oneinjesus by Jay Guin defends the teachings of Al Maxey, Cecil Hook, Dallas Burdette, Edward Fudge, John Mark Hicks, Patrick Mead, Stoned-Campbell and Wineskins. These are the ones I have reviewed and they represent the latest crop of theologians. The motive is some kind of spooky agenda to denounce the Church of Christ which feeds them with the assertion that most of the false teachings are the product--of one major NACC author--of a southern, ignorant, rednecked mentality: all of the teachings are based on a legalistic, sectarian patternism. They even CLAIM that the Church invented the false teaching of TEACHING WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES AND NOT TEACHING WHAT THE BIBLE DOES NOT TEACH. Other products of this "decadent and deleterious" (rotten and destructive for we non Phds) includes teaching what Jesus commanded: that baptism is FOR or IN ORDER to the remission of sins.
Rev 7.12.09NEW 9.05.09 See the sad FALL FROM GRACE being PROMOTED before your listening ear.
NEW POST 10.19.09
IF YOU LOVE THE WORD YOU WILL KNOW THE MEANING OF THE CHURCH OF CHRIST.
Satan speaks ot the musical imposers through the Scribes of the Monarchy's King: they are called the "lying pen of the Scribes" and Jesus called them hypocrites by naming speakers, singers and instrument players. Their AUDIENCE is collected ONLY to be fleeced and entertained.
Christ speaks to the RIGHTEOUS thread through the Prophets and Apostles.
The method is to hold ekklesia or synagogue and teach only that which has been taught. This is repeated over and over and it takes lots of training to MISS it. Else, we are dealing with the "fallen stars" as John called the speakers, singers and instrument players who HAD deceived the whold world.
Peter MARKS as a false teacher likek the false prophets anyone who does not TEACH THAT WHICH HAS BEEN TAUGHT.
INCLUSIVE AND IDENTICAL TO THE SYNAGOGUE OR CHURCH IN THE WILDERNESS
2 Peter 3:1 This is now, beloved, the second letter that I have written to you; and in both of them
I stir up your sincere mind by reminding you;
[2] that you should
remember the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets,
and the commandments of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior:
INCLUSIVE OF THE SYNAGOGUE OF CHRIST.
2Pet. 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy;
whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, [the SOLE worship word]
as unto a light that shineth in a dark place,
until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
EXCLUSIVE OF ASSUMED SILENCE OR "FURTHER EXPOUNDED."
2Pet. 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
Further expounding means that NO ONE has any right to add to, subtract from or modify "that which is written."
If you think silence is permissive for the assembly of Christ as a school of the word you are marked.
WHY DOES CHRIST'S APOSTLE ISSUE THIS WARNING?
EXCLUSIVE AND IDENTICAL TO THE SYNAGOGUE OR CHURCH OF CHRIST IN THE WILDERNESS
[3] knowing this first, that in the last days mockers will come, [Magikos, magi]
walking after THEIR OWN lusts,
lust is the evil desire to DO something or longing (especially for what is forbidden)
Lordy, they will lie, cheat and steal in order to give YOU the authority to violate the old "'traditionalists" or even the Word of God. It is at a pitch fever and they are already "consuming themselves with the breath (spirit) of their own lips."
That INCLUDES the writings of the prophets and apostles.
2Pet. 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man:
but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. [Spirit OF Christ]
That EXCLUDES that which comes out of the human imagination which is only evil continually
Isaiah 30 and Jude pointing us to The Book of Enoch which has no recorded exception to the central message.
See Enoch
http://www.piney.com/ApocEnoch1.html
Jude 14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying,
Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jude 15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them
of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed,
and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Jude 16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts;
and their mouth speaketh great swelling words,
having men’s persons in admiration [lying wonders] because of advantage.
Jude 17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Jude 18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time,
who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Those FOR WHOM God comes in judgment is defined as Satan all all he/she/it can seduce into music in the face of Jesus Christ as an attempt to silence His Words.
G1703 empaiktēs emp-aheek-tace' From G1702 ; a derider, that is, (by implication) a false teacher:—mocker, scoffer.
Jude 19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
THE MUSICAL GROUP FORM A SECTARIAN DIVISION.
G592 apodiorizō ap-od-ee-or-id'-zo From G575 and a compound of G1223 and G3724 ;
to disjoin (by a boundary, figuratively a party):—separate.
This is the same mocking or PLAY which requested that God REMOVE His Grace and abandon them to worship the starry host: the HAVING FALLEN angels.
The PLAY words identify the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai for which God removed GRACE and forced the father-cursed tribe of LEVI to bear the burden of this CURSE and ABANDONMENT.
Empaig-ma , atos, to, A. jest, mocking, delusion, LXX Is.66.4; magikęs empaigmata technęs
prospaizô , 2. abs., sport, jest, 3. laugh at, make fun or sport of, sing to the gods, sing in their praise or honour, 2. banter, tous rhętoras
Pl.Epin.980b Plato Epinomis, or Nocturnal Council: Athenian
[980b] and honoring the gods, with high tribute of his hymns and affluence throughout the period of his own life.
Cleinias Speaking of the same pagan gods to whom God abandoned the Levi tribe
Well spoken, indeed, good sir. Yes, may you have this consummation of your laws,
after making fine sport in praising the gods and having passed a purer life, to find thereby the best and fairest end!
Athenian
Then how, Cleinias, do we state it? Do we honor the gods, think you, to the utmost with our hymns,
praying that we may be moved to speak the fairest and best things about them? Do you state it so, or how?[/color]
All ceremonial legalism is an abortive attempt to SILENCE the gods and is always a mark of people who repudiate the Word as authoratative for our school (onl) of the Bible (only). That is the sole purpose of the assembly as ekklesia or synagogue neither of which could MAKE UP their own resources.
Paig-ma , atos, to, A.play, sport, lôtoshotan . . paigmata bremęi whene'er the pipe sounds its sportive strains, E.Ba.161(lyr.); Ludia p. luras
# Empaizô , fut. - mock at, mock, tini
# 2. euphem. in mal. part., LXXJd. 19.25. [sexual]
3. Pass., to be deluded, Ev.Matt.2.16, AP10.56.2 (Pall.), Vett.Val.16.14; to be defrauded, of the revenues, Cod.Just.1.34.2.
II. sport in or on, hôs nebros chloerais e. leimakos hędonais E.Ba. 866 (lyr.); tois choroisin e. to sport in the dance, Ar.Th.975
We are SAVED by the life and teachings of Jesus Christ (only). We are REDEEMED by the Cross which was to repudiate, silence and burn up the sacrificial system which in all nations was an attempt to SILENCE their god's and replace their own.
Music derives from "mystery" which means "to silence the voice of the victim." In the case of Jesus it was to "make the Lamb dumb before the slaughter priest." In Greek systems the priest was the HERETIC which choose and lifted up the lamb to cut its throat. The musicians served the PRIESTS and not the gods by driving the animals into silent submission: they were called PARASITES.
THE CHURCH OF CHRIST IS A SYNAGOGUE AND NOT A PAGAN WORSHIP CENTER.
Why Church of Christ Clergy fall into fatal musical idolatry as at Mount Sinai.
Acts 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto usThe Church in the wilderness was:
H6951 qâhâl kaw-hawl From H6950 ; assemblage (usually concretely):—assembly, company, congregation, multitude.Stephen used the word:
G1577 ekklēsia ek-klay-see'-ah From a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564 ; a calling out, that is, (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both):—assembly, church.Therefore, the Qahal or synagogue has the same religious meaning as ekklesia (a civic meeting) or Church.
The Holy Convocation was inclusive of Rest, Reading and Rehearsing the Word: what you do in a school of the Bible.
The Qahal or Church of Christ existed in the wilderness and never changed until the Lord's Supper was added as an act of evangelism.Num. 10:2 Make thee two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly [h5712 Edah] , and for the journeying of the camps. [h4150 moed congregation]
Neh. 8:8 So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.
"Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent. Acts 13:26
For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him (Setting Him at Nought). Acts 13:27
Acts 13:15 And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on
Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day
2Cor. 3:14 But their minds were blinded:
for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away
in the reading of the old testament;
which vail is done away in Christ.
2Cor. 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
2Cor. 3:16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
2Cor. 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
2Cor. 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
2Pet. 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy;
whereunto ye do well that ye take heed,
as unto a light that shineth in a dark place,
until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
2Pet. 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture
is of any private interpretation.
1Tim. 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to [public] reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.
This is still a popular name for synagogues. The ekklesia Stephen used in Acts 7 is equivalent to Qahal or synagogue. This is also why most people cannot find the synagogue before the Return. The Holy Convocation which came to be every rest day was to READ and REHEARSE the Word of God. That never changed and was exampled by Jesus and commanded by the ekklesia word.
John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.Jesus showed up on the very next first day of the week to SYNAGOGUE. That might establish a pattern.
John 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
Matt. 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Acts 14:27 When they had arrived, and had gathered the assembly together, they reported all the things that God had done with them, and that he had opened a door of faith to the Gentiles.
Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
1Cor. 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, you being gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
1Cor. 5:5 are to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
Synagogue is a duplicated form:G4863 sunagō soon-ag'-o From G4862 and G71 ; to lead together, that is, collect or convene; specifically to entertain (hospitably):—+ accompany, assemble (selves, together), bestow, come together, gather (selves together, up, together), lead into, resort, take in.
G4864 sunagogē soon-ag-o-gay' From (the reduplicated form of) G4863 ; an assemblage of persons; specifically a Jewish “synagogue” (the meeting or the place); by analogy a Christian church:—assembly, congregation, synagogue.
1Cor. 11:18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.Come Together:
In the Church. The ekklesia was an assembly of mature citizens for DISCUSSION ONLY. The ekklesia is the name of the qualified group as well as the place as in Church house. The civil ekklesia met roughly weekly. It elected an elder as "contact man" for the year and paid some small fee in the Greek world. It had no function until the "next appointed hour." The contact elder in the church as ekklesia received mail, visitors and made sure that no need was not met.G4905 sunerchomai soon-er'-khom-ahee From G4862 and G2064 ; to convene, depart in company with, associate with, or (specifically) cohabit (conjugally):—accompany, assemble (with), come (together), come (company, go) with, resort
G1577 ekklēsia ek-klay-see'-ah From a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564 ; a calling out, that is, (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both):—assembly, church.
Heb. 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Ekklesia mistranslated as church was a civic body and we know what was inclusive and what was exclusive in great detailsG1997 episunagogē ep-ee-soon-ag-o-gay' From G1996 ; a complete collection; specifically a Christian meeting (for worship):—assembling (gathering) together
G1996 episunagō ep-ee-soon-ag'-o From G1909 and G4863 ; to collect upon the same place:—gather (together).
G4863 sunagō soon-ag'-o From G4862 and G71 ; to lead together, that is, collect or convene; specifically to entertain (hospitably):—+ accompany, assemble (selves, together), bestow, come together, gather (selves together, up, together), lead into, resort, take in.
James 2:1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.The synagogue was also a Greek Civic group used of the Hebrew assembly and we know absolutely what was inclusive and exclusive.
James 2:2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
James 2:2ASV, BBE, Darbey, YNG, For if there come into your synagogue a man with a gold ring, in fine clothing, and there come in also a poor man in vile clothing;
G4864 sunagōgē soon-ag-o-gay' From (the reduplicated form of) G4863 ; an assemblage of persons; specifically a Jewish “synagogue” (the meeting or the place); by analogy a Christian church:—assembly, congregation, synagogue.James 2:3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
James 2:4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
None of these were worship assemblies but for the reading and discussion (even debate) of "that which is written" always by a higher authority. It's sole function is to make known the manifold wisdom of God where the Lord's Supper is an act of evangelism.
That's why arguing the fine points of legalism proves that most of us missed the point and most have no intention of getting it.
There was never a "praise service" in the ekklesia or synagogue of Christ by direct command and minimal reverence for the sole role of reading and learning the Word of God.
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2 Chronicles 29 is used by many who would love to add music and musicians to worship. However, under the guidance of the NACC Rick Atchley preached that God commanded instrumental praise and we should not disobey. Apparently he is so convinced that he thanks that God hating sowers of discord does not apply to him.
Most preachers miss the fact that the Bible is a history of the Hebrew people: it is not a hostory of the universe nor is it a legalistic patternism for Christian worship. As such it has the same TWO THREADS as any other national history--inspired or otherwise.Edward Fudge GracEmail: Death of a Distinctive? For about 150 years there is been a death wish on those who will not begin to add instruments when they have never used instruments for these 2,000 years. As far as I can detect it was the Disciples of Christ who uncovered the word PSALLO in 1878 as the first effort to AUTHORIZE that which everyone had rejected. This word too has the primary meaning of MAKING WAR and in a secondary sense shooting real arrows or shooting out love arrows. There is another word which would have to be used to indicate singing and playing a harp: the bible never uses one of those.
The Civil-Military-Priestly thread was assigned to the tribe of Levi. But, Jacob warned us not to attend the assemblies of Levi.
The Spiritual Thread was commanded as the Qahal, synagogue or Church in the wilderness: since it was ordained by Christ it was The Church of Christ.
This was INCLUSIVE of REST, reading and rehearsing the word: it was Bible class only.
This was EXCLUSIVE of vocal or instrumental Rejoicing. This outlawed vocal and instrumental rejoicing was performed by the Levites as an old pagan cult in Egypt. Jacob could have warned you about that.
See John Calvin's writings.
The Civil-Military-Priestly thread offered all of the sacrifices for Judah and the remaining godly tribe without any instrumental noise.
Because Israel had been lost and refused to participate they offered BURNT OFFERINGS: only during this burning time did the Priests blow trumpets and the Levites played the instruments "ordained by David."
However, the Spiritual thread under Christ through Jeremiah reminds us of the obvious that God DID NOT COMMAND burnt offerings or sacrifices when the people had been "baptized" and had the Spirit pillar guiding them on safe ground. It is scholarly opinion that the Civil-Military-Priestly thread added this to try to eleminate HUMAN BURNT OFFERINGS to Molech. This human burnt offerings began as soon as Manasseh took contro.
Therefore, the PROOF text Rick AtchleY has let loose on a few others is a VIRTUAL human sacrifice.
Edward Fudge: Death of a Distinctive. Edward Fudge looks forward to the death of what he falsely calls a cappella which is called "congregational singing." He assumes that "they" will probably leave a few ignorant of the Bible and the "unity" principle to just keep singing without instruments. I don't know how to say it other than to say that these people have no trouble just lifting raw assertions from their bonded buddies and subconsciously or unconsciously lie about all of the Bible.If you make a claim that is false intending to deliberately slander and hurt people that is called a lie: John lumps speakers, singers and instrument players as liars then heaped up with "dogs" and liars who will go into the lake of fire. I think I understand why such people deny what the Bible teaches about hell.
Jay Guin and friends Endorse Danny Corbitts false teaching about the Bible and History on instruments. I have decided to back up to the beginning to show that the INSTRUMENT was God's universal MARK of those who had Profaned His REST DAY and were therefore TURNED OVER TO WORSHIP THE STARRY HOST. If Jay Guin sees the WORSHIP of the starry host as a PATTERNISM for the ekklesia, synagogue or school of the Bible then we can understand why the appeal to the church fathers. However, he is absolutely wrong and has not read the Church fathers. I have posted most of the MUSIC writings where they DO condemn David's abandonment to STAR WORSHIP by pointing to the common knowledge of pagan worship where music was to subdue the mind or spirit by creating the "spiritual anxiety through religious rituals" which was the laded burden SILENCED by Jesus along with the burden laders where all musicians including the sacrificial exorcists were called PARASITES.
REVIEW PART TWO: See on the Synagogue which began as the Church of Christ in the wilderness.Missing More than Music
REVIEW NUMBER THREE: Danny Corbitt beats up on Dr. Everett Ferguson on Psalmus.I. As evil type the Jews engaged in musical idolatry at Mount Sinai
A. As a remedy the tribe of Levi whom Jacob had warned about were abandoned to worship the starry host.
B. Christ ordained the Qahal, ekklesia, synagogue or church in the wilderness.II. As evil anti-type the Jews would treat the Son of God in the same way: this is prophesied in great detail to prove that they would attack him in the style of the perverted musical mockers.
A. The Prophecy of the perverse, musical attack against the Son.
B. As a remedy Jesus promised to build HIS ekklesia or synagogue. That continues the Synagogue which never had a "praise service" but was devoted to the Word of God--only. It would be empowered by His Spirit in His Word. Jesus patterned, Paul taught and commanded and the historic church was faithful for almost 400 years when singing as an ACT was added.
The stumbling stone is that almost no one sees church as a school of the Bible but as a "worship service" which is patterned on the fatal pattern of the tribe of Levi. That is why lost souls lust to live under the Law.
You need two words to PLAY the HARP. If you sing TO a harp you need a compound word: PsalmOidiaREVIEW NUMBER FOUR: The word psallo in the Septuagint was translated only to SING. If the psallo word is used in connection with an instrument then the instrument is named. Corbitt and all of those promoting discord take a snippet out of context and read it while ignoring the semicolon. Thayer interprets its list of how psallo was used and defines it as singing in the church just as it is usually translated in the Greek Old Testament if there is no instrument in the context.
Is. 23:15 And it shall come to pass in that day, that TyreYou need a COMPOUND word to sing and play an instrument. The Greek has and the spirit knew a separate compound word for each instrument. NONE OF THESE ARE USED IN THE BIBLE.
[the singing and playing prostitute in the garden of Eden]
shall be forgotten seventy years, according to the days of one king:
after the end of seventy years shall Tyre sing as an harlot.
What is the song of the prostitute?
Is. 23:16 Take an [1] harp, go about the city, thou harlot that hast been forgotten;
make sweet [2] melody, [3] sing many songs, that thou mayest be remembered.
Is. 23:17 And it shall come to pass after the end of seventy years, that the LORD will visit Tyre, and she shall turn to her hire, and shall commit fornication with all the kingdoms of the world upon the face of the earth.
Amos 5:23 Take thou away from me the noise of thy [1] songs; for I will not hear the [2] melody of thy [3] viols.: buy the book
Royce Ogle 5.14.09
Whatever method you emply to reach an unbiblical conclusion is faulty. The problem as I see it is more centered on the flawed men rather than a bad method.
If every coC preacher/elder really believed that becoming a child of God or staying in that relationship does not depend on good works“do” as Christians. We can never forget that many of these incorrect conclusions that have been reached over the years are “salvation issues” to many. there would not be such a focus on what we
Royce is well-travelled to be able to judge all of the preachers and elders in perhaps 18000 congregations. To anyone who honors Christ in Spirit who prophesied Baptism as God's way to CLEANSE us in Isaiah and Malachi; and who believes in the direct association Jesus etal made between baptism and the REMISSION OF SINS; and can find no historic exception, one MIGHT concluded that baptism FOR or in order to the remission sins means what the text says?
No reader of the Bible can fail to see that MUSIC is always Satan's way to prevent people from honoring the Words of God from Genesis to Revelation and including ALL of the historic scholars and founders of denominations could even HALLUCINATE that NOT beginning to use machines to do WORSHIP was not added by false conclusions.
Honoring Christ by wearing His name has the Bible and ALL historic scholarship to back it.
VOCAL OR INSTRUMENTAL REJOICING REPUDIATED BY THE BIBLE AND ALL LITERATE HISTORIC SCHOLARS.
True: but, a disciple of Christ who is a STUDENT of Christ through the Bible is not bound to REACH conclusions "beyond the sacred page." The direct command was to REST, Read the Word and Rehearse or discuss it in the Church in the wilderness. Nehemiah 8 describes exactly what is and what is NOT allowed for the synagogue or Church of Christ in the wilderness. h4744.Miqra
Neh. 8:17 And all the congregation of them that were come again out of the captivity made booths,
and sat under the booths: for since the days of Jeshua the son of Nun
unto that day had not the children of Israel done so. And there was very great gladness.
This is the same Qahal, synagogue or church in the wilderness: the Holy Convocation included Rest, Reading and meditating on the Word. It EXCLUDED both vocal and instrumental rejoicing. This was the Law of Moses ANTITITHICAL to the Sacrificial system: God never changed that.
6951. Qahal kaw-hawl´; from 6950; assemblage (usually concretely):—assembly, company, congregation, multitude.
This was the national assembly for everyone: people always assembled in their local synagogues where.
Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city
them that preach him,
being read in the synagogues
every sabbath dayNoticed that the SOLEMN ASSEMBLIES or HOLY CONVOCATIONS were held on the FIRST and EIGHT days.
Neh. 8:18 Also day by day, from the first day unto the last day, he read in the book of the law of God.
And they kept the feast seven days; and on the eighth day was a solemn assembly,
according unto the manner.
Solemn is h1902 is to indicate solemnity of movement, meditation, solemn sound. from 1897: ponder, imagine, meditate, study, talk, utter 1900 musing, meditation, ponder, study
Assembly: Inclose, hold back, maintain, rule, keep self close, restrain.
ON THE OTHER HAND THE CIVIL-MILITARY-PRIESTLY COMPLEX WAS NOT WHERE PEOPLE WORSHIPPED
NEHEMIAH DEFINED THE CURSE OF THE LAW SO THAT ALL OF THOSE NOT DOING SYNAGOGUE WERE PARASITES.
YOU WOULD NEED A DIRECT COMMAND, EXAMPLE OR INFERENCE TO BEGIN USING "MACHINES FOR DOING HARD WORK" AND THERE IS NO SUCH LAW. FURTHERMORE, TO ANY READER OF THE BIBLE GOD AND ALL OF THE HISTORIC SCHOLARSHIP HAS NOT BEEN SILENT.Behold, we are servants this day, [and so are you]
and for the land that thou gavest unto our fathers to eat the fruit thereof and the good thereof,
behold, we are servants in it: Neh 9:36And it yieldeth
They have sown wheat, but shall reap thorns:
much increase unto the kings whom thou hast set over us
because of our sins:
also they have dominion over our bodies, and over our cattle,
at their pleasure,
and we are in great distress. Neh 9:37
they have put themselves to pain, but shall not profit:
and they shall be ashamed of your revenues
because of the fierce anger of the Lord. Je.12:13
Royce Ogle applauds Jay Guin who applauds Edward Fudge for setting the Church of Christ straight on FELLOWSHIP and instrumental music by appealing to Carl Ketcherside. However, they misrepresent a dead man. Carl made it perfectly clear that it was the instrumentalists who deliberately sowed discord. While Carl would not pass judgment on them he would NOT join one of their churches and fellowship instrumental music. While Carl seems even kinder than Jesus or Paul his description of what the instrumentalists have done and TRIED to force everyone to do would seem to be without redemption:
- The employment of instrumental music in the public worship of God introduces an element unauthorized by our King, and therefore, constitutes P, which is condemned by the Holy Spirit.
- The use of instrumental music in public praise service is actually ritualism, and to that extent, is a departure from the simplicity which should characterize those who profess to be followers of the meek and lowly one.
Paul in Colossians 2 would make that a sin without redemption.
Col 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
Col 2:19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
Vincent: In a voluntary humility (qelwn en tapeinofrosunh). Render delighting in humility. This rendering is well supported by Septuagint usage. See 1 Sam. xviii. 22; 2 Sam. xv. 26; 1 Kings x. 9; 2 Chronicles ix. 8. 200 It falls in, in the regular participial series, with the other declarations as to the vain conceit of the teachers; signifying not their purpose or their wish to deprive the Christians of their reward, but their vain enthusiasm for their false doctrine, and their conceited self-complacency which prompted them to sit as judges. The worship of angels involved a show of humility, an affectation of superior reverence for God, as shown in the reluctance to attempt to approach God otherwise than indirectly: in its assumption that humanity, debased by the contact with matter, must reach after God through successive grades of intermediate beings. For humility, see on Matt. xi. 29.
Worship of angels (qrhskeia). See on religious, Jas. i. 26. Defining the direction which their humility assumed. The usage of the Septuagint and of the New Testament limits the meaning to the external aspects of worship. Compare Acts xxvi. 5; Jas. i. 27.Paul is specificially pointing to those who would use DAVID as their authority for music:
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers,
he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink,
or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ
Royce Ogle Romans 4 and many, many other passages stand in stark condridiction to what most coC folks teach.
Because the Baptist Calvinists are identified as a "distinctly American Gnostic religion with no connection to the historic church" Harold Bloom, we know that BELIEVER'S BAPTISM is because your sins have already been washed way. This is the ancient pagan view of Apollo, Abbadon or Apollyon who was the father of musical harmony, the subject of many of the psallo or plucking passages, the father of homosexual worship and of thieves and liars taught (as did Nimrod) that "morals could be regenerated by external means." Therefore, the charismatic or sexual arousal created by religious ritualism was the PROOF that people had been WASHED and baptism was just to PROVE it. Click for Pagan Believer's baptism.
Royce Ogle therefore reads BITS of Romans 4 but if he looked where Paul pointed he would see that God does not IMPUTE righteousness based on THE LAW OF MOSES but He DOES impute righteousness only to those who obey His commands and walk according to His laws.
CLICK FOR ROMANS 4. and Paul pointing to the FALL FROM GRACE in chapter 1 at Mount Sinai BECAUSE of musical idolatry of the always-pagan trinity.
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Jay Guin: Lessons on Grace: Scruples, Romans 14
The use of Romans 14 speaking of the practices in the MARKETPLACE and limited ONLY to DIET and HOLIDAYS is used to DEFEND the use of Instrumental Music in the synagogue or church. He also defines the STRONG as those SECTS which have NOTHING of private opinion to TRUMP the Word of God. The WEAK are they whiners who PLEAD that the instrumentalists should give up INSTRUMENTS because the FAITHFUL are so miserably weak. Jay and others has INVERTED Romans 14-15 which OUTLAWED private opininions in the assembly and SPECIFICIALL outlaws all of the PERFORMING ARTS: not even simple Billy Bob needs a LAW to be quiet when Jesus comes to be out ONLY teacher through the word.
Jay Guin and the gang of about a dozen defends the use of instrumental music and defines The Church of Christ's practice for 2,000 years apparently worthy of--in the words of Dwayne E. Dunning SUBJECTS of "taking an axe to." Nothing could be more destructive and judmental than the use of the Greek word PSALLO to claim that God commands that we use instruments. Jay appeals to the simple Lexicon and his Phd friends to define Psalmos. I have collected most of the out of context passages here.
Lynn Anderson on the Word Psallo or Psalmos Number One.
Lynn Anderson on the Word Psallo or Psalmos Number Two.
Click for what I believe is the collected list (not in order) of those passages used by Lynn Anderson and family to fool the Oak Hills into adopting Max Lucado's IMAGE to remove Christ from their confession and ADD instrumental music so the female misleaders can perform.
This will be HOMEPAGE for some of the teachings I believe prove that Biblical Scholarship fits the patternism of Jesus who said that "doctors of the Law take away the key to knowledge." He marked the Scribes and Pharasees as hypocrites by pointing to Isaiah and Ezekiel who lists "slick speakers, singers and instrument players." All of the Greek culture identified the performing arts as that of the HYPOCRITES and John etal even called them sorcerers.
Scruples http://oneinjesus.info/2008/03/24/in-response-to-an-email-re-instrumental-music/
Tom Olbricht wrote an important book about the history of interpretation in the COC. He concluded that the COC gets its hermeneutic directly from Zwingli. Zwingli was good about binding the silence of Scripture, as well as drowning Anabaptists!
As a matter of factual fact (we must all tell the truth) the Disciples claim that they invented the LAW OF SILENCE. They had the authority to use their own opinion after which it became the will of God.
See H. Leo Boles, grandson of John Smith for proof.
The Bible and all historic Scholars were simply SPIRITUAL enough to honor the Word of God. Click to see how easy it is to lie when you don't consult the original text such as the Bible
Olbricht wrote a lot of things which were not based on the REAL people like Luther and Zwingli: I have reviewed his review of the Declaration and Address and where he rawly asserts something to make his point, but I have quoted the CONTEXT and linked to the real people.
You may click here to understand that because Jesus warned that "doctors of the Law take way the key to knowledge" you can READ and see that MARK to warn you NOT to be deluded. Not only do the MISuse the Bible and most of recorded history but actually INVERT them to fit a previous INVERTED set of RULES for the Bible but not for what they write.
You have to grasp that the historic group calling itself The Church of Christ including the Apostolic Constitutions knew of no MUSICAL authority (c. 205) nor did any historic church go so legalistic that they did not grasp that you need no legalism if you grasp point 101aaa: that the people assembled ONLY as a school of the Bible. The constitutions saw musicians as they were universally understood and they could NOT be part of the Church of Christ wiithout a lot of teaching and repenting.
The Catholics did not do MUSIC but chanted or cantillated as did the Jews and as Paul commanded using the word SPEAK. While a church council OUTLAWED self composed songs which were for private use only, the new Gregory chants were adopted from the Egyptians as the Israelites brought the same practice out of Egypt. That “ran the gamut” which was the worship of “Gamut.”
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Hislop notes that Now the name of Linus or Osiris, as the "husband of his mother," in Egypt, was Kamut (BUNSEN). When Gregory the Great introduced into the Church of Rome what are now called the Gregorian Chants,
he got them from the Chaldean mysteries, which had long been established in Rome;
for the Roman Catholic priest, Eustace, admits that these chants were largely composed of "Lydian and Phrygian tunes" (Classical Tour), Lydia and Phrygia being among the chief seats in later times of those mysteries, of which the Egyptian mysteries were only a branch. (i.e. Barbarians)
These tunes were sacred–the music of the great god, and in introducing them Gregory introduced the music of Kamut. And thus, to all appearance, has it come to pass, that the name of Osiris or Kamut, “the husband of the mother,”
is in every-day use among ourselves as the name of the musical scale; for what is the melody of Osiris, consisting of the “seven vowels” formed into a hymn, but–the Gamut?
This was the PLAY or MUSICAL IDOLATRY at Mount Sinai
This defines the Child in Assyria: it is important that the REASON Hell was created was for Lucifer or Satan and all SHE could seduce with wind, string and percussion instruments. In Isaiah 30 the MARKS of God driving His enemies into strong delusions with "lying wondlers" was all of the musical arts and crafts. Click for Isaiah 30 and the GOD of the musical deceivers.
While the diverted Reformation claims that they restored congregational singing they knew very well that no one had ever performed a WORSHIP RITUAL using congregational singing with the organ to accompany it: the 1911 Catholic Encyclopedia still outlawed it.
The PEOPLE who had attended the Cathedrals for PERFORMANCES wanted the PSALMS-ONLY put to music. Men like Calvin slowly agreed but the PROOF which will stand up in the COURTS of heaven is that they understood the commands to “use that which is written” and “psalms, hymns and spiritual songs” were FORMS of the book of Psalms, to mean ONLY the Biblical text. The proof that no one practiced congregational singing of the authorized Biblical text lies in the fact that the SPIRITUAL WORD is without METER (as the word most often means). Therefore, the Psalms–only–had to be radically RECOMPOSED to make the ACT of singing remotely POSSIBLE. At that time no one thought of singing the prose which was always CANTILLATED which is NOT musical.
Alexander Campbell fell radically from the Presbyterians undoubtedly because he had a SONG BOOK to sell while he repudiated paying young men for writing and delivering sermons.
Therefore, Zwingli objected to the ritualistic ACT of singing because it had no Biblical authority, violated the purpose of teaching, and had no CASE LAW to authorize it. Therefore, Zwingli was faithful to the historic grasp of church being SCHOOL and it was a reluctant Calvin who bowed to the popular practices still disturbing the WORSHIP TIME in the cathedrals now OWNED by the State and used by everyone.
No discording “scholar” from the once-Christian colleges ever quotes from the SOURCES or “cherry picks” them: I doubt that you could get an advanced degree (about 212 F) without quoting the previous “scholarly” works.
Zwingl did not INTRODUCE any new “hermeneutic” (derived from Hermes who is the declared LOGOS of the changelings) but refused to CONFORM to the radical departures of the Restoration. However, NONE of them failed to grasp the mark of the INSTRUMENTS.
Hermaęneuô [hermęneus]
I. to interpret foreign tongues,
II. to interpret, put into words, give utterance to, Thuc., etc.
2. to explain,The Private Interpretation OUTLAWS the word.
Hermęs Hermes, the Lat. Mercurius, son of Maia and Zeus; messenger of the gods (diaktoros); giver of good luck (eriounios, akakęta ); god of all secret dealings, cunning, and stratagem (dolios); bearing a golden rod (chrusorrapis ); conductor of defunct spirits (psuchopompos, pompaios ); tutelary god of all arts, of traffic, markets, roads (agoraios, empolaios, hodios, enodios ), and of heralds. His bust, mounted on a four-cornered pillar, was used to mark boundaries. –Proverb., koinos Hermęs shares in your luck! [And your body] Theophr.: cf. hermaion
That is why Jesus consigned the Pipers, Singers and Dancers to the Agora or Marketplace and why “corrupting the Word” means “selling learning at RETAIL.
And the god of the MARKETPLACE where Jesus consigned all of the pipers, singers and dancers.
When you see Jochin and Boaz or a church steeple it is a HERMES: a pillar often with a red head of Hermes on top: the symbol and the WORD has an affect image in the words of Joseph Campbell. Watch out.
He is Jubal and family in the Bible and Ea and Genun in the Babylonian tablets.
The ROD is that which Jesus forbade the disciples to take with them as preachers. Otherwise, the rod of Hermes would make people believe that a god had arrived. You will probably find some clothing style or speech patterns which exudes sanctity.
dolios adj1 ad crafty, deceitful, treacherous, Od., Trag.
psuchopompos 1 conductor of souls, of Charon, Eur.
pompaios 1 [pompę]I. escorting, conveying, ouros a fair wind [winds of change]
oros 1 a mountain, hill, Hom., etc.; pl. ourea, id=Hom.
II. of Hermes, who escorted the souls of the dead,
Word with similar meaning
Diglôssos , Att. di-ttos , on, speaking two languages,, diglôssos, ho, interpreter,
II. double-tongued, deceitful, LXXSi.5.9, al.
Hupophętęs , ou, ho, ( [phęmi] ) suggester, interpreter, expounder, esp. of the divine will or judgement, e.g. priest who declares an oracle, Il.16.235; Mousaôn [Rev 18:22] hupophętai, i.e. poets,
The musical mistresses are MUSES and they and their male counterpart claim that their songs and delivery are inspired and can CONDUCT YOUR SOUL into the presence of God.
Carl Ketcherside twisted with no one to correct.
Unity in Diversity by Jay Guin who thanks Edward Fudge for some misinformation.
What the new ANTIism misses when they appeal to Carl Ketcherside was that he was violently opposed to both INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC and the LOCATED PREACHER. Because Carl was a free agent and did not beg from widows to eat, he could "fellowship" anyone whatever SINFUL practice they introduced.
Ketcherside.Incendiary.Instruments.htmlAs usual, Carl was taking his AXE against the JOURNALS who always stirred up the fires. Ketcherside wrote more on Instrumental music and since Jay Guin is using him to defend INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC I think his "jury will all be hung" like Judas whose bag was "for carrying the mouthpieces of wind instruments.
Excellent! The so called “brotherhood” gave him hell for telling the truth but he did tell it as long as he was able. Thank God for such men of courage.
Today, I think there are many men who think just as Ketcherside did but don’t have the guts to voice it for fear of being “disfellowshiped” or making an elder, or some indluencial member angry.
I think when we just go along to get along we are akin to someone who helps to enable the bad habit of a family member. All of us should tell the truth by speaking the truth in love.
The TRUTH is that there are several passages that prove that HELL was prepared to burn the deceivers and all who could be deceived by the instruments as the MARK of the beasts people.
I will post some more TRUE Ketcherside who wrote:
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- Instrumental music in the corporate worship stands athwart our path in the attempt to promote the unity of all believers in the Christ. The most memorable address I ever heard on the topic was delivered at the graduation exercises of the Presbyterian College in Belfast, Ireland, in 1951. The reverend doctor spoke on "Instrumental Music in Public Worship Is a Sin." I have read more than a score of books on the subject by scholarly men not connected with the movement which grew out of the restoration effort launched by Thomas and Alexander Campbell. These were all vehement in their opposition. Our plea will be nullified in many areas if some persist in use of the instrument. Dare we love that which is not essential more than we do the souls of men?
- The introduction of the instrument created division. Whether those who introduced it, those who opposed it, or both, were to blame for the division which resulted is not now the question. Before it was brought in, brethren worshiped and did so acceptably as all admit, and such worship was unified; after it was introduced division came as a result. Regardless of whether worship was thus polluted or corrupted as some charge, we can return to our original status and be acceptable and be together if there are no other barriers. It is hardly conceivable that a division can be healed unless we return to the source and remove the original cause.
- A genuine restoration, complete in details, of the primitive pattern of public worship will find the instrument excluded from use. It is our conviction that no one can show that it was employed in the congregations planted by the apostles, and this conviction has been reached after careful examination of all available material on the subject.
- The employment of instrumental music in the public worship of God introduces an element unauthorized by our King, and therefore, constitutes will worship, which is condemned by the Holy Spirit.
- The use of instrumental music in public praise service is actually ritualism, and to that extent, is a departure from the simplicity which should characterize those who profess to be followers of the meek and lowly one.
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