Edward Fudge Annihilation Passages

Edward is still fudging the Bible and history trying to remove hell

Edward Fudge No Everlasting Punishment 

Edward thinks that hell annihialates the sinner: if so, why is there so much text about God punishing the evil for EVER AND EVER? Couldn't God have been as smart as we and just said: "The Evil will die like Rover."


Edward Fudge says that sinners are cast into the lak of fire THEN they are Executed: doesn't that insult God's grace? Cast into the Lake of Fire IS THE SECOND DEATH but the Spirit says they will suffer for ever and ever: Aions and Aions.

Secondly, PERISHING is not the same as being cast into hell as Lake of Fire.
Matthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee:
    for it is profitable for thee that
    one of thy members should perish,
    and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Pĕr-ĕo   I. To pass away, come to nothing; to vanish, disappear, be lost:
II. To pass away, to be destroyed, to perish
1. To perish, lose one's life, die (class.): non intellego, quamobrem, si vivere honeste non possunt, perire turpiter velint;
Apollu_mi or apol-uō destroy utterly, kill, in Hom. mostly of death in battle, cease to exist, opp. gignesthai
Edward Fudge 2 Peter 3:5-7

Time is too short to enjoy trying to determine "how hot is hell" or "how long is eternity." They say that a bumblebee cannot fly but keeps in the air by beating its left wing against its right.  The theological craft pretty much follows that pattern in the  favorite occupation of clipping out proof texts to make a new paper dolly. The result is to enable Satan to kindle rhetorical fires to fleece and then sacrifice The Lamb of God and all of His humble disciples.  Jesus marked the sons of the Devil as "they speak on their own." Our job is to teach that which is written for our learning. All of the key proof-texts for or against temperatures or bake time are within a context.  The context is written in parables (words in plain sight) to fool the Scribes and Pharisees defined as hypocrites by Jesus and as performance speakers, singers and instrument players in the Isaiah and Ezekiel definition of "hypocrites" devoted to "mouth" worship.

See Christ define the CENI in Jeremiah 23 specificially prophetic of people who speak on their own.
Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord;
        and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces? Jeremiah 23: 29
Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets,
        saith the Lord, that steal my words every one from his neighbour. Jeremiah 23: 30 
Blasphemy against the Spirit of Christ in the Prophets and Apostles.

Jer 23:14 I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing:
        they commit adultery, and walk in lies:
        they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness:
        they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.

Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner,
giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh,
are
set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Ju.1:7

And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city,
which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. Re.11:8

The prophetic pattern is to kindle hellish fires by a hostile introduction of the Levite "music team" actually using the curse imposed on Israel as the example.  It was only during the burnt offering of the goats to try to appease Israel (the Instrumental sect: Amos 5-8; Isaiah 5) that the Levites under the king and commanders of the army made a great noise no closer to being music than the new style of "praise singing." However, Christ especially in Isaiah 1 and Jeremiah 7 says that God DID NOT command sacrifices or burnt offerings: the were MARKS of being abandoned to worship the starry host. In fact, in some of the proof passages the punishment is to be cut free to follow your own path to salvation.

Because these sacrificial fires as an EXAMPLE of what will happen to the evil is used as a pattern to promote instrumental music and mock those who resist the forced invasion of the soul snatchers, it is appropriate to look at some of Edward Fudge's opinions about instruments and those who resis them.

Musical Worship GraceEmail Edward Fudge

Jer 23:14 I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing:
        they commit adultery, and walk in lies:
        they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness:
        they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.

Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner,
giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh,
are
set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Ju.1:7

And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city,
which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. Re.11:8

While the doctors of the law "take away the key to knowledge" it is a fact that it was musical idolatry which caused God to condemn people by "turning them over to worship the starry host" (Acts 7).
Luke 11:49 Therefore also said the wisdom of God,
        I will send them prophets and apostles,
         and some of them they shall slay and persecute:
Luke 11:50 That the blood of all the prophets,
        which was shed from the foundation of the world,
        may be required of this generation;
Luke 11:51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias,
        which perished between the altar and the temple:
        verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.
Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge:
        ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.
Luke 11:53 And as he said these things unto them,
        the scribes and the Pharisees began to urge him vehemently,
        and to provoke him to speak of many things:
Luke 11:54 Laying wait for him, and seeking to catch something out of his mouth,
        that they might accuse him.
They are in the "world" or kosmos and under the rule of the Kosmokrator against which disciples do battle using only the Sword of the Spirit and never lifeless instruments or carnal weapons.
Eph. 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Pallo like PSALLO and several other words from which people make SPEAKING into MAKING MUSIC are all primarily words of MAKING WAR or polluting people in one way or another. THAT'S why Paul put the word IN THE HEART or spirit and NOT literally SHOOTING one another in the musical contests.

Pallô, poise, sway a missile before it is thrown, sway, brandish, she drove it furiously, tripped on the shield-rim, quiver, leap, esp. in fearII. Pass., swing, dash oneself, Pi.N.5.21; vibrate, of strings, Pl.Phd.94c (psalloito ap. Stob.);  leap, bound, quiver, quake, phrena deimati pallôn S.OT153 (lyr.); dash along, of horses, E.El.477 (lyr.). 

Eph. 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith,
        wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

Puroo  A. burn with fire, burn up, “tas AthēnasHdt.7.8.b, 8.102; “stegēn

2. metaph., set on fire, inflame, “Erōs  [
name of the klēros Aphroditēs] su d' eutheōs me purōson”   klēros ( of the Levites, “Kurios autos klēros autouLXX De.18.2

> Therefore pray not thou for this people,
        neither lift up cry nor prayer for them,
        neither make intercession to me:
        for I will not hear thee.
Jeremiah 7:16

John 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world,
        but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world,
        but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 


Luke 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

> Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel;
       Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices,
       and
eat flesh. Jeremiah 7:21
>
For I spake NOT unto your fathers, nor commanded them
        in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt,
        concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: Jeremiah 7:22
> But this thing commanded I them, saying,
       Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people:
       and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you,
       that it may be well unto you. Jeremiah 7:23

Pass., to be inflamed or excited, paraggelmasin . . purōtheis kardian[heart] A.Ag.481 (lyr.); tini by a person (with love), AP12.87; “eukharistiaPh.1.60, cf. 2 Ep.Cor.11.2
Paragg-elma , atos, to, II. order, word of command,
III. instruction, precept, sophistikaPhld.Rh.1.89 S.; “to p. tōn tekhnōnD.H.Comp.25; “tekhnika p.
sophis-tikos , ē, on,
A. of or for a sophist, “biosPl.Phdr.248e; to s. genos the class of sophists, Id.Sph.224c; - (sc. tekhnē) sophistry, ib.224d, al. logos fallacy,
Sophis-tēs  A.  master of one's craft, adept, expert, of diviners ; of musicians, “sophistēs . . parapaiōn khelun” with modal words added, “hoi s. tōn hierōn melōn”  later of the rhētores, Professors of Rhetoric, and prose writers sophos ,

tekhn-ikos  Plb.16.6.6. echnical excellence, energeiai, hoion aulein [flute]  ē salpizein [trumpet]  ē kitharizein [harp] grammarians , touto sophon Apollōnidē sophistē”  [Abaddon, Apollyon]
tekhn-azō , . employ art, contrive,
II. use art or cunning, deal subtly, use subterfuges,

Aesch. Ag. 475(One Elder)
[475] Heralded by a beacon of good tidings a swift report has spread throughout the town. Yet whether it is true, or some deception of the gods, who knows?

(A Second Elder)
Who is so childish or so bereft of sense, [480] once he has let his heart be fired by sudden news of a beacon fire, to despair if the story changes?

(A Third Elder)
It is just like a woman's eager nature to yield assent to pleasing news before yet the truth is clear.

(A Fourth Elder)
[485] Too credulous, a woman's mind has boundaries open to quick encroachment; but quick to perish is rumor spread by a woman.

3. of gold, to be proved or tested by fire, “khrusion pepurōmenon ek purosApoc.3.18: metaph., proved by fire, approved, LXX Ps.17 (18).31, 118 (119).140,
The gold purified by fire comes from Gold: if you are lead you will always be lead.
When fire purifies gold it is to separate the iron from the gold. The iron is not purified but evaporates and exists in another state.
Psalms 119:139 My zeal hath consumed me, because mine enemies have forgotten thy words.
Psalms 119:140 Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.
This short paper is to affirm that Edward Fudge while denying eternal punishment MISSES the "For what mortal sin" are they separated to neo-paganism in this world so MARKED that Godly people will not attend their assemblies.  Jacob (Genesis 49) warned us against Levi and the Neo-Levites promoting musical idolatry from a PATTERN of burning innocent animals which derived from periodically slaughtering their gods by executing and burning those claiming to be "agents" of the gods ordained as mediator and tax collectors.

Edward Fudge has a long list of passages which he reads and concludes that the wicked are Annihiliated or pass out of existence. One such passage is
2Peter 3:6 Whereby the world that then was,
        being overflowed with water,
        perished:
The kosmos was the natural order of society based on the "worldly" qualities or natural qualities.  One of the final judgment concepts means to "prune" it to stop its growth. The earth or fruitful places did not cease to exist nor did the evil Cainites who survived the flood and according to Babylonian accounts restarted their system before the earth was dry.  I would like to look at the whole chapter which must be understood in the context of chapter One and chapter Two both of which leave as MARKS of false teachers those who do not teach that which Christ supplied in the prophets and apostles: both of these chapers implicate the profaning effect of "world" or kosmos religion always based on the charming or enchanting power of music.

Perished or apollumi derives from Apollo who was the Sun God worshipped by Israel at the temple and by a neo-levite-instrumental ex-church near you.  It includes:
To lay waste, waste MY substance, talk or bore to death, ruin a woman, [NOT lose one's spirit], divorce,
In chapter one Peter planned to leave us a "memory" which was written. As long as he lived he would refresh our memory which is the learning process of the ekklesia-synagogue.  This was to mark false teachers who did not honor that memory which had been Christ prophecied, Jesus perfected and validated by miracles and revealed to chosen apostles. To go beyond that would be a fatal insult to the Spirit of God.
2Peter 3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you;
        in both which I stir up your pure minds
        by way of remembrance:
Blaspheming in Jeremiah 23 is saying something and saying that God said it. Part of the folly is to DENY that God the Spirit was so ignorant that he could not define concepts. This new but ancient fall from faith is defined by Amos and Isaiah as starving for lack of the Word CAUSED by musical idolatry. Proof texting misses and causes the flock to miss the rich "heavenly" blessings which come from PREACHING the Word by READING the Word.  "Hell" might be defined as suffing the blows of a priestly class who come to believe in their mediating power in sermon and song.

Peter defines the curriculum for those who have A holy Spirit or A good conscience because they obeyed and were baptized. They were not apistos or a treacherous breed of people.  Jubal "handled" musical instruments which means "without authority." This is the time whem people "began to call on the name of Jehovah" which is understood to "call themselves God."
2Peter 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words
        which were spoken before by the holy prophets,
        and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
Spell that CENI.  Theologians still "murder" the prophets because they refuse to read or preach the message of Christ which is antithetical to the sacrificial system.

If you look at the creation story you will discover that as a pattern it is repeated of the flood, the Red Sea, of the void and empty state of the Jewish people and of baptism at which God REcreates our fallen spirit and gives us A holy spirit or a good conscience which gives us the ability to read the BLACK text on BROWN paper and be able to participate in the ekklesia-synagogue or School of Jesus Christ when the elders teach that which has been taught.

Baptism does not resurrect the disloyal (believeth-not or apistos) people.  As a result they continue to "make hell" for the whole word by fighting over institutes and liturgy. The Book of Enoch often quoted in the New Testament says that Satan taught the youth to form mix-sex choirs, play instruments, wear apparel or liturgical stola which resulted in a total fall beyond redemption.  They spend their lives lamenting their fall but TRYING to seduce others into their folly.

A baptized believer is given REST which stops all of the "spiritual anxiety created by religious ritual." The laded burden of the HELL race (crooked or viper race) is specificially defined as speaking, singing, playing instruments or doing anything within their evil power to make sure that the Word of God is silenced.

The evil Lamech family brought on the flood because of their scoffing,

2Peter 3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you;
        in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2Peter 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were
        spoken before by the holy prophets,
        and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:


That defines the CENI law which the crooked or viper race mock because they cannot obey the direct command to speak that which is written for our learning.  As a result, part of the "destruction" is an Apollo (Abaddon, Apollyon) word which also defines the "service" of the Levitical musicians pretending to burn their "gods" in never-commanded sacrificial systems.

2Peter 3:3 Knowing this first,
        that there shall come in the last days scoffers,
        walking after their own lusts,

Empaig-ma , atos, toA. jest, mocking, delusion, LXX Is.66.4; magikês empaigmata technês

Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool:
        where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
Isaiah 66:2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and those things have been,
         saith the LORD: but to this man will I look,
        even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit,
        and trembleth at my word.

paizō , prop., play like a child, sport, “ de th' hama Numphai . . agronomoi paizousi
4. play on a musical instrument, h.Ap.206: c. acc., “Pan ho kalamophthogga paizōnAr.Ra.230; dance and sing, Pi. O.1.16.
5. play amorously, “pros allēlousX.Smp.9.2; “meta tinosLXX Ge.26.8; of mares, Arist.HA572a30.
The almost universal definition of hell is to MARK those whom God is driving into hell to the sounds of wind, string and percussion instrumnents. These are the same instruments Lucifer the singing and harp-playing prostitute brought into the garden of Eden when she/he was cast as profane (the halal-chalal-lucifer word).  See Isaiah 33 where Christ in spirit spoke of these same people who are used as a patternism to claim that "a" spirit told THEM to impose instrumental praise.
Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb,
        as if he cut off a dog’s neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine’s blood;
        he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol.
        Yea, they have chosen their own ways,
        and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
Isaiah 66:4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them;
         because when I called, none did answer;
         when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes,
        and chose that in which I delighted not.

That is the Command Example Inference: you get no choice
H8586 ta‛ălûl tah-al-ool' From H5953 ; caprice (as a fit coming on), that is, vexation; concretely a tyrant:—babe, delusion Alal (h5953) glean,, mock,

Illūdo 1. To scoff or mock at, to make a laughing-stock of, to ridicule,
ipsa praecepta (rhetorum),Cic. de Or. 1, 19, 87:
voces Neronis, quoties caneret,Tac. A. 14, 52Plane
plănus , i, m., = planos, I. a juggler, impostor, cheat (class.; cf. “erro): ille planus improbissimus,Cic. Clu. 26, 72: fracto crure planum attollere
căno , cĕcĭni, cantum (ancient I. [select] imp. cante = canite,
2. Of the faulty delivery of an orator, to speak in a sing-song tone: “inclinată ululantique voce more Asiatico canere,
C. Transf., of the instruments by which, or (poet.) of the places in which, the sounds are produced, to sound, resound: “canentes tibiae,Cic. N. D. 2, 8, 22: “maestae cecinere tubae,Prop. 4 (5), 11, 9. 
C. Since the responses of oracles were given in verse, to prophesy, foretell, predict.
However, the Godly people will honor the Word of God as it is written for our learning.

Isaiah 66:5 Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word;
        your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name’s sake, said,
         Let the LORD be glorified:
         but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.

When you hear these people taking music into the reality of the Holy Place:

Isaiah 66:6 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple,
         a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompence to his enemies.

Musical idolatry was the sin at Mount Sinai: God abandoned the Levi tribe to worship the starry host.  However, not in Jerusalem or the vilest pagan temple would singers or players go into the covered holy places under penalty of death. Therefore MARK of God carrying out the driving into hell process is:

Vox oratio'st eloquent speech ŭlŭlo , āvi, “theatrum ita resonans,
ŭlŭlo , āvi,(halal) B.  Transf., of places, to ring, resound, re-echo with howling: “penitusque cavae plangoribus aedes Femineis ululant,Verg. A. 2, 488: “resonae ripae,Sil. 6, 285: “Dindyma sanguineis Gallis,
Gallus , A. Galli , ōrum, m., the priests of Cybele, so called because of their raving, m., a priest of Cybele, Mart. 3, 81; 11, 74; cf. Quint. 7, 9, 2: “resupinati cessantia tympana Galli,Juv. 8, 176.—And satirically (on account of their emasculated condition),
Of or belonging to the priests of Isis, Gallic: “turma,the troop of the priests of Isis, Ov. Am. 2, 13, 18.
siderā excantata voce Thessalā,incantation, id. Epod. 5, 45:
sayings, maxims, doctrines, Hor. Ep. 1, 1, 34; cf.: “populum falsis Dedocet uti Vocibus,id. C. 2, 2, 21: “deripere lunam vocibus,with charms, incantations, i
Excanto I. to charm out or forth, to bring out by enchantment (not in Cic. or Caes.), Varr. ap. Non. 102, 11; Lucil. and Plaut. ib.; * Prop. 3, 3, 49 (4, 2, 49 M.); * Hor. Epod. 5, 45; Luc. 6, 686; 9, 931: QVI FRVGES EXCANTASSIT, i. e. had removed them by enchantment into another field, Tab. XII. ap. Plin. 28, 2, 4, § 17
Peter MARKS those who will be Cast Alive into the "Lake of Fire" which is outside the city of the new Jerusalem

This is defined by Christ through Isaiah as the coming of the Lord

Isaiah 66:15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Isaiah 66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh:
        and the slain of the LORD shall be many.

Isaiah 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine’s flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

Con-sūmo , B. n partic., of food, to eat, consume, devour
1.  In gen., to consume, devour, waste, squander, annihilate, destroy, bring to naught, kill.

a. Of inanimate things: “faciat quod lubet: Sumat, consumat, perdat,
Consume other peoples patrimony:
patrimonium per luxuriam,Cic. Rosc. Am. 2, 6: “bona paterna,Quint. 3, 11, 13; 3, 11, 16:
Consume—Of time, to spend, listening to: “horas multas saepe suavissimo sermone,Cic. Fam. 11, 27, 5
Consume precando Tempora cum blandis verbis, to waste or lose time and words in supplications, Ov. M. 2, 575:
Consume spiritus,id. 11, 3, 53 or inspiration of God by following the spirit of Abaddon, Apollyon.
Spīrĭtusa). Sing.: “quoslibet occupat artus Spiritus,Ov. M. 15, 167; Tac. A. 16, 34: spiritum Phoebus mihi, Phoebus artem Carminis dedit, poetic spirit or inspiration, Hor. C. 4, 6, 29
LOOK FOR THEM. LOOK IN THE MORNING AS THE CARCASE OF DEAD MEN TALKING WITHOUT A SPIRIT CONSUME THEMSELVES AND THEIR DESCIPLES.

In another Edward Fudge proof text, after the New Jerusalem and heaven and earth comes to power:
Isaiah 66:24 And they shall go forth,
        and look upon the carcases of the men
        that have transgressed against me:
        for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; [never satisfied]
        and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Cădāver A corpse among other things means the dead body of a person: this person is being destroyed BODY and SOUL.  However, this says nothing about their spirit.

Prae-vārĭcor , To walk crookedly in the discharge of one's duty, not to act uprightly; esp. of an advocate who is guilty of collusion with the opposite party, to make a sham accusation or defence, to collude, prevaricate:
WATCH at the burning pits as people prevaricate: they say that God commanded them to impose all of the PROOFS of the dead: making sermons rather than speaking the Word, acting to fool the foolish, singing or enchanting instead of teaching the Word and consuming other people's inheritance: that is the Chalal wors: playing the pipe, stealing people's inheritance, polluting or prostituting the Word.
You are guilty if you command where you say God has not commanded while you prevaricate that you have the authority to impose when God has not imposed.

Joshua 7.11 Israel has sinned; yes, they have even transgressed my covenant which I commanded them: yes, they have even taken of the devoted thing, and have also stolen, and dissembled also; and they have even put it among their own stuff.
Joshua 7:12 Therefore the children of Israel could not stand before their enemies, but turned their backs before their enemies, because they were accursed: neither will I be with you any more, except ye destroy the accursed from among you.

Joshua 7:13 Up, sanctify the people, and say, Sanctify yourselves against to morrow: for thus saith the LORD God of Israel, There is an accursed thing in the midst of thee, O Israel: thou canst not stand before thine enemies, until ye take away the accursed thing from among you.
Mŏrĭor , mortŭus, 3 ( of things, to die away, decay, to wither away, pass away, to vanish, lose its strength, etc.; “of members of the body: id quod supra vinculum est, moritur,loses its vitality
1. Lit.: “sanguine tauri poto mortuus concidit,Cic. Brut. 11, 43.—Prov.: “mortuum esse alicui, to be dead to one, to wish to have nothing further to do with him, Plaut. Cist. 3, 15.—
2. Transf. a. Of persons, faint, overwhelmed: “cum tu, quod tibi succederetur, exsanguis et mortuus concidisti,Cic. Pis. 36, 88.—
Esp. (eccl. Lat.), dead, without spiritual life: nomen habes quod vivas et mortuus es,Vulg. Apoc. 3, 1: “fides sine operibus mortua est,id. Jac. 2, 26; cf. id. Eph. 2, 1;

A.
Revelation 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
B.
Vox oratio'st eloquent speech ŭlŭlo , āvi, “theatrum ita resonans,
ŭlŭlo , āvi,(halal) B.  Transf., of places, to ring, resound, re-echo with howling: “penitusque cavae plangoribus aedes Femineis ululant,Verg. A. 2, 488: “resonae ripae,Sil. 6, 285: “Dindyma sanguineis Gallis,
Gallus , A. Galli , ōrum, m., the priests of Cybele, so called because of their raving, m., a priest of Cybele, Mart. 3, 81; 11, 74; cf. Quint. 7, 9, 2: “resupinati cessantia tympana Galli,Juv. 8, 176.—And satirically (on account of their emasculated condition),
Of or belonging to the priests of Isis, Gallic: “turma,the troop of the priests of Isis, Ov. Am. 2, 13, 18.
If you mock Jesus about baptism you have abandoned the only thing Jesus commanded by which He would give you A holy spirit: without that holy spirit or A good conscience, you will not be able to read black text on brown paper and people will look at your carcase as you are delusioned into believing that you can supply your own spirit.
C.
Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Ephesians 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Hell or the garbage pit in Jerusalem and most cities were places where the most evil people went as opposed to a grave as symbolic of rest.  This was a TYPE of the future punishment because anniahilated dead people could care less where you dumped their bodies.

Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner,
giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh,
are
set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Ju.1:7

And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city,
which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. Re.11:8

God actually sends strong delusions to those who reject the Word of God: lying wonders are identified as "religious rituals specdificially involving all of the hypocritic or performing arts." They are engaged in burning up or consuming themselves by their own lips which burn. While the Jerusalem temple or the performance houses of "progressive churches" may look like whited tombstones to them, the watching world gags and runs from the place even if they have to abandon their old "investment.

The Scribes and Pharisees or Hypocrite Christ marked as speakers, singers and instrument players with songs and sermons they just made up.  The Jewish nation went away to everlasting shame but it was not annihilated.

Besides musically mocking Jesus--then and now--they also MOCKED at the idea of baptism FOR the remission of sins:

First:

Luke 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.
Luke 7:29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans,
         justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.
Luke 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected
        the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.

By mocking baptism they in fact refuse to credit Jesus Christ and in fact call Him a liar.

Second:

John 12:38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake,
        Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?
John 12:39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart;
        that they should not see with their eyes,
        nor understand with their heart,
        and be converted,
        and I should heal them.
John 12:41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.
John 12:42 Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him;
        but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him,
        lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
They will STILL put you out of their synagogues and stalk you around the country spreading hatred. They are being in the lake of fire while STILL ALIVE.

No one is more mocked than those who insist that Jesus was telling the truth about baptism or those who refuse to MUSICALL MOCK Him right up to the cross.

In the final "cycle" or packet of time the Jesus mockers will repeat the pattern of mocking His commands to be baptized and promote instrumental music which they known in their wicked heart will silence the Word of Jesus.
-Prospaizô2. abs., sport, jest3. laugh at, make fun or sport ofsing to the gods, sing in their praise or honour, 2. banter, tous rhêtoras

-Pl.Epin.980b Plato Epinomis, or Nocturnal Council: Athenian
[980b] and honoring the gods, with high tribute of his hymns and affluence throughout the period of his own life. (aion)

-Paig-ma , atos, to, A.play, sport, lôtoshotan . . paigmatabremêi whene'er the pipe sounds its sportive strains, E.Ba.161(lyr.); Ludia p. luras

-Empaizô A. -xomaiLXXHb.1.10: pf. empepaikha ib.Nu.22.29:— mock at, mock, “tiniHdt.4.134; “tinaPCair.Preis.3.10 (iv A.D.): abs., S.Ant.799:—Pass., “psukhē hupo . . sōmatōn kai pragmatōn empaizomenē.
2. euphem. in mal. part., LXXJd. 19.25.
3. Pass., to be deluded, Ev.Matt.2.16, AP10.56.2 (Pall.), Vett.Val.16.14;
        to be defrauded, of the revenues, Cod.Just.1.34.2.
II. sport in or on, “hōs nebros khloerais e. leimakos hēdonais E.Ba. 866 (lyr.); tois khoroisin e. to sport in the dance, Ar.Th.975; “ gumnasiōLuc.Lex.5.
The Postmodern scheme denies that Jesus spoke for our changed culture: therefore, they are partnering with the Holy Spirit to work out a new set of scriptures to fit OUR aions.
2Peter 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep,
        all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

God tested or stretched the nation of Israel with a 40 day plan at Mount Sinai. 
The ungodly people BROKE under the stress and fell back or "cracked away" to their old trinitarian idolatry practiced in Egypt.  Joseph Campbell says that those who lose faith in their old religion "crack away" to the archaic. That is why they go back to Jerusalem or even Babylon for their "new style of worship." This is a MARK which believers will recognize and flee Babylon.

Jesus has stretched the doctors of the law or theologians for which there is no certificate of need and since they work out of their own imagination--like the Scribes and Pharisees--they begin to beat people and fleece them wil "laws" of tithing and giving.  They focus on building mega-temples and use the Levites--an old infant-burning sect in Egypt--as their patternism for ENHANCING their little kingdom: violent men use violent means to HASTEN the coming of the kingdom.

Edward Fudge
proof texts
2Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of,
         that by the word of God the heavens were of old,
         and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Peter 3:6 Whereby the world that then was,
        being overflowed with water,
        perished:


They are not ignorant: they are willingly ignorant of the Word of God.

The Bible and contemporaneous literature makes it clear that the Cainites of the Evil Lamech survived the flood which covered the "earth" or their fruitful place of the agriculturists who practiced fertility rituals. Moses knew these accounts from Babylonian tablets up to 3,000 years old when He was born. He tried to inform the fallen Israelites but they were WILLINGLY IGNORANT. Moses and Paul (in 2 Cor 3) says that they could not READ the Word nor could they understand it when it was READ in the synagogues. Most people cannot hear the word because it is not PREACHED by being READ. Therefore, the worldly people informed by the Devil were not anniahilated.

The earth was not anniahilated but underwent a radical change: It is still undergoing radical suffering by fire.  The "world" in a personified sense still exists and seems to be actively producing floods, earthquakes and fires in a ceaseless effort to curse the godly people.

The people of the world or Kosmos--for whom Jesus would not pray--continued to engage in the worship of the starry host including the sun.  This was personified by the tribe of Levi who was the evil thread of whom Jacob warned (Genesis 49).  At the same time, Jacob pointed to the Lion of the Tribe of Judah whom we should honor.

OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO PERISHED AT THE FLOOD
1Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust,
        that he might bring us to God,
        being put to death in the flesh,
        but quickened by the Spirit:
1Peter 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient,

        when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah,
        while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is,
        eight souls were saved by water.
1Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us
        (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh,
        but the REQUEST FOR A good conscience toward God,)
        by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
1Peter 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God;
        angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
The masses of people who lived on the earth by the time of Noah did not hear the message or did no obey it. THEY did not go out of existence and the earth or "fruitful places" did not go out of existence permanently. The Cainites are right there in the Babylonian flood accounts and RESTARTED the pagan, musical idolatry.

Those two RACES continue of the literal world--which was not put out of existence as well as the PEOPLE of the Kosmos who keep up their part of the antagonism through religious rituals.

The earth perished in a figurative sense with theological warnings.
Apollu_mi or apol-uō
2. in NT, perish, in theological sense, Ev.Jo.3.16, al.; hoi apollumenoi, opp. hoi sōzomenoi, 1 Ep.Cor.1.18.
II. to be lost, hudōr apolesket' (of the water eluding Tantalus) Od.11.586;

Romans 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity,
            not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Romans 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered
         from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Romans 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth
        in pain together until now.
As a "pattern" that is a fairly long Aion!
Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also,
        which have the firstfruits of the Spirit,
        even we ourselves groan within ourselves,
        waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
DID JESUS SAY THAT THE SPIRIT WOULD BE ANNIHIALATED?
Matthew 10:27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light:
        and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body,
        but are not able to kill the soul:
        but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

The word "destroyed" does no mean annihilate: it is closely connected to the "service" of the Levites always burning things and to Apollo who is Abaddon or Apollyon in evelatiobn.
Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish [apollumi]: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved (Mt. 9:17, KJV).

The wineskin did not cease to exist: it was "demoted" to perhaps more humble uses as were the "clay jars" when broken in Jeremiah becamse the tablets upon which God had lots of His message carried down to us.

"For this my son was dead and is alive again; he was lost [apollumi] and is found." And they began to be merry (Lk. 15:24, NKJV).

1Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.
        There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written,
        The first man Adam was made a living soul;
         the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Corinthians 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural;
        and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Corinthians 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy:
        the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Corinthians 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy:
        and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

Those who REFUSE to be baptized will never have A holy spirit or A good conscience which Christ translates into His church or heavenly kingdom

JESUS DID NOT SAY THAT THE SPIRIT COULD BE DESTROYED.
Psukhe life, save their life, IV. the conscious self or personality as centre of emotions, desires, and affection We are body (soma), soul (Psukhe or life) and spirit (Pneuma).
II. to be lost, hudōr apolesket' (of the water eluding Tantalus)
The baptized believer has a redeemed body and life: their spirit has already been translated into a safe place.

Those who refuse to obey the direct command of Jeus Christ will never have A holy spirit or A good conscience. Therefore, those who are lost are left with an EVIL spirit or conscience. They live in a world of other evil spirits.
1Thessalonians 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
1Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly;
        and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body
        be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Thessalonians 5:24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

Pneuma III. divine inspiration,agria . . pneumata theuphoriēs
IV. the spirit of God,
2. spirit of man, “eit' esti touto p. theion eite nousMen.482.3: in NT, Opposite. psukhē, 1 Ep.Thess.5.23, cf. Ep.Rom.8.2; p., opp. sōmati, 1 Ep.Cor.5.3; also, Lpposite. gramma, Ep.Rom.2.29.
psukhēsin thanatos hudōr genesthai, hudati de thanatos gēn genesthai, ek gēs de hudōr ginetai, ex hudatos de ps.
Therefore, if you destroy the body and soul you are left with an unbaptized human spirit which is punished in  a supplicating sense because it cannot find rest even now.
2Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now,
        by the same word are kept in store,
        reserved unto fire against the day of judgment
        and perdition of ungodly men.
Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

ăb-ĕo I. to go from a place, to go away, depart., death,
2. To be changed from one's own ways or nature into something else, to be transformed, metamorphosed;
in corpus corpore toto,to pass with their whole body into another, Lucr. 4, 1111:  
Paul warns us: even if the theologians (defacto Levites) cannot tolerate the tension of being tried and tested and BREAK AWAY, don't go with them. Their definition of TIME is not God's definition.

2Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing,
        that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years,
        and a thousand years as one day.
2Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise,
        as some men count slackness;
                (latter day doctors of the law are CERTAIN that the teachings of Jesus Christ
                through the apostles have expired.)

        but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish,
        but that all should come to repentance.
ALL of us died. Perish does not mean die forever.
2Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night;
        in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise,
        and the elements shall melt with fervent heat,
        the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
[10] adveniet autem dies Domini ut fur in qua caeli magno impetu transient elementa vero calore solventur
impĕtus  : “primo hostium impetu pulsi,
II. Transf., in gen. (without reference to an object), violent impulse, violent or rapid motion, impetus, impetuosity, violence, fury, vehemence, vigor, force. caper
B. Mental, impulse, vehemence, ardor, passion, etc. : “aliter in oratione
       
Căpĭo  the right of property acquired by prescription,
        b. To win, captivate, charm, allure, enchain, enslave, fascinate; mostly with
                abl. of means: false doctrine,
Carmine I. a tune, song; poem, verse; an oracular response, a prophecy; a form of incantationI. In gen., a tune, song, air, lay, strain, note, sound, both vocal and instrumental 5. A magic formula, an incantation (cf.: cano, cantus, and canto).
6. On account of the very ancient practice of composing forms of religion and law in Saturnian verse, also a formula in religion or law,
Pello , 1. To drive out or away, to thrust or turn out, expel, banish; esp. milit., to drive back, discomfit, rout the enemy of the place from which one is repelled or driven back,
2. In milit. lang., to rout, put to flight, discomfit:
3. To strike, set in motion, impel: “inpello, sagitta pulsa manu,Verg. A. 12, 320.—
4. Of a musical instrument, to strike the chords, play: “nervi pulsi,struck, Cic. Brut. 54, 199: “lyra pulsa manu,Ov. M. 10, 205; cf.: “classica pulsa,” i. e. blown,
1. To drive out or away, to banish, expel:
2Peter 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved,
        what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

2Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God,
        wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved,
        and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

2Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise,
        look for new heavens and a new earth,
        wherein dwelleth righteousness.

2Peter 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things,
        be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
2Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation;
        even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;


The people at the flood did not cease to exist spiritually.
Peter used that as a pattern.
The PATTERN insists that the spotted and blemished people were not annihilated: the Catholic dogma of purgatory thinks that they have a second chance.

2Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

2Peter 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before,
        beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked,
        fall from your own stedfastness.
2Peter 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
        To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen

The SECRET MESSAGE of the Scribes and Pharisees called hypocrites by Jesus and identified by Christ in Ezekiel 33 as speakers, singers and instrument players was that they COMPOSED their own songs and sermons to deliberately NOT have to teach the commandments of God. They did it and spoke on their own because Jesus said they were sons of the Devil. The second reason the Devil tries to use a red herring to get you off the glory land trail is that they can force you to PAY them whereas the Word of Christ are FREE and He commanded us NOT to seek our own pleasure or even speak our own words as doctrine.




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