First Colony Church of Christ

Review of Instrumental Music Plan 

Ronnie Norman part of the "restructure" of Churches of Christ into an instrumental church: the  3rd service is the old punch line meaning we intend to go all the way. Please note that we warned you in 2004 and you laughed in our face. Click for the forum and discuss it.
Added Links: proof that Ronnie Norman and the small band of discorders have FULFILLED the prophecy of John in Revelation 17-8 which closes the circle of the beginning times when God abandoned Israel to worship like the natiors or Goyim meaning Babylonians, Canaanites and Greeks.
When appealing to the Levites he is promoting the perverted worship of Dionysus whose pipers trying to get everyone to sing and dance were consigned to the marketplace along with all of the rest of perverted pagan worship services.
Jacob cursed Levi and warned anyone with ears NOT to attend the assemblies of Levi because the Levites in Egypt took on the function of Dionysus worship. That was the Abomination of desolation in the Templeand what they tried to impose on Jesus by piping hoping He would sing and dance the Dionysus shuffle: Jesus consigned them to the marketplace where all of the other hypocritical, pagan worship took place. The persona of religious music was always virtual or real sexual abnormality.

Ronnie Norman asks: The Anti-instrumental music view is a product of the Restoration movement bact to the Bible no creed but Christ, Christians only, in Essentials unity, in all things love.
That has to be a deliberate distortion of the Bible and all recorded history. None of the Presbyterians, Methodists or Baptists who were looking to return to the Bible after the Revolution brought more Christian liberty, had used instruments since the Reformation.  In fact, since the Bible is deliberately written in a non-metrical style to give it credibility it is not possible to obey the direct commands and historic practice and SING "that which is written" meaning the biblical text.  The fact that the Psalms were REWRITTEN quite radically to permit singing is proof.  The Catholics never engaged in congregational singing with the organ accom
iment: the organ installed for civil affirs was used during non-religious parts of the assembly such as processionals, interludes or recessionals. You may check our extensive record from Babylonian tablets onward and you will only find instruments in connection with Satan, warriors, sacrificial exorcists, prostitutes or Sodomites plaguing Solomon's temple.  Musical Worship Index
Ronnie Norman claims that the: Separated practiced non-instrumental, no more beautiful instrument. Elevated to be a test of being faithful, matter of salvation, litmus test of orthodoxy.
It would appear to the rational that those who lie about the Scripture (they always did) in order to IMPOSE machines for doing hard work and DRIVING OUT the owners are the ones who define a test of fellowship. When none of the churches had instruments because they were informed from the Bible and all recorded history and SOME imposed instruments that meats the test of heresy or sectarianism.   When then imposed the organ over the objections of J.W.McGarvey and refused to let him preach the truth, they claimed that he became sectarian when he left the church.  The old guilt clause began with Adam.

Click for J.W.McGarvey's paper.
Ronnie Norman: Qualities of how love behaves. 1 cor 13:1  "whatever I do" is hollow without love. Loud love is very patient. high boiling point, breaking point. endures and endures

1 Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge [GNOSIS]; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

THE TONGUES OF ANGELS

Almost always of charismatic music "it is the women and effeminate males who can fall into it."  Even if you could literally hear the voice of angels, because the church is a school of the Bible (Only) it would NOT be a sign of love if everyone tried to sing their own song or gibber.
Impure religion is "Threskia" which defines the music invented by Orpheus and the Lesbian women  who claimmed supernatural power by the use of his music. The New Wineskin parable or MARK of the beast.
Q. Horatius Flaccus, Odes

1.17 The pleasures of Lucretilis 
Tempt Faunus from his Grecian seat;
He keeps my little goats in bliss [capellis=She Goats]
Apart from wind, and rain, and heat. 
In safety rambling o'er the sward 
For arbutes and for thyme they peer,
The ladies of the unfragrant lord,
Nor vipers, green with venom, fear,
Nor savage wolves, of Mars' own breed, 
My Tyndaris, while Ustica's dell 
Is vocal with the silvan reed,
And music thrills the limestone fell. 
See The Christian Church use of the worship of MARS as authority.
1.18  And the Thracians too may warn us; truth and falsehood, good and ill,
How they mix them, when the wine-god's hand is heavy on them laid!  
Never, never, gracious Bacchus, may I move thee 'gainst thy will,
Or uncover what is hidden in the verdure of thy shade!
Silence thou thy savage cymbals, and the Berecyntine horn;
In their train Self-love still follows, dully, desperately blind,
And Vain-glory, towering upwards in its emptyheaded scorn,
And the Faith that keeps no secrets, with a window in its mind. 
The Mad Women in Corinth influenced by Apollo (Apollyon) but Paul said;

Col 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

Vincent notes: Render delighting in humility. This rendering is well supported by Septuagint usage. See 1 Sam. xviii. 22; 2 Sam. xv. 26; 1 Kings x. 9; 2 Chronicles ix. 8. 200 It falls in, in the regular participial series, with the other declarations as to the vain conceit of the teachers; signifying not their purpose or their wish to deprive the Christians of their reward, but their vain enthusiasm for their false doctrine, and their conceited self-complacency which prompted them to sit as judges. The worship of angels involved a show of humility, an affectation of superior reverence for God, as shown in the reluctance to attempt to approach God otherwise than indirectly: in its assumption that humanity, debased by the contact with matter, must reach after God through successive grades of intermediate beings.
Worship Teams work great for this: it is not unloving to kick out many of the owners if some "spirit" or "angel" has told you to go all theway.
Worship of angels (qrhskeia). See on religious, Jas. i. 26. Defining the direction which their humility assumed. The usage of the Septuagint and of the New Testament limits the meaning to the external aspects of worship. Compare Acts xxvi. 5; Jas. i. 27.

"It is a great mistake to imagine that back of their idolatry and their idol sacrifices there is nothing but an empty vacuity. True enough, as 1 Cor 8:4 makes plain, the gods of the idols have no existence whatever; no being by the name of Jupiter exists, and this is true with respect to all other gods. But something does exist, something that is far more terrible than these pseudo-gods, namely an entire kingdom of darkness which is hostile to God, a host of demons or fallen angels who are ruled by the greatest of their number, namely Satan, Eph. 2:3; 6:12. (Lenski)

In Isaiah 30 and The Book of Enoch copied by Jude and many ancient texts, God prepared HELL for Satan and all he/she could seduce using wind, string and percussion instruments. Because the Assyrians were identified as the Tallest Trees in Eden, the MARKS and SOUNDS of God driving His enemies there to the BEAT of the same musical instruments 

Enoch 7:1 It happened after the sons of men had multiplied in those days, that daughters were born to them, elegant and beautiful.

2 And when the angels, (3) the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamoured of them, saying to each other,
..........Come, let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men,
..........and let us beget children.

JUDE 6 And the angels who did not keep their own position, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains in deepest darkness for the judgment of the great Day. (NRSV)

II PETER 2:4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; (NKJV)

EPHESIANS 6:12 For we are not contending against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. (RSV)

That is why we do not use carnal weapons or lifeless instruments but the Word of God.

See the generation of Vipers and the Crooked Generation

Orphic theogony.
"Now Rhea [Zoe], as Ceres, in Hymn XIV, is called 'brass-sounding' and 'drum-beating'.This has reference to the mystical results of certain sounds and rhythm,  part and parcel of what the Hindus call Mantravidyâ. I remember reading a curious old French book in the Bibliothèque de la Ville of Clermont-Ferrand, one of the books confiscated from the Minime Monastery of the same town, at the time of the Revolution. 
This work dealt with the magical properties of music, and described for what especial purposes the various instruments of music were used in the Temple-service of the Jews. Now Iamblichus (De Mysteries, III.ix) goes into the matter of the so-called Corybantic and Bacchic 'frenzies' produced by musical instruments in the Mysteries of Ceres and Bacchus;
Because the Israelites had been turned over to worship the starry host it comes as no surprise  that:

"In an inscription from Cyprus, in one from Rhodes and in several from around the district of Carthage, there are references to important personages who bear the title Mqm'lm which we can translate as 'arouser of the god.'" (de Vaux, Roland, The Bible and the Ancient Near East, Doubleday, p. 247).

(The me'oreim term is associated with the "resounding gong" and the "clanging cymbal" of 1 Cor. 13-- me'onem "means to emit a hoarse nasal sound such as was customary in reciting the prescribed formula" or charm.

"Peckham 1987:84-87: the association of Astarte with the dying god, Eshmun, may well be related to child sacrifice, as Peckham; Robertson 1982:329. Given the parallel to Genesis 22, the tradition of Kronos sacrificing his only son as a part of the Phoenician cult looks to be related to the thriving business of infant sacrifice in Phoenician culture.

The mourning ritual connected with Astarte in KAI 37 and elsewhere, and the tradition of "raising the god" (mqm 'lm), identified as Astarte's bridegroom in KAI 44:2, in Phoenician epigraphs (c.f. the Eqron epigraph, lmqm, in the seventh c., where other indications of Phoenician influence are present), suggest the importance of the cycle through the underworld in this cult

Peckham, J. B. 1987 Phoenicia and the Religion of Israel: The Epigraphic Evidence. Pp. 79-99 in Ancient Israelite Religion. Essays in Honor of Frank Moore Cross, ed. P. D. Miller, P. D. Hanson and S. D. McBride.Philadelphia: Fortress.

GIVING YOUR BODY TO BE BURNED

Thalrgelia in Greek religion, one of the chief festivals of Apollo at Athens, celebrated on the sixth and seventh days of Thargelion (May-June). Basically a vegetation ritual upon which an expiatory rite was grafted, the festival was named after the first fruits, or the first bread from the new wheat.

On the first day of the festival, one or two men (or a man and a woman), representing the deity but also acting as scapegoats for community guilt, were first led through the city and then driven out. Occasionally, as in times of heavy calamity, they were sacrificed, being either thrown into the sea or burned on a funeral pyre. On the second day of the festival, there were a thanks offering, a procession, and the official registration of adopted persons.

"dionysus's worship is thus established by the simple means of killing the opposition. It has been suggested that every tragic hero who suffers and dies on stage at the Dionysia, the great dramatic festival at Athens (of the South?), is in fact dionysus himself, being killed."

In the Eleusian mysteries, the wine was not noted for its alcohol but for drugs perhaps from fermented barley or from mushrooms used to bring on the exhilaration. Of the priest, it is said that:

"As he performed the service, he intoned ancient chants in a falsetto voice, for his role in the Mystery was asexual, a male who had sacrificed his gender to the Great Goddess.

Hebrew Sa'ir La-'aza'zel ("goat for Azazel"), in the Old Testament ritual of Yom Kippur (Lev. 16:8-10), a goat symbolically burdened with the sins of the Jewish people. Some scholars believe that the animal was chosen by lot to placate Azazel, a wilderness demon,  then outside Jerusalem to rid the nation of its iniquities. By extension, a scapegoat has come to mean any group or individual that innocently bears the blame of others.

The use of scapegoats has a long and varied history involving many kinds of animals, as well as human beings. In ancient Greece, human scapegoats (pharmakos) were used to mitigate a plague or other calamity or even to prevent such ills. The Athenians chose a man and woman for the festival of Thargelia. After being feasted, the couple was led around the town, beaten with green twigs, driven out of the city, and possibly even stoned. In this way the city was supposedly protected from ill fortune for another year.

Greek Religion: Popular religion flourished alongside the civic cults. Peasants worshiped the omnipresent deities of the countryside, such as the Arcadian goat-god Pan, who prospered the flocks, and the nymphs (who, like Eileithyia, aided women in childbirth) inhabiting caves, springs (Naiads), trees (Dryads and Hamadryads), and the sea (Nereids). They also believed in nature spirits such as Satyrs and Sileni and equine Centaurs. Among the more popular festivals were the rural Dionysia, which included a phallus pole;

the Anthesteria, when new wine was broached and offerings were made to the dead; the Thalysia, a harvest celebration; the Thargelia, when a scapegoat (pharmakos) assumed the communal guilt; and the Pyanepsia, a bean feast in which boys collected offerings to hang on the eiresione ("wool pole"). Women celebrated the Thesmophoria in honour of Demeter and commemorated the passing of Adonis with laments and miniature gardens, while images were swung from trees at the Aiora to get rid of an ancient hanging curse. Magic was widespread. Spells were inscribed on lead tablets. Statues of Hecate, goddess of witchcraft, stood outside dwellings, while Pan's image was beaten with herbs in time of meat shortage.

See Nadab and Abihu who did several things presumptiously and for which God imposed the SCAPEGOAT or a sacrifice to Satan to protect them after they had lost God's protection.

Because Apollo is Abaddon or Apollyon and the Muses are called Locusts as "dirty adulterers," and the burning of the scapegoat id defined as PHARMAKOS, the message of the Mother of the Babylon harlot who uses lusted after fruits as speakers, singers and instrument players in Revelation 18, John calls them SORCERERS or PHARMAKON: scapegoats FIT to be burned.

G5331 pharmakeia far-mak-i'-ah From G5332 ; medication ("pharmacy"), that is, (by extension) magic (literal or figurative): sorcery, witchcraft.

Epôidê   A. song sung to or over: hence, enchantment, spell, epaoidêi d' haima..eschethon Od.19.457 , cf. Pi.P.4.217 ; ou pros iatrou sophou thrênein epôidas pros tomônti pêmati S.Aj. 582 oute pharmaka.. charm for or against [a BURDEN Jesus silenced]

In the book of Enoch, Watchers, Chapter 8

1 And Azazel [scapegoat see Nadab-Abihu] taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all

2 colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they

3 were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjaza taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, 'Armaros the resolving of enchantments, Baraqijal (taught) astrology, Kokabel the constellations, Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven . . .

Genun [Jubal and family] the Canaanite, son of Lamech the Blind, living in the Land of the Slime Pits,  

was ruled by AZAEL [Azazeel] from his earliest YOUTH,
and invented all sorts of musical instruments.
When he played these, Azael entered into them too,

Rev. 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Rev. 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

In the Plague Stopping Slaughter by Hezekiah which Ronnie Norman imposes on people. the instruments of David were only used for the GOAT SACRIFICE to try to reconcile Israel.  It is probably true that the CAPPELLA or goat singers are REALLY being offered up as a sacrifice to Satan because there is no other evidence. The Beast is Pan who is pictured as the eternal enemy of the WORD. It is a fact that the Levites were made a SACRIFICIAL OFFERIING for the sins of the people

Later I thought of this clown of the flute as a grotesque modern form of the great god Pan of the forest whom the Greeks worshipped as the symbol of cosmic vitality--serene, goat-footed Pan who plays the sacred syrinx (pan pipes) in the sinking dusk and with its magic sound evokes an echo in all things: leaves and fountains shiver, the stars begin to tremble, and the shaggy goats dance at the edge of the grove. (qtd. in Kinsley, David R. The Sword and the Flute: 33, n. 49)

THE PARALLEL IN THE TEMPLE IN ATHENS

Lysias Against Andocides 6.53] 52] Moreover, transgressing the law that you made, whereby he was debarred from the temples as a reprobate, he has violated all these restrictions and has entered into our city; he has sacrificed on the altars which were forbidden him, and come into the presence of the sacred things on which he committed his impiety; he has entered into the Eleusinium, [sanctuary at Athens] and baptized his hands in the holy water.

Who ought to tolerate these doings? What person, whether friend or relation or townsman, is to incur the open enmity of the gods by showing him secret favour? You should therefore, consider that to-day, in punishing Andocides and in ridding yourselves of him,

you are cleansing the city, you are solemnly purifying it from pollution,
you are dispatching a foul scapegoat, [Pharmakos, sorcerer, magician, criminals were reserved for this fate, ]
you are getting rid of a reprobate; for this man is all of them in one
AEGA Aega and her sister Helice nursed the infant Zeus in Crete, and the former was afterwards changed by the god into the constellation called Capella.   from each other. Her name is either connected with aix, which signifies a goat, or with aïx, a gale of wind; and this circumstance has led some critics to consider the myth about her as made up of two distinct ones, one being of an astronomical nature and derived from the constellation Capella, the rise of which brings storms and tempests (Arat. Phaen. 150), and the other referring to the goat which was believed to have suckled the infant Zeus in Crete.
Because the Christian Church under Barton W. Stone and the Reformers under the Campbells found commonality in a "back to the Bible" understanding of faith and practice. The agreement to do things together was clearly based NOT discussing doctrinal views: in the words recorded it meant NOT to add anything which had no clear Biblical command to do so. See the Basis for Unity
Ronnie Norman asks: What does the Bible say: 2 Chronicles 5, could be a performance, God, joined in once voice, sang, he is good.
Israel rose up to play in musical idolatry at Mount Sinai: this was the same Levite or Levius or Dionysus worship practiced in Egypt and many nations.  

1 Chr 25:1  David, together with the commanders of the army, set apart some of the sons of Asaph, Heman and Jeduthun for the ministry of prophesying, accompanied by harps, lyres and cymbals. Here is the list of the men who performed this service:

Payne insists that the Hebrew of 1 Chronicles 25:1 unambiguously identifies these leaders as military commanders, an interpretation favoured by several Bible translations. (Payne, p 423-4; NASB, NIV, NKJV, NRSV, Jerusalem Bible) If military commanders had a particular interest in the appointment of musicians, it suggests a strong link between music and warfare

"The Hithpa'el of nb', in the ancient texts, refers to ecstasy and delirium rather than to the emission of a 'prophecy'." (de Vaux, Roland, The Bible and the Ancient Near East, p. 243 Doubleday

"Maniac inspirations, the violent possession which threw sibyls and priestesses into contortions--the foaming lip and streaming hair and glazed or glaring eyes-- have no place in the self-controlling dignity of Christian inspiration. Even Jewish prophets, in the paroxysm of emotion, might lie naked on the ground and rave (1 Sam. xix. 24); but the genuine inspiration in Christian ages never obliterates the self-consciousness or overpowers the reason. It abhors the hysteria and stimulation and frenzy which have sometimes disgraced revivalism and filled lunatic asylums." (Pulpit Commentary, 1 Cor., p. 460).
While Ronnie Norman sides with the Kings the prophets by the Spirit of Christ called robbers and parasites, Stephen refused to follow them and preached:
Acts 7:42 Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven;
        as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered
        to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness?
After God abandoned the national leadership to worship the Starry host, and ordained the Qahal, synagogue or church in the wilderness for the spiritual people to rest, read and rehearse the Word of God, there is NOTHING in the curse of the NATIONAL sacrificial system which any honest person would try to impose on the church.
Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan,
        figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.
Acts 7:44 Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as he had appointed,
        speaking unto Moses, that he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen.
Acts 7:45 Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus into the possession of the Gentiles,
        whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David;
Acts 7:46 Who found favour [Grace] before God, and desired
                 to find a tabernacle [Tent] for the God of Jacob.
Acts 7:47 But Solomon built him an house.
Acts 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Acts 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool:
        what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
Acts 7:50 Hath not my hand made all these things?
Why would Ronnie and Faust etal think that God was inside having what sounds like a charismatic fit of joy IF God was NOT in the house: the CLOUD meant that God "went into exile."   Because God promised a FAMILY but not a HOUSE or Temple then and now people were resisting the Holy Spirit.

Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears,
        ye do always resist the Holy Ghost:
        as your fathers did, so do ye.

The Cloud Ronnie Norman Etal impose as a "strong delusion"

The cloud h6051:  Does this sound like people who would steal the church house of widows and other owners to prevent them from themselves coming boldly before the throne of Grace WITHOUT viper mediators?

WHAT JESUS CAME TO DESTROY AS THE VIPER OR CROOKED GENERATION

Hesiod, Works and Days
[180] And Zeus will destroy this race of mortal men also when they come to have grey hair on the temples at their birth. The father will not agree with his children, nor the children with their father, nor guest with his host, nor comrade with comrade; nor will brother be dear to brother as aforetime. [185] Men will dishonor their parents as they grow quickly old, and will carp at them, chiding them with bitter words, hard-hearted they, not knowing the fear of the gods. They will not repay their aged parents the cost of their nurture, for might shall be their right: and one man will sack another's city. [190] There will be no favor for the man who keeps his oath or for the just or for the good; but rather men will praise the evil-doer and his violent dealing. Strength will be right, and reverence will cease to be; and the wicked will hurt the worthy man, speaking false words against him, and will swear an oath upon them. [195] Envy, foul-mouthed, delighting in evil, with scowling face, will go along with wretched men one and all  
Acts 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this crooked generation.

Skolios A. curved, bent (opp. orthos, euthus) muthos
III. skolion, to, intestine, splanchana kai nephron kai skolion
Muthos used with tragoidia, mimesis, poetes etc. 2.fiction (opposite logos, historic truth), Pi.O.1.29 

Pindar, Olympian 1
  and is glorified [15] by the choicest music, which we men often play around his hospitable table. Come, take the Dorian lyre down from its peg,

[25] with whom the mighty holder of the earth Poseidon fell in love, when Clotho took him out of the pure cauldron, furnished with a gleaming ivory shoulder. Yes, there are many marvels, and yet I suppose the speech of mortals beyond the true account can be deceptive, stories adorned with embroidered lies; [30][30] and Grace, who fashions all gentle things for men, confers esteem and often contrives to make believable the unbelievable. But the days to come are the wisest witnesses.

Logos is  prose, opp. poiêsis, meter, opposite dramatic dialog, or the musical part of songs.

Latin fabula II. In partic. (freq. and class.), a fictitious narrative, a tale, story; 1. Most freq., a dramatic poem, drama, play.  

Cantus to utter melodious notes, to sing, sound, play. , of the instruments by which, or (poet.) of the places in which, the sounds are produced, to sound, resound: canentes tibiae

Tcaenĭcus  I.of or belonging to the stage, scenic, dramatic, theatrical (class.). Outlawed by Paul for the ekklesia or church.

Thĕātrālis  concerning the order of sitting in the theatre, Sermones i.e. low, vulgar.

Psa. 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, 
        nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
Psa. 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD;
        and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
Psa. 1:3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water,
        that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither;
        and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
Psa. 1:4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
Psa.1:5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment,
        nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
Psa. 1:6 For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous:
        but the way of the ungodly shall perish.
The Righteous fled for their souls!

Plutarch: what god is worshipped by the Jews: When all the company requested and earnestly begged it of him; first of all (says he), the time and manner of the greatest and most holy solemnity of the Jews is exactly agreeable to the holy rites of Bacchus; for that which they call the Fast they celebrate in the midst of the vintage, furnishing their tables with all sorts of fruits while they sit under tabernacles made of vines and ivy; and the day which immediately goes before this they call the day of Tabernacles. 

Within a few days after they celebrate another feast, not darkly but openly, dedicated to Bacchus, for they have a feast amongst them called Kradephoria, from carrying palm-trees, and Thyrsophoria, when they enter into the temple carrying thyrsi.

What they do within I know not; but it is very probable that they perform the rites of Bacchus. First they have little trumpets, such as the Grecians used to have at their Bacchanalia to call upon their gods withal.

Others go before them playing upon harps, which they call Levites, whether so named from Lusius or Evius,--either word agrees with Bacchus.   

[Bacchae: Dionysus = Bacchus = Evius = Bromius (all different names for the same god]

They called Mithridates a god, they called him their father and the preserver of Asia, they called him Evius, Nysius, Bacchus, Liber. 

And I suppose that their Sabbaths have some relation to Bacchus; for even now many call the Bacchi by the name of Sabbi, and they make use of that word at the celebration of Bacchus's orgies.

And this may be discovered out of Demosthenes and Menander. Nor would it be out of place, were any one to say that the name Sabbath was given to this feast from the agitation and excitement [Greek omitted] which the priests of Bacchus display.

So in the nocturnal ceremonies of Bacchus (as the fashion is amongst us), they make use of music, and call the god's nurses  

High up on the wall of their temple is a representation of the thyrsus and timbrels, which surely suits no other god than Bacchus.

Click for Ezekiel 8 for confirmation.

With the Israelites having a TENT at a Jebusite High Place because David could never return to Gibeon to seek God, Solomon got confused and built Him a HOUSE just like the one in Tyre for the "singing and harp playing prostitute." The Scribal affirmation of the Curse of the king, kingdom, temple and pagan sacrifices DO NOT trump the prophets by the Spirit of Christ.

ACTIVELY OR PERMISSIVELY GOD AGAIN DESTROYED THE TEMPLE OF THE VIPER GENERATION

Ignorance of truth will never excuse those who should know better.
Freemasons noting that there is no evidence of a Hebrew temple in Jerusalem:

The name of Solomon is made up of the three ancient Sun names: The Roman SOL, the Hindu OM, and the Chaldeo-Egyptian ON.

1.) The founders of Jerusalem were the Turanian Hurrians. The Bible calls them Jebusites. Manetho the Egyptian priest (300 BC.) called them Royal Shepherds, he also called them Royal Scythians and Phoenices  The city which they founded was called Solyma. Alexander the Great put the world "Iero" or "Hiero" (Holy) in front of the city's name and pronounced it "Hiero-solyma". The city was called Solyma or Hierosolyma for many years. Josephus Flavius the Hebrew historian (37-100 AD.) in his writings always uses the name Solyma instead of Jerusalem. In 70 AD. when the Roman Titus destroyed the Temple and demolishing the city, the soldiers were shouting "Hierosolyma est perdita!" meaning "Hierosolyma (Jerusalem) is destroyed!"

2.) In 1,015 BC. David purchased a small part of the city of Uru-Salem from Urukhi or Uriah, king of the Jebusites. The Bible says: "and the children of Benjamin did not drive out the Jebusites that inhabited Jerusalem; but the Jebusites dwell with the children of Benjamin in Jerusalem unto this day" (Judges 1:21). So, the Jebusites still dwelled Jerusalem in the 7th century AD. in the period when the Masoretic Bible was constructed. The Jebusites shared their Sun-God Temple with the Hebrews, who were worshipped Tammuz Moloch and other gods.This Temple was built on Mt .Moriah to the Jebusites' Sun-God "Nib-Utu" (Shamash)
When the MARK of the loud NOISE never called music making ONE NOTE was heard, God SHUT DOWN access to God's Grace, the Word once under the mercy seat and to God Himself: only one high priest could go before the Lord once a year. Jesus died to destroy that CURSE so that we can ALL come boldly before the throne of Grace without any pseudo-Christs claiming to "lead you into the presence of God."
King Solomon's Temple   2 Chronicles 5: was the Temple Dedication a pattern for the New Testament Church? No, God promised David a tent but Solomon built a house at a pagan site but God does not dwell in houses built by human hands.  Nor, is God worshipped by the Works of human hands.  The NACC has actively promoted Solomon's Temple Dedication animal sacrifice with loud noise as a patternism for New Testament Worship and the basis for ecumenical unity.

Second Chronicles Chapter 5. The dedication of Solomon's HOUSE is not that which God promised David as a TENT.  Even Jacob warns us not to attend the assemblies of the Levites.

2 Chronicles 29: Hezekiah's Plague stopping Animal exorcism as a political move to get the priests back to clean out the garbage in the Temple. No Levitical singer could enter any holy place without getting killed.
A shorter version called Hezekiah's Plague Stopping Animal Slaughter.
Revelation 22 is a direct parallel to the Temple Dedication Slaughter: the DOGS or cynics or the old style praise singers called sorcerers in Revelation 18 under the Mother of Harlots (Revelation 17).  The CONTRAST is that ONLY the Alpha and Omega sends His messengers to the churches to protect "speaking that which has been taught."

Revelation 22  In most of the Bible there is a clear contrast: the evil thread which began with Jacob's prophecies and warning NOT to attend the assemblies of the tribe of Levi, and a clear definition of the synagogue or Ekklesia where Jesus Christ, the Alpha and Omega provides "angels" and instructs them what to speak. Quick outtake of King Solomon's Temple.

If you are a glutton for punishment I have reviewed Lynn Anderson's list of PROOF TEXT here. This is the largest list I have found so this can be a double check if you decide to do the Judas Maneuver.  Neither Lynn Anderson or any of the false teachers bother to list  the Prophets speaking by the Spirit of Christ who radically condemn the Civil-Military-Religious complex as robbers and parasites.




All I can tell you that this band has been sent STRONG DELUSIONS and they will never recover.
Ronnie Norman was featured at Lipscomb University with others actively sowing doscord by adding instrumental music and restoring the SHEPHERDING MOVEMENT.

See the universal MARK OF THE BEAST.

See how HOLDING the harps in Revelation 5 repudiates literal instruments.  The problem was that no human could LOOSE the seals of the book: that includes preachers.  Only the Lamb of God can loose the seals. HOLDING never means playing a harp; it means A holy spirit of a mind which can understand the Word. The result is that when we let Jesus do the speaking our own spirit vibrates in harmony with God's Word which is spirit. The OPPOSITE meaning of HOLDING points to Apollo or the Devil using literal instruments to set AMBUSH.

It is not possible to judge motives but because there are always those pleading for help, it is important to speak the truth about the Bible and how it seems to be easy to adopt the CURSED THREAD of the Monarchy and fail to listen to the Spirit of Christ in all of the prophets repudiating the rituals.

A QUICK REVIEW OF RONNIE NORMAN'S discussion of GENRES of Old Testament literature. However, ALL of them radically associate musical instruments with Lucifer, warriors, exorcism animal noise makers, prostitutes or Sodomites.  He claims that he KNOWS THE BIBLE and claims that the Holy Spirit leads him (or someone) to understand the text.  He ends with a STAFF study Matthew 7 about NOT JUDGING apparently to cut off at the pass anyone who opposes his twisting of all the Bible to JUDGE others by sowing discord. We have done a quick review of Matthew 7 and it is amazing that they did not grasp that Jesus addresses the Scribes and Pharisees as religious sectarians and MARKS them as hypocrites.  Jesus markes them by pointing to Isaiah and Ezekiel who points out performance preachers, singers and instrument players: all with a sexual and mercinary connotation.

A REVIEW OF RONNIE NORMAN'S SERMONS ON ROMANS 14.

BACKGROUND FOR THOSE LEADING YOU INTO CAPTIVITY.

Promise Keepers Natonal Shepherding Network On another link.
The Promise Keepers A second paper on another link.
"Where did the modern authoritarian discipling system come from? Who dreamed up this pyramid scheme of a young evangelist controlling the lives of converts so that they grind out huge work quotas and big number baptisms? What are the roots of this system?
ADDITIONS TO THIS PAPER POSTED BELOW
Click for the Time Line leading to diversion below:
Click for Lynn Anderson's First Annual National Shepherds Clinic Pattern to take you captive 24/7 below

See the Afterglow of National Shepherd's Clinic (isn't that a sexual term)

THE WARNING BY A "FIRST ALERT"

Here is a post on a forum    

"I just received an email from a concerned friend at church who was telling me that there was going to be a meeting explaining how instrumental music was going to be added. May 4th is the target date. The note said that this information needed to be on the "QT" because the congregation did not know this was about to happen. There will be a meeting later this month and a DVD presentation by Rick Atchley. The minister at First Colony is not as dynamic a speaker as Rick Atchley and needs help to get this message across, because the majority of the congregation has already heard about this instrumental music service. The shepherds have become sheep! I am curious as to why the darkness! Bring this out into the light if this is good and just!. John 3 states that evil is afraid to be found out and that is why they stay in the dark.

The email said that the congregation would be completing a brief survey--I guess to determine a consensus? Is this the Oracle of Dephi technique being used on good people?
The Shepherding Movement

The manipulation is certainly one of the brain washing techniques.  Ronnie Norman worked in Max Lucado's area to a mislead "conservative" church of Christ defining Lyn Andersons Shepherding Movement which he got from Promise Keepers and identical to the Crossroads and IOCc sect.  Music is historically just to BIND the "community church" meaning commune to the dominant tribal leader.  

The real reason for the MUSIC of course is that the Community Church defined as COMMUNE will not work--as we learned in Cave Man 101--with the use of the musical prophesiers to lead you into the presence of the gods and BIND you to the AGENT of the gods.  When the Mega Church breaks down you typically have to break up into CIRCLES in smaller groups. Joseph Campbell notes that when a group loses connection to their roots they "crack away to an archaic form of superstitious tribalism."  

"When tribes grew too large for effective co-operation (and inbred), they often became subdivided into smaller kinship groups (clans, sibs, gentes) which continued to regard each other as close allies. Government was exercised by individual chieftains assisted by councils of elders" (p. 26).

"In this fashion evey common tribal interest--the recurrence of the seasons, the increase of the food supply, successful hunting--was likely to become embodied

in some regularly repeated ceremony, which usually included group dancing, singing, and feasting.

Besides enabling men to express, and thereby to allay, ANGER and ANXIETY, such ceremonies also promoted tribal UNITY and strengthened the loyalty of the individual to TRIBAL TRADITION,

for the emotional excitement they aroused had the effect of breaking down the barriers between individuals

and thus fusing all tribesmen into a collective whole. Meanwhile, whole systems of magical devices were gradually elaborated." (Parkes, p. 29)

'Certain members of a tribe, marked out either by unusual skills or by some emotional abnormality, ususally became particularly adept at these operations, and gradually assumed specialized functions. RELEASED from the duty of hunting, and concentrating on the practice of MAGIC, the shaman, SORCERER, or medicine man was the world's first professional." (Parkes, H. Bamfort, of Gods and Men, p. 29).

The development both of religion and of the arts can be traced back in a continuous line to the hunting era. The group ritual of the primeval tribesmen were the origin not only of all religious ceremonial, but also of the drama and of poetry and music, while magic gave birth to the visual arts." (Parkes, Henry Bamford, On Gods and Men, p. 30).

"Awed by the mysteries of his own spirit no less than by those of nature, primitive man was likely to attribute to divine influence

any abnormal emotional state, whether above or below the usual level. Medicine men customarily went into states of trance in which they were believed to be in communication with the gods,
and many tribes supposed lunatics and sexual deviants to be divinely possessed.

It is an absolute certainty that all religious music was conducted by women or if males we are told that they were drunk or perverted. That is why all of the PLAY and SPORTING words in the Bible point specificially to the DOGS or Wolves which identify elders who have let the CYNICS in and who were identified by their "singing style."

All of these people read off the script suppled by the NACC most recently by David Faust promoting UNITY and USING a few dupes.  Ronnie is simply following in the steps of the small band: Milton Jones, Chris Seidman, Max Lucado, Rick Atchley and Mark Henderson. They all use the same words.  This movement was finally brought to a head when they discovered that literate Bible students could not be SEDUCED.

This began with a secret agenda to restructure all churches of Christ into Christian Churches.  It has features lots of help by once-Christian universities, the Tulsa Soulstealing Workshop, the Jubilee and other programmed effort to slowly "boil the frog" and make the Church of Christ members feel evil for following the Bible and all of church history in rejecting "machines for doing hard work" which John identifies as SORCERERS using "lusted after fruits" under the Mother of Harlots (Rev 17-18)

To their credit out of over 13,000 congregations the have SEDUCED none but the congregations of that band of merry men who started the massive sowing of discord to steal the church houses of widows."

This email was sent to the FCCC members mailing list on 4/25/08:
 This Sunday I Start A Two Week Series Called “Music Matters” And We Will Ask For Your Feedback Next Sunday, May 4… I plan to talk very openly about our musical heritage in the churches of Christ (much of which is so very positive).
We’ll bathe this discussion in the light of scripture and ask for your prayers.
[This will be a bath of 100% lying about the cursed Monarchy Scribes while they are not even aware that only the PROPHETS by the Spirit OF Christ defined the church and  repudiated the king-priests-and Levites as robbers and PARASITES]
Last summer & fall, all the elders began to study, reflect, discuss and pray about asking the church to consider offering well-done, tasteful, live instrumentation in one of our worship services and if so, when should that service be offered. By “well-done” I mean a service where the instrumentation complements rather than overwhelms and where participatory singing remains a high value.

Bottom line: all the elders felt fine about allowing a service with live instrumentation (but only if well-done and only if a strong exclusively acappella presence continues in other services) and we’ve even talked about some possible specifics with one another and our deacons. However, the reality is we are not married to anything specific regarding dates and times. We have certainly given this some thought but nothing is set in stone. We are not even married to offering an instrumental service. But we are married to a clear and open process where we ask the entire church to consider the possibility of live instrumentation in one of the worship services of our church family. We ask you to consider this through a process of evaluating scripture, praying for God’s leading, considering one another, and providing feedback.

Specifically, on Sunday May 4 we will ask you to fill out a brief survey telling us your perspectives regarding “church music”. That survey will also be available on-line and here’s what it will do: it will help us know more accurately where we are as a church family and what you think. When it comes to even considering any kind of transition in our church culture, our elders will move slowly & gently and will provide time for study, evaluation, prayer and dialog. I’m looking forward to presenting these two messages and I hope you’ll be encouraged.

That means the DECISION has been made and the honorable elders have agreed to resign rather than toss the discorders out.  Here is the survey and you will note the high pressure used on the options:
Notice: here is how WE want you to vote:
After much study and prayer, we are asking the church to consider the use of tasteful, live musical instrumentation in one of the worship services in our church family. We are not asking you to attend an instrumental service but to allow it for others. We have no desire to transition all services to instrumental. We want to know your perspectives. Please complete the confidential survey below for your elders. Thank you
  1. My preference is instrumental and I would often attend the instrumental service
  2. I enjoy both acappella and instrumental and would attend either
  3. My preference is acappella but I can allow an instrumental option for others
  4. My choice is acappella and I do not believe that an instrumental option should be offered to others. 
Shouldn't the question be:
You must understand that the MOTIVE of the Shepherding movement--at any level--is to seek out and collect information about anyone foolish enough to "confess" or be held "accountable." Erasmus wrote a wonderful piece on the CONFESSIONAL which was and is always a way to find that HIDDEN sin and use it to blackmail elders and others who stand in their way into silence.
SOME FEEDBACK WHERE YOU MAY SHARE YOUR VIEWS:

"I have been involved with what has happened at several churches, not all are Churches of Christ, and there are some very familiar similarities to what has happened at First Colony Church of Christ. What is happening is a programmed change. There are specific guidelines on how to make changes and when to “back off” the pace of the changes. If you are in the know you will know that specific aspects of the way we do ‘church’ has changed and some changes are still coming and will be rolled out as the congregation can accept the change. When Ronnie started sitting down to do his sermon last year (which is fine), was that due to his health condition or was that because of coaching from an external source? When the children’s classes started having Guitar players sing children’s songs to them while they were in Sunday school and the players quickly exit before the parents picked them up, (Are parents aware what is going on? I wasn’t) was that not a change that the community church has facilitated? If you are interested in what I am suggesting, read the article about what happened to Madison church of Christ. That article was posted in 2002 and the path that man describes is similar to the one First Colony is on.

What I am concerned with is the method and the time line, which suggest an agenda.

One question: How could 28 elders that grew up in the Church of Christ, several were very conservative, agree on overturning such historically controversial issues? This is where I believe the “darkness” exists. I see the Delphi technique being administered. As warm and friendly as surveys and polls of the congregation seem, they have a purpose. I will cut and paste a definition here: If your not familiar with what it is - it is a manipulative method used by Governments, Organizations and Unions to cause a ‘pre-selected outcome' at a meeting, event, or function. Its usage is also implemented in any on line instrument such as a chat room, forum or newsgroup that has 'Moderators.'

Darkness! I think there has been some planning since 1999! Planning that has included deception of a lot of people. A lot of people at church are broken hearted and hurting and somehow changing the way we do a service helps! I think the Bible is speaking to First Colony church in Revelation 3:14. You know the riches people on the earth are not the people that have the most, but the people that need the least.

One last thing, I sat in the audience at Rick Atchley’s church for six years. He could inspire people to get out on a Sunday afternoon for weeks and help widows with their needs—and it was not a church program it was people doing what they felt they needed to do. It was not a habitat for humanity, it was people wanting to develop relationships with each other and work for good. I have witnessed his dynamic, change a great church and turn it downward into what it is now!

Click for the Market Driven Church.

The Delphi technique is named after the Oracle of Delphi: this was the "seeker center" of Apollo who is the Abaddon or Apollyon (Satan) in the book of Revelation.  It was from her that the girl with he divining spirit of Pythian spirit Paul cast out.

HERE IS WHAT JOHN WARNED ABOUT:

Rev. 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev. 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
Rev. 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

HERE IS THE MARK OF THE OPERATIVES:

Rev. 18:14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all

THUS hath the Lord God shewed unto me: and behold a basket of summer fruit. Amos 8:1

And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the Lord unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more. Amos 8:2

A basket:
Keluwb (h3619) kel-oob'; from the same as 3611; a bird-trap (as furnished with a clap-stick or treadle to spring it); hence a basket (as resembling a wicker cage): - basket, cage.

As a cage is full of birds, so are their houses full of deceit: therefore they are become great, and waxen rich. Je.5:27

Keleb (h3611) keh'leb; from an unused root mean. to yelp, or else to attack; a dog; hence (by euphemism) a male prostitute: - dog.

For dogs have compassed me: the assembly [multitude, swarm] of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. Ps.22:16

Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter. Is.56:11

Rev. 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone [prostitute] shall be heard no more at all in thee;
Rev. 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: 
        for thy merchants were the great men of the earth;
        for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
Rev. 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

DON'T LET SATAN SNUFF OUT YOUR CANDLESTICK: THERE IS NO LAW OF GIVING TO BE AN ENABLER.

The present major HANDLER using dupes is David Faust of the NACC.  David was invited by an "insider" at Freed Hardeman University to speak of "unity." Of course, David unleashed his who "white paper" full of "black lies" which was published and used to fool churches of Christ. They all lie about the Old Testament.  You may plow through the rebuttal by clicking here.

King-Priest-Temple system as robbers and PARASITES. Musical Instruments are THE MARK of those who have decided to "shut God's face."  Therefore, you are following the 666 pattern of Chiun and Molech which is the PATTERNISM of burning infants God used as a type of Hell where He will beat his enemies there with wind, string and percussion instruments Lucifer--the singing and harp playing prostitute--brought into the garden to wholly seduce Eve.

Timeline leading up to the old Shepherding, Crossroads or International Church of Christ takeover.

I was asked to look at the "leadership" structure and comment:

Ronnie Norman is our Senior Minister. Ronnie's gifts of preaching and providing leadership to the church family continue to be a catalyst for effective ministry. Serving the church since 1985, Ronnie is the only Senior Minister in the history of First Colony. 1985 is about the time a small band of merry men concocted their plan and made masterful use of Machiavelli and Mein Kampf.  

Ronnie Norman became a Directing elder in 2004

A nasty conflict of interest. The Astrix denotes the older, original elders which existed before the planned conversion to a Shepherding movement

Dates they became elders: 2007, 2005, 2001, 1992, 2007, 2007, *1996, 2005, 2007, *1987, 2007, 2005, *1991, 2007, 2001, 2007, ronnie 2004, 2005, 2005, 2005, *1991, 2007, *1991, 2005, 2005, 2005, 2007,

You have a brand new CROP and THAT is part of the Purpose Driven scam.

Shepherding elders have been well defined by men like Rubel Shelly as SHEPHERDING THE MINISTER "who by training and charisma is best suited to be THE leader." By working with the deacons and staff you can see that you have been transistion from a Scriptural church of Christ where the elders are the TOTAL overseers and feeders of the flock who are named along with the deacons. This was charted by Rick Atchley using the PYRAMID because the NEW INSTITUTE is a virtual ziggurat or Tower of Babel where the agent of the gods sits up on top where the collection plate is located. The slaves sing and play instruments on their way to "lay by in store" being told that they will meet the gods or angels ascending and descending. The Mother of Harlots lives again.

Lynn Anderson used some slick willie pressure to get a very conservative eldership to permit him to hold

http://www.piney.com/Anderson-Shepherds.html

This was San Antonio June 19-21, 2003, so you can see that an OVERPOWERING crop of new elders undoubtedly infused by Ronnie Norman was just in time to "start boiling the frogs" because deception takes time and lots of planning. The SHEPHERDING elders will be the ones in contact and the old faithful elders have been KICKED UPSTAIRS.

I quote: "The first annual National Shepherd's Clinic will be held in San Antonio June 19-21, 2003 at Northside Church of Christ. Join me and hundreds of other church leaders for two rich days: Shepherding skills, Case studies from churches in transition, Moving from control to empowerment, Litigation-proofing your church....
    and Transitioning your church.
    Also Chris Seidman and Ronnie Norman presented strong keynote addresses.
In the Purpose Driven Cult "litigation" includes how to forge your bylaws so that when YOU steal the property the OWNERS cannot steal it back.

"The sessions addressed Transitioning:
Transition n 1: the act of passing from one state or place to the next [syn: {passage}] 2: an event that results in a transformation [syn: {conversion}, {changeover}] 3: a change from one place or state or subject or stage to another 4: a musical passage moving from one key to another [syn: {modulation}] 5: a passage that connects a topic to one that follows
Moving church leadership style from a Managing Board to a Shepherd's Circle of shepherding, mentoring and equipping. The agenda featured eight case studies from congregations at one stage or another along "Transition Trail" -- sharing both successes and difficulties.
Now you know that the old Managing Board has been usurped by a "Shepherd's Circle of Shepherding." Old Lynn lifts lots of stuff directly from Wicca or Witchcraft "patternism."

PATTERNISM OF PERFIDITY.

1985 marks the time when a small group banded together to transition YOUR church property away from you and turn it into what Lynn Anderson clearly defines as a Shepherding Cult.

1999 Comment from an observer or Rick Atchley total defection:
The email has been prolific with one more topic that has been stated by an elder, “our church will be more market driven”. Truly that would not trump a Faith driven church. Please once again Google “Market Driven Church”. A minister from a Bible church in Illinois described it best. I believe the minister’s last name is Gilley. I do not know if the elder is researching what he is saying about ‘market driven’ or if it just a buzz word that has no meaning to him.

Darkness! I think there has been some planning since 1999! Planning that has included deception of a lot of people. A lot of people at church are broken hearted and hurting and somehow changing the way we do a service helps! I think the Bible is speaking to First Colony church in Revelation 3:14. You know the riches people on the earth are not the people that have the most, but the people that need the least.
Here is how the Delphi technique works (and boy its effective). It is based upon the Hegelian Dialectic of creating ones own opposition in order to manipulate that opposition to a unified consensus. One exposing document from the Education Reporter accurately describes it:

In group settings, the Delphi Technique is an unethical method of achieving consensus on controversial topics. It requires well-trained professionals, known as "facilitators" or "change agents," who deliberately escalate tension among group members, pitting one faction against another to make a preordained viewpoint appear "sensible,” while making opposing views appear ridiculous.
A. This is well documented perfectly by Hitler in Mein Kampf who used the word SEEKER.
B. Here is where Hitler insisted that WE must SET ASIDE ALL DIVIDING FACTORS.
C. How THE leader must use Psychology and Propaganda had to run far in advance of organization and provide it with the human material to be worked on.
D. And don't forget the OCCULTIC view of the Volkish community.   This will define the Promise Keepers SHEPHERDING which Lynn Anderson is promoting. Don't forget that Max Lucado was a Vice President and promoter of the CULT.
2003 Teaching others by CASE STUDIES about how to TRANSISTION your church.
2004 Ronnie Norman gets to be a Directing Elder
 Chris Seidman had turned the trick: they wrote a white paper filled with black lies and dared me to refute. I did.
Max Lucado had a VISION to remove CHRIST out of the way and ADD instruments: you understand just soft strings in maybe a class room. Lies. Wrote out his vision which parallels Chris Seidman which parallels the script handed to them by the NACC.
Rick Atchley--college roomie of Max--went next. The Holy Spirit guarded, guided and directed to do his sermons: all lies and the same script.
Mark Henderson was the next one to get goosed: same lies with Atchley's CD."
Having figured the LOSSES as acceptable in
2008 Ronnie Norman STACKS THE DECK and goes with the long-planned flow

Lynn Anderson's Shepherding Movement: DON'T JOIN ANY CIRCLES!

Lynn Anderson: Accountability Group (no more than 3) What are some good questions to ask each time 2 or 3 of us men meet to hold each other accountable. What are the do's and don'ts of such a commitment...size limits...suggestions for such a commitment. If women want to do this, what accountability questions would be asked in this case? Your ideas and experiences and suggested resources please. We are ministers wanting to lead holy lives before our community in the hope that we may have opportunities to minister and teach.

Maybe something I say about this can be of help.
I think we all know that accountability is an essential part of Christianity in that we are to help each other grow and become sharpened as iron sharpens iron.

Accountability questions need to be positive focused, direct, and geared toward motivating people to grow.

This type of accountability can be hard but it is where people really grow. Especially us ministers have a hard time admitting our faults for fear of discovery and losing our jobs and/or reputations. The end result is that many of us live double lives with secret sin being our second god that we worship when no one else is looking.

Obviously in some cases this deeper type of accountability is only appropriate within all male or all female groups.

Accountability groups only work when there is trust and openness. This may take a while to develop.

Give it time and START SLOW until you feel that your relationship can progress into these more INTIMATE areas.

Here's the list from Steve Farrar's "Point Man" (Promise Keepers)

1. Have you been with a woman this week in such a way that was inappropriate or could have looked to others that you were using poor judgment?

2. Have you been completely above reproach in all your financial dealings this week?
3. Have you exposed yourself to any explicit material this week?
4. Have you spent daily time in prayer and in the Scriptures this week?
5. Have you fulfilled the mandate of your calling this week?
6. Have you taken time off to be with your family this week?
7. Have you just lied to me?  

As implimented OPERATIVES claim to use violence on non-conformers: nothing more violent than lying to steal the church house of widows.

Actually, Hope Network Ministries exists to coach, mentor and equip spiritual leaders. For that reason we do not use our web site to process doctrinal issues, denominational peculiarities or personalities.

Rather we use this forum to encourage christian leaders, share ministry resources, coach and respond to questions regarding strategies, systems, skills etc. - things of this nature.
I will add notes to prove that all of these people are deliberately lying about all of the "instrument" passages in the Bible and known history. They are RESTORING the Monarchy thread of the sacrificial system which God imposed as a curse because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai.
Ken Sublett   

I will supply in confidence any facts you need to defend yourself. Rest assured that the position of the Church of Christ rejecting music is both Biblical and Historic.

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