Jay Guin Dancing in Worship

11.07.16  Plutarch affirmed that Dionysus was one of the gods of the Jews and the anticipated Messiah. That is why they PIPED hoping that Jesus would lament or sing and dance as a result of their initiation to the ALWAYS Gay Priesthood.  He also wrote defining why Paul SILENCED both the ODE and PSALLO in Ephesus when Antony visited:

XXIV. But when he was once come into Asia, having left Lucius Censorinus governor in Greece, and that he had felt the riches and pleasures of the east parts, and that princes, great lords, and kings, came to wait at his gate for his coming out: and that queens and princesses, to excel one another, gave him very rich presents,

        and came to see him, curiously setting forth themselves,
        and using all art that might be to shew their beauty,
        to win his favour the more (Caesar in the mean space turmoiling [troubling] his wits and body
        in civil Wars at home,
        Antonius living merrily and quietly abroad), he easily fell again to his old licentious life.

For straight, [The pattern]
        one Anaxenor, a player of the cithern [guitarist],
        Xoutus, a player of the flute,
        Metrodorus a tumbler, [orkhēstēs DANCER - Jay's Pattern
        and such a rabble of minstrels and
        FIT ministers for the pleasures of Asia [thia^s-os  Bacchic revel, routMousōn]
                (who in fineness and flattery passed all the other plagues
                he brought with him out of Italy),
                all these flocked in his court, and bare the whole sway: and after that all went awry.

For every one gave themselves to riot and excess, when they saw he delighted in it: and all Asia was like to the city Sophocles speaketh of in one of his tragedies:

        Was full of sweet perfumes and pleasant songs,  [The church invaders]
        With woeful weeping mingled there-amongs.       [Those being invaded]
Eph. 5:17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the WILL of the Lord is.
Eph. 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:
        the WORDS that I speak unto you, they are SPIRIT, and they are life.

For in the city of Ephesus, WOMEN, attired as they go in the feasts and sacrifice of [Dionysus] Bacchus, [Wrath or Orgy]
        came out to meet him with such solemnities and ceremonies
        as are then used: with men and children disguised like fauns and satyrs.
        [Pans, Cappellas, Definition of Beasts]

Moreover, the city was full of ivy, and darts [SHAKEN REEDS]
        wreathed about with ivy, [HIDING A SPEAR]
        psalterions , flutes, and howboyes [hautboys]; [Oboe]
        and in their songs they called him Bacchus, father of mirth, courteous and gentle
                and so was he unto some,
                but to the most part of men cruel and extreme. [Savage]

That is why SPEAK excludes Singing or Instruments as Anti-Logos and Anti-Christ
These are the BEASTS of Revelation and the MARKERS. This is the PATTERN MARKED by music as ONLY PLEASURE, of the PROGRESSIVES

For he robbed noblemen and gentlemen of their goods, [lied about tithes and offerings]
        to give it unto vile flatterers: [Religious staff were known as Parasites]
        who oftentimes begged living men's goods
        as though they had been dead,
        and would enter their houses by force. [Congregation: been there, done to three times]
                As he gave a citizen's house of Magnesia unto a cook,
                because (as it is reported) he dressed him a fine supper.
                In the end he doubled the taxation, and imposed a second upon Asia.

8.14.16 Paul always reveals the ANTITHESIS of the Pagan religion quite parallel to JEWISH FABLES.  That is the way to separate the CHAFF by the baptism of spirit (wind) and fire for the final end of those FOREORDAINED according to Jude who uses the pattern of the instrumental-trinitarian-perverted idolatry which sealed the doom of the "Jew's" promise.

All of Scripture including Paul insists that BOTH men and women be peaceable and QUIET.
The men were to be silent because THEY permitted the women and effeminate to fall into wrath or an ORGY.  An orgy is any religious observation--to which the kingdom does not come--engaging in rhetoric, singing or playing instruments which always leads to an outbreak of strong decious sexual feelings.

The women were to be SILENT because they always claimed that their musical arousal of the males was the "gods" speaking to them and not to males. All of the women-silent passages is to stop the now-verified rise of the women and boys (effeminate) ruling over the male in once-Christian universities and all "progressive" pseudo churches.

The reason that Paul said NEITHER male nor female and not BOTH male and female is for the one-piece pattern for the once-a-week REST or SCHOOL assembly.

1Tim. 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Ephesians 4 being SAFE by grace through faith is FROM the religious observations now RESTORED by the Progressives who are ANTI-LOGOS or Regulative Principle and therefore ANTI-CHRIST.

1Ti 2:2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that WE may lead a QUIET and PEACABLE life in all GODLINESS and HONESTY [gravity].
hēsukh-ios , A , quiet, at rest, “hēsukhion d' ara min polemou ekpempeIl.21.598; “eirēnaPi.P.9.22; also in Prose, tropon . of a quiet disposition, more reposefulh.Merc.438, Pl.Tht.179e.
You cannot use rhetoric or music to SPEAK God's word through Jesus only as the LOGOS allerting any and all DISCIPLES OF CHRIST to flee from those using Apollo's harp provided by KAIROS as Paul warned in Ephesians 4 LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE.

Hermes or KAIROS (the
Jubal story) slaughtered a turtle to make a lyre while an infant. He used the LYRE to force Apollo's cattle to walk backward like modern "sheep stealers." Sacrificing a turtle to make a harp was because the flesh was powerful against witchcraft. Apollon-Abaddon is the only personified "spirit" and He is the father of the muses or locusts as his "musical worship team."  God outlawed private interpretation or "further expounding" and selling bodies as religious performers.  the New Hermeneutic teaches that HERMES-KAIROS was the LOGOS John spoke about. Hermes or Kairos were demon son gods and definen the Devil as adversaries of "that which is written for our learning."
HH 4  To Hermes, Mercury parallel to KAIROS the demon son of Zeus:
[1] Muse, sing of Hermes, the son of Zeus and Maia, lord of Cyllene and Arcadia rich in flocks, the luck-bringing messenger of the immortals
        whom Maia bare, the rich-tressed nymph,
        when she was joined in love with Zeus,
[5] —a shy goddess, for she avoided the company of the blessed gods, and lived within a deep, shady cave. There the son [Zeus] of Cronos
Saturn    4. Kronion, to, = delphinion,  a temple of Apollo at Athens  Delphinios phi^,
            ho, epith. of Apollo, h.Ap.495III. Delphinia, ta, festival of Apollo D., Sch.Pi.O.13.15

Paul cast out the Pythian Spirit:
Pi.O.13.15 [15] for your consummate excellence when you won in sacred contests, and often into the hearts of men the Seasons rich in flowers have cast ancient inventiveness. But the fame for every work is due to its inventor. Whence did the graces of Dionysus first come to light, with the ox-driving dithyramb? [20] Who invented the bridle for the harness of horses, or placed the double king of birds on top of the temples of gods? 
        And in Corinth the sweet-breathing Muse blossoms, and also Ares, with the deadly spears of young men. Highest lord [25] of Olympia, ruling far and wide; for all time, father Zeus, may you be ungrudging of our words, and ruling this people in safety, grant a straight course to the fair wind of Xenophon's good fortune. Receive the ordained song of praise in honor of his garlands, the procession which he leads from the plains of Pisa,
        Each thing has its limit; knowing it is the best and most timely [KAIROS] way. And I, sailing on my own course for the common good, [50] and singing of the wisdom and the battles of ancient men in their heroic excellence, shall not falsify the story of Corinth
Notes to 13: the wealth of the family is shown by Xenophon's vow to consecrate a hundred hetairai as hierodouloi to Aphrodite, which liberality Pindar's ergatis Moisa did not fail to glorify
ERGATIS selidōn, of poetesses, ib.9.26.8 (Antip. Thess.); Kupridos, of courtesans, working at or producing,mnēmēn hapantōn mousomētor' ergatin”[Mother of all Arts or PROFESSIONS such as musicians]

Kupris  Venus or Eve a beautiful girl II. as Appellat., love, passion, E.Ba.773; “Kuprin hupharpazeinAr.Ec.722
noēsai: Sc. to metron. So the Schol.: touto de auto noēsai to tēs summetrias eukairon te esti kai ariston. The central thought of the poem. Cf. Hes. O. et. D. 694:metra phulassesthai: kairos d' epi pasin aristos” .
God BREATHED (not a spirit person) Without Measure, Metron or Meter.  The words to MARK are always SPEAK or READ the Word or Regulative Principle. God supplied no tuneful METER but Hermes-Kairos as the liar provided and provides the meter intended to deceive and steal even the cattle of Apollon who is the personified "spirit" and leader of his musical worship team.
used to lie with the rich-tressed nymph,
The nymphs were the brides in Revelation 18: along with the musicians and instrument players they performed the Sacred Marriage or HIERO GAMOS. This is the meaning or "Our male and female worship team can BRING you into the presence of God which is blasphemy.

The Wimbers of Fuller who supplies feminists professors as the Vineyard or Wineskins supplied by the New Style Praise song book.  The claim is that the music and create a sexual-like climax with God.

Worship: Intimacy with God John & Carol Wimber

Gen. 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, [a musical mark]
        and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.  [Paul said that Cain was OF that wicked one]
h582.  enowsh, en-oshe´; from 605; properly, a mortal (and thus differing from the more dignified 120);
Latin dominus as the Master of an estate who goes before the groom:
1John 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one,
        and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him?
        Because his own works were evil, and his brother’s righteous.

After the fall into instrumental-trinitarian-perverted idolatry at Mount Sinai, Moses wrote and inverted version of a Holy God in contrast to the "gods" defined by CAIN to whom God abandoned the people beyond redemption

Gen. 4:2 And she again bare his brother Abel.
        And Abel was a keeper of sheep,     [h7462 raah shepherd, friend of the lambs, feed]
        but Cain was a tiller of the ground.  
[h5647 Abad, bondage, same as Abaddon]
Agrĭcŏla  II. Meton., of the gods, patrons, tutelary deities of agriculture, as Ceres, Bacchus, Faunus, etc.: “agricolarum duces di,Varr. R. R. 1, 1, 4: “Redditur agricolis gratia caelitibus, [Rehearsing music go give BACK to Heaven.]

The Agriculturists depended on the rains and used prophesiers or musicians to perform rituals like rain dances claiming that their FERTILITY RITUALS could "increase the attendance and contributions."
dūco  3. A legal t. t., to take, lead away, drag, carry off a person before court, to prison, to punishment, c. To conduct as prisoners in a triumph: “per triumphum,
A. In gen., to lead, guide, draw, conduct: “ad strepitum citharae cessatum ducere curam,
hence, poet. also: “epos,Hor. S. 1, 10, 44: “carmen,Ov. Tr. 1, 11, 18; 3, 14, 32: “versus,
Cain was the father of Jubal:
Gen. 4:20 And Adah bare Jabal: he was the FATHER of such as dwell in tents, 
        and of such as have cattle.
Gen. 4:21 And his brother’s name was Jubal: he was the FATHER 
        of all such as handle the harp and organ.

There is a clear distinction between the productive workers and the musical performers who got paid for doing nothing of value.

h2986. yabal, yaw-bal´; a primitive root; properly, to flow; causatively, to bring (especially with pomp):—bring (forth), carry, lead (forth).
h2990.  yabbel, yab-bale´; from 2986; having running sores:

căno , cĕcĭni, cantum (ancient I.imp. cante = canite   to utter melodious notes, to sing, sound, play. Augur C. Transf., of the instruments by which, or (poet.) of the places in which, the sounds are produced, to sound, resound: “canentes tibiae,”Gen.  to sing, play, rehearse, recite:  Enchant

Organum Vitr. 10, 1.--Of musical instruments, a pipe,. Gen. 4, 21; id. 2 Par. 34, 12 et saep.--Of hydraulic engines, an organ, water-organ: organa hydraulica,
  [Ergô] I.work, 1. in Il. mostly of deeds of war, polemêïaerga, 3.a hard piece of work, a hard task, Il.: also, a shocking deed or act,
A. instrument, implement, tool, for making or doing a thing
3.musical instrument, ; met'ôidês kai tinôn organôn Phld.Mus.p.98K. ; of the pipe, Melanipp.2, Telest.1.2

unseen by deathless gods and mortal men, at dead of night while sweet sleep should hold white-armed Hera fast.
        [Hera is the Greek story of Eve who got a man from God.]

[10] And when the purpose of great Zeus was fulfilled, and the tenth moon with her was fixed in heaven,
        she was delivered and a notable thing was come to pass.
        For then she bare a son,
            of many shifts,
            blandly cunning, [Ephesians 4 lying in wait to deceive]
            a robber,
            a cattle driver,
            a bringer of dreams, [15]
            a watcher by night,
            a thief at the gates,
        one who was soon to show forth wonderful deeds among the deathless gods.
            Born with the dawning,
            at mid-day he played on the lyre,
            and in the evening he stole the cattle of far-shooting Apollo
            on the fourth day of the month;

[20] So soon as he had leaped from his mother's heavenly womb, he lay not long waiting in his holy cradle, but he sprang up and sought the oxen of Apollo. But as he stepped over the threshold of the high-roofed cave, he found a tortoise there and gained endless delight. [25] For it was Hermes who first made the tortoise a singer.

He took the lyre upon his left arm and tried each string in turn with the key [plēktrō OUTLAWED by Psallo], so that at his touch [PSALLO] [420] it sounded awesomely. And Phoebus Apollo laughed for joy; for the sweet throb of the marvellous music went to his heart, and a soft longing took hold on his soul as he listened

But Apollo was seized with a longing not to be allayed, [435] and he opened his mouth and spoke winged words to Hermes: “Slayer of oxen, trickster, busy one, comrade of the feast, this song of yours is worth fifty cows, and I believe that presently we shall settle our quarrel peacefully

In all of the silent women passages it is clear that only women claimed that in their music-induced madness (Cane Ridge) a "god" spoke to them. This was ECLUDED from the wilderness onward with a one-piece pattern.

The Church of Christ (the Rock) defined the Assembly or Assembly of the Godly both inclusively and exclusively. That never changed.

The Synagogue

Numbers 10:
[7]  But when the assembly is to be gathered together,
        you shall blow,
        BUT you shall not sound an ALARM.
Clango    [kindred with crocio, glocio; cf. clamo and klazô] , to clang, to sound, resound horrida clangunt signa tubae,  luctificum clangente tubā,  clangunt aquilae, Auct. Carm. Phil. 28.

Ululo Ulŭlo  I. Neutr., to howl, yell, shriek, utter a mournful cry. B.Transf., of places, to ring, resound, re-echo with howling: penitusque cavae plangoribus aedes Femineis ululant,Verg. A. 2, 488 : resonae ripae, Sil. 6, 285 : Dindyma sanguineis Gallis,

The Galli were the emasculated Priests of Isis.


rĕsŏnusI.r esounding, re-echoing (poet.): “voces,Ov. M. 3, 496: “valles,Luc. 7, 480: “ictus,Val. Fl. 1, 618: “ripae,Sil. 6, 285: “resonas plaudere caetras,id. 3, 348.

12.20.14  Paul Separated the Disciples

For disciples of the WORD tribulated by  the SECARIAN word trying to herd you into the ECUMENICAL world stay calm: God is sending them strong delusions so that they cannot define words and unwittingly or half wittingly collect you (speakers, singers, instrument players, sorcerers) making it easy to BE CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAME OF FIRE

A Church of Christ is a SCHOOL of Jesus through the Word or Regulative principle and is Christ-Defined as SECTARIAN.  Baptized disciples do not do "worship services" but belong to the SECT OF THE WAY: The Way is defined as synagogue or School: A Church of Christ is built upon or educated by the Prophets and Apostles. That is why both male and female "preachers" are to be silent so that "we might all be SAFE and come to a knowledge of the truth." They do not grasp disciples are students and they sit down and shut up and go to School of the Word. It is probable that you have never seen one.

skholē , skholēn agein to be at leisure, enjoy ease, keep quiet, amphi heauton for one's own business, a work for leisure, i.e. requiring attention,
2. a group to whom lectures were given, school, Arist.Pol.1313b3, Phld.Ind.Sto.10, D.H.Isoc.1,
1Cor. 1:26 For brethren, you see your calling, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble are called.

Wise are Sophists: popular speakers for hire, singers, instrument players, actors and any religious staff identified in all mass religions as PARASITES from whom God hides.

Matt. 20:16 So the last sha lbe first, and the first last: for many are called, but fewe chosen.

  slight, little or nothing, a little, slightly, lessen, diminish,
paucus , few, little, rare he select few (opp. multi, the many, the multitude):

While: ECUMENICAL defines the ANTI-Christian World View where Satan is the Kosmokrater.

A SECTARIAN is called, elected or invited OUT of the Ecumenical World and INTO the Church.  They are defined as a Little Flock so tiny as not to be detected by sight, sound, motion or tithes and offerings.

While: The ECUMENICAL is almost the TOTAL world population: Jesus does not pray for the KOSMOS or ECUMENICAL world.  And God HIDES from their wise or Sophists meaning speakers for hire, singers, instrument players, staff etal defined in the religionism of the ECUMENICAL such as the Jews as PARASITES.

Plēthos  but also, populace, mob, great number, multitude, esp. of people, hōs plēthei for the mass of men, Pl.R.389d.
greater number, the mass, main body, of the popular assembly, to humeteron p., to p. to humeteron,

multus much, great, many,  In speech, much-speaking, diffuse, prolix: “ troublesome, tedious,
among the herd of orators,
The WORLD SECT are OF the World and Jesus does not pray for them.  They are the masses of people and are ECUMENICAL.  Ecumenical does not mean godly and tolerant but the kingdom of Satan who is the Kosmokrator.  Apollo, Abbadon or Apollon are names of the STARS or planets is the leader of the MUSES.  In Revelation 18 the craftsmen, singers and instrument players are called SORCERERS.  John said that they HAD once deceived the whole world and they will be CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.

Acts 19:9 But when divers were hardened, and believed not,
        but spake evil of THAT WAY before the multitude,
        he departed from them,
        and separated the disciples, [ mathētas]
        disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.

11.13.14 Richard Beck at Jay Guin's main man at Wineskins.org,
ex New Wineskins Magazine by Rubel Shelly and Mike Cope marking the sectarian, legalists attack at Jubilee 1989 100 years after the Disciples dredging of PSALLO and musical sectarianism in 1887 which split the Disciples never connected to Churches of Christ as the FALSE stalking horse claimSeeing dancing as an act of worship probably results from being cheated of being a disciple of Christ who goes to SCHOOL now replaced as WORSHIP OBSERVATION to which Jesus said the kingdom within us does not come.  This is a picture of the PLAY at Mount Sinai which was the musical idolatry of the always-pagan, egyptian trinity.  Osiris, (Isis-mother, spirit, inseminating, dove) and infant profane Horus.


David IMPOSED: God did NOT command: "Indeed not before David's time do professional musicians appear in the Bible. From where did they come? Considering the apparent connection of professional musicians with the institution of Monarchy, we must bear in mind that in the neighboring countries, Egypt and Assyria, the professional musician was an old and familiar figure. It seems that the midrash alludes to an ancient tradition when it relates that King Solomon's Egyptian wife, daughter of the Pharaoh, carried in her dowry a thousand foreign instruments.

Yet an instrument is of no use without a musician able to play it. Hence, we may assume that the systematic import and subsequent training of professional musicians took place in the era of David and Solomon." (Interpreters Dictionary of the Bible, p. 457).

See gal328.org feminist theology which defines God the FATHER as the onl teacher of His children.  The Command is to PREACH the Word by READING: First, teach everyone to read before they get their Phd and then READ as the directly commanded pattern in the Bible. THEN you can hear Paul say NEITHER and not BOTH. BUT, I am certain that the legalists are going to SPIN BACK: BUT, Paul did NOT say that BOTH cannot be Senior Pulpit Preacher and chief Pastor or pastoress.  Wineskins.org gets angry when we define words: neither now means both because the Spirit of Christ and Paul were too dumb to include PULPIT PREACHER.

Theology" is the mark of Apollon or Abaddon and Feminist Theology forces you to dance.  The MARK of a total fall from Grace is spending a fortune to be told that we are saved by GRACE through: They fail to tell you that Ephesians 2 has a beginning and saved always means SAFE: safe from anything you spend a fortune on in getting a Simon-like gift of "a" spirit which you can sell at retail which means CORRUPTING THE WORD.  The text says that you cannot read BLACK text on BROWN paper (2 Corinthians 3) until you turn, convert or are baptized into Christ.

To mark those who think that they have been chosen to abrogate the olden Bible they-- in infinite distance -- from the ONE GOD the Father Christ's inclusive-inclusive pattern was/is to PREACH the Word by READING the Word by vocational elders who. That is certified in the prophets which you don't need to procure a degree in theology  which presumes to EXPERIMENT on God.

  1. No one is washed with water INTO the Word or "School of Christ" without baptism.
  2. No one receives A holy spirit (theirs) without baptism
  3. No one is "saved by baptism" by "faith" to receive A good conscience, consciousness or a co-perception of the WORD, Logos or the Regulative Principle which outlaws all of the Roles and Doles.
  4. No one has their "sins washed away" or remitted without baptism.
  5. No one has their spirit translated into the heavenly kingdom without baptism: Ekklesia is a SAFE HOUSE protected from laded burdens and burden laders until the Command, Example and historic ASSEMBLY one time each week to PREACH the Word one to another by READING and MEDITATING-melete: (not singing and melody-melos)
Grace teaches us to SKIP the "observations" to which the kingdom will never come when we by FAITH obey the teachings of the Father to mark us as a child of God and ABRAHAM which covenant was pre-clergy.

We are SAFE FROM dancing in holy place when when Paul in romans 12 says that GOD IS STILL A CONSUMING FIRE for those who repeat the Mount Sinai idolatry and do not come before God in reverence and godly fear. We will show at the bottom that there are TWO SPIRITUAL races on the world and only ONE attacks everyone who will not DANCE when the boys pipe in the marketplace.

John 12:42 Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees
[theologians Saved From----

    they did not confess him,
    lest they should be put out of the synagogue
Luke 7:29 And all the people that heard him,
     and the publicans,

     justified God, [affirmed his right to command]
     being baptized with the baptism of John.

John 12:43 For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.
John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. [God]
John 12:45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.  God the Father

Luke 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers
rejected the counsel of God against themselves, [Denied His Right]
being not baptized of him

Luke 7:31 And the Lord [Son] said,
then shall I liken the MEN of this generation? and to what are they like?

Pharisees, Scribes, Hypocrites: rhetoricians, singers, instrument players Ezek 33

John 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
      John 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. [Christ has His Spirit WITHIN Him]
Luke 7:32 They are like unto children sitting in the marketplace, and calling one to another, and saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned to you, and ye have not weptEffeminate Isaiah 3

Col. 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness
Grace-Faith makes us SAFE FROM: Eph. 4:18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
Skot-oō , A.darken, blind, “skotōsō blephara kai dedorkotaS.Aj.85; stupefy,
Ep.Eph.4.18:—Pass., to be in darkness

Eph 4:14
cunning craftiness [sophists: speakers, singers, instrument players], whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son  [does not come with religious observations, sight, sound]
And saved us from----
Skotos , 7. of a person, Mētrotimos ho s., like ho skoteinos, the mystery-man, also, darkness, i.e. ignorance, D.19.226; deceit, “s. kai apatēPl.Lg.864c. Lying Spirits

The first creation brought light (knowledge) our of darkness (Ignorance). The New Creation gives us LIGHT preventing:

Skot-ios In Crete the boys were called skotioi, because they lived in the women's apartment, Sch.E.Alc.988. Kupris” joined with Aphroditē Venus dark, obscure, of dithyrambs by Arion the Lyre-player  Hdt. 1.23  suited to cult of Dionysus
-Bacchae 215]  I happened to be at a distance from this land, when I heard of strange evils throughout this city, that the women have left our homes in contrived Bacchic rites, and rush about in the shadowy mountains, honoring with dances [220]  this new deity Dionysus, whoever he is.
Eur. Alc. 988 You also, Admetus, have been caught in the goddess's ineluctable chains

Hdt. 1.23 The Corinthians say (and the Lesbians agree) that..This Arion was a lyre-player second to none in that age; he was the first man whom we know to compose and name the dithyramb1 which he afterwards taught at Corinth.

1 The dithyramb was a kind of DANCE-music particularly associated with the cult of Dionysus.
Aristoph. Birds 1389 Cinesias in its capricious flight my Muse flutters [Melos Melody] along the thousand paths of poetry in turn ... 'Tis on them the whole of our latter-day art depends. The most brilliant dithyrambs are those that flap [1390] their wings in empty space and are clothed in mist and dense obscurity.  

Aristoph. Birds 1401 The Parricide departs, and the dithyrambic poet Cinesias arrives. Cinesias Singing. “On my light pinions I soar off to Olympus; in its capricious flight my Muse flutters along the thousand paths of poetry in turn ...”

lēros  Kinēsian there's naught to compare with Cinesias, lēroi kai paidiai, of flute-playing at banquets, catamite. paizō  2. esp. DANCE, “paisate5. play amorously, “pros allēlousII. jest, sport, 4. play on a musical instrument, “Pan ho kalamophthogga paizōn

 Jesus died to save us FROM the World for which He does not Pray:

John 15:18 If the WORLD hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you

World surigx flute, cat-call, theater, surigmos:—the last part of the nomos Puthikos was called surigges, prob. because it imitated the dying hisses of the serpent Pytho, Str.9.3.10. 3. mouthpiece of the aulos,
Kosmos metaphor of ornaments [of women] of speech, such as epithets, Id.9.9 (pl.), Arist.Rh.1408a14, Po.1457b2, 1458a33;

hadumelē k. keladein to sing sweet songs of praise, Pi.O.11 (10).13   surigx flute,
The Hole in the Millstone: made a piping noise

John 15:19 If ye were OF the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not OF the world, but I have chosen you OUT of the world, therefore the world hateth you.   Pind. O. 11 I shall loudly sing a sweet song, an adornment for your garland of golden olive, [15] while I honor the race of the Western Locrians. There, Muses, join in the victory-song [Locusts, adulteresses, SHEPHERDS, Nike song]

SAVED FROM ANTICHRISTS: If you say that God is three in one you say that the Spirit was too ignorant to say so:

1Cor. 8:6 But to us there is but one God [Theos], the Father, OF whom are all things, and we IN him;
      and one Lord [Kurios] Jesus Christ, BY whom are all things, and we BY him.

1Tim. 2:5 For there is ONE God, and ONE mediator between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus;

The Spirit OF God in this sense is the LOST SPIRIT from God Jesus was sent to seek and save.

1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every SPIRIT, but try the spirits whether they are OF God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

1John 4:2 Hereby know ye the SPIRIT of God: Every SPIRIT that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh [the MAN Christ Jesus] is of God: 
1John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that SPIRIT of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Kosmos
1John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1John 4:5 They are OF the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them 

1John 4:6 We are OF God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the SPIRIT OF truth, and the SPIRIT OF error.

Who is the King marked by the fallen star?
Rev. 9:1  And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
Who are the Locusts
Rev. 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke [to obscure] out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

phre-ar asphalton naphtha-spring, brink of a volcano. dungeon for slaves
Isaiah 30 once cast into "hell" to the sound of wind, string and percussion.
    Revelation 18 unleashed under the Babylon Mother of harlots they are SORCERERS craftsmen (staff= parasites), singers, instrument players and grinders or prostitute meaning corrupting the word. And WILL BE CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE [sulfur] OF FIRE

Rev. 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

The Unknown god is Apollon. Apollōn , ho, Apollo: name of a number,

Apolouon (purifier); or or in respect of his powers of divination [in lectio divina she is a HAG sorcerers], And he is the God who presides over harmony, and makes all things move together, both among Gods and among men. And as in the words akolouthos and akoitis

Psallo is an Apollon word derived from making his bow string twang to send forth a singing arrow into the heart of his enemy. He uses his lyre to shoot forth love arrows into his friemds.
Rev. 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

Tettix  sweet sounds, hoi Mousōn prophētai,
Aggelos , loquacious person, Mousōn aggelos,
Mousagetēs 1 doric for Mousēgetēs leader of the Muses, Lat. Musagetes, of Apollo

La^l-eō ,Mark of the Locusts, articulate speech, as of locusts, chirp. III.  of musical sounds,aulō [flute] laleōflute, trumpet [aka speaking in tongues]

BEAST or Therion defines A New Style of Music or Satyric Drama and Dancing -- "music" demands dancing.
   Cappella is a GOAT and the Satyrs were pretend over-sexed Pan as eternal ememy of WORD.

Who are the Spirits of Error?

plan-ēs , ētos, ho, A.wanderer, vagabond, [These are wandering stars or the fallen angels." They are predestinated. astēr , illustrious [MUSES AND GRACES]Mousaōn astera kai Kharitōn” A  mark on the hand,
What are the MARKS of the Spirits of Error?

Mousa   Dios aigiokhoio thugateres [always daughter of Zeus:]music, song, “kanakhan [clanging]. . theias [inspired] antiluron [Harp-Player] mousas” that was Socrates's waykoinōn-eōkindunōn allēlois [dogsII. of sexual intercourse,

Ephesians 2 has been a topic at Concerned Members today.  Saved by grace through faith means be SAFE by Grace which teaches us NOT to dare to dance with God when we obey by Faith.  No one in the theology field seems able to ask: SAVED FROM WHAT?

  1. No one has their sins remitted by faith
  2. No one receives A holy spirit or A good conscience by faith only.
  3. No one has their spirits translated into the heavenly kingdom by faith
  4. No one is added to the ekklesia or universal church by faith only.
  5. No one is "washed with water into the WORD" meaning into the SCHOOL OF CHRIST by just believing in Jesus.
  6. No one is saved FROM that crooked race, the World for which Jesus does not pay without being baptized to "save yourselves from this crooked race." In fact, the GRACE-ONLY cults insists says Shelly etal WE SHOULD BE AS MUCH AS MUCH LIKE THE WORLD TO SAVE THE WORLD. Now, they gonna SAVE THE WORLD by their conduct!!
Concepts used just be confrontational and popular in the WORLD for which Jesus doesn't pray strike disciples as pretty ugly and why up to 2/3 of an invaded congregation flees when the THEOLOGIANS (never used of God) when the musical band invades where music includes moving your voice together and moving your body together.

But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings houses. Mat 11:8

Soft is from the Greek: Malakos (g3120) mal-ak-os'; of uncert. affin.; soft, i.e. fine (clothing); fig. a catamite (male prostitute): - effeminate, soft. (g3119 means soft or diseased)

"Asherah (symbolized by errect poles with fertility symbols pouring out the top): She is the Queen of Heaven , in other languages and ages identified as Ashtoreth, Athirat, Astarte, and Ishtar. Yahweh, the Hebrew God elevated to become the sole deity , was Her consort. Her "male" priestesses were known as kelabim, the faithful "dogs" of the Goddess, "who practiced divinatory arts, danced in processions, and served as hierodules, qedeshim, in the company of other priestesses. Elements of the goddess worship were largely erased in a cultural purge c. 630 BCE by King Yosiah, at the behest of Yahweh's priests, who required supremacy.

"I would argue that in Greek tragedy the cross-dressed actor was crucial, a sign of the conventional nature of the drama. Male playing female is inevitably distanced from the role and makes it clear that the role of the woman is an idealization, not a realization. In addition the male playing female indicates a possible relevance of the form to dionysus , a god associated with masks and characterized by softness, woman's curls and dress (Bacchae) and worshipped with transvestite ceremonies at the Oschophoria (Seaford; Segal 1982: 10-20, 158- 68, 214).

As the PLAY at Mount Sinai and the MOCKING when the clergy encompassed Jesus like dogs. As one of the dozens of ways music and motion is used to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter here is something Paul and school kids would understand from attending plays for education..

Sophocles, Antigone

[791] You seize the minds of just men and drag them to injustice, to their ruin. You it is who have incited this conflict of men whose flesh and blood are one. [795] But victory belongs to radiant Desire swelling from the eyes of the sweet-bedded bride. Desire sits enthroned in power beside the mighty laws. [800] For in all this divine Aphrodite plays her irresistible game.

Commentary [800] empaizei, ‘wreaks her will’ in that contest which nika implies. We find “empaizō” with a dat. (1) of the object, as Her. 4.134empaizontas hēmin”, ‘mocking us’: (2) of the sphere, as Ar. Th. 975khoroisin empaizei”, ‘sports in dances.’ The “en” of “empaizei” here might also be explained as (a) in the “imeros”, or the “blephara”, i.e. by their agency: or (b) ‘on her victim.’ But the interpretation first given appears simpler. (Cp. Vergil's absol. use of illudere, G. 1. 181,Tum variae illudant pestes.”)

Nagy Chapter 18

1n11 . This fable is transmitted by Plato Phaedrus259b-c. From Archilochus fr. 223W, we know that the poet called himself a tettîx in the context of composing blame poetry against those who harmed him.

[259b] perhaps they will be pleased and give us the gift which the gods bestowed on them to give to men.


  What is this gift? I don't seem to have heard of it.

Socrates It is quite improper for a lover of the Muses never to have heard of such things. The story goes that these locusts were ONCE men, before the birth of the Muses, and when the Muses were born and song appeared, some of the men were so overcome with delight

ekplēssō , Att. ekplēr-ttō , A.strike out of, drive away from, expel,
II. drive out of one's senses by a sudden shock, amaze, astound, Od.18.231 (tm.) ; “kallei kai hōra dienegkontes e. tinasAeschin.1.134 ; “ho phobos ekplēssōn..”  ekplagēnai tina to be struck with panic fear of.., 3. eis homologian ekplēttein frighten one into.., f.l. in Plb. 23.4.11.

, on,
A.loving music or the Muses, delphines Arionl.8, cf. Theoc.14.61: generally, loving music and the arts, accomplished, Pl.Phdr.259b, R.548e, X.Cyr.5.1.1; “mousikoi kai ph.Phld.Mus.p.62 K., etc.; “logoi ph.Ar.Nu.358 (anap.): to ph., = philomousia, Plu.2.984b, etc.
[259c] that they sang and sang, forgetting food and drink, until at last unconsciously they died. From them the locust tribe afterwards arose, and they have this gift from the Muses,
        that from the time of their birth they need no sustenance,
         but sing continually, without food or drink, until they die,
        when they go to the Muses and report who honors each of them on earth.
        They tell Terpsichore of those who have honored her in dances, and make them dearer to her;

, i_gos (but i_kos Ar. and Theoc. acc. to Hdn.Gr. ap. Choerob. in Theod.1.292 H.), ho, A.cicala, Cicada plebeia or allied species, a winged insect fond of basking on trees, when the male makes a chirping or clicking noise by means of certain drums or 'tymbals' underneath the wings, whence the joke in Xenarch.14, eit' . . hoi tettiges ouk eudaimones, hōn tais gunaixin oud' hotioun phōnēs eni; prov., “tettigos edraxō pterouArchil.143 (v. “sullambanō11.1). This noise is freq. used as a simile for sweet sounds, Il.3.151, Hes.Op.582, Sc.393, Simon.173, 174, etc.; and Plato calls them hoi Mousōn prophētai, Phdr.262d; but they also became a prov. for garrulity, “lalein tettix Aristopho10.7: “t. polloi ginomenoi nosōdes to etos sēmainousiThphr.Sign.54. They were thought to sing continually without food or drink, Ar.Nu. 1360, Pl.Phdr.259c; or on a diet of air and dew,
la^l-eō , II. chatter, OPPOSITE. articulate speech, as of locusts, chirp, Theoc.5.34; mesēmbrias lalein tettix (sc. eimi), a very grasshopper to chirp at midday
is used in 1 Corinthians 13 to compare speaking in tongues to playing lifeless instruments: the mark of sorcerers.
III. of musical sounds,aulō laleōTheoc.20.29; of trees, v.supr.1.2; “di'aulou ē salpiggos l.Arist. Aud.801a29; of Echo, D.C.74.14: also c.acc. cogn., magadin lalein sound the magadis, Anaxandr.35.
Terpsi^-khorē , , Dor. and Att. Terpsi^-khora_ Pi.I.2.7, Pl.Phdr.259c, cf. Choerob.in Theod.2.42 H.:—Terpsichore. the Muse of the dance, Hes. Th.78, etc.

ti_maō , Il.23.788honour, revere, reverence (in this sense the Med. is used only by Hom.); of the honour rendered to superiors, as by men to gods, by men to their elders, rulers, or guests, “peri kēri theon hōs timēsantoOd.19.280, etc.; “tima ton patera souLXX Ex.20.12, al.; conversely of the honour bestowed by gods upon a man, mermērize (sc. Zeus)“
daimonōn timan genosA.Th.236; “theous timōntesS.OC277,

Greek: ekstasis , "to stand outside of or transcend [oneself ]"), in mysticism, the experience of an inner vision of God or of one's relation to or union with the divine. Various methods have been used to achieve ecstasy, which is a primary goal in most forms of religious mysticism. The most typical consists of four stages:

(1) purgation (of bodily desire);
purification (of the will);
illumination (of the mind); and
unification (of one's being or will with the divine).

Other methods are: dancing (as used by the Mawlawiyah, or whirling dervishes, a Muslim Sufi sect); the use of sedatives and stimulants (as utilized in some Hellenistic mystery religions); and the use of certain drugs, such as peyote, mescaline, hashish, LSD, and similar products (in certain Islamic sects and modern experimental religious groups).

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Most mystics, both in the East and in the West, frown on the use of drugs because no permanent change in the personality (in the mystical sense) has been known to occur.

In certain ancient Israelite prophetic groups, music was used to achieve the ecstatic state, in which the participants, in their accompanying dancing, were believed to have been seized by the hand of Yahweh, the God of Israel, as in the case of Saul, the 11th-century-bc king of Israel.

The Pythia (priestess) of the Greek oracle at Delphi often went into an ecstatic state during which she uttered sounds revealed to her by the python (the snake, the symbol of resurrection), after drinking water from a certain spring.

Her "words" were then interpreted by a priest to help a suppliant find a way to avoid calamities, especially death. In primitive religions, ecstasy was a technique highly developed by shamans, religious personages with healing and psychic-transformation powers, in their "soul," or "spirit," flights. (See Delphic oracle.) "ecstasy" Encyclopædia Britannica Online


Richard Beck Experimental Theology and the future of Churches of Christ.   In Scripture Theology defines the Scribes and Pharisees who "take away the key to knowledge." Jesus defined the Scribes (liars in the prophets) and Pharisees as Hypocrites. In the Ezekiel version Christ names popular preachers for hire, singers and instrument players." These are the MARKS of people who neither preach nor practice the word.  The Spirit OF Christ defined the Church of Christ (the Rock) in the wilderness for the godly people. He defined the FUTURE of the Church of Christ both inclusively and exclusively in the prophets.   The ACU kingdom have a spirit guide who is now defining the FUTURE of churches which are no longer SYNAGOGUES which define the once a week assembly to PREACH the Word (regulative principle) by READING the Word for Comfort and doctrine.  The Lord's supper teaches us that we have nothing of value to IMAGINE so we follow the pattern SPEAK (dicto) A hymn and GO OUT.  The progressives are not just anti-sectarian but are UNIVERSALISTS which probably means "we will take anyone's money" for the unlawful collection plate.

Theology would never dare be used about the God identified in the Scriptures (Prophets and Apostles).  That would presume a level of inspiration claimed by those who hear A spirit tell them to twist the Scriptures. We will show that THEOLOGY which was suddenly unleashed to replace the Scriptures identifies Abaddon-Apollon unleased from the PIT to become the leader and SPIRIT GUIDE of the Locusts who are the MUSES or worship team; they are identified as adulteresses and SHEPHERDS under the Babylon Mother of Harlots (Revelation 17).  They sort out the craftsmen, singers and instrument players who are called SORCERERS so they can be held captive until time to CAST THEM ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath,
         because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.  kairos

the demon spirit of Zeus worshipped in Jerusalem when godly Jews fled rather than allow the young men to bow to Baal and serve as "companions" right there in the 'holy places'
com-mŏvĕo (conm- ), A. To remove from a place, to carry away, displace, to start, set in motion, move: if I put my instruments (artifices, tricks, etc.) in motion.
frantic, crazed, Ludo .Especially, to play on an instrument of music, to make or compose music or song: ludere quae vellem calamo permisit agresti,Verg. E. 1, 10: “talia fumosi luduntur mense Decembri,Ov. Tr. 2, 491: “quod tenerae cantent, lusit tua musa, puellae,id. Am. 3, 1, 27: amorous play
G. To delude, deceive: auditis, an me ludit amabilis Insania?

They sat down to ear and rose up (against god) to play or LUDO
1. Ludi, public games, plays, spectacles, shows, exhibitions, instruments
In gen.: “hoc praetore ludos Apollini faciente,2. Stage-playDionysius Corinthi dicitur ludum aperuisse, child's play:
The worship of Abaddon or Apollyon was practiced at Mount Sinai and it was WITHOUT REDEMPTION.  Romans 1 proves that it always leads to the COHORTS playing with one another.
Once more the kingdom is being SHAKEN and those who refuse to honor God with reverence and Godly fear He promises GOD IS A CONSUMING FIRE.
Tried to respond to John Fewkes at oneinjesus (if you sing, play and dance) whose godly grandparents as pioneer leaders of the first congregation the instrumentalists lied about all of the Bible and stole the congregation for the NACC and the ACU false teachers. As usual Jay refuses to listen.

Jeff walling has been brought to Pepperdine by Mike Cope. They woke up and decided that they had few students from Churches of Christ because they were staffed by people who have to be ignorant of the word or who as Paul said of the speakers, singers and instrument players they are LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE.

Because they are MARKED by a persona which such love that Tim Spivey oohs that Mike Cope is the SAMURAI of Churches of Christ.  Of course, they are bonded with the NACC intending to DEprogram young preachers into musical and other sorcery:

JEFF WALLING TELLING THE NACC HOW TO TRANSISION CHURCHES OF CHRIST WITHOUT GETTING FIRED: he withholds some secrets which agrees that ALL instruments and musical terms in religion speak of enchantment or SORCERY.

IN HIS DANCING WITH GOD URGE JEFF WALLING DENIES THE REGULATIVE PRINCIPLE WHICH IS THE WORD OF GOD OR LOGOS. The Dancing MARK is now enhanced by Jesus with the COHORT code word.  The Lilly Foundation is financing the organized DEprogramming of young preachers and boggers to take the MARK OF THE BEAST. They are bonded with the NACC and the once-minimally christian colleges with a tribulation of historic proportions.  I have just posted a comment on Jay Guin's blog in response to John Fewkes. His godly grandparents were pioneer leaders of my FIRST  "Ooops! there goes your investment with the Lord." Naturally, he will never let any good pure text have the right to BUY or SELL.

They are created now, and not from the beginning;
        even before the day when thou heardest them not;
        lest thou shouldest say, Behold, I knew them. Isaiah 48:7

    Yea, thou heardest not; yea, thou knewest not;
    yea, from that time that thine ear was not opened:
    for I knew that thou wouldest deal very treacherously,
    and wast called a transgressor from the womb. Isaiah 48:8

WHAT IS A PLAGUE:  PLESSO 3. strike or stamp as one does a coin, Kuprios kharaktēr . .
         en gunaikeiois tupois
peplēktai  Strike a string with a key,

4. of musical sounds, houtôsi plêgenta houtôs ephthenxato ta phônêenta 
EPHTHENXATO--trumpet (thunder), flute, lyre, Phormigx (ABADDON'S instrument), melody in a holy place, CLAPPING HANDS
b. sting, plêgeisa hupo skorpiou  Plato, Euthydemus   S. Fr.37, V. an engine of war for discharging arrow

THE BEAST: Thērionthe Serpo in the garden of Eden speaks of the winding or crooked songs always used to deceive and sell bodies. only in Satyric drama,III. as a term of reproach, beast, creature, , cf. Eq.273; kolaki, deinō thēriōPl.Phdr.240b; mousikê aei ti kainon thêrion tiktei a new style of music and Satyric Drama.

THE IMAGE Imāgo , ĭnis, f. cf. imitor, I.an imitation, copy of a thing, Juv. 7, 29: “hoc tibi sub nostra breve carmen imagine vivat,epistula atque imago me certum fecit,” i. e. the image on the seal, the signet,
I. Transf., a reverberation of sound, an echo (mostly poet.): “(mellaria facere oportet) potissimum ubi non resonent imagines, 2. With the idea predominating of mere imitation, in OPPOSITION to what is original or real, a mere form, image, semblance, appearance, shadow:

MARK:  kharag-ma kha^, atos, to, (kharassō) A.any mark engraved, imprinted, or branded, kh. ekhidnēs the serpent's mark, i. e. its bite, sting, ekhein to kh. tou thēriouApoc.16.2, cf. 13.16; to kh. tou thēriou the mark of the beast,

sēman-tikos , ē, on, ; “rhēma . . phōnē sunthetē s. meta khronouId.Po.1457a14
4. of sounds made by inanimate objects, mostly Poet., “kerkidos ph.S.Fr.595; suriggōnE.Tr.127 (lyr.); “aulōn Mnesim.4.56 (anap.); rare in early Prose, “organōn phōnaiBOASTING

PAGAN LOGOS: Hermes (new hermeneutic), Mercury or Kairos is the LEADER of those who do not teach that which has been taught.

Hermes (Mercury, Kairos), as in hermeneutic, is the in Homer's Hymn 4 to Hermes 

What skill is this? What song for desperate cares? What way of song? For verily here are three things to hand all at once from which to choose, —
        mirth, and love, and sweet sleep.
[450] And though I am a follower of the Olympian Muses who love dances and the bright path of song —the full-toned chant and ravishing thrill of flutes —yet I never cared for any of those feats of skill at young men's revying. But now, since you, though little, have such glorious skill, sit down, dear boy, and respect the words of your elders For now you shall have renown among the deathless gods, you and your mother also. This I will declare to you exactly:

The One God the Father has His own Thought, Breath (spirit) and articulated WORD with Him as the meaning of Father, Son and Spirit.  God speaks THROUGH Jesus of Nazareth and Jesus commanded that people teach what HE commanded to be taught. A Christian is a Disciple and the RESOURCE for educating a church is the Prophets and Apostles.  A Disciple of Christ would never tamper with the Word by saying that THEY have the authority to replace SPEAK with entertain. When God pours out His wrath He sends lying wonders or buffoons we love to watch.

See Mike Cope, Jeff Walling's New partner with the NACC  The NACC does not speak for Christian Churches as Jeff Walling does not speak for churches of Christ.  Buying and Selling is the game prophecies.

1Ambubaiarum , "Women who played on the flute."  “[ambubajarum ministeria,”]  It is derived from a Syrian word; for the people of that country usually excelled in this instrument. “Pharmacopolae is a general name for all who deal in spices, essence, and perfumes.

2Mendici, mimae, balatrones . The priests of Isis and Cybele were beggars by profession, and under the vail of religion were often guilty of the most criminal excesses. Mimae were players of the most debauched and dissolute kind; and balatrones, in general, signifies all scoundrels, buffoons, and parasites, who had their name, according to the old commentator, from Servilius Balatro. “Balatrones hoc genus omne”, for omne hoc balatronum genus, is a remarkable sort of construction.
Rev. 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
Rev. 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee:
        for thy merchants were the great men of the earth;
        for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
Rev. 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets,

G5331 pharmakeia, far-mak-i´-ah; from 5332; medication (“pharmacy”), i.e. (by extension) magic (literally or figuratively): — sorcery, witchcraft.
LOGOS IS WITHOUT introductions preludes or dancing.
Without   Prooimion  A. opening, introduction; in Music, prelude, overture, Pi.P.1.4; in poems, proëm, preamble, 

Pind. P. 1 Golden lyre, rightful 
    joint possession of Apollo [Abaddon, Apollyon]
    and the violet-haired Muses, [Filthy shepherds, sorcerers Rev 18]
to which the dance-step listens, the beginning of splendid festivity; and singers obey your notes, whenever, with your quivering strings, you prepare to strike up chorus-leading preludes.
[5] You quench even the warlike thunderbolt of everlasting fire. And the eagle sleeps on the scepter els [Lying Wonders], as I do now for this: [455] I am filled with wonder, O son of Zeus, at your sweet plaof Zeus, relaxing his swift wings on either side, the king of birds;
        and you pour down a dark mist over his curved head,
        a sweet seal on his eyelids. Slumbering, he ripples his liquid back,
        [10] under the spell of your pulsing notes.
Even powerful Ares, setting aside the rough spear-point, warms his heart in repose; your shafts charm the minds even of the gods, by virtue of the skill of Leto's son and the deep-bosomed Muses.

But those whom Zeus does not love are stunned with terror when they hear the cry of the Pierian Muses, on earth or on the irresistible sea;

Skill Sophia cleverness or skill in handicraft and art, in music and singing, poetry. Divination.   Sorcery says John in Revelation 18 always performed by the "lusted after fruits."

4.speech, delivered in court, assembly
VI. verbal expression or utterance, lego, lexis
      -Lexis A.speech, OPPOSITE ôidê

-ôidê, 1.art of song 5. = eppsdê, spell, incantation
4. text of an author,  OPPOSITE exegesis [Peter's private interpretation outlaws exegesis]
2. common talk, report, tradition d. the talk one occasions, repute, mostly in good sense, good report, praise, honour,
3. discussion, debate, deliberation, c. dialogue, as a form of philosophical debate,
 The meaning of the sunagogue or syllogimos or syllogism
Logos is the  OPPOSITE  emmetra, ib.1450b15 (pl Id.Rh.1404a31

There is NO meter in the Bible: you could not "sing" it tunefully if your life depended on it: that is PREDESTINED.

John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent SPEAKETH the words of God: for God giveth NOT the Spirit by measure unto him.

-Metron II. metre, Ar.Nu.638, 641, etc.; opp. melos (music) and rhuthmos (time), Pl.Grg.502c, etc.; logous psilous eis metra tithentes putting into verse, Id.Lg.669d; “ta en metrō pepoiēmena epēX.Mem. 1.2.21.

ANYONE WHO IS THE LITTLE FLOCK OF LOST SPIRITS JESUS CAME TO RESCUE WILL HAVE GODLY FEAR AND REVERENCE WHICH IS SOMBER.  They flock of sheep as opposed to the world race of goats or vipers know that they live in a dangerous world of Apollon's evangelists and musicians seeking whom they might devour.

Jay Guin Dancing in Worship: Jay Guin claims that: The prevalent somber attitude that we in the Churches of Christ call “worship” comes from those same fine 16th Century Calvinists who brought us the Regulative Principle.

The Church or Ekklesia consists of all who have been washed with water INTO the Word or into the school of Christ: they are cut free from STAFF known as parasites in all systems of religion.  Their spirits have been translated into the heavely kingdom and the church is prophesied as the UMBRELLUM or Safe house from all of the storms and rains of people seeking lambs to devour.

When a group of ekklesia members decided to assemble, gather or come together they are called a SYNAGOGUE or a school of the Word and disciples -- if normal -- understand to follow the PATTERN for men and women to sit down, shut up and LEARN.  That is never called a worship service devoted to body worship.

Acts 8:28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot READ Esaias the prophet.
Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time
        hath in every city them that PREACH him,
        being READ in the synagogues every sabbath day.
The people at Mount Sinai had a group who were GUINITES: they rose up to engage in musical idolatry. That was the result of having refused to listen to The Book of The Covenant which was given by God in Christ to Abraham.
2Cor. 3:14 But their minds were blinded:
        for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away
         in the READING of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
Their minds are still blind because they deny that Christ in prophecy, Jesus by Command and without exception, those who obey ASK for A holy spirit or A good conscience or consciousness: that means a co-perception of the word so that you can read BLACK text on BROWN paper. Then you can grasp the same passage where Paul says that THE LORD IS THE SPIRIT and where the Spirit OF the Lord can be read and preached we have LIBERTY: from what? From those who think that SPEAK the text means to SING the silly songs of the Praise Leader as "the world's oldest profession." The same John who recorded Jesus say of the Comforter (paraclete) say in 1 John that the NAME of the Comforter is "Jesus Christ the Righteous." John also says that if you miss
Col. 4:16 And when this epistle is READ among you,
        cause that it be READ also in the church of the Laodiceans;
        and that ye likewise READ the epistle from Laodicea.

Paul commanded that the men pray so they do not raise or permit wrath or an ORGY and the women are to be silent thinking that as a female or effeminate they heard the "gods" so that ALL might be saved (Safe From orgy) and come to a knowledge of THE TRUTH.  If you do NOT follow the command from the wilderness you DENY that

1Tim. 2:5 For there is one God,
        and one mediator between God and men,
        the man Christ Jesus;

Proof that people cannot read or as Paul warned in Ephesians 4 THEY ARE LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE is that if you deny the ONE GOD the Father and One Son whom God HAS MADE TO BE both Lord and Christ you are an ANTICHRIST.

If you hear a "spirit" tell you to FINALLY reveal your hidden agenda for a both/and instrumental church BELIEVE IT. The Spirit and leader of the Musical Worship Team at Delphi and Corinth was Abaddon or Apollyon who HAS EMERGED from hell along with the locusts or MUSES who have learned never to challenge the Babylon Mother of Harlots (Revelation)

Because Jay doesn't grasp that a church assembles as SYNAGOGUE which after the Shema or confession that there is just ONE God with His Spirit and His Word with Him, and the systematically READ especially the Prophets where the Spirit OF Christ defined the FUTURE REST both inclusively and exclusively also defining those who would musically mock Messiah as the SON sent to seek and save lost spirits: A LITTLE FLOCK so if you are part of the massed multitudes Jesus will be OUTSIDE suffering the reproaches by the Minister of Reproaches where He invites the twos and threes to "REST and learn of ME."

God always PRUNES the World for whom Jesus will not pray and RESERVES a tiny remnant of those OF TRUTH or OF FAITH who are waiting for the invitation that God has sent for us by first RAPTURING us away from the BEASTS or massed multidude.

Hebrews 12:27 And this word, Yet once more,
        signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken,
        as of things that are made,
        that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

mŏvĕo  A. Lit.: “movit et ad certos nescia membra modos,” “ut festis matrona moveri jussa diebus,to dance, Hor. A. P. 232: moveri Cyclopa, to represent a Cyclop by dancing (gesticulating), id. Ep. 2, 2, 125: “et fila sonantia movit,struck, Ov. M. 10, 89: “citharam cum voce,id. ib. 5, 112: tympana,id. H. 4, 48; to disturb: “novis Helicona cantibus, Manil. Astron. 1, 4: signum movere loco,to move from the place,
struck, Ov. M. 10, 89: “  a.To excite, occasion, cause, promote, produce; to begin, commence, undertake: “
sŏno I. Neutr., to make a noise, to sound, resound: aes sonit, the trumpet sounds, Enn. ap. Non. 504, 33 (Trag. v. 213 Vahl.): “plectra,Prop. 4 (5), 7, 62. tympana, * Caes. B. C. 3, 105, 4 et saep The Python or Serpent at Delphi: Pythius in longā carmina veste sonat,sings, pours forth, accompanies on the lyre, id. 2, 31 (3, 29), 16; cf.: “sonante mixtum tibiis carmen lyra,

cantus , ūs, m. id., I. the production of melodious sound, a musical utterance or expression, either with voice or instrument; hence, song, singing, playing
1. With the voice, a singing, song; in full, cantus vocum,
2. With instruments, a playing, music: “in nervorum vocumque cantibus,Cic. Tusc. 1, 2, 4; id. Rosc. Am. 46, 134: “citharae,Hor. C. 3, 1, 20: “horribili stridebat tibia cantu,Cat. 64, 264: “querulae tibiae, B. An incantation, charm, magic song, etc.: cantusque artesque magorum

mātrōna an appellation of Juno: other protecting goddesses of places,

signum To advance to the attack, make an assault,  “signa esse ad salutem,Ter. And. 3, 2, 2: “animi pudentis signum, dicere deos gallis signum dedisse cantandi == an actor, chordarn sonum, instrumental music, flute,“in caelo cantatur et psallitur,” harp upon a LADED BURDEN, enchant, exorcised by magic, charm, sorcery
a COHORT, a maniple: “octo cohortes in fronte constituit, reliquarum signa in subsidio artius colloca
Cic. Catil. 2.6.13 Cataline at the nocturnal meeting denied everything. Nay the chiefs of that body left that part of the benches to which he came naked and empty.
When he hesitated, when he was convicted, I asked why he hesitated to go whither he had been long been preparing to go; when I knew that arms, that the axes, the fasces, and trumpets, and military standards, and that silver eagle to which he had made a shrine in his own house, had been sent on?

Pulso to push, strike, beat (cf.: tundo, ferio, pello). I.Lit.
Of military engines

Of musical instruments: chordas digitis et pectine eburno,to strike, play upon,
A. In gen., to urge or drive on, to impel, to set in violent motion, to move, agitate, disturb, disquiet
C.To drive away, remove, put out of the way,
D. To injure, insult: pulsatos infecto foedere divos, of treason
Infecto: taint, infect, spoil, corrupt. Venenum pharmakon or SORCERY in Rev 18, discord, charm, seduce, EFFIMINO II.Trop., to make womanish, effeminate, to enervate, A.Womanish, effeminate , putting together effeminate musical compositions. B. In mal. part., that submits to unnatural lust: pathicus, [The Dogs Paul excluded in Philippians 3]
1 Kings 14.[22]  Judah did that which was evil in the sight of Yahweh, and they provoked him to jealousy with their sins which they committed, above all that their fathers had done. [23]  For they also built them high places, and pillars, and Asherim, on every high hill, and under every green tree; [24]  and there were also sodomites in the land: they did according to all the abominations of the nations which Yahweh drove out before the children of Israel. [25]  It happened in the fifth year of king Rehoboam, that Shishak king of Egypt came up against Jerusalem; [26] and he took away the treasures of the house of Yahweh
Cicero Phanc. 86 That dancing Cataline: those men who by means of their armies, and their arms, and their riches, were the most powerful men in the state, then that voice, rendered insane by its infamous debaucheries, made effeminate by its attendance on holy altars, kept crying out in a most ferocious manner that both these men and the consuls were acting in concert with him. Needy men were armed against the rich, abandoned men against the good, slaves against their masters.
Galla , ae, f., I.a priest of Cybele; Gallus the priests of Cybele, so called because of their raving,
resupinati cessantia tympana Galli,Of or belonging to the priests of Isis, Gallic: “turma,the troop of the priests of Isis,  

turma  turba, a division of Roman cav alry, the tenth part of an ala, consisting at first of thirty, and afterwards of thirty-two men; feminea,womanish, effeminate, unmanly
Acts 16:16 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer,
        a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us,
        which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:

Paul CAST OUT the spirit of DIVINING or musical idolatry: may He do it today!

-puthiazô , to be inspired by Apollo, prophesy, St.Byz. s.v. Puthô.

-Puthô Pytho, older name of that part of Phocis at the foot of Parnassus, in which lay the city of Delphi, Hom., etc. of Delphi itself, Pi.P.4.66, 10.4, Hdt.1.54, etc. (Acc. to the legend, derived from the rotting of the serpent, h.Ap.372.) punthanomai , Od.2.315, etc.; poet. also peuthomai (q.v.): Ep. impf.

-Pind. P. 4 Today you must stand beside a beloved man, Muse, the king of Cyrene with its fine horses, so that while Arcesilas celebrates his triumph you may swell the fair wind of song that is due to the children of Leto and to Pytho, where once the priestess seated beside the golden eagles of Zeus, [5] on a day when Apollo happened to be present,
Those PYTHON SPIRITS inspired by Apollon will be UP FRONT in a church near you today.

--theiazô ,  A.to be inspired, frenzied, hoposoi autous theiasantes epēlpisan as many as made them hope by divinations, Th.8.1; th. kai theophoreitai is divinely inspired, Ph.1.479; hoposoi teletais etheiazon obtained inspiration through ritual, Philostr.Her.5.3.
2. prophesy, “hoti stratopedeusoitoD.C.Fr.57.48:—Pass., [“logos epi teleutē tou Alexandrou etheiasthēArr.An.7.18.6; “logion hupo tou homilou theiasthenD.C.62.18.

II. worship as divine, Id.59.27; “Puthagoran kai Platōna
Pythagoras of the KOSMOS (Cosmic Worship at NACC, ACU, PEPPERDINE) outlawed in Romans 14.
Platōna  after the manner of Plato,tas gunaikas P. ekhontes koinasStr.7.3.7. koinē, , prostitute,

aoidos , ho, (aeidō)

A.singer, minstrel, bard, Il.24.720, Od.3.270, al., Hes.Th.95, Op.26, Sapph.92, etc.; “a. anērOd.3.267; “theios a.4.17, 8.87, al.; “tou aristou anthrōpōn a.Hdt.1.24; “polla pseudontai a.Arist.Metaph.983a4: c.gen., goōn, khrēsmōn aoidos, E.HF110, Heracl. 403; pratos a., of the cock, Theoc.18.56.
2. fem., songstress,poluidris a.Id.15.97; of the nightingale, Hes.Op.208; of the Sphinx, S.OT36, E.Ph.1507 (lyr.); “aoidos MousaId.Rh.386 (lyr.).
3. enchanter, S.Tr.1000.
II. as Adj., tuneful, musical,aoidotatan ornithaE.Hel.1109 (lyr.), cf. Theoc.12.7
2. Pass., = aoidimos, famous,pollon aoidoterēArcesil. ap. D.L.4.30.
III. = eunoukhos, Hsch.; cf. doidos.
theios   1. of or from the gods, divine, “genosIl.6.180; “omphē2.41; Oneiros ib.22; “epipnoiais
of heralds and bards, Il.4.192, Od.4.17, al.; so perh., of kings, ib. 691.
b. matters of religion, errei ta th. religion is no more, S.OT910 (lyr.), cf. OC1537, X.Cyr.8.8.2, etc.

Jay Guin and all of the PROGRESSIVE invite you to "go all the way" with them this morning: you may be OF the world (Kosmos, Pythagoras) as the MARK submitted to everyone by lying about Unity in Diversity. 

Heb. 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved,
         let us have grace, whereby we may serve [worship] God acceptably
        with reverence and godly fear:
Heb. 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

The Word of God is the LOGOS: the Greeks defined Hermes, Mercury or Kairos as the regulator and the mediator between man and the gods: he was a homosexual kind of Guy.  God defined the Logos as the REGULATIVE PRINCIPLE which is opposite to personal opinions in speaking for hire, singing, playing instruments, acting or dancing.

Jay Guin Wants to Dance with God like Jeff Walling?

The Lutherans, for example, are much more expressive, historically, as can be easily discerned by comparing the works of the Lutheran J. S. Bach to the great Calvinist composer … uh, well, if the Calvinists had ever produced a halfway decent composer, I’m sure we’d have something very, very powerful to talk about.

Contrary Facts: As examples, the French Calvinist composers Louis Bourgeois and Claude Goudimel are attributed with this shift in religious music, “making their selections from the popular melodies… that now the people would no longer sing in the saloon or in the street, but in the sanctuary…” Bourgeois contributed songs (under the supervision of John Calvin) to the Genevan Psalter, a collection of unison-sung hymns based on the Psalms. Today, Bourgeois is best known not by name but by the hymn “The Old 100th (also known as the Protestant Doxology). Goudimel was also a contributor and the homophonic arranger of the Genevan Psalter. With a slight change to which voice presented the melody (in 4-part harmony), he forever changed Western music:

Calvin was a Bible Reader and understood the command to SPEAK that which was written for our LEARNING.

Jay Guin Dancing in Worship: No, the Catholics and Lutherans wrote some great music, while the Calvinists argued over whether the Regulative Principle allows us to modify the psalms to fit the tunes better – a very joyless approach to “worship.”

Threskia as IMPURE RELIGION wants you to impose YOUR BODY to "make the lambs dumb before the slaughter." However, Luther didn't think that the School of Christ was for self-exposure and the ORGY Paul warned about.

Luther wrote but NOT for the use in the Assembly.  He was SOLA FIDA and SOLA SCRIPTURA.  He said that faith comes from the Word of God.

It is false to claim that Calvin invented the Regulative Principle: the Bible and most of church history defended the mission of Jesus Christ Who spoke the LOGOS which God breathed (spirit) into him.  Jesus never spoke on His own and said that His disciples will speak the WORD or LOGOS or God's Regulative Principle.

John Calvin was the first to bow to the wishes of the protestants who now had the cathedrals devoted to musical and theatrical performance.  He allows some psalms only to be set to a simple meter to be sung in unison only.

Martin Luther etal had no problem reading Romans 15 where Paul repeat's Christ's PATTERN in Isaiah 58.

For instance, the distracted world attempts to serve God by setting apart houses, churches, cloisters; vestures, gold-trimmed, silk and [50] every other kind; silver vessels and images; bells and organs, candles and lamps; the money for which expense should have been appropriated to the poor if the object was to make an offering to God.

Further, it keeps up a muttering and wailing in the churches day and night. But true praise and honor of God, a service that cannot be confined to place or person, is quietly ignored the world over.

The pretenses of priests and monks about their system of exercises being service to the Lord, are false and delusive.

53. Service to God is praise of him. It must be free and voluntary, at table, in the chamber, cellar, garret, in house or field, in all places, with all persons, at all times. Whosoever teaches otherwise is no less guilty of falsehood than the Pope and the devil himself.

But how shall there be with us honor and praise of God, true service to him, when we neither love him nor receive his blessings? And how shall we love him when we do not know him and his blessings?

And how shall we know him and his blessings when no WORD is preached concerning them and when the Gospel is left to lie under the table? Where the Gospel is not in evidence, knowledge of God is an impossibility. Then to love and praise him is likewise impossible.

As a further consequence it is necessarily impossible for divine service to exist.

Even if all the choristers were one chorister, all the priests one priest,all the monks one monk, all the churches one church, all the bells one bell; in brief if all the foolish services offered to God in the institutions, churches and cloisters were a hundred thousand times greater and more numerous than they are, what does God care for such carnivals and juggling?

54. Therefore, God complains most of the Jews in the second chapter of Micah, because they silenced his praise, while at the same time, they piped, blared and moaned like we do. True divine service of praise cannot be established with revenues, nor be circumscribed by laws and statutes. High and low festivals have nothing to do with it. It emanates from the Gospel, and certainly is as often rendered by a poor, rustic servant as by a great bishop. [51]

The non believers are Purpose Driven to fabricate religious observations for OTHERS and make them pay for it too.  This blasphemes Jesus to died to set us free from ladede burdens and burden laders: He said that the kingdom of God is within us and does not COME with observations. Worship IN THE SPIRIT and IN TRUTH has two parts: obeying the command to PREACH the Word by READING the Word for comfort and doctrine and letting men and women be silent so that "we can all be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth."

Luther points to Micah Chapter Two as the PROPHETIC WARNING

Micah 2:1 WOE to them that devise iniquity, and work evil upon their beds when the morning is light, they practise [faction] it, because it is in the power of their hand.

-ŏpĕro  ŏpĕrātĭo , ōnis, f. operor, I. a working, work, labor, operation  [Lying wonders]
ŏpĕrārĭus , a, um, adj. opera, a religious service [Lying wonders]
offerings: operationes denicales, offerings, Fest. s. v. privatae feriae, p. 242 Müll.; Inscr. a. 286, p. Chr. ap. Orell. 2234.
of or belonging to labor (class.): “homo,Cic. Att. 7, 2, 8: “pecus,working-cattle, Col. 6, 2, 15: “vinum,for working-men, Plin. 14, 10, 12, § 86.—

Vulg. Ecclus. 37, 13: “quos singulos sicut operarios barbarosque contemnas,Cic. Tusc. 5, 36, 104: “quidam operarii linguā celeri et exercitatā,fluent talkers, bad orators, id. de

Micah 2:2 And they covet fields, and take them by violence;
        and houses, and take them away: rapuerunt
        so they oppress a man and his house, even a man and his heritage.


Răpĭo , pŭi, ptum, Mark of Apollyon the Leader of the Muses: dirty musical SHEPHERDS.
1.  To carry off by force; to seize, rob, ravish; to plunder, ravage, lay waste, take by assault, carry by force, etc. “per me (sc. Apollinem) concordant carmina nervis,
A. Poet.: “Nasonis carmina rapti,” i. e. torn from his home, borne far away, Ov. P. 4, 16, 1; cf. id. H. 13, 9

carmen , ĭnis, n. (old form cas-men , Varr. L. L. p. 86 Bip.) [Sanscr. çasto declaim, praise; cf.: camilla, censeo],
I. a tune, song; poem, verse; an oracular response, a prophecy; a form of incantation (cf.: cano, cantus, and canto).
I. In gen., a tune, song, air, lay, strain, note, sound, both vocal and instrumental

(a)   rapta , ae, f., the ravished one, the seduced: “gratus raptae raptor fuit,Ov. A. A. 1, 680; id. F. 4, 607.—
1.  To carry along or away with passion, to transport, ravish, captivate; and with a designation of the limit, to carry or hurry away, to attract strongly to any thing (usually in a bad sense) “(mundus) rapit aetherios per carmina pandere census,


Logos  computation, reckoning 2. statement of a theory, argument, ouk emeu alla tou l. akousantas prob. in Heraclit.50; logon ēde noēma amphis alētheiēs discourse and reflection on reality,
IV. inward debate of the soul, reflection, deliberation
Regulative and formative forces, derived from the intelligible and operative in the sensible universe, 
Opposite to epithumia
 A. desire, yearning, longing after a thing, desire of or for it, Theaomai :--gaze at, behold, mostly with a sense of wonder3. view as spectators
Opposite Pathos  A. that which happens to a person or thing, incident, accident,
Opposite Poiein to excite passion, Arist.Rh.1418a12; V. Rhet., emotional style or treatment,
Opposite Enthousi-astikos , ē, on, A. inspired,phusisPl.Ti.71e; esp. by music,
VI. verbal expression or utterance, lego, lexis
      -Lexis A.speech, OPPOSITE ôidê

-ôidê, 1.art of song 5. = eppsdê, spell, incantation
4. text of an author,  OPPOSITE exegesis [Peter's private interpretation outlaws exegesis]
Prose OPPOSITE -poiêsis, Id.R.390a;
OPPOSITE -poiêtikê, D.H.Comp.6; opp. poiêmata, onomatopoeic word

OPPOSITE  emmetra Modus   2. The measure of tones, measure, rhythm, melody, harmony, time; in poetry, measure, metre, mode: Mūsĭcus a, um, adj., = mousikos.
X. the Word or Wisdom of God, personified as his agent in creation and world-government,
This would also be the MARK of uncivil gender-variant priesthoods.
[347c] But if he does not mind, let us talk no more of poems and verses, but consider the points on which I questioned you at first, Protagoras, and on which I should be glad to reach, with your help, a conclusion.

For it seems to me that arguing about poetry is comparable to the wine-parties of common market-folk. These people, owing to their inability to carry on a familiar conversation over their wine by means of their own voices and discussions

WikiWacky: Today it is practiced by several Protestant, especially Reformed denominations. Hymns besides the Psalms have always been composed by Christians,  but psalms were preferred by the early church and used almost exclusively until the end of the fourth century

There is no command, example or remote inference of group singing with or without instrumental noise in the whole Bible.
The only use of musical instruments was by those engaging in musical idolatry such as at Mount Sinai.

For that offense, God turned them over to worship the starry host to SERVE (that Abaddon word) as Sorcerers making instrumental noisie as exorcism during animal slaughter. Christ in Isaiah 1 and Jeremiah 7 said that God DID NOT command such sacrifices. Sorry they missed Acts 7

The early church was commanded to SPEAK that which is written for our learning.
Both the ODE and PSALLO were in the heart or SILENCED as Paul commanded the singing silenced in 1 Corinthians 14
We have noted that SPEAK is the opposite of ODE.  The Spirit OF Christ made certain that we hear Him EXCLUDED external musical performance when He comes to be our ONLY Teacher engaged in the School (only) of Christ (only).
God breathed (spirit) the Word which Jesus spoke WITHOUT METRON or Meter.  Jesus knew that all musical terms mark witchcraft or sorcery.

There is nothing that anyone COULD sing or DID sing by the command to use the Text which is not METRICAL.
SINGING was permitted by Calvin by some Psalms being radically recomposed to make a simple melody in unison possible.

There was no "praise service" in the synagogue because no rational person would think about singing when the command was to PREACH the Word (only) by READING the Word for Comfort and Doctrine. Christ the Rock outlawed "vocal or instrumental rejoicing or rhetoric" for the Qahal, synagogue, ekklesia or church of Christ.  Jesus exampled the PATTERN by standing up to read the text from beginning o the end of primarily the prophets.  He then PATTERNED the pattern by decently and in order SITTING DOWN and waiting for discussion.

2Peter 1:15 Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease
        to have these things always in remembrance.
2Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables,
        when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,
        but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

fābŭla , 1.  Most freq., a dramatic poem, drama, play (syn.: ludus, cantus, actio, etc.): in full, fabula scaenica,Amm. 28, 1, 4; “or, theatralis,id. 14, 6, 20: “fabula ad actum scenarum composita,Quint. 5, 10, 9;

cantus , ūs, m. id., I.the production of melodious sound, a musical utterance or expression, either with voice or instrument; hence, song, singing, playing, music
2. With instruments, a playing, music: “in nervorum vocumque cantibus  “citharae,” “querulae tibiae,
B. An incantation, charm, magic song, etc.: cantusque artesque magorum.  



Hdt. 1.155 [3] “O King, what you say is reasonable. But do not ever yield to anger, or destroy an ancient city that is innocent both of the former and of the present offense. For the former I am responsible, and bear the punishment on my head; while Pactyes, in whose charge you left Sardis, does this present wrong; let him, then, pay the penalty.
        [4] Grant, then, forgiveness to the Lydians,
        and to
make sure of their never rebelling against thee, or alarming thee more,
        send and
forbid them to keep any weapons of war,
                  command them
to wear tunics under their cloaks, and to put buskins upon their legs,
......        ....and make them bring up their sons to cithern-playing (Kitharizein),
singing (psallein),
...        .......and shop-keeping (Hucksterism). 
So wilt thou soon see them
become women instead of men,
and there will be no more fear of their revolting from thee


HO, every one that thirsteth,
        come ye to the waters,
        and he that hath no money;
        come ye, buy, and eat; yea,
        come, buy wine and milk WITHOUT MONEY
        and WITHOUT PRICE. Isa 55:1

2 Cor. 2:17 For we are not as many,
............ which corrupt the word of God:
............ but as of sincerity, but as of God,
............ in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

kapēl-euō,  A. to be a retail-dealer, drive a petty trade Hdt. 3.89  ta mathēmata sell learning by retail, hawk it about, Pl. Prt.313d , 2 Cor. 2:17, of prostitutes,
Plat. Prot. 313d  For among the provisions, you know, in which these men deal, not only are they themselves ignorant what is good or bad for the body, since in selling they commend them all, but the people who buy from them are so too, unless one happens to be a trainer or a doctor. And in the same way, those who take their doctrines the round of our cities, hawking them about to any odd purchaser who desires them, commend everything that they sell, and there may well be some of these too, my good sir, who are ignorant which of their wares is

good or bad for the soul; and in just the same case are the people who buy from them, unless one happens to have a doctor's knowledge here also, but of the soul. So then, if you are well informed as to what is good or bad among these wares, it will be safe for you to buy doctrines from Protagoras or from anyone else you please: but if not, take care, my dear fellow, that you do not risk your greatest treasure on a toss of the dice.
IIsell by retail, “ton herpinHippon.51.
2.  metaph., k. ta prēgmata, of Darius, Hdt.3.89; k. ta mathēmata sell learning by retail, hawk it about, Pl. Prt.313d; “k. ton logon tou theou2 Ep.Cor.2.17; so eoiken ou kapēleusein makhēn will not peddle in war, i. e. fight half-heartedly, A.Th. 545; “k. Khariti tēn amoibēnEpicur.Sent.Vat.39; k. tēn politeian traffic in grants of citizenship, D.C.60.17; k. tēs hōras anthos or tēn hōran, of prostituteseirēnēn pros Rhōmaious Khrusiou k. tukhē kapēleuousa . . ton bion playing tricks with life, corrupting it,  

X.Mem.1.6.13  Xen. Mem. 1.6.13

To this Socrates replied: “Antiphon, it is common opinion among us
        in regard to beauty and wisdom
                that there is an honourable
                and a shameful way of bestowing them.
        For to offer one's beauty for money to all comers is called prostitution;

        But we think it virtuous to become friendly with
              a lover who is known to be a man of honour.

        So is it with wisdom. Those who offer it to all comers for money
               are known as sophists, prostitutors of wisdom

        But we think that he who makes a friend of one whom he knows to be gifted
               by nature, and teaches him all the good he can,

               fulfils the duty of a citizen and a gentleman.

Sophis-tēs , ou, o(, A. master of one's craft, adept, expert, of diviners, Hdt.2.49; of poets, “meletan sophistais prosbalonPi.I.5(4).28, cf. Cratin.2; of musicians, “sophistēs . . parapaiōn khelunA.Fr.314, cf. Eup.447, Pl.Com. 140; sophistē Thrēki (sc. Thamyris) E.Rh.924, cf. Ath.14.632c: with modal words added, “hoi s. tōn hierōn melōn[melody in the holy place--a death sentence for any Levite]

Jay Guin Dancing in Worship: The Churches of Christ are not Calvinist in their soteriology (theology of how to be saved) but we are culturally Calvinists. Most of our early preachers were Presbyterians or Baptists (back when Baptists were largely TULIP Calvinists), and most of our “converts” came from various Baptist factions. Our approach to building design, “reverence” in worship, our distaste for stained glass, and such like all trace back to our Calvinist roots.

On Adult Baptism John Calvin said that the Remission of Sins was promised only by baptism: he attributed a lot more to Baptism than the Campbells but Alexander agrees that Calvin could be a CAMPBELLITE.
And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the REMOVING
       of those things that are shaken, 
       as of things that are made, 
       that those things which cannot be shaken
[a trumpet-like word]

       may remain. Heb 12:27

Wherefore we RECEIVING a KINGDOM which cannot be moved, let us have GRACE,

761.  asaleutos, as-al´-yoo-tos; from 1 (as a negative particle) and a derivative of 4531;
unshaken, i.e. (by implication) immovable (figuratively):  which cannot be moved, unmovable. 

WHEREBY, we may SERVE God acceptably with REVERENCE and godly fear: Heb 12:28

For our God is a consuming fire. Heb 12:29

What part of Reverence and Godly Fear does the modern MUSIC MEN detest?

G2124 eulabeia yoo-lab'-i-ah From G2126 ; properly caution, that is, (religiously) reverence (piety); by implication dread (concretely): fear (-ed

G2126 eulabïs yoo-lab-ace' From G2095 and G2983 ; taking well (carefully), that is, circumspect (religiously, pious):-- devout.

Jay Guin Dancing in Worship:  (Heb 10:24-25 ESV)  24 And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works

katano-eō , A. observe well, understand, apprehend, of a doctrine,
        to be grasped and hence accepted, mallon mallon k. ; eis kardian -eitai is understood of . . ,
        perceive, the percipient to the perceived,  to be in one's right mind, in one's senses,         

ergon We don't do LEGALISTIC WORKS when we gather together. 2 result of work, profit or interest, ergon [khrēmatōn] interest or profit on money,

25 not neglecting to meet together [episunagōgēn ], as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.

In other words, how can you encourage someone else (the voice is active)? One approach is to recognize that in your congregation there is a new spirit/Spirit of worship emerging. Members are slowly becoming more expressive. They are feeling free to feel the words, to truly mean the lyrics.

But only a few. Most of those present are, for reasons they don’t understand, trapped in a legalistic, culturally and emotionally stunted form of expression. They feel its wrongness in their cores, but don’t know how to escape. In fact, they worry that it might somehow be wrong to give into these Spirit-prompted impulses.

The church leaders are not going to shut down a little clapping or hands-raising, but neither are they going to push these new postures either. “Let the Spirit lead where it wills” would be a common attitude for a transitional church such as this one.

Therefore, lead your fellow members by expressing what you feel, by assuming whatever posture the Spirit wants to lead you toward, by encouraging others who need to feel permission by seeing an older, respected woman enjoying the freedom that God has given her. Let the Spirit lead through you.

Obviously, freedom can be abused, but you are not going to be the one abusing it. You are too godly and too Spirit-led for that to be an issue. (I just had to say it because there’s always a reader concerned that we be explicit about the dangers of abuse. Yes; they exist. No; I’m not worried about them because I know you and trust the Spirit.)

After all, it makes no sense at all to disapprove of a cross in a window of the auditorium (as a “graven image”) while plasti-tacking paintings of the face of Jesus all over our children’s wings. (Thankfully, the women in our children’s program typically have a healthier understanding of these things than our preachers and elders.) It’s cultural, not theological, and therefore largely unconscious and unconsidered. We just know it must be wrong because that’s how it’s always been.

And because CENI is really about rationalizing the answer we want for reasons other than the CENI-stated reason, we use CENI to declare “lifting holy hands” unauthorized, when it’s really commanded, and to say that bowing is metaphorical, when I think Paul was being quite literal.

You see, our real goal is to have a nice assembly that is uncontrovertibly performed decently and in order — and hence only criticized by the young. And CENI can be made to fit any such need — all the while pushing the conversation into the hopelessly dense morass of “the laws of generic and specific authority,” which are so much more easily controlled than the Spirit.

You see, CENI is not only a rationalization for doing what we want, it’s also a mechanism for protecting us from the Spirit’s annoying habit of leading where the members aren’t ready to go. Anyone can cobble together a CENI-based argument against anything.

Maybe we should move the pews further apart so we have room to prostrate ourselves before God. Maybe we should even leave a dance  floor, to properly celebrate the return of God to his people and the coming of the Kingdom and the good news of the Kingdom of heaven.

Psalmos also appears in the LXX as equivalent to the Hebrew word neginah. This Hebrew term is used to describe a wide variety of songs. Neginah is translated by psalmos in Lam 3:14 (song), in Lam 5:14 (music) and in Ps 69:12 (song). It is striking to observe that in the LXX translation of Lam 3:14 and Ps 69:12, psalmos, or its verbal form, is used for songs that are not only uninspired but are in fact the product of the wicked, even drunkards, who mocked God and His word. The Hebrew term neginah is used elsewhere in the Hebrew Scriptures of: the songs of the wicked, Job 30:9 (song); the inspired praise of God, Psalm 61 title (Neginah-a song performed on a stringed instrument); and the uninspired praise of the Lord composed by King Hezekiah, Is 38:20 (my songs).

"Some of the psalms express a tribalistic hatred of foreign powers; even the beautiful laments of the exiles 'by the waters of Babylon,' for example, concludes with the assurance that the daughter of Babylon will be destroyed. 'Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth the little ones against the stones.'

"But in nearly a third of the collection the 'enemies' whose death the psalmist so confidently prays for and anticipates are not Gentile nations,

but individual Jews who do not share the religious conviction of the Hasidim (Pharisees). In the words of Psalm 58, 'the righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked. So that a man shall say, Verily there is reward for the righteous: verily he is a God that judgeth in the earth." (Parkes, Henry Bamford, Gods and Men The Origins of Western Culture, p. 134, Knopf)

"Its (pipe = to love passionately) was apparently a secular instrument and is never listed in the temple orchestra;

only in Ps. 150:4 it is mentioned in a religious (but not ritual) function.
Its ethos was not blameless at all, ase we see from Genesis Rabbah 50: 'The angels said to Lot: 'There are players of the pipe (
organ) in the country, hence it ought to be destroyed.'" Its rabbinical identification with the aboda, the flute of the notorious Syrian bayaderes, emphasizes the erotic element which already the Hebrew name suggests." (Interpreters Dictionary of the Bible, p. 460, Abingdon).

"Only in Ps 150:3 is it (shophar) mentioned with most of the other really musical instruments. Hence, we must conclude that the function of the shophar was to make noise ; be it of earthly or of eschatological character, but not to make music.

After the destruction of the temple and the general banishment of all instrumental music,
the shophar alone survived, just because it was not a musical instrument." (Interpreters Dictionary of the Bible, p. 473, Abingdon).

The timbrel "was aa typical women's instrument. It is mentioned seventimes in the OT; thus it must have been very popular. Although it occurs in the Psalter and in religious hymns (Exod 15; Jer. 31:4),

it was not permitted in the temple. Its function in the Bible was restricted to secular or religious frolicking, cultic dances, or processions (e. g., II Sam. 6:5; 1I Chr. 13:4; Ps. 68:25). Its absence in the temple ritual was possible due to the strong female symbolism, which always accompanied the tambourine, and which made its use so popular at all fertility rites." (Interpreters Dictionary of the Bible, p. 474, Abingdon).

Jay Guin Dancing in Worship:  These ideas sound absurd, even terrifying to some, because we have in the Churches of Christ a clash with the ancient Near East culture, in which feelings are expressed physically. The Eastern people described in the Bible dance, clap, shout, sing, bow, prostrate themselves, and otherwise make their feelings a whole-body experience. They celebrate with everything they have.

Worship in a literal sense means to FALL ON YOUR FACE because you recognize that God is not a sexually active teenage girl.

Matthew 27:29 And when they had platted a crown of thorns, they put it upon his head,
        and a reed in his right hand: and they bowed the knee before him,
        and mocked him, saying, Hail, King of the Jews!
Matthew 27:28 And they stripped him, and put on him a scarlet robe.
Matthew 27:31 And after that they had mocked him, they took the robe off from him,
        and put his own raiment on him, and led him away to crucify him.

, fut. to be deluded  II. sport in or on, “hōs nebros khloerais e. leimakos hēdonaisE.Ba. 866 (lyr.); tois khoroisin e. to sport in the dance, Ar.Th.975; “ gumnasiōLuc.Lex.5.
-Prospaizô2. abs., sport, jest3. laugh at, make fun or sport ofsing to the gods, sing in their praise or honour, 2. banter, tous rhêtoras

-Aristoph. Thes.[947] Let us now devote ourselves to the sports which the women are accustomed to celebrate here, when time has again brought round the mighty Mysteries of the great goddesses, the sacred days which Pauson himself honours by fasting and would wish feast to succeed feast, that he might keep them all holy. Spring forward with a light step, whirling in mazy circles; let your hands interlace, let the eager and rapid dancers sway to the music and glance on every side as they move. -
The Spirit OF Christ in the Prophets defined the Church both inclusively and exclusively. In chapter 30:


Jay Guin Dancing in Worship: But our cultural roots trace back to Northern Europe, Geneva and Scotland especially, and these are cultures that separate the emotions from the body, indeed, that often distrust the emotions. It’s the Westerners/Northern European who want a “rational” answer when none is really needed. Why not just act the way you feel, when what you feel is worship?

And most recorded history believed that they got the idea of Reverence by being a Child of the Almighty or by reading the Word or by understanding the PERSONA of body worshipers. None of the end time sowers of discord read the TEXT:

Romans 12:1I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that
        YE present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God,
        which is your reasonable service.  
        ēn logikēn latreian humōn:

FIRST grasp that information flows FROM God to Disciples (only) and they present their self to the Written Word or God the Living Word:

Present is paristēmi , II. set before the mind, present, touto p. tous theous humin that they may put this into your minds, Id.18.1 ; “to deinon p. tois akouousinId.21.72
5. make good, prove, show, “ I. stand by, beside, or near
2. collect oneself, VI. 2. to be passionately devoted to, “hippoisi paresteōtes

Dem. 18 1 My next prayer is for you, and for your conscience and honor. May the gods so inspire you that the temper with which you listen to my words shall be guided, not by my adversary—

Dem. 21 72 No description, men of Athens, can bring the outrage as vividly before the hearers as it appears in truth and reality to the victim and to the spectators.

Latin: Romans 12.1 obsecro itaque vos fratres per misericordiam Dei ut exhibeatis corpora vestra hostiamviventemsanctam Deo placentem rationabile obsequium vestrum

Rătĭōnābĭlis , e, adj. ratio (post-Aug.; = rationalis, which is in better use), I. reasonable, rational: he pure milk of reason, id. 1 Pet. 2, 2: “sententia vera et rationabilis,
Sententĭa , ae, f. for sentientia, from sentio,
I. a way of thinking, opinion, judgment, sentiment; a purpose, determination, decision, will, etc.
I. Transf., of words, discourse, etc., sense, meaning, signification, idea, notion, etc.
1. In gen., a thought expressed in words; a sentence, period: dum de singulis sententiis breviter disputo

Greek rational worship demands:

logi^k-os , ē, on, (logos)
A. of or for speaking or speech, merē l. the organs of speech, Plu.Cor.38:
logikē, , speech, Opposite. mousikē, Opposite phantasia expressed in speech,
II. possessed of reason, intellectual, “merosTi.Locr.99e, al.; “to l. zōon   
        dianoētikai, Mind Opposite. ēthikai, Arist.EN1108b9.
        Ethi^k-os , A. ēthos11) moral, Opposite. dianoētikos, Arist.EN1103a5,
        al.; ta ēthika a treatise on morals,
2. dialectical, argumentative, hoi l. dialogoi
    logical, l. sullogismoi, Opposite. rhētorikoi, Rh.1355a13.
peri logikōn title of work, Opposite to phusikon, to ēthikon,
And Phusikos is the opposite of logikos
phu^sikos , ē, onA. natural, produced or caused by nature, inborn, native,
II. of or concerning the order of external nature, natural, physical, ph. epistēmē
2. ho ph.an inquirer into nature, natural philosopher,
4. Adv. “-kōsaccording to the laws of nature,
phu^sikos  is the Opposite of logikōs,
III. later, belonging to occult laws of nature, magical, ph. pharmaka spells or amulets,
Enthousi-astikos , ē, on, A. inspired, phusisPl.Ti.71e; esp. by music, Arist.Pol.1340a11; “ e. sophiadivination, Plu.Sol.12; “e. ekstasisIamb.Myst.3.8; “to e.excitement, Pl.Phdr. 263d: Sup. -ōtatos Sch.Iamb.Protr.p.129 P. Adv. “-kōs, diatithenai tinaPlu.2.433c: Comp. “-ōteronMarin.Procl.6.
Sophia , A.cleverness or skill in handicraft and art, in music and singing, tekhnē kai s. h.Merc.483, cf. 511; in poetry, Sol.13.52, Pi.O.1.117, in divination, S.OT 502

Jay Guin Dancing in Worship: No First Century Jew would ask for a rational reason to dance or to lift his hands toward heaven. What is rational about feeling the love of God? What is rational about knowing that God has come to his throne, bringing good news of the salvation of the nations? What is rational about –

There is no example of a Jew lifting his hands toward heaven other than by the worshipers of stars, fire and serpents.
The message is to TURN UP YOUR PALMS as Jews and Muslims do meaning "I am speaking according to YOUR Word." Only women waved their arms which meant TAKE ME: I AM AVAILABLE.

That may be true but Christ in the prophets said that the Jews had a covenant with Death and With Hell. Only the high priest was permitted to turn up his PALMS as if reading the Word.  Waving arms around in the air always meant "Here I am: take me."

(Mat 22:37-38 ESV)  37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.  38 This is the great and first commandment.”

Jay Guin Dancing in Worship: If I truly felt this kind of love for God, why would I need permission or book, chapter, and verse to maybe find pleasure in a praise song and just possibly smile — and even clap in the happiest parts?

The FORK OF THE ROAD at Mount Sinai is repeated without redemption


"Erotic dance was a sacred ritual in ancient Egypt, common in fertility rituals and sex magick. The most famous was the erotic dance of the priestesses of Het Heret [whom the Greeks called Hathor], but also common in the temples of Bast, Aset [Isis], and Nuit.

"During the erotic dance ritual, the priestess would actually become the Goddess in all Her glory. According to the ancient texts, during the erotic dance ritual the priestesses would achieve visionary orgasm in which great truths were revealed.

"Het Heret was the over-arching sky cow Goddess, associated with fertility and bounty and plenty. Married couples would go to the temples of Het Heret for fertility rites that would hopefully lead to a successful pregnancy. The temples were filled with sweet smelling incense.

Typically sweets and red beer or golden ale would flow freely.
The priestesses of Het Heret would dance to the
rhythms of live drumming.
When the couples were sufficiently aroused, they would engage in sexual intercourse
on comfortable pillows.

"The priestesses would often enter into an altered state of consciousness during erotic dance, becoming the Goddess manifest in human form. On occassion the priestesses would experience compelling spiritual visions while in this eroticly charged state.

From Source See Bast and Lesbians

Heredotus II notes that "The following are the proceedings on occasion of the assembly at Bubastis:-

Men and women come sailing all together, vast numbers in each boat, many of the women with castanets, which they strike, while some of the men pipe during the whole time of the voyage; the remainder of the voyagers,
........ male and female, sing the while, and make a clapping with their hands.
........ When they arrive opposite any of the towns upon the banks of the stream,
........ they approach the shore, and, while some of the women continue to play and sing,

others call aloud to the females of the place and load them with abuse, while a certain number dance, and some standing up uncover themselves. After proceeding in this way all along the river-course, they reach Bubastis, where they celebrate the feast with abundant sacrifices.
........ More grape-wine is consumed at this festival than in all the rest of the year besides.

The number of those who attend, counting only the men and women and omitting the children, amounts, according to the native reports, to seven hundred thousand.

Jay Guin Dancing in Worship: But our culture demands a reason and a rationale. In fact, we’d really prefer to worship in response to a command rather than being asked to decide for ourselves how to respond to God’s salvation. We are truly an emotionally stunted people.

(Psa 149:1-5 ESV) Praise the LORD! Sing to the LORD a new song, his praise in the assembly of the godly!  2 Let Israel be glad in his Maker; let the children of Zion rejoice in their King!  3 Let them praise his name with dancing, making melody to him with tambourine and lyre!  4 For the LORD takes pleasure in his people; he adorns the humble with salvation.  5 Let the godly exult in glory; let them sing for joy on their beds.

Being abandoned to worship the starry host, David wanted to praise (make self vile) in the FIRMAMENT. In Psalm 149 in his devotion to Apollyon and Dionysus he wanted to GET IN BED with His God who was never Jehovah the RATIONAL or LOGOS principle of the universe.

Praise is h1986 Halal source of LUCIFER.

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H2342 chûl khool, kheel A primitive root; properly to twist or whirl (in a circular or spiral manner), that is, (specifically) to dance, to writhe in pain (especially of parturition) or fear; figuratively to wait, to pervert:bear, (make to) bring forth, (make to) calve, dance, drive away, fall grievously (with pain), fear, form, great, grieve, (be) grievous, hope, look, make, be in pain, be much (sore) pained, rest, shake, shapen, (be) sorrow (-ful), stay, tarry, travail (with pain), tremble, trust, wait carefully (patiently), be wounded.
Psa. 149:4 For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation.
Psa. 149:5 Let the saints be joyful in glory:
........let them sing aloud upon their beds.

When the preachers say that there was nothing wrong with the worship condemned by Amos but a BAD MENTAL ATTITUDE they forget to tell you that both father and mother went into the same temple prostitute. David was before the temple but the singers and players playing around any sacrificial altar were prostitutes and Sodomites often permitted holy whores.
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Apis the golden calf or calves represented Osiris, Isis and Horus: the pagan trinity of father, mother and son.

Horus was the posthumous son and heir of the god Osiris, the primordial king and giver of life. He was invited by his uncle, Seth, to spend a day. Seth’s real motive was not to show him hospitality but to disqualify him from inheriting his father’s royal power. To this end, while Horus slept Seth committed an act of sodomy upon him. Since sodomy was inflicted as a punishment on a defeated enemy and was a symbol of domination, Seth could then claim that he had conquered Horus and demand the kingship in his place.

Historically, the rape of males was more widely recognized in ancient times. Several of the legends in Greek mythology involved abductions and sexual assaults of males by other males or gods. The rape of a defeated male enemy was considered the special right of the victorious soldier in some societies and was a signal of the totality of the defeat. There was a widespread belief that a male who was sexually penetrated, even if it was by forced sexual assault, thus "lost his manhood," and could no longer be a warrior or ruler. Gang rape of a male was considered an ultimate form of punishment and, as such, was known to the Romans as punishment for adultery and the Persians and Iranians as punishment for violation of the sanctity of the harem (Donaldson, 1990). Donaldson, Donald. (1990). "Rape of Males," in Dynes, Wayne, ed. Encyclopedia of Homosexuality. New York: Garland Publications.

Jay Guin Dancing in Worship:  Therefore, David’s posture of worship before God is lying in bed, watching the sun rise over the eastern Judean wilderness, as he plays his lyre to God. Psalm 149

The Morning or Evening Star is called LUCIFER, Venus, Zoe and EVE among the feminists and effeminate.


Must ye always rejoice, and go into my holy places continually, as they that keep a feast? and must ye go with a PIPE, as those that rejoice into the mountain of the Lord, to the God of Israel Isaiah 30:29 LXX

"The ritual observances at the Hebrew and at a Canaanite sanctuary were so similar that to the mass of the people Jehovah worship and Baal worship were not separated by any well-marked line...

A sacrifice was a public ceremony of a township or clan... Then the crowds streamed into the sanctuary from all sides, dressed in their gayest attire, marching joyfully to the sound of music, and bearing with them not only the victims appointed for sacrifice, but store of bread and wine set forth the feast... Universal hilarity prevailed." (Gurney, O.R., Some Aspects of Hittite Religion, p. 37, Oxford University Press, 1977)

"Many of the Psalms are expressive of the parade dance, or dance procession, in a way which show it to have been the characteristic form of the festival (Psalms 30:12, 87:7, 149:3, 150:4; Is. 30:29) and that this was where many of the Psalms were used." ( W. O. E. Osterley, The Sacred Dance (Cambridge: N. P., 1923), p. 94)

Strabo, Geography: Fourthly, music, which includes dancing as well as rhythm and melody, at the same time, by the delight it affords and by its artistic beauty,

ghe cultic dance went on right"T\ down to the last days of the Temple. Rabbinic tradition speaks particularly of a torch dance by night at the water pouring ceremony at the Feast of Tabernacles: It was said that the gladness there was above everything. Pious men danced with torches in their hands and sang songs of joy and praised,

while the Levites played all sorts of instruments. The dance drew great crowds of spectators for whom grandstands had been erected. It did not end until the morning at a given sign, when water from the spring of Shiloh was poured over the altar. This is certainly not the invention of later Jewish times, but a very old tradition" ( W. O. E. Osterley, The Sacred Dance (Cambridge: N. P., 1923), p. 94)

But Jesus said that this was not the Water He provided.

brings us in touch with the divine, and this for the following reason;

for although it has been well said that human beings then act most like the gods when they are doing good to others,

yet one might better say, when they are happy; and such happiness consists of rejoicing, celebrating festivals, pursuing philosophy, and engaging in music;
........... for, if music is perverted when musicians turn their art to sensual delights
........... at symposiums and in orchestric and scenic performances and the like,

Jay Guin Dancing in Worship:  What is the correct posture for playing with your grandchildren? Do we need book, chapter, and verse to know that it’s okay to get down on the floor and just enjoy the physicality of an 18-month old? Why do we imagine that God won’t get down on the floor with us?

While we futz and fight over instrumental backgrounds to videos, Paul is telling us to put everything we have into it — just as David said.

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Jay Guin Dancing in Worship: The following psalm is quoted by Paul in Eph. 5:19 (yep, that Eph 5:19).

(Psa 108:1-3 ESV)  My heart is steadfast, O God! I will sing and make melody with all my being!  2 Awake, O harp and lyre! I will awake the dawn!  3 I will give thanks to you, O LORD, among the peoples; I will sing praises to you among the nations.

Dawn is the "mother" of Lucifer: after all everyone but the godly who attended synagogue were abandoned to worship the starry host.  Jay speaks of making Worship Wars:

Psa. 108:12 Give us help from trouble: for vain is the help of man.
Psa. 108:13 Through God we shall do valiantly: for he it is that shall tread down our enemies.

“Sing and make melody” is verbatim the same in the Greek in both verses. Paul is obviously referring to this instrumental psalm —

H7891 shı̂yr shûr sheer, shoor The second form being the original form, used in (1 Sam. 18:6 ); a primitive root (rather identical with H7788 through the idea of strolling minstrelsy); to sing:—behold [by mistake for H7789 ], sing (-er, -ing man, -ing woman).
H7788 shûr shoor A primitive root; properly to turn, that is, travel about (as a harlot or a merchant):—go, sing. See also H7891 .
Praise is not MELODY

H2167 zâmar zaw-mar' A primitive root (perhaps identical with H2168 through the idea of striking with the fingers); properly to touch the strings or parts of a musical instrument

With the fingers in Psallo means NEVER with a guitar pick, blow a flute, beat on something.

Never means
or includes an instrument unless it is named:

H2168 zâmar zaw-mar' A primitive root (compare H2167 , H5568 , H6785 ); to trim (a vine):—prune.

Jay Guin Dancing in Worship: but the real point is deeper than that. Paul wants us to worship with all our hearts (Eph 5:19) or all our being (Psa 108:1). He’s calling for a level of passion that measures up to the greatness of God.

l never connected singing or playing an instruments with WORSHIP: Reading 101a notes

The command is to SPEAK that which is written for our learning
BUT, ODE and PSALLO IN (place) our hearts which means keep it silent silly Jesus is speaking IF you have an APT elder.
LEXIS is the opposite of ODE and ODE is the opposite of LEXIS
Psallo is a "making war or making perverted love word" and has no musical meaning:  Apollyon is the father of musical harmony and homosexual worship.

Jay Guin Dancing in Worship:  Why does David declare that he will “awake the dawn” with music? Because he intends his worship to begin when he wakes up, and he’ll continue with his worship until he falls asleep that night. His worship will be from his entire being because he loves God with his entire being. It’s an all-day posture.

David was not a Preacher or Worship Minister: he was a KING and the Jacob-cursed and God-abandoned Levites were under the kings and commanders of the army: they made war and many psalms were warrior taunt songs that the enemy gets the HORUS treatment before being murdered.

David was abandoned to worship the starry host including Abaddon or Apollyon from beginning to the end.

Pindar, Nemean, 9 [6] There is a saying among men: a noble deed when it is accomplished should not be buried silently in the ground; and divine song is suited to boasting. But we will wake the shouting lyre and the flute in honor of the very pinnacle of horse-contests, which Adrastus established for Phoebus [Apollo] by the streams of the Asopus. Father Zeus, I pray that I may celebrate this excellence by the favor of the Graces, and excel many poets in honoring victory with my verses, [55] throwing my shaft nearest of all to the mark of the Muses.

His shaft was not a spear for heaven's sake.

Psalms 57:8 Awake up, my glory; awake, psaltery and harp: I myself will awake early.
Psalms 108:2 Awake, psaltery and harp: I myself will awake early.

We even have a mention at a later date of a similar custom in connection with the cult in Jerusalem, where certain Levites, called me'oreim, 'arousers," sang every morning this verse from Ps 44: 'Awake, Lord, awake! Do not abandon us for ever." The Talmud tells us that Johy Hyrcanus suppressed the practice because it recalled too readily a pagan custom.

Psalms 44:23 Awake, why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise, cast us not off for ever.
Psalms 44:24 Wherefore hidest thou thy face, and forgettest our affliction and our oppression?

A similar practice is attested in connection with the cult of Herakles-Melkart. According to Menander, as he is quoted by Josephus, the king Hiram, who was a contemporary of Solomon, rebuilt the temples of Tyre and, 'he was the first to celebrate the awakening of Heracles in the month of Peritius." (de Vaux, p. 247)

This was the personification of Lucifer whom Christ called the "singing and harp-playing harlot" in the gardenof Eden

In an inscription from Cyprus, in one from Rhodes and in several from around the district of Carthage, there are references to important personages who bear the title Mqm"lm which we can translate as 'arouser of the god." (de Vaux, p. 247).

Habakkuk 2:20 But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him.

Silence can only be understood by the use of lexicons to see how the word is used: God always silences all of the works of human hands so that HE can speak when the elders teach that which has been taught. 

Sileo  to be noiseless, still, or silent, to keep silence; act., not to speak of, to keep silent respecting a thing (class.; stronger than tacere). I.  Transf., to be still or quiet (OPPOSITE. to being in action), to remain inactive, to rest, cease (in class. prose, for the most part only of things; cf. “quiesco): et cycnea mele Phoebeaque Carmina consimili ratione oppressa silerent,Lucr. 2, 506: “silent diutius Musae Varronis quam solebant,

carmen Incantation, . In gen., a tune, song, air, lay, strain, note, sound, both vocal and instrumental
modi): carmen tuba ista peregit ( = sonus),Enn. Ann. 508 Vahl.: “carmine vocali clarus citharāque Philammon, Ov. M. 11, 317; cf. “vocum,id. ib. 12, 157: “per me (sc. Apollinem) concordant carmina nervis,citharae liquidum carmen,”“lyrae carmen,barbaricum,id. M. 11, 163.—With allusion to playing on the cithara: 4. A response of an oracle, a prophecy, prediction: “ 5. A magic formula, an incantation:
Zechariah 2.[10] Sing and rejoice, daughter of Zion; for, behold, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of you,' says Yahweh. [11] Many nations shall join themselves to Yahweh in that day, and shall be my people; and I will dwell in the midst of you, and you shall know that Yahweh of Hosts has sent me to you. [12] Yahweh will inherit Judah as his portion in the holy land, and will again choose Jerusalem. [13] Be silent, all flesh, before Yahweh; for he has roused himself from his holy habitation!"

Sing is not Musical:  Laetorto rejoice, feel joy, be joyful or glad at any thing, s fonder of warmth than of cold
To laud or praise God we tell others what God has done.

, āvi, ātum, 1, v. a. laus, I.  to praise, laud, commend, extol, eulogize, approve
II. to adduce, name, quote, cite a person as any thing: extolled, praiseworthy, esteemed, excellent

Jay Guin Dancing in Worship:  And this is the root of our number one favorite proof text about how to worship. My suggestion is that we obey it.

(Heb 10:24-25 ESV)  24 And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works,  25 not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.

In other words, how can you encourage someone else (the voice is active)? One approach is to recognize that in your congregation there is a new spirit/Spirit of worship emerging. Members are slowly becoming more expressive. They are feeling free to feel the words, to truly mean the lyrics.

No one was ever so ignorant that they did not know that instrumental sounds DISTURBED or created the laded burden Jesus removed: instrumental sounds do NOT encourage anyone but the FORE HIRE HIRELINGS. The Jews refused to listen to God, rose up in PLAY meaning playing instruments and playing with one another. They were made blind and deaf and could not even HEAR the Word when it was READ (that one piece pattern) in the synagogue each REST Day. The END TIMES are hear and we are having the final shaking:

Hebrews 12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
Hebrews 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying,
        Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
Hebrews 12:27 And this word, Yet once more,
        signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken,
        as of things that are made,
        that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

mŏvĕo  A. Lit.: “movit et ad certos nescia membra modos,Tib. 1, 7, 38: “ut festis matrona moveri jussa diebus,to dance, Hor. A. P. 232: moveri Cyclopa, to represent a Cyclop by dancing (gesticulating), id. Ep. 2, 2, 125: “et fila sonantia movit,struck, Ov. M. 10, 89: “citharam cum voce,id. ib. 5, 112: “tympana,id. H. 4, 48; to disturb: “novis Helicona cantibus,Manil. Astron. 1, 4: “signum movere loco,to move from the place,
struck, Ov. M. 10, 89: “citharam cum voce,id. ib. 5, 112: “tympana,id. H. 4, 48; to disturb: “novis Helicona cantibus,Manil. Astron. 1, 4: “signum movere loco,to move from the place,
a.To excite, occasion, cause, promote, produce; to begin, commence, undertake: “
sŏno I. Neutr., to make a noise, to sound, resound: aes sonit, the trumpet sounds, Enn. ap. Non. 504, 33 (Trag. v. 213 Vahl.): “plectra,Prop. 4 (5), 7, 62. tympana, * Caes. B. C. 3, 105, 4 et saep
Pythius in longā carmina veste sonat,sings, pours forth, accompanies on the lyre, id. 2, 31 (3, 29), 16; cf.: “sonante mixtum tibiis carmen lyra,

cantus , ūs, m. id., I. the production of melodious sound, a musical utterance or expression, either with voice or instrument; hence, song, singing, playing
1. With the voice, a singing, song; in full, cantus vocum,
2. With instruments, a playing, music: “in nervorum vocumque cantibus,Cic. Tusc. 1, 2, 4; id. Rosc. Am. 46, 134: “citharae,Hor. C. 3, 1, 20: “horribili stridebat tibia cantu,Cat. 64, 264: “querulae tibiae,
B. An incantation, charm, magic song, etc.: cantusque artesque magorum

Heb. 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved,
         let us have grace, whereby we may serve [worship] God acceptably
        with reverence and godly fear:
Heb. 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

Jay Guin Dancing in Worship:  But only a few. Most of those present are, for reasons they don’t understand, trapped in a legalistic, culturally and emotionally stunted form of expression. They feel its wrongness in their cores, but don’t know how to escape. In fact, they worry that it might somehow be wrong to give into these Spirit-prompted impulses.

Plat. Laws 10.885d that before threatening us harshly, you should first try to convince and teach us, by producing adequate proofs, that gods exist, and that they are too good to be wheedled by gifts and turned aside from justice. For as it is, this and such as this is the account of them we hear from those who are reputed the best of poets [poiētōn], orators [rhētorōn], seers [manteōn], priests, and thousands upon thousands of others;
        and consequently most of us,
        instead of seeking to avoid wrong-doing,
        do the wrong and then try to make it good.

Legalism or NOMOS defined.
 -Nomos , ho, ( [nemô] ) can mean "the Law of God" without respect to MOSES.
A. that which is in habitual practice, use or possession,  .
I. usage, custom, Mousai melpontai pantōn te nomous kai ēthea kednaHes.Th.66; “n. arkhaios aristos
II. melody, strain, oida d' ornikhōn nomōs pantōnAlcm.67; “n. hippiosPi.O. 1.101; Apollōn hageito pantoiōn n.Id.N.5.25; “n. polemikoiTh.5.69; “epēlalaxan Arai ton oxun n.A.Th.952 (lyr.); “krektoi n.S.Fr. 463, cf. AP9.584: metaph., “tous Haidou n.S.Fr.861.
2. esp. a type of early melody created by Terpander for the lyre as an accompaniment to Epic texts, “n. orthiosHdt.1.24; “n. BoiōtiosS.Fr.966; “n. kitharōdikoiAr.Ra.1282, cf. Pl.Lg.700d, Arist.Po.1447b26, Pr.918b13, etc.; also for the flute, “n. aulōdikosPlu.2.1132d; without sung text, n. aulētikos ib.1133d, cf. 138b, Poll.4.79; later, composition including both words and melody, e.g. Tim.Pers.
The SPIRIT of the Musical Discorders is not HOLY.

Spiritus  Spirit in both Hebrew and Greek speaks of a WIND sometimes a violent blast, breathing or gentle blowing of air, a breath, breeze,

2.The breath of a god, inspiration: haec fieri non possent, nisi ea uno divino et continuato spiritu continerentur,by a divine inspiration, Cic. N. D. 2, 7, 19 ; 3, 11, 28; cf.: poëtam quasi divino quodam spiritu inflari,id. Arch. 8, 18 .--

Cicero 17. And, indeed, we have constantly heard from men of the greatest eminence and learning, that the study of other sciences was made up of learning, and rules, and regular method; but that a poet was such by the unassisted work of nature, and was moved by the vigour of his own mind, and was inspired, as it were, by some divine wrath. Wherefore rightly does our own great Ennius call poets holy; because they seem to be recommended to us by some especial gift, as it were, and liberality of the gods

Wrath or frenzy is the same as ORGE 

Excito excite or incite the animal nature to some sound. Excite, kindle: Tantus Laudo to approve or commend

II.B. The "spritt" of Phoebus or Carmenae (the Muses), spirit of a loud tone, a tempest, of the tympana horrificis, runinis  exciting terror of loud thundering speech, thundererer, god of thunder, Saturn as the sickle bearer.   comedy, poetry,
you take away certain pauses and measures, and make that word which was first in order hindermost, by placing the latter [words] before those that preceded [in the verse]; you will not discern the limbs of a poet, when pulled in pieces  
 Epithumetikos, desiring, coveting, lusting. soul which is the seat of desires and affections.
Tympanum tambourine from Topheth or hell. A. Esp., as beaten by the priests of Cybele, Also by the Bacchantine females B.Trop., a timbrel, etc., as a figure of something effeminate, enervating

Jay Guin Dancing in Worship:  The church leaders are not going to shut down a little clapping or hands-raising, but neither are they going to push these new postures either. “Let the Spirit lead where it wills” would be a common attitude for a transitional church such as this one.


See John Mark Hicls Patterns of Legalism APO

PAUSANIAS ATTICA [1.2.5]  One of the porticoes contains shrines of gods, and a
gymnasium called that of Hermes.

In it is the house of Pulytion, at which it is said that a mystic rite was performed by the most notable Athenians, parodying the Eleusinian mysteries.

But in my time it was devoted to the worship of Dionysus. This Dionysus they call Melpomenus (Minstrel), on the same principle as they call Apollo Musegetes (Leader of the Muses). Here there are images of Athena Paeonia (Healer), of Zeus, of Mnemosyne (Memory) and of the Muses, an Apollo, the votive offering and work of Eubulides, and Acratus, a daemon attendant upon Apollo; it is only a face of him worked into the wall.

After the precinct of Apollo is a building that contains earthen ware images, Amphictyon, king of Athens, feasting Dionysus and other gods.

Apollōn , ho, Apollo: gen. ōnos (also ō An.Ox.3.222): acc.

A.ApollōIG1.9, al., A.Supp.214, S.OC1091, Tr.209 (lyr.) (mostly in adjurations, nēton Apollō, etc.), “ApollōnaPl.Lg.624a, freq. later, Agatharch.7, etc.: voc. “ApollonAlc.1, A.Th.159(lyr.), Cratin.186, etc.; “ApollōnA.Ch.559; cf. Apellōn, Aploun.
II. Pythag. name of a number,

Acts 17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

-[1.1.4] The Athenians have also another harbor, at Munychia, with a temple of Artemis of Munychia, and yet another at Phalerum, as I have already stated, and near it is a sanctuary of Demeter. Here there is also a temple of Athena Sciras, and one of Zeus some distance away, and altars of the gods named Unknown.
        and of heroes, and of the children of Theseus and Phalerus; for this Phalerus is said by the Athenians to have sailed with Jason to Colchis. There is also an altar of Androgeos, son of Minos, though it is called that of Heros; those, however, who pay special attention to the study of their country's antiquities know that it belongs to Androgeos.

Andro'geus  Propertius (2.1. 64) relates that Androgeus was restored to life by Aesculapius. He was worshipped in Attica as a hero, an altar was erected to him in the port of Phalerus (Paus. 1.1.4), and games, androgeōnia, were celebrated in his honour every year in the Cerameicus. (Dict. of Ant. s. v. Androgeōnia.) He was also worshipped under the name Euruguēs, i. e. he who ploughs or possesses extensive fields, whence it has been inferred that originally Androgeus was worshipped as the introducer of agriculture into Attica.

Pausanias Greece Paus. 1.2 But in my time it was devoted to the worship of Dionysus. This Dionysus they call Melpomenus Apollo [Abaddon, Apollyon] Musegetes (Leader of the Muses). 

Mousagetēs 1 doric for Mousēgetēs leader of the Muses, Lat. Musagetes, of Apollo, Plat1 Mous-a_getēs, ou, ho

, Il.1.474, celebrate with song and dance, melpontes hekaergon Il.l.c.; Phoibon [Apollo] sing to the lyre or harp, “meta de sphin emelpeto theios aoidos, phormizōn” [Apollo's Lyre]Melpomenos, epith. of Dionysus at Athens,

Iliad 1 "Son of Atreus," said he, "I deem that we should now turn roving home if we would escape destruction, for we are being cut down by war and pestilence at once. Let us ask some priest or prophet, or some reader of dreams (for dreams, too, are of Jove) who can tell us why Phoebus Apollo is so angry, and say whether it is for some vow that we have broken,

or hecatomb that we have not offered, and whether he will accept the savour of lambs and goats without blemish, so as to take away the plague from us."

Thus through the livelong day to the going down of the sun they feasted, and every one had his full share, so that all were satisfied.

Apollo struck his lyre, and the Muses lifted up their sweet voices, calling and answering one another.

But when the sun's glorious light had faded, they went home to bed, each in his own abode, which lame Vulcan with his consummate skill had fashioned for them. So Jove, the Olympian Lord of Thunder, hied him to the bed in which he always slept; and when he had got on to it he went to sleep, with Juno of the golden throne by his side.

Jay Guin Dancing in Worship:  Therefore, lead your fellow members by expressing what you feel, by assuming whatever posture the Spirit wants to lead you toward, by encouraging others who need to feel permission by seeing an older, respected woman enjoying the freedom that God has given her. Let the Spirit lead through you.

Obviously, freedom can be abused, but you are not going to be the one abusing it. You are too godly and too Spirit-led for that to be an issue. (I just had to say it because there’s always a reader concerned that we be explicit about the dangers of abuse. Yes; they exist. No; I’m not worried about them because I know you and trust the Spirit.)

Matt. 12:45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

Luke 11:26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.

2 Peter 3 End time Mockers

2Pet. 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the WORDS which were spoken before
        by the holy prophets,
        and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
2Pet. 3:3  Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

3 touto prōton ginōskontes hoti eleusontai ep' eskhatōn tōn hēmerōn en empaigmonē empaiktai kata tas idias epithumias autōn poreuomenoi

See Enoch
Jude 14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying,
        Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jude 15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them
        of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed,
        and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Jude 16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts;
        and their mouth speaketh great swelling words,
        having men’s persons in admiration [lying wonders] because of advantage.
Jude 17 But, beloved, remember ye the words
         which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Jude 18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time,
        who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
G1703 empaiktēs emp-aheek-tace' From G1702 ; a derider, that is, (by implication) a false teacher:—mocker, scoffer.
Jude 19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

G592 apodiorizō ap-od-ee-or-id'-zo From G575 and a compound of G1223 and G3724 ; to disjoin (by a boundary, figuratively a party):—separate.
This is the same mocking or PLAY which requested that God REMOVE His Grace and abandon them to worship the starry host: the HAVING FALLEN angels.

illūsor (inl- ), ōris, m. id.,
a mocker, scoffer (post-class.): “legis,Tert. adv. Marc. 4, 35 med.; Aug. Ep. 253 fin.; Paul. Nol. Carm. 20, 72.

Empaig-ma , atos, to, A. jest, mocking, delusion, LXX Is.66.4; magikês empaigmata technês
-Prospaizô2. abs., sport, jest3. laugh at, make fun or sport ofsing to the gods, sing in their praise or honour, 2. banter, tous rhêtoras

Plato Epinomis, or Nocturnal Council:
[980b] and honoring the gods, with high tribute of his hymns and affluence throughout the period of his own life.

Well spoken, indeed, good sir. Yes, may you have this consummation of your laws, after making fine sport in praising the gods and having passed a purer life, to find thereby the best and fairest end!

Then how, Cleinias, do we state it? Do we honor the gods, think you, to the utmost with our hymns, praying that we may be moved to speak the fairest and best things about them? Do you state it so, or how?

-Paig-ma , atos, to, A.play, sport, lôtoshotan . . paigmatabremêi whene'er the pipe sounds its sportive strains, E.Ba.161(lyr.); Ludia p. luras

-Empaizô A. -xomaiLXXHb.1.10: pf. empepaikha ib.Nu.22.29:— mock at, mock, “tiniHdt.4.134; “tinaPCair.Preis.3.10 (iv A.D.): abs., S.Ant.799:—Pass., “psukhē hupo . . sōmatōn kai pragmatōn empaizomenē.
Jdg 19:24 Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing.
The viol or nebel is named after VILE which can be an empty bag or a harp.
Jdg 19:25 But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go
illudo to play at or with any thing, to sport with, amuse one's self with, 2. To sport or fool away a thing, i. e. to destroy or waste in sport; in mal. part., to violate, abuse
2. euphem. in mal. part., LXXJd. 19.25.
3. Pass., to be deluded, Ev.Matt.2.16, AP10.56.2 (Pall.), Vett.Val.16.14; to be defrauded, of the revenues, Cod.Just.1.34.2.
II. sport in or on, “hōs nebros khloerais e. leimakos hēdonaisE.Ba. 866 (lyr.); tois khoroisin e. to sport in the dance, Ar.Th.975; “ gumnasiōLuc.Lex.5.
II. sport in or on, hôs nebros chloerais e. leimakos hêdonais E.Ba. 866 (lyr.); tois choroisin e. to sport in the dance, Ar.Th.975;
2Pet. 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
2Pet. 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the WORD of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pet. 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pet. 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night;
        in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise,
        and the elements shall melt with fervent heat,
        the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

rhoibdos , ho, A. any rushing noise or motion, pterōn rh. whirring of wings, S.Ant.1004; [anemou rh. kai rhumē rushing of the wind, Ar. Nu.407. (Cogn. with rhoizos.)

Revelation 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:


Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Revelation 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Aristoph. Cl. 407 Soc.
Consider, therefore, how you have trumpeted from a little belly so small;
        and how is it not probable that this air, being boundless, should thunder so loudly?

For this reason, therefore, the two names also Trump and Thunder, are similar to each other. But teach me this, whence comes the thunderbolt blazing with fire, and burns us to ashes when it smites us, and singes those who survive. For indeed Jupiter evidently hurls this at the perjured.
2Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan
        with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th. 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;
        because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th. 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
-Teratourg-eô, A. WORK wonders, pseudōs tiSch.Pi.I.7(6).13.

    -Pindar Isthmian 7 Odes: [1] In which of the local glories of the past, divinely blessed Thebe, did you most delight your spirit? Was it when you raised to eminence the one seated beside Demeter of the clashing bronze cymbals, flowing-haired [5] Dionysus? Or when you received, as a snow-shower of gold in the middle of the night, the greatest of the gods[20] then begin the victory [Nike: TRIUMPH OVER] procession with a sweet-singing hymn for Strepsiades; for he is the victor in the pancratium at the Isthmus, both awesome in his strength and handsome to look at; and he treats excellence as no worse a possession than beauty. [23] He is made radiant by the violet-haired Muses, and he has given a share in his flowering garland to his uncle and namesake
-The-ama , Ion. theêma , atos, to, ( [theaomai] ) A. sight, spectacle, Semon.7.67, A.Pr.306, E.Supp.783, Ar.Av.1716, etc.; ei tis orchoit' eu, theam' ên Pl.Com.130 ; Opposite mathêma, Th.2.39; freq. of a sight which gives pleasure, theamata kai akroamata hêdista parecheis X.Smp.2.2 , cf. 7.5; orchêseis kai theamata Phld.Mus.p.26 K.; emplêsthête tou kalou th. Pl. R.440a; but also th. dustheaton A.Pr.69 , cf. S.Aj.992; hepta th. the seven wonders of the world, Str.14.2.5, Plu.2.983e: sg., of a marvellously engraved ring, Gal.UP17.1.

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