RICK ATCHLEY Richland Hills Church of Christ Insrumental Music

Rick Atchley and Richland Hills Church of Christ Elders Jusfifying removing the Deacon and adding female special servants. Challenged, they defend the deaconess.

If a person believes that he has advanced beyond the Word of Christ, and if he boasts about slowly "boiling your tadpoles" using music in youth groups, he is preparing them for the Lake of Fire. The Lake of Fire was specificially prepared for those agents who are God's enemies. They are driven ALIVE into the lake of fire and the rhetoric, singing and instruments are the PROOFS (Revelation 18) that the theatrical performance AND the lamps have been removed by Christ.

Matthew 26 Jesus sung a hymn and went out

Well if you present yourself as a Doctor of the Law willing to deliberately sow discord it would really be nice if you defined words in the context in which Christ taught the foundational resource through the Prophets and Apostles.  They did not sing as in "sang and clan in whiney-falsetto praise songs singing their OWN material."  Both in Greek and Latin Hymn means to SPEAK and Latin Dicto means to SPEAK.  In that time and place before the rules were changed the word SPEAK was the opposite of poetry or music.  Poets, song writers and rhetoricians were not permitted to write TRUTH but what truth WOULD have been if they had been in charge.
Matthew 26.30  et hymno dicto exierunt in montem Oliveti

Humn-eō , Ep. humneiō Hes.Op.2; Ep.3pl.
II. tell over and over again, harp upon, repeat, recite,
        ton nomon humnein recite [erō say] the form of the law, Id.Lg.871a:
2.  in pass. sense, phēmai . . humnēsousi peri ta ōta will ring in their ears Pl.R.463d

Phēmē  I. utterance prompted by the gods, significant or prophetic saying, II. any voice or words, speech, saying, logōn ph. poet. periphr. for logoi, S.Ph.846 (lyr.
Logos, verbal noun of lego
        Opposite kata pathos
        Opposite music, poetry or rhetoric
        Opposite human reasoning
        Opposite Epagoge bringint in to one's aid, introduction
                Alurement, enticement, incantation, spell

Opposite Pathos  A. that which happens to a person or thing, incident, accident,
where this incident took place, unfortunate accident,
2. what one has experienced, good or bad, experience
II. of the soul, emotion, passion (“legō de pathē . . holōs hois hepetai hēdonē ē lupēArist.EN1105b21), “sophiē psukhēn pathōn aphaireitai

Psalm 60 A teaching poem by David, when he fought with Aram Naharaim and with Aram Zobah, and Joab returned, and killed twelve thousand of Edom in the Valley of Salt.

There is no SINGING TUNEFULLY involved in hymning: In Latin

Dīcoto say, tell, mention, relate, affirm, declare, state; to mean, intend (for syn. cf.: for, loquor stands for the Gr. eipein pros tina,
Ontōs , Adv. part. of eimi A. (sum), really, actually, verily, with Verb
Alēth-ēs a^, Dor. ala_thēs , es, (lēthō,
I. Hom., Opposite. pseudēs, in phrases alēthea muthēsasthai, eipein, agoreuein, alēthes enispein
3. of oracles, true, unerring, “alathea mantiōn thōkonPi. P.11.6, cf. S.Ph.993, E.Ion1537; of dreams, A.Th.710. “alēthei logō khrasthaiHdt. 1.14
        Opposite Epos
1. song or lay accompanied by music, 8.91,17.519. b. generally, poetry, even lyrics
        5. celebrate, of poets, “Aiantos bian

1 Corinthians 14 Speaking in tongues OUTLAWS lifeless instruments

Paul used a word "speaking" which is used in the real world:

La^l-eō ,Mark of the Locusts
II.  chatter, opp. articulate speech, as of locusts, chirp, Theoc.5.34; mesēmbrias lalein tettix (sc. eimi), a very grasshopper to chirp at midday, 
III.  of musical sounds, “aulō [flute] laleōTheoc.20.29; of trees, v.supr.1.2; “di'aulou [flute] ē salpiggos l.”[trumpet] Arist. Aud.801a29; of Echo, D.C.74.14: also c.acc. cogn., magadin lalein sound the magadis, Anaxandr.35. [double flute]

That is why in 1 Corinthians 13 he used clanging brass and tinkling cymbals to describe speaking in tongues: if you use musical instruments you are pretending that lifeless instruments (carnal weapons) can speak FOR you.

1Corinthians 14:8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

Salp-igx , iggos, , A. war-trumpet hupai salpiggos by sound of trumpet, S.El.711, cf. Ar.Ach.1001; also apo s. X.Eq.Mag.3.12, Plb.4.13.1.

The only thing a trumpet can do is make SOUND. It was a war trumpet or reserved for sending life-saving signals. If Silly Willy is blowing his cow's horn he is endangering the society.

1Corinthians 1:5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him,
        in all utterance, and in all knowledge;
1Corinthians 1:6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:

Utterence is inclusive of that which is written for our learning:

Opposite kata pathos,personal experiences.
Opposite muthos, as history to legend, Ti.26e; “poiein muthous all' ou logousPhd.61b, cf. Grg.523a         (but muthon legein,
Opposite. prooimion
Opposite. phōnē, Arist.Pol.1253a14
prose, Opposite. poiēsis, Id.R.390a;
Opposite. poiētikē
meaning, no authority, “ouden l. to sōphronōs traphēnai
ALL HYPOCRITIC PERFORMING ARTS: RHETORIC, SINGING, PLAYING IS ANTITHETICAL TO THE WORD OF CHRIST.

5.01.11 Well prophesied in Revelation 17-18

John T. Willis 2. "Sing" is vocal; "make melody" is instrumental. Psalms 33:2-3; 144:9; 149:1, 3 make this crystal clear. Amos 5:23 further verifies this reality.  People forget that God turned Israel over to worship the starry host because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. The Levites were under the KING and the COMMANDERS of the army: they made war and not worship. We will examine these passages in context.

Church is Ekklesia or Synagogue: both for instruction only: both exclusive of any performing arts: you don't do music when God's Word is taught.  I submit that you cannot be a Christian if you do not understand the meaning of "teach them what I have commanded to be taught."

Jay Guin, Lawyer, has come up with another rationale for violating Christ's direct command for the Church of Christ in the wilderness.  He uses examples NOT at the Temple and concludes that it was the Temple shut down but not "instrumental worship" wihch is an oxymoron. The problem is that all of these attempts at proof seem guided "beyond the sacred pages" to recommend something that was perverted and a terminal sin such as the rising up to PLAY at Mount Sinai. 

http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.Instrumental.Music.Old.Testament.html

1.04.11 Bible 101a
Christ in Isaiah 23 (etal, etal) that if you teach something that the Lord has not taught then you are guilty of blasphemy.
That is spell CENI as far as what anyone is allowed to speak in the name of the Lord.
If you add instruments and claim that "the lord commanded instrumental praise."
And the Lord has not commanded you to impose instruments when He comes to be our sole Teacher: that spells BLASPHEMY and there can be no innocent bystanders.
Are your preachers leading you into the Jewish worship of Moloch.  Click for background before you listen to the patternist Levitical musical worship teams which are based on them as IGNITERS OF THE FIRES.

See Ken Cukrowski, Mark Hamilton and James Thompson in God's Holy Fire
Look to the Hills the Zoe Group
Baptizing Santa, Rubel Shelly
Cosmic Christmas Max Lucado

I have added 2 Chronicles 29 which Rick Atchley and the NACC use to claim that "God commands instrumental praise and we should not be disobedient." The mantra of the NACC who held Rick's hands and mislead the elders and some ACU guys.  The musical worship team which is a heritical and anti-direct command rejection of Christ the Spirit DOGMA, and the addition of the DEACONESS was part of the usual "navigating the winds of Change" promoted by Lynn Anderson, was a "frog boiling" dissociation with the ultimate, Atchley-confessed, plan to bring about unity with HIS heritage by adding instrumental music, we will take a quick look at Hezekiah's Plague Stopping animal slaughter as a POLITICAL effort to bring about UNITY with the priests of Judah who had fled and the nation of Israel which had turned back totally to the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai

We will show that the instruments of the warrior Levites was used only in the BURNT OFFERING for Israel which had become a literal Instrumental Music Sect, but over and over Christ in the prophets and other Scriptures claim that God did not COMMAND burnt offerings or sacrifices when He rescued them by Grace from Egypt.  They immediately fell into musical idolatry and God "turned them over to worship the starry host.  It is logical that the Levites would perform the purely Civil-Military burnt offering NOISE because they were connected with the Molech baby-burning human sacrifice in Egypt.
Gods.Holy.Fire.ACU.htmlP.html

Carthage through the Phoenicians brought this paganism to Canaan long before the Israelites arrived.

"In an inscription from Cyprus, in one from Rhodes and in several from around the district of Carthage, [The Source of Molech Worship] there are references to important personages who bear the title Mqm'lm which we can translate as AROUSERS of the god.'" (de Vaux, Roland, The Bible and the Ancient Near East, Doubleday, p. 247)

"We even have a mention at a later date of a similar custom in connection with the cult in Jerusalem, where certain Levites, called me'oreim, 'AROUSERS,' sang (every morning?) this verse from "Ps 44:23: "Awake, O Lord! Why do you sleep? Rouse yourself! Do not reject us forever." The Talmud tells us that John Hyrcanus suppressed the practice because it recalled too readily a pagan custom." (Roland de Vaux, p. 247).

     Psalm 57:8 Awake up, my glory; awake, psaltery and harp: I myself will awake early.
     Psalm 108:2 Awake, psaltery and harp: I myself will awake ea

H6049 ‛ânan aw-nan' A primitive root; to cover; used only as denominative from H6051 , to cloud over; figuratively to act covertly, that is, practise magic:— X bring, enchanter, Meonemin, observe (-r of) times, soothsayer, sorcerer.

Deut. 18:14 For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath not suffered thee so to do. 

Deut. 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 

Therefore thou hast forsaken thy people the house of Jacob, because they be replenished from the east, and are soothsayers like the Philistines, and they please them selves in the children of strangers (adulterous women). Isaiah 2:6

Soothsayers: Anan (h6049) aw-nan'; a prim. root; to cover; used only as denom. from 6051, to cloud over; fig. to act covertly, i. e. practise magic: - * bring, enchanter, Meonemin, observer of times, soothsayer, sorcerer.

This points to RESPONSIVE SINGING and the worship of ANATH.

Nachash (h5172) naw-khash'; a prim. root; prop. to hiss, i. e. whisper a (magic) spell; gen. to prognosticate: - * certainly, divine, enchanter, (use) * enchantment, learn by experience, * indeed, diligently observe.

Nachash (h5175) naw-khawsh'; from 5172; a snake (from its hiss): - serpent.

The me'oreim term is associated with the "resounding gong" and the "clanging cymbal" of 1 Cor. 13-- me'onem "means to emit a hoarse nasal sound such as was customary in reciting the prescribed formula" or charm.

"Peckham 1987:84-87: the association of Astarte with the dying god, Eshmun, may well be related to child sacrifice, as Peckham; Robertson 1982:329. Given the parallel to Genesis 22, the tradition of Kronos sacrificing his only son as a part of the Phoenician cult looks to be related to the thriving business of infant sacrifice in Phoenician culture.

The mourning ritual connected with Astarte in KAI 37 and elsewhere, and the tradition of "raising the god" (mqm 'lm), identified as Astarte's bridegroom in KAI 44:2, in Phoenician epigraphs (c.f. the Eqron epigraph, lmqm, in the seventh c., where other indications of Phoenician influence are present), suggest the importance of the cycle through the underworld in this cult

Peckham, J. B. 1987 Phoenicia and the Religion of Israel: The Epigraphic Evidence. Pp. 79-99 in Ancient Israelite Religion. Essays in Honor of Frank Moore Cross, ed. P. D. Miller, P. D. Hanson and S. D. McBride.Philadelphia: Fortress.

Christ through Isaiah warned about this:

Is. 28:14 Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.
Is. 28:15 Because ye have said, 

        We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement;
        when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us:
        for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
Is. 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.  
THE RELIGIOUS FEAST IS A MARK OF THIS COVENANT WITH DEATH

A vital focus of questioning was the world of the dead. The recently deceased might exert influence on the living for good or for bad. Offerings to the dead, which were required by custom, were intended, among other purposes, to make them well disposed. People occasionally deposited with their offerings a letter telling the deceased of their problems and asking for assistance. A few of these letters are complaints to the deceased person, alleging that he or she is afflicting the writer. This written communication with the dead was confined to the very few literate members of the population, but it was probably part of a more widespread oral practice. Some tombs of prominent people acquired minor cults that may have originated in frequent successful recourse to them for assistance. Britannica Online

See The Feast of Tabernacles in Jerusalem

The Marzeah in Amos 5

"The marzeah had an extremely long history extending at least from the 14th century B.C. through the Roman period. In the 14th century B.C., it was prominently associated with the ancient Canaanite city of Ugarit (modern Ras Shamra), on the coast of Syria...

The marzeah was a pagan ritual that took the form of a social and religious association... Some scholars regard the funerary marzeah as a feast for--and with--deceased ancestors (or Rephaim, a proper name in the Bible for the inhabitants of Sheol)." (King, Biblical Archaeological Review, Aug, 1988, p. 35, 35)

"These five elements are: (1) reclining or relaxing, (2) eating a meat meal, (3) singing with harp or other musical accompaniment, (4) drinking wine and (5) anointing oneself with oil." (King, p. 37).

"we recognize the same elements: the sacrifices and libation, the cultic feast in which the congregation gets a share of food and drink after it has been blessed by the king, and the merry-making, now in the form of instrumental and vocal music. But the central act of the ritual, which was performed by the king, is called literally 'drinking' the god (Gurney, O. R. Some Aspects of Hittite Religion, p. 33-34, Oxford University Press, 1977)

"The normal order of events was a meal, followed by a drinking party. Entertainment might include anything from a rhetorcian or philosopher discoursing on some topic, to musical entertainment, to sexual dalliance."

"Plutarch implicitly contrasts a serious dinner featuring a sage as the after-dinner speaker with the other sorts of dinners--where sexual play with the girl flute-players or hetairae was common." (Witherington, Ben, Why Not Idol Meat, Bible Review, June 1994, p. 41-42).

Flute-player or harp-player was a synonym for prostitute.

Isaiah 30 proves that hell has been prepared for the FINAL ACT and the sounds of God driving His enemies into hell are the sounds of the wind, string and percussion instruments. These are the instruments that Lucifer called the singing and harp playing prostitute in the Garden of Eden, and the same instruments the Babylon mother of harlots' "lusted after fruits" uses in Revelation 18 as lying speakers, singers and instrument players. Because these are called dogs or sorcerers they will have a place reserved in the lake of fire with the sorcerers.

SO THE WORDS THAT PEOPLE SPEAK WILL BE THE BEGINNING SIGNS OF THE BURNING PROCESS.
Strong delusions produce lying wonders which are false claims made for drama, music and rhetoric: as we write.
IT NORMALLY TAKES ABOUT A DECADE TO INFILTRATE AND DIVERT A CHURCH TO MUSICAL AND THEATRICAL PERFORMANCE

The introduction of the Musical Worship Team is of course a repudiation fo the ekklesia or Church of Christ: Christ defined it in the wilderness to be:
Inclusive of Rest (sabbath), Reading and Rehearsing the Word of God.
Exclusive of vocal or instrumental rejoicing.
The sacrificial system Rick seeks to restory was God's abandonment of them to "worship the starry host." Anyone who had ever read Acts for comprehension would see several lights go off.   Nothing in the Monarchy with Civil-Military-Priestly complex was ordained but IMPOSED on Israel when the elders fired God and demanded a king like the nations (Canaan, Egypt, Babylon, Greece) so they could worship like those nations.  One of the MARKS of the kings God gave in His anger would be to force the boys off the farms to make instruments and run before the chariots and of course be the first to be killed.

PART OF THE "FROG BOILING PROCESS" WAS TO USE DEACONESSES [posted below] AS A MARK OF AN EFFEMINATE, MOTHER GODDESS WORSHIP.

RICK CLAIMS HEZEKIAH'S PLAGUE STOPPING ANIMAL SLAUGHTER AS GOD COMMANDING HIM TO ADD INSTRUMENTS KNOWING THAT IT WOULD SOW DISCORD AND "STEAL THE CHURCH HOUSES OF WIDOWS AND HONEST WORKING PEOPLE."

IF RICK IS WRONG THEN NEITHER HE NOR THOSE WHO HAVE ENABLED HIM ARE BEYOND REDEMPTION.  Places like ACU have sold out and facilitated the training of such preachers.
"The Israelite state was not founded with divine blessing. Rather, it was allowed as a grudging concession, just as a parent lets a child have his way in order that he may learn his folly from experience." (Anderson, Bernard, Theology of the O.T. p. 163).

"In one sense the creation of the monarchy was
providential...In retrospect, one can say that events which brought about the collapse of the Confederacy and the rise of the Israelite state were not...devoid of divine purpose. God's revelation is relevant to the whole of human life--to economics, politics, and every sphere of human activity.

If God would speak to the nations through Israel,

then Israel must undergo the experience of being a nation in order that she might appreciate the wealth of nationhood and attack the  idolatrous power of nationalism." (Bernard Anderson, p. 163)
FOR THE SCHOLARS AT ACU WHO MISSED ACTS 7
Acts 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel,
        A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren,
        like unto me; him shall ye hear.
Acts 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness
        with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina,
        and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
Acts 7:39 To whom our fathers would not obey,
        but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt,
Acts 7:40 Saying unto Aaron,
        Make us gods to go before us [back to Egypt]:
        for as for this Moses, which brought us out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.
Acts 7:41 And they made a calf in those days,
        and offered sacrifice unto the idol,
        and rejoiced in the works of their own hands.

"The triumphal hymn of Moses had unquestionably a religious character about it; but the employment of music in religious services, though idolatrous, is more distinctly marked in the festivities which attended the erection of the golden calf." (Smith's Bible Dictionary, Music, p. 589).

This "rising up to play" involved eating, drinking, nakedness and musical worship. The goddess, Hathor, is the best candidate for the Mother Goddess of the Mount Sinai idolatry. Here priestessess or prophetesses were highly trained with musical instruments, cultic songs and be able to join in the religious dance.

"Music and drugs were co-consiprators in religious ecstasy. They may have used some product of the sycamore fig which both intoxicated and induced an altered state of consciousness. The ergo of barley was well known.
"Women and girls from the different ranks of society were proud to enter the service of the gods as singers and musicians. The understanding of this service was universal: these singers constituted the 'harem of the gods'." (End of Quasten Click to see Music and the Feminine connection)

What you can never learn while you are a clapping and a sanging!

Acts 7:42 Then God turned,
        and gave them up [g3860 cast out, put in prison]
        to worship the host of heaven;
David's Praise word connects to Lucifer and means to make self vile. Many of the Psalms are boast songs intended to threaten the enemy with rape, robber and death if they did not turn coward and run.  Is there a message for us? Because they had been turned back to theri old Egyptian worship where the Levites were a priesthood of the CH or child burning cult, it is logical that we understand:
Apis the golden calf or calves represented Osiris, Isis and Horus: the pagan trinity of father, mother and son.
Horus was the posthumous son and heir of the god Osiris, the primordial king and giver of life. He was invited by his uncle, Seth, to spend a day. Seth’s real motive was not to show him hospitality but to disqualify him from inheriting his father’s royal power. To this end, while Horus slept Seth committed an act of sodomy upon him. Since sodomy was inflicted as a punishment on a defeated enemy and was a symbol of domination, Seth could then claim that he had conquered Horus and demand the kingship in his place.
The oldest Dionysus was the fire-god Moloch.
Where God's bacchic Fire leaps.—Euripides, Ion, 1125.

ION chanting

[82] Now flames this radiant chariot of the sun
High o'er the earth, at whose ethereal fire
The
stars into the sacred night retreat:

Helios in his chariot, relief sculpture, excavated at Troy, 1872; in the State Museums of Berlin

Egyptian Sun Chariot

AND A TRUE REFORM WILL DESTROY THESE PLACES OF IDOLATRY

2 Kings 23:4 And the king commanded Hilkiah the high priest, and the priests of the second order, and the keepers of the door, to bring forth out of the temple of the Lord all the vessels that were made for Baal, and for the grove, and for all the HOSTS OF HEAVEN: and he burned them without Jerusalem in the fields of Kidron, and carried the ashes of them unto Beth-el.

H3627 vessel or weapon, instrument, psaltery

2 Kings 23:7 And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the Lord, where the women wove hangings for the grove.

H6945 qadesh kaw-dashe' From H6942 ; a (quasi) sacred person, that is, (technically) a (male) devotee (by prostitution) to licentious idolatry: sodomite, unclean.

2 Kings 23:10 And he defiled Topheth, which is in the valley of the children of Hinnom, that no man might make his son or his daughter to pass through the fire to ch.

2 Kings 23:11 And he took away the horses that the kings of Judah had given to the sun, at the entering in of the house of the Lord, by the chamber of Nathan-melech the chamberlain, which was in the suburbs, and burned the chariots of the sun with fire.

H8612 tôpheth to'-feth The same as H8611 ; Topheth, a place near Jerusalem:Tophet, Topheth.
 H8608 tophaph taw-faf' A primitive root; to drum, that is, play (as) on the tambourine: taber, play with timbrels.
 H8610 taphas taw-fas' A primitive root; to manipulate, that is, seize; chiefly to capture, wield; specifically to overlay; figuratively to use unwarrantably: catch, handle, (lay, take) hold (on, over), stop, X surely, surprise, take.
 
Gen 4:21 And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.

2 Kings 23:13 And the high places that were before Jerusalem, which were on the right hand of the mount of corruption,

which Solomon the king of Israel had builded for Ashtoreth the abomination of the Zidonians, and for Chemosh the abomination of the Moabites, and for Milcom the abomination of the children of Ammon, did the king defile.

H6945 qadesh kaw-dashe' From H6942 ; a (quasi) sacred person, that is, (technically) a (male) devotee (by prostitution) to licentious idolatry: sodomite, unclean.

Grove is:

H842 Asherah ash-ay-raw', ash-ay-raw' From H833 ; happy; asherah (or Astarte) a Phoenician goddess; also an image of the same:--grove. Compare H6253 .

H6253 Ashtoreth ash-to'-reth Probably for H6251 ; Ashtoreth, the Phoenician goddess of love (and increase):--Ashtoreth.

PHALLIC WORSHIP, -- "Throughout all animal life there is no physical impulse so overbearing as the generative, unless we except that for food. Food gives satisfaction. Rest to tired nature gives pleasure. But the power of reproduction is the acme of physical bliss, How natural, then, that this last-named impulse should, early in human development, give direction and consequence to religious fancies." 'This the reproductive power did in India, Egypt, among the Buddhists, Babylonians, Phoenicians, Assyrians, and ancient Hebrews. As they personified the sun and planets, air, water, fire, etc., so they personified the sexual power; and the worship, not of the actual organs, but of the fertilizing principle, became a recognized custom, so much so that the ancients used to swear by their generative organs, as Christians do now by their Bible, as being the most sacred thing on earth, and representing the divine energy in a state of procreative activity. Thus we find in Psalm lxxxix. 49 (literally): "O my Adonis, where are thy endearments of old, which thou swearedst for the sake of love, by the phallus, O Ammon?" This had reference to the violent death of Adonis, who, at the autumnal equinox, was attacked by a wild boar, which tore away the membrum virile, and rendered him impotent, until he was born again, when he acquired fresh powers, and grew in beauty and stature, ready to reunite with Venus at the vernal equinox.

This is what David wore at his naked dance

As we have before seen, the two sexual powers of nature were symbolized respectively by an upright and an oval (and sometimes a crescent or circle) emblem -- T and O; the Phallus, Ashera, Priapus of the Jews (the Hebrew letter for which was a cross), or Linga (of the Hindus); and the Hindu Yoni or Unit, the Vulvz or Pudendumfeminy, sometimes represented as the mountain of Venus (mons veneris). The former was a representation of the sun-god in his majesty and glory, the restorer of the powers of nature after the long sleep or death of winter; and the latter, a representation of the earth, who yields her fruit under the fertilizing power and warmth of the sun, and when placed upon the Tau, T, or Phallus, formed the "Crux Ansata," or conjunction of the sun and earth, male and female. The Phallus placed erect as a tree, cross, or pole, above a crescent or on a mons veneris, set forth "the marriage of heaven and earth;" and, in the form of a serpent, represented "life and healing," and was so worshipped by the Egyptians and Jews. The two emblems of the cross and serpent (the quiescent and energizing Phallus) are united in the brazen serpent of "the Pentateuch" The conjunction of the two sexual emblems was represented in the Temple by the circular altar of Baal-Peor, on which stood the "Ashera," and for which the Jewish women wove hangings; and under whose protective influence Jacob, on his journey to Laban, slept. It is innocently reproduced in our modern " May-pole," around which maidens dance, as maidens did of yore. The Catholic priest little dreams that he wears a Phallic vestment at Mass, for upon his vestment is the Crux Ansala (ansalus = handle), his head passing through the oval or yoni; the Tau, or cross, falling from the chest in front. The surplice, a figment of woman's dress, was used as a Phallic or Yonijic vestment.

The word Ashera (erroneously rendered, as we have seen, in the translation of the Authorized Version, and so admitted in the Revised Version), literally rendered, is pole, or stem of tree, Phallus, The Jewish women made silver and golden Phalli (Ezekiel xvi. 17). 'The "tree of the knowledge of good and evil," in Genesis, is the "tree of life," or "Phallic pole," denoting the knowledge which dawns on the mind with the first consciousness of the difference in the sexes. The symbol of life, in cuneiform writing, was the conjoined emblem -- the "Crux Ansata." Many of the Egyptian gods are represented with this cross hanging from the hand, which is passed through the oval. This is wrongly called a hey by Mr. Sharpe in his " Egyptian Mythology" (p. 54). It was customary to set up a stone, or "Hermes" (Hermes, or Mercury, was an ancient heathen deity, the symbol of Phallus), on the road-side, and each traveller as he passed paid his homage to the deity by either throwing a stone on the heap, or by anointing the upright stone with oil. Jacob "rose up early in the morning, and took the stone that he had for a pillow, and set it up for a pillar, and poured oil upon the top of it." And there is scarcely a nation of antiquity which did not set up these stones, as emblems of the reproductive power of nature, and worship them. The custom is found among the ancient Druids of Britain. The Greek historian, Pausanias, says: "The Hermiac statue, which they Venerate in Cyllene above other symbols, is an erect Phallus on a pedestal."

In connection with Phallic worship arose the idea of offering the virginity of maidens to certain gods or goddesses. The Babylonian women were compelled to offer themselves once in their lifetime to the goddess Astarte, or Mylitta (the Assyrian for Venus). Sitting in the Temple, they waited till some passer-by of the opposite sex threw money into their laps, when they prostituted themselves "for the sake of Mylitta." No man was ever refused. Many women, not so inviting in appearance as others, would thus remain waiting for years their turn. A similar state of things, only worse, was reproduced among the Yezuans, or primitive Christians, at their "Agapai," or Love Feasts; the immoralities of which are supposed to have been the real cause of the so-called persecutions by the Roman emperors, under whom great freedom of religious opinion was permitted and enjoyed. The unnatural actions practised at these assemblies are mentioned by Eusebius (book vii., chap. xi.).
 THE NOT COMMANDED BURNT OFFERING WAS A HOLOCAUST

WHAT THEY WANT TO IMPOSE ON YOU!

"Moloch was represented under the figure of a man with the head of a calf erected upon an immense oven, which [see Note 1 below] [page 54] was lighted to consume at once the seven kinds of offerings. During this holocaust, the priests of Moloch kept up a terrible music, with sistrums and tambours, in order to stifle the cries of the victims. Then took place that infamy cursed by the God of Israel: the Molochites abandoned themselves to practices worthy of the land of Onan (masturbation] and, inspired by the rhythmic sound of the musical instruments, writhed about the incandescent statue, which appeared red thru the smoke; and they gave forth frenzied cries as, in accordance with the Biblical expression, they gave their seed to Moloch." ("History of Prostitution," by Paul LaCroix, French author and historian; 1806-84) Note 1: At the time referred to by Flaubert, Carthage was under siege from unpaid Barbarians enlisted by Carthage in its war with Rome, as mercenaries, and they were out of funds, water. etc. at the time.

"First, Moloch, horrid King, besmeared with blood
Of human sacrifice, and parents' tears;
Though, for the noise of drums and timbrels loud
,
Their children's cries unheard that passed through fire
To his grim idol. Him the Ammonite
Worshiped in Rabba and her watery plain,
In Argob and in Basan, to the stream
Of utmost Arnon. 

Nor content with such
Audacious neighbourhood, the wisest heart
Of Solomon he led by fraud to build
His temple right against the temple of God
On that opprobrious hill, and made his grove

The pleasant valley of Hinnom, Tophet thence
And black Gehenna called, the type of Hell."
- Paradise Lost, i. 391-405

King Solomon was a great purveyor of the existence of Moloch. He even erected a temple for worship on a hill overlooking Jerusalem. A typical worship session, at any one of hundreds of sites throughout the middle east, would include copious amounts of food and drink. There would be singing and dancing.All the while the hordes would be dancing around the statue singing, playing flutes and tambourines to drown out the screams of the dying child.   (“History of Prostitution,” by Paul LaCroix, French author and historian; 1806-84) Discussion Forum
WHAT CAUSED THE PLAGUES WHICH MADE EVEN ANIMAL SLAUGHTER IMPOSSIBLE.

In 2 Chronicles 28: Tilgath-pilneser king of Assyria distressed Ahaz in Jerusalem.

For he walked in the ways of the kings of Israel, and made also molten images for Baalim. 2 Chron 28:2

Moreover he burnt incense in the valley of the son of Hinnom, and burnt his children in the fire, after the abominations of the heathen whom the Lord had cast out before the children of Israel. 2 Chron 28:3

[Topheth from tabret or tambourine had been "the king's music grove" where idols were worshiped in Solomon's day. It came to stand for hell itself.]


He sacrificed also and burnt incense in the high places, and on the hills, and under every green tree. 2 Chron 28:4

Wherefore the Lord his God delivered him into the hand of the king of Syria; and they smote him, and carried away a great multitude of them captives, and brought them to Damascus. And he was also delivered into the hand of the king of Israel, who smote him with a great slaughter. 2 Chron 28:5

For Pekah the son of Remaliah slew in Judah an hundred and twenty thousand in one day, which were all valiant men; because they had forsaken the Lord God of their fathers. 2 Chron 28: 6

THE MUSICAL LEVITES COULD NOT ENTER THE HOLY PLACE AS A TYPE OF THE CHURCH OF CHRIST WITHOUT BEING EXECUTED.

Notice that in none of the animal sacrifices was the people's congregation involved: they must always be outside of the gates.  On the Sabbath they would be attending church which began in the wilderness.
2Chr. 29:20 Then Hezekiah the king rose early,
        and gathered the rulers of the city, and went up to the house of the LORD.
2Chr. 29:21 And they brought 
        seven bullocks,
        and seven rams,
        and seven lambs,
        and seven he goats,
for a SIN OFFERING for the kingdom, and for the sanctuary, and for Judah.
And he commanded the priests the sons of Aaron to offer them on the altar of the LORD.

2Chr. 29:22 So they killed the bullocks,
            and the priests received the blood, and sprinkled it on the altar:
    likewise, when they had killed the rams,
            they sprinkled the blood upon the altar:
    they killed also the lambs,
        and they sprinkled the blood upon the altar.
RICK ATCHLEY USES THIS IS THE KEY COMMAND TO HIM TO RESTORE A UNITY WHICH NEVER EXISTED.

A civil war which resulted from the slavery building the temple God had not commanded as a house, meant that the nation of Israel would not "fellowship" the tiny nation of Judah consisting mostly of Jerusalem.

The goats came into play after the Nadab and Abihu folly of entering the holy places as Rick is attempting. Afterward, they used the scapegoat as a sacrifice to the DEVIL or Azazel who had led the righteous people away from the Living Word.

THEREFORE THE SIN OFFERING OF THE GOATS WAS FOR THE "SECTARIAN" ISRAELITES.
Amos and Isaiah and others make it clear that before Judah, Israel had turned to robbing the poor (tithes and offerings) so that the Cows of Bashan could enjoy the wine, women and instrumental music.  The effect was that the people of Israel hungered and thirsted for the WORD but could not find it. In the end the feminine and effeminated led them to destruction.  Their songs turned to howling which identifies the "singing" style of a cappella and of the dogs or Catamites Paul warned not to let into the church.  The "baskets of summer fruits" points to the same lusted after "fruits" in Revelation 18 serving the Babylon Mother of Harlots (Old Jerusalem) with slick speakers, singers and instrument players.  John called them sorcerers and said that the lake of fire had been prepared for these Dogs and Sorcerers and Liars.


See the Nadab and Abihu event

To offer incense Nadab and Abihu had to go into the Holy Place: the incense altar was approaching the presence of God in the Most Holy place. As we noted, no Levite could come near or into any holy place.

Matthew Henry notes that: "Some think that goats were chosen for the sin-offering because, by the disagreeableness of their smell, the offensiveness of sin is represented: others think, because it was said that the demons which the heathens then worshipped often appeared to their worshippers in the form of goats, God therefore obliged his people to sacrifice goats, that they might never be tempted to sacrifice TO goats. (cappella in Greek: a goat and a starry constellation)

Because God had abandoned Israel to worship the starry host because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai, Christ ordained the Qahal, Synagogue or Church of Christ in the wilderness. This synagogue never changed throughout the Bible and recorded history. Church was A School of the word: it quarantined the godly people from the Levi tribe outlawed by Father Jacob.

When Nadab and Abihu offered incense they went into the closed spaces which imposed the death sentence. No Levite instrumentalists could go into or near a holy place or thing.

The day of atonement was imposed and the worship of the Devil spelled out by naming Azazel.

Matthew Henry notes:

I. The date of this law concerning the day of atonement: it was after the death of the two sons of Aaron (v. 1), which we read, ch. 10:1.

1. Lest Aaron should fear that any remaining guilt of that sin should cleave to his family, or (seeing the priests were so apt to offend) that some after-sin of his other sons should be the ruin of his family, he is directed how to make atonement for his house, that it might keep in with God; for the atonement for it would be the establishment of it, and preserve the entail of the blessing upon it.

2. The priests being warned by the death of Nadab and Abihu to approach to God with reverence and godly fear (without which they came at their peril), directions are here given how the nearest approach might be made, not only without peril, but to unspeakable advantage and comfort, if the directions were observed. When they were cut off for an undue approach, the rest must not say, "Then we will not draw near at all,'' but, "Then we will do it by rule.'' They died for their sin, therefore God graciously provides for the rest, that they die not.

Thus God's judgments on some should be instructions to others.

Paul warned about SHAKING which speaks of loud instruments:

Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: Hebrews 12:28

For our God is a consuming fire. Heb 12:29

Because God had turned the Levi tribe over to worship the starry host, Plutarch and others agree that the "gods" they worshipped were the Starry Host.  One of thos starry host was the scapegoat or Azazel imposed after the Nadab and Abihu fall.

The scapegoat is Azazel. He is specifically the fallen angel who taught the youth how to steal the worship due to God. The Israelites brought the old Babylon Harlot worship with them from Egypt. Therefore, the sons of Aaron substituted STRANGE or foreign offering of Incense. God HAD NOT SAID: "Thou shalt not" so they used the LAW OF SILENCE just as modern people--playing with fire--are restoring the same Babylonian rituals because they assume the right to innovate and improvise.

Book of Enoch 8:1 And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all

8: 2 colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they

8: 3 were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjaza taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, 'Armaros the resolving of enchantments, Baraqijal (taught) astrology, Kokabel the constellations, Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven . .

In John's view from Patmos he could see the island on which CIRCE or KIRKE or "church" was burried. Circe used root cuttings and administered them along with her enchanting songs with instruments. This is defined as Sorcery or "phramacy." Here drug is believed to be a form of our Mayapple root and its fruit. Her legend about trapping men and turning them into "beasts" is quite parallel to John's definition of the Holy Whore whose musicians and instruments will again be destroyed along with her (Rev. 18)

This is repeated in the Babylonian Tablets where Inanna (the holy prostitute) steals the perverted "worship" knowledge from Ea the father or grandfather god:

"In the name of my power! In the name of my holy shrine!

To my daughter Inanna I shall give Truth!
        Descent into the underworld!
        Ascent from the underworld!
        The art of lovemaking!
        The art of kissing the phallus!"
        He gave me the holy shrine.
        He gave me the holy priestess of heaven.
        He gave me the resounding musical instrument.
        He gave me the art of song.
        He gave me the art of the elder.
        He gave me the kurgurra.
The kurgarru, the assinu, and the kulu'u performed plays, music, dances, and games (rising up to play) during rituals. These were musical worship teams in addition to the eldership stolen from the "god.

Then as now, this was a political manipulation to save Hezekiah's skin: Burnt offeringss of infants brought on the plague in 2 Chronicles 28 and infant burning resumed as soon as Hezekiah died. See 2 Chronicles 33
2Chr. 29:23 And they brought forth the he goats
        for the sin offering before the king and the congregation;
        and they laid their hands upon them:
2Chr. 29:24 And the priests killed them,
        and they made reconciliation with their blood upon the altar,
        to make an
atonement for all Israel:
        for the king commanded that the BURNT offering and the sin offering
                should be made for all Israel.

Albert Barnes:
All Israel—Hezekiah aimed at reuniting once more the whole people of Israel, if not into a single state, yet, at any rate, into a single religious communion. The northern kingdom was in a condition approaching to anarchy. The end was evidently approaching. Hoshea, the king contemporary with Hezekiah 2 Kings 18:1 , ruled, not as an independent monarch, but as an Assyrian feudatory 2 Kings 17:3 . Under these circumstances Hezekiah designed to invite the revolted tribes to return, if not to their old temporal, at least to their old spiritual, allegiance 2 Chr. 30:5-10 . In order, therefore, to prepare the way for this return, he included "all Israel" in the expiatory sacrifice, by which he prefaced his restoration of the old worship.

Amos associates instrumental music with the fall of Israel because the clergy starved the people to death with their wine, women and songs worship and taking up unlawful tithes and offerings.
SCRIPTURE ALWAYS SEPARATES THE PROPHET FROM THE PRIESTLY CULT A.
A.  Preparation of the Military for the holocaust

2Chr. 29:25 And he set the Levites in the house of the LORD [court]
        with cymbals, with psalteries, and with harps,
                according to the commandment of David,
                and of Gad the king’s seer,
When Hezekiah SET the levites in the house or court the word is con-stĭtŭo , or brought in the persons "to station or post troops somewhere, to draw up, set in order.  They work for the KING and not the priests.  In the house was in the inner court where innocent animals were slaughtered.
B.  Preparation of the priests for the holocaust

      
  and Nathan the prophet:
       
for so was the commandment of the LORD by his prophets.

A.  2Chr. 29:26 And the Levites stood with the instruments of David,
       
B.  and the priests with the trumpets.  [Commanded by  Moses A prophet]
Steteruntque stand as opposed to sitting, to stand firm, stuck fast. Of military to stand in the ranks or under arms
Senentes To hold, keep, have in the hand,
2Chr. 29:27 And Hezekiah commanded
        to offer the burnt offering upon the altar.
                And when the burnt offering began,
               
B.  the song of the LORD began also with the trumpets,
               
A.  and with the instruments ORDAINED by David king of Israel.
Could that be any clearer?  The instruments were COMMANDED by David as king.  You just have to read carefully and not stop the moment you see the instrument word.

GOD GAVE THEM KINGS IN HIS ANGER WHEN THE ELDERS FIRED GOD. They would carry out the captivity and death sentence imposed to carry the nation BEYOND BABYLON. Therefore, no oriental monarch having a carnal army NEEDS a command to use loud instruments to PANIC the enemy.

The kings had been turned over to worship the starry host.  Therefore, the instruments are used only during the BURNT OFFERING which the Prophet Jeremiah has God saying I DID NOT COMMAND THIS.  

2Chr. 29:28 And all the congregation worshipped,
        and the singers sang,
        and the trumpeters sounded:
        and all this continued until the burnt offering was finished.

THIS WAS PURELY HEZEKIAH'S COMMAND BECAUSE THE BIBLE TELLS ME SO

Jer. 7:21 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel;
        Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh.
Jer. 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them
        in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt,
        concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

IF GOD HAD COMMANDED IT HE WOULD HAVE COMMANDED THE SORCERY HE REJECTED.
Sang is Canto III. In the lang. of religion, as v. n. or a., to use enchantments, charms, incantations, to enchant, to charm, Verg. E. 8, 71 Exorcise by magic. Ignis  strike up the fires Incentor, o-ris, m. [id.] , one who sets the tune or begins to sing, a precentor, singer (post-class.).

I. Lit.: carminis, Paul. Nol. Carm. 15, 32 : [1] incentore [2] canam [3] Phoebo [4] Musisque [5] magistris, Avien. Perieg. 895 ; Isid. 6, 9, 13.--

II. Trop., an [A] inciter, exciter: [B] igneus [C] turbarum, Amm. 15, 1, 2 : civilis belli, Oros. 5, 19 : rebellionis [renewal of war] totius, id. 6, 11 . Flamen Hislop

The MARK of the BEAST (theiron) includes "a new style of song or drama." This is intended to incite a civil war now called the "worship wars" where people gleefully count their losses when they intentionally sow discord among brothers.

Incensor I. one who kindles or sets fire to, II. Trop., an inciter, instigator: turbarum,

THE TIMELESS KABIRI The Kabiri or the Kabirim [the name is Phoenician] were Deities and very mysterious gods with the ancient nations, including the Israelites, and were held in the highest veneration at Thebes, in Lemnos, Phrygia, Macedonia, and especially at Samothrace. They were mystery gods, no profane having the right to name or speak of them. Herodotus makes of them Fire-gods and points to Vulcan as their father. The Kabiri presided over the Mysteries, and their real number has never been revealed, their occult meaning being very sacred.

The Kabiri were also Assyrian gods. In Hebrew the name means "the mighty ones," Gibborim. In Samothrace, an island famous and renowned for its Mysteries all over the world -- perhaps the oldest ever established in our present race -- they were the Samothraces. .. Those who know anything of the Samothracian mysteries will remember that the generic name of the Kabiri was the "Holy Fires," which created on seven localities of the island of Electria (or Samothrace) the "Kabir born of the Holy Lemnos" (the island sacred to Vulcan). According to Pindar, this Kabir, whose name was Adamas,

As Bosuage shows, the Egyptians themselves confessed that science flourished in their country only since Isis-Osiris, whom they continue to adore as gods, "though they had become Princes in human form." And he adds of Osiris-Isis (the divine androgyne): "It is said that this Prince (Isis-Osiris) built cities in Egypt, stopped the overflowing of the Nile; invented agriculture, the use of the vine, music, astronomy, and geometry.
"

The Ghebers of Hebron 2 Hoaea, xii. 4 derives the name Inracl from Sarah to contend, to fight, and El = God of Fire. — Gen. xxxii. '28. Asarians, Asriel, Israel, a name of the War god {Exodus, xiii. 21, 22, xiv. 25), Saturn and the Sun. The Fire-god Azar was the God of war, and M'irs was the Sun. — Macrob. I. xvii. OS

But these fire-worshippers carried with them the arks of Moloch and Khiun (Life-god), their Adon, and they had, like the other peoples of the Delta, their Mysteries, which the priests instituted. They took with them from Phoenicia, probably, a certain knowledge of fixed vocal signs; and it would not be safe to deny to Syria the possession of some sort of (Syrian) hieroglyphs

Dionysus was worshipped among the Old Kanaanites and Arabians—" where the Bacchic fire of the God leaps forth." This Fire is that of Bal Melkarth or Moloch. The worship of this Tyrian Fire-god Herakles (Archal) was carried to Tarz
The golden calves representing Apis the real bull covered the Egyptian trinity of Osiris, Isia and Horus as the trinity of Father, Mother and little son.  All of these singing words speak of incantations.
Căno  I. Neutr., to utter melodious notes, to sing, sound, play.  2. Of the faulty delivery of an orator, to speak in a sing-song tone: inclinată ululantique voce more Asiatico canere,  once canituri,Vulg. Apoc. 8, 13 )

Rev 8:10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 

Rev. 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

G2985 lampas lam-pas' From G2989 ; a “lamp” or flambeau:--lamp, light, torch
G2989 lampō lam'-po A primary verb; to beam, that is, radiate brilliancy (literally or figuratively):—give light, shine.

Lampas lights used in Bacchic ceremonies Id.Ra.340 , or in festal processions, phainete, faggot, luchnis, helios identified with Apollo, Abaddon or Apollyon of the book of Revelation.

4. meteor, Arist.Mu.395b11, D.S.16.66,

Eos is used of the Musae who were the musical arbitrator. They are life or phôs, Êôs the goddess of dawn, Latin aurora.

2. day, katêïen es dusin ê. Musae; mesatê ê (arbitrator).

lucĭfer, fe(ra, fe(rum, adj. [lux-fero] , light-bringing: itaque ut apud Graecos Dianam, eamque Luciferam, sic apud nostros Junonem (Juno)
A. The morning-star, the planet Venus: stella Lucifer
B. The fabled son of Aurora [Eos] and Cephalus

Hêlios II. as pr. n., Helios, the sun-god, Od.8.271, identified with Apollo,
2. Hêliou astêr, of the planet Saturn,
[Lucifer, Zoe, daughters of Eve]
In the modern sense where this is used to prove that God commanded instrumental praise for the church (when He outlawed it) has the same meaning by CONSUMING the living of widows.  They impose forms of music until they have driven out the owners in the hope of UNITING with those already ABANDONED as was Israel to musical idolatry.
Matt. 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses,
        and for a pretence make long prayer:
        therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

Jer. 7:21 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel;
        Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh.
Jer. 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them
        in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt,
        concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

But this thing commanded I them, saying,

> Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people:
> and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you. Jer 7:23

But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward. Jer 7:24

Since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Egypt unto this day, I have even sent unto you all my servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending them: Jer 7:25

Yet they hearkened not unto me, nor inclined their ear, but hardened their neck: they did worse than their fathers. Jer 7:26

Is. 1:10 Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.
          Rev. 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city,
          which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Is. 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD:
         I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts;
         and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
Is. 1:12 When ye come to appear before me,
         who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
Is. 1:13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
Is. 1:14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

Is. 1:15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you:
        yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.
Is. 1:16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
Is. 1:17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless,
        plead for the widow.
Is. 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD:
        though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow;
        though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Is. 1:19 If ye be willing and obedient,
        ye shall eat the good of the land:
Is. 1:20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword:
        for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
Is. 1:21 How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment;
        righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.

Jer. 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying,
        Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people:
        and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
Jer. 7:24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear,
        but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart,
        and went backward, and not forward.

See Dwight Roberts at Skillman Church of Christ discussing instrumental music and women's roles.

You may read the latest pleadings in favor of adding instruments as "machines for doing hard work mostly for making war and to create the discord or shock and awe required by demagogues to fill the coffers: the act is always identified by the Bible and ancient literature as witchcraft or sorcerry.

Click for the latest PLEADINGS looking for some justification and discuss.
Lynn Anderson  Psallo justifies Instrumental Music and sowing of Discord.   This is just a small number of false teachings cused at Oak Hills Church (Ex Church of Christ). The plan was for quiet strings in an extra room: this has sowed massive discord and now arrived it its planned destination of a full Rock and Roll performance. The ex-congregation just stands in shock and awe.  Rick Atchley promised not to "have instrumental music on Sunday until Jesus returned" but being post modern that meant what he REALLY thought inside.
I have added some brief notes on the Agora or Market Place religion. You remember that John refused to baptize that "generation of vipers" and promised them the baptism of spirit and of fire: Isaiah defines that as the Spirit OF fire and the Spirit OF burning. True: the Levitical Warrior musicians were all CONSUMED in the type of HELL named after a musical instrument and the Jews are still looking for the tens of thousands of harps.

Peter spoke of salvation FROM that crooked generation and we know that they were the wine, women and music meetings  NEAR WINE and flute-girl meant PROSTITUTE and harp pluckers were always drunk or perverted.

Jesus defined that generation as the AGORA CROWD which was the market-place. Now, there is no reason to expect that people who will lie about every musical concept in the Bible and church history to be ALLOWED to understand that: God sends STRONG DELUSIONS and we know that ALL musical terms and names of instruments defined ENCHANTMENT meaning often in religion "Charming you out of your pants to pick your  pocket." John identifies the singers and musicians as AGENTS of the Mother of Harlots (Rev 17) and defined their task as SORCERERS who HAD deceived the whole world.  The CANDLES will never burn again because the WORD as the "seven spirits of God" have been removed.

We know LOTS about the Agora: in fact the word PSALLO has the second application of the RED PAINTED POLLUTED ROPE the officials used to DRIVE the people out of the AGORA which defines the NEW STYLE WORSHIP and into the EKKLESIA where speakers were for INSTRUCTION ONLY.

I have posted some beginning notes on the ARORA on the Richland Hills Free Speech Forum
I will post this on an Agora page onto which I will add what we MISSED in PhDuh and therefore may have been DESTINED to be deluded because of a public declaration of being postmodern which means repudiating the Bible which is evident in most sermons.  The AGORA is the way God in Christ provided a WAY OF ESCAPE and a MARK of false teachers knowing that they would never LOOK where He pointed.

Apollo or Abaddon or Apollyon was the LORD OF THE AGORA and the "father of the twanging bow to send out singing arrowss, father of musical harmony, father of thieves and LIARS.

The WORSHIP is defined by the MUSES (dirty adultereress) as his musical worship team which John defines as OPERATIVES of the mother of harlots and as sorcerers.

The word PSALLO is the word "which people PERVERT to their own destruction" and defines the MARKING ROPE if you tarried around the AGORA and refused to go to the EKKLESIA for instructions only.


THE DEACONESS

Having achieved his goal of firing the vocational deacons, the elders are now the shepherds. They have a GOVERNING COUNCIL which undoubtedly has rubber stamped Ricks move into INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE and Sabazianiam.  I am sure that no one wants to rock the boat.  Part of the Purpose Driven Cult as put into practice is to manipulate things so that it is too dangerous to resist.

Rick ditto heads the books published by the Christian Church and we have revied most of them.  Writing with a Christian Church writer I am sure that his HIDING for more than a decade forced him to come out. It is illogical, therefore, that he has been USED and therefore 100% of his proofs are taken out of the context which would repudiate music.  He can make a loud, raw assertion and the cult mentality will prevent much opposition.  However, he deliberately distorts every musical passage and writer.

We will examine a few of his FALSE TEACHINGS to deliberately sow discord--for some agenda no one knows--

Rick Atchley Defending Instrumental Music. This is a psychological effort to silence all oposition on the basis that he and the elders have prayed, fasted and been guided into the conclusion that God DEMANDS Instrumental Praise. I have taken the false thesis often used of the Jerusalem council as authority for the "apostles and elders" too make CHANGES without opposition.  Of course, the Apostles just quoted the BIBLE to silence the CIRCUMCISION CROWD.  Now, Rick has become the CIRCUMCISION CROWD and demands to be the 'apostles and elders' who approves change.

A Ralph Johnson Review which pretty much covers the Tom Burgess and Alfred Knowles ditto head stuff.

Rick confesses to lying to himself for 10-12 years before he could OUT his views. According to Lynn Anderson it takes bout 11 years to CONDITION the "frogs" to be able to tolerate singing during the Lord's Supper.  However, I have recorded some Ricky views from 2002--4 years ago--where he claims his AGENDA to unite with the MUSICAL paganism: "
"The Unity Imperative," and he opened with the declaration,
"I want to see in my lifetime, our fellowship reunited,
and I intend to do all that I can to see that that happens" (p. 1).

Charles Spurgeon could not find a word low enough to define a "pastor" who would preach with a congregation whose views he did not support. Therefore, Rick has been at it for a decade and has publically told you what he INTENDED TO to.  You may read here for Ricks AGENDA and links to most of the "important" false teachers in the musical group.  There is no original information and it ALL speaks of males PLUCKING the harp to seduce a "youth minister" for pederasty.

As an EMPLOYER of the hireling you are NOT committed to question "god's annointeds" but you are FREE to dialog this by clicking here where I am posting further review which will be posted soon on the internet.

I can assure you that Rick CANNOT prove that he is NOT perverting these passages. Furthermore, many of the music passages he quotes prove that the PIPER claimed to be a musician but he had a hidden agenda which was not pretty.  There is NO example Rick or anyone can adduce to deny the Religion-Music-Sexuality connection.

Twenty Five Thesis by EX members NAILED TO DOOR of Richland Hills church of Christ.

For Analysis and Discussion.

See Rick Atchley - The usual mantra condemning non- instrumentalists for not bowing to what Luther said, in effect, the MARK OF BAAL. "Unity" forum with Christian Churches.

See other views from our look at the "creed" of Richland Hills Church of Christ in Fort Worth.

In addition, to understand the false elders false rationale for INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC in worship you may want to look at a review of a paper produced by and sent from Farmer's Branch Church of Christ. One has to doubt that any "once christian" college will permit anyone on its faculty who is NOT in sympathy with the instrumental Disciples Denomination. Therefore, you must grasp that none of ACU's product knows any of the Biblical or Historical evidence. No Levitical musician (creating hard bondage) and not even in the vilest pagan temples did the SINGERS or MUSICIANS ever get into the Holy Place as a type of the church of Christ.

Experimenting with Instrumental Music: The fatal flaw in the garden of Eden and in every FALL beyond redemption is EXPERIMENTING..

Farmer's Branch Church of Christ Part One:

Farmer's Branch Church of Christ Part Two

A look at the word NAGAN

10/08 Added: Isa 47 defines the end-time Babylon Whore religion of Rev 18 now appearing at your local "church."
Aristotle: Melody Deceives: "Poets also make use of this in inventing words, as a melody "without strings" or "without the lyre"; for they employ epithets from negations, a course which is approved in proportional metaphors..

The form of diction should be neither metrical nor without rhythm.

If it is metrical, it lacks persuasiveness, for it appears artificial, and at the same time it distracts the hearer's attention, since it sets him on the watch for the recurrence of such and such a cadence..

According to Philo, the gods of the pagans exploit this weakness of men. For the sake of a better effect, and with the intention of more easily cheating their devotes, that they have set their lies to melodies, rhythms and meters.." Click for more.

No one can doubt that Paul put the singing AND melody in the HEART and not upon a harp! If it breaks toward the MUSICAL side someone is trying to deceive someone as the "serpent" musically enchanted Eve while Adam went willingly.

I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea: Ro.16:1

"In" means near, about, among. shortly

And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen. Rom 16:20

The church means the assembly. Therefore, Phoebe worked with people primarily at Cenchrea although the church might be close by Cenchrea.

For instance, the seaport of Cenchrea which was a short from area still know as Corinth and she could serve there without "attending" there.

We know of no specific church in Cenchrea and Corinth was so evil that Paul was happy that he had not baptized many of them. There were no deacons or elders and no one with enough spirituality to solve even the basic human relationship problems.

Because her job as 'patroness' would center around the seaport, Phoebe's service would have been there.

If she was really an "official" female deacon in Cenchrea then she served withot a preacher, without elders, without male deacons and as far as we can determine without a church. If she served in a group in Corinth then there was hopeless division.

By analogy, a woman might serve the church AT Dallas airport without being an official of Dallas church of Christ. If she served transient believers then she was not a church official.

Therefore, the elders are pushing the "office of deaconess" based on an area where there were no church officials known to history.

BINDING THE STRONG MAN

Or else, how can one enter into a strong mans house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house. Matthew 12:29

He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. Matthew 12:30

Jesus said that speaking against the Spirit (Word John 6:63) was blasphemy. And, yet the postmodern or post biblical view is that the bible has been so fragmented and "put through the sifter of philosophy and , say, John's own persona; agenda" that all that we have left is the CORE GOPEL of seven facts ABOUT Jesus.

Therefore, there is an urge to dismantle the BODY LIFE of the members and replace it with a hired staff with "on call" special servants. DISMANTLING of the role of DEACON who along with the elder is the only authorized teacher-pastors of a congregation, dismantles the entire Biblical order. Look closely and you will see that the elders have become SHEPHERDS of three class of membership: the ministers (rule by qualifications), the leaders and the members. See Rubel Shelly etal's NEW VISION THROUGH NEW GLASSES.

While Eldred Echols is called to testify for the deaconess it is important to add some more of his comments:

"Many churches of Christ among the blacks in the northern United States profess to believe that the New Testament eldership was intended only for that century and was succeeded by evangelistic oversight in later times. Even though their rationale is very shaky, since in fact, it was the other way around (the elders succeeded the evangelist), it gives them credal basis for a system they are more comfortable with, viz. a single strong individual who takes ultimate responsibility for all major decisions."

Unknown to the preacher, the term Special Servant is an oxymoron. It is like saying Ruling Slave. Special in both English and Greek carry the idea of a person superior in rank to others of their class. In Greek the word means AUTHORITY. Because the special female servants lead fractions of the "pyramidal ministry system" of a Babylonian or "like the nations" kingdom, it need no further proof that women are set over males of the same class. Paul warned in Second Corinthians that Fools love to be fooled and Jesus fired "the doctors of the law."

According to members who have been offended and "discorded" the elders decided (see below) to change their Bible and remove the deacon and replace him with male and female Special Servants. Apparently "special" is less threatening than "deacon."

When challenged by godly members the elders apparently decided that they would have to "fall back" and justify the office of Deaconesses.

Most of their quoted authority comes from the same people who are troublers in Israel and therefore are known to support that which they launced.

However, one mention of one woman is declared to be the authority to do what the church for 2,000 years has never done. That is, to see the deaconess as a female variety of the office of deacon.

We have posted the most important information on this sowing of discord and history knows of no official deaconess. Rather, this is the english translation of the word they assigned to widows over 60 and perpetual virgins who were called deaconesses but were actually nuns.

None of these women ever assumed the authority the Richland Hills elders are imposing.

See the legalistic superstition of "praise singing rituals."
See modern hymns as idols.

See the rise of Hymn Singing Rituals as a product of mind control agents as influenced by Voodoo.

See the Legalism of the Tithe.

The fatal flaw of the elders of Israel was firing God and demanding that "a king be set over us." The result was a temple system and human kings to drive the Israelites into captivity and death. This sentence had been imposed at Mount Sinai because of their musical idolatry.

The modern heresy is to "set a pulpit minister over us." There is no Scriptural, historical or sensical reason for calling a a hired, surrogate head of the "family" unless the elders have already rejected Christ as the One and only teacher and know that they are no remotely competent as pastor teachers.

To that pyramid of power is added the musical worship teams to exercise sexual power condemned by Paul. This is the beginning and end time Babylon Harlot religion. The mega-churches are towers of Babylon or end time locusts eating up the work product of the people who are slaves of the watchtower.


Key points in the elders' study of "deacons"

RICK ATCHLEY RICHLAND HILLS: The word "deacon" is actually an Anglicized form of the Greek word diakonos. It's meaning is "servant," and that is how it is usually translated in the New Testament. It was a very common word used for anyone who provided some kind of service. In John 2, for example, the household servants at the wedding in Cana are called diakonoi.

That is a fact: all servants were servants but some servants had a different function. For instance the king's right hand man was a servant but the fellow who cleans out the latrines is not the same kind of servant.

Elders come in two classes: first, Paul calls elders "aged men" and believe me, a woman cannot be an aged man. These men were due honors if they were honorable.

Second, senior males would be more available to be vocational pastor-teachers or preachers of the local flock. They must be Spirit filled and able to teach. By the definition of Jesus being a "doctor of the law" would exclude one.

The potential for evil by ungodly senior males (a young man cannot be an aged man) appears at every turn away from God:

Then all the elders (zaqen or old men) of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah, 1 Sam 8:4

They 'fired God' as their ruler and demanded "set a king over us." Therefore, all old men are elders but only elders who refuse to "set a king over us" and "labor to the point of exhaustion in preaching and teaching" are to be recognized or pointed out as elders who rule over the church only to the extent that they "teach the word as it has been taught." When they are not competent teachers and hire a surrogate elder then they are not qualifed as Paul defined the work or office of the elder.

The same word, presbuteros, defines the Jewish elders (Matt 15:2) and,

And while he yet spake, lo, Judas, one of the twelve, came, and with him a great multitude with swords and staves, from the chief priests and elders of the people. Mt.26:47

Did you know that the Judas Bag was "for carrying the mouthpieces of wind instruments?" And the prophecy was that Judas would attempt to triumph over Jesus with "wind instruments and making a joyful noise before the Lord." Don't preachers believe that they are chief priests? Click to see the ugly spectacle of male worship teams trying (as always) to defeat Jesus.

And they came to the chief priests and elders, and said, We have bound ourselves under a great curse, that we will eat nothing until we have slain Paul. Ac.23:14

Did you know that a band of merry men pledged themselves to radically restructure the church to accept a broader role for women and instrumental music? The elders are right in the middle of every muddle and their claim of command authority is the MARK.

For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Acts 20:29

Paul understood that within the band of old men there would be some competent pastor-teachers but there would also be lots of sheep killers or scatterers because they wear a "sheepskin."

Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them Ac 20:30

Perverse has more than one meaning:

Diastrepho (g1294) dee-as-tref'-o; from 1223 and 4762; to distort, i.e. (fig.) misinterpret, or (mor.) corrupt: - perverse (- rt), turn away.

"We cannot change the Bible. We know that they are all against us but:

But we wanted to end our own use of this title."

Therefore, if all who are defined as servants proves that they should fill the "office" of Deacon in the assembly it also proves that the elders can (and assuredly will) elevate women to be preachers an elders.

However, based on the definition of the word, diakonos, as being "filled with the spirit" in Acts and "holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience" and based on history, the DEACONS were authorized to be the TEACHERS with the same authority as ELDERS. For Rick and crew to FIRE the Deacons and replace them with WAGED AND PROBABLY TENURED MINISTERS is to repudiate the meaning of "deacon" as a servant. Phoebe, for instance, served at her own expense and supplied the needs of the Apostles who were authorized teachers were she was not.

A "minister" who wants to take the Deaconess job must get off the payroll, get a job , work when others work and preach when they have time off. Paul did it and said, in effect, "This is the pattern which you must follow or YOUR must not eat."


RICK ATCHLEY RICHLAND HILLS: Jesus held up this lowly role as the model for Christian attitude and behavior: "Whoever wants to become great among you must be your diakonos." (Mt. 20:26) In Jn. 12:26 this term is used to describe anyone who is Jesus' follower.

No. pre, Post modern, Jesus came to SERVE and not to be SERVED. The Hebrew had the word "abad" for serve. He did not come as a "minister" or Sharah meaning "to attend as a menial or worshiper" but as a helper. He came to "wait up on menially as a host." Jesus was not just making a pattern but of himself,

And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death-- even death on a cross! Phil 2:8

Therefore, for an elder who is an elder only because he "labors to exhaustion in preaching and teaching" and who "teaches the Word as it has been taught" to turn into a wolf and claim command authority to assign authority without Biblical or historical authority violates that principle beyond redemption.

By secretly deciding to "end our use of" deacon and impose female authority to stand over or preside over sub-sections of the work and worship of the church, this Spirit of Jesus is not being modeled.

The claim by an increasing number of elders that "you must obey the elders even if they lead you into violating the Scriptures" is a sure sign that they are not pastor-teachers but hireling shepherds with an agenda to display personal power and personal pride in "temple building" and collecting as many lambs as possible for the meat market.

RICK ATCHLEY RICHLAND HILLS: Influenced perhaps by the way Jesus used the word diakonos,

Paul came to use it in a broad sense of people engaged in various kinds of Christian service.

Jesus as SON spoke only what He heard from the FATHER. In order to be a CHRISTIAN Paul did the same thing and insisted on the same thing in the "singing" or preaching passages. Paul didn't just reinvent the word because of Jesus. Rather, serveants were always diakonos and Paul was a deacon based on HIS WORK and not on his TITLE:

Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft. 2 Cor 11:23

The Post Modern view is that men like Paul, being disappointed that an EARTHLY KINGDOM did not arrive, "remembered" the fragmented memories of the disciples of Jesus. Then, using their own PERSONAL AGENDAS, they "came to use" words to fit. Rubel Shelly claims that John swiped the LOGOS idea from Greek Philosophy and fit it to his own personal agenda to write the gospel account bearing his name. Of course, Bible 101aaa knows that the Hebrew translation, Dabar, was used beginning in Genesis to define God as the ONE whose Spirit nature could be expressed in WORDS. So, Shelly, has giving everyone the right to "take the same liberties" Jesus used.

Rick, is just as Post Modern in claiming that Paul COINED a new definition of "deacon" to fit his own agenda.

In these cases he combined it with some other word or phrase to make clear the spiritual nature of the service: e.g. "servant of God," "servant of Christ," "servant of the gospel," "faithful servant in the Lord," etc.

This is just the simple way languages work. If you want to speak of "a servant of Christ" you use the same word as "a servant of the President." The word does not change but the task may change.

The rise of Narrative Theology and the Post Modern (post biblical) view in "christian" colleges makes the Bible student gag. However, my lawyer nephew just this morning claimed that I could be a tel-evangelist, tell them I am God and get 1/2 of one percent and get rich. In Paul's imagery, fools love to be fooled and the self-fooled "scholar" needs to hang his head in shame. Click to see how the locusts are eating up the flock and claiming that the Bible is not our authority.

It is a well attested fact that Paul defined all "aged men" as elders but those aged men, full of the Spirit who devoted themselves to preaching and teaching are to be given double honor. Paul THOUGHT that Jesus as The Spirit would guide him into all the truth just as He had the other apostles. Therefore, he did not have to invent the message and the WORDS would be in a "tongue" or minor dialect or Hebrew or Greek and the message would be the same while the words change.

And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth. Acts 22:14

For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard. 22:15

But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; Ac.26:16

Christ made Paul an UNDER MINISTER:

Huperetes (g5257) hoop-ay-ret'-ace; from 5229 and a der. of eåreåsso, (to row); an under- oarsman, i.e. (gen.) subordinate (assistant, sexton, constable): - minister, officer, servant

LET a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God. 1Co.4:1

On the other hand, the trained speakers who were trying to get on the DOLE had their pretensions cut out from under them because Paul as a true DEACON would not accept pay. This made it easy to sort out the false or HUPER apostles:

"These so-called apostles are not in Paul's view genuine apostles at all, but only spurious counterfeits of whom his church should beware. Paul is therefore extremely scornful of those 'false' (2 Cor. 11:13) or, as he ironically describes them, 'superior' apostles (12:11), who go beyond the boundaries of their commission and give themselves a position in local churches to which they have no right. Such men, he says, 'commend themselves' (10:12, 18), 'compare themselves with one another' (v. 12) and 'boast beyond the limits in other men's labours' (v. 15). In order that the churches 'may make much of them' (Gal. 4:17) they 'put on airs', 'take advantage' of others, 'prey' upon them and, in effect, 'make slaves' of those they are to serve." ( Banks, Robert, Paul's Idea of Community, Eerdmans, p. 174).

If you fire the vocational deacons and replace them with "professional" or huper-deacons, you prove Paul's point perfectly: you are false apostles.

I just couldn't prove that Paul ever heard Jesus use the Greek word in any gender. Therefore, speculating that Paul got his ideas by narrating the grammatical usage of Jesus is not good enough to justify sowing discord among brethren and offending these little ones.

Therefore, Paul clearly defined the work of the elder and deacon to include married males. He did so by inspiration and not because he remembered how Jesus and everyone used this common word which, like elder, would be given an uncommon meaning.

Under the guidance of Christ the Spirit the Apostles allowed the Grecians to select Grecian males to shepherd Grecian widows. Not even Spirit Guided apostles violated all of the principles of Spirit and good judgment and said: "Here is yall's pastors."


RICK ATCHLEY RICHLAND HILLS: In three Pauline passages the word diakonos appears without any additional phrases, but the spiritual nature of the service is made clear from the context. In each of these cases the service involved is associated with a local congregation.

This special usage indicates a technical sense that refers to an officially recognized function in these local churches.

For the non-impressed "Pauline" means relating to Paul. Everyone who serves the church is a servant. However, these words are not anglicized showing that for 2,000 years people held the Deacon and Elder to be more than casual ministers.

Furthermore, the elders may get upset that none of the translators for 2,000 agree with the latter day apostles and prophets but an elder "teaches the Word as it has been taught" and does not do legalistic "patternism" which violates all of the evidence.

The lady who prepares the communion is a servant of the church but she is not a female deacon. We will look at this later to prove that if the elders are correct this does not give them authority to select servants but pastor-teachers as the deacons were the ministers of the early church.


RICK ATCHLEY RICHLAND HILLS: 1. In Romans 16:1 Paul writes: aI commend to you our sister Phoebe, a diakonos of the church in Cenchrea." As noted above, Paul's wording would indicate that this woman had been appointed to some kind of special service for this church. There was no feminine form of the word in Greek, so the masculine form was used whether it referred to women or to men.

However, your version may read like this:

I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea: Rom 16:1

The "ministers" who SEE GODLINESS AS A MEANS OF FINANCIAL GAIN are out on a broken limb. The Nashville airport was once out in the country. A lady might serve at the airport serving as travellers aid to kept all of us young sailors from getting lost. But there was no organized "congregation" at the airport.

Corinth was a city but it had two harbors. To the West was Lechaeum on the Gulf of Corinth and to the East, Cenchrea on the Saronic Gulf. Corinth had a stone roadway between the two ports over which small ships were hauled to save a long and dangerous voyage. Along with a focus of North-South commerce, Corinth had a "lock" on money and evil.

History knows of no organized church at Cenchrea and historians believe that the Phoebe served primarily at Cenchrea because her "job title" included the role of transportation minister just as every harbor or airport or train station had servants to keep young sailors from getting stranded.

The Bible knows of no "elders, deacon and deaconesses" at Cenchrea and Corinth did not have appointed ministers over a corrupt church which never met with Paul's approval. Therefore, Matthew Henry sees the church of Corinth probably meeting at some outlying area such as Cenchrea. By analogy, the "church at the international airport" might minister for the "church in Nashville."

Clement of Rome wrote to Corinth about the common practice of the Apostles:

"And thus preaching through countries and cities, they appointed the first-fruits [of their labours], having first proved them by the Spirit, to be bishops and deacons of those who should afterwards believe.}

However, Corinth never had a spiritual leadership and Clement warned about how self-seekers dismissed the senior, spiritual leadership:

Furthermore, the "latched onto" ministers are in deep barnyard because both the meaning of diakonos as applied to the congregation gave them a teaching responsibility, they were selected by the church based on their teaching work, and no outsider could come in and fire them any more than they could fire the elders. Clement wrote:

"We are of opinion, therefore, that those appointed by them, or afterwards by other eminent men, with the consent of the whole Church, and who have blamelessly served the flock of Christ in a humble, peaceable, and disinterested spirit, and have for a long time possessed the good opinion of all, cannot be justly dismissed from the ministry.

Again, if there was an "organized congregation" at Cenchrea as opposed to people just serving in a location, history takes no note of it and to Paul is was a place to get his head shaved. If Phoebe was a "female deacon" history knows nothing of it and indeed stands opposed to the idea.

To use this to "sow discord" around the world is pretty shakey ground especially since History never sees deaconesses as "female deacons" in an approved fashion. Such usurpers, as was Simon who would pay hard cash to get a money making scheme would be told:

For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity. Acts 8:23

While Rick and the Elders might say "we are not gonna take it any more" the translators are agreed that the anglicized "deacon" does not remotely fit here.

Again, everyone knows that a servant is a servant is a servant. For instance a good minister, like the pattern of Jesus as Son speaking the words of the Father, is one who repeats what he has heard: a herald or evangelist does not on penalty of death open and alter the king's message:

If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things,

thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ,
nourished
up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained. 1Ti. 4:6

I like the translation "minister" because a good minister by definition feeds the flock with the words of faith and good doctrine. If he feeds the flock with "we are mad as hell and we ain't gonna take the word deacon anymore" or tidbits plucked from his peer band then he is not a good minister. In any case, Scripture does not authorize him a salary. So, once churches violate that clearly-stated Biblical command and the testimony of history they have allowed the elders to "set a king over us" and they will get their just punishment and share with the elders banishment.

Would that passage give self-authenticating elders the right to ordain everyone who reminds everyone of some Biblical fact a deacon or deaconess?

Since the work of the elders (with no authority for a class called "preacher") is to preach and teach only "that which has been taught" if an 18 year old girl reminds people about the Bible why can she be a deacon and not an elder?

Phoebe had another title which made her an official servant of the Greek government. Her "office" was to assist strangers through the nation or to find housing and work. For instance, in Didache even if one claimed to be an apostle or prophet came to preach and remained more than two or three days they were to get him a job or send him packing.

Phoebe was a "business woman" just like Lydia. And Paul begged the same consideration he begged from a travelling lawyer:

I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a servant of the church in Cenchrea. Rom 16:1

Phoebe had served the church in Cenchrea but she is never seen fulfilling the teaching role. The first sense in which servant is used of Phoebe is:

Diakonos (g1249) dee-ak'-on-os; prob. from an obs form (to run on errands; comp. 1377; an attendant, i.e. (gen.) a waiter (at table or in other menial duties)

She could even be a teacher but not in a public sense over the assembly or males.
specificially
a Christian teacher and pastor (techn. a deacon or deaconess): - deacon, minister, servant

[A pastor is a feeder with the Word: if he rejects the Word then he is not a pastor-teacher]

The first definition applies to Phoebe as someone who runs errands. However, she was never considered a "Deacon of the female persuasion" as indeed no one else was.

If the elders are going to use the second part of the definition which Paul applies to married males, then the elders have their authority to secretly ordain female elderessess or preacheresses.


RICK ATCHLEY RICHLAND HILLS: 2. In Philippians 1:1 Paul addresses his letter to "all the saints in Christ Jesus at Philippi together with the overseers and diakonois." Again, the close association of these "servants" with the local church would indicate some kind of official recognition of their function in that church.

They are officially recognized or they are not: which is it? History agrees that aged men (elders) kept the church from the folly of youth. Some elder men were competent teachers and were therefore Bishops who became the evangelists for their area. The deacons were perhaps younger and more able to go out as pastor-teachers as the word admits.

After discounting the Bible as authority for the Deaconess, church history as authority or Canon Law, a Catholic "lawyer" notes that:

"It would, however, be a mistake to conclude that the term has here necessarily a technical sense. When St. Paul speaks of Apollos (1 Cor. 3:5), Epaphras (Co. 1:7), Timothy (1 Thess. 3:2 and himself as diakonoi,

he is obviously concerned with service and not with office, and this may equally be the case with Phoebe--further than this the evidence does not allow one to go." (Davies, p. 1) (Davies, J.G, "Deacons, Deaconesses and the Minor Orders in the Patristic Period," Journal of Ecclesiastical History 14, no. 1 (April 1963), p. 2-3). See more.

PAUL and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, To all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons: Phil 1:1

Episkopos (g1985) ep-is'-kop-os; from 1909 and 4649 (in the sense of 1983); a superintendent, i.e. Chr. officer in gen. charge of a (or the) church (lit. or fig.): - bishop, overseer.

The shepherd "stands over" the flock so that he can lead it to food and watch for the wolves all wrapped up in sheepskins. Again, the elder is an aged men who is the balance wheel of the community. As a competent Bible teacher he is bishop.

Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; 1 Peter 5:2

For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre; Tit.1:7

Because Ephesians 4 does not define a "preacher" class but a Pastor-Teaching class, and everything Paul commands excludes a "wage" this passage agrees that if you hire a church feeder you have been warned that you have a hireling and the hireling will as soon eat the lambs as take care of and feed them.

The bishop is to feed the church like a shephard. He is not set into his role by a direct operation of a third person called the Holy Spirit (this band has also promoted the Catholic trinity).

Rather, a holy spirit is a person's own spirit made holy by having the Word indwell:

Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which

the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. Ac.20:28

Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock

of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. Act 20:28NIV

Full of the Holy Spirit is defined as:

Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience. 1Ti.3:9

Jesus said that "my word is Spirit and Life" (John 6:63). In Colossians the teaching resource was the Word of Christ; in Ephesians it was Spirit. Therefore, one is made an overseer by having A holy spirit which understands the Word of Christ: the Holy Spirit as a person does not take one "apt to chase coons" and make him "apt to teach" and suddenly filled with command authority.

This is a warning because

For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Acts 20:29

A shepherd does not magically get permission to radically rewrite the Biblical text "because we want to" but his task is exclusively ordained to teach and keep the wolves out. And the wolves "are us."


RICK ATCHLEY RICHLAND HILLS: As in Rom. 16:1, the term diakonoi could include women as well as men.

Again, in our version, the word is translated and not Anglicized:

I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea: Rom 16:1

You remember that Paul came to Corinth and remained until his 'team' arrived. Then, he let them know that Jesus was the Christ and of course had to leave the synagogues. Paul tarries in Corinth but not in Cenchrea:

And Paul after this tarried there yet a good while, and then took his leave of the brethren, and sailed thence into Syria, and with him Priscilla and Aquila; having shorn his head in Cenchrea: for he had a vow. Acts 18:18

And he came to Ephesus, and left them there: but he himself entered into the synagogue, and reasoned with the Jews. Acts 18:19

Cenchrea is a sea port of Corinth. Phoebe ministered to the church there and the message is that she was a business woman of means and could minister to the sick and distressed. She "ministered" to many and was indeed a servant. Aquila and Priscilla had risked their lives for Paul.

We know nothing of the people who assembled there but it would not have had a Preacher Person, elders with command authority, deacons with leadership over a fraction of the "ministeries" there because they were church or school and not a secular organization. Therefore, to compare deaconesses at a modern mega-temple and the simple family meetings in Cenchrea is very wide of the mark.

"Here is the recommendation of a friend, by whom (as some think) this epistle was sent-one Phebe, v. 1, 2. It should seem that she was a person of quality and estate, who had business which called her to Rome, where she was a stranger; and therefore Paul recommends her to the acquaintance of the Christians there: an expression of his true friendship to her. Paul was as well skilled in the art of obliging as most men. True religion, rightly received, never made any man uncivil. Courtesy and Christianity agree well together. Matthew Henry.

The church in Cenchrea is most likely the church of Corinth:

"As a servant to the church at Cenchrea: diakonon, a servant by office, a stated servant, not to preach the word (that was forbidden to women), but in acts of charity and hospitality. Some think she was one of the widows that ministered to the sick and were taken into the church's number, 1 Tim. 5:9.

But those were old and poor, whereas Phebe seems to have been a person of some account; and yet it was no disparagement to her to be a servant to the church.

Outside of the urge for preachers who have elevated themselves to the top of the pyramid, there is nothing in the Bible or church history or common sense which would elevate anyone to being a

Special servant

"Probably they used to meet at her house, and she undertook the care of entertaining the ministers, especially strangers. Every one in his place should strive to serve the church, for therein he serves Christ, and it will turn to a good account another day. Cenchrea was a small sea-port town adjoining to Corinth, about twelve furlongs distant. (12/8 of a mile or 1 1/2 mile) Some think there was a church there, distinct from that at Corinth, though, being so near, it is very probable that the church of Corinth is called the church of Cenchrea, because their place of meeting might be there, on account of the great opposition to them in the city (Acts 18:12), as at Philippi they met out of the city by the water-side, Acts 16:13. So the reformed church of Paris might be called the church at Charenton, where they formerly met, out of the city.

We know of no specific church in Cenchrea and Corinth was so evil that Paul was happy that he had not baptized many of them. There were no deacons or elders and no one with enough spirituality to solve even the basic human relationship problems.

Because her job as 'patroness' would center around the seaport, Phoebe's service would have been there.

If she was really an "official" female deacon in Cenchrea then she served with a preacher, without elders, without male deacons and as far as we can determine without a church.

As a "patroness" Phoebe was not an officer or employee of the church in Corinth but a financial aid to Paul who never burdened the church for a "wage."

If the good preacher wants to preach then he might be advise to organize a band of women to support him.
However, a servant has a bowed head and does not seek to be a "ruler" as the term seems to imply in this discussion.

Since Paul never identified Phoebe as a Pastor-Teacher she is defined by the first part of the word:

Diakonos (g1249) dee-ak'-on-os; prob. from an obs form (to run on errands; comp. 1377; an attendant, i.e. (gen.) a waiter (at table or in other menial duties)

And it bears repeating that if the good scholars are correct and honest then they need to appoint females as PASTORS or elders or preachers as key pastor.

specificially a Christian teacher and pastor (techn. a deacon or deaconess): - deacon, minister, servant

Phoebe is defined by the "servant" part but there is no hint that she was a teacher or pastor. Therefore, she was not a deaconess in the official sense.

If Diakonos applies to the Deaconess then Rick has no reason not to let the other shoe drop and ordain her as preacher or elder!

Because they will get the stubborn deacons out of the way but will not fire themselves and appoint female elders and preachers we must assume that this is either unscholarly or dishonest.

The same Paul who used (in Greek) the word for deacon which the good elders want to make gender-variant also wrote:

Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 1 Tim 2:11

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 1Ti.2:12

Esuchia (g2271) hay-soo-khee'-ah; fem. of 2272; (as noun) stillness, i.e. desistance from bustle or language: - quietness, silence.

Esuchios (g2272) hay-soo'-khee-os; a prol. form of a comp. prob. of a der. of the base of 1476 and perh. 2192; prop. keeping one's seat (sedentary), i.e. (by impl.) still (undisturbed, undisturbing): - peaceable, quiet.

Therefore, Paul could not have used "diakonos" in the sense the elders propose or she would be the pastor teacher who stands above the flock. This would violate his direct command that women not stand over or preside over the church's work of worship. And so agrees all of the historical evidence the good elders are partially quoting.

If Rick Atchley is correct then Paul was confused (and we ain't gonna take it any more) and REALLY meant that wome ARE permitted to teach and become non-sedentary in the assembly.

And those who tried it always turned it loose like a hot potato because it seems that the Spirit may have known something about the male and female types when women were never priests.


RICK ATCHLEY RICHLAND HILLS: 3. In 1 Timothy 3:8-13 Paul describes the qualities expected of diakonoi. It is a broad description of recognized moral character and spiritual commitment, not a legalistic checklist. (Compare the requirements for similar appointees in Acts 6:3.) There is no mention in 1 Timothy of how these special servants were appointed or what their duties were.

On the analogy of Acts 6 we assume that what distinguished their service from that of other Christians was simply that it was a specially designated role recognized in some way by the local church.

Clement of Rome writing of Corinth whose "functioning" elders and deacons were displaced by the same people Paul warned about, both elders and deacons were ELECTED by the congregation when there were no APOSTLES present. However, some of Ricks running mates are now apostles so maybe that is how it is done. In Acts 6, all Hellenist men were selected by the Hellenists to serve Hellenist widows.

There is no himt outside of the rise of the role of BISHOP that the clergy was remotely involved in selecting deacons who would remain while the evangelists would GO.

The elders were "pointed out" based on Paul's observations and Titus' communicating the word, as those "who were already laboring to the point of exhaustion in preaching and teaching." (Lenski).

The idea of a man selected based on his business ability is disgusting and destructive and simply chases all of the male leadership away.

What Rick is doing is to tell the congregation that WE CAN APPOINT evangelists. Located "preacher-pastors" have STOLEN this title and now Rick and his board of elders believes that they can just get sick and tired of all of those old translations and MAKE women into speacial evangelists.

In Acts 6 not even supernaturally inspired apostles ORDAINED or preselected the men. Rather, they all had Grecian names, were selected BY the Grecians to look after the feeding of the Grecian widows.

By presumptiously selecting and setting-over the deaconesses the elders and preachers presume more authority than the apostles took.

Furthermore, consistent with the historical misapplication of the word "deaconess" Acts 6 is not open ended: it is limited to feeding the widows something which the men did WITHOUT TITLES and which women can do without the title of SPECIAL which makes them the superior-blood of the breed.

In Acts they were all males and two of them were not called deacons but evangelists although they did serve the widows. By serving the widows in Jerusalem "they purchased a good degree" or credibility to go out and feed them with the Word of God.

In Acts there is a specific requirement: they must be full of the Holy Spirit. And they were not called deacons but EVANGELISTS.

To Paul that meant that they must be:

Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience. 1Ti.3:9 (or consciousness, a co-perception of the Word)

And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless. 1 Tim 3:10

Are the wives to be LIKEWISE Biblical scholars? If so, they are prohibited from teaching in a public sense!

Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things. 1 Tim 3:11

Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. 1 Tim 3:12

If gune means "deaconess" in 3:11 does this demand that the deacons have just one "deaconess" in 3:12?

If even so or likewise means that the wives are deacons as well, then they must be totally qualified as Bible teachers and they are, according to Acts 6, to move on and become EVANGELISTS also.

Since WE have declared that a herald or preacher or evangelist is NOW located with no place to preach, then by making the Special Deaconesses super stars we have also made them capable of being located preacher-persons.

If the term LIKEWISE ripples backward to make the gunes ALSO deacons and the deacons LIKEWISE Elders then the gunes or wives are LIKEWISE ELDERESSES, and so some contend.

Like the "deacons" in Jerusalem, the deacons in the later church were not "buildings and grounds guys" but they first of all had to be, like the elders, full of the Spirit Word. Why would that be? That was because the work rapidly led into being the minister or evangelist of the church.

Because women are not being allowed to preach, then making them into Deaconesses is just 'using' them by giving them a title now taken away, by force, from the males.

If you don't like the word "office" then just call it a work. However, verse 13 proves that it was an ongoing work from which one deepened their spiritual knowledge and gained confidence in "the faith."

For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus. 1 Tim 3:13

You cannot purchase these degrees from the local degree market:

Bathmos (g898) bath-mos'; from the same as 899; a step, i.e. (fig.) grade (of dignity): - degree.

Bathos (g899) bath'-os; from the same as 901; profundity, i.e. (by impl.) extent; (fig.) mystery: - deep (-ness, things), depth.

Because the second or "deeper" part of the definition of the deacon qualifies one for being a pastor-teacher this next step would be an evangelist (all evangelists GO) or an elder.

But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. 1 Tim 3:15

In chapter 4, Paul explained why people must behave based on what Paul wrote and taught:

NOW the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 1 Tim 4:1

And Paul told the elders that the departure would come from some of the elders. They would cut out whatever part of the Word and make up their own social rules for the church.

Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 1 Tim 4:2

Therefore, if you can fire the deacons and select your own favorites to be Special Servants you have no Biblical authority to preven the Deacons from firing the elders and selecting "special pastors." If the elders are correct that women can be "female types of the deacon" then she can be the Pastor-Teacher.

This is because the part of the definition of the deacon which applied to the males made them Pastor-Teachers.
Phoebe nor any other women are seen "teaching over males" or violating the "being sedentry" command.

Paul also outlaws the public teaching of women over men (not just baptized believers as the synagogue proves).

Therefore, neither Phoebe nor any woman is included in 1 Timothy 3:8-11.

Note on "women" in 1 Timothy 3:11: From our study of this passage we concluded that the mention of "women" in v. 11 is a reference to the women who serve as special servants, not to the wives" of the male special servants.


RICK ATCHLEY RICHLAND HILLS: The word in Greek can mean either "women" or "wives" depending on the context. But the grammar and syntax of the passage here strongly favor taking it as "women."

That is fine, but there is no context to allow you to translate her into a "deaconess." GUNE is never translated, cannot be translated, as wife. The word for the WIVES of elders is "gune," the word for wives of deacons is "gune" therefore the ONLY CONTEXT is that the "gunes" are the elder's and deacon's gunes:

Gune (g1135) goo-nay'; prob. from the base of 1096; a woman; spec. a wife: - wife, woman.

Her "positive" work cannot happen unless her "duties" are defined in the negative way: she can be trusted, she is not a slanderer nor is she a wine drinker.

Paul defined the qualification of the elder, then the deacon and then THEIR wives (plural)

Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things. 1 Tim 3:11

Using the same word, gune, Paul said that the deacon must just have one of these "whatsits."

Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. 1 Tim 3:12

That doesn't mean that seven deacons have just one wife, but each elder and each deacon must have one wife. I would be careful in calling my wife "that woman." And she is a diligent servant of the church but she is not a deacon or she would have to also have ONE WIFE.

If these are not "wives" but just "women" we certainly hope that they don't live with the deacons.


RICK ATCHLEY RICHLAND HILLS: The structure of verse 11 is identical to that of v. 8. Both begin with "In the same way ..." and both are equally dependant on the main verb in the previous paragraph. The qualities listed for the women parallel the four character traits of the men in verse 8. Significantly, the noun "women" lacks the article and possessive pronoun "their," which it would normally need to be understood as "wives." (The pronoun added in some translations is not in the Greek text.)

Because Rick appeals to Brother Eldred Echols for proof but do not grasp what he said, brethren from Richland Hills interviewed Brother Echols and he said what any honest reader of the Word would conclude. Interviewed by a member who reported:

"I particularly wanted his input on the conjunctive word "likewise" that was used twice by the Apostle Paul in 1Tim 3.

"Three times, I asked Eldred if the word "likewise" as used in 1Tim 3:11 meant that the group of people the Apostle Paul was discussing before and after this word were of equal credentials.

Three times Eldred emphatically and without hesitation said, "NO!" Certainly if "likewise" here meant that the subjects before and after were the same;

then the word likewise in 1Tim 3:8 would have to mean the same thing.

This would mean that deacon and elders are equal.
This would also mean that women could serve as elders since "
likewise" means they can serve as deacons.
Surely if a woman can serve as an elder she can surely serve as a preacher. Is this where the elders are going? Is there any way this is scripturally possible? What's going on? I'm confused!!

Brother Echols's paper can be read both ways. However, he so circumscribes the women's duty that he would not equate them to "female deacons." In later parallel discussion of the elder men and the elder women her duties would be consistent with her moral character and not with the teaching duties of the elder and deacon.

However, since the STRONG POINT of those trying to go postmodern and abrogate two thousand years of historical testimony and experience, the LIKEWISE argument is repudiated by Br. Echols as Rick Atchley's evidence.

How can an elder pledge to protect even one lost lamb deliberately sow discord and offend many of these little ones based on their latter day understanding of first century Greek which the translators of the text apparently did not know?

Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre; 1 Tim 3:8
Even
so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things 1 Tim 3:11

Or as the elders want to translate it with their first century grammar book as authority:

Even so must women be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things 1 Tim 3:11

So, let it be: there still is not word nor grammar to make women into deaconesses!

The elder is an "aner," the deacon is an "aner" and their wives are "gunes."

The order is not:

The elder is an "aner," the deacon is an "aner" and their wives are "DIAKONOI."

An American translator may have to go to Germany and consult an author to translate a novel. By what stretch do the good doctors lay their hands on a first century dictionary, lexicon and Book of Grammar. Until the papyri no one knew what language the Bible was written in: it wasn't New Testamen Greek of the scholars but Koine of the fish mongers. Here is the word for likewise:

Osautos (g5615) ho-sow'-toce; from 5613 and an adv. from 846; as thus, i.e. in the same way: - even so, likewise, after the same (in like) manner.

Of 5613:

And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. Heb 7:8

(Likewise) And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, paid tithes in Abraham. Heb.7:9

Proving that Likewise Does not Make gune mean deaconess.

After defining the work of the Elder, Paul wrote:

Likewise (g5615) must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre; 1 Timothy 3:8

Does this mean that the deacon is a deacon and Likewise (meaning also) an elder? That is Rick's exact argument.

And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat; this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. 1 Corinthians 11:24

After the same manner (g5615) also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. 1 Corinthians 11:25

"Likewise" does not mean that you drink the cup in the same way that you eat the bread. You don't LIKEWISE brake the cup. The blood of Christ was not LIKEWISE broken for you.

If "likewise" accumulates everything which went before it--i.e. "gune likewise" accumulates the duty and authority of the elder and likewise the duty and authority of the deacon the you can simply dispense with both elders and deacons.

Likewise, what applies to the cup does not apply to the bread. They are simply one done sequentially:

I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting. 1 Tim 2:8

In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamedfacedness and sobriety; not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 1 Tim 2:9

WRATH DEFINES A RELIGIOUS RITUAL USING THE WORD ORGE OR ORGY BROUGHT ON BY MUSIC AND OFTEN INVOLVING HOMOSEXUALS: THE SAME DOGS PAUL WARNED NOT TO LET INTO YOUR MENTAL WORSHIP

When the pagan prophetesses performed their RITES often using singing and instruments they claimed to be able to LEAD YOU into the presence of the Gods. These RITES created PANIC or the burden of "spiritual anxiety created by religious rituals" which Jesus died to SILENCE. Remember that the Greeks defined the BEAST in Revelation as PAN. His horns were musical pan pipes which tyrants used to gain their own mountain kingdom.

In the environment in which Christianity arose was surcharged with such phenomena (raving prophecy). In the Greek oracles messages were uttered by priests or priestesses in a state of ecstasy,

consciousness being in abeyance, and it was necessary to interpret them to the laity, as both Plutarch and Heraclitus testify... In the orgies of the cult of Dionysus music, dancing, drink, and other means were employed to supereninduce the ecstatic state, in which the devotees ate raw flesh, disported themselves with frenzied enthusiasm in the forests, and indulged in wild phallic excesses.

The ecstatic person was 'in the divinity' and out of normal consciousness. Cicero makes prophecy and madness practically synonymous." (Clark, Elmer T., The Small Sects in America, p. 86, Abingdon)

"The religious ecstasy induced by music expressed itself either in an outburst of emotions, thus giving rise to religious catharsis, or in a transfer to the state of PROPHECY.

"In this way MUSIC became an important factor in divination. In the mysteries of the MAGNA MATER this relationship between MUSIC and DIVINATION is particularly clear. [The Serpent in the garden was a Musical Enchanter or Diviner: now, SHE has moved in]

"Through the din of tambourines, cymbals (locusts) and flutes the ecstatic worshiper of the GODDESS prophesied the future to those present.

"This relationship also explains why the expression for "making music" and "prophesying" was often identical in the ancient tongues. origen contra celsum 8.67. (Quasten, Johannes, Music and Worship in Pagan and Christian Antiquity, p. 39)

Orge I. natural impulse or propension: one's temper, temperament, disposition, orgê , hê, II. passion, anger, wrath, 3. Panos orgai panic fears (i. e. terrors sent by Pan), Eur.:--but, orgê tinos anger against a person or at a thing, Soph.; hierôn orgas wrath at or because of the rites, Aesch.

Euripides, Medea And one old woman among the servants, thinking, I suppose, that a frenzy from Pan or one of the other gods had come upon her, raised a festal shout to the god, until she saw the white foam coming between her lips and her eyes [1175]  starting out of their sockets and her skin all pale and bloodless. Then indeed she raised a wail in answer to her former shout. And at once one servant went to her father's house, another to her new husband to tell of the bride's misfortune: the whole [1180]  house rang with the sound of drumming footsteps.

Aeschylus, Agamemnon The case now stands where it stands--it moves to fulfilment at its destined end. Not by offerings burned in secret, not by secret libations, [70] not by tears, shall man soften the stubborn wrath of unsanctified sacrifices.69-71

But we, incapable of service by reason of our aged frame, discarded from that martial mustering of long ago, wait here at home, [75] supporting on our canes a strength like a child's. For just as the vigor of youth, leaping up within the breast, is like that of old age, since the war-god is not in his place; so extreme age, its leaves [80] already withering, goes its way on triple feet, and, no better than a child, wanders, a dream that is dreamed by day.

Orgia A.secret rites, secret worship, practised by the initiated, of Demeter, Cabeiri (homosexuals) Orpheus, Cybele GREAT MOTHER, mostly of Dionysus, orgia Mousôn Ar.Ra.356

Rev. 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
Rev. 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
Rev. 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Euripides, Bacchae 73 Chorus

Blessed is he who, being fortunate and knowing the rites of the gods, keeps his life pure and [75]  has his soul initiated into the Bacchic revels, dancing in inspired frenzy over the mountains with holy purifications, and who, revering the mysteries of great mother Kybele, [80]  brandishing the thyrsos, garlanded with ivy, serves Dionysus.

Go, Bacchae, go, Bacchae, escorting the god Bromius, child of a god, [85]  from the Phrygian mountains to the broad streets of Hellas--Bromius,

Aristophanes Frogs.  

Let him be mute and stand aside from our sacred dances
who has no experience of mystical language, or has not cleansed his mind
Who never has seen and never has danced in the rites of the noble Muses
Nor ever has been inducted into the Bacchic mysteries of beef-eating Cratinus

For being ridiculed in the ancestral rites of Dionysus.
All these I warn, and twice I warn, and thrice I warn again,
stand aside from our mystical dances; but as for you: arouse the song
and the night-long dances, that belong to our festival here.
 

G3735 oros or'-os perhaps akin to G142 ; compare G3733 ); a mountain (as lifting itself above the plain): 

Men lust to see non-quiet and non-sedentary females which by definition exercise the AUTHENTO authority which is both erotic and murderous. This defines the Mad Women at Corinth who had practiced the musical madness in pagan temples.

Org-aô  I. to be getting ready to bear, growing ripe for something,  
II. of men, like sphrigaô, swell with lust, wax wanton, be rampant, ho ep' aphrodisiois mainomenos . . orgôn Poll.6.188 ; of human beings and animals, to be in heat, desire sexual intercourse,   .

2. generally, to be eager or ready, to be excited, Lakedaimoniôn orgôntôn emellon peirasesthai Th.4.108 ; orgôntes krinein judge under the influence of passion,

Aphrodisiois mainomenos . .
Aphrodisios [From Aphroditê]
I. belonging to Aphrodite,

II. Aphrodisia, ta, sexual pleasures, .

2. a festival of Aphrodite, 

Aphrodisiois mainomenos . .

Mainomai  I. to rage, be furious, Hom.; ho maneis the madman, Soph.: to be mad with wine, Od.:--of Bacchic frenzy, Il., Soph.; hupo tou theou m. to be driven mad by the god, Hdt.; to mainesthai madness, Soph.; plein ê mainomai more than madness, Ar.:--c. acc. cogn., memênôs ou smikran noson mad with no slight disease, Aesch.

This is the same MENTAL EXCITEMENT which Paul outlawss as NOT Christian and NOT possible in the assembly. The mental excitement was almost always caused by music to induce MADNESS or "prophesying."

G700 areskÿ ar-es'-ko Probably from G142 (through the idea of exciting emotion); to be agreeable (or by implication to seek to be so please.

G142 airo ah'ee-ro A primary verb; to lift; by implication to take up or away; figuratively to raise (the voice), keep in suspense (the mind); specifically to sail away (that is, weigh anchor); by Hebraism (co

Demeter and Proserpine have become the heroines of a mystic drama; and their wanderings, and seizure, and grief, Eleusis celebrates by torchlight processions. I think that the derivation of orgies and mysteries ought to be traced, the former to the wrath (orge) of Demeter against Zeus, the latter to the nefarious wickedness (mu/soj) relating to Dionysus; but if from Myus of Attica, who Pollodorus says was killed in hunting-no matter, I don't grudge your mysteries the glory of funeral honours.

You may understand mysteria in another way, as mytheria (hunting fables), the letters of the two words being interchanged; for certainly fables of this sort hunt after the most barbarous of the Thracians, the most senseless of the Phrygians, and the superstitious among the Greeks.

Perish, then, the man who was the author of this imposture among men, be he Dardanus, who taught the mysteries of the mother of the gods, or Eetion, who instituted the orgies and mysteries of the Samothracians, or that Phrygian Midas who, having learned the cunning imposture from Odrysus, communicated it to his subjects.

For I will never be persuaded by that Cyprian Islander Cinyras, who dared to bring forth from night to the light of day the lewd orgies of Aphrodité in his eagerness to deify a strumpet of his own country.

Others say that Melampus the son of Amythaon imported the festivals of Ceres from Egypt into Greece, celebrating her grief in song.

These I would instance as the prime authors of evil, the parents of impious fables and of deadly superstition, who sowed in human life that seed of evil and ruin-the mysteries.

And now, for it is time, I will prove their orgies to be full of imposture and quackery. And if you have been initiated, you will laugh all the more at these fables of yours which have been held in honour. I publish without reserve what has been involved in secrecy, not ashamed to tell what you are not ashamed to worship.

All honour to that king of the Scythians, whoever Anacharsis was, who shot with an arrow one of his subjects who imitated among the Scythians the mystery of the Mother of the gods, as practised by the inhabitants of Cyzicus,

beating a drum and sounding a cymbal
strung from his neck like a priest of Cybele, condemning him 
as having become effeminate among the Greeks
and a teacher of the disease of effeminacy to the rest of the Cythians.

Pauo means: Stop the: Panos orgai panic fears (i. e. terrors sent by Pan), Eur.:--but, orgê tinos anger against a person or at a thing, hierôn orgas wrath at or because of the rites.

Is this reciprocal? Does this mean that the men must not braid their hair? Men can pray if they have holy hands to turn upward: women can pray if they are sober: neither are said to have LED in prayer.

RICK ATCHLEY RICHLAND HILLS: Finally, it didn't make sense to us that there would be requirements for the wives of deacons when there were no similar requirements for the wives of elders in the preceding paragraph.

Example: Married elders may speak at the meeting, likewise the married deacons may speak at the meeting, likewise their wives must come sober.

Can the sane mind claim that the DEACON'S wifes must come sober but the ELDERS wives can come drunk as a skunk?

No. Simple Reading 101aaa.

It would appear dangerous to sow discord among brethren and offend many of these little ones by rejecting the history of the world just because "it makes no sense to us."

Paul defines elders and LIKEWISE deacons and LIKEWISE the women or their wives as the translators pre-post-modern understood it:

Even (likewise) so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things. 1 Tim 3:11

The "wives" are the wives of all of the elders and all of the deacons. And elders and deacons can have only ONE of these. But, Paul DIDN'T say that the deacon can have just one deaconess!

Look at the little picture:

Elders



Likewise

Deacons



Likewise

Women

If "likewise women" makes them female deacons.

Why doesn't "Likewise Deacons" make deacons also elders?

The work of the elder is different from the deacon. However, they both must have wives and the qualificaitons are the same. "It makes sense to me" that Paul would not spend valuable space defining the wives or women twice! In Titus they are further defined as wives but not deaconesses or "those women."

If the "likewise" makes the women "deaconesses" then it makes them "elderesses."

If there is no qualification for the wives of the elders (in the elder's view) and these are just "women" perhaps the elders LIKEWISE share the WOMEN. In early church history this is exactly what happened when large number of deaconesses (widows and nuns) were assigned to churches. This is why the "office" was ALWAYS abused and always outlawed.

Here is the way Paul said it to Titus showing that the elders are not hot shots but are aged males. The deacon is the "minister" of the church because by definition an aged man who is a stabalizing influence cannot get about and do the work of ministry (deacons not preachers)

That the aged men (elders) be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience. Titus 2:2

Presbutes (g4246) pres-boo'-tace; from the same as 4245; an old man: - aged (man), old man.

The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; Titus 2:3

Presbutis (g4247) pres-boo'-tis; fem. of 4246; an old woman: - aged woman.

You see, the feminine form makes the women aged but it does not make them men. The women must also be sober, grave, temperant, sound in faith, in charity, in patience but aged women are not aged men.

Does their Biblical knowledge make them preside over the flock teachers? No. Paul made it so clear that a Phd cannot make a mistake:

That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, Titus 2:4

To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed. Titus 2:5

The absolute demand is that the elders must teach the word "as it has been taught." Timothy was to give attendance to the public reading of the Word. "Singing" was not singing but teaching the revealed word one to another. Therefore, there is no role for "ministry leaders" to preside over agencies of the social gospel and church as "holy entertainment."

Therefore, the best way women can win their husbands is "without words" and the best way they can evangelize is to make sure that the Word of God is not blasphemed. Blaspheming the Word is blaspheming the Spirit.

The elders are just trying to add female leadership to a non Biblical, pyramidal ministry system which will fall of its own weight sooner than later.

Continuing the "likewise" fallacy of the elders:

The young men being also sober minded does not make them young, male aged women! Get it?

Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded. Titus 2:6

The elder's wife has no more qualificaitons than any other woman because the pre-apostasy church did not peer-select a "man-wife" team. Therefore, all women "teach without words" more by their conduct than their "preside over the flock with a tune."

There is good Biblical reason for translating the word "woman" into "wives" for the elders and deacons:

One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 1 Tim 3:4

(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 1 Tim 3:5

The modern Deaconess is selected to the exclusion of males to "take care of the church of God." That is a fact.

Therefore, we conclude that "the women" refers back to both deacons and elders and means wives because they have children. We hope that the elders and deacons are not having children by the "women" as translated "deaconess."


RICK ATCHLEY RICHLAND HILLS: We have no way to change the use of the term "deacon" in English translations that have employed it for centuries to justify an existing ecclesiastical hierarchy.

No, Jesus said that there is no command leadership in the church. And Paul qualified the elder as one "laboring to the point of exhaustion in preaching and teaching." The elder is the pastor-teacher of the local congregation and if he dismisses the deacons as ministers and evangelists and hires a "top gun" who specializes in philosophy, communications or theater to be surrogate "father" of the family then he has abdicated any spiritual leadership and must resign.

The Bible does not speak of an ecclesiastical hierarchy: this has been the work of the elders who are too often "more apt to chase a coon than apt to teach the Bible."

However, it was ONLY after the bishops ceased to be EVANGELISTS and took control over the area of their ministry that an ecclesiastical hierarchy developed which would give ANY authority for a band of hired ministers and "board of elders" to fire the deacons when Christ intended that they be the younger generation of Servant-Teacher.

Therefore, Rick has become top of the pyramid of power and has decided that HE can fire the ONLY preacher-teachers authorized by the Word for the local church. The Mother of the end-time church who will have her own musical worship team (Rev 18) must be proud of such pride.


RICK ATCHLEY RICHLAND HILLS: But we wanted to end our own use of this title that only perpetuates the now common misunderstanding of diakonos as an "office" rather than a function.

Are the elders under a hostile attack from hostile women? Elders really cannot stomach boat rockers. Among the Episcopals we hear a similar chant:

No More Study!

In late 1971, women deacons, seminarians and supporters gathered for a conference on ordination, and sent a sharply worded letter to the Presiding Bishop protesting the planned appointment of still another study committee. Then they formed the Episcopal Women's Caucus, an avowedly-political group dedicated to promoting women's ministries.

Provacateurs (and street theater)

The day came, September 16, 1976. In an intensely charged atmosphere, the House of Deputies adopted a resolution already approved by the House of Bishops, calling for a new section in the church's canon law:

The provisions of these canons for the admission of Candidates, and for the Ordination to the three Orders, Bishops, Priests and Deacons, shall be equally applicable to men and women.

25 Years Bring Big Changes

In the aftermath of Minneapolis, some disappointed Episcopalians formed a breakaway church, while others vowed to fight from within. That conflict continues, with sexuality added to the mix, and more schismatic groups in the making.

For most, the changes made in Minneapolis, novel and threatening then, are taken for granted 25 years later. Some still call the 1979 book "the new prayer book;" but an entire generation knows nothing else. Children in most dioceses scoff at the idea that women can't be priests.

If you have had your WALK TO EMMAUS then you are already in bed with the Episcopals. However, their plan is to make you Catholics or Anglicans.

Remember the fuss made when someone discovered the word "paradigm." Wow, how many books have been sold and "discords have been sown" by "pradigm" professors fighting against the "pattern" pagans. Did anyone every tell them?

Well, we are gonna sow discord as Alpha males and fire all of the offices and hire functions. Webster to the rescue:

Office: 1. something performed or intended to be performed for another, 2. a) a function or duty assigned to someone as part of his work or position.

Function: a special duty or performance required in the course of work or activity. Syn: office or duty.

Do you get the urgency of doing a Narrative Theology on the Bible which stood for 2,000 years until the "ME" generation? Huh? Huh? Huh?

Next, how about doing away with defining peer-selected "youngers" to hold the "office" of Aged-Men?

This translates into Post Modernism or Narrative Theology. The old "modern" Bible has used the word deacon for two thousand years. However, we, a mighty band of men who have our degrees from infidel U have a right to use the old fragmented Scripture and use the Shelly Sifter to compose our own latter day translation.

This same Bible has NEVER given the church the idea that there should be an office of deaconesses. The word was always adopted to define the widow in deed (over 60) or the perpetual virgin. If "we have deciced to" make female deaconesses then they need to be put into convents if they are young. In no sense does the Bible or church history give "us" the authority to make the pastors over a fraction of the work of the church.

The word for elder is presbuteros. It is defined as an office but no more so than the work of the deacon. In the same way, the deacon may become an evangelist just as tthe "deacons" in Acts 6 were know as evangelists. The word is:

Diakonia (g1248) dee-ak-on-ee'-ah; from 1249; attendance (as a servant, etc.); fig. (eleemosynary) aid, (official) service (espec. of the Christian teacher, or techn. of the diaconate): - (ad-) minister (- ing, - tration, -try), office, relief, service (-ing).

Here are some examples:

But watch (keep sober) thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. 2Ti.4:5

Only Luke is with me. Take Mark, and bring him with thee: for he is profitable to me for the ministry. 2Ti.4:11

If you fire the deacons and autocratically select a new set including female deaconesses (after special servant wouldn't fly) then you have fired that class of spirit filled men who become teachers or preachers or missionaries and who have equal footing with the elders in the local assembly.


RICK ATCHLEY RICHLAND HILLS: So we decided to use the term "special servant" for men and women who evidence the qualities described in 1 Timothy 3 or Acts 6 and who will accept resposibility for a designated role of service.

"Servant" retains the usual sense of the Greek diakonos, while "special" helps convey the technical sense it has in the passages discussed above.

Based on Acts 6, the definition of the work and history's proof that the DEACONS were the local pastor-teachers along with the elders, when WE decide to fire both deacons and not even appoint deaconesses but REPLACE them with hired hands then WE have usurped the authority of the Deacons just as Clement of Rome said happened in Corinth.

Again, these MEN were not called deacons but EVANGELISTS. Therefore WE can or have decided that women can be SPECIAL PREACHERS since WE have decided that we are too proud to go into all the world and WE have decided that evangelist really means located preacher.

But the "Deacon" who was always male was a servant but he was also a SPECIAL servant but not special in the true sense.

The "title" attached to the ALL MALE servants in Acts 2 is in two cases EVANGELISTS. Now, the preacher calls himself a "located evangelists" which is about as damning as getting paid to be a "located travelling salesman." Therefore, WE can decide that women can fill the role of Acts 6 when the HOLY SPIRIT decided no such thing then WE can and WE will decide that women can be SPECIAL evangelistis based on Acts 6. That means preside over elders whose role has been totally usurped by preachers in a direct violation of a clear Biblical principle.

All believers are servants and to make women into a clergy role is divisive. Diakonos just means servant or slave or a totally sacrificial person like Jesus.

The word SPECIAL is the feminine form of:

Egemoneuo (h2230) hayg-em-on-yoo'-o; from 2232; to act as ruler: - be governor.

Egeomai (g2233) hayg-eh'-om-ahee; mid. of a (presumed) strengthened form of 71; to lead, i.e. command (with official authority); fig. to deem, i.e. consider: - account, (be) chief, count, esteem, governor, judge, have the rule over, suppose, think.

The word "special" also applies the word "chief" to the new deaconesses but Jesus said:

But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve. Luke 22:26

Egeomai (g2233) hayg-eh'-om-ahee; mid. of a (presumed) strengthened form of 71; to lead, i.e. command (with official authority); fig. to deem, i.e. consider: - account, (be) chief, count, esteem, governor, judge, have the rule over, suppose, think.

Therefore, WE have decided that elders RULE and that evangelists are located and now we have decided that those whom WE select can be CHIEFS in violation of the direct command and example of Jesus.

The word for AUTHORITY Paul uses is the Greek AUTHENTIA which means sexual authority exercised by any non-silent (including non-sedentary) women presiding or a part of a pastoral "praise team."

The word "special" in English:

Different from others; distinctive or unique. Special differentiates itself from others of its class or species. Singled out for ATTENTION.

Therefore, 'woman' + 'special' means violating the explicit Word of God: and no doctor of the law can deny that without needing to turn his "sheep skin" back in.

By fabricating a Tower of Babel "ministry pyramid" the intention is that the "special servants" are really to be RULERS OVER a fraction of the work which belongs to the elders who, if the pattern works, will soon find themselves replaced by female "special shepherdesses."

This has been done based on rejection of the historical meaning of the Scriptures somehow because WE now have the authority as autocratic, dominant leaders. However, remember the warning that self-elated elders have always been the cause of a beyond redemption rejection of God's word just so we can "set ourselves as kings over the flock."

Notable quotes from our resources:

Quoting Eldred Echols: "The preponderance of evidence is that deaconesses were commonly found in the first century churches. They did not constitute an office (as this term is used to designate a titled position) but a function. They were appointed to meet a practical need." Eldred Echols

But, that is not an honest quotation, is it? This is a summary but Echols (who isn't inspired) said that:

The TRUE Eldred Echols The preponderance of scholarship, both Catholic and Protestant, holds that there was a special class of older women who were regarded as deaconesses in the primitive church.

Some women were regarded as prophetesses, apostles and priests but they were neither. Some men were REGARDED as apostles so the Didache has a test: if they remained for the THIRD DAY this was the DROP DEAD test: they are false teachers.

Even so they DID NOT EXIST IN THE FIRST CENTURY CHURCHES: THAT IS A WHOPPER OF WHOPPERS and an apology is probably owed brother Echols.

If this were the truth then the Catholic feminists would not agree that women cannot be clergy. However, using the Law of Silence women can be deaconesses. THEN, she can become clergy!

The Role of Women Deacons Galles: Canon Law

At its 1995 convention in Montreal the Canon Law Society of America (CLSA) voted to present to the American bishops a report on women deacons. The 53-page report suggested that the American bishops seek an apostolic indult to permit women to be ordained to the diaconate in the United States.

The report carefully surveyed the historical evidence of whether women had been ordained to the diaconate and found the historical evidence inconclusive. Everyone acknowledges that in the early Christian era especially in the eastern church women served as deaconesses with a special ministry to women.

Because of the traditional seclusion of women there, women could not be attended by male ministers.

But there is no consensus as to whether deaconesses were ever technically and in the proper sense of the term "ordained" to the diaconate.

In the debate over women priests no one had been able to show that women had ever been ordained priests except in a few heretical sects. Thus the historical evidence ripened into a serious theological argument from Tradition that the church had not ordained women to the priesthood because she could not do so.

The CLSA report now skillfully turned this argument against the ordination of women to the priesthood into an argument in favor of the ordination of women deacons.

In the case of women deacons the report asserts that there is no clear and convincing evidence that women had not in fact been "ordained" to the diaconate. So, the report goes on to say, by the same logic the church is not precluded from ordaining women deacons.

If the American bishops request and receive the indult to ordain women to the diaconate, it will mean momentous (Christifidelis) readers should be aware of these potential changes.

Even if not priests, women deacons would nevertheless in canon law, like priests, be clerics. They would no longer be lay persons. To illuminate what their status would be if they are admitted to diaconal ordination, we present the following sketch of the current canon law of deacons.

Echols also quotes the Apostolic Constitutions speaking of the function of the deaconesses as though they are a common instution throughout the church.

However, Echols would deny that these were just deacons of the female persuasion. The church used the term "servant" which we see translated into english as "deaconess" to define the widows in deed who assisted with females. They never became responsible for any fraction of the oversight or operation of the worship rituals. We just happen to have that document handy for you to read.

Of course, this was about 350 years into the Catholic Apostasy.

We would want preachers, elders and deacons to have always been virgins. If a man's wife dies he can never get married and be an elder or preacher. The "deaconesses" must be aged widows or perpetual virgins (nuns). If your virgin deaconess decides to get married she shall be excommunicated.

"Ordain also a deaconess who is faithful and holy, for the ministrations towards women.

For sometimes he cannot send a deacon, who is a man, to the women, on account of unbelievers.

[This would include women "ruling over men" which would also repel the unbelievers]

Thou shalt therefore send a woman, a deaconess, on account of the imaginations of the bad.
A
deaconess does not bless, nor perform anything belonging to the office of presbyters or deacons,

but only is to keep the doors, and to minister to the presbyters in the baptizing of women, on account of decency.

The word which is translated "deaconess" in English went into areas in a seclueded society into which males COULD NOT GO.

Will someone read that to the scholars?

Caroll Osburn: "Although in later practice the role of 'deacon' became an official position in the church, there is no indication in the NT itself that the term 'deacon' ever meant anything more than a 'servant."' Carroll Osburn

Well, that isn't the fact as we have seen above by about 350.

We have shown that by the definition of the word that a deacon is a "Special Servant" with responsiblities which Paul restricted to the women. The word is used dozens of times when speaking of people who ministered, but Paul stated and so has 2,000 years of church history held that the deacon is a dedicated servant. And we have shown the connection between the word for deacon and the ministering evangelists as the 'deacons' Philip and Stephen are called evangelists.

N.D. Kelly: "It was the term 'deacon', or servant, which Jesus] employed to express his own revolutionary ideal of human relationships as mutual service mvolving complete self-sacrifice (Mk. x. 43-5; Mt. xx. 26-8). By a natural transition, therefore, every kmd of service in the propagation of the gospel is in the N.T. described as a diakonia, or ministry." J.N.D. Kelly

John N. D. Kelly is part of the Preterist writings (A.D. 70 movement)

The Spirit of Christ was the Spirit of the prophets. There is no female function in the Jewish civil rituals from which the common people were excluded.

There was no female role in the synagogue.

Jesus failed to pick a female through whom He would minister His Spirit Word to the World.

Therefore, what Jesus outlawed as terminal sin was even an inspired apostle who would decide to "rewrite" the Bible, fire the people approved by the congregation and presume to appoint female ministers over the flock.

An elder is a servant of the flock and the Old Testamen sternly warns against human shepherds who most often feed on the lambs and muddy the water of the Word with their big feet.

It is a fact that women are very powerful servants of the flock. Nevertheless, these elders have retranslated the Bible because "we ain't gonna take it any more that deacons have authority." Therefore, we will pick women who are easier to push around.

Rubel Shelly: If one adds the verb form of the word (diakoneo), a clearer--although ever-broader--picture emerges. Jesus served his disciples (Lk. 22:27b) and told us to lead m his kingdom by serving others (Lk. 22:26). Everyone should serve with the gift God has given him or her (1 Pet. 4:10). Just as certain women "were helping to support" Jesus (Lk. 8:3), so anyone giving food, shelter, or clothing to someone is credited with doing it to Jesus himself." Rubel Shelly

Because Paul an Apoistle with the right to food, refused to take it and set this as an approved example for all future evangelists, he was often supported by women who by definition were servants. However, no women ever presumed to take on the role of public proclaimer. Rubel Shelly will also give the women the right to prophesy in public.

This is "cumulative argument" presuming that if enough peer-authority is called up then everyone will forget that this has nothing to say about the deacon who is definitely an official role as assuredly as the evangelist is an official role--but not in the local congregation.

C. R. Nichol: "Phoebe was a servant, 'deaconess,' in the church at Cenchreae.... [In 1 Timothy 3] Paul was telling of the qualifications of the deacons, a selected group of men who serve in the church, and in the midst of the discussion he turned aside to make reference to the female-deacon, deaconess, and her qualifications. There were such women in the church in the days of Paul, women who were servants of the church." C. R. Nichol

Nichols push for women teachers was based on the new Sunday School movement where he argued that women were better teachers of the youth.

From michael C. Armour, Skillman Church of Christ, Dallas: Cincinatti Bible College, 2000. Armour notes that the opposition often comes from women and therefore the change must be done gradually (navigating the winds of change).

Perhaps women are more keenly aware of Paul's warning that preside over or non-sendentary "authority" was always sexual authority and it cannot be otherwise.

"A generation later one of The Gospel Advocate's most esteemed writers, C. R. Nichol, likewise took aim at the prevailing consensus. In 1938, in an oft-republished book called God's Woman, he held that women served as deaconesses in the early church and that they should be accorded that same opportunity today.

Mike Armour totally false views of instrumental music.

The Gospel Advocate are also the good people who along with H. Leo Boles gave you the God Family pushed to the limit by men like Max Lucado and Rubel Shelly. The Polytheistic god of the group is "three members of a God family, kith and kin, able to stand side by side or face to face and hold planning sessions." Rubel Shelly even sees the Father God and the Spirit God acing out little Son God and tricked Him into volunteering to die for the world."

Cecil Hook also notes that:

C. R. Nichol, in his book, God's Woman, argued that chapter 11 dealt with the Lord's Day services and that both men and women prophesied in it. He further argued that Paul left the discussion of the regular Lord's Day service at the close of this chapter and began addressing special services where the gifts of the Holy Spirit were being exercised in chapter 12.

His argument is based upon the fact that Paul seemed to finish the discussion of the Lord's Day worship service in chapter 11, which included the Lord's Supper, since he began chapter 12 with a new subject.

Tertullian

"[A female heretic], lately conversant in this quarter, has carried away a great number with her most venomous doctrine, making it her first aim to destroy baptism. . . . But we, little fishes, after the example of our Icthus [Greek, "Fish"], Jesus Christ, are born in water . . . so that most monstrous creature, who had no right to teach even sound doctrine, knew full well how to kill the little fishes, by taking them away from the water" (Baptism 1 [A.D. 203]).

Firmilian

"[T]here suddenly arose among us a certain woman, who in a state of ecstasy (raising hands, hand clapping is caused by a state of ecstasy or prophesying) announced herself as a prophetess and acted as if filled with the Holy Ghost. . . . Through the deceptions and illusions of the demon, this woman had previously set about deluding believers in a variety of ways. Among the means by which she had deluded many was daring to pretend that, through proper invocation, she consecrated bread and performed the Eucharist. She offered up the sacrifice to the Lord in a liturgical act that corresponds to the usual rites, and she baptized many, all the while misusing the customary and legitimate wording of the [baptismal] question. She carried all these things out in such a manner that nothing seemed to deviate from the norms of the Church" (collected in Cyprian's Letters 74:10 [A.D. 253]).

What Nichol didn't grasp was that the uncovered pagan prophesying ends in 1 Cor 11:17 where Paul began to speak about "when you come together." He said that "your assemblies do more harm than good." Nevertheless, Rubel Shelly believes that women can prophesy.

Phoebe served the church in Cenchreae but she is not called a deaconess. She is a traveling business woman and probably a functionary of the Greek government as "welcome wagon, house hunter and employment office." Having one woman called a servant one time does not constitute enough authority to convince the translators or church history who tried and rejected the work of the deaconess even when it involved over 60 widows and perpetual nuns with no authority in the church.

But we have shown that Paul called the males "deacons" and the women or wives "woman." Would that be demeaning for Paul to speak of male deacons and elders and then turn aside and make reference to "THOSE WOMEN." Sounds like something a president might do.

Stephen J. Sandifer: "1 Tim. 3 is most naturally understood if applied to female deacons, not wives or some informal un-named group. Phoebe is called a servant of the church, exactly what a deacon should be. The problems are created when the service function is solidified into as ecclesiastical office." Stephen J. Sandifer

Or is that J. Stephen Sandifer?

Deacons as a Group

And let these (deacons) also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless. 1 Timothy 3:10

Deacon's Wives or "Deaconess"

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Even so must their (deacons?) wives (gune g1135) be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things. 1 Timothy 3:11 (wives NIV, KJV, NKJV, LIV, NAS, NSV)

Each Deacon One sober Wife

Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife (gune g1135), ruling their children and their own houses well. 1 Timothy 3:12

But translators don't agree. If the deacons became Phoebe's then they would be "on the road again" and not debating the color of the garbage cans and soap dishes. You will notice that the quotes are alway from the band of men dedicated to "a wider role for women and instrumental music" who came forth from the earth recently:

Gordon Fee: "Since there was no word in Greek for 'deaconess' (better 'woman helper' as GNB), it is likely that 'women' here would have been understood to mean women who served the church in some capacity." Gordon Fee (on 1 Tim. 3:11)

See more Gordon Fee from Christianity Today

To learn more about those teachings, 375 men and women, most of them evangelicals (a lot of them Southern Baptists) flocked to the annual conference in Dallas. They took in the sessions and workshops that expounded the biblical passages often used to support the hierarchical/ complementarian gender structures, as well as some of the 100 Bible verses that support women's ministry; they received advice on egalitarian marriage and gender exactness in Bible translations. The words of biblical scholars such as Gordon D. Fee and Catherine Clark Kroeger soothed the wounds of many women who for too long were taught that God didn't want them to use the gifts he apparently gave them. Tears of hurt, freedom, and worship flowed spontaneously.

CBE is just a phase. I've heard it said that the egalitarian stance is just another fad in church history. But while CBE is relatively new (growing in influence since its incorporation in 1988), functional egalitarians, such as deaconess Phoebe (Romans 16:1), Priscilla who taught Apollos "the way of God" (Acts 18:26), Corrie Ten Boom and Salvation Army cofounder Catherine Booth, to name a few, have always been admired for doing the work of the Lord. As the Dallas conference speaker Robin L. Smith has said, the equality of men and women is at the heart of the ongoing work of Christian reconciliation (Gal. 3:26-28). And that's never going away.

As revealed in sermon, a ministry to homosexuals, prostitutes and aids victims is part of the agenda in the Nashville area. When, for instance, you see a full grown man trying to force a mature congregation into hand clapping, waving the hands in the air and falling on the floor you know that something has slipped a gear in the gender machinery.

Therefore, in connection with Gordon Fees assurance to the women the problem arose:

Egalitarians affirm homosexuality. This statement is a cheap shot fired by the complementarian Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood. A news release on its Web site attacks CBE by saying that "no significant middle ground exists"--"one must be in a denomination that affirms the biblical, complementarian view, or one must be in a denomination that makes concessions with homosexuality." This unfair rhetoric runs counter not just to what I saw at the conference, but also to CBE's history. Some CBE founders and its prominent members withdrew membership from the Evangelical Women's Caucus International (EWCI) and decided to form CBE after EWCI presented a resolution recognizing "the presence of the Lesbian minority" in EWCI. "We are accused by more liberal groups of being homophobic," one of CBE's founders, Alvera Mickelsen, told me recently. "You can't win."

Christian women were radically different from the pagan women who so troubled Corinth with uncovered prophesying and speaking magical messages in their old barbarian tongue which had more power.

They best served by being grave (no hand clapping around here), not slanderers, not wine drinkers and totally faithful. Furthermore they could best serve by being silent or sedentary.

Carrol D. Osburn: "Other women in the NT served as 'female deacons.' Deacons, whether male or female, were not officers, but 'designated servants.' Any authority or power attached to the diaconate comes from tradition, not Scripture.

No distinction was made between the service of female and male deacons in earliest Christianity." Carroll D. Osburn

The deacon has the same Biblical authority as the elder. The second part is clearly absurd. We will point you to the Apostolic Constitutions and lots of other historical evidence to show that there was a clear distinction between deacons and women whom we translate "deaconess" but who had no official duty in the operation of a congregation. Post Modernism allows you to make the facts fit the function.

C. Leonard Allen: "Two distinct positions favoring the appointment of deaconesses emerged im the nineteenth-century [Restoration] movement. One position argued for an official order of deaconesses (Campbell, Pendleton, Milligan, and Lard).

We will point you to the documentary evidence below to prove that none of these people saw "official" to mean a female version of the male deacon. If these people remotely believed what they are suggesting to freeze out the deacons, they would time share their "office" of elder or preacher. Fact is, professional preaching is hitching a free ride on the good ship assembly and this writer's experience is that they are ready to squash any contrarian view like a slimy roach.

C. Leonard Allen: The other insisted that there was no official order of deacons or deaconesses but that anyone--male or female--could be appointed by the church for a specific work (Lipscomb, Sewell, and others).

Why are we so sure that Lipscomb would not let a young girl be 'youth minister' or "campus minister" or be instrumental in selecting the next preacher or passing communion or preaching? We just have problems with "proofs" we cannot examine.

Lipscomb did note, along with Paul, that an elder had no more authority after his ordination than he had before. We suggest that C. Leonard Allen and the elders take that into consideration the next time they decide to peer-elect old Gimpy Golfer GoodPay who thinks that God shut Noar in the Ark of the Covenant.

C. Leonard Allen: Neither position carried the day among Churches of Christ in the late nineteenth century.

If you have bad breath or can't find a girlfriend just blame it on the churches of Christ. Why don't our authorities show that no one accepted the deaconess as a female deacon in the history of the church and assuredly not among the groups out of which the RM came. They can, with a straight face but a crooked mind, also claim that churches of Christ divide the church over music when none of the founding groups used music?

C. Leonard Allen: Lipscomb and Sewell's position was steadily supplanted by 'officialism.' The'office' of elder and the'office' of deacon solidified rapidly. But the'office' of deaconess--practiced by some in the early movement and advocated by a good many--virtually vanished." C. Leonard Allen

That is too bad but there is no more repugnant case of this usurping the role of Christ as the Head of the body than to fire the deacons and select their own "special servants" with young women ruling over the flock in one way or another.

Falsely accuse old churches of Christ to shame the "enemy" into opening the gate to let the enemy come in. It is a universal part of the "weapons" of those restructuring the church. Now, look at the facts:

Quotations from the Church Fathers indicate that women may play an active role in the Church and that in the age of the Fathers there were orders of virgins, widows, and deaconesses (all forerunners of modern nuns), but that these positions were not ordained.

Deaconess or Deacon? Among the Episcopals
    The women's ordination movement in the Episcopal Church can be traced back to the 1850's,
when women were first set apart as deaconesses in several dioceses. However, deaconesses were not recognized as "in holy orders" for more than a hundred years, until 1970 - at the General Convention at which women first served as deputies. The transformation of deaconesses into deacons was the result of decades of conversation, studies, reports, declarations, and a little "street theater."
    In 1964, recommendations from a 1934 (!) minority report on deaconesses were put into effect, the most striking of which was a change of terminology, from "set apart" to "ordered." Phyllis Edwards had been set apart by Bishop Pike, the controversial Bishop of California.
The language change led Edwards and Pike to reason that "set apart" deaconesses were now part of the diaconate.
    In early 1965, Pike announced his intention to vest Edwards as a deacon in his diocese. So great was the initial outcry that Pike agreed to delay the service until after the House of Bishops' meeting in early September. There, addressing questions raised by the Deaconess Edwards affair, the bishops decided deaconesses were "ordered" and received an "indelible character" but they were not to distribute bread or wine at the Eucharist. So was she or wasn't she a deacon?
    The bishops approved a liturgy for "making deaconesses, similar to the prayer book service for "making deacons."
The next week, Pike used parts of that service to invest Phyllis Edwards with the traditional deacon's stole and copy of the Gospels. With considerable fanfare, she was added to the diocesan clergy records - to the dismay of many who feared this was the female camel's nose in the tent of the male-only ordained ministry.

So always look for motives, motives, motives when those taking an unlawful salary from churches of Christ have risen like a flock of locusts from the ground, finally hatched, to eat up their paymaster.

And, no one ever advocated the deaconess as an official. Therefore, there never was anything to vanish as the pro deaconess clan keep insisting on.

Aren't we ever so lucky that we can actually read the very words of the Restoration Leaders. In refuting Rubel Shelly's position that women can do everything apparently but preach and pastor (the very words included in the definition of the deacon) we have collected some of the material. You don't have to take quotes from quotes from quotes to make a "sowing discord" decision but you can read for yourself. Just Click Here.

Thomas Campbell identified them as officials.

J. W. McGarvey noted that "the attempt to revive the office in our modern churches has not as yet met with any marked success."

W. K. Pendleton "Campbell treated the office of Deacon as official but then notes that: In the discharge of this duty there would, necessarily, arise cases in which men could not, with propriety, act; especially in a country, like the East,

where the social intercourse between the sexes was restricted by so many forms; and, therefore, we find that into this order females were introduced

But besides this,-the most important and honorable part of the deacon's duties,-they are to serve the church in its puplic [sic] worship, ministering upon the Lord's table, attending to the current expenses, and other secular interests essential to the good order and comfort of the body.

These duties,-the nature of the office, the example of the Synagogue, and the history of apostolic usage designate as incumbent upon the deacons.

3rd. Besides Deacons, every church should have Deaconesses, whose duty it is to perform such offices as cannot be so well performed by deacons, and especially such to females,

as could not with delicacy and propriety be laid upon the deacons. This both Scripture and decency require. W. K. P.

Walter Scott identifies the sewing circle as deaconesses.

In another note, Campbell restricted the role of women servants: "He assumed that the women deacons administered church resources to poor women and widows,

where propriety would not permit men into the women's quarters to attend to the needs of women." Campbell apparently never provided exegesis for his opinions.

First Deaconess 1969 Baptists

At the annual meeting, "Mrs. F. Burnham", an English immigrant who was baptised in October 1952, was elected onto the board as "deaconess". For the first time in the history of the church a woman had been elected onto the board.

Throughout church history he ancient scholars who made the office official and then disbanded it understood that Deaconess applied to the widows as Johnson notes as he quotes Paul:

Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore (60) years old, having been the wife of one man, 1Tim 5:9

(She was a mininister in that she was): Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed the saints feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work. 1Tim 5:10

This was the meaning of the Deaconess in the brief historical brushes with the "offices" and the understanding of the "wives or women" who are not called Deaconesses by Paul

You can call them deaconesses if you wish but she had better be a widow pledged not to marry over 60 or a perpetual virgin once called deaconess but noted to be nuns. If you allow the elders to "use" you in this unscriptural and discord sowing way they you are participants with them in their games.

There still is no authority for what is being done and the authority from "doctors of the law" should remind you that Jesus fired the doctors of the law because "they take away the key to knowledge."

So, do it bu grasp that the watching world is laughing at your "scholarship" and Jesus is spitting you out of His mouth for deliberately and with a high hand sowing discord just becasue "we got tired of the Bible and decided to change it."

Didn't someone warn that "women and children will rule over you?"

Reviewed by Request by Kenneth Sublett

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