Engedi Ministries Exposed!

Exposing Calvinist, David Lawrence of Engedi.org and Smith Springs church of Christ. He boasts of inculcating Calvinism into David Lipscomb University, Nashville, Tn.

Isaiah prophesied of a TINY remnant and then to the Gentiles.  That small remnant of PREDESTINIED or "the goal set out that they would be CONFORMED to Christ: not to go to heaven or hell.


Is. 49:1 Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far;
        The LORD hath called me from the womb;
        from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.
Is. 49:2 And he hath made my MOUTH like a sharp sword;  [sword of the Spirit]
        in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me,
        and made me a polished shaft;
        in his quiver hath he hid me;
Is. 49:3 And SAID unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

When God's SPIRIT operates it always produces WORDS: The Word or Losos is God's Regulative Principle which shows how one may be saved.

Prov. 1:23
Turn you at my reproof:  [be converted]
behold, I will POUR out MY SPIRIT unto you,
         I will make known MY WORDS unto you.

POUR OUT: Prō-fĕro to carry out, bring forth, produce

I.A. To carry or bring out, to bring forth (class.; cf.: prodo, produco, adduco):

2.Of pronunciation, to utter, pronounce (post-Aug.): “extremas syllabas,” 
3.To extend, enlarge (class.): “castra, Caes, B. C. 1, 81: et proferre libet fines,Juv. 14, 142: “pomoerium,Gell. 13, 14, 2.—
4. Mode of speech, language, use of language, style:
tenui oratione et scripturā levi,Ter. Phorm. prol. 5
Is. 44:3
For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, [The Word in Isaiah 55]
        and floods upon the dry ground:
I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, a
        nd my blessing upon thine offspring:

Is. 59:21
As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord;
My SPIRIT that is upon thee,
        and my WORDS which I have put in thy MOUTH,
 shall not depart out of thy mouth,
        nor out of the mouth of thy seed,
        nor out of the mouth of thy seed’s seed, saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever.
Is. 49:4 Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain:
        yet surely my judgment is with the LORD, and my work with my God.
Is. 49:5 And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him,
        Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD,
        and my God shall be my strength.


And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob,
........[1] and to restore the PRESERVE of Israel:
........[2] I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles,
........[3] THAT thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. Isa 49:6

Salvation is Yeshuwah! God chooses those who DO NOT repudiate Him by THEIR OWN SINS.

Thus saith the Lord, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One,
        to him whom
man despiseth,
        to him whom the
nation abhorreth,
        to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship,
        because of the Lord that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel,
        and he shall
choose thee. Isa 49:7

H977 bâchar baw-khar' A primitive root; properly to try, that is, (by implication) select: acceptable, appoint, choose (choice), excellent, join, be rather, require.

  1. to choose, elect, decide for
    1. (Qal) to choose
    2. (Niphal) to be chosen
    3. (Pual) to be chosen, selected
KJV (172) - acceptable, 1; appoint, 1; choice, 6; choose, 77; choose...out, 5; chosen, 77; chosen men, 1; excellent, 1; not translated, 1; rather, 1; require, 1;
NAS (169) - choice, 6; choicest, 2; choose, 40; chooses, 22; choosing, 1; chose, 21; chosen, 67; desired, 2; men, 1; preferred, 1; require, 1; select, 1; selected, 1; selected from the choice, 1; selects, 1; tested, 1;

Isa 41:8 - But thou, Israel, art my servant,
        Jacob whomI have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.
Jacob warned against assembling or entering into covenant with LEVI but to wait for Shiloh (REST) out of Judah.
Paul connects Christians saved by baptism to the Covenant made with Abraham.
Isa 41:9 - Thou whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called thee from the chief men thereof, and said unto thee,
        Thou art my servant;I have chosen thee, and not cast thee away.
Isa 48:10 - Behold,I have REFINED thee, but not with silver;I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.

Isa 49:7 - Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee.
Isa 66:3 - He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

Isa 66:4 - I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because whenI called, none did answer; whenI spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in whichI delighted not.

Thus saith the Lord, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee:
........ .[1] and I will PRESERVE thee,
........ .[2] and give thee for a COVENANT of the people,
........ .[3] to establish the earth, to cause to
................inherit the desolate heritages; Isa 49:8

Reserved does not mean predestiated but:

Amos 9:7 Are ye not as children
        of the Ethiopians unto me, O children of Israel?
saith the Lord.
        Have not I brought up Israel out of the land of Egypt?
        and the Philistines from Caphtor,
        and the Syrians from Kir?
Amos 9:8 Behold, the eyes of the Lord God are upon the sinful kingdom,
        and I will destroy it from off the face of the earth;
        saving that I will not utterly destroy the house of Jacob, saith the Lord.
Amos 9:9 For, lo, I will command,
        and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations,
        like as corn is sifted in a sieve,
        yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
Amos 9:10 All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword,
        which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.
Amos 9:11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen,
        and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins,
        and I will build it as in the days of old:
Amos 9:12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom,
        and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the Lord that doeth this.

Esaias also crieth concerning Israel,
........ Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea,
........ a REMNANT shall be saved: Ro.9:27

Is.  10:20 And it shall come to pass in that day,
        that the REMNANT of Israel,
        and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob,
        shall no more again stay upon him that smote them;
        but shall stay upon the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.
Is. 10:21 The REMNANT shall return,
        even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God.

For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea,
........ yet a REMNANT of them shall return:
........ the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness. Isa 10:22

But what saith the answer of God unto him?
........ I have reserved to myself seven thousand men,
........ who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. Ro.11:4

Kataleipo (g2641) kat-al-i'-po; from 2596 and 3007; to leave down, i.e. behind; by impl. to abandon, have remaining: - forsake, leave, reserve.

God chooses or reserves those who do not bow to Baal.

For what purpose does God choose or preserve those who obey Hiis will?

Is. 49:9 That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places.
Is. 49:10 They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.

He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias. Jn.1:23

The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. Is.40:3

And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt. Is.11:16

And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein. Is.35:8

Is. 49:11 And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted.
Is. 49:12 Behold, these shall come from far: and, lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim.
Is. 49:13 Sing, O heavens; and be joyful, O earth; and break forth into singing, O mountains: for the LORD hath comforted his people, and will have mercy upon his afflicted.
Is. 49:14 But Zion said, The LORD hath forsaken me, and my Lord hath forgotten me.
Is. 49:15 Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee.
Is. 49:16 Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me.
Is. 49:17 Thy children shall make haste; thy destroyers and they that made thee waste shall go forth of thee.
Is. 49:18 Lift up thine eyes round about, and behold: all these gather themselves together, and come to thee. As I live, saith the LORD, thou shalt surely clothe thee with them all, as with an ornament, and bind them on thee, as a bride doeth.
Is. 49:19 For thy waste and thy desolate places, and the land of thy destruction, shall even now be too narrow by reason of the inhabitants, and they that swallowed thee up shall be far away.
Is. 49:20 The children which thou shalt have, after thou hast lost the other, shall say again in thine ears, The place is too strait for me: give place to me that I may dwell.
Is. 49:21 Then shalt thou say in thine heart, Who hath begotten me these, seeing I have lost my children, and am desolate, a captive, and removing to and fro? and who hath brought up these? Behold, I was left alone; these, where had they been?

Is. 49:22 Thus saith the Lord GOD,
        Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles,
        and set up my standard to the people:
        and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders.

Is. 49:23 And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and their queens thy nursing mothers: they shall bow down to thee with their face toward the earth, and lick up the dust of thy feet; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD: for they shall not be ashamed that wait for me.
Is. 49:24 Shall the prey be taken from the mighty, or the lawful captive delivered?

Is. 49:25 But thus saith the LORD,
        Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken away,
        and the prey of the terrible shall be delivered:
        for I will contend with him that contendeth with thee,
        and I will save thy children.
Ariyc (h6184) aw-reets'; from 6206; fearful, i. e. powerful or tyrannical: - mighty, oppressor, in great power, strong, terrible, violent.
Is. 49:26 And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh;
        and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine:
        and all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer,
        the mighty One of Jacob.

I the Lord
the mighty One of Jacob. thy Saviour

thy Redeemer

Aciyc (h6071) aw-sees'; from 6072; must or fresh grape-juice (as just trodden out): - juice, new (sweet) wine.

And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth out of the house of the Lord, and shall water the valley of Shittim. Jl.3:18

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt. Am.9:13


Rom. 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid.
        For I also am an Israelite, of the SEED of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom. 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. 
        [God knew the tiny remnant BEFORE]
        Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias?
        how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom. 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets,
        and digged down thine altars;
        and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom. 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him?
        I have RESERVED to myself seven thousand men,
        who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

G2641.  kataleipo, kat-al-i´-po; from 2596 and 3007; to leave down, i.e. behind; by implication, to abandon, have remaining: — forsake, leave, reserve.

Rom. 11:5 Even so then at this
          also there IS A REMNANT
          according to the
ELECTION of grace.
Rom. 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works:
         otherwise grace is no more grace. [The Law of Moses which no one could keep]
         But if it be of works, then is it no more grace:
         otherwise work is no more work.

This Seven Thousand men had been converted before the city was destroyed.

Acts 4:4 Howbeit many of them which heard the word believed;
        and the number of the men was about five thousand.

Only Jews who God KNEW BEFORE were preserved as an ELECT REMNANT who existed at THAT PRESENT TIME.
  Gentiles were elected or invited and they became the Sons of Abraham.

David Lawrence got his finances in order and jumped ship OPENLY at the Covenant Presbyterian Church, Nashville.

PREREVIEW: Tim Alexander Romans: All to God's Glory.  We will post the entire book of Romans and add some of Tim's opinions and will mostly link to other reviews. It is clear that all predestinators and faith-only people have never read the actual events in the Old Testament to which Paul points. Specificially in Romans 9-10 he DENIES that the Jews were predestinated becuase they fell from grace because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai.

Thoughts on Biblical Teachings: Otis Charlton
For 33 years I served as an elder of the Smith Springs Church of Christ in Nashville, Tennessee. After having resigned from that position almost ten years ago, I still have the same shepherding concerns.

8.30.08 David Lawrence How We are Saved part A  David says that we THINK that we have free will. However, after we have made a choice it turns out that we had no choice at all. Most of us would say that once we have made a choice to do somethen then we have exhausted or choce and must suffer the consequences.

David Lawrence (Lipscomb) and Danny Hale, elder of Smith Springs church of Christ--now Engedi-run--are exposed by their published articles and those who have been TRAPPED into a troubling encounter. Of course,
John Mark Hicks of Lipscomb got his Phd from the Calvinists. He sees the RISING UP TO PLAY at sacrificial feasts in the Old Testament as what Paul wants us to do in the Lord's Supper. Feeding the hungry "gods" you know who often showed up as Beelzebub, the Lord of the Flies blowing dead flesh and the DUNG-GOD.

Engedi grows The Apple of Sodom, or Dead Sea apple, is a fruit said to grow on or near the site of the biblical Sodom; it turns to smoke and ashes when plucked. Environmental extremes tolerated: Arid.

New: In one "devotional" David Lawrence claims that he tests what he TEACHES by the FRUIT which it bears. Romans 14  EXCLUDES private diversities from being dialoged in "church." Then in Romans 15 Paul defined the "synagogue" which "never had a praise service." It was outlawed in the wilderness and the synagogue never did "music."  Paul defines the church as "teaching that which is written" using words which exclude MUSIC.

David Lawrence now calls the mostly-discredited system "the doctrines of grace" as opposed ot CALVINISM.  Maybe that is because John Calvin claimed that people who claimed that the "Spirit" operated outside of the Word were fanatics.  Martin Luther defined Sola Gratia and Sola Fide as based on Sola Scriptura: He said that you cannot have FAITH unless you read it in SCRIPTURE and because Scripture demands baptism he really also said 'Sola Baptisma."

It is my understanding that:

  1. Two of the elders who were instrumental in bringing this new teaching into 
  2. Former members estimate that half of the congregation was chased off over this divisive doctrine.  Doznens of Baptist churches have already split over this in recent years. Will our fellowship be it's next victim?
  3. Another prominent supporter of Engedi is one of Smith Spring's former pulpit ministers, David Gaylor.  He recently resigned his position as elder at Smith Springs in order to take the pulpit position at the Vultee Congregation. One cannot help but wonder if he will try to carefully and methodically introduce Calvinism to that congregation also.
  4. Smith Springs is still the home to two professors at Lipscomb University: Dr. Lawrence and their song leader, G. Wilson.  However, Lawrence is not allowed to exert his influence at LU.  However, he boasts about ministering to students who have doubt.
  5. We understand that the former music minister is in prison!
Another fruits is leading young people into hyper-Calvinism which has mostly been repudiated as making God worse than Hitler is:

Artios Academy of Nashville: false Teachings reviewed.

Many Calvinist Churches hide the implications of Predestination from most of their students. The doctrines of Election and the lack of Free Will sounds like it is giving GOD the glory. They preach that people should be saved by FAITH ONLY and that is appealing. However, what of the destiny of the people who
never get the HIGH FIVE that they are one of God's select few? Instead, it STEALS all of the glory from the OLD God and even Jesus Christ by putting the focus on the HOLY SPIRIT. The ONLY way to give God the glory and treat Him as at least an EQUAL is to listen to His Words and obey them. The Doctors of the Law and Pharisees rejected BAPTISM and therefore failed to justify God. That is, they called God a liar. They rejected His Counsel and took the glory to themselves. The Jews also believed that God selected them to be preserved, but God selected them as ministers to teach God's righteousness to ALL of the 70 nations. This seemed to give God the glory but they really came to feel superior, despised others and were self-deluded into the worship of the CREATURE and not the CREATOR. These reviews have been requested by those who have grasped the extent of the teachings. Most of the Calvinistic teachings are delivered in small doses so it is not possible to get a coherent picture.
Engedi.org The Goat Springs
For all of its work, the springs end in the Dead Sea
Concerned Members Forum Discussing David Lawrence at Smith Springs Church of Christ.

NEW TODAY 11/21/03: 1 Peter 1. The ELECT are the INVITED. They are the CALLED of the Ekklesia or church. We respond to the invitation by faith and baptism.

The boast of David Lawrence probably speaking of his inculcating at David Lipscomb University:

David Lawrence: "Now this reformed once recalcitrant legalist has the opportunity to reach thousands through the various avenues of this ministry and by personal interaction with university students to help others to see the really good news of a gospel of joy and assurance.

Of course, Calvinism SEEMS like good news but its effects are devestating. The very rare person who is absolutely confident that they are predestinated to salvation may seem happy but they are loosing the meaning of Discipleship. The majority who never get a SIGN of God's approval are led into despair and into suicide before Calvinism was swept under the rugs by most churches.

Those who have had to leave their own property reject both the false dogma and the take over of the teaching:

One Respondent on the forum notes on Smith Springs Church of Christ.

"I've attended a congregation that has become home to many of the wounded families who have fled from Smith Springs over all of this in recent years. It's amazing how many of them share a similar story. If they pointed out scriptures or quotes from noted theologians which exposed some of the obvious inconsistencies of the Calvinistic system, or Reformed theology,

they were accused of not approaching the Bible with an open mind, or not having the right spirit, or of being legalist attempting to take glory from God. It is a demeaning diversion that seemed to have worked on several, but it is just to bypass the real point:

What is being taught, and why is it that most of the Christian world rejects their ideas, as Engedi even admitted. (see devo link, 03.17.03) Is everyone else just not chosen to see it? And how come these concepts somehow got completely overlooked for the first 500 years of the church?

Another respondent:

"This type of control is an extremely frightening arena and is highly volatile politically (pick a dictator, any dictator), corporately (Enron & Co.), in families (an abuser who says 'you made me hurt you') but especially religiously (Jim Bakker, Jim Jones, etc.)

These situations often have agonizing outcomes as the sometimes passive-aggressive leaders (who incidentally are usually extremely sincere, at least in the religion area)

begin to lose their grip and the average guy in the pew begins to realize that they have been LIVING OUT the fable of THE KINGS NEW CLOTHES.

While on the dole of churches of Christ the goal is to continually berate the churches of Christ. This is the well used Hegelin Dialect used by those who boast of INFILTRATING and DIVERTING to change the church into a VENUE FOR ROCK AND ROLE or into a THEATER FOR HOLY ENTERTAINMENT. The deliberate sowers of discord to bring about SCHIZOPHRENIA often steal THE COMMUNITY CHURCH logo. This is happening especially with Presbyterians.

"The gospel of Calvinism is likewise good news - but only if your are one of the elect" (see 12.23.03). "..to the non-elect.it is an eternal death sentence."

"Calvinism is, in many of its facets, a human philosophic system. It is a constantly divisive element in the church."

My brother, who has studied this quite a bit while in seminary, says that this is probably along the lines of the Presbyterian PCA (as opposed to the Presbyterians USA or the Cumberland Presbyterian factions.)

The PCA, the newest of their schisms, was founded in the 1970's, and they were so aware of their past track record that they've semi-officially encouraged some of their congregations to primarily focus their identity as a 'Community Church' in several cases. He also says to not get distracted in your study by the 'slander' charges or their other common claim when faced with obviously conflicting Biblical concepts: 'it's just a mystery of God that we can't understand'; that has become their ROOK card for years. The New Testament is pretty clear about the mysteries it refers to (often regarding Gentiles being saved.) The only mystery here is how unsuspecting people have been thrown off by this line for so many years.

PCA sees getting on the Campus as a primary tool of evangelism. Too bad that our Campus Ministries have been diverted. Also see the 1995 proof.

"How to have eternal life Administrative Committee serves the Church by providing the ecclesiastical and administrative functions enabling churches, presbyteries and the General Assembly to fulfill their ministries.Reformed University Fellowship (RUF)

seeks to communicate the gospel
by sending ordained PCA ministers to serve on the college campus,
to equip students to live all of life under the Lordship of Christ.

"Christian Education and Publication Serves the PCA through teaching and training leaders and members of churches and providing resources for the equipping and building of the church. Mission to the World the mission agency that exists to advance the body of Christ worldwide by identifying, selecting, training and empowering men and women focused on the tasks of evangelism and church planting worldwide. Mission to North America is a Christ-centered organization dedicated to providing the leadership and the resources enabling the PCA to plant, grow, and multiply churches throughout North America.

Covenant Theological Seminary is a graduate theological school committed to training servants of the triune God

to interpret and communicate God's Word, and to lead Gods people.

"Covenant College is Christ-centered institution, emphasizing liberal arts, that serves the PCA and the wider public, by teaching students to discern and unfold the implications of Christ's pre-eminence in all things.

Engedi is a revealing MARK. First, it is a spring in the desert. This may presume to say that only Engedi's Calvinism is the only FRESH WATER among a desert of those they propose to mislead:

"Engedi - fountain of the kid, place in the wilderness of Judah (Josh. 15:62), on the western shore of the Dead Sea (Ezek. 47:10), and nearly equidistant from both extremities. To the wilderness near this town David fled for fear of Saul (Josh. 15:62; 1 Sam. 23:29). It was at first called Hazezon-tamar (Gen. 14:7), a city of the Amorites.

"The vineyards of Engedi were celebrated in Solomon's time (Cant. 1:4). It is the modern 'Ain Jidy. The "fountain" from which it derives its name rises on the mountain side about 600 feet above the sea, and in its rapid descent spreads luxuriance all around it. Along its banks the osher grows abundantly. That shrub is thus described by Porter: "The stem is stout, measuring sometimes nearly a foot in diameter, and the plant grows to the height of 15 feet or more. It has a grayish bark and long oval leaves, which when broken off discharge a milky fluid. The fruit resembles an apple, and hangs in clusters of two or three. When ripe it is of a rich yellow colour, but on being pressed it explodes like a puff-ball. It is chiefly filled with air...This is the so-called 'apple of SODOM.'"

If you look up ENGEDI you will discover that it literally means THE PLACE OF WATERING FOR THE GOATS. It was the DWELLING PLACE of the Amorites.

Jesus defined Himself as the ONLY source of Living waters: the WORD which went forth from Jerusalem when the Apostles began to evangelize. Out in the desert lies Engedi, north of Masada where hundreds committed suicide.

Engedi is also Hazazon-Tamar which defines DIVISION. it is made up of two parts:

FIRST, the Hebrew

Chacac (h2686) khaw-tsats'; a prim. root [comp. 2673 to CUT OR DIVIDE]; prop. to CHOP into, PIERCE or server; hence to CURTAIL, to distribute (into ranks); as denom. from 2671, to SHOOT an ARROW: - archer, * bands, cut off in the midst.

This word is translated:

The LOCUSTS have no king, yet go they forth all of them by BANDS; Pr.30:27

This word is used in the same sense that arrows cut or abrade:

The clouds poured out water: the skies sent out a sound: thine arrows also went abroad Ps.77:17

Bread of deceit is sweet to a man; but afterwards his mouth shall be filled with gravel.Pr.20:17

Sodom's Apple: When ripe it is of a rich yellow colour, but on being pressed it explodes like a puff-ball. It is chiefly filled with air...This is the so-called 'apple of SODOM.'"

He hath also broken my teeth with gravel stones, he hath covered me with ashes. Lam.3:1

The last part of the word is TAMAR which speaks of sitting under palm trees. A woman wearing that name seduced Judah. You remember that TAMAR, Judah's daughter in law trapped Judah into PAWNING the scepter of his KINGDOM because CANAAN got him drunk. Well, the WEB OF "POSSIBLE" MEANING GOES ON AND ON. You remember that the Jews looked to their OWN SPRINGS as the source of living waters and ENGEDI looks to the place of DIVIDING and SHOOTING ARROWS. You know, MELODY or PSALLO'S primary meaning is to TWANG BOW STRINGS TO SEND SINGING ARROWS INTO THE HEART OF THE ENEMY. David Lawrence also says that we had to wait for CHURCH COUNCILS to define things like the trinity and predestination.


To many, Calvinism goes against the whole flow of New Testament teaching. It substitutes a vengeful, capricious and merciless God, for the loving Father of Jesus's teachings. The price paid for unravelling the tangled knot of Lutheran logic is too high. In order to avoid the need for Good Works, the Gospel has been distorted out of all recognition. Jesus's teachings make little sense under Calvinism, and make no sense at all if we do not have Free Will to act on them. In addition Calvinism has led to..

1. Fatalism. What is the point of evangelising, if it is already decided who is to be saved? Similarly, if a person is starving or in need, God has put him in that position, so there is no need to do anything about it.

2. A Tribal Consciousness. Groups and Nationalities began to see themselves as "Chosen by God". Other peoples, not being so "chosen", could be treated harshly. Calvinist groups are seen as exacerbating divisions in places like Ireland, the USA and South Africa. (See: By their Fruits)

This is nowhere better proven and illustrated than by those who SECRETLY BRING IN DAMNABLE HERESIES so they can appropriate the "CHURCH HOUSES OF WIDOWS" and leave them out in the cold.

Buy the Book: Institutes of Christian Religion: 1536 Edition Calvin.

Buy the Book: Discourse on Free Will Erasmus Luther

Some of our reviews linked to Engedi.org web pages and David Lawrence.

-# 1: David Lawrence of David Lipscomb on predestination Number One.

# 2: A Look at Galatians 3 on PREDESTINATION to a system of FAITH like Abraham who was justified because he obeyed all of God's commands and decrees.

#3: David Lawrence: Predestination Acts 11:8 and 2 Timothy 2

Calvin, Predestination and Molech.

Shepherd of Hermes

We believe that David Lawrence and Engedi uses the typical proof text and plays loose with historical evidence.

It is probable that many once- Christian Universities have slipped into the same error and you should be prewarned:

C. Leonard Allen (ACU ) and Richard T. Hughes: ---Royce Money ACU---Carrol D. Osburn ACU

Carrol Osburn speaks of the university training PROPHETS, Chanellers and Facilitators to go out and spreach the false dogma.

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