Elaine Heath ACU Summit 2012

Elaine Heath represents ACU's move against the founders and against the Word of God.  I think that she is a lovely person but by necessity speaks from the field of theology--for which there was no certificate of need--and not from the Bible. Notes taken from a lecture and "The Mystic Way of Evangelism." That's the women's way: you can't fool old Paul whose Scripture remains untouched by hammers and anvils.

Walter Brueggemann: The process of interpretation which precludes final settlement on almost all questions is evident in the Bible itself. A stunning case in point is the Mosaic teaching in Deuteronomy 23:1-8 that bans from the community all those with distorted sexuality and all those who are foreigners.

In Isaiah 56:3-8 this Mosaic teaching is overturned in the Bible itself, offering what Herbert Donner terms an intentional "abrogation" of Mosaic law through new teaching.
        The old, no doubt circumstance-driven exclusion
        is answered by a circumstance-driven inclusiveness.

Walter Brueggemann etal do not grasp that Moses is writing an inverted version of the Egyptian--Babylonian religions which used and abused emasculated males as priests of the mother goddesses.  Isaiah still outlaws these charismatic worship ministers but proves that being emasculated may not be for purposes of being a "worship minister."  Paul in Philippians 3 and Galatians still outlaws them from the ekklesia (same as in Deut).  Therefore, once again the Word saves itself from doctors of the law whom, says Jesus, take away the key to knowledge.   A cappella in fact identifies the emasculated opera singers imported to the Sistine Chapel (cappella, caper, she-goat, tragedy singers)

Notes taken from a lecture and "The Mystic Way of Evangelism."  Music is derived from mystery which among the females was devoted to Sophia (Zoe) and all kinds of evil, while the mature, masculine was devoted to the Logos or Word.  Jesus was ordained to be both Lord and Christ to be the Logos or the spoken wisdom of God. That is why a qahal, synagogue or Church of Christ in the wilderness was (is) a Word of God only School of God in Christ

Paul warned about the women mystics and that is why the TEXT absolutely refuses them to have a public role which is justified when women begin to impose just what he warned about..

Romans 14 Doubtful Disputations.Livy, History of Rome, Book XXXIX, Bacchanalibus

First, then, a great part of them are women, and this was the source of the evil; the rest are males, but nearly resembling women; actors and pathics in the vilest lewdness; night revelers, driven frantic by wine, noises of instruments, and clamors.

Paul understood these "mysteries" which were "done in the dark" and prohibited in Rome and in Romans 14 outlawed the Dionysic or Orphics having "doubtful disputation" or private opinions which did not edify or educate with "that which is written for our learning" (Romans 15).

Heath and others claim Holy Spirit Guidance and uses select passages to prove that the Word of God fits culture and that a Holy Spirit directs them to define truth.  Whatever comes out of "theology," it should never be used to change the Word of God.  Women in ministry for which there is no Biblical role or dole attempts to acquire that which Christ gave only to the elders as masculine Pastor-Teachers with the only authority to "teach that which has been taught." Elaine claims the purely judgmental baptism of WIND and FIRE in the upper room was for modern women in ministry. She further uses Joel's prophecy of prophesying young girls (soothsaying) as present authority.

Livy: Hispala then gave a full account of the origin of the mysteries. At first," she said, "those rites were performed by women. No man used to be admitted. They had three stated days in the year on which persons were initiated among the Bacchanalians, in the daytime. The matrons used to be appointed priestesses, in rotation.
        Paculla Minia, a Campanian, when priestess,
        made an alteration in every particular,
        as if by the direction of the gods.

1Th.5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

Eze.8:12 Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, The Lord seeth us not; the Lord hath forsaken the earth.

The Women Lamenting for Tammuz

However, Christ in Zechariah claimed that after God had washed away the menstrual blood of the mother goddesses that anyone who CONTINUED to prophesy should be put to death by their parents. Cyrus was told how to neuterize the males:

Grant, then, forgiveness to the Lydians, and to make sure of their never rebelling against thee,
        or alarming thee more,
        send and forbid them to keep any weapons of war,
        command them to wear tunics under their cloaks, and to put buskins upon their legs,
                and make them bring up their sons to cithern-playing (Kitharizein),
(psallein),.and shop-keeping (Hucksterism).
                So wilt thou soon see them
become women instead of men,
                and there will be no more fear of their revolting from thee."

If changed culture means a new understanding of the once for all delivered Word.  It would be nice if such once-Christian colleges would not pretend to represent Christ who is STILL Lord and Master as The Holy Spirit having returned to rule over His Church, the invisible kingdom of God.

"Heath is an ordained minister in the United Methodist Church, the McCreless Associate Professor of Evangelism at Southern Methodist University, and the Director of the Center for Missional Wisdom. She is the founder of New Day, a network of new monastic communities in the United Methodist tradition, and of the Epworth Project, a scholarship that provides seminary and college students opportunities to experience monastic rhythms of prayer and hospitality while living in households of intentional community. 

Ray Simpson: Contemporary Celtic Christianity:

A rash of solutions are offered, such as:

            cell church
            purpose-driven churches (c.f. Rick Warren)
            culture-friendly church services (c.f. Willow Creek)
            network or association churches
            mission-shaped churches
            fresh expressions (c.f. Anglicans and Methodists in Britain)

I and others believe that if these experiments are to turn the global tide they need to embrace:

                 roots - in the land and its pivotal apostles, in scripture and silence
                 rhythms - of prayer, work and nature's seasons
                 relationships - to the Trinity, soul friends and the wider church.


That pattern was never changed since Stephen defines the ekklesia as this Church of Christ in the Wilderness. It was to Rest, Read and Rehears the Word of God and excluded "vocal or instrumental rejoicing" including elevated forms of speech.  Jesus debunked the monastics and commanded evangelists to GO and teach and observe what HE commanded to be taught and observed.  He said that the kingdom of God is within us and does not come with observation:
Lk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

Again, Christ in the wilderness defined the Church as a set-time-place to READ the Word of God and discuss it: even the Lord's Supper is a teaching or educating event.  Anything performed a religious observation or ritual is a sign of a DEAD BODY: that's when the ministry team will pick your bones and pick the purse of the widows.Latin:

Observātiō ōnis, observo, a watching, observance, investigation: observationes animadvertebant, your searches for evidence: siderum.— Circumspection, care, exactness: summa in bello movendo.

Religious observations are carefully crafted to take control of all of one's attention. That is the worship concept with is to be directed only to God.

Tendo: In the pagan religions they gave lots of attention to tuning or playing their musical  instruments: cornu,” “barbiton,to tune, “tympana tenta tonant palmis, stretching out their bow strings. To shoot, to hurl.

(b). To exert one's self, to strive, endeavor (mostly poet.
b. n partic., to exert one's self in opposition, to strive, try, endeavor, contend  adversus, etc.,id. 34, 34, 1: “contra,
Lucr. 6, 1195: “tormento citharāque tensior,” [Tendo]
2. In partic.: “nervum tendere, in mal. part.,Auct. Priap. 70; cf. Mart. 11, 60, 3.—Hence, tentus, a lecherous man,
ēlŏquĭum , ii, n. id..
I. In Aug. poets, and their imitators among prose writers, for eloquentia, eloquence, * Hor. A. P. 217; * Verg. A. 11, 383; Ov. Tr. 1, 9, 46; id. M. 13, 63; 322 al.; Vell. 2, 68, 1; Plin. 11, 17, 18, § 55.—
II. In late Lat., declaration, communication in gen., Diom. p. 413 P.; Mamert. Pan. Maxim. 9: “eloquia pulchritudinis,fine words, Vulg. Gen. 49, 21; id. Prov. 4, 20 al.


Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: 
        yet we did esteem him
stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

Is. 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, 
        he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him;
        and with his stripes we are healed.
Wounded is
H2490 châlal
khaw-lal'  (by implication) to wound, to dissolve; figuratively to profane (a person, place or thing), to break (one’s word), to begin (as if by an opening-wedge); denominatively (from H2485 ) to play (the flute): defile,break, defile, X eat (as common things), takeinheritance, pipe, player on instruments, pollute, (cast as) profane (self), prostitute, slay (slain), sorrow, stain, wound.
Is. 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way;
        and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: 
        he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, 
        so he openeth not his mouth. Isa 53:7

DSS: "In the Hymns of Thanksgiving in the Dead Sea Scrolls
we are confronted with a number of references to music which are, 
as in some Pauline passages, mere
rhetorical device;

They roared abuse of me
........... To the Play of the lyre
And in mocking-songs
........... uttered their sneers (ch. V)

I sat not in the assembly of the mockers, nor rejoiced; I sat alone because of thy hand: for thou hast filled me with indignation. Jer 15:17


Matthew 8:19 And a certain scribe [doctors of the law] came, and said unto him,
        Master, I will follow thee whithersoever thou goest.
Matthew 8:20 And Jesus saith unto him,
        The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests;
        but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

Matthew 8:21 And another of his disciples said unto him,
        Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
Matthew 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.
Matthew 8:23 And when he was entered into a ship, his disciples followed him.

However the Scribes (doctors of the law) refused to follow Jesus in GOING OUT to preach and attending the synagogue to teach: it had no preaching, music or collection plates.


Elaine Heath says in a lecture that Jesus DID have a home

This seems to say that Jesus was not honest when He said that He did not have a place to lay His head.  This "save house" seems to validate the New Monastic Houses where a commune has a better chance to capture the lost. Sounds spooky to me.
Erasmus The Clergy

And truly, though there are few others that less willingly acknowledge the kindnesses I have done them, yet even these too stand fast bound to me upon no ordinary accounts;

while being happy in their own opinion, and as if they dwelt in the third heaven, they look with haughtiness on all others as poor creeping things and could almost find in their hearts to pity them; while hedged in with so many magisterial definitions, conclusions, corollaries, propositions explicit and implicit, they abound with so many starting-holes that Vulcan's net cannot hold them so fast, but they'll slip through with their distinctions, with which they so easily cut all knots asunder that a hatchet could not have done it better, so plentiful are they in their new-found words and prodigious terms.

Besides, while they explicate the most hidden mysteries according to their own fancy--as how the world was first made; how original sin is derived to posterity; in what manner, how much room, and how long time Christ lay in the Virgin's womb; how accidents subsist in the Eucharist without their subject.

And while they play the fool at this rate in their schools, they make account the universal church would otherwise perish,

unless, as the poets fancied of Atlas that he supported heaven with his shoulders,
they underpropped the other with their syllogistical buttresses.

Erasmus on The Monks
However, Jesus said
Matthew 8:14 And when Jesus was come into Peter’s house,
        he saw his wife’s mother laid, and sick of a fever.
Matthew 8:15 And he touched her hand, and the fever left her: and she arose, and ministered unto them.
Matthew 8:16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils:
        and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:
Matthew 8:17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,
        Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.
Matthew 8:18 Now when Jesus saw great multitudes about him,
        he gave commandment to depart unto the other side.

So, you see, collecting multitudes at a private "monastery" is not what what Jesus even thought about: He ordained in the wilderness that people in their local communities come to the Qahal, synagogue or Church of Christ (the Rock) in the wilderness. The only purpose driving the only commanded assembly was to Rest, Read and Rehearse the Word of God. By restricting this to mature males (only) the sexual attractants would be removed for that short period which had no sacraments, no putting on of apparel (clergy garb) and the SELF-pleasure (Romans 15) would be removed as commanded.

We know whose home Jesus left so that when He returned:

Jesus left Capernaum so that:
Mark 2:1NIV  A few days later, when Jesus again entered Capernaum, the people heard that he had come home.
Contrary to theology (doctors of the law take away the key to knowledge says the same Jesus) is the command of Jesus for the ONLY authorized evangelist was an imperative to GO.  The "house" or place to educate (only) with the Word of Christ (only) was ordained by Christ for the qahal, synagogue or Church of Christ in the wilderness.  This was a word of God only place of education and quarantine from the regular seventh days devoted to paganism.

 By looking at the context rather than using mystical imagination, we hear Mark tell us the facts. Jesus went HOME.
Mark 1:21 And they GO into Capernaum; and straightway on the sabbath day
        he entered into the synagogue and taught.
Mark 1:22 And they were astonished at his teaching:
        For he taught them as having authority,
        and not as the scribes.      

Christ in the prophets warns about the "lying pen of the Scribes." Jesus calls the Scribes, hypocrites. Christ in Ezekiel 33 named performance speakers, singers and instrument players.  This prophetic type warns about using some kind of makes-works-project to collectivize the masses.  Many  are called by few are chosen: tested as by fire.  Jesus calls the twos and threes to REST from the laded burden and burden laders and "learn of me."  The Christian Discipline cannot be magically changed into a popular cult able to attract people to the "monastic houses." For goodness sake, I would not want to go near such a place.

People attended synagogue--outside the came, gates or massed multitudes. That was the "safe house" with godly elders who guaranteed that no hokus pokus could be pulled by female dominated paganism.

Mark 1:23 And straightway there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit; and he cried out,
Mark 1:29 And straightway, when they were come out of the synagogue,
        they came into the house of Simon and Andrew, with James and John.
Mark 1:30 Now Simon’s wife’s mother lay sick of a fever; and straightway they tell him of her:
Mark 1:31 and he came and took her by the hand, and raised her up;
        and the fever left her, and she ministered unto them.
Mark 1:32 And at even, when the sun did set,
        they brought unto him all that were sick, [house of Simon and Andrew]
        and them that were possessed with demons.
Mark 1:33 And all the city was gathered together at the door.
Mark 1:34 And he healed many that were sick with divers diseases, and cast out many demons;
         and he suffered not the demons to speak, because they knew him.
In 1 Cor 10 the musical worship at Mount Sinai was demon worship.
Mark 1:35 And in the morning, a great while before day, he rose up and went out,
        and departed into a desert place, and there prayed.
Mark 1:36 And Simon and they that were with him followed after him;
The masses sought Jesus at the "house" because they thought that he would work magic and serve them.  Christ ordained that the people seek God's Word at the synagogue.
Mark 1:37 and they found him, and say unto him, All are seeking thee.
Mark 1:38 And he saith unto them,
        Let us GO elsewhere into the next towns,
        that I may preach there also; for to this end came I forth.
So, the imperative in the commands and examples of Jesus is for those who think they have the Word to go out and teach it without pastorizing it to make it pure.
Mark 1:39 And he went into their synagogues throughout all Galilee, preaching and casting out demons.
Mark 1:40 And there cometh to him a leper, beseeching him, and kneeling down to him,
        and saying unto him, If thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.
Mark 1:41 And being moved with compassion, he stretched forth his hand, and touched him,
        and saith unto him, I will; be thou made clean.
Mark 1:42 And straightway the leprosy departed from him, and he was made clean.
Mark 1:43 And he strictly charged him, and straightway sent him out,
Jesus almost got Himself tossed off a cliff--like a scapegoat--when He informed the people that there was and would not be many miracles.
Mark 1:44 and saith unto him, See thou say nothing to any man: but go show thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing the things which Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.
The healed leper debunked the mystical, monastic, centered-praying as a missional device. He used his OWN experience to replace the role of Jesus to present the Word as a simple Go-No-Go text of those OF FAITH.
Mark 1:45 But he WENT OUT and began to publish it much, and to spread abroad the matter, insomuch that Jesus could no more openly enter into a city, but was without in desert places: and they came to him from every quarter.
You see, nothing that happens to any person has any relevance to the power of the Gospel: all of the testifiers just muddles the power of the Word of the Living Word. Elaine wants a new baptism of fire: speaking in tongues which would prove that God is working miracles in THEIR
Mark 2:1ASV And again he entered into Capernaum, after some days; and it was noised that he was in the house.
The antecedent is the HOUSE OF PETER: Peter's Mother in law lived there.  Jesus did not own a house and Jesus did not set up a local monastic commune: he WENT OUT and He commanded anyone with a call on food and clothing to GO and preach the Gospel.

Jesus came to seek and save the lost: He does not need any machinery to manipulate people into being disciples. Those OF truth or OF faith will recognize the SIGN of someone sent to save them OUT of the World.
Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized:
        and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Only those who obeyed the command to be baptized were saved or made into disciples of "what Jesus commanded to be taught."  Jesus sent out heralds (kerusso or presbyters) and they dared not tamper with the message they were simply delivering.

The pilgrims huddled together but God made certain that they were scattered into all the earth to take that simple message to the people.  They, too, would accept or reject that simple message without no hint that they should be put into nurseries.

Mark 2.1
Kai eiselthōn palin eis Kapharnaoum di' hēmerōn ēkousthē hoti en oikō estin:
Mark 2:1NIV  A few days later,
        when Jesus again entered Capernaum,
        the people heard that he had come home.

What was the "house" he left: that of Peter.
Mark 2:2 And straightway many were gathered together,
        insomuch that there was no room to receive them, no, not so much as about the door:
        and he preached the word unto them.

Jesus became the Son of a Father (not the daughter of a mother proven by the Dove) only after He was baptized.  Jesus as the mouth and lips spoke only  what He received from the Father.  Thereafter, only the Prophets by Christ and the prophecies made more certain were THE "memory" left by the eye- and ear- witnesses.  This would MARK false teachers.

The Spirit (Wind or Breath] "Has been poured out" is a one-time event: it marked the Spirit of Judgment and the Spirit of Fire.  If you have received this pouring then YOU should be able to do what Jesus or the Apostles (none else) could do.
Mark 2:3 And they come unto him, bringing one sick of the palsy, which was borne of four.
Mark 2:4 And when they could not come nigh unto him for the press,
        they uncovered the roof where he was:
        and when they had broken it up, they let down the bed wherein the sick of the palsy lay.
Mark 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.
Mark 2:6 But there were certain of the scribes [Doctors of the Law, hypocrites says Jesus]
        sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,
Mark 2:7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?

This seems to make the monastic "safe house" flung open for all.

You can play witchcraft and imagine all you wish but whatever is "revealed" is what you hallucinate in your "lord, lord saying" which is prophesying and MARKS those who refuse to do what Jesus sayd.
Genesis 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,
        and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Genesis 8:21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart,
        I will not again curse the ground any more for man’s sake;
        for the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth;
        neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.
Deuteronomy 29:19 And it come to pass, when he heareth the words of this curse,
        that he bless himself in his heart, saying, I shall have peace,
        though I walk in the imagination of mine heart, to add drunkenness to thirst:

Elaine Heath: The nineteenth-century impetus for the right of women to preach and other women's rights came in large part from holiness pneumatology. The argument for gender and racial equality came from a careful reading and critucal exegesis of Scripture.  Since the Holy Spirit had given to all people, with Acts 2 describing sons and daughters, old and young alike receiving the gifts of public ministry, all people were equally worthy in the eyes of God. The Holy Spirit, not men and not religious institutions, determines the distribution of spiritual gifts. Heath p.92

Not possible without using contemplative dreaming.
Luss-a^ , Att. lutta^ ,2. after Hom., raging madness, frenzy, such as was caused by the gods, as that of 10, “lussēs pneumati margō A.Pr.883 (anap.); of Orestes, Id.Ch.287, E.Or.254, etc.; of the Proetides, B.10.102; of Bacchic frenzy, “elaphra l.E. Ba.851; thoai Lussas kunes, of the Furies, ib.977 (lyr.); “lussē parakoposAr.Th.680: strengthd., “l. maniasS.Fr.941.4; “lutta erōtikēPl.Lg.839a; l. alone, of raging love, Theoc.3.47; simply, rage,   fanaticism, “peri tas haireseis” [Heresy]

Eur. Ba. 851 Dionysus
Women, the man is caught in our net. He will go to the Bacchae, where he will pay the penalty with his death. Dionysus, now it is your job; for you are not far off. [850] Let us punish him.
        First drive him out of his wits, send upon him a dizzying madness,
        since if he is of sound mind he will not consent to wear women's clothing,
        but driven out of his senses he will put it on.
I want him to be a source of laughter to the Thebans, led through the city in [855] women's guise after making such terrible threats in the past. But now I will go to fit on Pentheus the dress he will wear to the house of Hades, slaughtered by his mother's hands. He will recognize the son of Zeus, [860] Dionysus, who is in fact a god, the most terrible and yet most mild to men.

Eur. Ba. 977

Go to the mountain, go, fleet hounds of Madness, where the daughters of Kadmos hold their company, and drive them raving [980] against the mad spy on the Maenads, the one dressed in women's attire. His mother will be the first to see him from a smooth rock or crag, as he lies in ambush, and she will cry out to the maenads: [985] “Who is this seeker of the mountain-going Kadmeans who has come to the mountain, to the mountain, Bacchae? Who bore him? For he was not born from a woman's blood, but is the offspring of some lioness [990] or of Libyan Gorgons.

Let manifest justice go forth, let it go with sword in hand, slaying through the throat [995] this godless, lawless, unjust, earth-born offspring of Echion.

Jesus of Nazareth IS The Holy Spirit: one mediator (in song and sermon) between man and God.

Eph. 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When HE ascended up on high,
        he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

Eph. 4:9 (Now that he ascended,
        what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?


Eph 4:10
He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens,
        that he might fill all things.)
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists;
        and some, pastors and teachers


Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Eph 4:13
Till we all come in 
        A. the unity of THE faith, and of
        B. the knowledge of the Son of God,
        C. unto a perfect MAN,
        D. unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:


YES: 2Pet. 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; 
        whereunto ye do well that ye take heed,
        as unto a light that shineth in a dark place,
        until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hear
NO:  2Pet. 1:20 Knowing this first,
        that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.


NO: 2Cor. 3:14 But their minds were blinded:
        for until this day remaineth
        the same vail untaken away
         in the reading of the old testament;
        which vail is done away in Christ.

2Cor. 3:15 But even unto this day,
        when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

YES: 2Cor. 3:16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord,
        the vail shall be taken away.


Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, 
        and carried about with every wind of doctrine,
        by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness
whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Panourgia (g3834) pan-oorg-ee'-ah; from 3835; adroitness, i.e. (in a bad sense) trickery or sophistry: - (cunning) craftiness, subtilty.

-Panourg-êma  A. knavish trick, villainy, S.El.1387 (lyr.), LXX Si.1.6 (v.l.); sophistry, Gal.5.251; cf. panourgeuma.
1Cor. 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you
        seemeth to be wise in this world,
        let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
1Cor. 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God.
        For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
1Cor. 3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

-Sophia A. cleverness or skill in handicraft and art, as in carpentry, tektonos, hos rha te pasēs eu eidē s. Il.15.412; of the Telchines, Pi.O.7.53; entekhnos s., of Hephaestus and Athena, Pl.Prt.32 1d; of Daedalus and Palamedes, X.Mem.4.2.33, cf. 1.4.2; in music and singing, tekhnē kai s. h.Merc.483, cf. 511; in poetry, Sol.13.52, Pi.O.1.117

-Panourg-os A. ready to do anything, wicked, knavish, b. panourgôs kataskeuazesthai to be adulterated, 3. of animals, as the fox,  E.Alc.766, {wine, music, funeral} Sophos, Hypokritikos
Eur. Alc. 766 Then taking an ivy-wood drinking-bowl in his hands and drinking unmixed wine, offspring of the dark grape, until the fire in it enveloped and warmed his heart, he garlanded his head with sprays of myrtle [760] and howled songs out of tune.
        There were two sorts of melody one could hear.
was singing, paying no attention to the trouble in Admetus' house,
        while we servants were bewailing our mistress.
But we did not show our faces in tears to the stranger, for those were Admetus' orders. [765] And now I must feast the stranger in our house, some knavish thief or brigand, while my mistress has left the house without my following or holding out my hand in mourning for her. She was like a mother to me and to the other servants


1Ti 2:3 For this is GOOD and ACCEPTABLE in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be SAVED, and to come unto the KNOWLEDGE of the TRUTHS.

1Timothy 2:8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.

At least one should take a look at the situation in which the young church as a School of Christ (only) found itself: you don't have to believe it but it seems clear that women tend toward the spectacular.

In the Orphic Hymn to Rhea: And Orphic.html
Now Rhea, as Ceres, in Hymn XIV, is called 'brass-sounding' and
. This has reference to the mystical results of certain sounds and rhythm, part and parcel of what the Hindus call Mantravidyâ.Music and Mantras, therefore, were used by the Orphics to attract, or call down, the influence of the Mother of the Gods, who at the same time was the 'Store-house of Life', of Divine Nature. Thus Proclus in his Commentary on Euclid (ii) tells us that 'the Pole of the World is called by the Pythagoreans the Seal of Rhea' (Myst. Hymns, p. 63)

14 Perceptive Arion, after he felt the whip, had realized that there was a different

114This is a reference to the star Capella, identified by Roman poets with Aege, the daughter of Olenos.

Hislop in Deification of the Child:

Zoe or Eve
or Capella gets the GLORY over Olenos (Adam) or Saturn, "the father of gods and men,"
but, in the progress of idolatry and apostacy, Rhea (Zoe), or Eve, came to get glory at Saturn's expense.
Saturn, or Adam, was represented as a morose divinity;
, or Eve, exceedingly benignant; and, in her benignity, she presented to her husband a stone bound in swaddling bands, which he greedily devoured, and henceforth the children of the cannibal father were safe.

Strabo Geography 10.3.15

[10.3.15] They invented names appropriate to the flute, and to
noises made by castanets, cymbals, and drums,
        and to their acclamations and shouts of "
ev-ah," and stampings of the feet;
        and they also invented some of the names by which to designate the
[homosexual, emasculated]
, choral dancers, and attendants upon the sacred rites,
        I mean "
Cabeiri" and "Corybantes" and "Pans" and "Satyri" and "Tityri,"

and they called the god "Bacchus," and Rhea [Eve] "Cybele" or "Cybebe" or "Dindymene" according to the places where she was worshipped. Sabazius also belongs to the Phrygian group and in a way is the child of the Mother, since he too transmitted the rites of Dionysus.

"The physiological act of sex and orgasm not only greatly enhances the prospects, but also fires up further excitement.

"Repeatedly induced states of orgasmic collapse can produce, and have been used to produce, states of deep trance."

This is precisely the sexual purpose of an orgy as religious rite, and, in part, what the Greek God APOLLO fed CYPARISSUS in the wilds. The orgia, from which our word orgy is derived, of THE MYSTERY RELIGIONS of DIONYSOS and his homosexual SATYRS, were (in addition to the magic mushrooms and other psychoactive potions) rituals of this kind.

Candidates for initiation into the KABIRI were crowned with a garland of olive and wore a purple band round their loins. The dancing was then begun.

In fact, homosexuality was part of the ritual, what the historians in their scholarly dungeons called their "most immoral tendencies." The purpose was to evoke a passage beyond earth to a higher life. That is, "to lead the worshipers into the presence of the gods."

That is, in their mystical dances, continued leaping into the air achieves a shamanic state of trance, a transfer of consciousness analogous to the transformation of the magician into a bird whereby the apprentice masters his powers to join a gay brotherhood "who, by nature, are superior to other men." Resource

And on and on and on.


[159] What we really need today are new tongues of fire, a new Pentecost in American.  This alone will open us to the divine hospitality that is so radical that the walls of gender, race, and class dissolve in its healing reach.  We need a Pentcostal outpouring that is about the love of God, a mighty wind that sweeps away the sinful cast systems that have deformed the Americal Church.  We need a baptism of cleansing that will heal the wounds of domestic violence and sexual abuse, that will liberate both the oppressed and the oppressor, tht will send God's people out of the church into their neighborhoods with God's redeeming and reconciling love....The untamed presence of the living God is the only power that can heal the threefold wound. Nothing else will do.
        I am talking about a widespread surrender and obedience to God the Holy Spirit.  Outside of North America, Pentecostalism is the fastest form of Christianity in the World.  It is pan-denominational. 

Tumors grow: Churches will always be despised and rejected of men. Pentecostals do NOT surrender.

This affirms ACU's calling down God's Holy Fire.

FROM ACU: "A major task facing our churches is the reintegration of the Old Testament into the regular teaching, thinking and practice of the church" (p. 49).

Carroll D. Osburn: The ACU Agenda: Trainers use Prophetic roles to Channel and Facilitate the method of subverting the 'hierarchial" views of Jesus and Paul. the end-time subversion is the beginninng-time version which is "Feminist hermeneutics stands over against patriarchal hermeneutics" its goal achieved "by small, often unnoticed acts of SUBVERSION. Numerous such incremental changes, like EROSION, will eventually bring down the FORTRESS " (WOMEN IN THE CHURCH: Reclaiming the Ideal p. 32).

Carroll D. Osburn: "There is major disagreement on whether one should use the Bible to undergird doctrines in a "proof-texting way, or whether one should allow doctrine to emerge from understanding texts in their literary and historical contexts. Certainly these differing views of Scripture lie behind differing views of women in the church" (p. 90).

"The Bible is not so much a 'heaven-sent answer book' as a historical book produced within and for a historical community-- yet it serves as Scripture today because people find themselves accountable to it. That is what make its Scripture" (p. 46).

These people have agreed as a merry band of men to use CODE WORDS to fool the fools. Therefore, they are playing the old shell game. Be warned that the PEA is under NEITHER shell. The goal of merging the Law of Moses-- added "because of transgression" (that being musical idolatry at mount Sina)-- is to then convince you that THERE IS NO Bible. Rubel Shelly defines "working out your own salvation" as the community partnering with God to write the OLDEN Scripture for THEIR "historical community." Becase WE live in a different culture, WE must PARTNER with God to derive OUR Scripture for OUR time.

John York: Every scene in that story has been set in some historical human context.

Those cultural settings always have been changing and changeable

Theologians tend to miss the fact that Jesus came to seek and save the lost: these are pilgrims and sojourners on the earth. The earth and the Kosmos is an alien dimension. Most of those living now are not lost spirits Jesus came to seek and save. There is nothing one OF FAITH can do which will not alienate the overwhelming masses. God gave the gift of SPEECH to the Apostles so that they could preach that which had been delivered to them among all races as they cast out the net looking for responsive spirits.

Promise of a Baptism of Wind and Fire

Matt 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism,
        he said unto them, O generation of viper
s, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

Matt 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

Don't think you are predestinated!

Matt 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father:
        for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones
to raise up children unto Abraham.

GOD'S JUDGMENT was upon the ROOTS of false Judaism. Jesus would be the BRANCH from the true ROOT.

Matt 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Matt 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, [WIND] and with fire:

BAPTIZE WHOM? The seed of the Viper!


Isaiah 4: 3 And it shall come to pass, 
        that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, 
        shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:

6918.  qadowsh, kaw-doshe´; or qadosh, kaw-doshe´; from 6942; sacred (ceremonially or morally); (as noun) God (by eminence), an angel, a saint, a sanctuary:—holy (One), saint.

6942. qadash, kaw-dash´; a primitive root; to be (causatively, make, pronounce or observe as) clean (ceremonially or morally):—appoint, bid, consecrate, dedicate, defile, hallow, (be, keep) holy(-er, place), keep, prepare, proclaim, purify, sanctify(-ied one, self), x wholly.

Isaiah 4: 4 When the Lord
        shall have washed away the filth
of the daughters of Zion,
        and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem
        from the midst thereof by the SPIRIT of judgment,
        and by the SPIRIT of burning.


And there shall be upon every lofty mountain and upon every high hill,
        water running in that day, when many shall perish,
        and when the towers shall fall. Isaiah 30:25

And the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be seven fold
        in the day
when the Lord shall heal the breach of his people,
        and shall heal the pain of thy wound. Isaiah 30:26 LXX

Behold, the name of the Lord comes after a long time, burning wrath;
word of his lips is with glory, a word full of anger,
        and the
anger of his wrath shall devour as fire. Isaiah 30:27 LXX

And his breath, [spīrĭtus] ignis
        as rushing water in a valley, reach reach as far as the neck, and be divided,
confound the nations for their vain error;
        error also shall pursue them and overtake them. Isaiah 30:28 LXX

Torreo ,
a torrent: “cum fertur quasi torrens oratio,
3. Trop., of speech: “torrens dicentis oratio,Quint. 3, 8, 60; so, “oratio,Plin. 26, 3, 7, § 12
carmina flammā,aliquid in igne Of thirst:   Of the heat of love: “si torrere jecur quaeris idoneum (Venus),

Must ye always rejoice,
canticumchorus canticum Insonuit,tībĭa ,“ubi curva choros indixit tibia Bacchi,Verg. A. 11, 737
        and go into my holy places continually, as they that keep a feast?
        and must ye go with a
pipe, as those that rejoice into the mountain of the Lord,
        to the God of Israel Isaiah 30:29 LXX


and the Lord shall make his glorious voice to be heard and the wrath of his arm,
        to make a
display with wrath and anger and devouring flame: [flamma ignis:]
        he shall lighten terribly, and his wrath shall be as water and violent hail. Isaiah 30:30 LXX


For by the voice of the Lord the Assyrians shall be overcome,
by the stroke where with he shall smite them. Isaiah 30:31 LXX

And it shall happen to him from every side,
        that they from whom their hope of assistance was, in which he trusted,
shall war against him in turn with drums and with harp. Isaiah 30:32 LXX


Isa 41:15 Behold, I will make thee a new sharp threshing instrument having teeth:
        thou shalt thresh the mountains, and beat them small,
        and shalt make the hills as chaff

Isa 41:16 Thou shalt fan them, 
        and the wind [spirit] shall carry them away,
        and the whirlwind shall scatter them:
and thou shalt rejoice in the LORD, and shalt glory in the Holy One of Israel.

Isa 41:17 When the poor and needy seek water, and there is none,
        and their tongue faileth for thirst, I the LORD will hear them,
        I the God of Israel will not forsake them.

Isa 41:18 I will open rivers in high places, and fountains in the midst of the valleys: I will make the wilderness a pool of water, and the dry land springs of water.


Jeremiah 4:11 At that time shall it be said to this people and to Jerusalem, 

A dry wind [spirit] ruwach h7307] of the high places in the wilderness 
        toward the daughter of my people, not to fan, nor to cleanse,

Jeremiah 4:12 Even a full wind [spirit] from those places shall come unto me:
         now also will I give sentence against them.

Jeremiah 4:13 Behold,
         he shall come up as clouds,
         and his chariots shall be as a whirlwind:
         his horses are swifter than eagles.
         Woe unto us for we are spoiled.

Jeremiah 4:14 O Jerusalem, wash thine heart from wickedness,
         that thou mayest be saved.
         How long shall thy vain thoughts lodge within thee?

Watch those who want to "speak the tongues of angels."

Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time,
        Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?
        And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Hebrews 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world,
        he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Hebrews 1:7 And of the angels he saith,
        Who maketh his angels spirits,
         and his ministers a flame of fire.
Hebrews 1:8 BUT unto the Son he saith,
        Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:
        a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Malachi 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh,
        that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly,
        shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts,
        that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

cămīnus A furnace, incesssant labor, ov Vulcan, C. Prov.: “oleum addere camino,to pour oil upon the fire, to aggravate an evil, Hor. S. 2, 3, 321.
ignis , Charis A. (Mostly poet.) The fire or glow of passion, in a good or bad sense; of anger, rage, fury: “exarsere ignes animo,Verg. A. 2, 575: “saevos irarum concipit ignes,Val. Fl. 1, 748
quae simul aethereos animo conceperat ignes, ore dabat pleno carmina vera dei,”  (Dido) caeco carpitur igni,the secret fire of love, Verg. A. 4, 2
carmen  1. In gen., a tune, song, air, lay, strain, note, sound, both vocal and instrumental sc. Apollinem [Apollo, Abaddon] concordant carmina nervis, barbaricum
II.  Trop., of the mind, to inflame, kindle, rouse, excite: I. [select] Trop., of the mind, to inflame, kindle, rouse, excite: “contionibus et legibus invidiam senatus,Cic. Verr. 1, 1:
inflammari cupiditate honorum, glory, fame
cŭpĭdĭtas , II. In a bad sense, a passionate desire, lust, passion, cupidity.
(a). With gen.: “pecuniae,Caes. B. G. 6, 22; Quint. 7, 2, 30 al.: booty, spoil, gain, profit
To take property praeda cervi luporum praeda rapacium,Hor. C. 4, 4, 50
praeda canum lepus est,
        Canis Dog
2. As the regular designation of the hangers-on or parasites of an eminent or rich Roman;
        a follower
, dog, creature: “D. A Cynic philosopher: “Diogenes cum choro canum suorum,” 
Contĭo discourse, oration before a public assembly :B. A place for speaking, a tribune, rostrum; mostly in the phrases in contionem ascendere or escendere:

contionibus et
    By assemblies a sacerdote publico per praeconem convocat contĭo  advocat contionem,
    habet orationem talem consul,
    II. Meton., a discourse, oration before a public assembly: quā in oratione,

Ad-vŏco , C. Esp., in eccl. Lat., of Christ as our intercessor, advocate: “advocatum habemus apud Patrem, Jesum Christum,Vulg. 1 Joan. 2, 1.—

Baar (g1197) baw-ar'; a prim. root; to kindle, i. e. consume (by fire or by eating); also (as denom. from 1198) to be (-come) brutish: - be brutish, bring (put, take) away, burn, (cause to) eat (up), feed, heat, kindle, set ([on fire]), waste.

Is.10:17 And the light of Israel shall be for a fire, and his Holy One for a flame: and it shall burn and devour his thorns and his briers in one day;

Isa 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath [Spirit] of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

Theologians-Scribes and Pharisees-were the only ones who sought to sow discord by imagining that THEY heard voices telling them to ignore or reinterpret Scripture.
Matthew 10:19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak:
        for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
Matthew 10:20 For it is not ye that speak,
        but the Spirit OF [preposition] your Father which speaketh in you.
Matthew 10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death,
        and the father the child:
        and the children shall rise up against their parents,
         and cause them to be put to death.
Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake:
        but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Jesus did not pray for the WORLD and God hid himself from the wise (sophists) meaning rhetoricians, singers, instrument players, actors. 

HERE IS THE WAY TO IDENTIFY THE LOST SPIRITS: the tiny band of the lost among a world for which Jesus would not even pray.

John 12:42 Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees [theologians]

they did not confess him,
    lest they should be put out of the synagogue [church]
Luke 7:29 And all the people that heard him,
     and the publicans,

     justified God, [affirmed his right to command]
     being baptized with the baptism of John.

John 12:43 For they loved the praise of men
      more than the praise of God.
John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me,
     believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. [God]

John 12:45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.  God the Father
Luke 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers [Pharisees,  Scribes, Hypocrites: rhetoricians, singers, instrument players Ezek 33]
rejected the counsel of God against themselves, [Denied His Right]
being not baptized of him

Luke 7:31 And the Lord [Son] said,
then shall I liken the MEN of this generation? and to what are they like?

John 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.  Luke 7:32 They are like unto children sitting in the marketplace, and calling one to another, and saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept.

Skot-ios In Crete the boys were called skotioi, because they lived in the women's apartment, Sch.E.Alc.988. Kupris” joined with Aphroditē Venus dark, obscure, of dithyrambs by Arion the Lyre-player  Hdt. 1.23  suited to cult of Dionysus
Aristoph. Birds 1389 Cinesias in its capricious flight my Muse flutters [Melos Melody] along the thousand paths of poetry in turn ... 'Tis on them the whole of our latter-day art depends. The most brilliant dithyrambs are those that flap [1390] their wings in empty space and are clothed in mist and dense obscurity

Kosmos metaphor of ornaments [of women] of speech, such as epithets, Id.9.9 (pl.), Arist.Rh.1408a14, Po.1457b2, 1458a33; hadumelē k. keladein to sing sweet songs of praise, Pi.O.11 (10).13
Pind. O. 11 I shall loudly sing a sweet song, an adornment for your garland of golden olive, [15] while I honor the race of the Western Locrians. There, Muses, join in the victory-song [Nike song]

1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

1John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Kosmos
1John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1John 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them 

1John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us;

he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit OF truth, and the spirit OF error.

1Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels,
        and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Hebrews 1:7 And of the angels he saith,
        Who maketh his angels spirits,
         and his ministers a flame of fire.
Hebrews 1:8 BUT unto the Son he saith,
        Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:
        a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

This is not speaking as in the command to SPEAK one to another to teach and comfort. Sounding brass and tinkling cymbals here are identifying marks of people who have NO LOVE. Even if they COULD speak all of the languages in the world there would be no love. The command is to SPEAK or LOGOS the Word of Christ which is the opposite of rhetoric, singing or playing instruments. Speaking in the tongues of angels was IN FACT making music in tongues.

La^l-eō , Mark of the Locusts
II.  chatter, Opposite. articulate speech, as of locusts, chirp, Theoc.5.34; mesēmbrias lalein tettix (sc. eimi), a very grasshopper to chirp at midday, 
III. of musicalsounds, “aulō [flute] laleōTheoc.20.29; of trees, v.supr.1.2; “di'aulou [flute] ē salpiggos l.”[trumpet] Arist. Aud.801a29; of Echomagadin laleinsound the magadis,  [doubleflute]

-kat-auleô ,
A. charm by flute-playing, metaphor I will flute to you on a ghastly flute, E.HF871 (troch.):--Pass., of persons, methuôn kai katauloumenos drinking wine to the strains of the flute, Pl.R.561c; k. pros chelônidos psophon to be played to on the flute with lyre accompaniment,
II. in Pass., [ton monochordon kanona] parechein tais aisthêsesi . . katauloumenon subdued by a flute accompaniment, to be piped down, ridiculed, gelômenoi  
2.  make a place sound with flute-playing, resound with flute-playing, nêsos katêuleito Plu.Ant.56
katapsallô A.play stringed instruments to, [sumposion]katauleinkai k. Plu.2.713e :--usu. in Pass., have music played to one, enjoy music, ib.785e; of places, resound with music, Id.Ant.56. 2. Pass., to be buried to the sound of music3. metaph., katapsalletai . . hodêmiourgos is drummed out

, play on the flute in accompaniment, melo. lusiôidos 1 one who played women's characters in male attire,

The Mark of the Locusts: Abaddon's Muses (dirty adulteresses) performing as sorcerers.
Tettix  This noise is freq. used as a simile for sweet sounds, Il.3.151, Hes.Op.582, Sc.393, Simon.173, 174, etc.; and Plato calls them hoi Mousōn prophētai, Phdr.262d; but they also became a proverb. for garrulity, “lalein tettixAristopho10.7: “t. polloi ginomenoi nosōdes to etos sēmainous
Mousa ,Muse,
A. Olumpiades M., Dios aigiokhoio thugateresIl.2.491, cf. Hes.Th.25, etc.; nine in number, first in Od.24.60; named in Hes.Th.75 sqq.
II. mousa, as Appellat., music, song, “m. stugeraA.Eu.308 (anap.); “euphamosId.Supp.695 (lyr.); “kanakhan . . theias antiluron mousasS.Tr.643 (lyr.); “Aiakō moisan phereinPi.N.3.28; tis hēde mousa; what strain is this ?
2. hautē Sōkratous m. that was Socrates's way

Prophēt-euō A.  to be a prophētēs or interpreter of the gods, manteueo, Moisa, prophateusō d' egōPi. l.c.; tis prophēteuei theou; who is his interpreter
Mant-euomai  2. generally, presage, forebode, surmise, of presentiment, Opposite. knowledge, Pl.Cra.411b, R.349a,
II. consult an oracle, seek divinations, Pi.O.7.31, Hdt.1.46, 4.172, etc.; “en Delphoisi Id.6.76;   “ho gar theos manteuomenō moukhrēsen en Delphois poteAr.V.159, cf. Av.593
Real men or godly women never went there:

Eur. Ba. 977 Go to the mountain, go, fleet hounds of Madness, where the daughters of Kadmos hold their company, and drive them raving [980] against the mad spy on the Maenads, the one dressed in women's attire. His mother will be the first to see him from a smooth rock or crag, as he lies in ambush, and she will cry out to the maenads:

Luss-a^ , Att. lutta^ ,2. after Hom., raging madness, frenzy, such as was caused by the gods, as that of 10, “lussēs pneumati margō A.Pr.883 (anap.); of Orestes, Id.Ch.287, E.Or.254, etc.; of the Proetides, B.10.102; of Bacchic frenzy, “elaphra l.E. Ba.851; thoai Lussas kunes, of the Furies, ib.977 (lyr.); “lussē parakoposAr.Th.680: strengthd., “l. maniasS.Fr.941.4; “lutta erōtikēPl.Lg.839a; l. alone, of raging love, Theoc.3.47; simply, rage,   fanaticism, “peri tas haireseis” [Heresy]

Marg-os , ē, on, also os, on (A.Eu.67, Pl.Lg.792e):—poet. Adj. (used once by Pl.), A. mad, marge madman! Od.16.421; “maia philē, margēn se theoi thesan23.11, cf. Pi.O.2.96, etc.; “thumos m.Thgn.1301; “lussēs pneumati margōA.Pr.884 (anap.); tasde tas margous, of the Furies, Id.Eu.l.c.; margoi hēdonai
Even if the people all spoke tongues or their own minor dialects, Paul would say that others would think that they were the MAD people--usually the mad women of Corinth--speaking gibberish. Paul would not speak any dialect in church because church was to teach that which was written for our learning (Rom 15).
Aesch. PB 877 Io
Oh! Oh! Alas! Once again convulsive pain and frenzy, striking my brain, inflame me. I am stung by the gadfly's barb, [880] unforged by fire. My heart knocks at my ribs in terror; my eyeballs roll wildly round and round. I am carried out of my course by a fierce blast of madness; I've lost all mastery over my tongue, [885] and a stream of turbid words beats recklessly against the billows of dark destruction.Exit
Speaking this charismatic gibberish meant that you had totally lost your mind: driven into a state of insanity during which they believed that the gods spoke to them directly.
Akrat-ēs , es, (kratos)
II. c. gen. rei, not having power or command over a thing,glōssēsA.Pr.884; phōnēs, pantos tou sōmatos, heōutou, Hp.Morb.1.3, Art.48, Morb.2.6; “orgēsTh.3.84; “thumouPl.Lg.869a
intemperate in the use of a thing, aphrodisiōn, oinou, X.Mem.1.2.2, Oec.12.11; a. kerdous, timēs intemperate in pursuit of them
2. [select] abs. in moral sense, without command over oneself or one's passions, incontinent

Because we know that Spirit never speaks of a "people" but the mind or mental disposition of God, Calvin said that those who hear the "spirit" beyond the Word are fanatics.  And so, "pneumatology" is best described by Job

In the upper room Jesus Christ as the empowered Holy Spirit returned and "poured out what you HEAR and SEE."  What they HEARD was WIND.  That is because Spirit means--no more and no less than--wind.  This was the Spirit OF Judgment and the Spirit OF fire.  John proves that this is the winnowing process to separate those who accept the Word without dispute from those who think that they ARE agents of the gods because--almost always young women--sang, danced, played instruments and worked their own spirits up into a mental frenzy.  Only those driven out of their minds could reveal the will of the "gods.""
Job 15:2 Should a wise man utter vain knowledge, and fill his belly with the east wind?
Săpĭo  b. To suggest, be inspired by: “quia non sapis ea quae Dei sunt,Vulg. Matt. 16, 23; id. Marc. 8, 33.—“populus est moderatior, quoad sentit et sapit tuerique vult per se constitutam rem publicam,
Sophos A. skilled in any handicraft or art, clever
A. skilled in any handicraft or art, clever, harmatēlatas s. Pi.P.5.115, cf. N.7.17; “kubernētēsA.Supp.770; “mantis Id.Th.382; “oiōnothetasS.OT484 (lyr.); Margites [[1449a] [1] Fr.2; but in this sense mostly of poets and musicians, Pi.O.1.9, P.1.42, 3.113; en kithara s. E.IT1238 (lyr.), cf. Ar.Ra.896 (lyr.),
Manti^s Sibulla:— diviner, seer, prophet, ho mantis mantin ekpraxas eme, of Apollo and Cassandra, Id.Ag.1275; of the Pythian priestess, Id.Eu.29; Thrēxi m.E.Hec.1267 (of Dionysus
II. a kind of grasshopper, the praying mantis, Mantis religiosa, Theoc.10.18 [The Muses: Locusts]
WIND IS wind 

H7307 rûach roo'-akh From H7306 ;
by resemblance breath, that is, a sensible (or even violent) exhalation;
figuratively life, anger, unsubstantiality; by extension a region of the sky;
by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (including its expression and functions):.
Job 15:3 Should he reason with unprofitable talk? or with speeches wherewith he can do no good?
Job 15:4 Yea, thou castest off fear, and restrainest prayer before God.
Job 15:5 For thy mouth uttereth thine iniquity, and thou choosest the tongue of the crafty.
Job 15:6 Thine own mouth condemneth thee, and not I: yea, thine own lips testify against thee.
Job 15:7 Art thou the first man that was born? or wast thou made before the hills?
Job 15:8 Hast thou heard the secret of God? and dost thou restrain wisdom to thyself?

Zechariah 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
Maqowr (h4726) maw-kore'; or maqor maw-kore'; from 6979 [to trench]; prop. something dug, i. e. a (gen.) source (of water, even when naturally flowing.  A walled up with masonery, a wall.


Ablūtĭo , ōnis, f. abluo, I. a washing, cleansing, Macr. S. 3, 7.—Of baptism, cf. abluo, I. fin. (eccl. Lat.; in Plin. 13, 12, 23, § 74, the correct reading is adulatione;
ab-lŭo , ŭi, ūtum, 3, v. a.,
I. to wash off or away, to wash, cleanse, purify.
I. Lit.: pulverem lymphis, Pac. ap. Gell. 2, 26, 13 (Trag. Rel. p. 108 Rib.): “Ulixi pedes abluens,Cic. Tusc. 5, 16, 46: “donec me flumine vivo abluero,Verg. A. 2, 719: “abluendo cruori balneas petit,Tac. H. 3, 32.—Poet.: “abluere sitim,to quench, Lucr. 4, 876; and: abluere sibi umbras, to remove darkness (by bringing a light), id. 4, 378.—Of the washing away of earth by a shower, Varr. R. R. 1, 35.—In eccl. Lat., of baptism: munere divinitatis abluti, Cod. Th. 19, 6, 4.—
II. Trop., of calming the passions: omnis ejusmodi perturbatio animi placatione abluatur, be removed (fig. derived from the religious rite of washing in expiation of sin), Cic. Tusc. 4, 28, 60: “maculam veteris industriae laudabili otio,to wash out, Plin. Ep. 3, 7, 3: “perjuria,
This baptism as a death to self eleminates the passions and pertubations such as speaking in gibbersish.
Ezek XVIIIWEB. The word of Yahweh came to me again, saying, [2] What do you mean, that you use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge? [3] As I live, says the Lord Yahweh, you shall not have [occasion] any more to use this proverb in Israel. [4] Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins, he shall die. [5] But if a man is just, and does that which is lawful and right, [6] and has not eaten on the mountains, neither has lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, neither has defiled his neighbor's wife, neither has come near to a woman in her impurity,
Zechariah 13:2 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts,
        that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land,
        and they shall no more be remembered:
        and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land.

As soon as Baptism FOR the remission of sins begins then the PROPHESYING of speaking in languages must cease.  Only men spoke in tongues and only in the presence of a Apostle: these men could prophesy in the teaching sense.  No woman at any time in the Bible spoke in tongues: only the man women in Corinth may have gibbered.
Prophe-ta  I. a foreteller, SOOTHSAYER prophet... oraculorumque interpretes, sacerdotes Aegyptiorum, quos prophetas vocant, [Priestess of Egpt prophetess call out] Aegyptius, propheta primarius

Aegyptius, propheta primarius
1.  Aegyptius,
2.  Prophetai
3.  Primarius I. one of the first, of the first rank, chief, principal, excellent, remarkable,
primarius parasitus,
Părăsītus , i, m., = parasitos, lit. one who eats with another; hence, I. In gen., a guest (pure Lat. conviva): parasiti Jovis, the gods, Hence, parasitus Phoebi, a PLAYER. actor, II. In partic., in a bad sense, one who, by flattery and buffoonery, manages to live at another's expense, a sponger, toad-eater, parasite
-Comically, of a whip: ne ulmos parasitos faciat, that he will make his elm-twigs stick to me like parasites, i. e. give me a sound flogging, he tutelar deity of parasites was Hercules,
Plaut. Curc. 2, 3, 79.
Women claimed that menstrual fluids were magical concoctions: that is why the gnosticism of SOPHIA worship among women clergy makes one wonder if the Lord's Supper is not spiked.  .
Immundus (inm- ), a, um, adj. inmundus,
I. unclean, impure, dirty, filthy, foul (syn.: spurcus, obscenus, impurus).
unclean women, Cic. Att. 9, 10  cănis
II.  Trop.: “aut immunda crepent ignominiosaque dicta,Hor. A. P. 247.—Adv.: immundē , impurely, uncleanly: foedare templa
Hor. Ars 247 The poet, who first tried his skill in tragic verse for the paltry [prize of a] goat, soon after exposed to view wild satyrs naked,1 and attempted raillery with severity, still preserving the gravity [of tragedy]: because the spectator on festivals, when heated with wine2 and disorderly, was to be amused with captivating shows and agreeable novelty. But it will be expedient so to recommend the bantering,

Tragedy4 disdaining to prate forth trivial verses, like a matron commanded to dance on the festival days,5 will assume an air of modesty, even in the midst of wanton satyrs. As a writer of satire, ye Pisos, I shall never be fond of unornamented and reigning terms:6 nor shall I labor to differ so widely from the complexion of tragedy, as to make no distinction, whether Davus be the speaker. And the bold Pythias, who gained a talent by gulling Simo; or Silenus, the guardian and attendant of his pupil-god [Bacchus]. I would so execute a fiction7 taken from a well-known story, that any body might entertain hopes of doing the same thing; but, on trial, should sweat and labor in vain

1 There was a kind of tragic comedies among the Greeks, which they called Satyrs, because the chorus was formed of Satyrs, who sung the praises of Bacchus between the acts, and said a thousand low pleasantries. The only piece of this kind remaining to us is the Cyclops of Euripides, in which Ulysses is the principal actor. The Romans, in imitation of the Greek Satyrs, had their Atellanae, so called from Atella, the city where they were first played.

The BEAST or Theiron includes "a new style of music or drama." It also marked the Satyric dramas where Bacchus (from Egypt, Sinai, Jerusalem and onward) was the "god" while people pretended to worship Jehovah.

As in a company of players, the same person shall, at different times, be a pander, a youth, an old man, a beggar, a king, a parasite, a soothsayer."(72-76) St. Jerome hath finely imitated this passage: “"our vices oblige us to play many characters, for every vice wears a different mask. Thus in a theater, the same person plays a robust and nervous Hercules, a dissolute Venus [Zoe-Sophia], and a furious Cyclops."

4Indigna tragoedia versus.Hor. Ars 231 Horace means the Atellanae, which were in so much esteem, that the persons, who acted in them, were not ranked with the comedians, nor were obliged to unmask on the stage when they played ill, as others were; and, as a peculiar honor, they were allowed to enlist in the army. Therefore low and trivial verses were beneath the dignity of the Atellanae.

5 Young women were usually chosen to dance in honor of the gods, but in some festivals, as in that of the great goddess, the pontiffs obliged married women to dance. Hence the poet says iussa.

Cănis a. A shameless, vile person [the dogs encompassed Jesus and musically mocked him]
2. As the regular designation of the hangers-on or parasites of an eminent or rich Roman; a follower, dog, creature:
D. A Cynic philosopher: “Diogenes cum choro canum suorum, a Catamite

For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. Phil 3:3

Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision. Phil 3:2

Dogs were the CYNICS they stamped, clapped and made noises like DOGS to attract their fellow homosexuals.

Pan is the kuōn of Cybele Persephonēs kunes, of the planets
of Hecate, in Mithraic worship of the Bakkhai, Lussas k.E.Ba.977 (lyr.
The meaning of speaking gibberish which was not a "tongue" or minor dialect spoken at Pentecost.

Eur. Ba. 977 Go to the mountain, go, fleet hounds of Madness, where the daughters of Kadmos hold their company, and drive them raving [980] against the mad spy on the Maenads, the one dressed in women's attire. His mother will be the first to see him from a smooth rock or crag, as he lies in ambush, and she will cry out to the maenads: --and murder her own son.

Elaine Heath affirms that: women's rights came in large part from holiness pneumatology

Luss-a^ , Att. lutta^ ,raging madness, frenzy, such as was caused by the gods, as that of 10, “lussēs pneumati margōA.Pr.883 (anap.); of Orestes [homosexual worship], Id.Ch.287, E.Or.254, etc.; of the Proetides, B.10.102; of Bacchic frenzy, “elaphra l.E. Ba.851; thoai Lussas kunes, of the Furies, ib.977 (lyr.); “lussē parakoposAr.Th.680: strengthd., “l. maniasS.Fr.941.4; “lutta erōtikēPl.Lg.839a; l. alone, of raging love, Theoc.3.47; simply, rage,fanaticism, “peri tas haireseis” [Heresy]

Marg-os , ē, on, also os, on (A.Eu.67, Pl.Lg.792e):—poet. Adj. (used once by Pl.), A. mad, marge madman! Od.16.421; “maia philē, margēn se theoi thesan23.11, cf. Pi.O.2.96, etc.; “thumos m.Thgn.1301; “lussēs pneumati margōA.Pr.884 (anap.); tasde tas margous, of the Furies, Id.Eu.l.c.; margoi hēdonai
The purpose of the mad women who often fell into charismatic ecstasy while mature males could not be so seduced was that Paul understood that the superior qualities of a woman made her too soft to withstand the wiles of the Devil: Eve was wholly seduced by the serpent as a Musical Enchanter(ess).

Aufĕro B.  Trop., to carry away, mislead i.e. have diverted, withdrawn me, from the subject, are deceived, duped
Zechariah 13:3 And it shall come to pass, that when any shall yet prophesy, then his father and his mother that begat him shall say unto him, Thou shalt not live; for thou speakest lies in the name of the LORD: and his father and his mother that begat him shall thrust him through when he prophesieth.
H5197 nâṭaph naw-taf' A primitive root; to ooze, that is, distil gradually; by implication to fall in drops; figuratively to speak by inspiration:—drop (-ping), prophesy (-et).

"raved, lost consciousness and rational ability, chanted, mutilated themselves and exhibited all kinds of abnormal behavior... these Nebhiim are to be identified with the prophets of Baal who exhibited such frenzied conduct on Mount Carmel (1 Sam. 10), the schools of the prophets under Elijah and Elisha (2 Ki. 2-6), and the band of four hundred prophets who were attached to King Ahab's court (1 Ki. 22)." The Mark of Jezebel.

"All these texts point, explicitly or implicitly, to the fact that the dance had a musical accompaniment. Even though the Bible makes no mention of it we must assume that the movements of the prophets of Baal on Mount Carmel were made with an accompaniment on certain musical instruments... (de Vaux, p. 242).

"There is an obvious satirical intent in the biblical story and we could find no better illustration of a similar attitude than a rather curious bas-relief in the Museo delle Terme in Rome which derides a ceremony of Isis. "In front of a row of images of the gods, men and women are dancing with grotesque contortions; their knees are all bent their heads thrown back and their arms upraised; they are holding castanets or the double flute. An aged choirmaster and a group of spectators mark time by clapping their hands." (de Vaux, p. 242).

Zechariah 13:4 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision, when he hath prophesied; neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive:

Oh No, he says:  I am not one of those prophets which MARKED Saul and turned him into a mad man boasting of his power.  I am NOT a prophet but I am just an honest clergy person speaking ONLY the Word of God as mediated by pneumatology.

Zechariah 13:5 But he shall say, I am no prophet, I am an husbandman [masculine pastor]; for man taught me to keep cattle from my youth.

But, the MARKS of the charismatic prophesiers are EVIDENT for all to see: making a fool out of themselves because some spirit manipulator got his/her kicks out of manipulating the minds of weak people: Sorcerers.

Zechariah 13:6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

These were really monastic enclaves

Zechariah 13:7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd,
        and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts:
        smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered:
        and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.

We know that this happened when the temple was destroyed and the harps and harpists were burned at Tophet which was where God promised that the king of Babylon as Tyre would go to this prepared place with his harps and still-breathing harpists.

And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. Zechariah 13:8

And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried:
they shall call on my name, and I will hear them:

This was the baptism of WIND and of FIRE and not of a spirit person.

I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God. Zechariah 13:9

Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh,
        and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

Zechariah 14:2 For I will gather all nations against [new] Jerusalem to battle;
        and the city shall be taken,
        and the houses rifled,
        and the women ravished; [put on display, made a spectacle of]
        and half of the city shall go forth into captivity,
        and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zechariah 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth,
        and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

The One God the Father made Jesus of Nazareth TO BE both Lord and Christ: He is still in charge and HE limits the public role to PREACHING the Word as it has been taught by READING it. This guarantees that women waving ARMS will not bring on wrath or an orgy.


Zechariah 14:21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts:
        and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them,
        and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be
        no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

Mercātor , ōris, m. id., I. [select] a trader, merchant, esp. a wholesale dealer (opp. to caupo, a retailer; class.)
A.  A dealer, speculator: “non consules, sed mercatores provinciarum,Cic. post Red. in Sen. 4, 10.—Rarely of a petty dealer: “vilis sacci mercator olentis,Juv. 14, 269.—
B.   A buyer, purchaser: “signorum,Cic. Verr. 1, 20, 60: “veneni,Juv. 13, 154.

Is. 33:17 Thine eyes shall see the king in his beauty:
        they shall behold the land that is very far off.

Is. 33:18 Thine heart shall meditate terror.
        Where is the scribe?     (preachers: doctors of the law)
        where is the receiver?  (collection plates)
        where is he that counted the towers? (podiums, pulpits)
LitteratusI. Lit., marked with letters, branded:
Sen. Q. N. 4, 13, 1.—Esp. of the learned expounders of the poets: “quem litteratissimum fuisse judico,Cic. Fam. 9, 16, 4: “appellatio grammaticorum Graecā consuetudine invaluit: sed initio litterati vocabantur,
a. To the letter, literally: “litterate respondere,Cic. Harusp. Resp. 8, 17.—
b. Learnedly, scientifically, elegantly, cleverly: “scriptorum veterum litterate peritus,learnedly, critically skilled, Cic. Brut. 56, 205: “belle et litterate dicta,clever sayings, id. de Or. 2, 62, 253.—Comp.: “litteratius Latine loqui,Cic. Brut. 108, 28.
Doctor , ōris, m. doceo, I. a teacher, instructor, Cic. de Or. 1, 6, 23; 3, 15, 57; id. Div. 1, 3, 6; id. Or. 33, 117; Quint. 2, 2, 2; Hor. C. 4, 6, 25; id. S. 1, 1, 26; Vulg. Matt. 22, 35 et saep.

H8254 shâqal shaw-kal' A primitive root; to suspend or poise (especially in trade):—pay, receive (-r), spend, X throughly, weigh.

Towers are:
H4026 migdâl migdâlâh mig-dawl', mig-daw-law' From H1431 ; a tower (from its size or height); by analogy a rostrum; figuratively a (pyramidal) bed of flowers:—castle, flower, pulpit, tower. Compare the names following.h1431 Gadal to twist, advance, boast, increase, lift up, magnify, proudly spoken
Is. 33:19 Thou shalt not see a fierce people,
         a people of a deeper speech than thou canst perceive;
        of a stammering tongue, that thou canst not understand.

Sermo  Continual talking, eloquence,

Matthew 22.35 One of them, a lawyer, asked him a question, testing him.

Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers!
        for ye have taken away the key of knowledge:
        ye entered not in yourselves,
        and them that were entering in ye hindered.
Luke 11:53 And as he said these things unto them,
        the scribes and the Pharisees began to urge him vehemently,
         and to provoke him to speak of many things:
Luke 11:54 Laying wait for him, and seeking to catch something out of his mouth,
         that they might accuse him.

2 Cor. 2:14 Now thanks be unto God,
............ which always causeth us to triumph in Christ,
............ and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.

2 Cor. 2:15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ,
............ in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

2 Cor. 2:16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death;
............ and to the other the savour of life unto life.
............ And who is sufficient for these things?

2 Cor. 2:17 For we are not as many,
............ which corrupt the word of God:
............ but as of sincerity, but as of God,
............ in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

Adultĕro , II. [select] Fig., to falsify, adulterate, or give a foreign nature to a thing, to counterfeit: “laser adulteratum cummi aut sacopenio aut fabā fractā,
adulterantes verbum,Vulg. 2 Cor. 2, 17.
 Pĕcūnĭa 3. Personified: “Pecunia,the goddess of gain, Arn. 4, 132; cf. Juv. 1, 113.—Also, an epithet of Jupiter,

ka^pēl-euō , A. [select] to be a retail-dealer, drive a petty trade,
2. [select] metaph., k. ta prēgmata, of Darius, Hdt.3.89; k. ta mathēmata sell learning by retail, hawk it about, Pl. Prt.313d; “k. ton logon tou theou2 Ep.Cor.2.17; so eoiken ou kapēleusein makhēn will not peddle in war, i. e. fight half-heartedly, k. tēs hōras anthos or tēn hōran, of prostitutes,
Heredotus records how Cyrus was told to EMASCULATE the male warriors

Sophia, a favorite of the Methodist women, was the mother of zoe (eve) and she had a wonderful way of subduing the matriarchal Word of God (only).  She forced the jehovahs and logos to form musical worship teams before she allowed him to ascend.

Grant, then, forgiveness to the Lydians, and to make sure of their never rebelling against thee,
        or alarming thee more,
        send and forbid them to keep any weapons of war,
        command them to wear tunics under their cloaks, and to put buskins upon their legs,
                and make them bring up their sons to cithern-playing (Kitharizein),
(psallein),.and shop-keeping (Hucksterism).
                So wilt thou soon see them
become women instead of men,
                and there will be no more fear of their revolting from thee."

-[4] Ludoisi de sungnômên echôn tade autoisi epitaxon, hôs mête aposteôsi mête deinoi toi eôsi: apeipe men sphi pempsas hopla arêia mê ektêsthai, keleue de spheas kithônas -[khiton  David's garment] te hupodunein toisi heimasi kai kothornous hupodeesthai, proeipe d' autoisi -kitharizein te kai psallein kai kapêleuein [prostitutes, petty trade, playing tricks, corrupting] paideuein tous paidas. kai tacheôs spheas ô basileu gunaikas ant' andrôn opseai gegonotas, hôste ouden deinoi toi esontai mê aposteôsi."

The word kitharizo means to PLAY THE CITHARA and does not include singing.

-Kitharizô 1 [kitharis] to play the cithara, phormingi [Apollo] kitharize Il., Hes.; lurêi eraton kitharizôn Hhymn. (so that there can have been no great difference between the kithara, lura, and phorminx ); kitharizein ouk epistatai, of an uneducated person,

-Kithar-isis , eôs, hê, playing on the cithara, Pl.Prt.325e; k. psilê, i.e. without the voice, Id.Lg.669e, cf. Pae.Delph.15; aulêsis kai k. Phld.Mus.p.23 K.

-Arassô ,of any violent impact, with collat. notion of rattling, clanging, as of horses, hoplais, pound in a mortar, strike with a shower of stones.
a). kitharēn strike the lyre, Orph.A.382; humnon, melos, etc., Nonn.D.1.15,440, etc.
2. c. dat. modi, arassein tina oneidesi, kakois, assail with reproaches or threats,
II. Pass., to be dashed against, dash one against the other
Pound in a mortar, “holmō a.Nic. Th.508

-Ovid Elegy 2.6: On the Death of His Mistress's Parrot. By Creech.

Alas! poor Poll, my Indian talker, dies!
Go, birds, and celebrate his obsequies;
Go, birds, and beat your breasts, your faces tear,
And pluck your gaudy plumes instead of hair;
doleful tunes the frighted forest wound,
And your sad notes supply the trumpet's sound.
Why, Philomel, dost mourn the
Thracian rage? [religion, wrath, orgy]



Joel 2:12 Therefore also now, saith the LORD,
        turn [convert, be baptized] ye even to me with all your heart,
        and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning:
Joel 2:13 And rend your heart, and not your garments,
        and turn unto the LORD your God:
        for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger,
        and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.
Joel 2:14 Who knoweth if he will return and repent,
        and leave a blessing behind him;
        even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the LORD your God?

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward,
        that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; [Jews, Gentiles, once]
        and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy
        your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Turn you at my reproof: behold,
I will pour out my SPIRIT unto you,
      I will make known my WORDS unto you. Proverbs 1:23
For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty,
and floods upon the dry ground:
I will pour my spirit upon thy seed,
      and my blessing upon thine offspring: Isaiah 44:3
Pouring is a one-time event as a SIGN to the pagan mystics

H8210 shaphak shaw-fak' A primitive root; to spill forth (blood, a libation, liquid metal; or even a solid, that is, to mound up); also (figuratively) to expend (life, soul, complaint, money, etc.); intensively to sprawl out: cast (up), gush out, pour (out), shed (-der, out), slip.

ef-fundo (or ecf- ), fūdi, fūsum, 3, v. a.,

I.  to pour out, pour forth, shed, spread abroad (class.; esp. freq. in the transf. and trop. signif.).
2.  In partic.
a. With se, or mid. of persons, to pour out in a multitude, to rush out, spread abroad (a favorite expression with the historians):
b. With the accessory notion of producing, to bring forth, produce abundantly:

H7307 ruach roo'-akh From H7306 ;
        by resemblance breath, that is, a
sensible (or even violent) exhalation;
        figuratively life,
anger, unsubstantiality;
        by extension a region of the sky;
        by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (including its expression and functions):
anger, blast, breath, cool, courage, mind,  quarter, X side, spirit ([-ual]),
, X vain, ([whirl-]) wind (-y).T

The spirit OF Christ spoke through the PROPHETS to univerally condemn music as the MARK and CAUSE of rejecting the Word. Otherwise, to prophesy meant to MAKE SELF a prophets in a singing, dancing and musical sense.

Miriam is the prototypical usurping women understood very well by Paul who demanded that in the short assembly--for reading and speaking the Word only-- women should be both silent and sedentary. That was the only way to separate the Mad Women in Corinth from the godly women.
Exodus 15:[20] sumpsit ergo Maria prophetis soror Aaron tympanum in manu egressaeque sunt omnes mulieres post eam cum tympanis et choris
God will afflict Miriam with leprosy when she claims to speak for God.  The first meaning of prophet in the PAGAN sense meant a charismatic, musical performer.  All dramatic performance is INTERPRETATION which is, according to Paul, just speaking in tongues.
Prophe-ta  I. a foreteller, SOOTHSAYER prophet... oraculorumque interpretes, sacerdotes Aegyptiorum, quos prophetas vocant, [Priestess of Egpt prophetess call out] Aegyptius, propheta primarius

Aegyptius, propheta primarius
1.  Aegyptius,
2.  Prophetai
3.  Primarius I. one of the first, of the first rank, chief, principal, excellent, remarkable,
primarius parasitus,
Plaut 2.1.73   PERIPLECOMENUS  You are a simpleton. For, if you lay anything out on a bad wife and upon an enemy, that is an expense; that which is laid out on a deserving guest and a friend is gain; as that, which is expended upon sacred rites, is a profit to the wise man. By the blessing of the Gods, I have enough, with which to receive you with hospitality in my house. Eat, drink, indulge your tastes with me, and surfeit yourself with enjoyments; my house is at your service, myself likewise do I wish to be at your service. For, through the blessing of the Gods, I may say that, by reason of my wealth, I could have married a dowered wife of the best family; but I don't choose to introduce an everlasting female barker at me into my house.
Părăsītus , i, m., = parasitos, lit. one who eats with another; hence, I. In gen., a guest (pure Lat. conviva): parasiti Jovis, the gods, Hence, parasitus Phoebi, a PLAYER. actor, II. In partic., in a bad sense, one who, by flattery and buffoonery, manages to live at another's expense, a sponger, toad-eater, parasite
-Comically, of a whip: ne ulmos parasitos faciat, that he will make his elm-twigs stick to me like parasites, i. e. give me a sound flogging, he tutelar deity of parasites was Hercules,
Plaut. Curc. 2, 3, 79.

Remember the CODE Diotrephes: Name means begotten or BELOVED of Jove who is the "old man" who thrusts in the reaping hook (meaning a musical instrument) about now.

Notes from 2 Maccabees defining the Abomination of Desolation
The tensions which led to the Jewish revolt were exacerbated when the Jewish high priest, a Hellenist himself, offered a sacrifice to Heracles (Hercules) who was a Greek symbol of homosexuality.

John in Revelation 18 as well as ALL definitions of arusal singing and instruments calls it SORCERY used to DECEIVE the whole world.  The Iraelite NATION was DECEIVED here and later by usurping women

Notice in the text about Philip's daughters that the Spirit makes a distinction between "prophesying" and being a "prophet."--

And the next day we that were of Pauls company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him. Ac 21:8

And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy. Ac 21:9

And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus. Ac 21:10

Jesus gave us divine commentary on this by sending a male prophet to give Phillip guidance!

If these young girls were truly prophets they would have warned Paul of the danger. The context is deliberately arranged to define prophesying in the musical sense as not the same as genuine revelation of prophecy by a prophet.

In the book of Revelation Apollo is Abaddon or Apollyon. He comes to unleash the MUSICIANS or MUSES who were cast into the underworld as LOCUSTS or GRASSHOPPERS symbolic of musical performers.

The Corinthian women were susceptible to this because they were "just out of paganism" and because not a single person in Corinth had even the tiny Spiritual gift to solve their problems by making a decision:

"The Greeks sought the god's approval for any important decisions they had to make. They often went to the temple of Apollo at Delphi, where a priestess sat over a gas fissure in the volcanic rocks and

muttered unintelligible words of prophecy.
Other priests
interpreted her words, which were supposed to come from Apollo himself.

But the oracle usually gave people vague instructions that could mean almost anything--so that, no matter what happened, the priests could say she was right." (Sumrall, Lester, p. 75, Where was God when Pagan Religions Began, Thomas Nelson.)

In the book of Revelation Apollo is Abaddon or Apollyon. He comes to unleash the MUSICIANS or MUSES who were cast into the underworld as LOCUSTS or GRASSHOPPERS symbolic of musical performers.

Strabo Geography [10.3.10] And on this account Plato, and even before his time the Pythagoreians, called philosophy music; and
they say that the universe is constituted in accordance with harmony,
assuming that every form of music is the work of the gods.
And in this sense, also, the
Muses are goddesses,
Apollo is leader of the Muses,
poetry as a whole is laudatory of the gods.
And by the same course of reasoning they also attribute to music the upbuilding of morals, believing that everything which tends to correct the mind is close to the gods.
Now most of the Greeks assigned to Dionysus, Apollo, Hecate, the Muses (9 women team), and above all to Demeter, everything of an orgiastic or Bacchic or choral nature, as well as the mystic element in initiations; and they give the name "Iacchus" not only to Dionysus but also to the leader-in-chief of the mysteries, who is the genius of Demeter.

branch-bearing, choral dancing, and initiations are common elements in the worship of these gods.
As for the Muses and Apollo,
the Muses (female pastors) preside over the choruses,
Apollo presides both over these and the rites of divination.
But all educated men, and especially the musicians, are ministers of the Muses;
and both these and those who have to do with divination are ministers of Apollo;
        and the initiated and torch-bearers and hierophants,
        of Demeter; and the Sileni and Satyri and
Bacchae, and also the Lenae and Thyiae
        and Mimallones and Naïdes and Nymphae and the beings called
Tityri, of Dionysus.

Judas came to the grove, guiding a detachment of soldiers and some officials
from the chief priests and Pharisees. They were
carrying torches, lanterns and weapons. Jn.18:3

Joel 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

Joel 2:30 And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood,
        before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

Joel 2:32 And it shall come to pass,
        that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered:
        for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said,
        and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call

The Spirit Jesus of Nazareth informed Paul: Arise, be baptized, WASHING AWAY thy sins

Acts 22:13 Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight.
         And the same hour I looked up upon him.
Acts 22:14 And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee,
        that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
Acts 22:15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise,
        and be baptized, and wash away thy sins,
        calling on the name of the Lord.

That is the Christ prophesied and Jesus Commanded way to call upon God and REQUEST that He gives you A holy spirit (Acts 2:38) or A good conscience (1 Peter 3:21).  This is the only way you can be allowed to read BLACK text on BROWN paper. (2 Cor 3) and understand that The LORD is that SPIRIT.

Sorry, but the MARK of a person of truth or of faith is whether the infinite Spirit of the universe can speak through His Son in these last days and convey what He wants us to know.  Questioning the Word is not part of the Job.  It is by reading and understanding the great Epics that we come to understand the Mind (Spirit) of God revealed only in Jesus of Nazareth and written for our memory by the eye-- and ear-- witnesses of the risen Christ.


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