Grace Centered Forum

WHAT GRACE CENTERED WILL NOT LET YOU KNOW:

IS YOUR CHURCH A TESTOSTERONE -FREE ZONE? All religious self-exhibition (rhetoric, performance singing, playing or scenic performance) has been seem as effeminate.  This is why so many Disciples or Enrolled as Scholars by the direct command of Jesus began to show up as "empty pews."

Psalm 150 and others mentioning instruments is not a Psalm but a PRAISE or HALAL. The Zoe Group and HALAL group are named after Lucifer , Acappella is named after Caper or Capella, the GOAT of the Jews, is a Goat Constellation
g5795.  aze; from 5810; a she-goat (as strong), but masculine in plural (which also is used ellipt. for goat’s hair):—(she) goat, kid.
g5799. {aza}zel, az-aw-zale´; from 5795 and 235; goat of departure; the scapegoat:—scapegoat.
g5810.  {azaz, aw-zaz´; a primitive root; to be stout (literally or figuratively):—harden, impudent, prevail, strengthen (self), be strong.

As a result of the Fall of Nadab and Abihu, the need for perpetual atonement was required and they were forced to us AZAZEL to pretend to carry away their sins.  Jude warned against the Mount Sinai musical idolatry and the only protection is to Teach thee Once for all time Delivered Word.

Book of Enoch 8:1 And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all 8: 3 were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjaza taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, 'Armaros the resolving of enchantments, Baraqijal (taught) astrology,

THE INSTRUMENTS OF DAVID AND BY HIS COMMAND WERE PLAYED DURING THE GOAT-BURNING RITUAL:

Lev. 16:27 And the bullock for the sin offering,
        and the goat for the sin offering,
        whose blood was brought in to make atonement in the holy place,
        shall one carry forth without the camp;
        and they shall burn in the fire their skins, and their flesh, and their dung
.
g8163. saiyr, saw-eer´ from 8175; shaggy; as noun, a he-goat; by analogy, a faun:—devil, goat, hairy, kid, rough, satyr.
Deut. 32:17 They sacrificed unto DEVILS, not to God;
         to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up,
         whom your fathers feared not.
2Chr. 11:14 For the Levites left their suburbs and their possession,
        and came to Judah and Jerusalem:
        for Jeroboam and his sons had cast them off from executing the priest’s office unto the Lord:
2Chr. 11:15 And he ordained HIM priests for the HIGH places,
        and for the DEVILS, and for the calves which he had made.
g8163.saiyr, saw-eer´;  saw-eer´; from 8175; shaggy; as noun, a he-goat; by analogy, a faun:—devil, goat, hairy, kid, rough, satyr.
Psa. 106:37 Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils,
g7700. d´v shed, shade; from 7736; a doemon (as malignant):—devil.

1Cor. 10:6 Now these things were our examples,
        to the intent we should not lust after evil things,
as they also lusted.

1Cor. 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written,
        The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play
.

paizō ,   2. esp. dance, “paisateOd.8.251; “dōma peristenakhizeto possin andrōn paizontōn23.147, cf. Hes.Sc.277; “p. te kai khoreuein Ar.Ra.409, cf. 390; “enoplia khalkōtheis epaizenPi.O.13.86:—Pass., alla pepaistai metriōs hēmin, of the chorus, Ar. Th.1227.
4. play on a musical instrument, h.Ap.206: c. acc., “Pan ho kalamophthogga paizōnAr.Ra.230; dance and sing, Pi. O.1.16.5. play amorously, “pros allēlousX.Smp.9.2;
Ar.Ra.230
Mousai
230kai kerobatas Pan ho kalamophthogga paizōn:
prosepiterpetai d' ho phormiktas Apollōn,
Ludo —Esp., to play on an instrument of music, to make or compose music or song: “ludere quae vellem calamo permisit agresti,Verg. E. 1, 10: “talia fumosi luduntur mense Decembri,Ov. Tr. 2, 491: “quod tenerae cantent, lusit tua musa, puellae,id. Am. 3, 1, 27: “coloni Versibus incomptis ludunt,Verg. G. 2, 386: “carmina pastorum,id. ib. 4, 565; Suet. Ner. 3: “si quid vacui sub umbra Lusimus tecum,Hor. C. 1, 22, 2.—
B. To sport, dally, wanton (cf. "amorous play," Milton, P. L. 9, 1045): “scis solere illam aetatem tali ludo ludere,Plaut. Most. 5, 2, 36: affatim edi, bibi, lusi, Liv. Andron. ap. Paul. ex Fest. s. v. affatim, p. 11 Müll.; cf.: “lusisti satis, edisti satis, atque bibisti,Hor. Ep. 2, 2, 214; Ov. A. A. 2, 389; Cat. 61, 207; Suet. Tib. 44; Mart. 11, 104, 5.—
1Cor. 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice,
         they sacrifice to devils, and not to God:
        and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.
1Cor. 10:21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils:
        ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils.

g1140. daimo/nion daimonion, dahee-mon´-ee-on; neuter of a derivative of 1142; a dæmonic being; by extension a deity: — devil, god.
THESE ARE THE PREDESTINED PEOPLE.



Lipscomb University Summer Celebration 2019
All who can BUY AND SELL have taken the Mark: the BEAST is a new style of music or Satyric Drama.  The little bisexual PAN.

Leonard Allen The Spirit Poured out.  God's Spirit is His BREATH it produces WORDS but not after the time of Jesus
Leonard Allen Poured out NECESSARY to enable the Mission of Jesus Christ. 

Hor. Ars 395 Orpheus, the priest and interpreter of the gods, deterred the savage race of men from slaughters and inhuman diet; hence said to tame tigers and furious lions: Amphion too, the builder of the Theban wall, was said to give the stones motion with the sound of his lyre, and to lead them whithersoever he would, by engaging persuasion
G5157 tropē that is, revolution (figuratively variation):—turning.
James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning
Pythia canticaHor. Ars 414, songs like the hymns which were sung in honor of APOLLON, by the chorus in some comedies. A player, called Pythaules, played during the intervals when the chorus left off singing.

The Phrase: gratus, blandus; The New Hermeneutics or the Kairos Time
Grātus or  kharis
religion beloved, dear, acceptable, pleasing, agreeable Herophile Phoebo grata and: “superis deorum gratus (Mercurius) et imis,  carmina,id. C. 1, 15, 14; 3, 11, 23: artes,id. ib. 4, 13, 22: “error mentis, favorite, darlingdeserving or procuring thanks Grata testudo Jovis,[G1361 Diotrephes]


Revelation 16 The Mark of the Beast
Revelation.16.The.Mark.The.Beast
The.Mark.of.The.Beastia in the Garden of Eden


IF YOU ARE NOT TERRIFIED BY THE END-TIME "PROGRESSIVES" THEN YOU ARE NOT A FOUND-LOST SPIRIT.

serpo
 
with herpō, repo
I. Lit. (only of animals; while repo is also used of persons who creep or go slowly; “v. repo,

REPO like SERPO or HERPO dedicated to humans.

repO II. Trop.: “sermones Repentes per humum,” i. e. low, common, mean, Hor. Ep. 2, 1, 251.
Of fire: ignis per artus,Lucr. 6, 661.—
Of the stealthy advance of a SNARE, Stat. S. 1, 2, 60.—

UPDATE. Note that the SONG STARTER is the FIRE STARTER.  God made the sounds of the WORLD such as string, wind and percussion the MARK of IGNORING God's Word and BURNING.
ignis ,A. (Mostly poet.) The fire or glow of passion, in a good or bad sense; of anger, rage, fury
raving, inspiration, Stat. Ach. 1, 509:
ore dabat pleno carmina vera dei,Ov. F. 1, 473:

Incentor, o-ris, m. [id.] , one who sets the tune or begins to sing, a precentor, singer (post-class.).       
       [2] Căno I. Neutr., to utter melodious notes, to sing, sound, play
            2. Of the faulty delivery of an orator, to speak in a sing-song tone: inclinată ululantique voce more
         Asiatico canere,  once canituri,Vulg. Apoc. 8, 13 )
I. Lit.:
carminis, Paul. Nol. Carm. 15, 32 : [1] incentore [2] canam [3] Phoebo [4] Musisque [5] magistris, 
II. Trop., an
[A] inciter, exciter: [B] IGNEUS [C] turbarum, Amm. 15, 1, 2 : civilis belli, Oros. 5, 19 : rebellionis [renewal of war] totius, id. 6, 11 . Flamen Hislop
carmen  prophecy; a form of incantation a tune, song, air, lay, strain, note, sound, both vocal and instrumental
also versus, numeri, modi is MUSICAL MELODY NEVER IN SCRIPTURE carmen TUBA ista peregit
      
peregit= I. To thrust through, pierce through, transfix 
 carmen tubā sc. Apollinem) concordant carmina nervis [Bow string or a musical instrument]
citharae liquidum carmen, lyrae carmen
USED TO VEX. Collected data from Scripture and especially the Greek and Latin text proves that any metrical or TUNEFUL presentation intends to HURT or DECEIVE.
cui liquidam pater Vocem cum cithara dedit,
Hor. Od. 1.1
Now stretch'd beneath the arbute on the sward,
Now by some gentle river's sacred spring;
Some love the camp, the clarion's joyous ring,
And battle, by the mother's soul abhorr'd.

To me the artist's meed, the ivy wreath
Is very heaven: me the sweet cool of woods,
Where SATYRS [CAPELLA] frolic with the Nymphs
         [BEASTS Libethrides, Muses, V.: vocalis Nymphe, ]
secludes From rabble rout, so but Euterpe's breath

Fail not the flute, nor Polyhymnia fly
Averse from stringing new the LESBIAN lyre. [barbiton]
O, write my name among that minstrel choir,
And my proud head shall strike upon the sky!
vexo to shake, jolt, toss in carrying; hence, in gen., to move violently, to shake, agitate. ita conscientia mentem excitam vexabat,”“oppressa gravi sub religione vit tubae,Auct. Her. 4, 15, 21: “tubarum,
excitam  A. To rouse, excite; to frighten, terrify any one:
pello 3. To strike, set in motion, impel:
4.
Of a musical instrument, to strike the chords, play: “nervi pulsi,struck, Cic. Brut. 54, 199: “lyra pulsa manu,percutio) 
AND BIND RELIGION THE OPPOSITE OF THE SCHOOL OF CHRIST.
rĕlĭgĭo  bind ceremonies or obligations
  hence the rites and ceremonies, as well as the entire system of religion and worship, the res divinae or sacrae, were frequently called religio or religiones (cf. our use of the word religion)
Statius, Silvae Book 1

105	Yet be constant: love thou thy earth: inhabit in person 
	the temples we dedicate to thee. Let not the heavenly court delight thee, 
	but live, live happy to see thy sons’ sons offer incense to this thy statue. 
	
II. The marriage of Stella and Violentilla. 

1	WHY did the hills of Rome ring with that solemn music? 
	For whom, Paean, dost thou take up the plectrum anew and hang 
	among the tresses on thy shoulders the sounding ivory? Hark, from afar, 
	from murmurous Helicon the Muses are journeying. From their nine torches 
5 they shake the ritual flame for the joining of the bridal; and POUR forth a wave of SONG from the Pierian springs Amongst them pert-faced Elegy draws near, prouder than her wont, and courts and counsels the Nine, her limping foot stealthily hidden, and fain would be thought
Ah, now I know what day this is, and what the occasion of this solemnity. It is of thee, Stella of thee that these gods sing in chorus. Fling wide thy doors. It is for thee that Phoebus [Apollon] and Euhan and the winged lord of Tegea
bring chaplets from bowery Maenalus,
Paen the god of healing (an epithet of Apollonas the healing deity
 The MARK of Apollon leader of the Musessignum Paeanis,Cic. Verr. 2, 4, 57, § 127
        A religious hymn, orig. in honor of Apollon, but also transf. to other deities,
        a festive hymn
, hymn of triumph or praise, a pœan dicite io Paean, et [and] io bis dicite Paean,

Dico 4. To describe, relate, sing, celebrate in writing (mostly poet.): “tibi dicere laudes,Tib. 1, 3, 31; so, “laudes Phoebi  [APOLLON as the god of light] et Dianae  
    
Dianae     [afterwards regarded as identical with the Gr. Artemis, the daughter of Jupiter and Latona, the sister of Apollon, the virgin moon-goddess (Luna)
    turba  1. Of persons (freq. and class.; cf.: “multitudo, vulgus): turbae carmin    a tune, song, air, lay, strain, note, sound, both vocal and instrumenta; “citharae liquidum carmen,lyrae carmen, barbaricum
      Plebs  
B. With accessory notion of contempt, the populace, the lower class or order, the mass (poet. and in post-Aug. prose): “multitudo de plebe  Satyrique
The BEASTS includes Satyric Drama
sătyrus , i, m., = saturos. [CAPPELLA ]II. A Satyr, one of the satyri, a kind of wood-deities resembling apes, with two goat's feet, and very lascivious;
The MARK of the BEAST.
signum  a MARK, token, sign, indication id. 2, 31 (3, 29), 16; cf.: “sonante mixtum tibiis carmen lyra,   to advance to the attack, make an assault, to follow the standards, to march in military order 2. A sign, signal; a watchword, password, given by a wind-instrument
b. Esp., the standard or ensign of single cohorts and maniples (opp. aquila, the standard of the entire legion):
        “cum fasces, cum tubas, 2. A sign, signal; a watchword, password, given by a wind-instrument,
        by the tessera, or otherwise: “signum tubā dare

The SIGN to Break up the Ekklesia
God provided No Lyric words or in measure, metron to be sung.

lyra  I.a lute, lyre, a stringed instrument resembling the cithara, fabled to have been invented by Mercury and presented to Apollon. A. Lyric poetry [NONE IN SCRIPTURE], song: Lesbis amica lyrae,  poetic genius: poetic genius: “Inferior lyra,Stat. Th. 10, 445.—

Stat. Theb. 10  Latin1] Dewy Night overwhelmed Phoebus
[Apollon] in the gateway of the West, hastened by the commands of Jove;
        nought pities he the Pelasgian camp nor the Tyrian forces,
        but he grieved that beside the warriors
        so many innocent folk should fall by the sword.
        Thus in the longed-for embraces of their chiefs do both the noble-minded pair, Aetolian alike and famed Arcadian, breathe out their peerless souls and taste of death. Ye too are consecrate,
        though my sons soar for a LESS LIKELY LYRE,
        and will go down the unforgetful years.
        Perchance too Euryalus will not spurn his comrade SHADES,
        and the glory of Phrygian Nisus will not say them nay.

plectrum anew mŏvĕo
Psallo outlaws a plectrum, a wind instrument, a percussion instrument

Strike an instrument with a plectrum.  citharam cum voce,id. ib. 5, 112: tympana,id. H. 4, 48; to disturb: “novis Helicona cantibus,Manil. Astron. 1, 4: “signum movere loco  a. To excite, occasion, cause, promote,  cantūs,Verg. A. 10, 163: “tantum decus, to undertake any thing that excites disturbanc

Sono . Neutr., to make a noise, to sound, resound: aes sonit, the trumpet sounds, Enn. ap. Non. 504, 33 (Trag. v. 213 Vahl.):
plectra,Prop. 4 (5), 7, 62. tympana, 5 “Pythius in longā carmina veste sonat,sings, pours forth, accompanies on the lyre,
id. 2, 31 (3, 29), 16; cf.: “sonante mixtum tibiis carmen lyra,

Thebaid.4.html LATIN [144] With no military training:. Yet she sends three hundred manly hearts, a company undisciplined for war, without javelin-thongs or the surly gleam of swords; on their heads and shoulders the tawny spoil of lions, their tribe’s adornment, a pinewood stake their weapon, and shafts crammed tight in inexhaustible quivers.
      They sing the paean of Hercules and the world swept clear of monsters: the god listens from afar on leafy Oeta.
      Nemea gives them comrades and all the might that he sacred vineyards of Cleonaean Molorchus summon to war.
Well known is the glory of that cottage; pictured upon its willow doors are the arms of the god who was its guest, and in the humble field ‘tis shown where he laid his club, and under what holm-oak he reposed his limbs at ease, and where yet the ground bears traces of his lying.

580] While the chaste priestess thus recounts the tale to her father, his hoary locks trembling rise erect with lifted chaplet, and his pale visage throbs with a rush of blood. No longer rests he on the supporting staff or faithful maiden, but standing upright cries: “Cease they song, my daughter, enough have I of external light, the sluggish mists depart, black night flees from my face. Comes it from the shades or from Apollon on high, this flooding inspiration?


The Levites Soothsayers or Sorceres
Hebrew mythology and Professor Goldziher told his brethren 20 years ago, they were the ancient Lci-uns or desert sorcerers, Lu-ls or Lavi-s or serpent enchanters — quasi "medicine men," who conjured with serpents like Shamans and many Yogis : hence called aubi, obi (ophi) or obias who arc common throughout Asia and Africa. The Lui, anglice Levite, is from, Lu, "entwin ing or wreathing," hence "the serpent one," and the Tvh, Lute or serpent specialized in Job's dragonian divinity the Lui-ihan \JV"h anglice Leviathan, iii. 8, xxvi. 13 ; Is. xxvii. 1

Grace Centered Forum CLAIMS to speak for The Church of Christ but false teachers CAST OUT any Scripture which defines the ASSEMBLY of Christ beginning in Genesis 49.  Moses wrote AFTER the people at Mount Sinai fell into Instrumental-Trinitarian-Perverted Idolatry which was beyond redemption.

Moloch.harp.drum.flute.gif
Genesis.49.Levi.Cursed.Wait.for.Shiloh
The Prophets Define the REST DAY when Christ comes to SILENCE the burden laders who lade any kind of ritual burden.
Rev. 21:8 But the COWARDLY, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and SORCERIES, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Rev. 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
Rev. 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy SORCERIES were all nations deceived.
Theōr-is , idos, , II. pl.,= Bakkhai, Id., cf. Plb.30.25.12; of attendants of Apollo, Nonn.D.9.261.
pharmakeus kai sophistēs

sophis-tēs , ou, ho, A.master of one's craft, adept, expert, of diviners, Hdt.2.49; of poets, “meletan sophistais prosbalonPi.I.5(4).28, cf. Cratin.2; of musicians, “sophistēs . . parapaiōn khelun” [turtle harp] A.Fr.314, cf. Eup.447, Pl.Com. 140; sophistē Thrēki (sc. Thamyris) E.Rh.924, cf. Ath.14.632c: with modal words added, “hoi s. tōn hierōn melōn
melos  B. esp. musical member.  The MELODY word never in Scripture
2. music to which a song is set, tune, Arist.Po.1450a14;
        Opposite rhuthmos,
       
Opposite  metron, Pl.Grg. 502c;
        Opposite opp. rhuthmos, rhēma,
That's ONE WAY to win your battle among a shrinking number of people. GRACE is a "name" for Jesus who came as TEACHER.

For instance, on Illumination BY "The" Holy Spirit. First, there is no "the" there. If the Spirit OF God or OF Jesus is "another" god person it would be blasphemous to use the article.
Second, all of the "spirit" words derive from WIND, a blast of air or even FLATULENCE.
h7307.g4151.gif

God put's His WORD directly into the MOUTH of a Moses, the Prophets (who wrote Scripture) and LASTLY directly into the mouth of Jesus.  The LU crowd claims that Father and Son NEEDED THE Holy Spirit as a god to make their relationship INTELLIGIBLE.

2Chronicles 36:22 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia,
        that the
WORD of the LORD spoken by the MOUTH of Jeremiah might be accomplished,
        the LORD stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia,
          that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying,
 

Micah 2:7 O thou that art named the house of Jacob,
        is the
spirit OF the Lord straitened? are these his doings?
        do not
MY words do good to him that walketh uprightly?

Isaiah 34:16 Seek ye out of the BOOK of the LORD, and READ:
        no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate:
        for my MOUTH it hath commanded,
        and his SPIRIT it hath gathered them.
Isaiah 59:21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD;
        My
SPIRIT that is upon thee,
        and my WORDS which I have put in thy
MOUTH,
        shall not depart out of thy
MOUTH,
        nor out of the
MOUTH of thy seed,
        nor out of the mouth of thy seed’s seed,
        saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.


Micah 2:7 O thou that art named the house of Jacob,
        is the
spirit OF the Lord straitened? are these his doings?
        do not
MY words do good to him that walketh uprightly?


IF YOU CLAIM THAT JESUS IS THE LORD-GOD IN THE FLESH.   
        Your are an Antichrist because the MAN Jesus of Nazareth came in the FLESH.

IF YOU CLAIM THAT YOU HEAR GOD BEYOND THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN:

1Kings 22:22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth,
        and I will be a LYING SPIRIT in the MOUTH of all his prophets.
        And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.


Only conversion at baptism requests A holy spirit or A good conscience, consciousness or the ability to read BLACK text on BROWN Paper.  Then you will know that the Lord Jesus is THAT SPIRIT because He said My WORDS are SPIRIT (MENTAL DISPOSITION) AND LIFE.

John 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
John 10:32 Jesus answered them,
        Many good works have I shewed you FROM my Father;
        for which of those works do ye stone me?
John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying,
        For a good work we stone thee not;
        but for BLASPHEMY; and because that thou,
        being a MAN, makest thyself GOD.

ALL words for "god" are generic.  The Lord (yhwh) is the only god as the Almighty. In Prophecy, Christ is called Immanuel as or an ELOHIM because The Lord-God made the man Jesus TO BE both Lord [Kurios] and Christ [Theos' Anointed or sanctified by baptism]
Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.
Grace.Centered.Molech.Col.Wiki.gif

There are many, many gods (Hebrew Elohim) but only ONE Lord (yhwh) as the only true God (Elohim)


John 10:34 Jesus answered them,
        Is it not written in YOUR law, I said, Ye are gods?
John 10:35 If he called them gods,
        unto whom the WORD of God came,
        and the scripture cannot be broken;

John 10:36 Say ye of him,
        whom the FATHER hath SANCTIFIED,
        and SENT into the WORLD [Ecumenical, kingdom of the Devil)
       Thou BLASPHEMEST ; because I said, I am the SON OF GOD



The.Rhetoric.of.Jesus.In.The.Gospel.of.Mark
David Young, Michael Strickland: Their analysis UNCOVERS
        how the discourses are CONSTRUCTED;
        what issues each discourse seeks to treat;
        how the argumentation,
        arrangement, and style of each discourse CONTRIBUTES  to its overall purpose;
        and how the discourse fits into the overall narrative context of the Gospel.
The authors demonstrate that, contrary to what some historical critics have suggested,
        first-century audiences of Mark would have found
                The discourses of Jesus unified, well-integrated, and PERSUASIVE
They also show how these SPEECHES of the Markan Jesus
        CONTRIBUTE to Mark’s overall narrative ACCOMPLISHMENTS


Aristotle's
Rhetorica (1404a),
In that regard, epic's position is parallel to that of RHETORIC
. Beginning with Aristotle's Rhetorica (1404a),
        critics of
rhetorical performance have ascribed to lively delivery the same effect as that of acting.
       
There is a persistent association between theatrics, bad RHETOIC and EFFEMINANCY

John Chrysostom Homily Musical Worship of Satan.

It is not meet that he who has the advantage of such hearing be partaker of the table of devils.

"For what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness?" (2 Cor. vi. 14.)
Thou standest listening to John, and learning the things of the
Spirit by him;
and dost thou after this depart to
listen to harlots speaking vile things, and acting viler, and to effeminates cuffing one another? How wilt thou be able to be fairly cleansed, if thou wallowest in such mire? Why need I reckon in detail all the indecency that is there?

All there is laughter, all is shame, all disgrace, revilings and mockings, all abandonment, all destruction, See, I forewarn and charge you all. Let none of those who enjoy the blessings of this table destroy his own soul by those pernicious spectacles. All that is said and done there is a pageant of Satan.

But ye who have been initiated know what manner of covenants ye made with us, or rather ye made with Christ when He guided you into His mysteries, what ye spoke to Him, what speech ye had with Himconcerning Satan's pageant; how with Satan and his angels ye renounced this also, and promised that you would not so much as cast a glance that way.

There is then no slight ground for fear, lest, by becoming careless of such promises, one should render himself unworthy of these mysteries.

[7.] Seest thou not how in king's palaces it is not those who have offended, but those who have been honorably distinguished, that are called to share especial favor, and are numbered among the king's friends.

A messenger has come to us from heaven, sent by God Himself, to speak with us on certain necessary matters, and you leave hearing His will, and the message He sends to you,and sit listening to stage-players. What thunderings, what bolts from heaven, does not this conduct deserve!
For as it is not meet to partake of the
table of devils, so neither is it of the listening to devils;

Now will he appear before us,

not acting a part, (for with him there is nothing counterfeit, nor fiction, nor fable,) but with unmasked head he proclaims to us the truth unmasked (Note: without hypocrisy);

not making the audience believe him other than he is by carriage, by look, by voice,
needing for the delivery of his message no instruments of music, as harp, lyre, or any other the like,
for he
effects all with his tongue, uttering a voice which is sweeter and more profitable than that of any harper or any music.





John.1.Kingdom.or.Church.of.Christ.Created.by.Christ
John has Jesus mark trinitarians as BLASPHEMERS and in his Epistle as ANTICHRISTS.

Revised 3.12.19 GB Asks:
   What is satan's greatest tool of deception?

BUT ARE AFRAID TO ASK SCRIPTURE AND UNIVERSAL HISTORY.
A lifeless instrument is a Carnal Weapon.  The weapon is ORGANON which speaks of the WRATH or ORGY which Paul warned the MEN about.  People who PROMOTE the BEAST (a new style of music or Satyric Drama) are the AGENTS OF DECEIT. 

GOOGLE AND THE WEAPONS OF DECEIT.
  AND the Musicators cannot find a command, example or remote inference of God calling HIS little SECT out to engage in group singing with or without instruments conceived to deceive.

Those who are Deceived call the Spirit OF god, Jesus, Paul etal IGNORANT because simple sally would know that PLUCK has no meaning unless you define WHAT to pluck: it might be the pubic hair of a young boy being seduced by PLUCKING the Lyre. 

Paul commanded that we SPEAK Psalms, Hymns or Spiritual Songs (In the Bible only). 
We don't know of anyone who does not say that Paul commanded that we SING the Bible Text.  That is despising the Word and is blasphemy.

If, as you say, God wasn't ignorant, He would have guided Paul (who already knew) to say:
ho kuriōs hu. pros kitharan ēdeto hestōtōn
 306; “en alurois [(accompanied by flute, not lyre)] kleontes humno
Eur. Alc. 447 Poets shall sing often in your praise both on the seven-stringed mountain tortoise-shell1 and in songs unaccompanied by the lyre when at Sparta the month of Carnea2 comes circling round [450] and the moon is aloft the whole night long, and also in rich, gleaming Athens. Such is the theme for song that you have left for poets by your death. 

1 Hermes is said to have made the first lyre out of a tortoise-shell. [while still in his crib and used to steal Apollon's Cattle. He is Mercury or Kairos the perverted go of thieves and liars and sellers of songs or none-bible sermons]
People who will not PERMIT DIALOG are the angels of light or DECEIVERS in action.

CAIN
7014. Qayin, kah´-yin; the same as 7013 (with a play upon the affinity to 7069)
        h7013. qayin, kah´-yin; from 6969 in the original sense of fixity; a lance (as STRIKING fast):—spear.

h6969. quwn, koon; a primitive root; to STRIKE a musical note, i.e. chant or wail (at a funeral):—lament, mourning woman.

h6968

1John 3:12 Not as Cain,
        who was of that wicked one,
         and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him?
         Because his own works were evil, and his brother’s righteous.
His Son:
Gen. 4:21 And his brother’s name was Jubal:
        he was the father of all such as
        handle [without authority] the harp and organ.

h6968.quwn.cain.gif

THE LITTLE BOX CARRIED THE MOUTHPIECES OF WIND INSTRUMENTS.The.Ecclesiastical.History.of.Theodoret.Book.3  Book III..html

Now Libanius61 was a heathen expecting victory and bearing in mind the threats of Julian, so one day, in ridicule of our belief he said to the pedagogue, "What is the carpenter's son about now?" Filled with divine grace, he foretold what was shortly to come to pass. "Sophist," said he, "the Creator of all things, whom you in derision call carpenter's son, is making a coffin."62

After a few days the death of the wretch was announced. He was carried out lying in his coffin. The vaunt of his threats was proved vain, and God was glorified.63

2Th. 2:3 Let no man DECEIVE you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
G684. apoleia, ap-o´-li-a; from a presumed derivative of 622; ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal): — damnable(-nation), destruction, die, perdition, x perish, pernicious ways, waste.
622. ajpo/llumi apollumi, ap-ol´-loo-mee; from 575 and the base of 3639; to destroy fully (reflexively, to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively:

g623.  Apolluon, ap-ol-loo´-ohn; active participle of 622; a destroyer (i.e. Satan): — Apollyon.

62 The form in the text (glwssokomon) is rejected by Attic purists, but is used twice by St. John, as well as in the Septuagint. In II. Chron. xxiv. 8 (cf. II. Kings xii. 9) it means a chest. In St. John's Gospel xii. 6 and xiii. 29 it is "the bag," properly (xi. 3) "box," which Judas carried. In the Palatine anthology Nicanor the coffin maker makes these "glossokoma" or coffins. Derivatively the word means "tongue-cases," i.e. cases to keep the tongues or reeds of musical instruments. An instance of similar transfer of meaning is our word "coffin;" derivatively a wicker basket; - at one time any case or cover, and in Shakespeare (Titus Andronicus Act V. 2, 189) pie crust. Perhaps "casket," which now still holds many things, may one day only hold a corpse.

Instrumental music leading to perverted play at Mount Sinai caused Moses to to record how the only Lord-God REcreated the Hebrew people from the Vanity, Ignorance and Wickedness of the Sumerian-Babylon Heaven God and Earth Goddess well documented on clay tablets one to two thousand years before Moses. 

Caelum Son of Aether and Dies, of Mercury and the first Venus [Babylonian Eve],.
Terra   B  Personified, Terra, the Earth, as a goddess; “usu. called Tellus, Magna Mater, Ceres, Cybele,

As warned by Paul who was Bible and History Literate, Feminists have wrestled control over many groups, Adam was to honor Eve as man honored God.

Jeanene P. Reese Theology of Women TeachersI In the Genesis account God made the woman to be a helper/partner to the man. Yet God commanded Adam to leave father and mother and cleave to his wife (2:24),   a directive that “counteracts a patriarchal culture, which would command the wife instead.” 5 Evans notes that the word “cleave” used in Gen 2:24 “is used almost universally for a WEAKER cleaving to a stronger. 

http://www.piney.com/His23.html
The bearing of all this upon the question of the identification of
Cybele and Astarte, or Venus, is important. Fundamentally, there was but one goddess--the Holy Spirit, represented as female, when the distinction of sex was wickedly ascribed to the Godhead,

through a perversion of the great Scripture idea, that all the children of God are at once begotten of the Father, and born of the Spirit;

and under this idea, the Spirit of God, as Mother, was represented under the form of a dove, in memory of the fact that that Spirit, at the creation, "fluttered"--for so, as I have observed, is the exact meaning of the term in Genesis 1:2--"on the face of the waters."

This goddess, then, was called Ops, "the flutterer," or Juno, "The Dove," or Khubele, "The binder with cords," which last title had reference to "the bands of love, the cords of a man" (called in Hosea 11:4, "Khubeli Adam"),

She just listened to MALE theologians.  The WORK PRODUCE of Female or Effeminate leadership gets OVERT.

http://www.piney.com/Sara.Barton.The.Song.of.Solomon.html

Jesus said that truth had been hidden in parables from the foundation of the World: this was to make those who tampered with the Word both blind and deaf. No level of scholarship provides a 50 thousand dollar course in Prepositional Phrases

Gen. 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.  
Mark 1:10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the SPIRIT like a dove descending upon him:
 And the SPIRIT OF God MOVED upon the face of the waters. and the SPIRIT like a dove   cŏlumba  I.  a dove, pigeon, NOT: Ops, “the flutterer,” or Juno, “The Dove,” or Khubele , g2258 khehbela rope or noose
g7363.   rachaph, raw-khaf´; a primitive root; to brood; by implication, to be relaxed:—FLUTTER, move, shake. descending upon him:  dē-scendo
Gen. 1:3  And God SAID, Let there be light: and there was light  Mark 1:11 And there came a VOICE from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased
http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.55.Word.Spirit.html
Is. 55:10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven,
and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud,that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
A VOICE dē-scendo
Of WATER conveyed in pipes, to fall: “subeat descendatq lex ue,” Plin. 31, 6, 31, § 57;
 C. In gen., a law, precept, regulation, principle, rule, mode, manner: “ C. In gen., a law, precept, regulation, principle, rule, mode, manner: “qui disciplinam suam
Is. 55:11 So shall MY WORD be that goeth forth out of my MOUTH: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. John 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? [as Holy Spirit without flesh and bones.]
John 6:63 It is the SPIRIT that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are
SPIRIT, and they are life.
 Deut. 32:10 He found him in a desert land, and in the waste [TOHUW] howling wilderness; he led him about, he INSTRUCTED him, he kept him as the apple of his eye.
Deut. 32:11 AS an eagle stirreth up her nest,
FLUTTERETH over her young, spreadeth abroad her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings:
Deut. 32:12 So the Lord alone did LEAD him, and there was NO STRANGE god with him
Ov. M. 15, 386;
  I doo fynd
By fame, that under Charlsis wayne in Pallene are a kynd Of people which by dyving thryce three tymes in Triton lake Becomme all fethred, and the shape of birdes uppon them take.
The Scythian WITCHES also are reported for to doo
The selfsame thing

Holy Spirit the Pure Breath of God which He Puts into the MOUTH of the PROPHETS and finally into the MOUTH of Jesus of Nazareth Who became His Son 30 years after He came in the flesh. SPIRIT cannot and is not used to define a god or man.

Grace Centered Magazine has been infiltrated by those who attack Scriptures (beyond a quote) and are TYPICAL of the "progressives" who claim God's Spirit as the source for "infiltrating and diverting" your property and ROB TEMPLES claiming "Eminent Domain".

1. God puts His WORDS into the MOUTH of Prophets and Jesus without an ENABLER.
2. Jesus put His WORDS into the MOUTH of the APOSTLES without an ENABLERS
2. Writers such as Peter left us a MEMORY and anyone who alters that WORD or Regulative Principle is marked as false and Despising the Spirit a word used as FIGURATIVE of BREATH.
3. The Vocational Elders as the only Pastor-Teachers if APT teaches that which is written.
4. The Assembly or Church has NO OTHER PERSON.
5. The commanded delivery is SPEAK (not sing) or READ which requires no professionals.
6. "Use one mind and one mouth to SPEAK that which is written for our learning which MEANS and is defines as the UNISION reading of the Word, Logos or Regulative.  Have a closing prayer and GO OUT.
7. Anything else performed by clergy is defined as "corrupting the WORD", selling learning or ADULTERY.

The Prophetic Type in literature including the Bible for a "king set over us" to confiscate wealth (tithes and offerings" and people and DISTRIBUTE them to his favorite including the Jacob-Cursed and God-Abandoned Levites to sing and play instruments by DAVID'S command.

[[Vol. 2, Page]] 45 THE HEBREW KADESHIM

Thus "Bacchus [New Wineskins] was directly called upon," he says. The Sabazian worship was Sabbatic; the names Evius, or Hevius, and Luaios are identical with Hivite and Levite.

The French name Louis is the Hebrew Levi; Iacchus again is Iao or Jehovah; and Baal or Adon, like Bacchus, was a phallic god.

The ONE JEHOVAH defines Himself as the only God or Elohim and by saying "I AM the Lord [yhwh] God [Elohim] of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

"Who shall ascend into the hill (the HIGH place) of the Lord?" asks the holy king David, "who shall stand in the place of his Kadushu ]? (Psalms xxiv. 3).
         Kadesh may mean in one sense to devote, hallow, sanctify,
            and even to initiate or to set apart;

         but it also means the
ministers of lascivious rites (the Venus-worship)

and the true interpretation of the word Kadesh is bluntly rendered in Deuteronomy xxiii. 17; Hosea iv. 14; and Genesis xxxviii., from verses 15 to 22. The "holy" Kadeshuth of the Bible were identical as to the duties of their office with the Nautch-girls of the later Hindu pagodas.

FEMINIST THEOLOGY: MUSIC AND NEO-TRINITY MARKS PROGRESSIVES.

Galatians 5 Music is Witchcraft and Recrucifies Christ: the EMASCULATED excluded.

Galatians 5:12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.

A. Based on the words Paul uses pointed to the emasculated priests of the mother goddess, Paul intends to CUT OFF the musical performers in the same way the priests were made eunuchs:

First:
Apo-koptō , a.ta gennētika, of eunuchs, Ph.1.89: abs., “apokekommenoseunuch, LXXDe.23.1, cf.Luc.Eun.8:—Med., make oneself a eunuch, Ep.Gal.5.12, cf. Arr.Epict.2.20.19.

3. esp. of voice or breath, cut short,ton tou pneumatos tononD.H.Comp.14, cf. 22:—Pass., “apokekoptai tini phōnēPlu.Dem.25, cf. Dsc.Eup.1.85.
Ton-os , o(, (teinō) 2. of sounds, raising of the voice, Aeschin.3.209,210, D.18.280, Phld.Lib.p.19 O., etc.: hence, a. pitch of the voice, Pl.R. 617b, Arist.Phgn.807a17, etc.; including volume,tonoi phōnēs: oxu, baru, mikron, megaX.Cyn.6.20; of a musical instrument, Plu.2.827b, etc.; diatonic scale,
3. esp. of voice or breath, cut short,ton tou pneumatos tononD.H.Comp.14, cf. 22:—Pass., “apokekoptai tini phōnēPlu.Dem.25, cf. Dsc.Eup.1.85
phōn-ē4. of sounds made by inanimate objects, mostly Poet., “kerkidos ph.S.Fr.595; “suriggōn (pipe) E.Tr.127 (lyr.); “aulōn”(flute) Mnesim.4.56 (anap.); rare in early Prose, “organōn phōnaiPl.R.397a; freq. in LXX, “ ph. tēs salpiggos” (harp) LXX Ex.20.18; ph. brontēs ib. Ps.103(104).7; “ ph. autou hōs ph. hudatōn pollōnApoc.1.15.

Plat. Rep. 397a [397a]
“the other kind speaker, the more debased he is the less will he shrink from imitating anything and everything. He will think nothing unworthy of himself, so that he will attempt, seriously and in the presence of many, to imitate all things, including those we just now mentioned—claps of thunder, and the noise of wind and hail and axles and pulleys, and the notes of trumpets and flutes and pan-pipes, and the sounds of all instruments, and the cries of dogs, sheep, and birds; and so his style will depend wholly on imitation

Cut off the Organs of sound:
Organon , to/, (ergon, erdō) A. instrument, implement, tool, for making or doing a thing,
polemika (war) hopla te kai organaPl.R.374d, cf. Lg. 956a
3. musical instrument, Simon.31, f.l. in A.Fr.57.1 ; ho men di' organōn ekēlei anthrōpous,Pl.Smp.215c ; aneu organōn psilois logois ibid., cf. Plt.268b ; “o. polukhordaId.R.399c, al.; “met' ōdēs kai tinōn organōnPhld.Mus.p.98K.; of the pipe, Melanipp.2, Telest.1.2.

Ergon , 1. in Il. mostly of works or deeds of war, “polemēia e.Il.2.338, al., Od.12.116 ; “ergon makhēsIl.6.522
of Marsyas,
MOTHER GODDESS WORSHIP SELLING COUNTERFEIT FREE WATER OF THE WORD WITH MASSIVE STAFF.  God is not worshipped by the WORKS of human hands and all Performance of Ceremonial Legalism fulfills Isaiah 3 where women and effeminates Rule Over You

Mike.Cope.2017.PBL.Hieros.Gamos
.html
Sara.Barton.The.Song.of.Solomon

2Cor. 2:17 For we are not as many, which CORRUPT the WORD of God:
        but as of sincerity, but as OF GOD , in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

THE HOUSE OF GOD IS THE LAOS AND EXCLUDES PRIESTS OR LEVITES, SCRIBES OR PHARISEES WHO SELL AND TWIST THE WORD.

A. Obsōnātor (ops- ), ōris, m. [id..] , I.a buyer of victuals; a caterer, purveyor:   According to Paul the corrupters of the Word were hucksters or adulterers "selling learning at retail." Jesus consigned the pipers, singers and dancers to the marketplace where the pagan gods were worshipped.

B. One who wears soft clothing.

In this dress: He has put on the "malacum pallium," "the soft garment," mentioned in l. 71, as being about to join the entertainment which he is providing.

Flash forward to Jesus: Luke 7:25 But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? Behold, they which are gorgeously apparelled, and live delicately, are in kings’ courts. 

5172. truphe, troo-fay´; from thrupto (to break up or (figuratively) enfeeble, especially the mind and body by indulgence); effeminacy, i.e. luxury or debauchery:  delicately, riot.

2 Peter 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;

Entrupo (g1792) en-troo-fah'-o; from 1722 and 5171; to revel in: - sporting selves.

Truphaô , ( [truphê] ) 
2.revel in, entoisagathoistinos LXXSi.14.4 ; delight in, enagathôsunêisou ib.Ne.9.25.

A. live softly, luxuriously, fare sumptuously, paison, truphêson, paison paizô [pais] 4. to play (on an instrument), Hhymn. II. to sport, play, jest, joke, Hdt., Xen., etc.; p. pros tina to make sport of one, mock him. spoiled pets of the ekklesia,, zêson

2 Peter 2 Instrumental Music Marks Corruption

C.  Parasite is one who eats with another,  

Parasiti Jovis of the gods, Phoebi, a player, actor, lives by flattery and buffooner, manages to live at another's expense, a sponger, toad-eate

Parasitis saltandum non cinaedus malacus aequest atque ego.

THE MARK OF ALL RELIGIOUS SPEAKERS, SINGERS, PLAYERS, DANCERS

DOGS
cĭnaedus , i, m., = kinaidos. I. He who practises unnatural lust, a sodomite, catamite,

B. Adj.: cĭnaedus , a, um, wanton, unchaste: “ut decuit cinaediorem,Cat. 10, 24.—Trop., impudent, shameless: “homo cinaedā fronte,Mart. 6, 39, 12.— Hence,

Catul. 16 TO AURELIUS AND FURIUS IN DEFENCE OF HIS MUSE'S HONESTY notes

I'll . . . you twain and . . .
Pathic Aurelius! Fúrius, libertines!
Who durst determine from my versicles
Which seem o'er softy, that I'm scant of shame.
For pious poet it behoves be chaste
Himself; no chastity his verses need;

Nay, gain they finally more salt of wit
When over softy and of scanty shame,
Apt for exciting somewhat prurient,
In boys, I say not, but in bearded men
Who fail of movements in their hardened loins.
Ye who so many thousand kisses sung
Have read, deny male masculant I be?
You twain I'll . . . and . . .

EXCLUDED OR EJECTED FROM THE ASSEMBLY OF WORSHIP IN THE SPIRIT AND NOT IN THE FLESH

Phil 3:2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.

For they had compelled them to abandon their own fatherland, their liberty, and their heavenly kindred, and to seek an alien and foreign one; they had cast them out of Jerusalem which is above and free, and compelled them to wander forth as captives and emigrants.....But in truth neither the eye nor any other part of us is to blame, but the depraved will only. But if you will not allow this, why do you not mutilate the tongue for blasphemy, the hands for rapine, the feet for their evil courses, in short, the whole body? For the ear enchanted by the sound of a flute hath often enervated the soul; and the perception of a sweet perfume by the nostrils hath bewitched the mind, and made it frantic for pleasure. Yet this would be extreme wickedness and satanic madness.
 
A note reads:

Paul wishes that the circumcisers would not stop with circumcision but go beyond it to mutilation (make themselves eunuchs) like the priests of Cybele. A severe irony and similar to the one in Philip. iii. 2, 3, where Paul calls the boasters of circumcision “the Concision.” Self mutilation was a recognized form of heathen worship especially in Pessinus in Galatia and therefore quite familiar to the readers. Thus by their glorying in the flesh the Galatians relapsed into their former heathenism,—Schaff and Lightfoot. The Revised Version here has, “would even cut themselves off,” the American Committee has, “would go beyond circumcision.”—G.A.]

Phil 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God IN THE SPIRIT and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence IN THE FLESH.

ALL RELIGIOUS OPERATIVES WERE CALLED PARASITES

Parasītus (parasitos,
“table companion”). A word which among the Greeks denoted originally the priest's assistant, who, like the priest,
        received his support from the offerings made to the temple, in return for certain services.
        These services included the collection and care of supplies of corn due to the temple,
         assistance at certain sacrifices,
        and the preparation of the banquets connected with [p. 1175] certain festivals. The assistants of civil officials, who were maintained at the expense of the State, were also called parasites in many places. The word received another meaning in the Middle and New Greek comedy, where it means the hanger on, who plays the flatterer and buffoon, with a view to getting invited to dinner. The parasite was transferred as a standing character to the Roman imitations of Greek comedy, and figures largely in the plays of Plautus. Good examples of the stage parasite will be found in his Captivi Menaechmi Phormio of Terence. 

1 Pyrgopolinices: The literal meaning of the name of the swaggering Captain is "the much-conquering tower," or something similar. "Artotrogus" means "bread-eater." The word "Parasite" properly denotes "one person who dines with another." The name was originally given to persons who were assistants to the priests and high magistrates, and, consequently, had a respectable signification. The hangers-on, who are called "Parasites" by the Comic writers of Greece and Rome, first received that name from Alexis, the Greek Comedian. It has been well remarked, that their chief characteristics were "importunity, love of sensual pleasures," and "the desire of getting a good dinner without paying for it." They may be subdivided into the jesting, the officious, and the flattering Parasite (assentator), of which latter kind Artotrogus is an admirable specimen. From ancient writers we find that it was their method to frequent the Courts of justice, market-places, baths, places for exercise, and other objects of public resort, with the view of obtaining a dinner, at the price of being the butt of their entertainer, and cheerfully submitting to the greatest humiliations.



An Assembly of Christ is built upon or EDUCATED by the Prophets and Apostles: That WORD or Regulative Principle is the only way to be a Christian School of Christ. GRACE cannot be USED as a way to contradict the Spirit OF Christ in both the Prophets and Apostles.

Eph. 2:20 And are built upon [Education] the foundation of the apostles and prophets,
        Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

 
Grace like Word or Light are not "persons" but what God put into the MOUTH of Jesus without needing a Spirit God to make Him Intelligible contrary to Leonard Allen. 

Titus 2:11 For the GRACE OF God that bringeth salvation hath APPEARED to all men,
Titus 2:12 TEACHING US us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts,
        we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

ONLY GOD THROUGH THE MAN JESUS CAN EXTEND GRACE: HE WOULD NEVER EXTEND GRACE TO PERMIT PEOPLE TO MOCK HIM WITH MUSICAL NOISES INTENDING TO SILENCE His Word. Furthermore, THE PAGAN grace in "worship institutions silencing the Word" is always the MARK or BRAND of gender-confused rhetoric, singing or playing instruments to SELL their own words. These self-speakers, says Jesus, are the sons of the devil who DO and not SPEAK.

Charites

"Graces," heavenly dispensers of charis (Latin caritas), the grace of Mother Aphrodite, which the Bible translates either "love" or "charity" (1 Corinthians 13). The Charites were ancient manifestations of the Triple Goddess. Pausanias said they were worshipped at Orchomenos as three standing stones.1 The classic myth of their nymph-hood hardly described them; nor did their Christian form, the mythical St. Charity. See Grace; Sophia, Saint.

Sorcerer (paranormal), a practitioner of magic, the ability to attain objectives or acquire knowledge or wisdom using supernatural means

In Christianity, Lectio Divina (Latin for "Divine Reading") is a traditional Benedictine practice of scriptural reading, meditation and prayer intended to promote communion with God and to increase the knowledge of God's word. It does not treat scripture as texts to be studied, but as the living word.

HORAE
The course of the seasons (or hours) is symbolically described by the dance of the Horae;
        and, in conjunction with the Charites [Pagan GRACE],
        Hebe, Harmonia, and Aphrodite, 

        they accompany the songs of the Muses
        and Apollo's [Abaddon-Apollon] play on the lyre, with their dancing.

"Music" demands dancing or moving the body to the beat: There is no
tuneful music in the Bible. The command is to SPEAK the Scriptures so there was no congregational "singing" until Calvin accepted some psalms to be REWRITTEN and sung in UNISON ONY.

Yet another version of Aphrodite as Triple Goddess,

        Agape 'love feast,' Agape the ruler of sacred sexual rites
        Irene 'peace,' Irene was the Crone, bringer of the peace of death
        Chione 'snow queen.' Chione was the new year, born at Winter Solstice,
                    unapproachable and serene.


Divina was the Thessalian witch or hag.

Regarding the c, Rudolph comments:
...the ceremony only
superficially resembles the Christian eucharist,
but
rather continues older Greek and Hellenistic secret cults (like that of Eleusis and that of the god Sabazios,
[JEWS] in which the snake was worshipped as a symbol of the chthonic deity and fertility). For the Ophites or Nassene gnostics the snake was a medium of revelation and mouthpiece of the most sublime... Resource GNOSIS: The Nature & History of Gnosticism by Kurt Rudolf p. 242





The Magi travelled far beyond Mesopotamia and the Levant. They were present in India by at least the first century BCE, as well as in Ethiopia, Egypt, and throughout Asia Minor. Many ancient sources claim they were Zarathustrians, or that Zarathustra, who may have lived as early as 1100 BCE, was himself a Maguš; according to sinologist Victor H. Mair, they arrived in China at around this time.[33] Ilya Gershevitch has described them as "a professional priesthood to whom Zarathustrianism was merely one of the forms of religion in which they ministered against payment, much as a professional musician earns his living by performing the works of different composers".[33]

Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

Ep.4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness whereby they lie in wait to deceiveselling personal opinions, singing or playing instruments

Grace Centered Magazine Affirms Buff Scott but BLOCKS out any Bible Rebuttal. Grace "hath appeared TEACHING us to deny the PAGAN Graces.  Buff is allowed to blasphemy continuously and the moderators must agree.
Buff Scott Unbeliever at Grace Centered Forum: In the late 50s and early 60s, Leroy Garrett & Carl Ketcherside abandoned their sectarian stance, which both had pursued for years, in favor of freedom in Jesus. As the same time, they surrendered their exclusivist demeanor and began to recognize that God's coral is broader, wider, higher and deeper than the sect of which they once parroted. From that day onward, they proclaimed that wherever God has a child, they have a brother or a sister.

Ketcherside and Garret followed the PATTERN of ignoring Christ and the Context and just quoting proof texts.
Leroy Garret boasts about infiltrating Christian Colleges as "college minister" teaching his hate mongering.  He founded the Stone Campbell movement in a malignant view widely adopted that Churches of Christ SECTED OUT of Stone's "Christians."  At the time Campbell was preaching for the Reformed Baptists and teaching baptism FOR the remission.  Campbell was subtle and the Baptists didn't understand what he was preaching. What became Churches of Christ were never "unioned" with the Disciples-Christian churches at any time in recorded history. That doesn't prevent Anti-Christians from using the lie.

Carl Ketcherside Conformity or Diversity Chapter 5 of his Twisted Scriptures.
This is ignorance of Scripture which prophesied of the WAY that is called a SECT.  This is a NARROW ROAD or PATTERN which almost no one can find and enter. The Gate INTO Christ is Baptism and therefore false teachers HAVE NO RIGHT to hear the INVITATION or ELECTION by the Preached Word.

Our dear brother Carl passed away a few years ago, but Leroy is still with us and continues to proclaim reformation and unity. In simpler terms, Leroy is not the sectarian he once was. Carl died a non-sectarian. I, too, was once a member of their partisan pack, wrote articles in their publications, and dared anyone to defy the Church of Christ sect of which I promoted.

John, by the way, Carl spent a few years in Nevada, Missouri and with the congregation there.  When I was pulpiteering, I worked with the Nevada congregation as the elite minister on two different occasions during the 60s. I wonder if you were ever in in that part of Missouri?

In the late 50s and early 60, I pulpiteered for a congregation in Pt. Pleasant, W.Va. When the "Elders" found out that Dad and I attended one of Carl's meetings, I was "unfrocked" on the spot—wasn't even given a two-weeks notice. Ahhh, those experiences while enslaved by the "Pharaohs of Egypt!" It will never happen again.

No.    Alexander Campbell said that "No relation can be changed by believing, apart from the acts to which that belief, or faith, induces us" Martin Luther said the same thing, quoted below. I will shortly add direct quotes from the Christian Baptists and the Millennial Harbinger-- with honest links -- so you can judge Leroy's rewriting of the Bible and Restoration history.
(Alexander Campbell, "Reply to James Fishback No. I," MH, July 2, 1832)

Fishback posted in Stone's Christian Messenger

Here, then, is an issue made up fairly between what may be called the Baptist Reformers and myself. I desire to be fully understood upon this subject, and will state the principle, which I defend with proper limitations and qualifications. 

I maintain that it is the doctrine of the New Testament, 
        that God JUSTIFIES the Gentiles by faith alone,
        and that baptism has no more to do in PROCURING the remission of sins,
        or is no more the action through or by which sin is actually remitted,
        than any other work of faith is; 
        and I moreover assert, with a view of proving it beyond any reasonable doubt, by the word of God,
        that baptism is wholly misapprehended in its design and use as administered to the Gentiles,
       
when viewed as the reformers view it.

Moderator Approved: Buff Scott: "I now accept within the brotherhood of God many sinners who do not believe in Christ but who worship in paganism. In any case, which doctrine of Christ is authentic? Hundreds of teachers claim to offer His teaching, including the Metropolitan Community Church (homosexual), David Koresh, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and me.

The Doctrine of Christ is the Gospel of THE kingdom.  It is revealed when God put HIS WORDS into the MOUTH of the prophets (the Spirit parable).  Jesus made Holy Scripture in the Prophets and other prophecies CONCERNING Me.  Peter and other eye-- and ear-- witnesses left us a witness not to be further expounded.  However, those who call the Spirit of Christ a LIAR by rejecting baptism do not and CANNOT have A holy spirit or A good conscience which allows one to read BLACK TEXT on BROWN PAPER (2 Corinthians 3)

The Doctrine of Christ Once Delivered to the Saints

Buff Scott As for me, I intend to reform religion by telling people to defect from the New Testament teaching of one true Christ, one true baptism, and one true church as the only way of salvation from sin. If you wish to help finance defection from this teaching of Christ, contact me. Associate Pastor Buff Scott, Mountain View Christian Church, Phoenix, AZ.

He affirmed in debate many years ago that men can be saved "without becoming born-again believers in Christ" (Scott/ Pennock debate, Truth Magazine, January-March 1959)Resource

By definition Strong Delusions deprives such people of A holy spirit or A good conscience, consciousness or the ability to read BLACK text on BROWN paper.

Buff Scott Approved by Grace Center's Lee Wilson says: Acts 4:12 proves salvation without baptism

Acts 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders,
        which is become the head of the corner.
Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other:
        for there is none other name under heaven given among men,
        whereby we must be saved.

The eunuch was reading Isaiah where the Gospel is Preached and Baptism is commanded in Isaiah 1. When he understood about Jesus, He was a 'lost spirit" and wanted to be baptized:

Acts 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain WATER:
        and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest.
        And he answered and said,
        I believe that Jesus Christ is the SON of God

Buff Scott and those in control of Grace Centered Forum DENY that and MUST therefore reject Baptism which is NOT available to them.  That is because they CANNOT receive the Word which God hides from the Wise, sophists, speakers, singers or instrument players.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them,
        Repent, AND be baptized every one of you
        in the NAME of Jesus Christ FOR the remission of sins,
        and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
        [their "ONCE holy" spirit will be "washed from sin" and become A holy spirit]
Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children,
         and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Acts 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying,
        SAVE THYSELVES from this untoward generation.
Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his WORD were baptized:
        and the same day there were ADDED unto them about three thousand souls.
Acts 3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets,
        that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted,
        THAT YOUR SINS may be blotted out,
        when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Acts 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people.
        And the Lord added to THE CHURCH daily such as should be saved.
Acts 2:47ASV praising God, and having favor with all the people.
        And the Lord added to them day by day those that were [being] saved.
Acts 2 47BBE, WEB  praising God, and having favor with all the people.
        The Lord added to the assembly day by day those who were being saved.

Buff's evidence calls The Spirit (Isaiah 1), Jesus and Peter liars in
Acts 9:18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales:
        and he RECEIVED SIGHT forthwith,
        and arose, and was baptized.

Acts 9:17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
        and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus,
        that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me,
        that thou mightest receive thy sight,
        and be filled with the Holy Spirit.
Acts 9:18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales:
        and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.

Paul calls Buff Scott a Liar becauses he despises the message of Jesus which is BLASPHEMY

Acts 22:13 Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me,
        Brother Saul, receive thy sight.
        And the same hour I looked up upon him.
Acts 22:14 And he said,
        The God of our fathers hath chosen thee,
        that thou shouldest know his will,
        and see that Just One,
        and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
Acts 22:15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast SEEN and HEARD.

SPIRIT produces WORDS. 

John 6:63 It is the SPIRIT that quickeneth;
         the flesh profiteth nothing:
         the WORDS that I speak unto you,
         they are
SPIRIT, and they are life.

The Holy Spirit who appeared to Paul was the Spirit OF Jesus.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou?
        arise,
        and be baptized,
        and wash away thy sins,
       
calling on the name of the Lord.

Which is the only way to Call on the Name for A holy spirit washed OF sin.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other:
        for there is none other name under heaven given among men,
        whereby we must be saved.

The same Peter Buff the DEformer thinks might be confused by teaching what Jesus commanded Him to Preach said:

1Pet. 3:21 The like figure whereunto even BAPTISM DOTH ALSO SAVE US
        (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, [Jesus baptisms]
        but the REQUEST FOR a good conscience toward God,)
        by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Ephesians2.Rom6L.gif

The Trinity marks Blasphemy and AntiChrist.

MOSES. Israel fell into Instrumental and Trinitarian and Perverted Idolatry Because they refused to hear The Book of The Covenant of Grace based on the ONLY spiritual covenant made with Abraham promised blindness and deafness until, in the words of Jacob, Shiloh Comes.

Deut. 18:15 The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
Deut. 18:16 According to all that thou desiredst of the Lord thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
Deut. 18:17 And the Lord said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
Deut. 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

LUKE

Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A PROPHET
        shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me;
        him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
Acts 3:23 And it shall come to pass,
        that every soul, which will not hear that
PROPHET ,
        shall be destroyed from among the people.
Acts 3:24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow
        after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
Acts 3:25 Ye are the children of the prophets,
        and of the covenant which God made with our fathers,
        saying unto Abraham, And in thy SEED shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus,
        sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

God sent Jesus Mic. 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah,
        yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel;
        whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Going forth is 4163, mo-tsaw-aw´; feminine of 4161; a family descent
JESUS:
John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying,
        For a good work we stone thee not;
        but for BLASPHEMY;
        and because that thou, being a MAN MAKEST THYSELF GOD


John 10:36 Say ye of HIM,
        whom the Father hath SANCTIFIED,
        and SENT into the world,

        Thou BLASPHEMEST ; because I said, I AM THE SON OF GOD?
John 10:37 If I do not the works of MY Father, believe me not.
Num. 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Timothy silenced both male and female to permit DISCIPLES to learn the Truth, Word, Logos, Regulative Principle

1Tim. 2:5 For there is ONE GOD
        and one mediator between God and men,
        THE MAN CHRIST JESUS


Modern Trinitarians now say that God the Father came in the FLESH and used Jesus.

1John 4:3 And every spirit that
        confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God:
        and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come;
        and even now already is it in the world.

Rom. 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord,
        which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Rom. 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power,
         according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Jesus of Nazareth was neither Lord Nor Christ until 30 years after HE came in the flesh

Rev. 1:5 And from Jesus Christ,
        who is the faithful witness,
        and the first begotten of the dead,
        and the prince of the kings of the earth.
Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

John included in C. Leonard Allen Spirit Poured out.
When SPIRIT (breath) is poured out the result is God's WORD made Audible.

Texas: I would say that in the times of the New Testament they were inseparable.  However, the life long emphasis is on God's grace through our faith, not on baptism.  That seems to be a peculiarity of the CofC because it is a distinctive.  Much like SDA's with Saturday worship.  

Edward Fudge Death of a Distinctive
http://www.piney.com/Fudge.Death.Distinctive.html

Thank you very much!  However, Isaiah 1 by the Spirit OF Christ which means that God put HIS Words into the MOUTH of the Prophets to define the Genesis 49 prophesied Reign of SHILOH which means REST.  Whatever you want to do to self-exhibit just STOP IT.

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done,
        but according to his mercy he saved us,
        by the washing [baptism] of regeneration,
        and renewing of the Holy Spirit;
  OUR spirit needs REgenerating or REnewing.

The definition of Baptism and the FIRES for those who are in REBELLION in Isaiah 1 is parallel to what Jesus commanded in Mark 16.

John MacArthur might say: "It MIGHT be that Acts 2:38 means what it says.

Barclay Newman and Eugene Nida edited The Translator's Handbook On The Acts Of The Apostles. This book, published by the United Bible Societies, says on page 60: "So that your sins will be forgiven (literally 'into a forgiveness of your sins') in the Greek may express either purpose or result; but the large majority of translators understand it as indicating purpose. The phrase modifies both main verbs: turn away from your sins and be baptized." See David Padfield

"At the latter ceremony two disciples of the wise stood by to tell him more of the light and heavy commandments. When he came up after the immersion, those assembled addressed him saying: 'Unto whom has thou given thyself? blessed art thou, thou hast given thyself to God; the world was created for the sake of Israel, and only Israelites are called the children of God... After his baptism he was considered (reckoned to be dead and now alive) to be a new man, 'a little child newly born'; a new name was given him." (Int Std Bible Ency, Proselyte).

"The effect of this baptism was held to be complete regeneration; he was born anew. He was called a little child just born, the child of one day. All his sins were remitted because God cannot punish sins committed before he was born." (Barclay, William, Romans, p. 84

The eunuch understood Isaiah 53 and wanted to be baptized without being commanded.

Rom. 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written,
        How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace,
        and bring glad tidings of good things!
Rom. 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel.
        For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

The Spirit of Christ defined the future Assembly of Christ both inclusively and exclusively.  Jesus made that PATTERN certain and was baptized BEFORE He was Sanctified and Sent.

Isaiah.1.BaptismA.gif

Isaiah.1.BaptismB.gif

Isaiah.1.BaptismC.gif

BAPTISM IS THE MARK OF THOSE WHO CAN HEAR THE WORD: TO DENY IS TO DENY THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD AND JESUS.

Jesus said the same thing: Those who believeth not or Apistos are TREACHEROUS and cannot be baptized.

Rom. 10:16 But they have not all OBEYED the gospel.
        For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
2Th. 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God,
        and that OBEY not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Pet. 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin
        at the HOUSE of God: [laity or house excludes Priests or Levites, Preachers or Singers]
        and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?


GRACE CENTERED FORUMS
        Has a large number of forums where members of Churches of Christ are allowed to post as do other groups. However, those who post Scripture to debate those who follow the "scholarly" pattern of isolated verses are black listed.  A forum which permits questionable dogma which refutes groups such as Churches of Christ should not SILENCE those who understand that the Church of Christ (the Rock) as ekklesia or synagogue defines the ROLE of the called assemblies both inclusively and exclusively beginning with Jacob's Definition in Genesis 49 to exclude any LEVI Covenant or Assembly (synagogue) and wait for SHILOH.  God's grace was always available for those who believed in HIM and practiced social justice.

There is a resistance and judgmentalism against posting SCRIPTURE in context, definition of Words and ancient documents which support the Ekklesia or Assembly of Christ for SCHOOL on the REST day or FAMILY [laos] which excludes Priests or Levites or Scribes and Pharisees.  Jesus defines these as hypocrites which excludes performance speakers, singers or instrument players.

The "moderators" defend posts which slander godly people who refuse to conform to the culture or the claim of teachers who claim that a SPIRIT commanded them to assault others.

The Owner needs to rethink unlimited censoring power to those who do not tolerate the other side of the discussion.

THE GRACES AS TRIPPLE GODDESSES GIVING PLEASURE ALONG WITH THE MUSES AS APOLLON'S WORSHIP TEAM.

THE KHARITES (Charites) or Graces, were the three goddesses of grace, beauty, adornment, mirth, festivity, dance and song. A number of "younger Kharites" presided over the other pleasures of life, including play, amusement, banqueting, floral decoration, happiness, rest and relaxation.

The Kharites were attendants of the goddesses Aphrodite and Hera. One named Kharis, was the wife of Hephaistos. Another, Pasithea, was married to Hypnos (Sleep).

Hera.and.Satyriscus. The BEAST in Revelation. Shaken Reed upper left. 
Hēra  As Venus,  Zoe, Eve, Lucifer hērōs  2 between daimones and anthrōpoi,3. heroes, as objects of worship,
        
poikilos    ophisHes.Th.300 codd. (aiolon Sch.); “drakōn2. of Art, p. humnos a song of changeful strain or full of diverse art, Pi.O.6.87; “poikilon kitharizōnId.N.4.14; “dedaidalmenoi pseudesi poikilois muthoiId.O.1.29; of style, “lexis poiētikōtera kai p.Isoc.15.47 (Comp.); “skhēmatismoiD.H.Is.3.

Hera.and.Satyriscus.gif

JESUS APPEARED AS THE CHRISTIAN ANTITHESIS OF PAGAN GRACES


EPHESIANS 2 SALVATION BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith;
        and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Titus 2:11 For the [1] grace of God that bringeth salvation hath APPEARED to all men
Titus 2:12
        [2] Teaching us that, 

[3] denying ungodliness and worldly lusts,
[4] we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Titus 2:14
        [5] Who GAVE himself for us,
[6] that he might REDEEM us from all iniquity, [Lawlesness]
      Lutron REDEEM, Luo lavo , cleanse or wash, bathe,
      lave. 
louô, PURIFY, tina ek tôn hamartiôn 
[7] and PURIFY unto himself a peculiar people,
                zealous of good works.
Titus 3:4 But after that the kindness [benignitatem per se gratam]. GRACE as a LIVING BEING
        and love of God
        our Saviour toward man APPEARED,
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done,
        but according to his mercy he SAVED US,
             BY the WASHING OF regeneration,
             AND renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Titus 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
Titus 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

GRACE CENTERED DEMANDS ECUMENICISM

All founders of denominations claimed to be based on SCRIPTURE. That meant the Old and New Testament.
Those who have gained control of The Grace Centered Movement rejects God Who is the LOGOS or Regulative Principle and Jesus Who commanded that we teach and observe what HE commanded: that includes the Prophets and Apostles and Excludes Priests and Levites (Speakers and musicians).  The only personified SPIRITUS is Apollon leader of Musical Worship Teams known as LOCUSTS.
spīrĭtus
2. The breath of a god, inspiration: “haec fieri non possent, nisi ea uno divino et continuato spiritu continerentur,by a divine inspiration, Cic. N. D. 2, 7, 19; 3, 11, 28; cf.: “poëtam quasi divino quodam spiritu inflari,id. Arch. 8, 18.
II. Trop.  Sing.: “quoslibet occupat artus Spiritus,Ov. M. 15, 167; Tac. A. 16, 34: spiritum Phoebus [Apollon]  mihi, Phoebus artem Carminis dedit, poetic spirit or inspiration, Hor. C. 4, 6, 29; cf.
In-flo   B. In partic., to play upon a wind instrument: “inflare cavas cicutas,Lucr. 5, 1383: “calamos leves,Verg. E. 5, 2.— Absol., to blow: “simul inflavit tibicen, a perito carmen agnoscitur,Cic. Ac. 2, 27, 86.— With cognate acc.: “sonum,Cic. de Or. 3, 60, 225. —tumidis infla sermonibus utrem, Hor. S. 2, 5, 98
carmen   Incantation or sorcery a tune, song, air, lay, strain, note, sound, both vocal and instrumental
sc. Apollinem) concordant carmina nervis,
Cic. Arch. 8.18. but that a poet was such by the unassisted work of nature, and was moved by the vigour of his own mind, and was inspired, as it were, by some divine wrath. Wherefore rightly does our own great Ennius call poets holy; because they seem to be recommended to us by some especial gift, as it were, and liberality of the gods.

Hor. S. 2, 5, 98

Sweet tuner of the Grecian lyre,
Whose locks are laved in Xanthus' dews,
Blooming Agyieus! help, inspire
My Daunian Muse!

'Tis Phoebus, Phoebus gifts my tongue [Apollon]
With minstrel art and minstrel fires:
Come, noble youths and maidens sprung
From noble sires,

Blest in your Dian's guardian smile,
Whose shafts the flying silvans stay,
Come, foot the Lesbian measure, while
The lyre I play:
HOLY SPIRIT AS THIRD GOD
     
   Jesus the Comforter, Advocate, Paraclete, Redeemer, Rock, Word, Way, Vine, Truth,

HOLY SPIRIT POURED OUT AS A PERSON REPLACING FATHER AND SON'S WORD.
Testament of Levi   showing the understanding

Then shall the Lord raise up a new priest. And to him
all the WORDS of the Lord shall be revealed;
and he shall execute a righteous judgment upon the earth for a multitude of days.
And his star shall arise in heaven as of a king. Testament of Levi 5:13-15

And the knowledge of the Lord shall be POURED forth upon the earth,
as the water of the seas.
The heavens shall be opened, and
from the temple of glory shall come upon him sanctification,
with the Father's voice as from Abraham to Isaac.
And the glory of the Most High shall be uttered over him and
the SPIRIT OF and sanctification
shall rest upon him in the water. Testament of Levi 5:19,-22

And he shall open the gates of paradise,
and shall remove the
threatening sword against Adam,
and he shall give to the saints to eat from the tree of life,
and the
spirit of holiness shall be on them.
And Beliar shall be bound by him,
and he shall give power to his children to tread upon the evil spirits. Testament of Levi 5:26-27

The Views are common to Scripture
1 Thess. ii. 16 is a quotation of Test. Patr., Levi, 6:10;
Rom. 12:19 is taken from Gad, 6:10;
Rom. 12:21 is taken from Benjamin,
Rom. 6:3; II Cor. 12:10 is a quote from Gad, 5:7;
Ephes. 5:6 appeared first in Naphtali, 3:1.

THE DOVE AS PARABLE.

The dove, the chosen symbol of this deified queen, is commonly represented with an olive branch in her mouth (Fig 25),
When the goddess was thus represented as the Dove with the olive branch, there can be no doubt that the symbol had partly reference to the story of the flood; but there was much more in the symbol than a mere memorial of that great event. "A branch," as has been already proved, was the symbol of the deified son, and when the deified mother was represented as a Dove, what could the meaning of this representation be but just to identify her with the Spirit of all grace, that brooded, dove-like, over the deep at the creation; for in the sculptures at Nineveh, as we have seen, the wings and tail of the dove represented the third member of the idolatrous Assyrian trinity. In confirmation of this view, it must be stated that the Assyrian "JunoHislop 23

figure25.jpg

The Holy Spirit as a dove to refute Jesus being the DAUGHTER of a MOTHER..


TRINITY
as three separate persons with their own "center of consciousness" [spirit] but in communion
       Jesus identified BLASPHEMERS  
       John called ANTICHRISTS.
       Paul called JUDAIZERS

JUDAIZERS
        instrumental music,
Levites as "worship Leaders"
                Authority from Jewish HOLOCAUST of Goats and Infants.
       
T
ithes and Offerings, Priests as Pastors
                Based on the God-Abandoned Monarchy
Messianic Judaizers are Jews who in Jesus as the MESSIAS but not the Chriist of Christians They refuse to accept the truth that the New Testament had replaced the Old as the law and guide for God’s people. They taught that Gentiles must be circumcised and keep the Law of Moses in order to be saved
REJECT THE ABRAHAMIC COVENANT WHICH WAS NEVER REPLACED BY THE LAW ADDED AS A CURSE.       
Gen. 49:9 Judah is a lion’s whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up?
Hos. 5:14 For I will be unto Ephraim as a lion, and as a young lion to the house of Judah: I, even I, will tear and go away; I will take away, and none shall rescue him.
Rev. 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not:
        behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda,
        the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

GREEK, EGYPTIAN, CANAANITE, BABYLONIAN WORSHIP PRACTICES

CALVINISTS

FAITH ONLY
       
Refutes prophecy of baptism by the Spirit OF Christ in the Prophets
        Refutes the PURPOSE for Jesus' Baptism
        Refutes the Commands of Jesus
        Refutes the Apostles.

ANTI-LOGOS OR REGULATIVE PRINCIPLE

REJECTS SCRIPTURE
       
All posts based on out of context phrases
        Rejects posts of Bible Context


ANTI-HISTORICAL
      
  Informed by history-based concensus [councils] based on CULTURE
                But ignorant of real Church Scholars. Refuses to like to original sources.
        Restoration Roots


Those who have grasped control and the Jews say that and because that thou, being a man, MAKESTS THYSELF GOD .  John 10:33


Jesus who was neither Lord Nor Christ until 30 years after he came into the world said:

John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the FATHER hath sanctified, and sent into the world,
        Thou blasphemest; because I said, I AM THE SON OF GOD?

Their Source Leonard Allen and LU say:

It was through this anointing BY  the Spirit that Jesus,
        the eternal Son of God, became the “Christ” (anointed one)
        and received empowerment for his messianic mission.


Scripture says That Jesus came in the flesh and became Lord and Christ 30 years later.:


Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly,
        that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified,
        both Lord and Christ.

Acts 10:38 How GOD ANOINTED Jesus of Nazareth with
        the Holy Ghost
        and with power:
                who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him


Those in control say that Jehovah the Lord God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob appeared in a body of FLESH.

Scripture says: 2John 7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess NOT that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a DECEIVER and an ANTICHRIST.

Genesis begins as a PARABLE where Eve is Venus, Zoe or Lucifer.  The Beginning Babylon Mother has emerged on time in Revelation 17 where she uses "lusted after fruits" as speakers, singers, instruments and the piping sound of the millstone locates the prostitute always part of SELF-EXHIBITION religious cunning craftsmen.

Matt. 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them;
        The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven,
        which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal,
        till the whole was leavened.

The kingdom of heaven does not come with observation meaning Religious Observations. The WAY that is called a SECT is a road or pattern which fools cannot even stumble onto.

Matt. 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables;
        and without a parable spake he not unto them:
Matt. 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet,
        saying, I will open my mouth in parables;
        I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

Matt. 13:36 Then Jesus sent the MULTITUDES away, and went into the house:
        and his disciples came unto him, saying,
        Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
Matt. 13:37 He answered and said unto them,
        He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Matt. 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom;
        but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Matt. 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil;
        the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

The Baptism of SPIRIT (wind) and FIRE for the RACE OF VIPERS not able to be baptized.

Matt. 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire;
         so shall it be in the end of this world.
Matt. 13:41 The SON OF MAN shall send forth his angels,
        and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend,
        and them which do iniquity; [lawless OR Grace-Centered]
Matt. 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there
shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Matt. 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
 THE MARK OF POLYTHEISM DENYING THAT THERE IS ONE GOD AND ONE MEDIATOR, THE MAN JESUS CHRIST.


3.Graces.Ugliness.gif
3.graces.gif

THE KHARITES (Charites) or Graces, were the three goddesses of grace, beauty, adornment, mirth, festivity, dance and song. A number of "younger Kharites" presided over the other pleasures of life, including play, amusement, banqueting, floral decoration, happiness, rest and relaxation.

The Kharites were attendants of the goddesses Aphrodite and Hera. One named Kharis, was the wife of Hephaistos. Another, Pasithea, was married to Hypnos (Sleep).

The three Kharites were usually depicted in classical sculpture and mosaic as three naked women, holding hands and dancing in a circle. They were sometimes crowned with myrtle and held sprigs of myrtle in their hands.

In Greek vase painting a bevy of younger Kharis personifications form the retinue of Aphrodite.

Aphrodites is  Aphroditês ,  Sexual love, a womans form of oath, vehement longing or desire, hedonism, pleasure (outlawed in Romans 15), Chrar, Grace, Aster or Venus or ZOE.  Tormentor to mortals, a spiteful, lazy Goddess. She calls assemblies in the Agora.
Astêr ,  metaph. of illustrious persons,  Mousaôn astera kai Charitôn
Charis or Grace is this sense speaks of 4. love-charm, philtre, 2. esp. in erotic sense, of favours granted (v. charizomai 1.3 ), V. daimonôn charis homage due to them, their worship, majesty,  charites aphrodisiôn erôtôn
Mousaôn thugateres   [Daughter whatever the ses] clanging brass, Lyre and singing.

Sophocles, Antigone    Chorus [791] You seize the minds of just men and drag them to injustice, to their ruin. You it is who have incited this conflict of men whose flesh and blood are one. [795] But victory belongs to radiant Desire swelling from the eyes of the sweet-bedded bride. Desire sits enthroned in power beside the mighty laws. [800] For in all this divine Aphroditeplays her irresistible game.

Commentary [800] empaizei, 'wreaks her will' in that contest which nikai implies. choroisin empaizei, 'sports in dances.', i.e. by their agency: or (b) 'on her victim.' But the interpretation first given appears simpler. (Cp. Vergil's absol. use of illudere, G. 1. 181, Tum variae illudant pestes.) 


Effeminate musical "worship" and the trinity of three persons is based on FEMINISTS THEOLOGY in most churches near you.
 
From Wikipedia, The Triple Deity is common throughout world mythology with many mythical associations. As the goddess associated with the number three she is regarded as the threefold, tripled, triplicate, tripartite, triune, triadic, or as a trinity. The Triple Goddess in mythological art and religious iconography is always represented as a group, as a triad, or perhaps a single deity with three aspects. It was pointed out that the ancient pagan world often believed in a triumverate of three divine women called sometimes the Fates, sometimes the Graces, with the original single earth goddess honoured in three roles of maiden, mother, and crone (Harrison, 1903)

Hislop Note I, p. 77  What could ever have induced mankind to think of calling the great Goddess-mother, or mother of gods and men, a House or Habitation? The answer is evidently to be found in a statement made in Gen. ii. 21, in regard to the formation of the mother of mankind: "And the Lord caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept, and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof. And the rib which the Lord God had taken from man, made (margin, literally BUILDED ) he into a woman." That this history of the rib was well known to the Babylonians, is manifest from one of the names given to their primeval goddess, as found in Berosus (lib. i. p. 50).  http://www.piney.com/Enuma5.html

* From "Am," "mother," and "arka," "earth." The first letter aleph in both of these words is often pronounced as o. Thus the pronunciation of a in Am, "mother," is seen in the Greek a "shoulder." Am, "mother," comes from am, "to support," and from am, pronounced om, comes the shoulder that bears burdens. Hence also the name Oma, as one of the names of Bona Des. Oma is evidently the "Mother."

H6763 tsêlâ‛ tsal‛âh tsay-law', tsal-aw'  (of the body) or figuratively (of a door, that is, leaf); hence a side, literally (of a person) or figuratively (of an object or the sky, that is, quarter); arcitecturally a timber (especially floor or ceiling) or plank (single or collectively, that is, a flooring):—beem, board, chamber, corner, leaf, plank, rib, side (chamber).

THE BIBLE DEFINITION OF THE ELECT BUT NOT PERMITTED BY A CALVINIST-JEWISH ATTACK AGAINST THE HISTORIC CHURCH OF CHRIST DEFINED IN THE WILDERNESS AND NEVER CHANGED.

Isaiah.49.Preserved.RemnantA.gif

http://www.piney.com/Engedi-Ministries.html


Isaiah prophesied of a TINY remnant and then to the Gentiles.  That small remnant of PREDESTINIED or "the goal set out that they would be CONFORMED to Christ: not to go to heaven or hell.

Rom. 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid.
        For I also am an Israelite, of the SEED of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom. 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. 
        [God knew the tiny remnant BEFORE]
        Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias?
        how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom. 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets,
        and digged down thine altars;
        and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom. 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him?
        I have RESERVED to myself seven thousand men,
        who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

G2641.  kataleipo, kat-al-i´-po; from 2596 and 3007; to leave down, i.e. behind; by implication, to abandon, have remaining: — forsake, leave, reserve.

Rom. 11:5 Even so then at this PRESENT TIME
          also there IS A REMNANT
          according to the ELECTION of grace.
Rom. 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works:
         otherwise grace is no more grace. [The Law of Moses which no one could keep]
         But if it be of works, then is it no more grace:
         otherwise work is no more work.

This Seven Thousand had been converted before the city was destroyed.

Acts 4:4 Howbeit many of them which heard the word believed;
        and the number of the men was about five thousand.

Only Jews who God KNEW BEFORE were preserved as an ELECT REMNANT who existed at the PRESENT TIME.

A Christ--Centered Church teaches and observes what Jesus commanded to be taught. A Christian is a Disciple and a Disciple is a STUDENT.  Students do not attend "theaters for holy entertainment" in the group they infiltrated and diverted.
--skholas-tērion , to, A. place for passing leisurein, Plu.Luc.42, Moschio ap.Ath.5.207e.

Plu.Luc.42, In these ways, then, Lucullus used his wealth wantonly, as though it were in very truth a Barbarian prisoner-of-war.  42. But what he did in the establishment of a library deserves warm praise. He got together many books, and they were well written, and his use of them was more honourable to him than his acquisition of them. His libraries were thrown open to all, and the cloisters surrounding them, and the study-rooms, were accessible without restriction to the Greeks, who constantly repaired thither as to an hostelry of the Muses, and spent the day with one another, in glad escape from their other occupations.

-skholē , , A.leisure, rest, ease, Pi.N.10.46, Hdt.3.134, etc.; OPPOSITE. Askholia, Arist.Pol.1334a15, etc.; skholēn agein to be at leisure, enjoy ease, keep quiet, Hdt. l.c., E.Med.1238, Th.5.29; epi tini for a thing, Pl.Ap.36d; “peri ti
II. that in which leisure is employed, ou kamnō skholē I am not weary of talk, Id.Ion 276; esp. learned discussion, disputation, lecture, Pl.Lg.820c (pl.),
2. a group to whom lectures were given, school, Arist.Pol.1313b3, Phld.Ind.Sto.10, D.H.Isoc.1, Dem.44, Plu.Per.35, Alex.7, etc.; s. ekhein to keep a school, Arr.Epict. 3.21.11; skholēs hēgeisthai to be master of it
THE ONLY RESOURCE IS THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN FOR OUR LEARNING--PROPHETS REVEALED BY JESUS AND THE APOSTLES
THE ONLY THING ALLOWED IS READ OR SPEAK WITHOUT PRIVATE INTERPRETATION OR FURTHER EXPOUNDING OR SELLING

Thuc. 1.70 [8] This is the lifelong task, full of danger and toil,
        which they are always imposing upon themselves.
        None enjoy their good things less, because they are always seeking for more.
        To do their duty is their only holiday, and they deem the quiet of inaction
                to be as disagreeable as the most tiresome [askholian] business. [epipon-os , on, ] [9]
                If a man should say of them, in a word,
                        that they were born neither to have peace themselves
                        nor to allow peace to other men, he would simply speak the truth.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh,
        and dwelt among us,
        (and we beheld his glory,
        the glory as of the ONLY BEGOTTEN of the Father,)
        FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH
John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
Col. 1:5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven,
        whereof ye heard before in the WORD of the TRUTH of the GOSPEL;
2Tim. 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God,
        a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
        rightly dividing the word of truth.
James 1:18 Of his own will BEGAT he us with the WORD OF TRUTH
        that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
Eph. 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation,
        and the sword of the SPIRIT, which is the WORD of God:
2John 3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace,
        from God the Father,
        AND
        from the Lord Jesus Christ,
                the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

Grace Centereds insist that Jesus was GOD THE FATHER IN THE FLESH even when Jesus warned the Jewish Clergy that they were BLASPHEMING.

ACAPPELLA is the RACA word used to spread hate among those who have obeyed the command AGAINST "vocal or instrumental rejoicing" for The Church of Christ (the Rock not Jesus) Commanded by Jacob in Genesis 49 and organized AND SEPARATED by Moses after the Instrumental and Sexual Play at Mount Sinai.

PSALLO used by Paul is in the heart or SILENT to ENABLE Speaking the Bible Text.
So my HEART laments for Moab like a flute;
           it laments like a flute for the men of Kir Hareseth.
          The wealth they acquired is gone. Je.48:36

My HEART laments for Moab like a harp,
           my inmost being for Kir Hareseth. Is.16:11
And my SPIRIT hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.Lu.1:47
         Therefore did my HEART rejoice, and my tongue was glad;
          moreover also my FLESH
shall rest in hope: Ac.2:26


In that hour Jesus rejoiced in SPIRIT, and said,
        I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth,
        that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent,
        and hast revealed them unto babes: even so,
        Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight. Lu.10:21

sophos ,
A.skilled in any handicraft or art, clever mostly of poets and musicians
    en kithara s [GUITAR PLAYERS]      
        MANTIS
  Sibulla:— [soothsayer, Sorcers, diviner, seer, of Apollon and Cassandra
        of the Pythian priestess [healed by Paul]
        II. a kind of grasshopper, the praying mantis, Mantis religiosa, Theoc.10.18, II. a kind of grasshopper,
         LOCUSTS  the praying mantis, Mantis religiosa, Theoc.10.18, choir, band of dancers and singers

--Pl. Cur. 2.1 Plautus, Curculio
CAPPADOX My spleen is killing me, my reins are in torment, my lungs are being torn asunder, my liver is being tortured, my heart-strings are giving way, all my intestines are in pain.


--Eur. Hec. 216 Hecuba
Alas! a dreadful trial is near, it seems, [230] full of mourning, rich in tears. Yes, I too escaped death where death had been my due, and Zeus did not destroy me but is still preserving my life, that I may witness in my misery fresh sorrows surpassing all before. But if the bond may ask the free of things that do not GRIEVE them or WRENCH their heart-strings, you ought to speak in answer to my questions and I ought to hear what you have to say.

Vocal or Instrumental Psallo explains why Paul said KEEP PSALLO SILENT.

 

Psallō IN THE HEART or SILENT simply means to SMITE a string (bow) with the FINGERS but not with the PLECTRUM to make a TWANGING sound.  The Psallō in the Bible has no musical component but speaks of the senior leaders plucking a lyre to seduce a younger male whose pubic hairs had been PLUCKED.


Vocal or Instrumental Psallo is NOT Psallō IN THE HEART or SILENT.  The Key factor in the Christian Assembly is that both male and female remain silent "so that we might all come to a knowledge of THE TRUTH or the Word of God.
Lexis.Ode.gif
Religious Music was performed by WOMEN or EFFEMINATE Males.  They both thought that their condition and public persona proved that they spoke for the "gods."  Paul then rebuffs all mediators in song and sermon but the READER because:

1Tim. 2:5 For there is ONE GOD
        and one mediator between God and men,
        the MAN Christ Jesus;

Paul prevents and outbreak of WRATH or an ORGY

The Evil Psallo  I. In gen., to play upon a stringed instrument; esp., to play upon the cithara, to sing to the cithara: “psallere saltare elegantius,Sall. C. 25, 2  canituri,”  SING and cantare marked as SORCERY.    saltare et cantare; Cic. Catil. 2.10.23   Suet. Tit. 3

Saltatio   Dancing was originally closely connected with religion. Plato thought all dancing should be based on religion, as it was, he says, among the Egyptians. It has been shown under Chorus that the chorus in the oldest times consisted of the whole population of a city, who met in a public place to offer up thanksgivings to the god of their country by singing hymns and performing dances. These dances, which, like all others, were accompanied by music, 

David's Dirty Dancing with the Camp following girls PATTERN

Phallic.Cross.Ephod.gif

In that regard, epic's position is parallel to that of rhetoric. Beginning with Aristotle's Rhetorica (1404a), critics of rhetorical performance have ascribed to lively delivery the same effect as that of acting. There is a persistent association between theatrics, bad rhetoric and effeminacy.

Rhetoric was forever at pains to disentangle itself from unwanted associations with female deception and histrionic art, because it was viewed as the art of socially weak women and slaves,and rhetoricians of all ages have assiduously fought against any trace of bodily and vocal practice associated with these groups.

However, from the examples that I have just used, it is evident, I believe, which art of music I consider appropriate in the training of the orator and to what extent.

Nevertheless, I think that I need to be more explicit in stating that the music which I prescribe is not the modern music which has been emasculated by the lascivious melodies of the effeminate stage and has to no small extent destroyed the amount of manly vigor that we still possessed.

I refer rather to the music of old with which people used to sing the praises of brave men and which the brave themselves used to sing. 

But this fact does not justify degeneration into sing-song or the effeminate modulations now in vogue. There is an excellent saying on this point attributed to Gaius Caesar while he was still a boy:

"If you are singing, you sing badly; if you are reading, you sing."


The Evil Psallo psallere saltare   ēlĕgans   I. In the ante-class. period in a bad sense, luxurious, effeminate, fastidious, nice: elegans homo non dicebatur cum laude “mulier (Phrynewith formosa),

saltātor , ōris, m. salto,
I.a dancer (generally among the Romans with an accessory contemptuous signif.), Cic. Off. 1, 42, 150; id. Mur. 6, 13; id. Deiot. 10, 28; id. Fin. 3, 7, 24; Quint. 1, 12, 14; 11, 3, 89; Suet. Calig. 54; id. Ner. 6; Macr. S. 2, 10 al.

--saltātĭo , ōnis, f. id.,
I. a dancing; concr., a dance, Quint. 1, 11, 18 sq.; 2, 18, 1; Scipio Afric. ap. Macr. S. 2, 10: “multarum deliciarum comes est extrema saltatio,Cic. Mur. 6, 13; id. Brut. 62, 225; id. Fin. 3, 7, 24; Quint. 11, 3, 128; Suet. Tit. 7 al.Plur., Plaut. Stich. 5, 2, 11.
--dēlĭcĭae , ārum, f. (sing. dēlĭcĭa , ae, f.; [delicio; that which allures, flatters the senses], delight, pleasure, charm, allurement; deliciousness, luxuriousness, voluptuousness, curiosities of art; sport, frolics, etc. (freq. and class.; for syn. cf.: voluptas, libido, delectatio, oblectatio, delectamentum, oblectamentum).
E-lēgo , āvi, 1, v. a.,
I.to convey away (from the family) by bequest, to bequeath away, Petr. 43, 5; Gai. Inst. 2, 215.
Girardian Reflections on the Lectionary:
5.4.2
Behind the anthropological predilections against the victim's perspective, there is a very practical, quasi-historical reason: namely, the victim is shunned and often killed. In the ancient world, the role of music during ritual sacrifice was often to drown out any cries from the victim. (45) It is crucial that the victim not be heard. The practical mechanics of making victims means that it is unusual for the victim's perspective to survive. In the world of ancient ritual it was probably impossible.


45. The Greek verb myo means to close the mouth or shut the eyes. There is debate about whether myo plays a crucial role in the etymology of other significant words such as myth, mystery, and even music. These etymologies make sense within the Girardian hypotheses.
          Myth means to close ourselves to the victim
                and tell the tale according to the perpetrator's perspective;
          mystery cults are based on the silence of the victims; music derives from drowning out
          the voice of the victim

5.5 In general, then, the survival of the victim's perspective is highly unusual as a historical phenomenon -- until more recent history, that is, when the victim's perspective has finally established a beachhead in Western culture, namely, the cultures most often in closest contact with the Gospel (more on this below). (And it must be emphasized that the close contact is in the category of being an accident of history and not by any meritorious claims for Western culture. In short, the perspective of the victim has established a place in Western culture not because of any inherent merit in Western culture but because of the historical accident of being in close proximity to the Gospel over a long period of time.)

mŭlĭer , II. Transf., as a term of reproach, a woman, i. e. a coward, poltroon: “non me arbitratur militem, sed mulierem,Plaut. Bacch. 4, 8, 4.

Cic. Catil. 2.10.23 In these bands are all the gamblers,
        all the adulterers, all the unclean and shameless citizens.
        These boys, so witty and delicate,
        have learnt not only to love and to be loved,
            not only to sing and to dance,
            but also to brandish daggers and to administer poisons;
       and unless they are driven out,
       unless they die, even should Catiline die, 
       I warn you that the school of Catiline would exist in the republic.
But what do those wretches want? Are they going to take their wives with them to the camp? how can they do without them, especially in these nights? and how will they endure the Apennines, and these frosts, and this snow?
      unless they think that they will bear the winter more easily
      because they have been in the habit of dancing naked at their feasts. O
war much to be dreaded, when Catiline is going to have his bodyguard of prostitutes!

Suet. Tit. 3 While yet a boy, he was remarkable for his noble endowments both of body and mind; and as he advanced in years, they became still more conspicuous.
        He had a fine person, combining an equal mixture of majesty and grace;
        was very strong, though not tall, and somewhat corpulent.
Gifted with an excellent memory, and a capacity for all the arts of peace and war; he was a perfect master of the use of arms and riding; very ready in the Latin and Greek tongues,
        both in verse and prose; and such was the facility he possessed in both,
        that he would harangue and VERSIFY extempore.
        Nor was he unacquainted with MUSIC,
                but could both SING and PLAY upon the HARP sweetly and scientifically.
        I have likewise been informed by many persons,
                that he was remarkably quick in writing short-hand,
                would in merriment and jest engage with his secretaries
                in the imitation of any hand-writing he saw, and often say, "
                that he was admirably qualified for forgery."

The Evil Psallo includes: Phrȳ , ēs, f., = Phrunē.
I. A celebrated hetœra in Athens, so wealthy that she offered to rebuild the city of Thebes after it had been destroyed by Alexander: “nec quae deletas potuit componere Thebas Phryne,Prop. 2, 6, 6; cf. Quint. 2, 15, 9; Val. Max. 4, 3, ext. 3.—
II. A Roman courtesan, Hor. Epod. 14, 16.—
Quint. Inst. 2 15.9 So also according to general opinion Phryne was saved not by the eloquence of Hyperides, admirable as it was, but by the sight of her exquisite body, which she further revealed by drawing aside her tunic. And if all these have power to persuade, the end of oratory, which we are discussing, cannot adequately be defined as persuasion.

componere   Plin. praef. § 25: carmen,Cic. Mur. 12, 26: “carmina,Tac. Or. 12; id. A. 3, 49: “epistulasblanditias tremulā voce,T

2. In a bad sense, soft, effeminate, unmanly, weak (syn. effeminatus): “philosophus tam mollis, tam languidus, tam enervatus,Cic. de Or. 1, 52, 226: “Sabaei,Verg. G. 1, 57: “viri molles, i. e. pathici,Liv. 33, 28; Sen. Ep. 87: “disciplina,effeminate,
III. A procuress, Tib. 2, 6, 45.

The Evil Psallo includes:  căno , cĕcĭni, cantum (ancient I.imp. cante = canite, “once canituri,Vulg. Apoc. 8, 13), 3, v. n. and a. [cf. kanassō, kanakhē, konabos; Germ. Hahn; Engl. chanticleer; kuknos, ciconice; Sanscr. kōkas = DUCK; A. With carmen, cantilenam, versus, verba, etc., to sing, play, rehearse, recite
Rev. 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded,
        and the third part of the sun was smitten,
        and the third part of the moon,
        and the third part of the stars;
        so as the third part of them was darkened,
        and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.
Rev. 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven,
        saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe,
        to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of
        the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels,
        which are yet to sound!
ka^na^kh-ē , Dor. -Kha, , (kanassō) Od.6.82; odontōn men k. pele gnashing of teeth, Il.19.365, Hes.Sc.164:
k. aulōn sound of flutes, Pi.P.10.39 (pl.), B.2.12, cf. S.Tr.642 (lyr.); of the lyre, h.Ap.185.
ka^na^kh-eō , a Verb expressing various sounds, kanakhēse de Khalkos
A.r ang, clashed, Od.19.469; kanakhousi pēgai plash, Cratin.186; kanakhōn holophōnos alektōr crowing, ., k. melos to let a song ring loud, A.R.4.907.

CLANGING BRASS
khalkos    “sidēros de kai kh. polemōn organaPl.Lg.956a  SUITABLE FOR OFFERINGS IN TEMPLES OR ANATHEMA
organon , to, (ergon, erdō) A.instrument, implement, tool, for making or doing a thing,
3. musical instrument, Simon.31, f.l. in A.Fr.57.1 ; ho men di' organōn ekēlei anthrōpous, of Marsyas, Pl.Smp.215c ; aneu organōn psilois logois ibid., cf. Plt.268b ; “o. polukhordaId.R.399c, al.; “met' ōdēs kai tinōn organōnPhld.Mus.p.98K.; of the pipe, Melanipp.2, Telest.1.2.
Sal. Cat. 25 In the number of those ladies was Sempronia, a woman who had committed many crimes with the spirit of a man. In birth and beauty, in her husband and her children, she was extremely fortunate;
        she was skilled in Greek and Roman literature;
        she could sing, play, and dance, *
        with greater elegance than became a woman of virtue,
and possessed many other accomplishments that tend to excite the passions. But nothing was ever less valued by her than honor or chastity. Whether she was more prodigal of her money or her reputation, it would have been difficult to decide. Her desires were so ardent that she oftener made advances to the other sex than waited for solicitation. She had frequently, before this period, forfeited her word, forsworn debts, been privy to murder, and hurried into the utmost excesses by her extravagance and poverty. But her abilities were by no means despicable; she could compose verses, jest, and join in conversation either modest, tender, or licentious. In a word, she was distinguished by much refinement of wit, and much grace of expression.

* Sing, play, and dance] “Psallere, saltare.” As psallo signifies both to play on a musical instrument,  
  and to sing to it while playing, I have thought it necessary to give both senses in the translation.

However  Psallō.   used in Scripture does NOT include plucking a harp to make music.

Even the Vocal or Instrumental Psallo  II. In partic., in ecclestiacal Latin, to sing the Psalms of David, Hier. Ep. 107, 10; Aug. in Psa. 46; 65; Vulg. 1 Cor. 14, 15

Everyone in Corinth wanted to speak their own sermons and sing their own songs. They wanted to speak in their own tongue or MINOR DIALECT while most in Corinth could understand Koine Greek. Unless there was someone to translate they should keep silent.

1Cor. 14:15 What is it then?
        I will pray WITH the spirit,
        and I will pray WITH the understanding also:
        I will sing WITH the spirit,
        and I will sing WITH the understanding also.

SPEAKING connected to TONGUES includes Playing Musical Instrument.





You may comment without being muzzled here.

Mere Nick (Masked Man)  I was trying to get a straight answer from Kenneth Sublett about what he thought should and shouldn't happen with the church meets.  It appears that he was of the view that there should be no preaching or singing.  Does that sum it up?

Mere Nick wants a yes or no answer but I posted what God who breathed as the Spirit OF Christ had Isaiah say. The Spirit of Christ spoke in long messages and Paul said that those who were not converted or baptized into Christ could not READ the Word nor HEAR it when the command to PREACH it by READING it took place.

Mocking.Jesus.Full.gif

Luke 18:31 Then he took unto him the TWELVE, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem,
        and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

Jesus defines "Holy Scripture" as the Prophets and other prophecies concerning HIM.

Eph. 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph. 2:20 And are built upon [EDUCATED] the foundation of the apostles and prophets,
        Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

That IS the Regulative Principle!!!

Luke 18:32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles,
        and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:

Paizo dance, play a game,  4. play on a musical instrument, h.Ap.206: c. acc., Pan ho kalamo phthongapaizôn [played on a reed] Ar.Ra.230 ; dance and sing, Pi. O.1.16. 5. play amorously, prosallêlous X.Smp.9.2 

Xen. Sym. 9.2 “Gentlemen, Ariadne will now enter the chamber set apart for her and Dionysus; after that, Dionysus, a little flushed with wine drunk at a banquet of the gods, will come to join her; and then they will disport themselves together.”
Xen. Sym. 9.3 Then, to start proceedings, in came Ariadne, apparelled as a bride, and took her seat in the chair. Dionysus being still invisible, there was heard the Bacchic music played on a flute. Then it was that the assemblage was filled with admiration of the dancing master. For as soon as Ariadne heard the strain, her action was such that every one might have perceived her joy at the sound; and although she did not go to meet Dionysus, nor even rise, yet it was clear that she kept her composure with difficulty.

5195. hubrizo, hoo-brid´-zo; from 5196; to exercise violence, i.e. abuse: — use despitefully, reproach, entreat shamefully (spitefully).

5196. u¢briß hubris, hoo´-bris; from 5228; insolence (as over-bearing), i.e. insult, injury: — harm, hurt, reproach.
herpeton   II.creeping thing, reptile, esp. snake, kinad-os , eos, hence, cunning rogue, dog, catamite.
 epi-triptos    thērion, psōmo-kolax , a^kos, ho, A.flatterer for morsels of bread, parasite
        2. nun e. kai kateaguia mousikē the disreputable and effeminatemusic of to-day, oulomenos
                II.ruined, lost: hence, unhappy, wretched: pharmakon preachers, singers,
                instrument players SORCERERS to be cast alive int the lake of fire.
thērion The Beast is a new style of music or drama including satyric dramas. THE MARK of the  beast is to PLAY or mock Jesus
Serpo  II. Trop., to creep, crawl; to extend gradually or imperceptibly; to spread abroad, increase, prevail (a favorite trope of Cic.): occulto
Of a low, grovelling poetic style: “(poëta) Serpit humi tutus,crawls along the earth, Hor. A. P. 28 (cf.: “sermones Repentes per humum,
sapor,Verg. G. 3, 397: b. Of persons, close, reserved, secret, not opendissembling his hate,

canam, qui leniter ... placidis per vada serpis aquis,creepest, windest along,
occŭlo (obc- ) In partic., to cover up, hide, conceal
puncta argumentorum,Cic. de Or. 2, 41, 77: “narratum ab iis,to keep secret, conceal, Tac. A. 3, 16:
occulta conjurationis retexere,id. ib. 15, 74: “occulta cordis,Vulg. 1 Cor. 14, 25:
Săpor , 1. Of style: “vernaculus,” i.e. taste, elegance, Cic. Brut. 46, 172; Arn. 3, p. 108: “Atticus,Quint. 12, 10, 75; cf. id. 6, 4, 107: “sermo non publici saporis,of uncommon elegance, Petr. 3, 1

God is WORD in the same sense that He is LIGHT and all available qualities.  The Word is the Logos and is defined as the Regulative Principle well known to anyone who has ever heard Jesus as the PATTERN saying that He only spoke what the Father breathed into without METRON or meter.

This was removed as a statement of the Spirit of Christ Who is accused of being a blowhard.
Max Moon affirms what all scholars and artists knew::  My basic point is the CofC "instrumental music is sinful" Specific authority/Generic authority arguments have always been absolutely asinine.   Piney is just taking it to the extreme.

As for "preachers" there is no role and no dole. A preacher or Kerusso is a HERALD and he takes the news from one to another and gets hurt if he changes it.  Better let God as the Spirit OF Christ in the prophets answer that: if reading this is too hard then you are excused for despising the HOLY SPIRIT OF CHRIST.

Isa 8:19 And when they shall say unto you,
        Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, [Witch of Endor, empty, dry wineskin or Nebel]
        and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter:
                should not a people seek unto their God?
                for the living to the dead?

Latin [19] et cum dixerint ad vos quaerite a pythonibus et a divinis qui stridunt in incantationibus suis numquid non populus a Deo suo requirit pro vivis a mortuis

Phython The Serpent near Delphi by Apollon, Paul cast out the Pythian spirit from the little girls. Jesus promises to be with the twos and three so that we can learn of Him: why would anyone want to engage is what is always defined as sorcery to make Jesus dumb before the slaughter.

-strīdo  to make a shrill noise, sound harshly, creak, hiss, grate, whiz, whistle, rattle, buzz: stridentia tinguunt Aera lacu, V.: cruor stridit, hisses, O.: belua Lernae Horrendum stridens, V.: horrendā nocte (striges), O.: mare refluentibus undis, V.: aquilone rudentes, O.: videres Stridere secretā aure susurros, buzz, H.

H7442 rânan raw-nan' A primitive root; properly to creak (or emit a stridulous sound), 2. tremulous sound of a mast or pole "Shaken by the wind" also the sound of a torrent. Vibrate the voice TRILL which is the WOMEN'S sound of Halal above.

-cantus , ūs, m. id., 2. With instruments, a playing, music: “in nervorum vocumque cantibus,Cic. Tusc. 1, 2, 4; id. Rosc. Am. 46, 134: “citharae,Hor. C. 3, 1, 20: “horribili stridebat tibia cantu,Cat. 64, 264: “querulae tibiae,Hor. C. 3, 7, 30:
B. An incantation, charm, magic song, etc.: cantusque artesque magorum. Ov. M. 7, 195; 7, 201: “at cantu commotae Erebi de sedibus imis Umbrae ibant,Verg. G. 4, 471: “magici,
-pŏētĭcus , a, um, adj., = poiētikos,
I.poetic, poetical: “verbum,Cic. de Or. 3, 38, 153: “non poëtico sed quodam oratorio numero et modo,id. ib. 1, 33, 151: “di,represented by the poets,

The familiar spirit is a dry, empty wineskin. It serves as the echo chamber of the nebel which means 'VILE.' It has the same meaning as the harp and the sounding gongs in 1 Cor. 13.

All Jews and Most christians who follow the PATTERN worship DEATH and HELL.  Paul quoted from Isaiah 28 when equating speaking in tongues to playing instruments always proof that people will not or cannot hear the WORD.

Is. 28:15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement;
        when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us:
        for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
Is. 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold,
        I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation:
        he that believeth shall not make haste.
Is. 28:17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
Is. 28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled,
        and your agreement with hell shall not stand;
        when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.


Behold, the name of the Lord comes after a long time, 

        burning wrath; the word of his lips is with glory, a word full of anger
        and the
anger of his wrath shall devour as fire. Isaiah 30:27 LXX

And his breath, as rushing water in a valley, reach reach as far as the neck, and be divided, to confound the nations for their vain error; error also shall pursue them and overtake them. Isaiah 30:28 LXX

Then, God asks why the people must always rejoice as they went to Jerusalem to burn infants in the red hot arms of Molech?

Must ye always rejoice, and go into my holy places continually, as they that keep a feast?
        and must ye go with a PIPE, as those that rejoice into the mountain of the Lord,
        to the God of Israel Isaiah 30:29 LXX
Is. 30:31 For through the voice of the LORD shall the Assyrian [In the Temple] be beaten down, which smote with a rod.
Is. 30:32 And in every place where the grounded staff shall pass,
        which the LORD shall lay upon him,
        it shall be with TABRETS and HARPS: and in BATTLES of shaking will he fight with it.
Is. 30:33 For Tophet is ordained of old;
        yea, for the king it is prepared;
        he hath made it deep and large:
        the pile thereof is fire and much wood;
        the breath [Spirit] of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it. 

To the law and to the testimony:
        if they speak not according to this WORD,
        it is because there is no light in them. Isa 8:20

Max Moon etal says that is ASININE!


Norton at Crace Centered Forum. "Never once do we find in the writings of the Early Church Fathers where they took it upon themselves to write that God had forbidden IM in the church. They cite no apostles or scripture, or anyone else as saying IM in church worship is a sin. 

They were aware of the fatal fall into instrumental always sexual idolatry at Mount Sinai. The is the only example of people engaging in singing, dancing, sexuality, playing instruments and playing with one another. The Church of Christ (the Rock) in the wilderness identified it as an abomination and outlawed "vocal or instrumental rejoicing and self-speak." By mocking those who define words they do not know how vile music when Jesus comes to teach is.

http://www.piney.MuArnobi.html

Arnobius Against Heresies

writing (A.D. 297-303) Ridicules instrumental music in worship and Charismatic Worship as idolatrous.

In a footnote on the first page of Book I the editor notes that-

The words insanir, m bacchari, refer to the appearance of the ancient seers when under the influence of the deity. The meaning is, that they make their asserverations with all the confidence of a seer when filled, as he pretended, with the influence of the god." (Arnibious, Ante-Nicene, VI, p. 413)

He notes that it is childish that the gods of the pagans were not interested in heavenly things but with the courser things of earth. However, he is aware that the professional religionists devised the myths and fables to fool fools. They felt this need because "we need to do something about the falling attendance."

Nay, rather, to speak out more truly, the augurs, the dream interpreters, the SOOTHSAYERS, the prophets, and the PRIESTLINGS, ever vain, have devised these fables; for they,

fearing that their own arts be brought to nought, and that they may extort but scanty contributions from the devotees, now few and infrequent,

whenever they have found you to be willing that their craft should come into disrepute, cry aloud, the Gods are neglected, and

in the temples there is now a very thin attendance. For ceremonies are exposed to derision, and the time-
honoured rites of institutions once sacred have sunk before the superstitions of
new religions.

And men--a senseless race--being unable, from their inborn blindness, to see even that which is placed in open light,

dare to assert in their frenzy
what you in your sane mind
do not blush to believe. (Arnobius Against the Heathen, Ante-Nicene Fathers, VI, p. 418).

Arnobius ridicules the pagan gods by asking: arnobius, instrumental music in worship,

Is it the Titans and the Bocchores of the Moors, and the Syrian deities the offspring of eggs? Is it Apis (worshipped at Mt Sinai), born in the Peloponnese, and in Egypt is called Serapis? (Arnibious, Ante-Nicene, VI, p. 422)

Arnobius is aware that most of the "gods" were "dead heros" who had invented some useful device or composed a song and thereby been deified--

Aesculapius, because he discovered the use of herbs; Minerva, because she produced the olive; Triptolemus, because he invented the plough; Hercules, because he overpowered and restrained wild beasts and robbers. (Arnibious, Ante-Nicene, VI, p. 423)

In showing how ridiculous it was that the Earth be worshipped by the sacrifice of a pregnant sow just because the earth was fruitful, Arnobius concludes that it was equally logical that instrumental music in worship be used to honor the pretend gods:

Apollo should be honored by the sacrifice of musicians because he is a musician;... and because Mercury (Hermes) is eloquent, sacrifice should be made to him with the eloquent and most fluent. (Arnobius Against the Heathen, Ante-Nicene Fathers, VI, p. 423).

Instrumental Music in worship performers are charged with the sin of "idolatry." We still worship those who can speak the loudest, makes the best show or sing the best tune: no ugly person need apply:

I worshipped images produced from the furnace, gods made on anvils and by hammers, the bones of elephants, paintings, wreaths on aged trees; whenever I espied an anointed stone and one bedaubed with olive oil, as if some power resided in it I worshipped it, I addressed myself to it and begged blessings from a senseless stock. (Arnobius Against the Heathen, Ante-Nicene Fathers, VII, p. 423).

Why do you speak of things which you have not examined, and which are unknown to you, prating with the garrulity of a rash tongue? Were, then, those things which were done, the freaks of demons, and the tricks of the magical arts? Can you specify and point out to me any one of all those magicians who have ever existed in past ages, that did anything similar, in the thousandth degree, to Christ? Who has done this without any power of incantations? (Arnobius Against the Heathen, Ante-Nicene, VI, p. 425).

Christ "wrought without any aid from external things,

without the observance of any ceremonial,
without any definite mode of procedure,

but solely by the inherent might of His authority.... Is He one of us, at whose command, at whose voice, raised in the utterances of audible and intelligible words, infirmities, diseases, fevers, and other ailments of the body fled away." (Footnote: This is contrasted with the mutterings of strange words used by the magicians.") (Arnibious, Ante-Nicene, VI, p. 425)

Whose name (Christ), when heard, puts to flight evil spirits, imposes silence on soothsayers, prevents men from consulting augurs, causes the efforts of arrogant magicians to be frustrated, not by the dread of His name, as you allege, but by the free exercise of a greater power." (Arnobious, Ante-Nicene, VI, p. 426)

For when He forsaw that you were to be the detractors of His deeds and of His divine work, in order that no lurking suspicion might remain of His having lavished these gifts and bounties by magic arts... without any deceit and without any material aids." (Arnobius Against the Heathen, Ante-Nicene, VI, p. 427)

Playing Instrumental Music Games with Christ

On page 427 Arnobius discuses "magical arts" as opposed to the miracles of the unlearned apostles who used no deceit or material aids. On page 427 he shows that Christ drove demons from people and "reversed the ceremonies of the funeral rites" which had been conducted to magically appease the "loved one" perhaps neglected in life.

In contrasting Christ with Bactrian and others who claimed powers of magic and had herbs with power. They "muttered words" and thereby cast spells. On the other hand, Christ worked with simple word commands--

There was nothing magical, as you suppose, nothing human, delusive, or crafty in Christ; no deceit lurked in Him, although you smile in derision, as your wont is, and though you split with roars of laughter." (Arnibious, Ante-Nicene, VI, p. 428)

In continuing his discussion of how the power of Christ works, the soothsayers, augurs and magicians has been replaced by those who pour "dulcet sounds" into the ears--

For indeed it evidences a worthless heart to seek enjoyment in matters of importance; and when you have to deal with those who are sick and diseased,

to pour into their ears dulcet sounds, not to apply a remedy to their wounds." (Arnibious, Ante-Nicene, VI, p. 430)

If the Sibyl, when she was uttering and pouring forth her prophecies and oracular responses, was filled, as you say, with Apollo's power, had been cut down and slain by impious robbers, would Appolo be said to have been slain in her? If Bacis, If Helenus, Marcius, and other soothsayers, had been in like manner robbed of life and light when raving as inspired, would any one say that those who, speaking by their mouths, declared to inquireres what should be done?" (Arnobious, Ante-Nicene, VI, p. 431)

Instrumental Worship, the Priest and Homosexual connection

"Tyrants and kings plunder and pillage the treasuries of temples and "wrest away the chastity of matrons and maidens,--these men you name indigites and divi; and you worship with couches, altars, temples and other service,

and by celebrating their games and birthday... who seek to persuade men that
the rights of marriage should be held in common;
who
lie with boys, beautiful, lustful, naked; who declare that you are beasts...
all these with wonder and applause you exalt to the stars of heaven, you place in the shrines of your libraries, you present with chariots and statues, and as much as in you lies, give with a kind of immortality." (Arnibious, Ante-Nicene, VI, p. 432)

"Some of them are brought forward in the character of lovers, destroyers of purity, to commit shameful and degrading deeds not only with women, but with men also. You take no care as to what is said about matters of such importance." (Arnobius, Against the Heathen, AnteNicene, VI, p. 487).

Arnobius: Don't Listen to Polished Speakers about Instrumental Music

"They speak in the most elegant language, and that their words flow in polished periods; that they reason in syllogisms with utmost acuteness; .. that they say many things about the different kinds of numbers, many things about music; that by their maxims and precepts they settle the problems of geometry also." However, he continues--

A comparison of persons must be decided,

not by vigour of eloquence,
but by the
excellence of the works which they have done.
He must
not be called a good teacher who has expressed himself clearly,

but he who accompanies his promises with the guarantee of divine works." (Arnobius Against the Heathen, Ante-Nicene, VI, p. 438).

"If men either knew themselves thoroughly, or had the slightest knowledge of God, they would never claim as their own a divine and immortal nature; nor would they think themselves something great because they have made for themselves... knives, swords" and etc.

carried away by pride and arrogance, would they believe themselves to be deities of the first rank,
and fellows of the highest in his
exaltation, because they had devised the arts of grammar, music, oratory, and geometry.
For we do not see what is so wonderful in these arts, that because of their discovery

the soul should be believed to be above the sun as well as all the stars, to surpass both in grandeur and essence the whole universe, of which these are parts. "

For what else do these assert that they can either declare or teach, than that we may learn to know the rules and differences of nouns,

the intervals in the sounds of different tones, that we may speak persuasively in lawsuits, that we may measure the confines of the earth?

Now if the soul had brought these arts with it from the celestial regions, and it were impossible not to know them, all men would long before this be busied with them all over the earth...

But see now how few musicians, logicians, and geometricians are there in the world! How few orators, poets, critics!..." (Arnibious, Ante-Nicene, VI, p. 441)

And be not deceived or deluded with vain hopes by that which is said by some ignorant and most presumptious pretenders, that they are born of God, and are not subject to the decrees of fate; that His palace lies open to them if they lead a life of temperance, and that after death as men, they are restored without hinderance, as if their father's abode;

not by that which the "Magi assert, that they have intercessory prayers, won over by which some powers make the way easy
to those who are
striving to mount to heaven;

not by that which Etruria holds out in the Acherontic books that souls become, and are freed from the law of death, if the blood of certain animals is offered to certain deities.

These are empty delusions, and excite vain desires. None but the Almighty God can preserve souls; nor is there any one besides who can give them length of days, and grant to them also a spirit which shall never die."

(Footnote: Magi are 'certain fortune-telling vagrant seers, who persuade the rich

that they have power with the gods, by means of charms and sacrifices...
on
familiar terms with evil powers,
and thus able to accomplish
whatever is within these spirit's power.) (Arnibious, Ante-Nicene, VI, p. 457)

The pagans argued that Christianity could not be true because it was so young. However, Arnobius noted that, by the same argument, the gods who gained their status through the arts such as instrumental music as worship cannot be true gods.

His argument is that music and other arts as proof that one was a god must have had their own beginning at one time.

By their argument, therefore, their religion could not be true.

"For instance, music did not seem to originate with the gods because it was a fairly recent invention--
Medicine,
philosophy, music and all the other arts by which social life has been built up and refined,--were these born with men, and did they not rather begin to be pursued, understood, and practiced lately, nay, rather, but a short time since?" (Arnobius Against the Heathen, Ante-Nicene, VI, p. 460).
Norton at Crace Centered Forum: Most of the writers  being bishops, did what bishops are supposed to do. They gave their judgements on matters, not addressed by the Lord or the apostles. They said the Church did not use lifeless instruments in worship because they didn't want to be like the Jews and pagans


Justin Martyr Chapter XVIII.-Christians Would Observe the Law, If They Did Not Know Why It Was Instituted.

"For since you have read, O Trypho, as you yourself admitted, the doctrines taught by our Saviour, I do not think that I have done foolishly in adding some short utterances of His to the prophetic statements.

Wash therefore, and be now clean, and put away iniquity from your souls,
as God bids you be washed in this laver,
and be circumcised with the true circumcision.

For we too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined you,-namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your hearts. For if we patiently endure all things contrived against us by wicked men and demons, so that even amid cruelties unutterable, death and torments, we pray for mercy to those who inflict such things upon us, and do not wish to give the least retort to any one, even as the new Lawgiver commanded us: how is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us,-I speak of fleshly circumcision, and Sabbaths, and feasts?

Chapter XIX.-Circumcision Unknown Before Abraham. The Law Was Given by Moses on Account of the Hardness of Their Hearts.

"It is this about which we are at a loss, and with reason, because, while you endure such things, you do not observe all the other customs which we are now discussing." "This circumcision is not, however, necessary for all men, but for you alone, in order that, as I have already said, you may suffer these things which you now justly suffer. Nor do we receive that useless baptism of cisterns, for it has nothing to do with this baptism of life.

Wherefore also God has announced that you have forsaken Him, the living fountain, and digged for your selves broken cisterns which can hold no water. Even you, who are the circumcised according to the flesh, have need of our circumcision; but we, having the latter, do not require the former. For if it were necessary, as you suppose, God would not have made Adam uncircumcised; would not have had respect to the gifts of Abel when, being uncircumcised, he offered sacrifice and would not have been pleased with the uncircumcision of Enoch, who was not found, because God had translated him. Lot, being uncircumcised, was saved from Sodom, the angels themselves and the Lord sending him out. Noah was the beginning of our race; yet, uncircumcised, along with his children he went into the ark. Melchizedek, the priest of the Most High, was uncircumcised;

to whom also Abraham the first who received circumcision after the flesh, gave tithes, and he blessed him: after whose order God declared, by the mouth of David, that He would establish the everlasting priest. Therefore to you alone this circumcision was necessary, in order that the people may be no people, and the nation no nation; as also Hosea, one of the twelve prophets, declares.

Moreover, all those righteous men already mentioned, though they kept no Sabbaths, were pleasing to God; and after them Abraham with all his descendants until Moses, under whom your nation appeared unrighteous and ungrateful to God,

making a calf in the wilderness:
wherefore God,
accommodating Himself to that nation,
enjoined them
also to offer sacrifices,

as if to His name, in order that you might not serve idols. Which precept, however, you have not observed; nay, you sacrificed your children to demons.

And you were commanded to keep Sabbaths, that you might retain the memorial of God. For His word makes this announcement, saying, "That ye may know that I am God who redeemed you.'

Moloch.harp.drum.flute.gif


Norton at Crace Centered Forum: And of course they didn't use the "authority principle" against instruments, because that doctrine didn't appear until the Reformation.

http://www.piney.com/Commands.Examples.and.Necessary.Inferences.html

Aristot. Nic. Eth. 1175b.1

But things that are akin to things of different kinds must themselves differ in kind.
        [3] A still clearer proof may be drawn
        from the hindrance that activities
        receive from the pleasure derived from other activities.

For instance, persons fond of the flute
        cannot give their attention
to a philosophical discussion
                [The LOGOS or Regulative Principle]
        when they overhear someone playing the flute,
        because they enjoy music more than the activity in which they are engaged;
                therefore the pleasure afforded by the music of the flute
                impairs the activity of study.


GOD DOES NOT LET PEOPLE READ BLACK TEXT ON BROWN PAPER: Why would a preacher with no God-given role or Dole think that they have more authority than Jesus? Because they are hirelings who speak on their own.

John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man,
        then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself;
        but as my Father hath taught me, I SPEAK these things.
John 8:38  SPEAK that which I have seen with my Father:
        and ye DO that which ye have seen with your father.
John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself;
        but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment,
        what I should say, and what I should speak
John 17:14 I have given them thy WORD; and the world hath hated them,
        because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
John 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy WORD is truth.
John 17:18 As thou hast SENT me into the world, even so have I also SENT them into the world.

The Regulative Principle began in Heaven when God Cast Lucifer As Profane out of Heaven: He-she is called a singing an harp playing prostitute.

Jesus as the WORD is the
-LOGOS or rational discord of God made audible and capable of being recorded. The ONE God always had His Word and Reason with Him.

-Lego Count, recount, tell over, say, speak, 8. at the beginning of letters or documentsmaintain as a thesis
    Sophron of sound mindhaving control over the sensual desires, temperate, self-controlled, chaste, reasonable comparison. , esp. in the theatre,Singing the words of a male god was considered obscene.

Opposite to epithumia
 A. desire, yearning, longing after a thing, desire of or for it, Theaomai :--gaze at, behold, mostly with a sense of wonder,
        3.
view as spectators
Ratio   I. a reckoning, account, calculation, computation.
1. plea, pretext, ground, would have admitted of an explanation,
2. statement of a theory, argument, to be explained
      c. in Logic, proposition, whether as premiss or conclusion
      d. rule, principle, law, as embodying the result of logismos
4. thesis, hypothesis, provisional ground,
5. reason, ground
6. formula (wider than definition, but freq. equivalent thereto), term expressing reason,
7. reason, law exhibited in the world-process,
   c. understood by the Greeks: of regulative and formative forces, derived from the intelligible and operative in the sensible universe
IV. inward debate of the soul 1.thinking, reasoning,  explanation,
Opposite Pathos  A. that which happens to a person or thing, incident, accident, where this incident took place, unfortunate accident,
Opposite 2. what one has experienced, good or bad, experience
Opposite II. of the soul, emotion, passion (“legō de pathē . . holōs hois hepetai hēdonē ē lupēArist.EN1105b21), “sophiē psukhēn pathōn aphaireitai
Opposite Poiein to excite passion, Arist.Rh.1418a12; V. Rhet., emotional style or treatment, to sphodron kai enthousiastikon p. Longin.8.1; “pathos poieinArist. Rh.1418a12; “
Opposite  epagōgēs IV. inward debate of the soul
in Logic, of discursive reasoning, 
OPPOSITE intuition
2. reason as a faculty,
V. continuous statement, narrative (whether fact or fiction), oration lego Truth Opposite myths, poems
4.speech, delivered in court, assembly
VI. verbal expression or utterance, lego, lexis
      -Lexis A.speech, OPPOSITE ôidê
IX  of rhythmical language set to music, en logois in orations
2
en logō kai en ōdaisprose
OPPOSITE
-poiêsis, Id.R.390a;
OPPOSITE -poiêtikê, D.H.Comp.6; opp. poiêmata, onomatopoeic word
OPPOSITE  -poi-êsis A.fabrication, creation, production,
OPPOSITE   -Melos   B. esp. musical member, phrase: hence, song, strain, lyric songs,
OPPOSITE   3.melody of an instrument, mimesis Aoide singing, spell, incantations,
OPPOSITE  -Mousa  -Melodia -Cantus B. An incantation, charm, magic song
Logos is the 
OPPOSITE
  emmetra, ib.1450b15 (pl Id.Rh.1404a31
X. the Word or Wisdom of God, personified as his agent in creation and world-government



  2.24.257
<img src="cgi-bin/Count.cgi?df=piney/counter_
Grace.Centered.Forum.html.dat">. 10:25.18 95. 1.08.19. 160 1.22.19 177 4.08.19. 287
5.18.19  312. 6.23.19 332.  7.22.19. 352