Jay Guin Reviews #1

Testimony I: oneinjesus by Jay Guin defends the teachings of Al Maxey, Cecil Hook, Dallas Burdette, Edward Fudge, John Mark Hicks, Patrick Mead, Stoned-Campbell and Wineskins. These are the ones I have reviewed and they represent the latest crop of theologians. The motive is some kind of spooky agenda to denounce the Church of Christ which feeds them with the assertion that most of the false teachings are the product--of one major NACC author--of a southern, ignorant, rednecked mentality: all of the teachings are based on a legalistic, sectarian patternism. They even CLAIM that the Church invented the false teaching of TEACHING WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES AND NOT TEACHING WHAT THE BIBLE DOES NOT TEACH.  Other products of this "decadent and deleterious" (rotten and destructive for we non Phds) includes teaching what Jesus commanded: that baptism is FOR or IN ORDER to the remission of sins.

New. Jay Quin guest editor on New Wineskins
New Wineskins Instrumental Music by Jay Guin: the series.
Part Two: using Galatians to authorize imposing instruments
Part Three: using the Kingdom to Authorize instrumental music.

REVISED 10.16.10
Review: Danny Corbitt: Missing More than Music
Review: On the word Psalmos
Review: Danny Corbitt Denying Justin Martyr
Matt Dabbs--Danny Corbitt Ripening Issues

10.13.10 Jay Quin attack on Gordon Ferguson attacked by Danny Corbitt

DON'T LET ELDERS TURNED WOLVES and doctors of thelaw DRAG YOU OFF INTO THE BUSHES WITH LIES. Psallo never meand "play-a-harp."  The Holy Spirit knew a dozen words to tell us to play a harp but did not. That is because all instrument playing was marked as witchcraft or sorcery of evil men and women trying to pick your pockets.








,A. charm by flute-playing, tinos Pl.Lg.790e, cf. R.411a; tina Alciphr.2.1: metaph., se . . -ēsō phobō I will flute to you on a ghastly flute, E.HF871 (troch.):—Pass., of persons, methuōn kai katauloumenos drinking wine to the strains of the flute, Pl.R.561c; k. pros khelōnidos psophon to be played to on the flute with lyre accompaniment,  
2. make a place sound with flute-playing, Thphr.Fr.87:— Pass., resound with flute-playing, “nēsos katēuleitoPlu.Ant.56.
II. in Pass., [ton monokhordon kanona parekhein tais aisthēsesi . . katauloumenon subdued by a flute accompaniment,   to be piped down, ridiculed,gelōmenoi kai -oumenoi”  
III. c. acc. rei, play on the flute, “ta mētrōa  , to have played to one as an accompaniment on the flute, -“oumenoi pros tōn hepomenōn ta mētrōa melē
Eph. 5:18 And be not drunk  [methuōn] with wine, wherein is excess;
        but be filled with the Spirit; (The Word of Christ Col 3:16; John 6:63)
Eph. 5:19 Speaking to yourselves
                    \ in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs,
                             \ singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
Eph. 5:20 Giving thanks [praying] always for all things unto God and the Father
         in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Hymns are prayers: you cannot be worshiping God if you are getting eraptured over the boy and girl singers always a mark of gender confusion by the leaders.

Epi-psallō ,
A. play the lyre, S.Fr.60, Poll.4.58(Pass.); “melesi kai rhuthmois” 
tous humnousLXX 2 Ma.1.30:—30 - Then the priests sang the hymns.
Psallo means to pluck and make a sound: it does not include either melody or rhythm.

Katapsallō ,
A. play stringed instruments to, [“sumposion kataulein kai k.” Pass., have music played to one, enjoy music, ib.785e; of places, resound with music, Id.Ant.56.
2. Pass., to be buried to the sound of music, Procop.Pers.2.23.
3. metaph., katapsalletai . . ho dēmiourgos is drummed out, Porph.

Hab. 2:19 Woe unto him that saith to the wood, Awake; to the dumb stone, Arise, it shall teach! Behold, it is laid over with gold and silver, and there is no breath at all in the midst of it.
Hab. 2:20 But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him.

8.27.10  Lipscomb was the nest which fledged rank polytheism: The fact is that most "scholars" look up verses in a lexicon and then list the reference when the context proves the claim of Jesus that "Doctors of the Law take away the key to knowledge." 
John Mark Hicks: Rules replaced by Spiritism?
The Grace - Spirit Harding patternism
8.27.10 Holy Spirit Presence of the Coming Age.

Wayne Jackson: teaching worship of the Holy Spirit.
7.12.10 Christ and CENI 1091

Is. 8:19 And when they shall say unto you,
        Seek unto them that have familiar spirits,
        and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter:
        should not a people seek unto their God?
        for the living to the dead?

Isaiah 8.[19
] et cum dixerint ad vos quaerite a pythonibus et a divinis qui stridunt in incantationibus suis numquid non populus a Deo suo requirit pro vivis a mortuis

In-canto  is the meaning of a Laded Burden meaning to create spiritual anxiety.
I. To sing in, To say over, mutter, or chant a magic formula against some one: Plin. 28, 2, 4, § 17.

Incantātĭo ,  
I. an enchanting, enchantment (post-class.): “magicae, Firm. Math. 5, 5: incantationum vires,” 
Măgĭcus , a, um, adj., = magikos,
I. of or belonging to magic, magic, magical (poet. and in post-Aug. prose): artes, Verg. A. 4, 493: “magicis auxiliis uti,Tib. 1, 8, 24: “arma movere,Ov. M. 5, 197: superstitiones,Tac. A. 12, 59: “vanitates,Plin. 30, 1, 1, § 1: “herbae,id. 24, 17, 99, § 156: “aquae,Prop. 4, 1, 102 (5, 1, 106): di magici, that were invoked by incantations (as Pluto, Hecate, Proserpine), Tib. 1, 2, 62; Luc. 6, 577: “linguae,” i. e. hieroglyphics, id. 3, 222; “but lingua,skilled in incantations, Ov. M. 7, 330; Luc. 3, 224: “cantus,Juv. 6, 610: “magicae resonant ubi Memnone chordae,”  

Of Phythagoras, the KOSMOS: Jesus will not pray for them. Paul silenced them in Romans 14.

Măgĭcē , ēs, f., = magikē (sc. tekhnē), [singers, instrument players, religious craftsmen]
I. the magic art, magic, sorcery (post-Aug.): pariter utrasque artes effloruisse, medicinam dico magicenque, Plin. 30, 1, 2, § 10; 30, 1, 2, § 7: “magices factio,id. 30, 1, 2, § 11.

Rev. 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
Rev. 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman [tekhnē], of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
Rev. 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee;
        and the voice of the bridegroom
        and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee:
        for thy merchants were the great men of the earth;
        for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
Rev. 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth

Nympha a bride, mistress, goddess, the Muses

I let my business wait upon their sport.
So they began to sing, voice answering voice
in strains alternate--for alternate strains
the Muses then were minded to recall-- [Muses, musicians Revelation 18:22, dirty girls]
first Corydon, then Thyrsis in reply.
Libethrian Nymphs, who are my heart's delight,
grant me, as doth my Codrus, so to sing--
next to Apollo he--or if to this [Abaddon, Apollyon]
we may not all attain, my tuneful pipe
here on this sacred pine shall silent hang.”

The brides or nymps sat on many waters.


Numphai), the name of a numerous class of inferior female divinities, though they are designated by the title of Olympian, are called to meetings of the gods in Olympus, and described as the daughters of Zeus. But they were believed to dwell on earth in groves, on the summits of mountains, in rivers, streams, glens, and grottoes.
Christ has PreEmptied:

Is. 8:20 To the law and to the testimony:
        if they speak not according to this word,
        it is because there is no light in them.
1Pet. 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow

Rev. 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
6.27.10 The meaning of PSALMUS and PSALLO as the instruments of RECRUCIFYING CHRIST.

Fact: there is no music connected with the Church in the wilderness and onward. The Bible is filled with associating musical instruments with Satan, warriors creating panic, sacrificial exorcists, witchcraft, prostitutes and sodomites in a religious sense.

All historic scholars repudiate the idea that "music" has any rational in the church based on its definition of ekklesia or synagogue.  They all see music as creating a mental state called ecastasy or madness created by usually priestesses in order to pick the "worshiper's" pocket. And yet, at just the right time, there is a giant outburst of what all history would call demonizing: lying to God and About God to make a place for their musician friends who steal bear the eternal stigmata especially of males playing and singing.

The very words--apparently off limits to the grandest Greek educators--MARK music in sight and sound which should and does cause masses to abandon their own church homes obeying the direct command to "not look back."

Psalmus , i, m., = psalmos, i. q. psalma,
I. a psalm (eccl. Lat.; cf.: “carmen, hymnus),Tert. adv. Prax. 11; Lact. 4, 8, 14; 4, 12, 7; Vulg. Isa. 38, 20.—Esp., the Psalms of David, Vulg. Luc. 20, 42; id. Act. 13, 33 et saep.
I. a tune, song; poem, verse; an oracular response, a prophecy; a form of incantation (cf.: cano, cantus, and canto).
I. In gen., a tune, song, air, lay, strain, note, sound, both vocal and instrumental (mostly poet.; in prose, instead of it, cantus; Singing for Apollo, Abaddon, Apollyon, Lucifer.

Ov. Met. 5.74
And O, Iapetides not for this
did you attend the feast! Your voice attuned
melodious to the harp, was in request
to celebrate the wedding-day with song,—
a work of peace; as you did stand aside,
holding the peaceful plectrum in your hand,
the mocking Pettalus in ridicule said,

“Go sing your ditties to the Stygian shades.”
And, mocking thus, he drove his pointed sword
in your right temple. As your limbs gave way,
your dying fingers swept the tuneful strings:
and falling you did chant a mournful dirge.—
You to avenge enraged Lycormas tore
a huge bar from the door-post, on the right,
and dashing it against the mocker crushed
his neck-bones: as a slaughtered bullock falls—
he tumbled to the ground.

Ov. Met. 11.266
There Ceyx, who had the fine countenance
of Lucifer his father, reigned as king,
without the cost of violence or blood.
Before this time his days had always given
him joy and comfort, but all now was changed,
for he was mourning a loved brother's death.

“But Phoebus' child, for Chione bore twins,
was named Philammon, like his sire, well known.
To all men for the beauty of his song.
And famous for his handling of the lyre.

Psallo ,  in eccl. Lat., to sing the Psalms of David, Hier. Ep. 107, 10; Aug. in Psa. 46; 65; Vulg. 1 Cor. 14, 15 . 

In the Secular World:
I. In gen., to play upon a stringed instrument; esp., to play upon the cithara, to sing to the cithara: “psallere saltare elegantius, Sall. C. 25, 2

Sal. Cat. 25 In the number of those ladies was Sempronia, a woman who had committed many crimes with the spirit of a man. In birth and beauty, in her husband and her children, she was extremely fortunate; she was skilled in Greek and Roman literature; she could sing, play, and dance, * with greater elegance than became a woman of virtue, and possessed many other accomplishments that tend to excite the passions. But nothing was ever less valued by her than honor or chastity. Whether she was more prodigal of her money or her reputation, it would have been difficult to decide. Her desires were so ardent that she oftener made advances to the other sex than waited for solicitation. She had frequently, before this period, forfeited her word, forsworn debts, been privy to murder, and hurried into the utmost excesses by her extravagance and poverty. But her abilities were by no means despicable; she could compose verses, jest, and join in conversation either modest, tender, or licentious. In a word, she was distinguished4 by much refinement of wit, and much grace of expression.

* Sing, play, and dance] “Psallere, saltare.” As psallo signifies both to play on a musical instrument, and to sing to it while playing, I have thought it necessary to give both senses in the translation.

Elego I. to convey away (from the family) by bequest, to bequeath away, Petr. 43, 5; Gai. Inst. 2, 215.
The meaning of the Cross:
G4717 stauroō stow-ro'-o From G4716 ; to impale on the cross;   
        figuratively to extinguish (subdue) passion or selfishness:—crucify.

How to recrucify Jesus Christ:
Here is what an agitator does nothing its connection to "crucify."
Anastatoo (g387) an-as-tat-o'-o; from a der. of 450 (in the sense of removal); prop. to drive out of home, i.e. (by impl.) to disturb (lit. or fig.): - trouble, turn upside down, make an uproar, to stir up, excite, unsettle to excite tumults and seditions in the state to upset, unsettle, minds by disseminating religious error.

Chrysostom's Commentary on Galatians:

Galatians 5:1.-"With freedom did Christ set us free; stand fast therefore.115 ." Ver. 12.

"I would that they which unsettle you would even cut themselves off." And he says well "that unsettle you."

"A man that is heretical after the first and second admonition refuse." (Tit. iii: 10) If they will, let them not only be circumcised, but mutilated.

Where then are those who dare to mutilate themselves; seeing that they draw down the Apostolic curse, and accuse the workmanship of God, and take part with the Manichees

But if you will not allow this, why do you not mutilate the tongue for blasphemy, the hands for rapine, the feet for their evil courses, in short, the whole body?

For the ear enchanted by the sound of a flute hath often enervated the soul;

and the perception of a sweet perfume by the nostrils hath bewitched the mind, and made it frantic for pleasure.

Lego  A. In gen.: “oleam, The sweet smell of an offering.
1. To take out, pick out, extract, remove:  2. To pluck, strip, gather fruit from (a tree, etc.): “oleam qui legerit,Cato, R. R. 144, 1: “ficus non erat apta legi,
5. To take to one's self unjustly, to carry off, steal, purloin, plunder, soceros legere et gremiis abducere pactas,Verg. A. 10, 79

Abducto 3. To carry away forcibly, to raxish, rob: “ad quem iste deduxerat Tertiam, Isidori mimi flliam, vi abductam ab Rhodio tibicine,

Vergil Aeneid commentary [6.645] Orpheus was one of the mythical fathers of song, and his name was associated with revelations about the lower world, supposed to be preserved by secret societies (Dict. M. Orpheus), so that he is naturally made the harper who plays while the blessed spirits dance and sing. He is called ‘sacerdos,’ as in Hor. A. P. 391 he is called “sacer interpresque deorum.” The long robe was characteristic of musicians, as Cerda shows, comp. Prop. 3. 23. 16, “Pythius in longa carmina veste sonat” (of the statue of Apollo in the Palatine temple), and also Hor. A. P. 215, Ov. F. 6. 654, 688, where the long robes of the ‘tibicines’ are mentioned and accounted for. ‘Cum veste’ above v. 359. Elsewhere we have ‘in veste,’ as 12. 169, “puraque in veste sacerdos.

Tibicino To play upon the pipe or flute: “ordo tibicinantium,

See more on Cantus : “in nervorum vocumque cantibus,Cic. Tusc. 1, 2, 4; id. Rosc. Am. 46, 134: “citharae,Hor. C. 3, 1, 20: “horribili stridebat tibia cantu,Cat. 64, 264: “querulae tibiae,Hor. C. 3, 7, 30:
         B. An incantation, charm, magic song, etc.: cantusque artesque magorum
Of an actor: tardiores tibicinis modos et cantus remissiores facere,Cic. de Or. 1, 60, 254.—

See John Calvin and the pattern for the synagogue.

Numbers 10:[7]  But when the assembly is to be gathered together,
        you shall blow,
        but you shall not sound an alarm.

[7] quando autem congregandus est populus simplex tubarum clangor erit et non concise ululabunt

Con-grĕgo Congrego Academia congregation.  where plato taught, scholars are called Academici, and his doctrine Philosophia Academica.. The philosophy of the Acadamy,  instaret academia, quae quidquid dixisses,

Note 77 Thus Malvenda in Poole’s Syn., “et clangetis taratantara ” The word is used by Ennius “At tuba terribili sonitu taratantara dixit.” — Serv. in, AEn, 4. A.V., “an alarm."
To take people's money
Verg. A. 10.79
Be it so!
Cassandra's frenzy he obeyed. What voice —
say, was it mine?—urged him to quit his camp,
risk life in storms, or trust his war, his walls,
to a boy-captain, or stir up to strife
Etruria's faithful, unoffending sons?

What god, what pitiless behest of mine,
impelled him to such harm? Who traces here
the hand of Juno, or of Iris sped
from heaven? Is it an ignoble stroke
that Italy around the new-born Troy
makes circling fire, and Turnus plants his heel
on his hereditary earth, the son
of old Pilumnus and the nymph divine,
Venilia? For what offence would Troy
bring sword and fire on Latium, or enslave
lands of an alien name, and bear away
plunder and spoil? Why seek they marriages,
and snatch from arms of love the plighted maids?
An olive-branch is in their hands; their ships
make menace of grim steel.
Canto I. Neutr., to produce melodious sounds (by the voice or an instrument), to sound, sing, play (class. in prose and poetry; rare in Cic.) 2. Of the singing pronunciation of an orator, to declaim in a singing tone, to sing, drawl: si cantas, male cantas, si legis, cantas
C. Hence, because the oracles were of old uttered in verse, of any mysterious, prophetic, or warning utterance, to predict, warn, point out, indicate, make known, say
     III. In the lang. of religion, as v. n. or a., to use enchantments, charms, incantations, to enchant, to charm, Cato, R. R. 160, 1; Varr. R. R. 1, 2, 27: “frigidus in pratis cantando rumpitur anguis,Verg. E. 8, 71: “cantata Luna,exorcised by magic, Prop. 4 (5), 5, 13: “falx,Ov. H. 6, 84: “herbae,id. M. 7, 98: “ignis,Sil. 1, 430: “tum quoque cantato densetur carmine caelum,an incantation, Ov. M. 14, 369.—
    B. To call forth, produce by charms:et chelydris cantare soporem,Sil. 8, 498: “cantata umbra,Luc. 6, 767.
Sopor 2. Pregn., the sleep of death, death: “in soporem conlocastis nudos,Plaut. Am. 1, 1, 148; 1, 1, 150: “aeternus,Lucr. 3, 466: “perpetuus,Hor. C. 1, 24, 5.—
C. Poppy-juice, opium: “e nigro papavere sopor gignitur scapo inciso,Plin. 20, 18, 76, § 198.—
Jack Cottrell: Is the Holy Spirit a person with his own emotions and center of consciousness? No.

Jack Cottrell: Does the Holy Spirit reprove of sin to correct people? No. Consistent with Isaiah 30 and Revelation 18 the MARK in sight and sound of God "reproving" terminally is the sound of wind, string and percussion instruments: the same ones Lucifer the "singing and harp playing prostitute brought into the gardenof Eden."

Jack Cottrell, The Holy Spirit's Work in Conversion "Traditional, orthodox Christian faith says Jesus Christ is not only equal with the Father; he is also distinct from the Father in that he is a separate, distinct person, i.e., a separate center of consciousness with his own distinct thoughts, emotions, and actions."  NO ORTHODOX TRINITARIAN TAUGHT THAT.  There is ONE GOD and ONE LORD Jesus as the Christ. The "tri-nature" where Paul compared God's Spirit to our spirit is father, son and spirit: not God, Jesus and the spirit person (people)

No one can read Revelation, especially chapter 14, without shuddering at those who have imposed the SIGNS and SOUNDS of Judgment. They are the signs of judgment because "heaven" as some other meanings. The warning to those not already physically or spiritually dead is "preach the gospel.
NEW 5.20.10
Isaiah 50 the Smiting and Plucking and Shaming all point to Him being treated like a priest of Cybele or a Dionysus priest always naked and perverted.  Paul outlaws these sects in Romans 14 who were marked by their diet in the marketplace.  In Revelation 15 Paul said that could not engage in the SELF-pleasure which is defined as all of the performing arts and connects this to the REPROACES Jesus suffered for out sins. This leaves us free to engage in "synagogue" where we speak "that which is written."

Isaiah 55 clearly defines both inclusively and exclusively of His Words which provide spirit and life.  Peter uses many of the same concepts to dare anyone to teach beyond the written memory of the Apostles who were eye and ear witnesses. This is a quick study for today. If that awas not enough authority He defines the true Rest for the future church to exclude personal pleasure or even speaking your own words.  "Teach that which has been taught" should be warning enough.

Isaiah 58 has Christ urging a restoration and, as in the church in the wilderness, and Paul for the assembly forbidding seeking our own pleasure or even speaking our own words.

The new WhineSkin Anti-patternist patternists of speech may explain why up to 1/2 of the owners flee when the singy-clappy boys do their falsetto in direct fulfilment of the Levite type and of the a cappellas who were the castrated musical worship team the pope imported to the Sistine chapel when it was still unlawful to have "machines" during the only official mass.  This has nothing to do with "singing without instruments."

NEW 4.27.10 Jay Guin Twists Alexander Campbell

Jay Quin said that Alexander Campbell taught against the WORD ONLY: if so that would make him the first creature in recorded history to believe that the Spirit OF Christ was another person who whispered revelations "beyond the sacred pages."

I have posted a link to Jay Guin but he will never let people post who tell "the rest of the story."  I will add some links on my Jay Guin Review since he will NOT give a reason for having any hope.

If the Church of Christ ever taught anything it MUST be wrong according to Jay who claims to be an elder who is RESTRICTED to "teach that which has been taught." Paul warned that the WOLVES will come out of the pseudo-shepherds trying to be popular.

Since Campbell denies that the Spirit OF Christ which is the Spirit OF God is an separated PERSON, when he uses SPIRIT he is not communicating to the LU polytheists who think that the Spirit OF a person is ANOTHER person.
Alexander Campbell once wrote:

My principal objection to the popular doctrine of "the Trinity" is not that it is either irrational, or unscriptural, to infer that there are three Divine persons in one Divine nature.

Case proven: Jury MUST Acquit.  However, the BRIEF is too tight to fit.
But the jury OF TRUTH will not rest on false testimony.

My principal objection to the popular doctrine of "the Trinity" 
        is not that it is either irrational, [even IF it is irrational]
        or unscriptural,
[even IF it is irrational]
        to infer that there are three Divine persons in one Divine nature.

That these three equally have one thought, purpose, will, and operation, and so one God;--or, to use the words of the Westminster Confession, "In the Unity of the Godhead there be three persons, of one substance, power, and eternity;"

I say I object not to this doctrine  
    because it is contrary to reason, [even IF it is irrational]
        or revelation [even IF it is not revealed] 

That these three equally have one thought, purpose, will, and operation, and so one God;--or, to use the words of the Westminster Confession, "In the Unity of the Godhead there be three persons, of one substance, power, and eternity;"

I say I object not to this doctrine  
    because it is contrary to reason, [even IF it is irrational]
        or revelation [even IF it is not revealed]

The most IMPORTANT reason for rejecting it:

but because of the metaphysical technicalities,
the unintelligible jargon,
the unmeaning language of the orthodox creeds on this subject,
and the interminable war of words without ideas
to which the word Trinity has given birth. 

For example, in the same section from which I have quoted the above words is found the following jargon: "The Father is of none, neither begotten nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father; the Holy Ghost eternally proceeding from the Father and the Son."

Were any one to ask me, Can there be three distinct persons, or even being, in one God? I would say,
        Reason informs me not,
        and revelation does not assert it.

But if asked, Can there be one, and [99] one three in the same sense?
I reply, Both reason and revelation say No.

But then no Trinitarian or Calvinist affirms that the three are one, and the one three, in the same sense.

Alexander Campbell on Unitarianism and Trinitarianism: no restoration leader believed in the THREE PEOPLE godhead Jay Guin learned at LU which was just invented and outed publically in 1938-1942.  It is still the mantra of John Mark Hicks promoting instrumental music along with other heresies.


Many persons have been called Unitarians, and some have so called themselves,
        who believe in the death of Christ as a sin-offering,
        who reject trinitarianism
                because of its unscriptural,
                and barbarous phraseology;

regarding it as a system of polytheism; who, nevertheless, know not what to say or think of the pre-existent or ante-human state of the author of Christianity; some repudiating the phrases "eternal son," "second person," "consubstantial" "co-equal," "very God of very God," "Supreme Deity," &c.; &c.

When Campbell speaks of "spirit" he uses the same terms as John Calvin who said that one HEARS the Spirit only through the Word of God.  Calvin went further to say that anyone who claimed to hear SPIRIT without the WORD were fanatics.  Paul ministered SPIRIT by preaching and others RECEIVED Spirit by hearing with faith: that is because Jesus said my Words ARE Spirit and Life (John 6:63).

The SPIRIT whose name was Jesus of Nazareth had to let Paul SEE Him and HEAR him before he was qualified to speak FOR Christ and THEN only after he was baptized to "wash away his sins."
4. The Holy Spirit selected the name Word, and therefore we may safely assert that this is the best,if not the only term, in the whole vocabulary of human speech at all adapted to express that relation which existed "in the beginning," or before time, between our Saviour and his God.

These postulata being stated, I proceed to inquire what sort of a relation does this term represent? And here every thing is plain and easy of comprehension. I shall state numerically a few things universally admitted by the reflecting part of mankind:


1st. A word is a sign or representative of a thought or an idea, and is the idea in an audible or visible form.
        It is the exact image of that invisible thought
        which is a perfect secret to all the world until it is expressed.

2d. All men think or form ideas by means of words or images;
        so that no man can think without words or symbols of some sort.

3d. Hence it follows that the word and the idea which it represents, are co-etaneous, or of the same age or antiquity.
     It is true the word may not be uttered or born for years or ages after the idea exists, but still the word is just as old as the idea.

4th. The idea and the word are nevertheless distinct from each other, though the relation between them is the nearest known on earth.
        An idea cannot exist without a word, nor a word without an idea.

5th. He that is acquainted with the word, is acquainted with the idea, for the idea is wholly in the word.

Now let it be most attentively observed and remembered, that these remarks are solely intended to exhibit
        the relation which exists between a word and an idea, and that
        this relation is of a mental nature,
            and more akin to the spiritual system than any relation created,
            of which we know any thing.

It is a relation of the most sublime order; and no doubt the reason why the name Word is adopted by the apostle in this sentence
        was because of its superior ability to represent to us the divine relation existing
        between God and the Saviour [The Word since Jesus was born of Mary]
        prior to his becoming the Son of God.

By putting together the above remarks on the term word, we have a full view of what John intended to communicate.

    As a word is an exact image of an idea,
    so is "The Word" an exact image of the invisible God.

    As a word cannot exist without an idea, nor an idea without a word,
    so God never was without "The Word," nor "The Word" without God;

    or as a word is of equal age, or co-etaneous with its idea,
    so "The Word" and God are co-eternal.

    And as an idea does not create its word nor a word its idea;
    so God did not create "The Word," nor the "Word" God.

Such a view does the language used by John suggest. And to this do all the scriptures agree.
        For "The Word" was made flesh,

NEW 4.27.10 Jay Guin Beware the Pattern.

I have posted a review of Jay Quin Beware the Pattern in the New Wineskins proof that you do not have to know anything about the "story line" or PATTERNISM of the Bible to be a teacher, preacher or even a university professor.  If you DON'T know the FATAL SIN and the BABYLONIAN PATTERNISM to which the tribe of Levi was abandoned and you don't know the MARKS of the worship of the starry host then what kind of "spirit" prompts people to Racaize those who DO read and understand the Bible and all recorded history REFUTING them then you may not undersand the meaning of STRONG DELUSIONS forcing people to believe a lie and be damned. The METHOD of spreading the virus is called Lying Wonders. These are SPECIFICIALLY the production of shock and AWE of religious spectical as the laded burden Jesus died to free a tiny remnant from.

Titus 1 Titus set in place those men already laboring in preaching and teaching. Paul had SELECTED them because he knew the ENEMY on Crete and could not tolerate a shepherd who would turn wolf and let the slick speakers, singers or instrument players: Jesus identified all of these as HYPOCRITES.  This also marked the worship of the MOTHER GODDESS and Paul hoped that they would EMASCULATE themselves or cut themselves of to get rid of them. The best weapon Satan has developed is that it is find to lie about the Word to steal the church house of widows.  However, anyone is a "legalistic, sectarian patternist" who REFUTES them with a little Bible 101a comes in the gunner sights of those seeking whom they might devour.  Paul will prove that such people are not redeemable and need to be SAT DOWN and gagged.  

Not even civil society tolerated what "worship" centers love:
Plat. Laws 936c There shall be no beggar in our State; and if anyone attempts to beg, and to collect a livelihood by ceaseless [making Poieo meter, hymns] prayers, the market-stewards shall expel him from the market, and the Board of city-stewards from the city, and from any other district he shall be driven across the border by the country-stewards, to the end that the land may be wholly purged of such a creature. If a slave, male or female, do any injury to another man's goods,

Collect is Sullego
compose, or rather compile, scrape together, has the meaning of the assembly, synagogue or ekklesia, monodia, mele
A. monody, solo, opp. the song of the chorus, Ar.Ra.849 (pl.), al., Philostr.VA4.21; opp. khorōdia, Pl.Lg.764d. II. monody, lament, Him.Or.23.1: pl., ib.8.

Melos B. esp. musical member, phrase: hence, song, strain, 2. music to which a song is set, tune3. melody of an instrument

II. in LXX, the Jewish congregation, De. 31.30,al.
2. in NT, the Church, as a body of Christians, Ev.Matt. 16.18, 1 Ep.Cor.11.22 ; “ kat' oikon tinos e.Ep.Rom.16.5 ; as a building, Cod.Just.1.1.5 Intr., etc.
We have done a quick study of Titus 1 because the bubbly wineskinners have usurped the role of selecting elders: this is almost always done with the heavy TILT of the wives of search groups.  It comes as no surprise that Paul understood the PATTERNISM of Crete and therefore picked elders with the OPPOSITE tilt.  Crete was devoted to the Mother Goddess under various names: in Revelation 17 she is the Babylon mother of harlots. She uses "lusted after fruits" as rhetoricians (poetic speakers), singers and instrument players: John calls them sorcerers who HAD deceived the whole world. Apollo as the Abaddon or Apollyon was center-stage on Crete and the MUSES (Rev 18) as his musical worship team were noted as dirty adulteresses.  I have added just a token bit of material with links you cannot find among the scholars so you can decide whether you REALLY want to bow to Apollo as one notorious preacher has tilted toward the Levites as his PATTERNISM but Christ in the prophets says it was NOT commanded and marks them as robbers and parasites. ALL of the connects to the Levite Prophesiers are derived from the feminine: only males could be religious performers but they had to "perform the roles of women."

New 4.20.10
The Latest issue of New Wineskins (aka Wimber's Vineyard and the Sophia-Zoe complex in mortal complex with the Jehovah-Logos) patriarchialism is the UGLIEST issue of yellow journalism ever spread before the "drinking" world of pagan religionism. Royce Ogles wrote Patternism in Churches ofChrist: A Template for Sin. But, he goes on and spreads hate for the PATTERNISTS for rebuking Rick Atchley who added the DRESS PATTERNISM of instrumental worship (an oxymoron) even if it drove the OWNERS congregation from a boasted of 6400 to about 3500 after "a spirit" told Rick Atchley--a birthed Christian Church member--that the curse of Hezekiahs musical exorcism while burning the GOATS (cappellas, demons) to appease Israel as the INSTRUMENTAL SECTARIANS was God COMMANDING instrumental praise and YOU had better not be disobedient and NOT question the leaders: in this case Rick Atchley following Max Lucado even from Dorm Buddy times intimidating the elders.

We have collected links to help people resist depending on the "scholarship." Christ even in the wilderness defined a CENI which exclused anything beyond reading and discussing the text.  That is because it is not remotely possible to become a "doctor of the Law" without, as Jesus warned, taking away the key to knowledge.  Because it is not possible to NOT want to add MORE pieces to the patternism, reading the text is the only possible way to make sure that the Words of Christ are not filthered through prelatal pride.

Patternism in Churches of Christ: A Template for Sin Royce Ogle

I am doing this review only because Royce Ogle called me a false teacher (clearly) for thinking that the Babylon Mother of Harlots in Revelation 17 who uses the lusted after "fruits" (same as in Amos) in Revelation 18 as Craftsmen (all paid skilled), singers and instrument players and John called them SORCERERS.  This is the meaning of Miriam who PROPHESIED and is another one of the Wineskinners (smile!) as a Musical Worship Mistress.  Of Course, Al being trained to corrupt the word (sell learning at retail, adulterate) and to violate the CENI against private interpretation (further expounding) will NEVER be able to read BLACK TEXT on BROWN PAPER as Paul promised strong delusions to those who do not LOVE the Word and lying wonders are specificially all of the HYPOCRITIC arts which are defined by the very word and by Jesus as entertaining preachers, singers and instrument players.

I will post this today and work on it because Royse HACKS any response I give quoting SCRIPTURE which is the old patternism.

NEW 4.16.10 The Tulsa Workshop now diverted to the NACC.

Jay must be happy: seems that the Tulsa Workshop devoted to soul winning has turned into headquarters of the Progressive Churches of Christ.  Wade Hodges confesses that his wish as for more unity with the NACC.  Of course, the NACC was sectarianed out of the Disciples from 1927 until finally de-censued in 1971.  During that period the BAIT of unity has sowed massive discord because they always pull out their "white paper" of all of the mentions of "instruments" in the Bible and history and say that God's ABANDONMENT of Israel to worship the starry host BECAUSE of musical idolatry was really the "spirit" speaking to them and saying that God now COMMANDS that they do the same thing in THEIR newly confiscated churches.  I really have no doubt that they saw visions and heard the Spirit COMMAND them to do their deed: strong delusions bring on lying wonders which are specificially the hypocritic arts Jesus identified as false preachers, singers and instrument players.

The BAIT of unity is, like all of theor theology, based on John 17 which Jesus USES to prevent them from hearing the Word.  The WORLD is the enemy and the TRUTH is the friend: Jesus called the apostles OUT of the World and into HIS WORD.  Because preachers don't need to define terms as "doctors of the law" the WORLD is specificially identified as the realm of SATAN and his Carnal Weapons or Lifeless Instruments are specificially the "new style of singing and drama" which is a primary definition of the BEAST in Revelation.  

Here is my take on John 17 keyed off Tulsa Workshop 2010 who used all of those who SOWED DISCORD to gain union with their hidden agenda partners.  I have provided the links to word definitions and the Biblical and Classical literature where the MARK OF THE BEAST is clearly defined as music which is more powerful than Crack: once you make the mental connection between music / erotic and worship you are hooked and you will never get up if we believe the Bible, The Book of Enoch and medical science


There are TWO ROADS especially at Mount Sinai: After receiving The Book of The Covenant of grace, the people refused to KEEP the REST day (Ex 31).  They rose up to PLAY in Exodus 32 and God removed GRACE and gave them a FIREY LAW to regulated idolaters.  He turned them over to worship the STARRY HOST and that is why all students understand that the temple and sacrificial systemwas Sabazianism or sun, moon and wandering star "gods" which was identical to that of the Egyptians and Babyonians.

The Spiritual people were commanded to Qahal, synagogue or hold church in the wilderness on the REST days: this quarantined them from the sacrificial idolatry and permitted them to Rest, Read and Rehearse the Word of God (only).  This outlawed vocal or instrumental rejoicing: pretty simple that you shut up the musical children when God comes to instruct you through the elders.

That never changed even when Jesus endorsed the synagogue and commanded the ekklesia which was a INSTRUCTION ONLY assembly of the people. Why would it be insane to ask people to find where God COMMANDED them to do what He as Christ outlawed for the entire history of the Jews?  In many ways, the wilderness was a test for people who were idolaters in egypt, were rescued to save God's name, and continued their abominations just after the Red Sea. Christ speaks through the PROPHETS and not the Civil Scribes Jesus warned about in the prophets warning about the lying pen of the Scribes as they defended the CURSE as God's patternism.


This is a primary definition of those who ACT without God's explicit authority.  

Ex. 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you:
       every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death:
       for whosoever doeth any work therein,
       that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

Before the Law:: If you do not KEEP the REST (Pauo by Jesus) you DEFILE it.
If you DEFILE the REST you are worthy of Death.
Both REST and LADED BURDEN are defined by Jesus.


Moses wrote for people who would not read or listen.  Therefore, when people want to IMPOSE something on the REST (Pauo) that Christ died to give us, it is important to look back and see how they could have understood the word if they cared.  In chapter 32 thy profaned the Sabbath: that word includes to play the flute, steal other's inheritance, pollute or prostitute. Therefore, we might ask the translators what the word meant to them.

the sabbath never meant WORSHIP on the REST day for the spiritual people of God.  Jesus gave us (the fee) another REST day which outlaws the musical aggitation and dethroned the burden laders.

: H8104 shâmar shaw-mar' A primitive root; properly to hedge about (as with thorns), that is, guard; generally to protect, attend to, etc.:—beware, be circumspect, take heed (to self), keep (-er, self), mark, look narrowly, observe, preserve, regard, reserve, save (self), sure, (that lay) wait (for), watch (-man).

Keep in Latin
: Custodio II.  With the accessory idea of hindering free motion, A.  In gen., to hold something back, to preserve, keep:   
Meaning to keep precepts or laws:  Regula a rule, pattern, measuring rod, formula sermonis
Loquor to speak, talk, say (sermo in the lang. of common life, in the tone of conversation
Custodio: hold something back, preserve, hinder free motion, watch, preserve. hold back simulation.
Simulatio hold back . a falsely assumed appearance, a false show, feigning, shamming, pretence, feint, insincerity, deceit, hypocrisy, simulation, pretend to be under a divine command.

Jesus defined the Scribes and Pharisees as hypocrites by pointing to performance speakers, singers and instrument players.
Quint. Inst. 12 1.29
[29] And assuredly the man who will best inspire such feelings in others is he who has first inspired them in himself. For however we strive to conceal it, insincerity will always betray itself, and there was never in any man so great eloquence as would not begin to stumble and hesitate so soon as his words ran counter to his inmost thoughts.

Sermons pretend that it is God speaking
Singers pretend that their songs are Spirit inspired.

Tacitus Tac. Hist. 2.61 Amid the adventures of these illustrious men, one is ashamed to relate how a certain Mariccus, a Boian of the lowest origin, pretending to divine inspiration, ventured to thrust himself into fortune's game, and to challenge the arms of Rome. Calling himself the champion of Gaul, and a God (for he had assumed this title), he had now collected 8000 men, and was taking possession of the neighbouring villages of the Ædui, when that most formidable state attacked him with a picked force of its native youth, to which Vitellius attached some cohorts, and dispersed the crowd of fanatics.
        Mariccus was captured in the engagement, and was soon after exposed to wild beasts, but not having been torn by them was believed by the senseless multitude to be invulnerable, till he was put to death in the presence of Vitelliu

Custodio:  hold back To sport, dally, wanton  mimic or imitate work, make believe work.  BEspecially to play on an instrument of music, to make or compose music or song:"

The Church is a School of the Bible only.  Why isn't it CRAZY to think that you can worship God in Christ while making music?  

Lecto also defines Synagogue: you READ the words of anyone you honor.
Lectito  I. To gather or collect eagerly or often 
II. To read often, with eagerness, or with attention orationes,to read aloud, Plin. Ep. 7, 17, 4; Quint. 9, 1, 12. “Platonem studiose,” Speech which is the opposite of action.
Custodio pretending to have power in order to hold people in custody captive
Quintilian Quint. Inst. 9 3.50 .
[50] Further, this device of saying the opposite of what [405] we desire to imply is not merely restricted to persons, but may be extended to things, witness the whole of the exordium of the pro Ligario and disparaging phrases such as “Forsooth,” “ye great gods!” or

Fit task, I ween, for gods!

Aen. iv,. 379. Dido mocks the excuse of
Aeneas that he had received the direct
command of heaven to leave Carthage.
Custodio cautiously, carefully to Parce in custody ludebat.

Parco Ludo:  Israel fell into musical idolatry ON THEIR OWN while God was condemning it.

Parco to  refrain from B. To abstain or refrain from doing a thing; to forbear, leave off, desist, stop, cease, let alone
Refrain from

Refrain from PLAY: they rose up to PLAY. David rose up

Ludo  to play games, to sport, frisk, frolic, dance.
Esp., to play on an instrument of music, to make or compose music or song: “ludere quae vellem calamo permisit agresti,” : “quod tenerae cantent, lusit tua musa, puellae,id. Am. 3, 1, 27: “coloni Versibus incomptis ludunt,Verg. G. 2, 386: “carmina pastorum,
Vellem a comedy which wishes (i. e. is meant) to be in demandb. Of the wishes of those that have a right to command, the gods, masters, parents, commanders, etc., I want, wish, will, am resolved, it is my will:  checkit
Canto I. Neutr., to produce melodious sounds (by the voice or an instrument), to sound, sing, play, Less freq. of instrumental music, and only with abl. of the instrument, in comedy, to sing and play while the actor accompanies the song with gestures or dancing,
Tuba war trumpet, Apart from military purposes, it was used on various occasions, as at religious festivals, games, funerals, a signal for wor, exciter, instigator. 
TO DEFILE THE SABBATH (Hebrew) OR PAUO (Greek) is a capital offense. The Hebrew word is h2490 similar to David's halal or "make self vile" praise word.

Ex. 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you:
       every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death.  

What the people did as they rose up to PLAY on the day dedicated to God and rest deserved death and that is what happened.  The word defiled has several meanings and here are ways you can defile the day by pretending to worship God but turn to food and entertainment.

The Hebrew word is h2490 similar to David's halal or "make self vile" praise word.



The people were not under the law of moses but of a form of the Abrahamic Covenant: the only spiritual covenant with promise which would not included the period of the Law but would be realized in Christ.

Ex. 32:1 And when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down out of the mount,  the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron, and said unto him,  Up, make us gods, which shall go before us; for   as for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.

Exod 32:2 And Aaron said unto them, Break off the golden earrings, which are in the ears of your wives, of your sons, and of your daughters, and bring them unto me.

Exod 32:3 And all the people brake off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them unto Aaron.

Exod 32:4 And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool,
  after he had made it a molten calf: and they said,  These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. 

Exod 32:5 And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said,
  To morrow is a feast to the Lord.

Exod 32:6 And they rose up early on the morrow,
        and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings;
        and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play


Sacrifices under The Book of The Covenant were conditional.  However, these people had no commandment yet for burnt offerings:  However, one of their sins was:

hŏlŏcaustum , i, n., = holokauston, I. a whole burnt - offering, holocaust, Prud. Apoth. 537; id. Psych. 784; Vulg. Exod. 40, 6; id. Lev. 4, 7 al.;

hŏlŏcautōma , ătis, n., = holokautōma,
I. a whole burnt-offering, holocaust, Tert. adv. Jud. 5; id. adv. Marc. 5, 5 fin.; Vulg. Jer. 6, 20; id. Ev. Marc. 12, 33 al. (in some edd. falsely holocaustoma).
Jer. 7:21 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel;
        Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh.
Jer. 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers,
        nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt,
        concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Jer. 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying,
        Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people:
        and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you,
            that it may be well unto you.
Jer. 7:24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear,
        but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart,
        and went backward, and not forward.

[24] et non audierunt nec inclinaverunt aurem suam sed abierunt in voluntatibus et pravitate cordis sui mali factiquesunt retrorsum et non in ante
Voluntas will, freewill, wish, choice, desire, inclination. Judgment of a multitude
prāvĭtas crookedness, inequality, irregularity, deformity, of character, viciousness, untowardness, perverseness, depravity:
Facio To raise a controversy, to excite To make believe, to pretend, to assume, to follow a trade, 8. In relig. lang., like the Gr. rhezein, to perform or celebrate a religious rite; to offer sacrifice, make an offering, to sacrifice
Jer. 7:25 Since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Egypt unto this day
        I have even sent unto you all my servants the prophets,
        daily rising up early and sending them:
Jer. 7:26 Yet they hearkened not unto me, nor inclined their ear,
        but hardened their neck: they did worse than their fathers.
Surgo rose up as an attack upon the God of Moses.
Ludo  to play games, to sport, frisk, frolic, dance. Esp., to play on an instrument of music, to make or compose music song: “ludere quae vellem calamo permisit agresti,
Calamus a reed pipe
Catullus, Carmina 63 The Adventuresof ATYS

O'er high deep seas in speedy ship his voyage Atys sped
Until he trod the Phrygian grove with hurried eager tread
And as the gloomy tree-shorn stead, the she-god's home, he sought
There sorely stung with fiery ire and madman's vaguing thought,
Share he with sharpened flint the freight wherewith his form was fraught.
Then as the she-he sensed limbs were void of manly strain
And sighted freshly shed a-ground spot of ensanguined stain,
Snatched she the timbrel's legier load with hands as snowdrops white,
Thy timbrel, Mother Cybele, the firstings of thy rite,

[9]  tubam Cybelles: as the blare of the tuba is the summons and incitement to warriors, so is the beat of the tympanum to the votaries of Cybele; the phrase is further explained by tua initia. The famous norm of Bentley (on Lucan 1.600) that when the penult is short, the form Cybele should be written, but when it is long the form Cybebe, Cybelle being discarded altogether, is not well supported by either Greek or Latin usage. Cybelle (Gr. *ku/bella) is found in many good MSS

Canto I. Neutr., to produce melodious sounds (by the voice or an instrument), to sound, sing, play, Less freq. of instrumental music, and only with abl. of the instrument, in comedy, to sing and play while the actor accompanies the song with gestures or dancing,
Tuba war trumpet, Apart from military purposes, it was used on various occasions, as at religious festivals, games, funerals, a signal for wor, exciter, instigator. 
Acts 7:41 And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol, 
        and rejoiced in the works of their own hands.

Acts 7:42 Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; 
        as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, 
        have ye offered to me slain beasts
        and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness?

No sacrifices were commanded and therefore no music "to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter."

Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch,
        and the STAR of your god Remphan, 
        figures which ye made to worship them:

        and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

Acts 7:44 Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness,
        as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses, t
        hat he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen.

Acts 7:45 Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus into the possession of the Gentiles, 
        whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David;

Acts 7:46 Who found favour before God, 
        and desired to find a tabernacle for the God of Jacob.

Acts 7:47 But Solomon built him an house.
Acts 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Acts 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool:
        what house will ye build me? 
        saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?

Acts 7:50 Hath not my hand made all these things?
Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, 
        ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

Further notes in progress.

Revolutionary Grace Review

REVISED 1.04.10  Ronnie Norman First Colony Church of Christ

I have collected more of the background for the word PSALLO: this was used for the first time in history by the Disciples of Christ to convince the Churches of Christ that they should merge with their denominational count for the 1906 census.  The translators used the PSALLO type words to describe some of the Psalms (57 out of the BOOK called Psalms). They understood that it spoke of making literal war and making pagan religious war.  I have looked first at how the word is used in the Latin Literature to mean pluck or play a harp string.  The use of the war is universally connected to the perverse rituals of the pagans.  You may not want to do that in the "school of the Bible."  In Ecclesiastical religious sense the word is used ONLY of singing where "shooting out a hymn" is a metaphor.

Then, I have looked at the more extensive use in the Greek literature: the contrast between making war / making love and its use to mean "singing" is more pronounced.

Rev 7.12.09
NEW 9.05.09  11.30.09

NEW POST 11.30.09 Lying Wonders

WE ARE IN THE MUDDLE OF LYING WONDERS: they lie about every "instrument" mention in the Bible and impose it on the simple minded because of the promise of WONDERS or "Spectacles of worship with sight and sound and motion and lights moving everyone into a VORTEX of praise."  Carol Wimber is at least honest: she calls it a sexual-like climactic experience with the spirit.

From a direct command the Church of Christ was a School of the Word beginning in the wilderness.  It outlawed vocal or instrumental rejoicing and that never changed.  Christ came to shut down the spectacles and give us a chance to save ourselves FROM that crooked race of people.

All of the direct commands are to SPEAK the Word of God and the purpose was to teach DISCIPLES: Disciples do not go to worship services where the LYING WONDERS shut down their learning ability.

2Th. 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed,
        whom the Lord shall consume with the SPIRIT of his mouth,
        and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

2 Thess 2:9 Even him, whose coming is
          after the working of Satan with all power
          and signs and lying wonders, 

2Th. 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; 
        because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2Th. 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion,
        that they should believe a lie:
2Th. 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth,
        but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

A prodigy a lying wonder might be the false claim that people will bring God into your midst or "lead you into the presence of God" using music.  The word can also mean A monstrous and unnatural Crime.   For instance, a monster might try to force the TITHE or the "Law of giving" under the ploy that the people would be owners of a church.  However, the plan was to divert the monies and lie about all of the "music" words related to the Jewish Civil-Military-Clergy complex whom Christ in spirit called robbers and parasites; or as Scribes and Pharisees called hypocrites marked as speakers, singers and instrument players, to FORCE the owners to submit to the same musical idolatry "or find yourself another church home." id. Verr. 2, 3, 73,

I told you that there is no LAW of tithing and no LAW of giving. Therefore, collecting money knowing that you intend to lie, cheat and steal the church house of widows and honest working people is a LYING WONDER. The Purpose Driven Cult intends to keep you bewitched until they have YOUR money in THEIR hands and they will SELL you and yours to Satan for a crust of breat.  A noted preacher promised NEVER to use instruments on Sunday. When he announced that they would impose instruments on Sunday and people protested his response was "That was THEN but this is NOW."  And all based on terminal ignorance of the Bible and/or terminal evil.

Cicero 3 I demand the accounts, I inspect the documents, I see that the people of Halesa, from whom sixty thousand modii had bees levied, had given none, that they had paid money to Volcatus, and to Timarchides the clerk. I find a case of plunder of this kind, O judges, that the praetor, whose duty it was to buy corn, did not buy it, but sell it; and that he embezzles and appropriates
        It did not appear to me any longer to be a theft, but a monster and a prodigy; to reject the corn of the cities, 
and to approve of his own; when he had approved of his own, then to put a price on that corn, to take from the cities what he had fixed, and to retain what he had received from the Roman people.
the money which he ought to have divided among the cities.
4592 semeion say-mi'-on Neuter of a presumed derivative of the base of G4591 ; an indication, especially CEREMONIALLY or supernaturally:--miracle, sign, token, wonder.


Terato-poios , on, A. working wonders, LXX 2 Ma.15.21

Thaumasios 1.wonderful teras men thaumasion prosidesthai, thauma de kai pareontôn akousai P. 1.26 

Pindar Odes 1: [1] Golden lyre, rightful joint possession of Apollo [Apollyon Revelation] and the violet-haired Muses [Musicians Rev 18], to which the dance-step listens, the beginning [SEMI] of splendid FESTIVITY and singers obey your notes, whenever, with your quivering strings, you prepare to strike up CHORUS-LEADING PRELUDES. [5] You quench even the warlike thunderbolt of everlasting fire. And the eagle sleeps on the scepter of Zeus, relaxing his swift wings on either side,
        [7] the king of birds; and you pour down a dark mist over his curved head, a sweet seal on his eyelids.
        Slumbering, he ripples his liquid back,[10] under the spell of your pulsing notes.
Even powerful Ares, setting aside the rough spear-point,
        warms his heart in repose; your shafts charm the minds even of the gods,
        by virtue of the skill of Leto's son and the deep-bosomed Muses.
[13] But those whom Zeus does not love are stunned with terror 
        when they hear the cry of the Pierian Muses, on earth or on the irresistible sea.

Thaumatourg-eô A. = thaumatopoieô, X.Smp.7.2; work wonders or miracles, Ph.2.18,185; but ta perigeia th. 'play tricks with', of Xerxes, Id.1.674; ta tethaumatourgêmena wonderful phenomena, Pl.Ti. 80c. Parallel to Teratourgeo, Teratourga, Thaumasios 

Xenophon, Symposium VII. Then some among the rest of the banqueters kept urging Philip to go on with his comparisons, while others opposed. As the clamour rose to some height, Socrates once more interposed, saying: “Since we all want to talk, would this not be a fine time to join in singing?” And with the words he began a song. [2] When they had finished, a potter's wheel was brought in for the dancing girl on which she intended performing some feats of jugglery....  
        [5] However, these questions also fail to promote the same object that wine does;
        but if the young people were to have a flute accompaniment and dance figures depicting the Graces, the Horae, and the Nymphs,
       I believe that they would be far less wearied themselves and that the charms of the banquet would be greatly enhanced.”

“Upon my word, Socrates,” replied the Syracusan, “you are quite right; and I will bring in a spectacle that will delight you.”

The Greek: Teratourg-e, A. WORK wonders, pseud´sti Sch.Pi.I.7(6).1

Pindar Odes: [1] In which of the local glories of the past, divinely blessed Thebe, did you most delight your spirit?
        Was it when you raised to eminence the one seated beside Demeter of the clashing bronze cymbals,
        flowing-haired [5] Dionysus? Or when you received, as a snow-shower of gold in the middle of the night,
        the greatest of the gods [old wineskin god]
[20] then begin the victory [Nike: TRIUMPH OVER] procession with a sweet-singing hymn for Strepsiades;
         for he is the victor in the pancratium at the Isthmus,
        both awesome in his strength and handsome to look at;
        and he treats excellence as no worse a possession than beauty.
        [23] He is made radiant by the violet-haired Muses,
        and he has given a share in his flowering garland to his uncle and namesake

The-ama   A. sight, spectacle, Semon.7.67, A.Pr.306, E.Supp.783, Ar.Av.1716, etc.; ei tis orchoit' eu, theam' ên Pl.Com.130 ; Opposite mathaema, Th.2.39; freq. of a sight which gives pleasure, theamata kai akroamata haedista parecheis X.Smp.2.2 , cf. 7.5; orcheseis kai theamata
Orcheoma represent by Rythm, pantomime , dance, singing and dancing, shaken, tremble, "made my heart leap." Salto (David's dance: dancing a girl's part) to Perform in pantomime or play a part. Recited with thythmical movements.
Xenophon, Symposium 2. II. When the tables had been removed and the guests had poured a libation and sung a hymn, there entered a man from Syracuse, to give them an evening's merriment. He had with him a fine flute-girl, a dancing-girl--one of those skilled in acrobatic tricks,--and a very handsome boy, who was expert at playing the cither and at dancing; the Syracusan made money by exhibiting their performances as a spectacle. [2] They now played for the assemblage, the flute-girl on the flute, the boy on the cither; and it was agreed that both furnished capital amusement. Thereupon Socrates remarked: “On my word, Callias, you are giving us a perfect dinner; for not only have you set before us a feast that is above criticism, but you are also offering us very delightful sights and sounds.”
Mathema that which is learnt, lesson, learning, knowledge Episteme  A. acquaintance with a matter, understanding. full knowledge in all thinkgs 
Rom. 15:1 We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak,
        and not to please ourselves.  [music and theatrics]
Rom. 15:2 Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification. [education]
Rom. 15:3 For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written,
        The reproaches  [exposed His nakedness] of them that reproached thee fell on me.
Rom. 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime
were written for our learning,
        that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
Rom. 15:5 Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:
Rom. 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Rom. 15:7 Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us to the glory of God.
THAT DEFINES WHAT PAUL CALLED SYNAGOGUE BOTH EXCLUSIVELY AND THEN INCLUSIVELY: this is what Christ commanded for the Church in the Wilderness:
Acts 15:21 For Moses
        of old time hath
        in every city them that preach him,
        being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.



Satan speaks ot the musical imposers through the Scribes of the Monarchy's King: they are called the "lying pen of the Scribes" and Jesus called them hypocrites by naming speakers, singers and instrument players. Their AUDIENCE is collected ONLY to be fleeced and entertained.

Christ speaks to the RIGHTEOUS thread through the Prophets and Apostles.

The method is to hold ekklesia or synagogue and teach only that which has been taught. This is repeated over and over and it takes lots of training to MISS it. Else, we are dealing with the "fallen stars" as John called the speakers, singers and instrument players who HAD deceived the whold world.

Peter MARKS as a false teacher likek the false prophets anyone who does not TEACH THAT WHICH HAS BEEN TAUGHT.


2 Peter 3:1 This is now, beloved, the second letter that I have written to you; and in both of them
        I stir up your sincere mind by reminding you;
[2]  that you should
        remember the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets,
        and the commandments of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior:


       2Pet. 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy;
               whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, [the SOLE worship word]
               as unto a light that shineth in a dark place,
               until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:


         2Pet. 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

         Further expounding means that NO ONE has any right to add to, subtract from or modify "that which is written."
         If you think silence is permissive for the assembly of Christ as a school of the word you are marked.



[3]  knowing this first, that in the last days mockers will come, [Magikos, magi]
        walking after THEIR OWN lusts,

lust is the evil desire to DO something or longing (especially for what is forbidden)

Lordy, they will lie, cheat and steal in order to give YOU the authority to violate the old "'traditionalists" or even the Word of God. It is at a pitch fever and they are already "consuming themselves with the breath (spirit) of their own lips."

That INCLUDES the writings of the prophets and apostles.

2Pet. 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man:
       but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.  [Spirit OF Christ]

That EXCLUDES that which comes out of the human imagination which is only evil continually

Isaiah 30 and Jude pointing us to The Book of Enoch which has no recorded exception to the central message.

    See Enoch


    Jude 14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying,
            Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
    Jude 15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them
            of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed,
            and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
    Jude 16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts;
            and their mouth speaketh great swelling words,
            having men’s persons in admiration [lying wonders] because of advantage.
    Jude 17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
    Jude 18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time,
            who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

Those FOR WHOM God comes in judgment is defined as Satan all all he/she/it can seduce into music in the face of Jesus Christ as an attempt to silence His Words.

        G1703 empaiktēs emp-aheek-tace' From G1702 ; a derider, that is, (by implication) a false teacher:—mocker, scoffer.

    Jude 19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.


    G592 apodiorizō ap-od-ee-or-id'-zo From G575 and a compound of G1223 and G3724 ;
          to disjoin (by a boundary, figuratively a party):—separate.

This is the same mocking or PLAY which requested that God REMOVE His Grace and abandon them to worship the starry host: the HAVING FALLEN angels.

The PLAY words identify the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai for which God removed GRACE and forced the father-cursed tribe of LEVI to bear the burden of this CURSE and ABANDONMENT.

Empaig-ma , atos, to, A. jest, mocking, delusion, LXX Is.66.4; magikês empaigmata technês
prospaizô , 2. abs., sport, jest, 3. laugh at, make fun or sport of, sing to the gods, sing in their praise or honour, 2. banter, tous rhêtoras

Pl.Epin.980b Plato Epinomis, or Nocturnal Council: Athenian

[980b] and honoring the gods, with high tribute of his hymns and affluence throughout the period of his own life.

Cleinias Speaking of the same pagan gods to whom God abandoned the Levi tribe

Well spoken, indeed, good sir. Yes, may you have this consummation of your laws,
      after making fine sport in praising the gods and having passed a purer life, to find thereby the best and fairest end!

Then how, Cleinias, do we state it? Do we honor the gods, think you, to the utmost with our hymns,
     praying that we may be moved to speak the fairest and best things about them? Do you state it so, or how?[/color]

All ceremonial legalism is an abortive attempt to SILENCE the gods and is always a mark of people who repudiate the Word as authoratative for our school (onl) of the Bible (only). That is the sole purpose of the assembly as ekklesia or synagogue neither of which could MAKE UP their own resources.

Paig-ma , atos, to, A.play, sport, lôtoshotan . . paigmata bremêi whene'er the pipe sounds its sportive strains, E.Ba.161(lyr.); Ludia p. luras

  # Empaizô , fut. - mock at, mock, tini
  # 2. euphem. in mal. part., LXXJd. 19.25. [sexual]

    3. Pass., to be deluded, Ev.Matt.2.16, AP10.56.2 (Pall.), Vett.Val.16.14; to be defrauded, of the revenues, Cod.Just.1.34.2.
    II. sport in or on, hôs nebros chloerais e. leimakos hêdonais E.Ba. 866 (lyr.); tois choroisin e. to sport in the dance, Ar.Th.975

We are SAVED by the life and teachings of Jesus Christ (only).  We are REDEEMED by the Cross which was to repudiate, silence and burn up the sacrificial system which in all nations was an attempt to SILENCE their god's and replace their own.

Music derives from "mystery" which means "to silence the voice of the victim."  In the case of Jesus it was to "make the Lamb dumb before the slaughter priest."  In Greek systems the priest was the HERETIC which choose and lifted up the lamb to cut its throat.  The musicians served the PRIESTS and not the gods by driving the animals into silent submission: they were called PARASITES.


Why Church of Christ Clergy fall into fatal musical idolatry as at Mount Sinai.

Acts 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us
The Church in the wilderness was:
H6951 qâhâl kaw-hawl From H6950 ; assemblage (usually concretely):—assembly, company, congregation, multitude.
Stephen used the word:
G1577 ekklēsia ek-klay-see'-ah From a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564 ; a calling out, that is, (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both):—assembly, church.
Therefore, the Qahal or synagogue has the same religious meaning as ekklesia (a civic meeting) or Church.

The Holy Convocation was inclusive of Rest, Reading and Rehearsing the Word: what you do in a school of the Bible.

Num. 10:2 Make thee two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly [h5712 Edah] , and for the journeying of the camps. [h4150 moed congregation]
    Neh. 8:8 So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.
    "Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent. Acts 13:26  
     For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him (Setting Him at Nought). Acts 13:27

Acts 13:15 And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day

2Cor. 3:14 But their minds were blinded: 
        for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away
        in the reading of the old testament;
        which vail is done away in Christ.
2Cor. 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
2Cor. 3:16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
2Cor. 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
2Cor. 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

2Pet. 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy;
        whereunto ye do well that ye take heed,
        as unto a light that shineth in a dark place,
        until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
2Pet. 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture
        is of any private interpretation.

1Tim. 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to [public] reading, to exhortation, to doctrine. 
The Qahal or Church of Christ existed in the wilderness and never changed until the Lord's Supper was added as an act of evangelism.

This is still a popular name for synagogues.  The ekklesia Stephen used in Acts 7 is equivalent to Qahal or synagogue. This is also why most people cannot find the synagogue before the Return. The Holy Convocation which came to be every rest day was to READ and REHEARSE the Word of God. That never changed and was exampled by Jesus and commanded by the ekklesia word.
John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

John 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
Jesus showed up on the very next first day of the week to SYNAGOGUE.  That might establish a pattern.
Matt. 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Acts 14:27 When they had arrived, and had gathered the assembly together, they reported all the things that God had done with them, and that he had opened a door of faith to the Gentiles.
Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

1Cor. 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, you being gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
1Cor. 5:5 are to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

G4863 sunagō soon-ag'-o From G4862 and G71 ; to lead together, that is, collect or convene; specifically to entertain (hospitably):—+ accompany, assemble (selves, together), bestow, come together, gather (selves together, up, together), lead into, resort, take in.
Synagogue is a duplicated form:
G4864 sunagogē soon-ag-o-gay' From (the reduplicated form of) G4863 ; an assemblage of persons; specifically a Jewish “synagogue” (the meeting or the place); by analogy a Christian church:—assembly, congregation, synagogue.
1Cor. 11:18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
Come Together:
G4905  sunerchomai soon-er'-khom-ahee From G4862 and G2064 ; to convene, depart in company with, associate with, or (specifically) cohabit (conjugally):—accompany, assemble (with), come (together), come (company, go) with, resort
In the Church. The ekklesia was an assembly of mature citizens for DISCUSSION ONLY.  The ekklesia is the name of the qualified group as well as the place as in Church house.  The civil ekklesia met roughly weekly.  It elected an elder as "contact man" for the year and paid some small fee in the Greek world. It had no function until the "next appointed hour."  The contact elder in the church as ekklesia received mail, visitors and made sure that no need was not met.
G1577 ekklēsia ek-klay-see'-ah From a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564 ; a calling out, that is, (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both):—assembly, church.
Heb. 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
G1997 episunagogē ep-ee-soon-ag-o-gay' From G1996 ; a complete collection; specifically a Christian meeting (for worship):—assembling (gathering) together

G1996 episunagō ep-ee-soon-ag'-o From G1909 and G4863 ; to collect upon the same place:—gather (together).

G4863 sunagō soon-ag'-o From G4862 and G71 ; to lead together, that is, collect or convene; specifically to entertain (hospitably):—+ accompany, assemble (selves, together), bestow, come together, gather (selves together, up, together), lead into, resort, take in.

Ekklesia mistranslated as church was a civic body and we know what was inclusive and what was exclusive in great details
James 2:1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
James 2:2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;

James 2:2ASV, BBE, Darbey, YNG,  For if there come into your synagogue a man with a gold ring, in fine clothing, and there come in also a poor man in vile clothing;
G4864  sunagōgē soon-ag-o-gay' From (the reduplicated form of) G4863 ; an assemblage of persons; specifically a Jewish “synagogue” (the meeting or the place); by analogy a Christian church:—assembly, congregation, synagogue.
James 2:3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
James 2:4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
The synagogue was also a Greek Civic group used of the Hebrew assembly and we know absolutely what was inclusive and exclusive.

None of these were worship assemblies but for the reading and discussion (even debate) of "that which is written" always by a higher authority.  It's sole function is to make known the manifold wisdom of God where the Lord's Supper is an act of evangelism.

That's why arguing the fine points of legalism proves that most of us missed the point and most have no intention of getting it.

There was never a "praise service" in the ekklesia or synagogue of Christ by direct command and minimal reverence for the sole role of reading and learning the Word of God.


2 Chronicles 29
is used by many who would love to add music and musicians to worship.  However, under the guidance of the NACC Rick Atchley preached that God commanded instrumental praise and we should not disobey.  Apparently he is so convinced that he thanks that God hating sowers of discord does not apply to him.
Most preachers miss the fact that the Bible is a history of the Hebrew people: it is not a hostory of the universe nor is it a legalistic patternism for Christian worship.  As such it has the same TWO THREADS as any other national history--inspired or otherwise.

The Civil-Military-Priestly thread was assigned to the tribe of Levi. But, Jacob warned us not to attend the assemblies of Levi.

The Spiritual Thread was commanded as the Qahal, synagogue or Church in the wilderness: since it was ordained by Christ it was The Church of Christ.
This was INCLUSIVE of REST, reading and rehearsing the word: it was Bible class only.
This was EXCLUSIVE of vocal or instrumental Rejoicing.  This outlawed vocal and instrumental rejoicing was performed by the Levites as an old pagan cult in Egypt. Jacob could have warned you about that.

See John Calvin's writings.

The Civil-Military-Priestly thread offered all of the sacrifices for Judah and the remaining godly tribe without any instrumental noise.

Because Israel had been lost and refused to participate they offered BURNT OFFERINGS: only during this burning time did the Priests blow trumpets and the Levites played the instruments "ordained by David."

the Spiritual thread under Christ through Jeremiah reminds us of the obvious that God DID NOT COMMAND burnt offerings or sacrifices when the people had been "baptized" and had the Spirit pillar guiding them on safe ground.  It is scholarly opinion that the Civil-Military-Priestly thread added this to try to eleminate HUMAN BURNT OFFERINGS to Molech. This human burnt offerings began as soon as Manasseh took contro.

Therefore, the PROOF text Rick AtchleY has let loose on a few others is a VIRTUAL human sacrifice.
Edward Fudge GracEmail: Death of a Distinctive? For about 150 years there is been a death wish on those who will not begin to add instruments when they have never used instruments for these 2,000 years. As far as I can detect it was the Disciples of Christ who uncovered the word PSALLO in 1878 as the first effort to AUTHORIZE that which everyone had rejected. This word too has the primary meaning of MAKING WAR and in a secondary sense shooting real arrows or shooting out love arrows.  There is another word which would have to be used to indicate singing and playing a harp: the bible never uses one of those.
Edward Fudge: Death of a Distinctive.  Edward Fudge looks forward to the death of what he falsely calls a cappella which is called "congregational singing." He assumes that "they" will probably leave a few ignorant of the Bible and the "unity" principle to just keep singing without instruments.  I don't know how to say it other than to say that these people have no trouble just lifting raw assertions from their bonded buddies and subconsciously or unconsciously lie about all of the Bible.  
If you make a claim that is false intending to deliberately slander and hurt people that is called a lie: John lumps speakers, singers and instrument players as liars then heaped up with "dogs" and liars who will go into the lake of fire.  I think I understand why such people deny what the Bible teaches about hell.

Jay Guin and friends Endorse Danny Corbitts false teaching about the Bible and History on instruments. I have decided to back up to the beginning to show that the INSTRUMENT was God's universal MARK of those who had Profaned His REST DAY and were therefore TURNED OVER TO WORSHIP THE STARRY HOST.  If Jay Guin sees the WORSHIP of the starry host as a PATTERNISM for the ekklesia, synagogue or school of the Bible then we can understand why the appeal to the church fathers. However, he is absolutely wrong and has not read the Church fathers.  I have posted most of the MUSIC writings where they DO condemn David's abandonment to STAR WORSHIP by pointing to the common knowledge of pagan worship where music was to subdue the mind or spirit by creating  the "spiritual anxiety through religious rituals" which was the laded burden SILENCED by Jesus along with the burden laders where all musicians including the sacrificial exorcists were called PARASITES.
REVIEW PART TWO: See on the Synagogue which began as the Church of Christ in the wilderness.

I.  As evil type the Jews engaged in musical idolatry at Mount Sinai

        A. As a remedy the tribe of Levi whom Jacob had warned about were abandoned to worship the starry host.
        B. Christ ordained the Qahal, ekklesia, synagogue or church in the wilderness.

II. As evil anti-type the Jews would treat the Son of God in the same way: this is prophesied in great detail to prove that they would attack him in the style of the perverted musical mockers.

          A. The Prophecy of the perverse, musical attack against the Son.

B. As a remedy Jesus promised to build HIS ekklesia or synagogue. That continues the Synagogue which never had a "praise service" but was devoted to the Word of God--only.  It would be empowered by His Spirit in His Word. Jesus patterned, Paul taught and commanded and the historic church was faithful for almost 400 years when singing as an ACT was added.

The stumbling stone is that almost no one sees church as a school of the Bible but as a "worship service" which is patterned on the fatal pattern of the tribe of Levi.  That is why lost souls lust to live under the Law.

REVIEW NUMBER THREE: Danny Corbitt beats up on Dr. Everett Ferguson on Psalmus.
You need two words to PLAY the HARP. If you sing TO a harp you need a compound word: PsalmOidia
Is. 23:15 And it shall come to pass in that day, that Tyre
        [the singing and playing prostitute in the garden of Eden]
        shall be forgotten seventy years, according to the days of one king:
        after the end of seventy years shall Tyre sing as an harlot.
What is the song of the prostitute?
Is. 23:16 Take an [1] harp, go about the city, thou harlot that hast been forgotten;
        make sweet [2] melody, [3] sing many songs, that thou mayest be remembered.
Is. 23:17 And it shall come to pass after the end of seventy years, that the LORD will visit Tyre, and she shall turn to her hire, and shall commit fornication with all the kingdoms of the world upon the face of the earth.

Amos 5:23 Take thou away from me the noise of thy [1] songs; for I will not hear the [2] melody of thy [3] viols.
You need a COMPOUND word to sing and play an instrument. The Greek has and the spirit knew a separate compound word for each instrument.  NONE OF THESE ARE USED IN THE BIBLE.
REVIEW NUMBER FOUR:  The word psallo in the Septuagint was translated only to SING. If the psallo word is used in connection with an instrument then the instrument is named.  Corbitt and all of those promoting discord take a snippet out of context and read it while ignoring the semicolon. Thayer interprets its list of how psallo was used and defines it as singing in the church just as it is usually translated in the Greek Old Testament if there is no instrument in the context.
Missing More than Music: buy the book

Royce Ogle  5.14.09

Whatever method you emply to reach an unbiblical conclusion is faulty. The problem as I see it is more centered on the flawed men rather than a bad method.

If every coC preacher/elder really believed that becoming a child of God or staying in that relationship does not depend on good works“do” as Christians. We can never forget that many of these incorrect conclusions that have been reached over the years are “salvation issues” to many. there would not be such a focus on what we

Royce is well-travelled to be able to judge all of the preachers and elders in perhaps 18000 congregations. To anyone who honors Christ in Spirit who prophesied Baptism as God's way to CLEANSE us in Isaiah and Malachi; and who believes in the direct association Jesus etal made between baptism and the REMISSION OF SINS; and can find no historic exception, one MIGHT concluded that baptism FOR or in order to the remission sins means what the text says?

No reader of the Bible can fail to see that MUSIC is always Satan's way to prevent people from honoring the Words of God from Genesis to Revelation and including ALL of the historic scholars and founders of denominations could even HALLUCINATE that NOT beginning to use machines to do WORSHIP was not added by false conclusions.

Honoring Christ by wearing His name has the Bible and ALL historic scholarship to back it.


True: but, a disciple of Christ who is a STUDENT of Christ through the Bible is not bound to REACH conclusions "beyond the sacred page." The direct command was to REST, Read the Word and Rehearse or discuss it in the Church in the wilderness. Nehemiah 8 describes exactly what is and what is NOT allowed for the synagogue or Church of Christ in the wilderness. h4744.Miqra

Neh. 8:17 And all the congregation of them that were come again out of the captivity made booths,
        and sat under the booths: for since the days of Jeshua the son of Nun
        unto that day had not the children of Israel done so. And there was very great gladness.

This is the same Qahal, synagogue or church in the wilderness: the Holy Convocation included Rest, Reading and meditating on the Word.  It EXCLUDED both vocal and instrumental rejoicing. This was the Law of Moses ANTITITHICAL to the Sacrificial system: God never changed that.

6951. Qahal kaw-hawl´; from 6950; assemblage (usually concretely):—assembly, company, congregation, multitude.

This was the national assembly for everyone: people always assembled in their local synagogues where.

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city
        them that preach him,
        being read in the synagogues
        every sabbath day
Noticed that the SOLEMN ASSEMBLIES or HOLY CONVOCATIONS were held on the FIRST and EIGHT days.
Neh. 8:18 Also day by day, from the first day unto the last day, he read in the book of the law of God.
        And they kept the feast seven days; and on the eighth day was a solemn assembly,
        according unto the manner.
Solemn is h1902 is to indicate solemnity of movement, meditation, solemn sound. from 1897: ponder, imagine, meditate, study, talk, utter 1900 musing, meditation, ponder, study
Assembly: Inclose, hold back, maintain, rule, keep self close, restrain.



Behold, we are servants this day, [and so are you]
        and for the land that thou gavest unto our fathers to eat the fruit thereof and the good thereof,
        behold, we are servants in it: Neh 9:36

And it yieldeth 
        much increase unto the kings whom thou hast set over us 
        because of our sins:
        also they have dominion over our bodies, and over our cattle,
        at their pleasure
        and we are in great distress. Neh 9:37

        They have sown wheat, but shall reap thorns
        they have put themselves to pain, but shall not profit: 
        and they shall be ashamed of your revenues
        because of the
fierce anger of the Lord. Je.12:13

Royce Ogle applauds Jay Guin who applauds Edward Fudge for setting the Church of Christ straight on FELLOWSHIP and instrumental music by appealing to Carl Ketcherside.  However, they misrepresent a dead man.  Carl made it perfectly clear that it was the instrumentalists who deliberately sowed discord.  While Carl would not pass judgment on them he would NOT join one of their churches and fellowship instrumental music.  While Carl seems even kinder than Jesus or Paul his description of what the instrumentalists have done and TRIED to force everyone to do would seem to be without redemption:
  1. The employment of instrumental music in the public worship of God introduces an element unauthorized by our King, and therefore, constitutes P, which is condemned by the Holy Spirit.
  2. The use of instrumental music in public praise service is actually ritualism, and to that extent, is a departure from the simplicity which should characterize those who profess to be followers of the meek and lowly one.

Paul in Colossians 2 would make that a sin without redemption.

Col 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

Col 2:19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.

Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

In a voluntary humility (qelwn en tapeinofrosunh). Render delighting in humility. This rendering is well supported by Septuagint usage. See 1 Sam. xviii. 22; 2 Sam. xv. 26; 1 Kings x. 9; 2 Chronicles ix. 8. 200 It falls in, in the regular participial series, with the other declarations as to the vain conceit of the teachers; signifying not their purpose or their wish to deprive the Christians of their reward, but their vain enthusiasm for their false doctrine, and their conceited self-complacency which prompted them to sit as judges. The worship of angels involved a show of humility, an affectation of superior reverence for God, as shown in the reluctance to attempt to approach God otherwise than indirectly: in its assumption that humanity, debased by the contact with matter, must reach after God through successive grades of intermediate beings. For humility, see on Matt. xi. 29.

Worship of angels (qrhskeia). See on religious, Jas. i. 26. Defining the direction which their humility assumed. The usage of the Septuagint and of the New Testament limits the meaning to the external aspects of worship. Compare Acts xxvi. 5; Jas. i. 27.

Paul is specificially pointing to those who would use DAVID as their authority for music:

Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers,
he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink,
or in
respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ

Royce Ogle   Romans 4 and many, many other passages stand in stark condridiction to what most coC folks teach.

Because the Baptist Calvinists are identified as a "distinctly American Gnostic religion with no connection to the historic church" Harold Bloom, we know that BELIEVER'S BAPTISM is because your sins have already been washed way.  This is the ancient pagan view of Apollo, Abbadon or Apollyon who was the father of musical harmony, the subject of many of the psallo or plucking passages, the father of homosexual worship and of thieves and liars taught (as did Nimrod) that "morals could be regenerated by external means." Therefore, the charismatic or sexual arousal created by religious ritualism was the PROOF that people had been WASHED and baptism was just to PROVE it.  Click for Pagan Believer's baptism.

Royce Ogle therefore reads BITS of Romans 4 but if he looked where Paul pointed he would see that God does not IMPUTE righteousness based on THE LAW OF MOSES but He DOES impute righteousness only to those who obey His commands and walk according to His laws.

CLICK FOR ROMANS 4. and Paul pointing to the FALL FROM GRACE in chapter 1 at Mount Sinai BECAUSE of musical idolatry of the always-pagan trinity.

Jay Guin: Lessons on Grace: Scruples, Romans 14

The use of Romans 14 speaking of the practices in the MARKETPLACE and limited ONLY to DIET and HOLIDAYS is used to DEFEND the use of Instrumental Music in the synagogue or church.  He also defines the STRONG as those SECTS which have NOTHING of private opinion to TRUMP the Word of God.  The WEAK are they whiners who PLEAD that the instrumentalists should give up INSTRUMENTS because the FAITHFUL are so miserably weak.  Jay and others has INVERTED Romans 14-15 which OUTLAWED private opininions in the assembly and SPECIFICIALL outlaws all of the PERFORMING ARTS: not even simple Billy Bob needs a LAW to be quiet when Jesus comes to be out ONLY teacher through the word.

Jay Guin and the gang of about a dozen defends the use of instrumental music and defines The Church of Christ's practice for 2,000 years apparently worthy of--in the words of Dwayne E. Dunning SUBJECTS of "taking an axe to." Nothing could be more destructive and judmental than the use of the Greek word PSALLO to claim that God commands that we use instruments.  Jay appeals to the simple Lexicon and his Phd friends to define Psalmos.  I have collected most of the out of context passages here.

Lynn Anderson on the Word Psallo or Psalmos Number One.

Lynn Anderson on the Word Psallo or Psalmos Number Two.

Click for what I believe is the collected list (not in order) of those passages used by Lynn Anderson and family to fool the Oak Hills into adopting Max Lucado's IMAGE to remove Christ from their confession and ADD instrumental music so the female misleaders can perform.

This will be HOMEPAGE for some of the teachings I believe prove that Biblical Scholarship fits the patternism of Jesus who said that "doctors of the Law take away the key to knowledge."  He marked the Scribes and Pharasees as hypocrites by pointing to Isaiah and Ezekiel who lists "slick speakers, singers and instrument players."  All of the Greek culture identified the performing arts as that of the HYPOCRITES and John etal even called them sorcerers.

Scruples http://oneinjesus.info/2008/03/24/in-response-to-an-email-re-instrumental-music/

Gary Cummings, on May 11th, 2009 at 7:09 am Said:

Tom Olbricht wrote an important book about the history of interpretation in the COC. He concluded that the COC gets its hermeneutic directly from Zwingli. Zwingli was good about binding the silence of Scripture, as well as drowning Anabaptists!

Olbricht wrote a lot of things which were not based on the REAL people like Luther and Zwingli: I have reviewed his review of the Declaration and Address and where he rawly asserts something to make his point, but I have quoted the CONTEXT and linked to the real people.

You may click here to understand that because Jesus warned that "doctors of the Law take way the key to knowledge" you can READ and see that MARK to warn you NOT to be deluded. Not only do the MISuse the Bible and most of recorded history but actually INVERT them to fit a previous INVERTED set of RULES for the Bible but not for what they write.

You have to grasp that the historic group calling itself The Church of Christ including the Apostolic Constitutions knew of no MUSICAL authority (c. 205) nor did any historic church go so legalistic that they did not grasp that you need no legalism if you grasp point 101aaa: that the people assembled ONLY as a school of the Bible. The constitutions saw musicians as they were universally understood and they could NOT be part of the Church of Christ wiithout a lot of teaching and repenting.

The Catholics did not do MUSIC but chanted or cantillated as did the Jews and as Paul commanded using the word SPEAK. While a church council OUTLAWED self composed songs which were for private use only, the new Gregory chants were adopted from the Egyptians as the Israelites brought the same practice out of Egypt. That “ran the gamut” which was the worship of “Gamut.:-)

Hislop notes that Now the name of Linus or Osiris, as the "husband of his mother," in Egypt, was Kamut (BUNSEN). When Gregory the Great introduced into the Church of Rome what are now called the Gregorian Chants,

he got them from the Chaldean mysteries, which had long been established in Rome;

for the Roman Catholic priest, Eustace, admits that these chants were largely composed of "Lydian and Phrygian tunes" (Classical Tour), Lydia and Phrygia being among the chief seats in later times of those mysteries, of which the Egyptian mysteries were only a branch. (i.e. Barbarians)

These tunes were sacred–the music of the great god, and in introducing them Gregory introduced the music of Kamut. And thus, to all appearance, has it come to pass, that the name of Osiris or Kamut, “the husband of the mother,”

is in every-day use among ourselves as the name of the musical scale; for what is the melody of Osiris, consisting of the “seven vowels” formed into a hymn, but–the Gamut?

This was the PLAY or MUSICAL IDOLATRY at Mount Sinai

This defines the Child in Assyria: it is important that the REASON Hell was created was for Lucifer or Satan and all SHE could seduce with wind, string and percussion instruments. In Isaiah 30 the MARKS of God driving His enemies into strong delusions with "lying wondlers" was all of the musical arts and crafts.  Click for Isaiah 30 and the GOD of the musical deceivers.

While the diverted Reformation claims that they restored congregational singing they knew very well that no one had ever performed a WORSHIP RITUAL using congregational singing with the organ to accompany it: the 1911 Catholic Encyclopedia still outlawed it.

The PEOPLE who had attended the Cathedrals for PERFORMANCES wanted the PSALMS-ONLY put to music. Men like Calvin slowly agreed but the PROOF which will stand up in the COURTS of heaven is that they understood the commands to “use that which is written” and “psalms, hymns and spiritual songs” were FORMS of the book of Psalms, to mean ONLY the Biblical text. The proof that no one practiced congregational singing of the authorized Biblical text lies in the fact that the SPIRITUAL WORD is without METER (as the word most often means). Therefore, the Psalms–only–had to be radically RECOMPOSED to make the ACT of singing remotely POSSIBLE. At that time no one thought of singing the prose which was always CANTILLATED which is NOT musical.

Alexander Campbell fell radically from the Presbyterians undoubtedly because he had a SONG BOOK to sell while he repudiated paying young men for writing and delivering sermons.

Therefore, Zwingli objected to the ritualistic ACT of singing because it had no Biblical authority, violated the purpose of teaching, and had no CASE LAW to authorize it. Therefore, Zwingli was faithful to the historic grasp of church being SCHOOL and it was a reluctant Calvin who bowed to the popular practices still disturbing the WORSHIP TIME in the cathedrals now OWNED by the State and used by everyone.

No discording “scholar” from the once-Christian colleges ever quotes from the SOURCES or “cherry picks” them: I doubt that you could get an advanced degree (about 212 F) without quoting the previous “scholarly” works.

Zwingl did not INTRODUCE any new “hermeneutic” (derived from Hermes who is the declared LOGOS of the changelings) but refused to CONFORM to the radical departures of the Restoration. However, NONE of them failed to grasp the mark of the INSTRUMENTS.

Hermaêneuô [hermêneus]

I. to interpret foreign tongues,
II. to interpret, put into words, give utterance to, Thuc., etc.
2. to explain,

The Private Interpretation OUTLAWS the word.

Hermês Hermes, the Lat. Mercurius, son of Maia and Zeus; messenger of the gods (diaktoros); giver of good luck (eriounios, akakêta ); god of all secret dealings, cunning, and stratagem (dolios); bearing a golden rod (chrusorrapis ); conductor of defunct spirits (psuchopompos, pompaios ); tutelary god of all arts, of traffic, markets, roads (agoraios, empolaios, hodios, enodios ), and of heralds. His bust, mounted on a four-cornered pillar, was used to mark boundaries. –Proverb., koinos Hermês shares in your luck! [And your body] Theophr.: cf. hermaion

That is why Jesus consigned the Pipers, Singers and Dancers to the Agora or Marketplace and why “corrupting the Word” means “selling learning at RETAIL.

And the god of the MARKETPLACE where Jesus consigned all of the pipers, singers and dancers.

When you see Jochin and Boaz or a church steeple it is a HERMES: a pillar often with a red head of Hermes on top: the symbol and the WORD has an affect image in the words of Joseph Campbell. Watch out.

He is Jubal and family in the Bible and Ea and Genun in the Babylonian tablets.

The ROD is that which Jesus forbade the disciples to take with them as preachers. Otherwise, the rod of Hermes would make people believe that a god had arrived.  You will probably find some clothing style or speech patterns which exudes sanctity.

dolios adj1 ad crafty, deceitful, treacherous, Od., Trag.
1 conductor of souls, of Charon, Eur.
1 [pompê]

I. escorting, conveying, ouros a fair wind [winds of change]

oros 1 a mountain, hill, Hom., etc.; pl. ourea, id=Hom.

II. of Hermes, who escorted the souls of the dead,  

Word with similar meaning

Diglôssos , Att. di-ttos , on, speaking two languages,, diglôssos, ho, interpreter,  

II. double-tongued, deceitful, LXXSi.5.9, al.

Hupophêtês , ou, ho, ( [phêmi] ) suggester, interpreter, expounder, esp. of the divine will or judgement, e.g. priest who declares an oracle, Il.16.235; Mousaôn [Rev 18:22] hupophêtai, i.e. poets,  

The musical mistresses are MUSES and they and their male counterpart claim that their songs and delivery are inspired and can CONDUCT YOUR SOUL into the presence of God.

Carl Ketcherside twisted with no one to correct.

Unity in Diversity by Jay Guin who thanks Edward Fudge for some misinformation. 

What the new ANTIism misses when they appeal to Carl Ketcherside was that he was violently opposed to both INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC and the LOCATED PREACHER.   Because Carl was a free agent and did not beg from widows to eat, he could "fellowship" anyone whatever SINFUL practice they introduced.
As usual, Carl was taking his AXE against the JOURNALS who always stirred up the fires.  Ketcherside wrote more on Instrumental music and since Jay Guin is using him to defend INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC I think his "jury will all be hung" like Judas whose bag was "for carrying the mouthpieces of wind instruments.  

Royce, on May 10th, 2009 at 3:17 pm Applauds:

Excellent! The so called “brotherhood” gave him hell for telling the truth but he did tell it as long as he was able. Thank God for such men of courage.

Today, I think there are many men who think just as Ketcherside did but don’t have the guts to voice it for fear of being “disfellowshiped” or making an elder, or some indluencial member angry.

I think when we just go along to get along we are akin to someone who helps to enable the bad habit of a family member. All of us should tell the truth by speaking the truth in love.

The TRUTH is that there are several passages that prove that HELL was prepared to burn the deceivers and all who could be deceived by the instruments as the MARK of the beasts people.

I will post some more TRUE Ketcherside who wrote:
  1. Instrumental music in the corporate worship stands athwart our path in the attempt to promote the unity of all believers in the Christ. The most memorable address I ever heard on the topic was delivered at the graduation exercises of the Presbyterian College in Belfast, Ireland, in 1951. The reverend doctor spoke on "Instrumental Music in Public Worship Is a Sin." I have read more than a score of books on the subject by scholarly men not connected with the movement which grew out of the restoration effort launched by Thomas and Alexander Campbell. These were all vehement in their opposition. Our plea will be nullified in many areas if some persist in use of the instrument. Dare we love that which is not essential more than we do the souls of men?
  2. The introduction of the instrument created division. Whether those who introduced it, those who opposed it, or both, were to blame for the division which resulted is not now the question. Before it was brought in, brethren worshiped and did so acceptably as all admit, and such worship was unified; after it was introduced division came as a result. Regardless of whether worship was thus polluted or corrupted as some charge, we can return to our original status and be acceptable and be together if there are no other barriers. It is hardly conceivable that a division can be healed unless we return to the source and remove the original cause.
  3. A genuine restoration, complete in details, of the primitive pattern of public worship will find the instrument excluded from use. It is our conviction that no one can show that it was employed in the congregations planted by the apostles, and this conviction has been reached after careful examination of all available material on the subject.
  4. The employment of instrumental music in the public worship of God introduces an element unauthorized by our King, and therefore, constitutes will worship, which is condemned by the Holy Spirit.
  5. The use of instrumental music in public praise service is actually ritualism, and to that extent, is a departure from the simplicity which should characterize those who profess to be followers of the meek and lowly one.
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