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This Hohenwald Church of Christ Review page will test the continuing false teaching about baptism and fellowship with charismatics. The page will be updated throughout the day as time and church-drained energy revives. If you have any comments or corrections my e-mail is here: just click. ksublett@piney.com 12/15/03 2:49 P.M.

See the letter to the elders and Bruce McIntyre which accuses them of false teachings: the loss of probably 100 members who tell the same story confirms this letter.

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Should you EXPOSE your Children to Winterfest?

"Of particular interest is the way that early modern playwrights, music theorists, and theater apologists addressed this conflated language of the "enemy," by echoing the same connections between sexuality and playing found in the most virulent antitheatrical tracts. "As this paper will demonstrate, by "playing" with the conflated language, these writers defended their art, justifying their existence in a society that was both seduced and repulsed by them. By claiming the polemical antitheatrical language, these players escaped from the ideological margins to which their opponents had tried to relegate them.Using the artifices of mimesis (imitation) and comedy they pointed out and--

-defused their opponents' anxieties about music, theater, and sexuality,

creating a space for players in the cultural mainstream."

See Walling 1995 training our youth to rebel: it works! YOUTH comes in all ages!

The credo in RED is what the elders, preacher and one deacon believe. After getting control they have decided to betray the church rather than go out and evangelize as Baptists or the Church of God. This is the product of men like Rubel Shelly who, once defrocked by churches of Christ, has spent his life trying to destroy those who base their faith and practice on the BIBLE.

The comments in BLACK are commentary on what the CHURCH MEMBERS of Hohenwald church of Christ and the entire county would agree with.

The comments in BLUE are from the Bible or other resource of Bible Believers who as DISCIPLES are CHRISTIANS. Disciples are made ONLY by baptizing and teaching STUDENTS whatever God has revealed by the Spirit of Christ Who as WORD is the eternal Creator God manifest so we can discern Him and His Mind. Only baptized Disciples are Christians.

"when the Son of Man comes, will He find [persistence in] faith on the earth?" [Luke 18:8; Ibid.]

One of THE major signs that the End of the Age is truly approaching is when you see the great majority of Christian churches falling away from the Fundamentals of the Faith. A pastor or church leader that knowingly moves away from teaching the "full counsel" of God, and begins incorporating unbiblical and human elements in his services and his teaching, is literally -- and Biblically -- opening the door to Antichrist. How many well-meaning pastors have ever thought of this sober fact as they lead their churches into areas that are not Biblical?

For one pastor, this moving away from the Fundamentals of the Faith might be as simple as beginning to eliminate teachings on the inherent sinfulness of man, and allowing his sermons to be variations of the theme, "Jesus is Love", and the "You're all right; I'm all right" psychological syndrom. Or, this moving away might occur when the pastor allows unbiblical teaching into the church because such teaching has proven to be popular enough with people as to build church attendance. Donnie Cruz

See Bruce McIntyre's use of Alexander Campbell's resolve to quit reading the stuff of other preachers and always look afresh at the BIBLE. Bruce, proposes that he PREACH the views of the 'leadership' to make sure that we reject old TRADITIONALISM and JUDGMENTALISM.

Title of the White Paper:

A New Day

The OLD day was your church: A New Day, we are in charge as they say at Jubilee and at Madison.

Opening:

Bruce McIntyre: Many of you come here today with questions and heavy hearts. We want you to leave here today with confidence, with conviction, and with hope! This is a new day!

So, please listen closely this morning and please listen till the end. This message is from our elders, and I am proud to be the spokesman of this message.

We will not cover all of this letter but we want you to be aware that the elders do not determine what the Hohenwald Church of Christ believes. In the Bible, elders are followed because "they are already preaching and teaching to the point of exhaustion" (Lenski).

Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. 1 Tim. 5:17

The labor is:

Kopiao (g2872) kop-ee-ah'-o; from a der. of 2873; to feel fatigue; by impl. to work hard: - (bestow) labour, toil, be wearied.

Word and Doctrine belong to God: no elder has any authority unless it is based on WORD and DOCTRINE. He must "teach the WORD as it has been taught or he is a false shepherd.

The church is a Christian Synagogue. The "members" are not worshipers but DISCIPLES. Disciples are STUDENTS and "preachers" do DIALOG and not MONOLOG about non-Biblical things. He does not TAKE LIBERTIES.

Leaders or rulers are defined as those who speak the Word of God to those who obey in the sense of learning.

Remember your leaders, who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith. Heb.13:7

The word OBEY specificially means to OBEY the gospel. Elders do not get to deny the Bible and invent their own creed.

For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 1Pe.4:17

People who presume to control a church and then allow non-Christians (non disciples who have not been baptized) to take over. They proceed to run off weeping widows and SHOULD NOT be followed in ANY step of their lives.

It is not possible to preach the GOSPEL without preaching the ONLY means God has provided for us to ACCEPT or JUSTIFY God in baptism. The "believeth nots" are defined by the word Jesus used as TREACHEROUS and INFIDELS.

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Matt 28:18

Go ye therefore, and teach (DISCIPLES) all nations,

baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Matt 28:19

Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Mt.28:20

Contrary to the Max Lucaco / Rubel Shelly polytheism of THREE separated god "persons" there is ONLY ONE GOD. He manifests Himself through SPEAKING and not by musical, sexual rituals like ALL pagans. FULL DEITY dwells in Jesus Christ: Father as THOUGHT, Son as WORD and SPIRIT as breath.

By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. Ps.33:6

Remarkably, the account of MARK comes after Mattew which says that Discipling demands baptizing and further teaching. Mark begins his account with.

THE beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; Mark 1:1

Mark then continues to show that ARCHE or the most important part of the gospel for we WHO ARE NOT GOD revealing John making Jesus known in Baptism. That is what the Jews expected of Messiah. Then Mark ends his account with the absolute demand of Jesus to Peter and the others:

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. Mk 16:15

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 16:16

God is God and we are not. His name is yehowshuwa and he brings salvation or yasha. He does not save by his presence but when salvation comes to your house HE is God incarnate.

Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. Heb 13:17

The word OBEY applied to elders is:

Peitho (g3982) pi'-tho; a prim. verb; to convince (by argument, true or false); by anal. to pacify or conciliate (by other fair means); reflex. or pass. to assent (to evidence or authority), to rely (by inward certainty): - agree, assure, believe, have confidence, be (wax) confient, make friend, obey, persuade, trust, yield.

Leadership Hohenwald church of Christ: First of all, let me remind you of what we believe at the Hohenwald church of Christ. Whatever anyone may say we believe or whatever any individual may believe are one thing, but this is what the leadership of this church believes, these statements are the beliefs of the Hohenwald Church of Christ.

They will REPUDIATE BAPTISM by calling God a liar to say that WE don't save: God does.

Using the TRUE logic: WE DO NOT determine the beliefs of the Hohenwald Church of Christ: God does through His Word--Only. Here is where Satan gets his foothold: by convincing people to follow Max Lucado to GET VISIONS and Rubel Shelly to hear the AUDIBLE VOICE of God. A delusion so POWERFUL that leaders would virtually EXPEL more than a hundred OWNERS in order to INVITE THE WOLVES in to "Evangelize Lewis County."

Any "reader" can readily see that the STATEMENTS of belief are DENIED in the following message. That is something like spraying NEW SMELL in the old repaired wreck auto.

They TRULY think that people will not see through the double speak.

Again they do not speak the truth. A large percentage of the Hohenwald Church of Christ are in EXILE weeping bitter tears and meeting in SAFE houses in Hohenwald. Unforgivable wounds. These are the beliefs of two or three who are bent on destruction.

Founded as a church of Christ, the CHURCH believes that the Bible is the only source for faith and belief. The usual hostile attack is to claim that those who believe what the Bible believes about Baptism believe that they CAN SAVE THEMSELVES. Or they are legalistic or judgmental: purely evil people.

We have heard it a hundred times and more. This is a false accusation and slanders those who grasp the Bible, hot having been weaned on confessed attempts to RESTRUCTURE old "legalistic, non-instrumental" churches of Christ into Baptists or the Church of God.

We will never allow Hohenwald to be DECEIVED into rejecting Baptism as one of the SHOWING ACTS which proves that God saves by GRACE through FAITH (Ephesians 2). Ephesians 2 as THE MAJOR "grace through faith" passage begins by defining Baptism as the time and place where God SAID that He would bestow Grace through faith. By ignoring the first part of the chapter they call Jesus Christ a Liar.

To address a few specific concerns from the letter this week...

Leadership Hohenwald church of Christ: We believe that baptism is essential.

But, if you want us to say that we save ourselves, or if you want us to say what God cannot do, we will not.

God saves and God condemns, we do not.

But, we will do our best to teach and help get people to God. And, an essential part of that includes being baptized into Christ.

I frankly do not know what they mean! I think that it is the Hegel or Hitler straw man. NO ONE has ever heard anyone say or even purse their lips to say that WE SAVE OURSELVES. It's a lie. Once had an employee who stole: claimed that no one had told him not to steal from the company. In fact, COMPANY GRACE Might have given him PERMISSION to steal.

The MANTRA spread by false teachers is that we have fallen away from Restoration principles: that Alexander Campbell would fellowship ALL of the denominations in which there were Christians.

The Lunenberg Letters used with dishonesty:

First, Alexander Campbell identified a "christian" the way society does without meaning that they are saved and added to the church.

Second, nothing gives authority NOT to teach the facts of baptism and not doing so makes one NOT a Christian.

And while I would unhesitatingly say that I think that every man who despises any ordinance of Christ or who is willingly ignorant of it, cannot be a Christian;

still I should sin against my own convictions, should I teach any one to think that if he mistook the meaning of any institution while in his soul he desired to know the whole will of God he must perish forever.

But to conclude for the present--he that claims for himself a license to neglect the least of all the commandments of Jesus

because it is possible for some to be saved who through insuperable ignorance or involuntary mistake, do neglect or transgress it;

or he that wilfully neglects to ascertain the will of the Lord to the whole extent of his means and opportunities

because some who are defective in that knowledge may be Christians,

is not possessed of the spirit of Christ and cannot be registered among the Lord's people.

So I reason; and I think in so reasoning I am sustained by all the Prophets and Apostles of both Testaments.

I. With all despatch, then, I hasten to show that I have neither conceded nor surrendered any thing for which I ever contended; but that on the contrary, the opinion now expressed, whether true or false, is one that I have always avowed.

(Footnote in original reads: It is with us as old as baptism for the remission of sins, and this is at least as old as the "Christian Baptist." Read the first two numbers of that work.)

1. Let me ask, in the first place, what could mean all that we have written upon the union of Christians on apostolic grounds,

had we taught that all Christians in the world were already united in our own community?

2. And in the second place, why should we so often have quoted and applied to apostate Christendom what the Spirit saith to saints in Babylon--"Come out of her, my people, that you partake not of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues"--had we imagined that the Lord had no people beyond the pale of our communion!

3. But let him that yet doubts, read the following passages from the Christian Baptist, April, 1825:--

"I have no idea of seeing, nor wish to see, the sects unite in one grand army.

This would be dangerous to our liberties and laws. For this the Saviour did not pray.

It is only the disciples dispersed among them that reason and benevolence would call out of them, "&c. &c. This looks very like our present opinion of Christians among the sects!!! 2d ed. Bethany, p. 85.

4. Again, speaking of purity of speech in order to the union of Christians, we say,

"None of you [Christians] have ever yet attempted to show how Christians can be united on your principles.

You have often showed how they may be divided, and how each party may hold its own, but while you pray for the visible unity of the disciples, and advocate their visible disunity, we cannot understand you." March, 1827, vol. 4.

5. Various essays and letters on "Christian union" from our correspondents, are given to our readers with our approbation; from one of which we quote these words:--

"I suppose all agree that among Christians of every name there are disciples of Jesus Christ, accepted of God in him, real members of his body, branches in the true vine, and therefore all one in Christ." October, 1826, vol. 4, p. 53.

6. ln a letter to Spencer Clack, August, 1826, I have said, "As to what you say concerning the evils of division among Christians, I have nothing to object. I sincerely deplore every division, and every sectarian feeling which now exists; and if I thought there was any man on this continent who would go farther than I to heal all divisions and to unite all Christians on constitutional grounds, I would travel on foot a hundred miles to see him and confess my faults to him." vol. 5, p. 15.

Don't follow the Red Herring and get lost from the fact that people CLAIM that some of the elders and PREACHER said that "WE DON'T BELIEVE that baptism is required." Were the letter writers telling the truth or are those with a conflict of interest DIVERTING?

The musical worship teams claim to lead you into the presence of God. But, Jesus died for that right. He is the mediator, WE are not. We GO and preach the gospel and the ONLY response to the gospel of Christ is BAPTISM where He saves you, remits your sins, gives you A holy spirit, adds you to the church (contrary to the Baptists) and translates your inheritance into heaven.

Paul said that we live, move and have our being in God: we don't need charismatic worship to GET PEOPLE TO GOD. God comes to ONLY when we imbibe the Holy Spirit which is the Mind of Christ (1 Cor2) mediated ONLY through the Word which is SPIRIT and LIFE (John 6:63). YOU are not any more competent to GET PEOPLE TO GOD than the least member who can READ the Word.

In fact Jesus Christ has been to the church and gone: He was in the form of old widows who had lived out their lives with no such molestation.

Now this is a logical stretch: Calvinsm and legalism. Take a look at the group which took over Smith Springs by ELDERS pretending to be members of the church of Christ but were Presbyterian PLANTS. When people discover that they are really Baptist isn't the minimal ethical thing to resign?

I frankly do not know what they mean! I think that it is the Hegel or Hitler straw man. NO ONE has ever heard anyone say or even purse their lips to say that WE SAVE OURSELVES. Don't follow the Red Herring and get lost from the fact that people CLAIM that some of the elders and PREACHER said that WE DON'T BELIEVE that baptism is required. Were they telling the truth or are those with a conflict of interest DIVERTING.

Wouldn't the church have loved to hear: yes, we SUPPORT what Jesus Christ said in two places so that no one can make a mistake. We believe that baptism is REQUIRE for the remission of sins or salvation. Why? Because this is the time and place where we REQUEST A holy spirit or A clear conscience from God.

JESUS CHRIST ILLUSTRATED THE MEANING OF BAPTISM as CONVERSION

And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, Matthew 18:2

And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted,and become (be born) AS little children,

ye SHALL NOT enter into the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 18:3

EVERYONE knew that this meant BAPTISM. Both proselyte baptism and DISCIPLE baptism to James the Fine Fabric Fuller demanded washing: This like Christian baptism, MARKED OUT those who MIGHT be treacherous enough to steal the FABRIC MANUFACTURING PLANT.

Using weasel words about Baptism is a way to REFUSE to confess whether there is TREASON in the heart of the person trained in their own "infiltrate and divert" university to lie, cheat and steal.

JESUS TOLD NICODEMUS THE SAME THING USING BORN AGAIN

Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mothers womb, and be born? John 3:4

The question is how can Nicodemus a grown man be BORN AGAIN. The new birth does not involve the physical birth. Therefore, to be born again is to be born of water which involves water baptism: we are born OUT of the water.

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, EXCEPT a man (already born of the flesh)

be born of WATER (H20) and of the SPIRIT,

he CANNOT ENTER into the kingdom of God. John 3:5

And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 1Jn.5:8

The spirit is the revealed Word of Christ (John 6:63)

That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, Ep.5:26

What shall we say of those who say that JESUS CANNOT SAVE by Max Lucado's "seeing creation and saying, 'wow'" CREED?

What part of SHALL NOT or CANNOT is so difficult to swallow? If I repeated the Word "as it has been taught" how can rational people define that as LEGALISTIC and JUDGMENTAL? They cannot unless they are trying to discredit the WOUNDED so that the HIRELINGS go free and self-justified.

This is the JUDAS COMPLEX: he indwelled with the UNHOLY spirit of the Devil would ATTEMPT to triumph over Jesus with MUSIC but he would fail. This was the hostile attack by the WARRIOR LEVITICAL MUSICIANS of the Jewish state.

Jesus has connected being CONVERTED to BEING BORN of water and the Spirit.

Palingenesia 1 [genesis] a being born again, new birth; used by Cic. of his restoration after exile:-- hence, in NTest.,1. the resurrection.

2. regeneration by baptism.

Anazogr-êsis , eos, hê, restoration to life, Agath.1.13.

Paul says that we are DEAD in sins, we must DIE to the sinful impulses, and we are MADE ALIVE in Jesus Christ. That meant when Jesus said it REGENERATION of the spirit making it A holy spirit.

Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Rom 6:11

If you even HESITATE to preach what Jesus preached then you call Him a Liar Who MIGHT HAVE some secret agenda. Rubel Shelly says that all of those SURPLUS words the Bible couldn't get into the Bible are just now floating around to CHANGE the Word of God to fit OUR culture: WE even have to USE God as a Partner to WORK OUT the new words.

That is the hallucinating fogging Hohenwald. The NEW Jesus even gives the LEADERSHIP the permission to HURT YOU REAL BAD. Again,

Leadership Hohenwald church of Christ: But, we will do our best to teach and help get people to God. And, an essential part of that includes being baptized into Christ.

God has a name: the singular Jehovah- Saves is Father, Son and Spirit. The Bible never speaks of helping get people to God. Jesus said that it SAVES or makes whole and safe. Peter says that it REMITS sin and REQUESTS a good conscience or consiousness from God. Paul says that it is where we are RAISED wiith Christ: we SIMPLY cannot help people do that.

But, the "olden" Jesus didn't say that baptism is an essential part. In fact, those who come to Him in FAITH receive the power to become the children of God. But Jesus said that the KEYS to the kingdom the Jewish clergy had taken AS THEIR OWN is BAPTISM

Webster notes that essential is: 3. Important in the highest degree; indispensable to the attainment of an object; indispensably necessary.

God made the leader's part to teach the Word as it has been taught. However, FAITH ONLY people, whom Luther and Calvin as virtually insane, does not get you INTO the kingdom: it gives you the KEY or power.

WITHOUT BAPTISM:

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again,

he cannot see the kingdom of God. Jn.3:3

WITHOUT CONVERSION:

And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children,

ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Mt.18:3

Only baptized believers are Christians by Biblical Definition. It is not up to usurpers to define those who BELIEVE in the faith only sense as members of the church.

"the idea of an unbaptized Christian is simply not entertained in the New Testament" (F.F. Bruce, The Book of Acts, p. 77).

Now, this is so predictible that it isn't funny. They CLAIM that churches of Christ or the people who left Hohenwald Church want them to SAY that we save ourselves.

The radical changers into a community church (as one elder is reported to have claimed) turns "church" which is a CLASS ROOM for STUDENTS or disciples to learn the WORD by reading and dialog into a THEATER FOR HOLY ENTERTAINMENT, is truly LEGALISTIC and WORKS oriented. They actually claim, including Rubel Shelly, that Musical Worship Teams "lead you into the presence of God." Now, that boots Lord Jesus Christ out and puts the Dionysus Abomination of Desolation standing in the Holy Place. The Holy Place was a carnal type of the body or Church. No singer or musician could enter the type of the church under the penalty of death.

Fellowshipping and AFFIRMING those who OPPOSE the Word is a God-like, legalistic attempt to SAVE those who disobey Jesus Christ and call Him a liar.

Purpose Driven classes is a humanistic effort to MAKE the church grow. Lord, how many house plants have been MURDERED by husbands trying to force them to GROW.

And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labour, it is the gift of God.Ec.3:13

Sounds like Max Lucado: neither faith, repentance, confession or baptism saves: Only Jesus Saves.

Who doubts it? However, those who claim that BAPTISM IS INDISPENSIBLE the turn around and say "or if you want us to say what God cannot do." The implied FALSE ACCUSATION that "THEY" believe that they can save themselves. Of course, that is a premeditated lie. Churches of Christ believe in salvation by GRACE through FAITH. But baptism is the SHOWING act of Grace through faith.

The fact is that the Lucados, Shellys and Baptist Purpose Drivensdeny that God can put salvation in a plunge beneity water. That is why the BELIEVETH NOTS are the BAPTIZED NOTS who reject the counsel of God and are defined by Jesus as TREACHEROUS and INFIDELS.

GOD IS GOD and we are not: IF, He didn't mean what He said and wants to MAKE EXCEPTIONS then He is God and He can make the exceptions. It is cruel and soul damning to SUGGEST to people that the POSSIBLE EXCEPTION trumps all of the Bible and church History's understanding.

An honest teacher dialogs the WORD as it has been taught. There is no role in this CLASS ROOM STUDY BY STUDENTS to try to sort out whether God MAYBE didn't mean what He clearly said. That accuses God of being a LIAR. That will get you burned with or without the water.

God MIGHT decide to send Sadam to heaven and me to hell. After all, He is sovereign. But not really: God CANNOT lie and if WE can make exceptions to SAVE others from hell then WE call God a Liar. Calvinistic sovereignty would LEGALISTICALLY limit God who predestinates little babies to hell so that HE cannot change His Mind. Salvation by SOVEREIGN GRACE means that if your wife enjoyed conceiving your little son the HE is a little Devil: a fornicator and a Sodomite and a little Dracula.

However, Jesus Christ who was and is FULL DEITY (with His own Spirit firmly within Him) had ONE MISSION:

(3) To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and (4) to remember his holy covenant; The oath which HE sware to our father ABRAHAM, Luke 1: 72-73

And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways; Lu 1:76

(4) To give KNOWLEDGE of salvation unto his people [A holy spirit, Isa 11:1-4)

(5) BY the REMISSION of their SINS, Lu.1:77

The meaning of the DOVE resting on Jesus was not to perform some charismatic ritual to fool people into believing that they WERE SAVED and approved "by the sovereign grace of the Hohenwald leaders." Rather, the prophecy WHICH would rest on Jesus, the BRANCH was to be:

And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord; Isa 11:2

And the QUICK UNDERSTANDING which is a form of the HOLY SPIRIT in Hebrew meaning to PERCEIVE. This is promised only at baptism by Peter in 1 Peter 3:21.

These are the SEVEN SPIRITS of God represented by the Menorah or candlesticks: into whose presence SINGERS and MUSICIANS could enter and BE EXECUTED for their presumption.

Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us, Lu 1:78

To give light to them that sit in darkness (ignorance) and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace. Luke 1:79

Epiphaino (g2014) ep-ee-fah'ee-no; from 1909 and 5316; to shine upon, i.e. become (lit.) visible or (fig.) known: - appear, give light.

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Tit.2:11

But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, Tit.3:4

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Tit 3:5 (Our spirit becomes A holy spirit)

The leaders are absolutely certain that they have heard NO ONE who claims that they can SAVE THEMSELVES: This is part of the Machiavelli, Hitler or Hegel attempt to make you sorta schizophrenic so that YOU will never again make yourself look JUDGMENTAL AND LEGALISTIC by insisting, with Jesus, that being a CHRISTIAN means that you are a DISCIPLE (and not an insane and perverted-looking singing-clapping PERFORMER). Jesus said that you CANNOT be a Christian WITHOUT baptism which is YOUR accepting God's GRACE through FAITH.

Paliggenesia (g3824) pal-ing-ghen-es-ee'-ah; from 3825 and 1078; (spiritual) rebirth (the state or the act), i.e. (fig.) spiritual renovation; spec. Messianic restoration: - regeneration.

How dare they say that "W"E must help you but that GOD cannot REGENERATE your spirit through Baptism? We submit our BODY as dead at baptism expecting that God will give us A holy spirit or A clear conscience or consiousness AT BAPTISM ONLY.

Those who QUESTION the clear statement of Jesus are defined by BELIEVETH NOT as treacerous infidels. They have been TESTED to see whether they are OF THE TRUTH or OF THE FAITH and have failed. That means that they are of the Devil's Band who speak on their own. Luther said that FAITH ONLY meant belief in the BIBLE ONLY. Faith accepts the WORDS and COMMANDS of God and does not attempt to cut and paste it to HELP people get to God: Paul said that God isn't LOST.

To the general assembly and church (ekklesia, synagogue) of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men (innocent, holy) made perfect (mature), Heb.12:23

That means that WE have A holy spirit but only after we allow God to WASH our spirits ONLY at the time and place of water baptism.

Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. Ac.2:41

They were not ADDED until after they were baptized.

Remember that the direct response to the preached gospel is that:

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Mark 16:16

Those who DID NOT receive His WORD were not baptized. This is best seen in the Baptism of John:

And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John. Luke 7:29

But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him. Luke 7:30

God had a predestinated plan or counsel to INVITE all to be saved. However, the Pharisees and doctors of the law REJECTED baptism and therefore repudiated God and called Him a liar. They were, in fact, damned in their unbelief.

Those who believed, repented and were baptized were BEING SAVED.

praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved. Ac 2:47NKJV

They were NOT added to the church; they were OUTSIDE the kingdom of Christ; logically they were damned.

Jesus ADDED those being saved at baptism to the assembly of Christ only after He had washed their spirits like a FULLER or laundry man AT and only at, baptism which guaranteed that you were not a TRAITOR. Traitors make a huge commercial industry out of trying to FOOL people into rejecting baptism.

IF Jesus gave salvation to those who go charismatic and 'FEEL' that they believe then God IS NOT sovereign. The only MARK of faith is BAPTISM. If you minimize it then you call Jesus Christ a Liar.

If Christ gives salvation by the Thief on the Cross who was INVITED according to Max Lucado and PRAYED and was saved WITHOUT baptism. This TRUMPS the baptism which began at Pentecost. However, Max Lucado is inviting you to DIE FOR YOUR OWN SINS on the Cross.

The FORM of Doctrine means INSTEAD OF. It is either drown in the flood or the Red Sea or be EMPALED on a pole for your own sins or BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH be baptized INSTEAD OF.

Those who minimize baptism DENY the very "showing act" which continually proves and validates Grace through Faith which can save us by OBEYING that FORM of doctrine.

Zwingli's "baptism" baptism is based on the same unnatural "logic."

Major: Catholics say that unbelieving "baptisms" are saved by BAPTISM.

Minor: But, baptism WITHOUT faith of an adult DOES NOT SAVE.

Conclusion: Therefore, Baptism does not save: faith saves.

But, Zwingli CLAIMED that he was the ONLY true scholar and that HE invented Faith Only. Martin Luther, the father of Sola Fide says that Zwingli invented it.

But Martin Luther said that FAITH ONLY rested on THE BIBLE ONLY which you believe by reading it. Furthermore, Salvation depended on BAPTISM ONLY.

Leadership Hohenwald church of Christ: We worship with a capella singing and will always will no matter what anyone else may say.

But, is it true that ALL of the elders agree that instrumental music is ok? If true, then we may be in the midst of a RETREAT from Lynn Anderson's prayerful brinkmanship witchcraft. The Anderson scheme is to back off, preach safe stuff and wait for the "audience" to go to sleep again.

Because Paul defined all ASSEMBLIES as synagogues or class rooms for Christians who are DISCIPLES or STUDENTS. Paul's UNIQUE worship word is to give heed to the Word as the way to GIVE HEED to Christ.

If they believe that Instruments are acceptable then they assuredly are not knowledgable to TEACH that which HAS BEEN TAUGHT.

Paul said nothing about external singing of silly praise tunes in our sense of the word. Paul commanded TEACHING or PREACHING one to another with the INSPIRED BIBLICAL TEXT. This apostasy was very early and gave rise to CHURCH or CLASS ROOM as a pagan worship center.

A capella really means A la Castratos who performed as TEAMS in the form of ORGANUM in the Sistine Chapel where INSTRUMENTS in the presence of the Pope were outlawed. They did not perform even with external melody but with a fairly mature form of HARMONY where THERE IS NO INTENTION to teach and admonish one another. The castratos among the Greek Goddess worship were emasculated or even had a sex change to make them USEFUL as religious musicians. Musical choirs or musical BANDS performing for the audience as worship are the MARK or the PERSONAE of emasculated or perverted people. That is what the "audience" SEES and FEELS as the hair raising on the backs of their necks and they FIGHT, FLEE or have a sexual FEELING peddled as a WARN Christian "spirit."

They were the ones who CLAIMED to lead you into the presence of the gods.

The musical crew has grasped a capella to justify CHOIRS and "musical worship teams" (an oxymoron). However, there is not relationship to CONGREGATIONAL use of the Bible by DISCIPLES or STUDENTS of the Word.

The silly praise songs is a product of feminine or effeminant take over.

Leadership Hohenwald church of Christ: And we will teach and help all people to be faithful to God,

but we will not deny the sovereignty of God. God saves and God condemns....we do not.

Most of those trained as Prophets, Chanellers and Facilitators to take over peacable churches believe that they were CHOSEN by the sovereign grace of god to do what they are doing. Hitler believed the same thing.

THAT MEANS THAT THEY ARE CALVINISTS which is the only MESSAGE the SOVEREIGNTY of God has any meaning. "WE will teach some weasel words about baptism to keep from getting fired but WE believe that GOD SAVES by his sovereignty and GOD CONDEMNS by his sovereignty.

That means that God's sovereignty PICKED you out from eternity past and it DOES NOT MATTER whether you obey the DIRECT COMMANDS in the Bible. It doesn't even matter if you CALL GOD A LIAR by rejecting batism because CALVINISM says that GOD CANNOT send ANYONE to hell, howeve VILE or evil they become in the future.

If God says I SAY THAT I WILL SAVE ONLY THOSE WHO BECOME DISCIPLES (CHRISTIANS) TO JESUS CHRIST IN WHOM DWELLED FULL DEITY, CALVINISM says to God "you are a liar" because Father Augustine or Calvin says that only those CHOSEN by your SOVEREIGN GRACE can be saved. Furthermore, you CANNOT send "Jews to hell because father Abraham stands by the gates of hell to PREVENT any Jew from entering in."

This is a horrifying ATTACK on God's sovereign Grace Who chooses or INVITES by the gospel where the ONLY saving response is baptism.

The Engedi Ministry which has confiscated Smith's Springs for Calvinism in Nashville could not have said it better. They truly believe that if we even allow ourselves to BELIEVE as a result of HEARING THE WORD then we deny the sovereignty of God. Bah, Humbug!

Engedi Ministries has INFILTRATED David Lipscomb and has, in effect, a CAMPUS ministry of the PCA to give WARMTH and SECURITY to those under the hostile attack of the few professors who deny Calvinism.

There is NOT DOUBT that they have EMBEDDED an agent as they did at Smith Springs and many of the NEW STYLE churches from hell.

TO SEE HOW "FAITHFUL PREACHERS" DO NOT HESITATE TO INFILTRATE AND DIVERT (STEAL) YOUR CHURCH AND ABOUT HALF OF THE MEMBERS. Because they are CALVINISTS and they FEEL they should steal the funds of dead widows then GOD SAVES so it MUST be God's sovereign will that I STEAL.

But, don't forget what we have noted above (in the forum): neither Augustine nor David Lawrence (Smiths Spring and Lipscomb) grasp that the PREDESTINATED PLAN the New Testament speaks of

is NEVER personal predestination to heaven or hell.

God CHOOSE certain people for certain tasks but none of his sovereign choices relate to heaven or hell. The SUBJECT of all of Paul's use of predestinated applies to the GENTILES whom God included because He was not a God of the Jews but also of all of the NATIONS.

Prior to God coming in Christ Jesus, the Gentiles were "a law unto themselves" when they observed the two major meanings of Godliness: living a personal righteous life which no one is in doubt, and practicing social justice. In the Old Testament, people are not approved of God because of the Law but because they lived civilized lives as in the presence of a Supreme God Who created the universe.

The reason it is so IMPORTANT to "teach that which has been taught" is because as Son Jesus put into WORDS only that which He heard from the FATHER within. He said that if we speak on our own we are children of the Devil.

No, contrary to the neo-Calvinism God does not judge or condemn people. He elects or invites all whosoever will. By insisting on fellowshipping with MOST people the Hohenwald Leaders JUDGE that they are ok even though they claim, as with Baptists and the church Of God that they are saved BY FAITH because they are predestinated by God to be saved while others are JUDGED TO BE CONDEMNED TO HELL.

The lust to SHOW LOVE has too many people embracing the MAJORTY which will reject baptism and call Jesus a Liar.

Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue: John 12:42

For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God. John 12: 43

Remember what Jesus commanded:

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. Mk 16:15

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Mk 16:16

BELIEVERS who do not CONFESS Jesus in baptism where we call on His Name (singular) for whatever their motive SHALL BE DAMNED.

Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. John 12: 44

And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. John 12: 45

I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. John 12: 46

And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. John 12: 47

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. John 12: 48

But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him. Lu.7:30

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. John 12: 49

And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. John 12: 50

As usual, to claim the sovereignty of God and then QUESTION His right to define his means of bestowing Grace is to REPUDIATE Him and all Him a liar.

Leadership Hohenwald church of Christ: We are against thinking that is judgmental, legalistic, and that denies the sovereignty of God. We serve a mighty God, and our words should reflect that. We will not sit on our corner saying that we are the only ones going to heaven and deny the faith of other believers.

No one is called a BELIEVER or BELIEVING who was not Baptized. Max Lucado confesses it but uses the THIEF ON THE CROSS to prove the EXCEPTION. Since he believes that he has found an exception then IT WOULD BE JUDGMENTAL AND LEGALISTIC to say that the prophecy and prophetic types of Baptism, the direct command of Jesus, the preaching and practice of Peter WHERE the key to the kingdom would be used as baptism, Paul's many sermons on baptism and 1525 years of history is ENOUGH for Hohenwald church of Christ to repudiate baptism so completely that the OWENERS of the property are CAST OUT OF THE SYNAGOGUE.

That sounds LIBERAL but it really means: "We are proud that we have no convictions." It just invites the wolves to break through and steal: why not if the "shepherds" plan to BREAK DOWN THE walls to make US look superior.

This is again the lie which claims that speaking where Jesus, the apostles and church history prior to the Baptists spoke is judgmental. If we say "the Bible says" then WE are being judgmental against those who do not agree. Why is their such ungodly claim to being SPIRITUAL just because people are weak or want to make commerce with EVERYONE?

Well, the Baptists on the OTHER CORNER claims that you, churches of Christ, are an unholy CULT. If you wanted to JOIN most Baptists they would want to know when your were SAVED and got the high five from a direct operation of God to PROVE that you were predestinated. They would call you saved but yu would not be ADDED TO THE CHURCH by Jesus as He did ONLY for those who were baptized. They would put you through a COURSE and they would have to vote that you had endured THE LAW. Then they would baptize you BECAUSE you were saved by FAITH ONLY which you must believe. Only then would you really be added to Christ in the sense that you could participte and eat the Lord's Supper.

Zwingli or Baptist baptism is an ancient PAGAN baptism and has no connection to historic Christianity.

How beyond redemption to chase off the OWNERS of the property and then with the other side of the mouth claim that we are so TOLERANT that we will fellowship those who are avowed enemies of the church of Christ.

No one has DEMANDED that the preacher or leaders CONDEMN THEM TO HELL. So, the postmodern, post-Christendom, purpose driven cult does not call it a LIE if it is in the interest of your cult.

UNITING WITH "OTHER CHRISTIANS" or BELIEVERS from other churches (denominations).

Leadership Hohenwald church of Christ: Instead, we want to UNITE with other Christians as it is in the best interest of this church family...whether they be believers from other churches of Christ or believers from other churches.

A believer is a BAPTIZED BELIEVER. That makes them DISCIPLES. The disciples (students) were identified as CHRISTIANS in Antioch. There is NO RECORD of an unbaptized BELIEVER.

Fat chance that ANY church of Christ would ever again UNITE with the Hohenwald Church of Christ which cannot be trusted with their children. No denomination would participate with such treachery EXCEPT to do a hostile takeover.

However, people are NEVER said to be believers or believing until AFTER they have been baptized:

And all that believed were together, and had all things common; Acts 2:44

After the Jailer was baptized with his house (Isolated Jail):

And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house. Ac.16:34

Therefore, the "leaders" are JUDGING those to be Christians which God had denied. Isn't that pretty LEGALISTIC power to TRUMP God in favor of Neo-Baptist Universalism of Jerry Falwel?

The Bible defines a CHRISTIAN as a baptized member of the church which belongs to Christ.

And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled (Synagogued) themselves with the church (Ekklesia), and taught much people. And the disciples (Students) were called Christians first in Antioch. Ac.11:26

A Christian is a disciple or student of Christ: they are not "charismatic worshipers." Did you notice that Paul never used destructive means such as the same music as all PAGANS in order to attract the Pagans? No. Paul was a LOYAL discipler and directly repudiated the musical feast of Zeus and got himself hurt ALWAYS because he upheld CHRISTIAN principles whereas music is a Satanic principhe.

Jesus Define a Disciple

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Matt 28:18

Go ye therefore, and teach (DISCIPLE) all nations, (note equal participles)

1. baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Matt 28:19

AND

2. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Mt.28:20

I suppose that since the Bible went obsolete and with it God who as full Deity dwells in Jesus Thrist. And I suppose that WE have the arrogance to declare that people are DISCIPLES (Christians) who have not been baptized and have been taught to NOT OBSERVE what Jesus has commanded.

A person who has not been baptized CANNOT be a disciple and therefore CANNOT be a CHRISTIAN. That is Bible 101aaa and not legalism or judgmentalism unless you want to add blasphemy to heresy. But, rejecting baptism is just such treachery and a MARK that one has signed on with Satan.

Leadership Hohenwald church of Christ: But, as we seek to answer the prayer of Jesus for Christian unity in John 17, we do not intend to sacrifice what we think is right... We just want to be Christians.

Right out of Rubel Shelly's shallow book: I just want to be a Christian. But, we have seen that a CHRISTIAN is a DISCIPLE who is a STUDENT of the Word and a DISCIPLE is made only by: 1) Baptizing, and 2) Teaching what JESUS CHRIST has commanded them. I suppose that "commands" makes Jesus a LEGALISTS?

The CHRISTIAN ASSEMBLY is a SCHOOL of the WORD (only) for DISCIPLE or students TAUGHT by leaders who TEACH the only DOCUMENT of the Scholl of Christ-- His Word.

CHRISTIAN UNITY IS BASED ONLY ON THE WORD OF GOD. Union with non Christians who have not been DISCIPLED is PERVERTING BY ADDING that which Christ has rejected.

Jesus identifed his sonship as speaking only what He heard from the Father within. To be IN God and have God's Spirit in us the WORD is the Supernatural gift as the ONLY basis for unity.

Again, Jesus said that the BASIS for unity was His Word:

Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. John 17:7

For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. John 17: 8

I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. John 8:26
 
They understood not that he spake to them of the Father. John 8:27
 
Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. Jn.8:28
 
And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do alway those things that please him. Jn 8:29
 
As he spake these words, many believed on him. John 8:30
 
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples (students) indeed; John 8:31
 
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. John 8:32

I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. John 17: 9

And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them. John 17: 10

And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. John 17: 11

While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. John 17: 12

And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. John 17: 13

I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. John 17: 14

People who compromize are trying, like the old Judas Goat or scape goat, trying to appease Satan so that they will PROSPER and be APPLAUDED by the public.

Faithfulness to the Written Word which is loyalty to the Living Word will ALWAYS get you despised and rejected by men.

I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. John 17: 15

They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. John 17: 16

Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth John 17: 17

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. Jn 6:63

As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. John 17: 18

And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. John 17: 19

Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; John 17: 20

That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. John 17:21

Second, unity is based on speaking WITH ONE MIND and with ONE VOICE "that which is written."

He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. John 3:31

And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. John 3:32

That is, no human can HEAR the voice or Word of God unless God, the FATHER THOUGHT, reveals Himself through the SON WORD through his BREATH SPIRIT. When God TESTIFIES, it is the Spirit of Christ and not a small voice in the brain:

And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. Re.19:10

In First Corinthians 2 Paul drew a parallel:
 
The Holy Spirit
Is to God
What our spirit
is to us.
But WE have the MIND of Christ.

Without the apostles receiving the Spirit or Mind of Christ not even they could reveal NEW thoughts from God. Be very CAREFUL around people who claim to hear the SURPLUS WORDS of Christ which couldn't fit into the Bible.

He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. John 3:33

For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. Jn.3:34

Jesus as SON spoke only what He heard from the Father who was within. That means that "My Words are SPIRIT and they are LIFE." Jon 6:63

Jesus received the SPIRIT as the WORDS OF GOD. Those are the only lawful words to be used in a school of the Bible.

CREATING SPIRITUAL ANXIETY AND PEDDLING IT AS THE "WARMTH" OF THE HOLY SPIRIT "PERSON" OF THE FAMILY OF GODS ADDS THAT WHICH JESUS CHRIST DIED TO REMOVE AND VIOLATES THE DIRECT COMMAND OF PAUL WHEN WE SYNAGOGUE.

The BURDEN LADEN by the Pharisees and other sectarians was "spiritual anxiety created by religious rituals." The REST Jesus brought to DISCIPLES was to cease the rituals which EXCITED the emotions. Please which is OUTLAWED is the Greek:

Aresko (g700) ar-es'-ko; prob. from 142 (through the idea of exciting emotion); to be agreeable (or by impl. to seek to be so): - please.

Airo (g142) ah'ee-ro; a prim. verb; to lift; by impl. to take up or away; fig. to raise (the voice), keep in suspense (the mind); spec. to sail away (i.e. weigh anchor); by Heb. [comp. 5375] to expiate sin: - away with, bear (up), carry, lift up, loose, make to doubt, put away, remove, take (away, up).

Rather, the synagogue or ekklesia is a school of the Bible which is the logical place for Christians or Disciples or Students to meet. You defeat the purpose of School if you stir up excitement. Therefore, Paul commanded:

WE then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves. Rom 15:1

A Disciple who is baptized and taught does not spiritually harass infirm and steal their HERITAGE. A Christian does not STIMULATE by stroking the pleasure centers of the FLESS so that it can peddle the doctrines of demons.

Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification [education]. Rom 15:2

For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me. Rom 15:3

For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. Rom 15:4

Preaching is really teaching and not trying to FORCE people into spiritual anxiety so they can move them OFF CENTER:

Didaskalia (g1319) did-as-kal-ee'-ah; from 1320; instruction (the function or the information): - doctrine, learning, teaching.

You cannot be a Disciple or Christian and PERFORM musical self-stimulation at the same time: it is utterly impossible. Therefore, Circe, the holy whore has sucked churches into the "self-worship" system of Lucifer--the singing and harp-playing prostitute.

That WARMTH from false teaching an paganistic forms of singing is a SEXUAL warmth from Satan.

Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus: Rom 15:5

That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Rom 15:6

Silly Anti-Christs, you CAN all speak the same things all of the time: just speak THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN. Simple.

We the disciples or students of the congregation have no time or energy or tribute tithe tax or inclination to UNITE with the Baptists and church of God just to help GROW this church which they have stolen from its owners. THEY, being SELF-SELECTED or PEER-SELECTED while virtually daring THEM to oppose US in our selection by ONE MAN.

You have to have an IQ about as long as your shoe lace to THINK that you are going to DISCIPLE them. Therefore, WE just want their numbers and TRADE. THEY know that weak-willed church leaders can be hustled by Promise Keeper's plants or church of God plants to CONVERT you into members of the CALVINISTIC denominations.

There is NO HISTORY of unity forums or buddy bundling with the merry band of Christian Churches EXCEPT by men FALSELY claiming to work for (and take pay) from churches of Christ but have the beyond-redemption plan to SELL YOU OUT to the musical churches.

WE are self elevated and HAVE NO AUTHORITY beyond teaching that which has been taught and GUARDING their own lambs against being stolen. Hirelings who imitating Promise Keepers "sexual mental dislocation" BREAK DOWN THE WALLS.

That happens in Isaiah 5 when the Vine Keepers turn to wine, women and music to make God's Vinyard make the people hunger and thirst for the Word of God but CANNOT find it.

What we see in Hohenwald is not consious leadership but blindness which makes the OPEN the sheepfold to let the wolves with still-wed sheep skins in to eat up and destroy the flock.

A Christian is a Disciple and a disciple is made by baptizing and teaching. There is no possibility to FELLOWSHIP those who are SAVED by their faith but have no intention of being a DISCIPLE. Rather, they want to create spiritual anxiety and drive people crazy singing or speaking gibberish


I don't bite like so many shepherds so don't continue to be FEARFUL that I will reveal YOUR views which have the SAME AUTHORITY as elders who just don't care

Just click. ksublett@piney.com

More soon! Ken Sublett, who has the SAME mandate to Preach the Gospel (the one Christ preached), beginning in Hohenwald. And I can assure everyone that being booted from participation has been the Work of Christ (the Holy Spirit), with an average WEEKLY ATTENDANCE of about 32,000 page hits. That translates to SERMONS listened to. Absolutely FREE OF CHARGE and doing exactly what we are commanded to do: test the spirits and REFUTE those who oppose God and His Word.

I spend lots of time researching topics which have not entered the heads of University professors who don't seem to be able to QUOTE anything STRAIGHT. Just "scholars quoting scholars quoting scholars." That is the EDUCATION purchased at a price too high from Oklahoma and ACU to trains people as Prophets, Chanellers and Facilitators SPECIFICIALLY to come to churches, DESTROY the old conservative, legalist, Bible believers and get everyone ready for the Global Church. Max joined.

Royce Money, ACU doesn't know what CHURCH is.

Carrol D. Osburn proud to be Biblically exempt.

C. Leonard Allen and Richard T. Hughes, Discovering our Roots: Absolutely CANNOT ever have read Luther.

God does SEND STRONG DELUSIONS using STRONG DELUSIONS when you blink about the WORD of a Holy God which is an unforgivable sin (Heb 6).

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