in Rev.22v15.. "Mageia," "sorceries," in Acts.8v11. and "mageuo," "sorcery," in Act8v9.. "Magos," is translated as "sorcerer" in Acts.13v6,8.; and the plural "magi," as "wise men" in Mt.2v1,7,16. Sorcery and witchcraft in Paul's time were very similar to their modern equivalents; images of people were made and destroyed, and curses were put upon people by invoking the powers of darkness. In Paul's time, magic, divination, astrology and the occult powers mentioned in Deut.18v10-22., were commonly practised.

People were full of fear, and used amulets and charms in an effort to protect themselves from witchcraft, sorcery, magical spells and the evil eye. The value of the books on magic burned in the revival at Corinth was about Ł50,000, which shows how rife magical practices were in Paul's time. Acts.19v19. These occult practices were one of the main obstacles to the spread of the Gospel in the early Church, and this is why miracles were needed to confirm the truth of the Gospel.

Philip and Paul compelled the Gentiles to believe in Jesus, by doing greater miracles than the servants of Satan. Acts.8v4-13. 13v6-12. 18v11-20. Rom.15v18-21.

The Gutenberg bible was completed in about 1455.

But, "priests" were actually evangelists going out into all the world to teach. Schools were set up and the mass of church literature was well known. When there is no printing press individuals swarmed around the Scriptoriums to purchase parts of the Bible or even hand copy the.

However, Shelly and York see the divisive evil created when the "common people" were able to buy cheap copies. Versions were produced so that "even the plowman" could read and understand the Bible.

407 COMES BEFORE Gutenberg


b. AD 347, Antioch, Syria
d. Sept. 14, 407, Comana, Helenopontus;

Chrysostom who lived from AD 347 in Syrian Antioch and died in AD 407 wrote of Colossians 3 and defined it, like Paul, as the way God purposed to do the teaching all by Himself with no role for the magi (soothsayers, etc.)

"Tarry not, I entreat, for another to teach thee; thou hast the oracles of God. No man teacheth thee as they;

for he indeed oft grudgeth much for vainglory's sake and envy.


I entreat you, all ye that are careful for this life, and procure books that will be medicines for the soul. If ye will not any other, yet get you at least the New Testament, the Apostolic Epistles, the Acts, the Gospels,

for your constant teachers.

If grief befall thee, dive into them as into a chest of medicines; take thence comfort of thy trouble, be it loss, or death, or bereavement of relations;

or rather dive not into them merely,
but take them wholly to thee;
keep them in thy mind.

"This is the cause of all evils, the not knowing the Scriptures. We go into battle without arms, and how ought we to come off safe? Well contented should we be if we can be safe with them, let alone without them. Throw not the whole upon us! Sheep ye are, still not without reason, but rational; Paul committeth much to you also.

Rubel Shelly and John York: Just as identity in Christ is always COMMUNITY identity,

our reading of Scripture becomes a COMMUNITY READING as well.

While we still have access to reading as individuals,

we stop asking, "What does this mean to me?"--as though there is such an isolated meaning. Instead we have a GROUP MENTALITY that asks, "What does this mean to US?"

See the Music and Group Mentality connection.

"'The League of Nations', said the Archbishop of Canterbury, at Geneva, 'may go far to make the Kingdom of God a reality in our lifetime'... 'The League of Nations', says Dr. Jowett, has for its aim 'the transformation of the kingdom of this world into the Kingdom of GodÉ'" (1)

At the heart of this new "group-think" mentality were well-funded occult and illuminist organizations such as the Theosophical Society, Lucis Trust, and the Fabian Society, who ultimately promoted the concepts of Socialism into mainstream thought. In 1925, the Scopes Trial added the element of Darwinism into public consciousness, and the concept of "species survival" augmented the 19th Century notion of "Social Darwinism".

These philosophies, when blended into the attitudes and values of the masses of humanity, diminish the importance of the individual and elevate the virtues of the group. Biblically, this flies in the face of the doctrinal teachings of the New Testament, God's love and concern for the individual, and ultimately individual salvation.

At the same time, a group-think mentality promotes the false concepts of the "brotherhood of man", ecclesiastical unity, political globalism, and the sacrifice of individuals in order to insure "species survival" -even to the extent of mass genocide to eliminate the "feeble-minded" and other undesirable elements of society that may ultimately prove to be a threat to the species as a whole. 1. "Modernist Millennium", Perilous Times Newsletter, Vol. 2 #16

But, Jesus said:

For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. Matt 18:20
Come unto
me all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Matt 11:28

Take my yoke upon you, and LEARN of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. Matt 11:29

You can only YOKE two animals at a time. You cannot yoke the COMMUNE together and leave any room for Jesus Christ the Living word still speaking through His Written words which are SPIRIT and TRUTH (Jn 6:63)

Zugos (g2218) dzoo-gos'; from the root of zeugnumi , (to join, espec. by a "yoke"); a coupling, i.e. (fig.) servitude (a law or obligation); also (lit.) the beam of the balance (as connecting the scales): - pair of balances, yoke

Try to picture Rubel Shelly and John York YOKED or "partnered" with God to WORK OUT their Bible for our 'changed' culture. Try to picture an amoeba YOKED to a Wooly Matthth: get the picture?

It was the COMMUNITY with clergy riding on its back which laded the burden

Phortizo (g5412) for-tid'-zo; from 5414; to load up (prop. as aa vessel or animal), i.e. (fig.) to overburden with ceremony (or spiritual anxiety): - lade, be heavy laden.

And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers. Lu.11:46

This included tithes and offerings as LEGALISTIC

Phoros (g5411) for'-os; from 5342; a load (as borne,) i.e. (fig.) a tax (prop. an individ. assessment on persons or property; whereas 5056 is usually a gen. toll on goods or travel): - tribute.

Jesus died SPECIFICIALLY so that INDIVIDUALS could come to Him

Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp (par-em-bol-ay'; from a comp. of 3844 and 1685; a throwing in beside (juxtaposition), bearing his reproach. Heb 13:13

For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come. Heb 13:14

Rubel Shelly and John York: More importantly,

we lay aside INDIVIDUAL interpretations precisely because they are inevitably argumentative and divisive.

"Some groups, such as the Roman Catholic Church and the Jehovah's Witnesses, claim that their denomination's hierarchy must interpret scripture for the individual believer. Followers of these denominations often point to the disagreements among groups that don't claim to have an infallible interpreter as evidence that individuals need a hierarchy to interpret scripture for them. Recognizing such an authority supposedly would result in more unity.

Catholic apologists often cite the disunity among the churches within evangelicalism, as well as passages such as Acts 8:30-31 and 2 Peter 1:20, as evidence that an infallible interpreter of scripture is needed. Supposedly, Christians should let the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church tell them what scripture actually teaches. Resource

We GIVE UP the right of individual interpretation and take on the accountability of SHARED READING.

This is not a pooling of collective ignorance. The Bible is full of stories from ancient and often quite alien cultural settings and belief systems, and we cannot ignore those differences.

So we listen to the voices of scholarship just as we listen to the child who intuitively hears what God is saying in a particular story.

The JESUS SEMINAR depends much on the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas. This interesting document reads:

4 Jesus said, "The person old in days won't hesitate to ask a little child seven days old about the place of life, and that person will live.

For many of the first will be last, and will become a single one."

5 Jesus said, "Know what is in front of your face, and what is hidden from you will be disclosed to you.

For there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed. [And there is nothing buried that will not be raised."]

LT: Liberal Christians (e.g. many members of the United Church of Christ, the United Church of Canada, the liberal wings of the Episcopal Church and other denominations) view the Bible differently. Many of its leaders and ministers have accepted the findings of theologians such as the Jesus Seminar, using techniques of Biblical Criticism.

However, not much of this has filtered down to the ordinary member. Liberal theologians have abandoned the concept of biblical inerrancy. They view the Bible as having been written by authors who promoted differing religious views, reflecting the evolution of religious thought over about a 10 century time span.

SCHOLARSHIP does not grasp that "the because of transgression" at Mount Sinai was RISING UP TO PLAY. That was the musical worship of the Egyptian Triad. Because of this God removed THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT and burdened Israel with THE BOOK OF THE LAW. At the same time God turned them over to worship THE STARRY HOSTS. Much of the Old Testament is a REBUTTAL of the Babylon Harlot system which will be the END TIME church devoted to MUSIC and the performance of rhetoricians, sOPHISts (serpents), singers and musicians. No SCHOLAR will teach you that: you have to be baptized INTO Christ to become His disciple (and not the scholars) before you can READ the Old Testament without blinders (2 Cor 3)>

When Jesus went out to preach He did not call the "community." When He spoke of GIVING He insisted that the "community" had nothing to do with it. When He spoke of prayer He insisted that worship in the NEW PLACE of the HUMAN SPIRIT must be done totally alone just as only ONE priest could enter into the Most Holy Place. Paul never promised CUMMUNING but of SCATTERING and persecution. Jesus died to remove the COMMUNITY from off our backs so that we can come to Him and REST from "anxiety producing religious rituals." Jesus defined His presence in the ekklesia, synagogue or SCHOOL OF CHRIST as involving two or three gathered in HIS name and not in the name of a performing preacher or MUSICA team used to HURT people and call it the Holy Spirit. Peter outlawed such interpretation just as Jesus repudiated the Doctors of the Law. Peter was an EYE-WITNESS and therefore Shelly and York cannot be latter day apostles to deliver the Word in the form of a COMMUNE taxing people Jesus died to free. Burden as CEREMONY and extra TAXES is guaranteed when the CHURCH takes on the tasks which belong to Caesar:

Phoros (g5411) for'-os; from 5342; a load (as borne,) i.e. (fig.) a tax (prop. an individ. assessment on persons or property; whereas 5056 is usually a gen. toll on goods or travel): - tribute.

Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth. 2 Pet 1:12

Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance; 2 Pet 1:13
Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me. 2 Pet 1:14

Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things alway in remembrance. 2 Pet 1:15


You may individually be able to read the Text and hear Paul define TEACHING one another and OUTLAWS external melody which is a WARFARE word and not a "musical word."

The way to solve Romans 14 is not, according to Rubel Shelly, accomodate instrumental music. No. Paul defined the synagogue as the way for DIVERSE BACKGROUNDS to meet together in a SCHOOL OF THE BIBLE with the Spirit of Christ being the ONLY Teacher:

For even Christ pleased (arouse excitability) not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me. Rom 15:3

For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. Rom 15:4

Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus: Rom 15:5

That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Rom 15:6

And I myself also am persuaded of you, my brethren, that ye also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another. Rom 15:14


For we have NOT followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 2 Pet 1:16

For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 2 Pet 1:17

And this voice which came from heaven WE HEARD, when we were with him in the holy mount. 2 Pet 1:18

We have also a MORE sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye TAKE HEED, as unto a LIGHT that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the DAY STAR arise in your hearts: 2 Pet 1:19

We WORSHIP whatever we GIVE ATTENTION TO. People hate the Bible and warn of idolatry for trusting the ONCE DELIVERED WORD. However, to give heed to God we must give heed to His Word:

Proserchomai (g4334) pros-er'-khom-ahee; from 4314 and 2064 (includ. its alt.); to approach, i.e. (lit.) come near, visit, or (fig.) worship, assent to: - (as soon as he) come (unto), come thereunto, consent, draw near, go (near, to, unto).

WHY IS IT THAT WE SHOULD REJOICE IN SOLA SCRIPTURA? It is either the words of Lord Jesus Christ through an inspired Apostle or it is through a SELF-PROCLAIMED LATTER DAY APOSTLE. Peter speaking for Lord Jesus Christ gave NO ONE the right to INTERPRET the Word. The command of the Word is to "teach the Word as it has been taught" without trying to INJECT false dogma by claiming to be the SECOND INCARNATION. What happened the FIRST TIME?

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any PRIVATE INTERPRETATION. 2 Pet 1:20

Because Peter said

Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 1 Peter 1:11


Epilusis (g1955) ep-il'-oo-sis; from 1956; explanation, i.e. APPLICATION: - interpretation. Epiluo (g1956) ep-ee-loo'-o; from 1909 and 3089; to solve further, i.e. (fig.) to explain, decide: - determine, EXPOUND.

What was Paul saying when he DEMANDED that the elders (as the pastor teachers) "teach that which has been taught" and "refute those who contradict it?" Do we need a COMMUNE with a GROUP MIND to explain what Peter meant?

Peter made it very clear but the Phds for which there was no "certificate of need" have to turn the Bible upside down or go down in history as taking from the poor. There is NO community which can with a straight face claim that THE AUDIENCE is incompetent and the GROUP MIND--led by the GROUP LEADER--must INTERPRET the Bible which needs little interpretation unless you INTEND to repudiate Jesus as the Living Word who supplied the Written Word.

Jesus outlawed the Doctors of the Law because they "took away the key to knowledge." Peter was given the keys but HE rejected the idea of continuing revelation. All of the rhetoricians, sOPHISts (serpents), singers, musicians and technikrats in the church fulfilled self-selected roles as SORCERERS. Revelation 18 reveals the fact that the harlot church will be LOADED DOWN with "ministers" pretending to fulfill these functions.

Because they performed no useful role they were deemed PARASITES. Pharisees (false preachers), Scribe (false book writers) and Hypocrites (actors, musicians). The deviant musicians tried to "make a place for themselves in the mainstreem" even though the CHARISMATICS both repulsed and attracted people like a TRAIN WRECK.

And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; Rev 18:22

Mousikos (g3451) moo-sik-os'; from Mousa , (a Muse); "musical", i.e. (as noun) a minstrel: - musician

The "muses" were the "worship team" of Apollo, Abaddon or Apollyon . The LOCUSTS or "musical performers" in Legend had the power to PUT YOU TO SLEEP but they had the STING of a Scorpion. History is agreed that MUSIC stings you before you begin to FEEL SPIRITUAL.

Musica , ae, and musice- , e-s, f., = mousikę, the ART of music, music; acc. to the notions of the ancients, also every higher kind of artistic or scientific culture or pursuit: musicam Damone aut Aristoxeno tractante? Similar meaning:

Exegetice , es, f., = exęgętikę, the art of interpretation, exegesis magice- , e-s, f., = magikę (sc. technę), the magic art, magic, SORCERY , medicinam magices

And the voice of harpers, and musicians (Apollo's muses), and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman (Techne, magice, exegetice) of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; Rev 18:22

Magice- , e-s, f., = magikę (sc. technę), the magic art, magic, sorcery (post-Aug.): pariter utrasque artes effloruisse, medicinam [p. 1097] dico magicenque, Plin. 30, 1, 2, § 10; 30, 1, 2, § 7: magices factio, id. 30, 1, 2, § 11

Magia , ae, f., = mageia, the science of the MAGI, magic, sorcery mageia , hę, theology of the Magians, m. hę Zôroastrou Pl.Alc.1.122a .

Factio Music has always produced FACTIONS or SECTARIANS: factio , o-nis, f. [id.] II. (Acc. to facio, II. B.; lit., a taking part or SIDING with any one; hence concr.) A company of persons associated or acting together, a class, order, SECT, faction, party (syn.: pars, partes, causa, rebellio, perduellio, seditio). B. In partic., a company of political adherents or partisans, a party, side, faction


For the prophecy came not in OLD TIME by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 2 Pet 1:21

BUT there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you , who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that BOUGHT them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 Peter 2:1

Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. Jude 3

Paradidomi (g3860) par-ad-id'-o-mee; from 3844 and 1325; to surrender, i.e. yield up, intrust, transmit: - betray, bring forth, cast, commit, deliver (up), give (over, up), hazard, put in prison, recommend.

Prively means leads in aside, introduce surreptitiously. That means INFILTRATE and DIVERT.

The meaning of the GOSPEL is FREE WATER OF THE WORD. Jesus bought us all. Therefore, anyone who peddles the free Word and denies its power DENIES the Lord that bought them. The Postmodern "scholars" totally deny that the Lord Jesus Christ had the POWER to purchase them with a PRICE and a MESSAGE of good news which could survive OUR culture. The Biblical facts can be perverted but they cannot be HAMMERED out of the Bible. Paul and peter laid down the MARK: you can tell FALSE TEACHERS if they refuse to teach the word "as it has been taught." Any modern sermonizing opens the door for the false teachers to come in: trained as PROPHETS, CHANELLERS and FACILITATORS. You say, Whoa! This cannot be happening among OUR scholars. Sure, you just read any of the stuff and it is like a game to see who can pervert the Bible and history the most: the winner gets to be SCHOLAR OF THE YEAR and all of the little scholarettes WILL NOT get their degrees unless they join in the circle. Don't let them take you captive. Read the Word.

Rubel Shelly and John York: While we still have access to reading as individuals, we stop asking, "What does this mean to me?"--as though there is such an isolated meaning.

Instead we have a GROUP MENTALITY that asks, "What does this mean to US?"

In outline, the Group Mind theory is that

1. Interested or concerned telepaths co-operate and communicate, sharing knowledge and experience with each other and with people who are unaware of what is taking place.

2. A hidden struggle is taking place by telepaths against those telepathic minds who dominate and manipulate others or who wish to do so.

3. Telepathic group minds are formed and reformed in accordance with what the group mind is concerned with. A group mind may be concerned with what a person is doing and this is that individual's Personal Group Mind.

4. There is a telepathic continuum which spans the planet, of telepathic group minds in contact with other group minds who are in turn in contact with still other group minds out of reach of the first group mind, and so on around the planet.


Jung called the unconscious part of the human mind the 'Personal Unconscious' and, like Freud, considered it to be the cause of complexes. Jung apparently concluded that 'the personal unconscious is composed of complexes which function as sub-personalities and which 'personate' in dreams and fantasies.' {17}

These complexes he considered to be independently capable of influencing consciousness without our being aware of them, saying <2>:

'an active complex puts us momentarily under a state of duress, of compulsive thinking and acting, for which under certain conditions the only appropriate term would be the judicial concept of diminished responsibility ... They slip just the wrong word into one's mouth, they make one forget the name of the person one is about to introduce, ...'

'... in certain psychoses when the complexes get "loud" and appear as "voices" having a thoroughly personal character'

What Jung called 'personal unconscious' appears to consist of component entities with independent feelings or thoughts which play parts, which impersonate, in dreams and fantasies, and which behave as if they were personalities.

Jung also suggested that there existed something else which he called 'Collective Unconscious' which he supposed to be made up of what he called 'archetypes'. He considered archetypes to be some kind of primitive mental images inherited from our earliest ancestors, examples being predator, sexual, enemy and hero archetypes. Later he had to elaborate this model by including also archetypes of archetypes.

Jung recorded that he heard voices {26}. He seems to have left reality further and further behind as he submerged himself into the primitive and savagely barbarian, in superstition, and in the brutality and viciousness of darker ages of humankind. Into a dark world in which pre-historic beasts wander and inhuman viciousness and brutality are common.

He considered that such primitive mental images can tell us what we should do and that they have the capacity to initiate and control common characteristic behaviour of human beings, being common to all humanity.

According to Jung, a dreaming person communicates with the collective unconscious, speaking to what Jung apparently called 'the two-million-year-old' man in us all. <1>

When Jung refers to a 'collective unconscious', he is referring to what could be primitive urges and behaviour which human beings subdue and control, and which human beings need to subdue and control.

group mind

Group mind, the term, is frequently used to denote the collective conscious of a specific group of people such as a tribe, village, or town, and which is the accumulation of their essential beliefs.

Usually the group mind occurs within a certain location, so the thoughts, fears, hopes, and desires of the inhabitants form a SPHERE of ENERGY that attaches itself to that area. The group mind influences the residents by DISPOSING them to the nature of the thought form, or mind set. This is the way people share a basic commonality.

The energy of the group mind can attach itself to physical objects such as buildings, statues, rocks, bodies of water, and so forth. It is believed that rock, metal, and water can best conduct and store this type of energy. Also it is thought that in ancient times a group mind would center itself within a ring of standing stones, or menhirs. (see Megaliths) Psychics do not like going among menhirs at night because of their strange powers. Some psychical researchers believe that the builders of the standing stones may have permeated energy, some powerful enough to knock people down, within them.

Some occultists claim to be able to sense or READ the group mind, or the thoughts, of the ancient builders through the ability of psychometry. A.G.H.

In a study of schizophrenics:

These were 'attacks' made by schizophrenics, upon linking, and remarkably they resemble his earlier descriptions of the state of mind of a group dominated by basic assumptions. So, Bion moved, first speculatively (1952), and then on the basis of his clinical work with schizophrenic patients (1955), from an innatist explanation of basic assumptions to an explanation in terms of psychotic mechanisms. Group mentality is thus a psychotic mentality. It is a mentality become mindless.

ACU Carroll D. Osburn

Carroll D. Osburn: Such fundamentalist views on women in the church are primarily the result of reaction against cultural changes and only secondarily the result of biblical proof-texting. This, basically, is our legacy" (p. 17)

History shows that this began just outside of the garden of Eden where EVE became ZOE because she had been wholly seduced (Paul) as a bride is seduced before her husband gets a chance. Eve became the mediatrix and was and is worshipped in Gnosticism and Catholicism. So it probably isn't true that non-instrumental churches of Christ introduced all evils including bad breath. Such people have a problem with authority thought to begin with their mothers.

The ACU Agenda: Train Prophetic roles, Channelers and Facilitators the method of subverting the 'hierarchial" views of Jesus and Paul. the end-time subversion is the beginninng-time version which is "Feminist hermeneutics stands over against patriarchal hermeneutics" its goal achieved "by small, often unnoticed acts of SUBVERSION. Numerous such incremental changes, like EROSION, will eventually bring down the FORTRESS " ( WOMEN IN THE CHURCH: Reclaiming the Ideal p. 32).

The Purpose of War:

McCartney's pastor at the Boulder Valley Vineyard, Rev. James Ryle, whom McCartney says is the other major influence in his life, conducts a "prophetic" ministry and participates in conferences with men who claim to be prophets in the first-century sense of the term.

Ryle believes Promise Keepers, of which he is a board member, is the fulfillment of the Biblically prophesied end-time army described in the Book of Joel--

a terrifying army from which there is no escape.

"Promise Keepers urges men to form "accountability" groups of no more than five members, within which they are expected to submit all aspects of their lives to review and rebuke. Each member must answer any probes concerning his marriage, family, finances, sexuality, or business activity.


The word "music" has no place in the Bible from beginning to the end except as related to those, such as the Pharisees and Saducees who REWROTE Scripture "for their culture" in order to bleed the widows of their mites.

"CHARISMATIC HYMM - a chant or song composed in a special vibrational frequency so that its tone and rhythm stir the emotions of each member of the gathering;

music is played extremely loud and the words are repetitious;
puts congregation in an altered-state-of-consciousness
and encourages one to

talk-in-tongues and to

rise up
give prophecy
Rubel Shelly claims that the MUSICIANS can help "lead you into the presence of God." That, of course, replaces Jesus Christ the Holy Spirit.
"Singing served as a means of inducing ecstatic prophecy (speaking in tongues).
Thus the essential relationship between music and prophecy can be clearly seen.This relationship also explains why the expression for "making music" and "prophesying" was often identical in the ancient tongues. origen contra celsum 8.67.The Hebrew word Naba signifies not only "to prophesy" but also "to make music." (Quasten, Johannes, Music and Worship in Pagan and Christian Antiquity, p. 39)

The Corinthian women were susceptible to this because they were "just out of paganism" and because not a single person in Corinth had even the tiny Spiritual gift to solve their problems by making a decision:

"The Greeks sought the god's approval for any important decisions they had to make. They often went to the temple of Apollo at Delphi, where a priestess sat over a gas fissure in the volcanic rocks and

muttered unintelligible words of prophecy.
Other priests
interpreted her words, which were supposed to come from Apollo himself.

But the oracle usually gave people vague instructions that could mean almost anything--so that, no matter what happened, the priests could say she was right." (Sumrall, Lester, p. 75, Where was God when Pagan Religions Began, Thomas Nelson.)

In the book of Revelation Apollo is Abaddon or Apollyon. He comes to unleash the MUSICIANS or MUSES who were cast into the underworld as LOCUSTS or GRASSHOPPERS symbolic of musical performers.

-Strabo Geography [10.3.10] And on this account Plato, and even before his time the Pythagoreians, called philosophy music; and

they say that the universe is constituted in accordance with harmony,
assuming that every form of music is the work of the gods.
And in this sense, also, the Muses are goddesses,
and Apollo is leader of the Muses,
and poetry as a whole is laudatory of the gods.

And by the same course of reasoning they also attribute to music the upbuilding of morals, believing that everything which tends to correct the mind is close to the gods.

Now most of the Greeks assigned to Dionysus, Apollo, Hecate, the Muses (9 women team), and above all to Demeter, everything of an orgiastic or Bacchic or choral nature, as well as the mystic element in initiations; and they give the name "Iacchus" not only to Dionysus but also to the leader-in-chief of the mysteries, who is the genius of Demeter.

And branch-bearing, choral dancing, and initiations are common elements in the worship of these gods.
As for the
Muses and Apollo,
the Muses (female pastors) preside over the choruses,
Apollo presides both over these and the rites of divination.

But all educated men, and especially the musicians, are ministers of the Muses;

and both these and those who have to do with divination are ministers of Apollo;
and the
initiated and torch-bearers and hierophants, of Demeter; and the Sileni and Satyri and Bacchae, and also the Lenae and Thyiae and Mimallones and Naďdes and Nymphae and the beings called Tityri, of Dionysus.

So Judas came to the grove, guiding a detachment of soldiers and some officials from the chief priests and Pharisees. They were carrying torches, lanterns and weapons. Jn.18:3

The Greek hoplon can mean either an offensive weapon or an INSTRUMENT. In the same way, the Hebrew word Keliy is translated as both weapon and musical instrument.

In some cases the women were just filled up with air to an intoxicating level.

See how Rubel Shelly and John York claim that WORKING OUT their own salvation means that WE partner with God to rewrite a NARRATIVE to fit OUR culture. However, the context proves just the opposite.

The Promise Keepers SHEPHERDING

Shepherding-Discipling Max Lucado

Discipling by Lynn Anderson.

Rubel Shelly Whole Life Discipling

Jack Reese at ACU Apologizes to the (crossroads/boston movement/ International Church of Christ)

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