False Prophets / False Christs / False Apostles

For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. 1 Corinthians 2:2

That does not mean just PREACH Christ and Him crucified: it means to PRACTICE and suffer just like Christ. That eleminates Shelly's Located Missionaries.

The High Church insanity that each CULTURE gets a chance to Partner with God to get a new set of Scripture (Rubel Shelly) in Partnership with God was often proposed but NEVER approved as valid for any body of the protestant church.

Because John does not mention Jesus going to Jerusalem he concludes that John is not trustworthy. Because he sees the Apostles as engaged in warfare, the epistles have fallen into disrespect. Because Heisenberg noted that you cannot shoot a sub-atomic particle at another without MOVING it to another position, THAT means that our eyes have evolved so that a text Jesus may have handled is NOT understandable by modern eyes. That is about as sane as saying that you cannot predict where a missle is going to land because the radar you SHOOT at it changes its direction. That is the OLD idea that we SEE by shooting something out from our eyes. After 2000 years not even the words of Jesus have survived. HOWEVER, don't dispair, Shelly and York claim that Jesus had lots of SURPLUS words which they writers could not FIT into the OLDEN Bible. However, NOW we can HEAR those words, yea even audibly.

See Don Finto and Rubel Shelly on the God-Selected Apostles, prophets and evangelists.

"God did not give eternal truths, but granted communication.... God's revelation involved limitations.... Biblical revelation is not absolute and all divine revelation is essentially incarnational.... Even if a truth is given only in words, it has no real validity until it has been translated into life. Only then does the Word of Life become life to the receptor. The words are in a sense nothing in and of themselves.... the word is void unless related to experience" (Nida, Message and Mission, p. 221-228, New York: Harper & Row, 1960).

However: A.W. Tozer on Nida: "It is a grave responsibility that a man takes upon himself when he seeks to edit out of God's Self-revelation such features as he in his ignorance deems objectionable."

J.H.Garrison: "There is God and Jesus: all the rest is opinion."

Alfred T. DeGroot: Those who use the Bible "as it has been taught" are defined as SECTARIANS or CULTS while those who are HIGH CHURCH (Catholic) are called CHURCHES.

Rubel Shelly: There are seven facts about Jesus: all the rest is muddled apostolic opinion.

A person hired to teach the DISCIPLINE OF HOMER would be defined as a traitor if he rewrote Homer or tool every opportunity to tell those who hire him that nothing Homer wrote is worth of being studied.

Christianity is not a religion but a DISCIPLINE: 'Go make disciples, NOT, go make ritualists." Therefore, those whorepudiate the only Christian documents for 2,000 years are anti-Christian by definition.

Therefore, our reviews are not personal attacks but represent the BIBLE BELIEVER'S rebuttal of those who have MOVED BEYOND the Bible.

Did Paul not teach more than two facts about Jesus? Was this the CORE gospel? No. To know Christ is defined by other verses:

> And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you; 1Th.5:12
> In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 Thess 1:8
> I thank my God alway on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ; 1 Cor 1:4
........... That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge; 1 Cor 1:5
........... ........... Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you: 1 Cor 1:6

> For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom,
........... but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world,
........... and more abundantly to youward. 2 Co.1:12

> Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Re.1:2

> And the serpent cast out of his mouth water (Latter Rain?) as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. Rev 12:15

And the earth holpen the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. Rev 12:16

And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and

went to make war (polemos or polemical battle of words) with the remnant
(remaining few)
of her seed
which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Re.12:17 (martyrs)

Therefore KNOWING GOD and preaching or obeying THE GOSPEL are not the same things. Someone is close to fooling someone. The Bible is given to be taught and not obsoleted and replaced by the sold sermons of latter-day apostles.

And your Armageddon might already have been fought and you lost if you believe and defend the notion that Christ the Spirit was unable to deliver and protect the Word of God!

Here is the unforgivable sin!

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift,

and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, Heb 6:4
And have tasted the
good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, Heb 6:5

If they shall fall away, (impossible) to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Heb 6:6

For the earth which drinketh in the rain (the WORD) that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: Heb 6:7

But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. Heb 6:8

It is a dangerous thing to fall under the sermonizing of one who claims that the Word of God was forgotten because the apostles decided that Jesus hadn't leveled with them. Then, when they needed the poorly-remembered accounts, they sifted them through philosophy and arrived as, say, the Gospel of John based on their own personal agenda.

This TYPE appears in Isaiah 5 where God's VINEYARD is stolen by those preaching wine, women and song. Music is the universal cause and MARK on those who reject the Word in favor of "holy entertainment."

However, knowing about the "many" trying to get a bit of the "action" in the new churches, Paul baited a FALSE TEACHER TRAP. That is, Paul showed us how to detect false prophets, false Christs or false apostles:

AND I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. 1 Corinthians 2:1

Declaring means "preaching." Declaring the testimony of God begins in Genesis 1:1. Therefore, it is difficult to understand Paul's "preaching" unless you grasp that much of it is commentary on Old Testament writings.

And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. 1 Corinthians 19:10

>John began his gospel with "in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God."

>However, the peddlers of the CORE discredit John by claiming that he just made up his account with a bit of help from the Spirit or "enlightenment." John then "read back" the LOGOS concept into His account even though he knew that it appears in Genesis.

>"Therefore, to preach Christ we don't have to begin at the beginning as John did." However, that is where Peter began and that is where Stephen began. Christ and Him crucified means nothing without the "first chapter" beginning in Genesis.

Knowing Christ and Him crucified is not all that Paul taught but he meant that "I did not come with excellency of speech." That is, Paul knew Christ and he could not therefore try to be a super speaker. This would defeat the Word of Christ.

Therefore, the CORE peddlers have to repudiate the "fear and trembling and ready to suffer and die concept of KNOWING CHRIST and just make up their own new GOSPEL which gives them more authority to alter God's Word than Christ the Son had. As you listen try to see them like my cats as they silently steal in for the kill of an animal and you will see wolves trying not to alarm the lambs they intend to have for lunch.

The two waring views of the Bible keeps the people's eyes off Christ and His Word.

9) "The controversy over resurrection, then, proved critical in shaping the Christian movement into an institutional religion. All Christians agreed in principle that only Christ himself - or God - can be the ultimate source of spiritual authority.
........... But the immediate question, of course, was the practical one:
........... Who, in the present, administers that authority?

Valentinus and his followers answered:
........... "Whoever comes into direct, personal contact with the "living One."

They argued that only one's own experience offers the ultimate criterion of truth, taking precedence over all secondhand testimony and all traditions - even gnostic tradition!

They celebrated every form of creative invention as evidence that a person has become spiritually alive.

On this theory, the structure of authority can never be fixed into an institutional framework: it must remain spontaneous, charismatic, and open.

Those who rejected this theory argued that all future generations of Christians must trust the apostles' testimony - even more than their own experience.

For, as Tertullian admitted, whoever judges in terms of ordinary historical experience would find the claim that a man physically returned from the grave to be incredible. Whatever can never be proven or verified in the present, Tertullian says, "must be believed, because it is absurd."

Since the death of the apostles, believers must accept the word of the priests and bishops, who have claimed, from the second century, to be their only legitimate heirs." pages 25 -26 of Elaine Pagel, Gnostic Gospels

But, by firing the doctors of the law who "took away the key to knowledge" Jesus left the writings avaliable to be read, taught and meditated on. This, as Peter insists, will cause the Morning Star to rise in our hearts if we don't "cut and paste" the words to destroy the Spirit power Christ put into them.

The Judas Goat and the black sheep work in the world to make sure that the sheep get fleeced, the flesh consumed and the lambs feed the shepherds.

On the other hand, Jesus and Paul insists that the shepherds work to feed the flock!

As the Charismatic, latter day prophets do battle with the High Priests of the once-revealed Word, we should be totally aware that they are both on the same side. Both are involved in stealing the FREE WATER OF THE WORD which Christ died to deliver to the world--just once.

That revealed Word is a history of God dealing with mankind: the good, the bad and the ugly. Some of it is to be taken as NEGATIVE patterns: don't insult God with pagan idolatry. Some of it is for positive patterns: teach the Word one to another. However, as the history of a nation gives us the spirit or mental disposition of the nation, the Word is to be read, taught and meditated upon to imbibe the "Spirit" or Mind of God.

Our minds or spirits and even our physical brains grow and develop into a pattern based upon every word or concept which we feed into it. If we tell it that the Bible is a pack of bad memories then we repudiate the CORE Christian evidence and build on the sand.

To take the peddlers out of the process, Christ died to give us the Holy Spirit as His Mind in His inspired Word: as we give heed to it (one of the clear "worship" words) our minds are conformed to the image of Christ's Mind.

And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. 2 Peter 1:18

We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 2 Peter 1:19

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 2 Peter 1:20

> Only by repudiating Peter as inspired can we presume to peddle pagan, musical or rhetorical performance as "worship." Giving heed means worship and theatrical performance intends to prevent you from doing what Peter demanded. Giving heed in Greek:

Proserchomai (g4334) pros-er'-khom-ahee; from 4314 and 2064 (includ. its alt.); to approach, i.e. (lit.) come near, visit, or (fig.) worship, assent to: - (as soon as he) come (unto), come thereunto, consent, draw near, go (near, to, unto).

We worship whatever or whomever we "give attention to." Theatrical performers know that they are stealing the worship away from God and that is the original sin for Satan.

> To guard the process, Paul insisted that there is no clergy class which can be tolerated as "mediators of the Word" between Christ the Spirit and the "audience." His "Knowing Christ" meant that true ministers must be allowed to go out.

This means that YOU cannot survive the Spiritual Sword of God if you make it your profession to extract the CORE or further explain the Spirit of God rather than taking the Word into the world. Interpretation means:

Epilusis (g1955) ep-il'-oo-sis; from 1956; explanation, i.e. application: - interpretation.

Epiluo (g1956) ep-ee-loo'-o; from 1909 and 3089; to solve further, i.e. (fig.) to explain, decide: - determine, expound.

But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples. Mark 4:34

The CORE peddlers must repudiate the entire Bible as inspired because the message is of a vocational ministry. If you needed any more proof then Peter claims that a FURTHER EXPOUNDER is a supernatural sign that you have been invaded.

> Why you must repudiate both sides of the army of Satan who have said: "The kingdom is over here and if you want 'truth' and 'worship' we have it for sale.

For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 2 Peter 1:21

But, we have a way of making an OUTLAWED "office" into an ABSOLUTE DEMAND. Here is the way we do it: "The Holy Spirit DIDN'T REALLY inspire the Bible. So, you must trust me to do what HE failed to do."

If the CORE "feeders on the flock" are correct, then Peter is just trying to validate his own writings because he was totally deceived by Christ whose kingdom has not even now come.

Jesus defined the Devil as a liar because "he speaks on his own." Therefore, the peddlers of the CORE accuse Peter of being a liar and a devil.

> If you believe Peter, however, he has just shown you why you must get the hireling shepherds who believe only the CORE out of your sheepfold before they consume all of the sheep.

BUT there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying [contradicting Jesus] the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 Peter 2:1

And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 2 Peter 2:2

And through covetousness shall they with feigned (molded plastic) words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 2 Peter 2:3

This is the unforgivable sin!

The Bible does not treat the fallen angels as a myth. Rather, Jesus, Peter and Jude refer to the Book of Enoch who shows how the Devil and his fallen angels (false prophets, false apostles) still have their SECOND INCARNATION in men who can repudiate the Word and still be applauded by admiring men and get paid for denying the CORE Christian document. Jesus called them a "den of vipers" and claimed that they were "sons of their father, the Devil."

The certain sign which you can use is: "They speak on their own."

So, false prophets and false Christs are not just mistaken: they have their own agenda to destroy Christ by destroying His Word.

Because a FRONTAL ATTACK AGAINST JESUS would backfire, they leave the "little token Jesus, meek and mild" in as the CORE but then build their false dogma in direct contradiction to the writers of the New Testament.

Be warned: anyone who has undergone an experience of dissociation or temporary schizophrenia, may have the hands of beloved friends laid on them. They may be induced to speak in tongues or be affirmed as a latter day prophet or even the 13th apostle. His success at selling his experience then confirms his delusion and he may truly believe that he is God or a new Christ.

Once, you know the truth, according to Paul to the Hebrews, and then fall back into pagan superstition or legalism, you have committed the unforgivable sin. No objective words on paper will ever again be able to compete with your subjective experience and you have fallen and you will never get up.

That is the meaning of "fallen angels": once enlightened, fell through their own glory, never able to come to repentance. Thereafter, God plugs the ears and blinds the eyes.

Do you begin to see why the writers of the New Testament must be made into people with false memories, false motives and a personal agenda must be discredited just at the time when the whole concept of "mega-mega-churches" with dominant pastors and "staff infection" is finally being found out?

Mel White author of Deceived, says:

He knew how to inspire hope. He was committed to people in need; He counseled prisoners and juvenile delinquents. He started a job placement center; He opened rest homes and homes for the retarded; He had a health clinic; He organized a vocational training center; He provided free legal aid; He founded a community center; He preached about God. He even claimed to cast out demons, do miracles and heal.

His name was Jim Jones. Abbadon or Apollyon or Satan himself, built one of the grandest Seeker Centers.

He is not interested in going out and preaching the whole counsel of God but his entire Socialistic or Communistic system is him "speaking on his own." He has committed literal or spiritual suicide and he must carry his flock with him to validate himself even into hell itself.

They are out of the earth like locusts consuming everything in their path but only for a short season.

If they cannot quickly transform their churches or synagogues into theaters as "venue for Rock and Roll" and other "holy entertainment" they will be on wellfare and given a bill for fleecing the flock with no more Biblical mention than the warning about "hireling shepherds."

Therefore, they are turned loose for a short season to rescue themselves by convincing you to turn your church into an end-time oracle selling the lust of the eye, the lust of the flesh or the lust of the ears.

Here are several statements of the CORE GOSPEL.

People have differing motives for the urge to get the Bible off their backs so, as one brother put it, they can "move on." Some are good, some are bad and some are ugly. Whatever their motive it is possible that they are just parroting the latest theology which rises like a plague out of seminars and college class rooms. Therefore, we will allow various writers to speak for themselves.

However, be warned that there is not a "left wing core" and a "right wing core." All human organizations give rise for a narrowly-drawn list of "important facts" which leaves the "entire counsel of God" untaught and therefore unable to do the work God put into His counsel.

The New Testament message is of a people "synagoguing" or schooling and not of a pagan worship center for any one's pyramid of power actually a plague of "staff infection."

Martin Luther wrote

Reason knows nothing about the wretchedness of depraved nature. It does not recognize the fact that no man is able to keep God's commandments; that all are under sin and condemnation; and that the only way whereby help could be received was for God to give his Son for the world, ordaining another ministration, one through which grace and reconciliation might be proclaimed to us. Now, he who does not understand the sublime subject of which Paul speaks cannot but miss the true meaning of his words.

How much more did we invite this fate when we threw the Scriptures and Saint Paul's epistles under the bench, and, like swine in husks,

wallowed in man's nonsense! Therefore, we must submit to correction and learn to understand the apostle's utterance aright.

Rubel Shelly believes and teaches:

Here is what God wants churches passionate about:
(1) "For God so loved the world that he gave his
one and only Son,
that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" (John 3:16).

(But: The Israelites had to "look upon" the serpet) John 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

(3) "Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ" (Acts 2:36).

(But:Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.)

(4) "But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: (5) While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (6) Since we have now been justified by his blood, (7) how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through him!" (Rom. 5:8-9).

(But: Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.)

These are the essentials of Christian faith. It is this core message about Jesus that we share
........... in common with other
........... Bible-believing, cross-proclaiming, resurrection-confessing, born-again persons
........... that constitutes us a church.

Outside the essence of the gospel,

there are other features that reflect our history and consensus interpretations of the larger biblical message.

When the kingdom did not come as Christ promised those who wrote the Bible went their own ways. John, for instance, hooked up with a Greek philosopher and borrowed the LOGOS concept and used it to explain Jesus Christ. However, either unknown or ignored is the fact that the LOGOS concept begins where John places it: in Genesis. Too bad that scholars miss the fact that DABAR is the Hebrew word.

Rubel Shelly: seems to agree with those of whom he writes:

They had to strain the story of Jesus through philosophical sieves. They had to create and clarify special terms. They made entrance into their circles a matter of "enlightenment" as reflected in peculiar vocabulary and interpretations.

In the meanwhile, the core gospel has survived two millennia now in its narrative form of telling the big story through collections of little ones about Jesus.

Notice that:

The little stories were strained through the Shelly Sifter of philosophy and the Bible writer's personal agenda: these are not TRUTH as the Gospel is TRUTH. The methods of John and the Gnostics are not much different: therefore, as the Gnostics SIFTED so did John.

The Big Story or the CORE GOSPEL has survived through these little stories.

Our conclusion: The CORE is no more reliable than the sum of its parts: why should we trust Rubel Shelly's CORE GOSPEL as the TRUTH?

Dr. Shelly defines the narrative form as writers taking the literature and constructing a narrative for their own time, place, theological agenda and by sifting in Greek philosophy.

"This "core gospel" has been the subject of much discussion. A British theologian of the Church of England by the name of C. H. Dodd (1930's) has written extensively on the theory (an avowed modernist, he denied the inspiration of the Bible). His views have been carried into the mainstream of Protestant religious thought and, to one extent or another, into the thinking of some brethren.

Carl Ketcherside, for one, accepted his definition of a "core gospel"
changed his religious views to accommodate it.

Ketcherside was considered a maverick in his early preaching and writing days but lived long enough to see his views gain popularity. In (Bill) Love's book, this "core gospel" achieves a status of scholarship (in some circles).

"Dodd maintained that the original disciples who heard Jesus speak and who later became disciples

did so with the anticipation of an immediate return of Jesus while they lived.

When Jesus did not immediately return, they began to memorize the sayings of Jesus and formed a primitive catechism to preserve these sayings (he did not believe in plenary inspiration).

Later disciples, including Luke, Paul and Peter, incorporated these catechisms into their writings

as they attempted to explain within doctrinal and moral instructions why Jesus delayed His coming.

This is identical to Rubel Shelly's Narrative Theology. You begin with lots of recorded fragments none of which are inspired. However, the writers of the Bible pieced these fragments together and sifted them through Greek philosophy to meet the needs of their own agenda.

However, out of this sifting process, by some kind of accident the Core gospel survived.

But the whole is no more inspired than its individual pieces. According to Rubel Shelly, the record is so useless that he sees John sifting in Greek philosophy and read the Logos idea back into the gospel account of John.

The fact that Genesis begins to speak of the Dabar as the personification of the Word of God does not matter: our CORE religion out of Greek and pagan philosophy insists that OUR system gave rise to the LOGOS or DABAR concept.

To Dodd, these original sayings of Jesus (which had salvation as their theme) were buried in the volume of New Testament writings

but he has determined which they are and these form an original 'kerygma' or evangel (the original gospel that has salvation as its theme).

One should not try to teach this gospel but kerusssein (proclaim, preach it). The doctrinal and moral instruction (law, if you will) should be taught (didaskein), not preached.

From this, one can see clearly the distinction that Dodd has made between gospel and doctrine" (Tom Roberts, Neo-Calvinsim in the Church of Christ, p. 48).

"'The significant features of Dodd's theory which have been described in their developmental sequence are:

  1. In the earliest church a distinct activity called preaching was practiced.
  2. Preaching had a particular content, the kerygma, which was the earliest missionary message of the church.
  3. Fragments of this earliest message are discernible in the written record, Scripture.
  4. Teaching is a second, distinct activity of the early church.
  5. The content of teaching is primarily ethical instruction and exhortation. Its form is derived from Jewish antecedents.
  6. The practice and content of teaching are the product of the evolutionary development of the earliest church as it awaited the second coming of Jesus' (Preaching and Teaching in the Earliest Church, Robert C. Worley, pp. 22, 23)." ibid. p. 51.

"Carl Ketcherside advocated that the "core gospel" "'consisted of the (1) life, (2) death, (3) burial, (4) resurrection, (5) ascension, (6) coronation and (7) glorification of Jesus' (Mission Messenger, Dec., 1972, p. 180)." ibid, p. 53. He also said that "The gospel was proclaimed as fully and completely on the first Pentecost after the resurrection of Jesus as it ever has been, and nothing written later was added to it" (ibid, p. 53).

"Not one apostolic letter is a part of the gospel of Christ...the Roman letter was not a part of the gospel...the letter to the Galatians was not a part of the gospel"

This is more than just a technical definition: because "gospel" is the only thing which counts as the CORE GOSPEL, the rest of the Bible has value but cannot be used to dfine faith and practice. Therefore, everyone has the right to practice whatever they wish because this is not a "salvation issue." However, no one has a right to object because "doctrine" is not a salvation issue. If you let me define the CORE then I am dictator and you are pharisee.

This is also the Leroy Garret teaching as it is enhanced by the Vineyard:

Leroy Garrett stated an earlier pattern:

"This is to say that the gospel is not the whole of the New Testament scriptures,
........... for the gospel was a reality long before the scriptures were written.

Strictly speaking,
........... the teachings of the apostles are not facts, as the gospel is,
........... ........... but interpretations, implications, and edification based on the gospel.
........... In this area, that of the didache (teaching) even the apostles differed in their ideas and emphases.
........... ........... The churches for whom these documents were written were likewise different from each other.

Garrett goes on to define the "gospel" as something revealed but not subject to debate but:

The doctrine allows for debate and dialogue, for intellectual stimulation and the stretching of the mind. It nurtures us in Christ,

but in such a way that each man develops according to his own uniqueness. The pragmatic mind as well as the speculative mind finds food for thought. Its design is (not) to make us all alike in our thinking, but to make us mature in Christ.

So, we have the "oral gospel" which was in effect before the "graphe," and the seven ones defined above are the only things which we can use to accept or reject fellowship.

All of the rest of the Bible is just pre-post-modern understandings of the apostle-prophets opinions or interpretations. That means "uninspired" to this writer.

"'The implications of all this to unity and fellowship are weighty. It means that the gospel itself, not our doctrinal interpretations, is the basis of our being one in Christ and in fellowship with each other.

That is, when one believes in Jesus and obeys him in baptism, he is our brother and in the fellowship

That fellowship is strengthened and made joyful by doctrine, but it is the gospel and not doctrine that determines the fellowship...' (Leroy Garrett, "The Word Abused," Restoration Review, Vol. XVII, No. 3, pp. 42-46)", ibid, pp. 54-55.

Not only the Bible but modern teachers are treated with the same method. Therefore, Alexander Campbell can be twisted to teach salvation by faith only when Alexander Campbell taught just the opposite--if we read Alexander Campbell as Campbell wrote and concluded.

Alfred T. DeGroot DeGroot speaks for the Disciples "high church" notion of the Bible. He identifies a "church" as an institution free to make up its on rules to meet the demands of the times. However, he defines groups which use the Bible for faith and practice as "cults."

"It is one of the insights of devoted biblical scholarship since Thomas Campbell's time
........... to see that loyalty to Jesus Christ
........... ........... takes presendence over and gives meaning to a Christian use of the New Testament.

The New Testament is itself the record of a fellowship
........... created by loyalty to the accepted Messiah an Savior, a fellowship
which transcended
differences of worship methods and ethical interests,
........... so long as an increasing embodiment of the will of Christ
........... was ever the goal of the companions in the Way.

"Peter's and Paul's almost violent divergence on the race problem, John's unique and (as far as the record goes) unshared interest in the theology of pre-existence." ( p. 139) is DeGroot's proof that the New Testament is the result of conflicting apostles and divisive churches.

DeGroot explains why the 99% majority who have always based their view of the Christian Faith on the Teachings of Christ and His empowered Agents as CULTS OR SECTS.

However, those who reject the Bible and depend on some kind of personal revelation from the Spirit are defined as CHURCHES.


J.H.Garrison: "There is God and Jesus: all the rest is opinion."

"This is why Thomas Campbell could say:

"The New Testament is as perfect a constitution for the worship, discipline, and government of the New Testament church, and as a perfect a rule for particular duties of its members, as the Old Testament was for the worship, discipline, and government of the Old Testament Church, and the particular duties of its members."

"Thus there came to be, very early in the career of this movement, interest not only in

(1) Christian unity in a new freedom, but also (defined as 'church')
(2) a return to the doctrine, ordinances, and discipline of the New Testament church." (p. 153) (defined as 'sect')

In 1932, A. W. Fortune says, "The controversies through which the Disciples have passed from the beginning to the present time have been the result of two different interpretations of their mission.

There have been those who believed it is the spirit of the New Testament Church that should be restored, and
........... in our method of working the church must
........... adapt itself to changing conditions.

There have been those who regarded the New Testament Church as a fixed pattern for all time, and our business is to hold rigidly to that pattern regardless of consequences.
........... Because of these two attitudes conflict were inevitable."

"Broadly speaking, it may be said that number

1 above generated the present fellowship called Disciples of Christ, and that number (church)

2 gave rise to the Churches of Christ. (sect)

According to Troeltsch,

Disciples would be among the 'church' type and
Churches of Christ among the
'sect' type.

"By 'church' is meant that body of conceptions which says "From the beginning they have been 'high churchmen'...

because they 'never ceased to stress the visible and corporate character of the Church as the Divine Society,' (with bylaws, a head and ability to adapt to the culture)

and rejected 'legalized methods and structural forms which are a contradiction of the living nature of the church.'

Degroot does the same "narrative theology" on many of the church Fathers. Unfortunately, men like Lactantius who insisted that:

It is not allowable to alter the provisions of this law, nor is it permitted us to modify it, nor can it be entirely abrogated.

Nor, truly, can we be released from this law, either by the senate or by the people;

nor is another person to be sought to explain or interpret it.
Nor will there be one law at Rome and another at Athens; one law at the present time,
another hereafter: but the same law, everlasting and unchangeable, will bind all nations at all times;

and there will be one common Master and Ruler of all, even God, the framer, arbitrator, and proposer of this law;

and he who shall not obey this will flee from himself, and, despising the nature of man,
will suffer the greatest punishments through this very thing, even though he shall have escaped the other punishments which are supposed to exist."

Who that is acquainted with the mystery of God could so significantly relate the law of God, as a man far removed from the knowledge of the truth has set forth that law?

But I consider that they who speak true things unconsciously are to be so regarded as though they prophesied under the influence of some spirit.

But if he had known or explained this also, in what precepts the law itself consisted, as he clearly saw the force and purport of the divine law,

he would not have discharged the office of a philosopher, but of a prophet.
And because
he was unable to do this, it must be done by us, to whom the law itself has been delivered by the one great Master and Ruler of all, God.

The Post-Modern "hermeneutic" of the Latter Rain (or Latter Reign) asks:

Modern Prophets have received "new revelations" of the end-time which, until now, have not been understood by the Church. Truly, a "New Breed" of Apostles and Prophets is being raised up before our very eyes, who will momentarily assume their end-time role of leading the Church to take dominion and to execute God's judgments in the world.

"I have called the best of every blood line in earth unto this generationÉI have elected to bring them forth in this generationÉTHE ELECT GENERATIONÉeven the bloodline of PaulÉof DavidÉof Peter, James and JohnÉThey will even be superior to them in heart, stature and love for me'ÉYour children will possess the spirit without measureÉThey will move into things of the supernatural that no one has ever moved in beforeÉcoming into the DIVINE NATURE of Jesus ChristÉa Church that has reached the full maturity of the GODMAN! This generationÉis going to see the beginning of this WORLD WIDE NEW ORDER."(3)

"Are you having difficulty discerning or receiving this "new revelation"?

Then you have been interpreting your Bible in the "old way,"
comparing Scripture with Scripture, studying diligently to account for every jot and tittle and being careful to rightly divide the Word of truth.

"If this describes you, then you belong to the "Old Generation"

which will not enter in to "possess the land" in the Latter Rain Revival.
You may even be a
member of a denominational church, with its dogmatic confession of faith and statement of doctrine.

These legalistic forms will be relics of the past in the up and coming "Post-denominational Church."

Paul Cain advises that you "dump all that carnal stuff" (doctrine)

and listen to what the "spirit" is saying to the churches through the Latter Rain Prophets and Apostles, who are dispensing many "new, sacred truths.

Are you wondering by what authority the modern Prophets and Apostles presume to confer this Divine Right upon themselves and their followers? Not to worry! Paul Crouch, President of Trinity Broadcasting Network, has provided the following exegesis of Jesus' parable:

"Read the parable of the Wheat and the Tares in Matthew 13:24-30 and you will see that at the end of this age the "ANGELS" are sent forth to remove evil from the earth. That word "ANGELS" also means messengers. So God may use some of us to finish up the work of this age."(4)

Those who would be chosen as the elect Manifest Sons of God by the modern Apostles and Prophets, must first repent of their old divisive attitude of separation from error. Christ cannot incarnate a divided church -- therefore we will need to be delivered from our narrow doctrinal point of view and join the ecumenical crowd on the Broad Way (to destruction). It matters not that the blood of the martyrs was shed contending for the faith that was once delivered to the saints.

Those who persist in being contentious about doctrine may join them when the great "revival" arrives circa A.D. 2000.

Myths and Old Wives' Tales

Let's now consider how Bloesch actually handles the Word of God, and see which passages are not for him because he cannot make them fit. On the last page of A Theology of Word and Spirit Bloesch argues that the claims of Christianity are true because they are grounded in "events that really happened" and that their credibility is confirmed in the hearts of believers by the Spirit of God "through the ages where the Bible is read and believed and where faith is proclaimed in fidelity and love." Which are the "events that really happened"? Does he refer to the events recorded in Scripture? The temptation of Adam and Eve? The tower of Babel? The flood? The miraculous crossing of the Red Sea? The angelic destruction of the army of Assyrians described in 2 Kings 19? Apparently not, according to Bloesch's elaboration in Holy Scripture.

These biblical accounts are all partly mythological, possibly having some relationship to a distant historical event, but surely colored by the now defunct world-views of the various authors of Scripture (see his chapter "The Bible & Myth," pp. 255-277). What, then, does Bloesch mean when he piously refers in the conclusion of his first volume to those who throughout church history have "read and believed the Bible"? Does Bloesch really mean to commend those who read the Bible and believe it? Believe what? The events recorded in it? Just how much of the Bible is to be believed anyway? Are the miracles and words of Christ historically accurate? Shall we believe the stories in the early chapters of Genesis? Jeffrey J. Meyers Critique

Theological Divide

In Christianity and Barthianism Van Til calls attention to one of Klass Schilder's central concerns in his critique of Barth: "...the deepest line of division in theology lies at the point where some believe and others do not believe in Scripture as a direct revelation of God. And with it goes the fact that those who believe in Scripture at the same time and in the same act of believing hold to direct, factual revelation of God through Christ in history." Bloesch makes it abundantly clear in chapter three, "The Meaning of Revelation," which side of the divide he is on. Consider these statements:

  1. "The law and the Gospel cannot be equated with objective propositions either in the creeds of the church or in Holy Scripture."
  2. "God's revelation is his commandment and his promise. . . . Yet they cannot be confined to what is objectively written."
  3. "We cannot hold the Word of God in our hands or in our minds. . ."
  4. "I hold that the Word of God or the truth of revelation is embedded in Scripture. . ."
  5. "Yet our final authority is not what the Bible says but what God says in the Bible.... Indeed, some things that his [God's] witnesses say [the prophets and apostles speaking in Scripture] fall short of the full picture that God invites us to see."
  6. "Against later orthodoxy and fundamentalism, I hold that the words of the Bible are revelatory but not revealed; they conform to the revelation and convey the revelation through the Spirit. The propositions in the Bible are the result of revelation, the concrete embodiment of revelation and the vehicle of revelation."
  7. "Scripture is one step removed from revelation."
  8. "The Bible participates in the transcendent Word of God-not directly but through the Spirit of God."
  9. "If the biblical text were itself revelation, then human reason could directly apprehend and even critique the Word of God."
  10. "It should be readily apparent that my stand is in contradiction to a biblicism that bases the authority of the Bible on its divine perfection as a supernatural book.?

Compare Bill Bright's Four Spiritual Laws. He left out a few also.

1. God loves you:
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life" (John 3:16).
2. Man is sinful and separated from God.
"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Rom. 3:23); "For the wages of sin is death" (Rom. 6:23);

"But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God"
(Isaiah 59:2).
3. Jesus Christ is God's only provision for man's sin.
"I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me" (John 14:6); "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" (Rom. 5:8)
4. We must individually receive Jesus as Savior and Lord.
"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name" (John 1:12);
"if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved" (Rom. 10:9);
"For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God" (Eph. 2:8).
Ephesians has a FIRST HALF that the preachers of the ancient Pagan baptism MISSED. Paul shows that we are raised up with Christ using language identical to his baptism passages. Therefore, as the Lord's Supper shows forth the Death of Christ UNTIL HE RETURNS, Paul in Ephesians 2 proves that baptism as the SHOWING ACT down through time of HOW God extends slavation by grace through faith.

by Dennis Downing

"For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified." (1 Corinthians 2:2 RSV)

In the world in which we live, a lot of people are interested in what feels relevant, seems "politically correct" or has a valid ring to it. Few are interested in the truth. But a lot of those same people are desperately seeking truth in a relationship. They want someone, at least one person to whom they can turn who will not turn away.

That is why the Gospel points not to an idea but to a person, not to a truth but to The Truth. Jesus proved he was true to me when he died in my place.

Jesus proved he was the true way when he came back from the dead.
........... When you really come to know Jesus and him crucified --you know all you need to know.
........... You have come to know the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but that truth will satisfy.

Key Quote: "Paul was not given a message or a doctrine to proclaim, he was brought into a vivid, personal, overmastering relationship to Jesus Christ. Verse 16 [Acts 26:16] is immensely commanding--"o make thee a minister and a witness."

But: Till I come, give attendance to (public) reading, to exhortation, to doctrine. 1 Tim 4:13. Paul DID NOT say that he was going to PREACH only Christ and Him Crucified. How could Dennis get PAID if that is all he PREACHED. Paul said that he would KNOW. That means that he suffered just like Jesus Christ as he DID PREACH baptism.

Of course, we miss the point that Paul stopped there because the Corinthians were still carnal confirmed by their composing their own songs and speeches.

In Narrative Theology, John York and Rubel Shelly would take the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai which lost Israel God's Covenant of Grace and had Him turn them over to worship the starry host (Acts 7), have its second incarnation as a pattern for Christian worship and community.

See Dennis Downing on Just Jesus

"Liberal literary criticism allows each community the right to re-write Scripture. The canon (not necessarily of biblical texts, but at least in the meanings of those texts) is not closed. [We believe that this is the meaning of being Post-Modern or Post-Denominational]

"It is difficult to know whether Fish intended this as a by-product, but the idea of authority resting in the interpretive community gave rise to narrative theology -- a theology which simply affirms a given community's right to come up with its own interpretation, or to "write" its own new biblical text.  Narrative theology gave rise to various narrative communities-- hence, the arrival of liberation and feminist theologies.

"Narrative theology does not recognize any absolute truth or meaning in a text.  Because Buber is the founder, most narrative theology, especially in Jewish circles, is related to Auschwitz."

"And, what is the purpose of reading texts, for narrative theologians? Why, of course, to affirm the self. Hazards in the Mainline.

Liberation Theology: A movement that attempts to unite theology with social and religious concerns about oppression. It finds expressions among blacks, feminists, Asians, Hispanics, and Native Americans, but it is most closely identified with the shift toward Marxism among Roman Catholic theologians and priests in Latin America.

Most traditional doctrines of Christianity are de-emphasized or reinterpreted. Jesus and the Bible are defined and interpreted in light of a class struggle,

with the gospel seen as a radical call to activism (or even revolution) promoting political and social answers usually in the form of classic Communism.

That is the meaning of Community Church. And this explains why modern seeker forms of religion try to reconstruct the Tower of Babel or Apollo's (Abbadon, Apollyon) Oracle which involves the pyramidal system of "ministries" to try to control the entire lives of people.

God left us free to believe whatever we wish. However, the Christian Religion is totally informed by the Old and New Testaments as a history of God's dealing with mankind. It is also an experession of His will about how we live right and practice social justice.

The apostles treat the "word" as that to which we "give heed" as a clearly-defined act of worship: we worship whatever or whomever we give attention to. If we give attention to human performance then we are engaged in "the idolatry of talent."

To repudiate the enlightment of the Word and turn away is treated by Paul as unpardonable because we cannot live by what we do not trust. And to repudiate the Apostles as inspired is based on repudiating the mission of Christ to establish a spiritual kingdom. Therefore, if the writings of the apostles are "narrated memories" or fitting the lost "fragments" to their own agenda, then the CORE GOSPEL rescued from a failed document is to repudiate Christ Himself Who, as Spirit, promised to guide the writers into all truth.

This is an anti-Christian view.

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