A Pixel in a Greater Picture: The Emerging Church of Christ: CRITIQUED Fred Peatross, forward by Edward Fudge. Hand Clapping is always a show of contempt for man or God, or applause to God for permitting the Jews to put their feet on the necks of the Gentiles. When people fail, they fall back to the archaic. In this case, musical worship comes from the Towers of Babylon. Hand clapping is body drumming.
Some leading misleaders about MUSIC in worship.
Isaiah 25, Isa 25: Isaiah Chapter 25: The branch of the terrible one is a song to be accompanied with instrumental music.
1. Tom Burgess in Documents on Instrumental Music reviewed. Psallo and Instrumental Music: Proofs do not prove anything but the "music-homosexuality" connection. See more on Strabo's definition of the worship of Apollo or Abaddon or Apollyon: his MUSES are the locusts or musical performers in the book of revelation.
2. Tom Burgess More Review of Plutarch: if Psallo authorizes "church music" it authorizes a homosexual gathering.
3. Tom Burgess on Moralia confirms the "Music-Heresy-Perversion" connection which has no historical exception. 10/20/04
4. Tom Burgess on John Chrysostom: are the anti-instrumentalists ignorant rurals? 10/21/04 What about Paul and Martin Luther and John Calvin and Zwingli and--everyone who believed the Bible as authority.
Fred Peatross: The Church as Spectacle The emerging church sounds strangely like that at the towers of Babylon, neo-paganism and even witchcraft.
There is not requirement to give to or associate with or "become friends with sinners." God is against the Seeker Centers:
Give to the godly man, but do not help the sinner. Ecclu 12: 4.
Do good to the humble, but do not give to the ungodly; hold back his bread, and do not give it to him,
lest by means of it he subdue you;
for you will receive twice as much evil for all the good which you do to him. Ecclu 12: 5.
Who will pity a snake charmer (flute player) bitten by a serpent, or any who go near wild beasts? Ecclu 12:13.
So no one will pity a man who associates with a sinner and becomes involved in his sins. Ecclu 12: 14.
He will stay with you for a time, but if you falter, he will not stand by you. Ecclu 12: 15.
They will surely show contempt and pour out God's judgment against your foolishness by clapping their hands!
When you use the sinners means to attract sinners be warned that the sinners will grasp you by your heels and defeat you because you were not under the blood of Jesus:
An enemy will speak sweetly with his lips,
but in his mind he will plan to throw you into a pit;
an enemy will weep with his eyes,
but if he finds an opportunity his thirst for blood will be insatiable. Ecclu 12: 16.
- If calamity befalls you, you will find him there ahead of you;
- and while pretending to help you,
- he will trip you by the heel; Ecclu 12: 17.
- he will shake his head,
- and clap his hands,
- and whisper much,
- and change his expression. Ecclu 12: 18.
Clapping never caused a probem. Rather, music, dancing and clapping (buffonery) was the MARK of God's wrath being poured out.
Fred's Book is an honest presentation of what the emerging church of Christ has become in some areas. Fred e-mailed me a copy of this chapter and I have reviewed it based on how hand clapping is seen in the Bible and history and it does not reflect on Fred's vision of a new form of worship. The book is well written, concise and defines the rise of a new form of "worship" to replace the church as synagogue or school.
I bought it and it is very precise and will not offend those who see themselves as charismatic.
We have looked at the Emerging Church which must take seriously the fleshly use of images, aound and vizualization. This is proposed as Worship as a Spectacle. We will comment on some of chapter 32. In addition, we will look at the Pharisees charge that Jesus was a glutton and a wine drinker.
We respectufully submit that this was what the Jews accused Jesus of but Jesus very pictorially called them liars. However, we understand that this is a popular way of interpreting Jesus as "all things to all people." We believe that it is wrong.
We try not to be too judgmental with Post Moderns because their Bible is not our Bible and consequently John Locke would say that their religion is not our religion. Therefore, their church of Christ is not our church of Christ. Ours emerged in the first century and has always been identifed as belonging ot Christ.
Short version Review: Clapping hands is a way to show contempt for the looser. It is not possible to "give heed" or Worship God in the spirit while giving heed to our carnal senses.
Lifting "holy" hands is always a preamble to "giving heed" to the word, commandments or oracle of God. One lifts the hands, palm up, as if reading the Word written on the palm. David "lifts my hands to your commandment."
The man is qualified to hear the Spirit or Mind of Christ by having holy hands to lift up. To encourage people with "unholy hands" to lift them to the musical performers is anti-scriptural.
The woman is qualified by her dress and spiritual disposition to pray.
Both male and female offer their own prayers: no one can "lead" another in personal prayers.
The priestly duty which required "holy hands" was teaching: the woman was not part of this public teaching. The instructions to Timothy was to "give attendance to the public reading of the word, to exhortation to doctrine."
Both male and female meditated on this reading as necessary to the learning (as opposed to just hearing) the message. That is, they "sang and made melody in the heart" as IN SPIRIT worship.
We believe that Fred gives authority (ex cathedra) for "acts of worship" which are intimately connected with idolatry and charismatic religion and the introduction of which is known before hand will "sow discord among the brethren." If the issue is just optional then someone is making a lot of effort to insist that the new "lawful" church of Christ which has moved out of the "ignorance" of the last century is free to sow discord any way it wishes.
Part of the problem is seeing church as "worship center" to enact rituals which have magical transforming power. However, the church Jesus died for was synagogue or school of the Bible. Singing and other "playful" instincts was part of the secular entertainment.
We all just need to relax, plant and sow and let God give the increase.
Fred Peatross: All churches want to transform people. The challenge is that the "transformational journey" of the
Christendom era that ended in the 20th century
no longer works for 21st century people.
If evangelicals are interested in reaching the largest segment of our population they're going to have to carefully consider what kinds of evangelistic approaches best work in a postmodern world. In this groundbreaking book Peatross offers practical advice to Christians who have been trained to do ministry in a world that no longer exist.
The following is a chapter in a book titled "A Pixel in a Greater Picture: The Emerging Church of Christ" by Fred Peatross; foreword by Edward Fudge.
Fred: do you still use the SAME BIBLE? Shelly gives you the right to NARRATE it. Do you still OWE for your OLD house? Do your creditors still DEMAND that you pay. Do the kids use the same MATHEMATICS, CHEMISTRY, PHYSICS? Do you still parse sentences and understand documents the same way? Have you thrown away your old car, your church "house" and on and on?
Of course not: the same method of GOING and PREACHING is the ONLY way to evangelize.
Now, if you are speaking of doing "church" in the CIRCE or holy whore way the METHODS she used (she was burried close to Patmos) was INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC and ENCHANTMENTS or SONGS administered with "drugs" and she was therefore a sorceress. Music has always been a key INSTRUMENT OF SORCERY.
First, churches of Christ are not part of the Evangelical movement. Christ is interested in only one form of transformation: "go preach, baptize, teach." Only a tiny handfull will be interested in the simple, totally verbal account of God in the flesh. Only those who are worthy of the kingdom will hear. If you are Seeking the masses you are seeking the goats and not the sheep. The kingdom is a mystery: it is within the human mind or spirit. It has no external rituals to make the Words of Christ more powerful.
I don't want to do what only God can do! Is that pre-post-modern or what? Yes, the church's preachers totally believe that by getting a Phd they have the supernatural power to construct a "sermon" ignorant of the Spirit Word which has power to "transform people." Part of this clan teaches that the musicians can help "lead the worshiper into the presence of God." That means, and is claimed, that "musicians are mediators between man and God." Yea, even "the platform upon which God lands."
This is not Post Modern but Post Biblical and Post rational. Yet, it is pre-Biblical beginning at the Towers of Babylon.
What utter nonesense: when the twin towers were attacked, people didn't turn to charismatic worship rituals (totally legalistic). Rather, the Bible has had a huge increase in sales. People have nothing from their "churchy culture" of preachers denying that for which they get paid upon which to build a spiritual foundation. Therefore, they sit down and read trying to find the Water of the Word for which they have hungered and thirsted to death because the clergy supplies the "wine, women and song" which destroyed Israel (Amos 5, 6, 8) and Judah (Isaiah 5).
The church of Christ is defined by the Bible BEFORE the latter day apostles decided that we had moved through some time warp which perhaps keeps bodies from falling from tall buildings (God's law) or people from "reaping exactly what they sow." If we sow to the flesh we will reap corruption. That is not the church of Christ which, ideally, is not pagan worship center but School of Christ.
The Post Modern, sense-sucked, do not believe what they are saying: they get their worship ritual and women's worship team right off the Towers of Babel whose temple (church) at the top was where the gods landed. And, you could be played up and down the steps to "meet the gods ascending and descending." The collection plate was at the top and the slave labor LEGALISTICALLY SERVED the gods down below.
Hand clapping and hand waving is totally documented in the Classics and church Fathers so there is nothing Post Modern or "emerging" about falling into the new winskin vat of pagan, prostitute religion.
Nothing has changed in the history of the world in this latter day "death struggle of an unlawful priesthood riding on the backs of widows and orphans" to justify the switch to the Mountain-Grown, snake-handling mentality, Voodoo empowered new style of praise music seeking to reach a climax with God or "making the spirit come." It can happen because music massages every nerve ending in the body and even shakes the brain in its skull.
When Israel "rose up to play" here is the picture: see how God would destroy the musical, hand clappers in Egypt who were having VISIONARY ORGASMS.
What has changed is as "post-modern" as Nimrod and the slave drivers right off the ark.
The Post-Modern "New Style Worship" is identified in every age as pagan idolatry used by the deviant to sell their abnormality as proof that the god's were speaking through them: they would tell you the secret for a price.
Jesus would define the Pharisees as Post Modern because they ignored the Word of God, in order to enforce their own word and in order to become theatrical performers and steal the houses of widows.
They, too, were excluded by Jesus from ever hearing the Spiritual message of redemption.
To their eternal credit, the Pharisees never turned to mixed-sex choirs and instrumental music as weapons against the people and tools of the tithe collectors!
It was the TEMPLE or "church house evangelists" who still BURNED animals using the LEVITICAL MUSIC as a CARNAL type of murdering Lord Jesus Christ.
Music was for animal burning times and every, even non-literate kid knew that when Christ stops the animal sacrifices, the temple servants stop the loud noise which is not called "music."
If we start the music again using the authority of the temple then we repudiate Christ and His words and Paul in Hebrews 6 calls this the unforgivable sin.
Post Modern: Right off the Ark
A new word or term pops up and we can guarantee that it will get to the pulpit faster than the book of Isaiah. "Post Modern" is what Arlie Hoover calls: "Chronological Snobbery." I am constantly astounded that the world built such highly-crafted airplanes BEFORE I was born.
Jesus knew it when He warned the Jewish Clergy:
They are like unto children sitting in the marketplace, and calling one to another, and saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept. Luke 7:32
Everyone tends to believe that "truth began with me." The charismatics at Corinth thought so but Paul asked:
Or did the word of God come originally from you? Or was it you only that it reached? 1 Cor 14:36
The Babylonian tablets tell the story of the female-effeminate worship leaders whose primary weapons were chants (enchanting) and musical instrument. Just off the Ark:
"But when all these things were done, men turned again to impiety; and on this account a law was given by God to instruct them in the manner of living.
But in process of time, the worship of God and righteousness were corrupted by the unbelieving and the wicked, as we shall show more fully by and by.
Moreover, perverse and erratic religions were introduced, to which the greater part of men gave themselves up,
by occasion of holidays and solemnities, instituting drinkings and banquets,
following pipes, and flutes, and harps, and diverse kinds of musical instruments, and indulging themselves in all kinds of drunkenness and luxury.
"Hence every kind of error took rise; hence they invented groves and altars, fillets and victims, and after drunkenness they were agitated as if with mad emotions.
By this means power was given to the demons to enter into minds of this sort, so that they seemed to lead insane dances and to rave like Bacchanalians; hence were invented the gnashing of teeth, and bellowing from the depth of their bowels; hence a terrible countenance and a fierce aspect in men, so that he whom drunkenness had subverted and a demon had instigated, was believed by the deceived and the erring to be filled with the Deity. The full account of the rise of Idolatry.
Clement repeats the story told in a dozen ancient accounts such as the Book of Enoch, The book of Jubilees and the Books of Adam and Eve. At the minimum, these documents record the views of the Jews at the time.
Reviewing the chapter:
> First, let's disable your rational mind by telling a "death bed story." We all have strong feelings about the safety of our children. However, when an accident occurs the emotion is the RESULT of reality.
> You can experience anxiety: waiting up for the late teenager. Just borrowing trouble. This is ARTIFICIALLY CREATED ANXIETY and it is irrational and unhealthy. Sometimes we have to get pills in order to survive the "worship music" in order to find the lost God Who shows up only at the building and in response to our awakening or arousal ceremonies. See how singing arousal Psalms was put down.
> Another form is "Spiritual anxiety created by religious ritual." That was the burden the performing clergy laded on the backs of the people used like pack animals. However, a fundamental part of the GOSPEL is that Jesus died to get the free-loaders and anxiety creators off our backs. He came to give us REST.
> The mandate Jesus gave the "preachers" was to "go, preach, baptize, teach" and go on to the next "threshing field." The mandate for the church was to "make known the manifold wisdom of God." The church has no role in transforming people with the works of human hands. All we are commanded to do is plant and water and leave the "transforming" to God. We are not God and we cannot put them through a transformational journey any more than men can be put through a "masculine journey" without tainting our sanity.
Worship and Emotions
Fred Peatross: Late one night, my wife was awakened by a phone call. A hospital emergency room nurse told her that our daughter had been injured in an automobile accident. She said that we should come to the hospital at once. I have to admit that I was scared. My frustration continued to build during the frenzied drive to the hospital. As we waited to consult with the emergency room doctor about the extent of the injuries, I began to notice emotions that I had never felt in the past. Eventually, the doctor came and told us that our daughter had broken three dorsal vertebrae in her spine.
Waves of emotional reactions were interspersed with periods of numbness. I felt out of control, yet I maintained my composure by taking care of the immediate needs I recognized. I talked with the radiologist and I called relatives.
We can right now relive the experience: every parent has this burden as long as they are alive. These are real bone crushing, anxiety-creating events. However, YOU MUST NOT LADE more burden on people's backs. Jesus died to remove the burden which was "spiritual anxiety created by religious ritual." Don't deny Jesus by crucifying Him after trying to MELT HIS HEART with what was always WARRIOR'S MUSIC.
Music is one of the most powerful drugs for creating "spiritual anxiety." But, wait just a second or two and endorphins come to our rescue to heal the pain from twitching, plucking, twanging, abrading and give us a little left over to be peddled as "spiritual worship."
For a growing number of people constantly under artificially created anxiety, the same drum beat with "church music" creates exactly the same life-shattering feeling the father feels when he believes that his beloved daughter is dangerously ill. Exactly. You cannot tell the difference. The hand clapping, hand waving, singing very complex praise (erotic) songs is deliberately and with a high hand "grinding to bits" (basis of melody) many of the people, making them want to run past the preacher without being able to tell you what he preached about.
The most ancient pagan "professional religionists" knew that and medical science and musicologists know it: that is why it works for those with more "anxiety reserve." Nevertheless, people are deliberately harassing the people of God because they pretend to know more than the Bible which has withstood their hammering for 2,000 years and will not even be dented by them.
Churches of Christ will survive and when the pendulum swings back--pendulums always swing--their children will rise up and call them cursed.
Fred Peatross: From early childhood, males are taught that men should protect their families. Fathers are responsible for fulfilling their wife's and children's physical, financial, and emotional needs. They are to be in control, to be strong (never scared), and capable of fixing all things. By adulthood, males are catapulted into stereotypical roles. Often they feel torn while trying to fulfill the roles expected of them. Showing emotions is labeled as weak or pitiful. They are expected to be strong under adverse circumstances, even when there's an automobile accident involving a daughter they love.
Football or Basketball or professional wrestling is a great place to let go. Even church picnics work. However, God reserved one tiny reservation called EKKLESIA or ASSEMBLY (never church) where He as pure or holy Spirit meets us in our spirit or mind: He doesn't meet us on the dance floor. That synagogue or QAHAL as the "church in the wilderness" was for INSTRUCTION and God outlawed the Levitical warriors "making a joyful noise before the Lord."
Hand clapping is recognized in the Bible as a way to show contempt for utter losers. It is also a way to show contempt for Christ when He has come as promised to Teach us through His Words. It is also wa way to introduce the greatest amount of "spiritual anxiety." Waiting for news about our children is not the best time for show people to do a hand clapping routine.
Rather than Corinth being a "pattern" of unity in diversity, Paul clearly said:
In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good (worthless). 1 Cor 11:17
Too bad about you, Fred, I get lots of hugs and even tears. If we are traumatized it is from unlawful preachers substituting "teaching the Word as it has been taught" with "sermonizing" which they believe has extra spiritual punch power simply by the way they have composed and delivered it. Heard one billed as having rengerating power because he had trained with Zig Ziglar!
Fred Peatross: It's easy to ignore and eventually deny your feelings with the consuming responsibilities and demands of a busy life. But being the analytical type that I am (is this a male thing?), I've often wondered if this is the reason I am hesitant to show and express my feelings.
If you are the masculine, analytical type you really should be afraid of anyone trying to seduce you into connecting a phsyical act of the body with spiritual worship. Once you make the brain snapse connection between "feelings" and being "spiritual" it is likely that you will abandon the Words of Christ in favor of what "feels good to me."
If you "show emotion" which has been generated by the jungle beat then your body is just being a robot: "dancing" when someone else "pipes."
One can "feel" without expressing that feeling in public worship. For instance, what if I feel utter disgust for the Biblical illiteracy in sermon and class? Should I "let go and let God" and just vomit (parallel to clapping) up all over the place, cry, pull my hair and tell the teacher how silly he makes himself look pretending to be THE teacher?
Fred Peatross: Feelings and Worship
If worship is a response of the whole person to God, then we cannot ignore emotions. When we worship we think about Christ and contemplate His character.
We're invited to express our brokenness, gratitude, awe, fear, joy, and humility before God.
Worship calls forth a language of the heart.
It's communion with God, and our response should produce an outflow of feelings.
That is a very big If. In the Law- sense, worship was "being under bondage," falling flat on your face and daring not look up until the trumpets give the all clear.
I wonder about a religious ritual for "expressing our humility." Someone has said that: "Drama works because everyone knows that it isn't really true."
LAW (legalistic) "worship" is force-directed to the senses: singing, clapping, playing instruments, waving hands has the BODY (law) in control. If you can see it, smell it, taste it or hear it, it may be LAW worship.
SPIRITUAL worship occurs ONLY in the human SPIRIT (mind) as it "crucifies" the flesh. One can see the printed WORD or hear the read WORD. If we "give heed to it" that is SPIRITUAL worship.
THEREFORE, if the whole person is involved we are still under LAW and not under GRACE. And indeed perhaps we can never be.
Freedom from law is not for everyone. The law was related to the flesh and could not penetrate to the spirit. Musical rituals were rituals of the flesh.
However, there is a "species" of humanity which can find God in the mind or spirit: that is the only place God will look for our worship.
The test of sonship is that the Son speaks only what He hears from the Father. The test of a spiritual mind is determined by what we are concerned with.
Charismatic rituals such as singing, clapping, raising hands are shows of contempt for a Spirit God because they attempt to find Him in their own human appetites. God lives in the Most Holy place where only one worship can go unassisted to Meet Him. The Mind is the most holy place of the human spirit; if we attempt to worship God with our hands or feet we will never make contact with a Holy Spirit.
There is no peace for the carnal mind; it is always looking for a bigger "fix" to give them the assurance which drained away with the musical drug high.
When you see it you should know that this is not just some programmed legalistic ritual in the "nulling out of all truth and certainty" as we enter the "Post Modern" era. Rather, the carnal mind really has no choice. It has carefully defined, using the Shelly Sifter and secular philosophy, its way into a dead end which, in all of the musical traps of history, it will not and can not recover.
When you cut yourself off from the Vine you are a withering branch and the drier you get the more you crackle:
Here is the universal Post-Biblical or Post Christian test:
The PLACE of Worship Never ChangesOnce you decide that you DO worship for others, and you measure your success or failure by how many you get in your huddle circle DOING worship, you are doomed to eternally trying to find your own PostModern scheme because YOUR old modern scheme didn't work either.
So, here is what we do: we declare God to be dead and His Word so fragmented that all we can do is try to build our own new version "which works."
However, Paul would say that you are still trying to force your body which never got crucified with Christ to rise like dry bones. And you are doomed to failure and you will lead the blind with you.
But, there is a solution. We cannot DO worship for others or LEAD them into worship or, God forgive us, "lead them into the presence of God." Jesus died to give you a solution and you have to die to learn it. That means the "praise teams" sits down as if it had been caught in the Most Holy Place and had tried to open the Ark. That means the "sermonizing" follows the direct command to "give attention to the reading" of the Word and explaining only what you know that others do not alredy know.
Dead men's hands do not keep on clapping and raising them into the face of a Holy God. Why does this insult Him? First, clapping has always been a show of contempt for the looser. Second, if you incourage people to raise "unholy" hands without the Word of God written on the palms then you are leading them into destruction.
GOD CREATED OUR MIND OR SPIRIT AS THE MOST HOLY PLACE OF HUMANITY AND PURGED IT TO MAKE IT FIT FOR HIS HABITATION.
Jesus said that worship is "In Spirit" and that does not mean "charismatically" but it means "in the human spirit" as the PLACE to replace the temples as PLACES. That is the meaning of GRACE. Here are a couple of passages to show that "in spirit" does not mean "in the hands" but in the spirit. That is why Jesus never held a PUBLIC prayer or hand clapping ceremony.
I remembered God, and was troubled: I complained, and my spirit was overwhelmed. Selah. Ps.77:3
I call (Mention, burn incense) to remembrance my song (h5058) in the night:
I commune with mine own heart:
and my spirit made diligent search. Psalm 77:6
For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, 1 Cor 5:3
There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband. 1 Co.7:34
IN SPIRIT is the only PLACE where God looks for our worship. The fact that we are willing to "crucify the flesh" and meet Him there is the greatest honor or worship we can give to Him.
Jesus said that worship is not "in body" when He defined it as "in spirit." There is a law of silence.
For we are the circumcision,
- and rejoice in Christ Jesus,
- and have no confidence in the flesh. Phil 3:3
- which worship God in the spirit,
- Fred puts ALL of his conficence IN THE FLESH:
- Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit,
- and watching thereunto with all perseverance
- and supplication for all saints; Eph 6:18
- Fred wants to do this FOR ONE HOUR in an Anxiety-producing RITUAL.
But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith,
praying in the Holy Spirit, Jude 20NKJV
I was in the Spirit on the Lords day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Re.1:10
Fred wants you to be OUT OF THE SPIRIT. Paul and in all of the classics
this meant INSANITY created by music and other DRUG-INDUCING activity.
John was probably BY HIMSELF and THINKING ON THESE THINGS. God speaksto us in the Most Holy Place in darkness and silence. No light shows
- in the temple without getting yourself executed.
You cannot possibly get the arms and glands and feet involved in worshiping God with Body Worship and still worship "in spirit" or in the mind. That is called "worshiping God with the works of human hands."
You cannot possibly worship in TRUTH if the message comes OUT of your own spirit. This is what Paul accused the Corinthians of doing and therefore their singing songs out of their own "spirit" meant that they were just "speaking into the air."
However, in a spiritual sense, worship is most often bowing to God by "giving heed" to His Words and thoughts. It is not possible to "praise God" by chanting "Praise God." We praise God by honoring what He has reveale of His Mind to our mind or spirit.
If we met Albert Einstein we would not honor him by having a team of 'sister singer' perform some kind of musical ritual for him: he would kill you. Rather, we worship or "give attention" to Albert Einstein by asking him if he can please explain relativity without mathematics.
In worship, we are not invited [in my Bible] to express our brokeness or anything else as self-expression: if we speak or open our mouth we are to speak as the Oracle of God. Whatever we choose to do to express our sense of awe we DARE NOT make it into a ritual and impose it on others. This is the "ME" generation which evidently did not die at Twin Towers. This is "let's discuss my belly button syndrome."
Church is synagogue or school and we come there to let Jesus express His will while we shut up and listen.
Someone said "our churches are not friendly." Next week, all over the country, preachers have introduced a "let's be friendly act of worship for 15 seconds." Is that legalistic, stupid or what?
But, for those of us still somewhat Bible-dependant, Paul said:
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable (spiritual) service. Rom 12:1
That does not mean that our body is to enthuse and get enraptured (raped) or help old ladies across the street. When we "sacrifice" something we burn it up on the altar. This word means "the act of the victim" in crucifying the flesh.
If I am not "crucified with Christ" I cannot even get close to the Throne of Grace with my spirit.
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. Gal 2:20
Christ as Holy Spirit which in 1 Cor. 2 is the MIND OF CHRIST dwells in our mind or spirit. Therefore, if we want to GIVE HEED as the almost unique meaning of "worship" to Paul we will be IN OUR SPIRIT which is the THRONE OF GRACE where we meet God ONE AT A TIME.
Now, if you can figure out how to Get Christ singing, dancing and clapping His hands with you as an act of worship, you are safe from terminal sin. However, the clergy piped hoping that John and Jesus would sing and dance and clap in the Dionysus style and He refused.
Conclusion: you are implicating Jesus as the Head of the body in an effeminate form of "body worship." And He will not participate so you "Dare NOT dance with God" or you will wind up in the arms of the Devil.
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Ro.6:4
If you hands still want to wave and clap and your feed dance and your body sway you may need to go back for another try at "putting the body to death" as a living sacrifice offered up.
In all of the passages falsely identified as "musical," the way for radically different but musicially-dependant Orphics and Dionysics in Romans 14 to meet in love would be to "sacrifice" their old MUSICAL TRADITIONALISM which was always pagan and "speak that which is written" (the Spirit of Christ), the Word of Christ (Col 3) or Spirit (Eph 5). The external function is not "singing" or making music but teaching or preaching the revealed Mind of Christ. The result of such worship or "giving heed" to Christ rather than beating our own nerve endings to get enrapturted (raped) is:
In Spirit: And be not conformed to this world: but ye transformed by the renewing of your mind,
In Truth: that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect will of God. Rom 12:2
The word is "Metamorphose." YOU can do nothing to change a grub into a butterfly.
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 2 Cor 3:17
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord. 2 Co.3:18
But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but, by manifestation of the truth, commending ourselves to every mans conscience in the sight of God. 2 Cor 4:2
We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 2 Peter 1:19
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. John 6:63
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 1 Pet 1:11
The Word is the "seed." We plant the seed and water but the church as an institution cannot make the transformation. The most ancient pagans believed that
"According to the system which Nimrod was the grand instrument in introducing, men were led to believe
that a real spiritual change of heart was unnecessary, and that so far as change was needfu
they could be regenerated by mere external means.
Consistent with the old "modern" religion, we believe that Fred is promoting a system of "body worship" or worship directed at creating a "spectacle" to impress all of the senses. However, this contradicts the message of Jesus that Christians worship IN THE SPIRIT and this cannot happen when the body is still dancing.
When pagan Israelites PLAYED or SPORTED at Mount Sinai they "rose up" in charismatic, musical idolatry of the old Egyptian TRIAD. For that mortal sin God conditionally sentenced them to captivity and death. It would ultimately be the chosen kings who would LEAD them to destruction.
When the Jews PIPED Jesus compared them to "MARKET PLACE CHILDREN" who piped trying to seduce Jesus into the Dionysus singing or lamenting and dancing. This was part of homosexuality worship as part of the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION when the Greeks controlled Jerusalem.
"Looking at the subject in the light of the Bacchanalian orgies (Read Ephesus and Corinth), which, as the reader has seen, commemorated the history of Nimrod, it is evident that
he led mankind to seek their chief good in sensual enjoyment,
and showed them how they might enjoy the pleasures of sin, without any fear of the wrath of a holy God. (Voodoo, Rock, Boogie Woogie becomes Contemporary Christian Music)
"In his various expeditions he was always accompanied by troops of women; and by music and song, and games (ritual drama) and revelries, and everything that could please the natural hearts,
he commended himself to the good graces of mankind." (Hislop, Alexander, The Two Babylons, p. 55, Loizeaux Brothers)
Charles Spurgeon: Feeding the Sheep or Amusing the Goats
But, Fred repudiates that message from Paul (who just made it up according to the Post-Modern, 21st century, latter day apostles):
Fred Peatross: All churches want to transform people. The challenge is that the "transformational journey" of the
Christendom era that ended in the 20th century
no longer works for 21st century people.
Since we are not God, He gave us a way to transform ourselves. The only part of the transforming or regenerating journey humanity can participate in is to plant the seed and water it.
If you are planting the sentimental seed of a sentimental poet then you are not planting the Divine seed and you will reep corruption.
If you are not watering people with the water of the Word then you are allowing them to dry and die of hunger and thirst for the Word. That was the result of the musical sin of Amos 5, 6 and Isaiah 5.
The era after the Christendom era is the Millenium: it is Christ-rejecting premillenialism. Are we in the millenium? Did the Jubilee really usher in the kingdom on earth as it is in heaven. If not, then we are in the same era of Christendom one second after midnight as we were one second before midnight.
Based on the meaning of Post Modernism the Bible was part of the Modern era and Christendom was part of modernism.
Therefore, it is not stretching the facts to say that to most Post-Modern philosophers, CHRISTENDOM ALSO ENDED. The DEATH OF GOD and a move into schizophrenis are tenets of the Post Modern views of unoccupied philosophers who use the Shelly Sifter to strain out everything from the Bible but a few bare facts.
Nothing, but a brain-warp, has happened between the church of my youth and the church of today. Every self-centered generation sees itself as THE focal point of all history: all that went before me were barbarians. However, God has reserved "MY" clan to tell you that 2,000 of church history is AT AN END and the "one true church" is emerging to let you express your emotions in clapping hands.
This generation is absolutely so certain that God reserved the GRACE word for them to discover that they, as Paul warned, see liberty as license.
Fred is recommending a counter-Paul, counter-Spiritual method of letting the "church" transform people by a contrived "transformational journey" which we once sold you but now we want to sell you the 21st century, latest model which obsoletes what we told you last century. But old Paul is right there saying that Fred and all of the preachers and programs and "works of human hands" cannot transform the "spirit" which is approached only by Spirit word:
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration,
and renewing of the (OUR) Holy Spirit; Titus 3:5 (Our spirit made holy)
Clapping hands is the "works of human hands." Waving hands over the head is not the lifting of the PALMS UPWARD as a sign that one was giving heed to the Word of God. If the arms swing loose while the performer manipulates every nerve ending in the body, you are lifting unholy ARMs.
Contrary to the Grace-Centered species of human kind, the emerging church does not now give you permission to "become as much like the world as possible to attract the world."
In the old, pre-Grace-Centered era the Bible "sifted through philosophy and the writer's personal agenda" once said after we "crucify the flesh and burn it up on the altar."
Now, let's say it again because some things don't stick to the emerging group who just discovered grace ant the Towers of Babylon:
And be not conformed to this world:
but ye transformed
by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect will of God. Ro.12:2
Does God still have a will? Is that expressed in commands? How do we know in the Post-Modern, Post-Biblical era?
One of the absolute certainties from the Towers of Babylon down to modern medical science is that you cannot do anything with your rational mind (nous) while music and body worship has totally shut it down.
For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish,
yet the inward man is renewed day by day. 2 Co.4:16
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: Col.3:10
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. 2 Co.3:6
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 2 Co.5:17
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Ep.4:24
When you go Post Modern, you are forced to repudiated the Word of God. And when you do that you may attempt ancient "body renewing" out of a sense of lostness. However, Paul said that you will never be renewed again:
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Heb.6:6
Hand waving or clapping is "stirring up the fesh" to life again.
This is more proof: Jesus said that God does not even look for us in the physical PLACE. Rather, the PLACE of meeting God in the Most Holy Place (naos) is in our spirit or mind which is the nous.
If you attack the body you are, according to Aldos Huxley reaching all of the way to Babel, engaged in emotional masturbation. See Lynn Anderson: Dancing on the Rim.
Once you reject the Words of Christ, there is no renewing and the eternal "patternism" is to take as many with you as possible.
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and
- were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, Heb 6:4
- And have tasted the good word of God,
and the powers of the world to come, Heb 6:5
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Heb.6:6
If we are "in Christ" and He is he Head of the Boby and we fornicate, we force Jesus to participate. If our "bodies" and "hands" are not dead in a self-elevating way, then the death of Christ hasn't worked for us.
If you sell people hand clapping as an emerging way to transform people's lives then you HAVE fallen away from the Word (Post-Modern Confesses the guilt) and YOU WILL NEVER GET UP AGAIN: THUS SAITH THE LORD.
Contrary to Fred, the church as spiritual kingdom which none of its enemies can see because it is "within you," is warned against being contemporary with the culture:
Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, 2 Pet 1:2
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: 2 Pet 1:3
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. 2 Pe.1:4
Jesus has told us He will meet us individually or by "twos or threes." However, when we make a public, body worship performance out of our worship we are putting outselves and the Spirit God on display publically:
Paradeigmatizo (g3856) par-ad-igue-mat-id'-zo; from 3844 and 1165; to show alongside (the public), i.e. expose to infamy;- make a public example, put to an open shame.
The body worship claiming to represent Christ is putting Him to an open shame because He would not participate and had the fact recorded. Furthermore, you put Him to an open shame by trying to use Him like a puppet speaking your words.
The only thing which has happened is that preacher's programs like the pyramidal ministry curse imposed by God upon the monarchy period to destroy them, didn't work.
Why didn't it work? Because of the sermonizing and versifying of Bible and sentimental thought. This caused spiritual blindness and in Amos and Isaiah, music gives rise to "hungering and thirsting for the Word."
The same people who repudiate the Word of Christ in Song and Sermon, feeling their "place" slipping away.
Therefore, they will always promote 'holy theater' to fool the fools so that they can remain on the payroll for which the Bible has no "office."
The radical OBSOLETING the preaching task (which was never part of a "worship" ritual is a valid part of Post-Modernism. Preaching is an "outreach" effort but it has been transformed in the 'modern' era as a denominational "dominant pastor" role and evangelism has been replaced with a restored pyramidal ministry system.
As the scribe grew obsolete when people learned to write, public cut N paste preaching became more than obsolete when people learned to read their $2.00 Bible.
Arnobius writing (A.D. 297-303) Ridicules instrumental music in worship notes the ongoing "Patternism" of the Pharisees:
Nay, rather, to speak out more truly, the augurs, the dream interpreters, the soothsayers, the prophets, and the priestlings, ever vain, have devised these fables; for they,
fearing that their own arts be brought to nought, and that they may extort but scanty contributions from the devotees, now few and infrequent,
whenever they have found you to be willing that their craft should come into disrepute, cry aloud,
the Gods are neglected, and
in the temples there is now a very thin attendance. For ceremonies are exposed to derision,
and the time-honoured rites of institutions once sacred
have sunk before the superstitions of new religions.
And men--a senseless race--being unable, from their inborn blindness, to see even that which is placed in open light,
dare to assert in their frenzy
what you in your sane mind do not blush to believe. (Arnobius Against the Heathen, Ante-Nicene Fathers, VI, p. 418).
Arnobius also wrote:
35. But is it only poets whom you have thought proper to allow to invent unseemly tales about the gods, and to turn them shamefully into sport? (Hand clapping is making sport or reveling)
What do your pantomimists, the actors, that crowd of mimics and adulterers? Do they
not abuse your gods to make to themselves gain,
and do not the others find enticing pleasures in the wrongs and insults offered to the gods?
At the public games, too, the colleges of all the priests and magistrates take their places, the chief Pontiffs, and the chief priests of the curiae; the Quindecemviri take their places, crowned with wreaths of laurel,
and the flamines diales (specialists of one god) with their mitres; the augurs take their places,
who disclose the divine mind and will
and the chaste maidens also, who cherish and guard the ever-burning fire;
36. But this crime is not enough: the persons of the most sacred gods are mixed up with farces also, and scurrilous plays.
And that the idle onlookers may be excited to laughter and jollity,
the deities are hit at in jocular quips, the spectators shout and rise up, the whole pit resounds with the clapping of hands and applause.
Fred Peatross: These feelings can be expressed in various ways. Some Christians clap their hands in rhythm to the music; although, those of us who are rhythmically challenged would rather sit on them. Some raise their hands when they pray or worship. These are but two of the ways we express our feelings toward God.
Let us make it clear to the foggy: there is no connection between "music" and the worship of a purely (holy) Spirit God in the entirety of God's dealing with mankind. Blowing 120 trumpets in unison is not music. Music is for the secular parties and includes dance and the end-time Babylonian Harlot worship of Revelation 18 -- emerging in a church in your neighborhood.
- In Justin's Dialog with Trypho the Jew he translates Amos:
- Who applaud at the sound of the musical instruments;
- they reckon them as stable, and not as fleeting.
- Who drink wine in bowls, and anoint themselves with the chief ointments,
- but they are not grieved for the affliction of Joseph.
- We do know that Jesus read the Septuagint which reads:
- who excel in the sound of musical instruments;
- they have regarded them as abiding,
- not as fleeting pleasure." Amos 6:5 LXX
The external "melody" with the clapping of hands is to fortify the false teaching. The feelings induced by the clapping and not the result is a drug high and not caused by a "holy" spirit.
True, there is music but it always says: "We will not listen to the Word of God." Sure, there is the music of the warriors blowing trumpets, twacking harp strings and twanging bow strings. However, consistent with all that we know in the modern age about such noise (as God calls it) it is "lading the enemy down with the spiritual anxiety" in order to make them turn into cowards. Outside of warfare, those who wanted to get your carnal lust flowing by doing the "works of human hands" in clapping or lifting, this was the powerful weapon of the prostitute. Both the king/queen of Tyre and Babylon were harp-playing prostitutes because music could and can seduce you out of your entire bank account: it happens in may "temple building programs."
This artificial "worship" uses the manipulation of the body and its senses to get into the Voodoo-derived rhythm and this changes the emotions without letting your rational (spiritual) mind know what is taking place.
Preachers love music because a bit of drug-injection through music can hide a multitude of sins and silly exegesis in sermonizing which is just as unscriptural as "versifying" our human sentimental feelings: using our personal experiences to set people up with a non-Biblical authority: "Me."
Fred Peatross: The raising of hands is certainly one of the biblically sanctioned postures of prayer, but not the only one. There are numerous positions that the Bible acknowledges as appropriate for prayer and worship. One can sit, kneel, stand, lie prostrate, or raise hands receptively toward God while realizing that none of these postures makes one more spiritual or his worship more acceptable. These are simply human ways of inclining ourselves to the living God, a way of bringing our physical posture in line with our spiritual desire. Such actions can be helpful for us in our prayer lives and worship experiences.
That is true, but raising my hands in prayer is not for me to display my more spiritual feelings than others. Lifting up the palms of the hands at about belt level is the preamble to reading or reciting the Word of God.
If you are singing Sister Sally's latest "inspiration" which is erotic because it drives you into physical reaction, then you don't grasp the meaning of "lifting holy hands."
Contrary to the new "grace removed" movement, Jesus said as Incarnate God that this repudiates grace. Making worship TIME AND PLACE specific in non-Biblical acts repudiates Christ who died to tear down the walls and allow each individual to come boldly before the throne of Grace. That time and place is the human mind or spirit.
> Prayer and opening the innocent palms toward God is symbolic or a prelude to hearing directly from God through His inspired Word:
> And Ezra blessed the Lord, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the Lord with their faces to the ground. Neh 8:6
> > Also Jeshua, and Bani, and Sherebiah, Jamin, Akkub, Shabbethai, Hodijah, Maaseiah, Kelita, Azariah, Jozabad, Hanan, Pelaiah, and the Levites, caused the people to understand the law: and the people stood in their place. Neh 8:7
So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading. Neh 8:8
Hymn I. Ephraim Syrus
1. On a certain day a pearl did I take up, my brethren; I saw in it mysteries pertaining to the Kingdom; semblances and types of the Majesty; it became a fountain, and I drank out of it mysteries of the Son.
I put it, my brethren, upon the palm of my hand, that I might examine it: I went to look at it on one side, and it proved faces on all sides. I found out that the Son was incomprehensible, since He is wholly Light.
2. It was greater to me than the ark, for I was astonied thereat: I saw therein folds without shadow to them because it was a daughter of light,
types vocal without tongues, utterances of mysteries without lips, a silent harp that without voice gave out melodies.
The trumpet falters and the thunder mutters; be not thou daring then; leave things hidden, take things revealed. Thou hast seen in the clear sky a second shower; the clefts of thine ears, as from the clouds, they are filled with interpretations.
This was a restoration of the "synagoguing" function in the land. If you read or sing your own silly, erotic praise songs and perform what Aldos Huxley called "emotional masturbation" with clapping or raising of hands you cannot appeal to the "hand raising" without grasping that this is "lifting my hand to the Oracle or Word of God."
Please don't ever quote Paul about raising HOLY hands without grasping that "worship" to him meant the same thing: To Timothy: "Give attendance to the public reading of the Word, to doctrine to exhortation."
> I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting. 1 Ti. 2:8
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 1 Ti. 2: 11
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence 1 Ti. 2: 12
The hand lifted high is a sign of usurping authority over the masculine component of the congregation. And it usurps authoriity from God.
> > Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity. 1 Ti 4:12
Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to preaching (exhortation) and to teaching (doctrine). 1Ti.4:13
Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all. 1 Tim 4:15
Meditate means to "revolve in the mind."
This has no "Christian" connection to singing human compositions (the Pharisee pattern), clapping hands or waving hands in the air as we are "lifted up" or carried beyond ourself in charismatic madness.
Paul does not define a ritualistic Act of Worship where everyone lifts holy hands. Notice that all texts have a context:
> Whereunto I am ordained a preacher (herald), and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity. 1 Ti 2:7
Paul says: "Because I teach the truth as a herald, I would be unholy if I 'opened the message and changed it.' Therefore, the teachers of the flock are not Ministers of Raising hands. Rather, they are "orthodox" and repeat what they have been taught.
I will therefore that men pray every where, holy hands, without wrath and doubting (debate). 1 Ti. 2:8
Lifting up HOLY hands is from the Greek word:
Hosios (g3741) hos'-ee-os; of uncert. affin.; prop. right (by intrinsic or divine character; thus distinguished from 1342, which refers rather to human statutes and relations: from 2413, which denotes formal consecration; and from 40, which relates to purity from dement), i.e. hallowed (pious, sacred, sure): - holy, mercy, shalt be.
Therefore, to give everyone permission to "lift up holy hands" as an act of song or prayer violates this specific limitation by Paul.
Lifting up holy hands is to lift up "orthodox" hands. The elder is to "teach the Word as it has been taught." If he does otherwise he is not lifting up holy or orthodox hands:
Lifting: Anorthoo (g461) an-orth-o'-o; from 303 and a der. of the base of 3717; to straighten up: - lift (set) up, make straight.
Withour wrath: Orge (g3709) or-gay'; from 3713; prop. desire (as a reaching forth or excitement of the mind), i.e. (by anal) violent passion
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Ep.5:6
Oreogomai (g3713) or-eg'-om-ahee' mid. of appar. a prol. form of an obsol. prim. [comp. 3735]; to stretch oneself, i.e. reach out after (long for): - covet after, desire
g3735 is "reaching up like a mountain, above the plain."
Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees; Heb 12:12
Orthos (g3717) or-thos'; prob. from the base of 3735; right (as rising), i.e. (perpendicularly) erect (fig. honest), or (horizontally) level or direct: - straight, upright.
Orthotomeo (g3718) or-thot-om-eh'-o' from a comp. of 3717 and the base of 5114; to make a straight cut, i.e. (fig.) to dissect (expound) correctly (the divine message): - rightly divide.
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2Ti.2:15
Here is why prayer is not a to be seen ritual: a hypocrite is an actor. And if we have to sow discord among brethren just to force them to watch me lift my holy (or unholy?) hands then we are so intent on repudiating Christ that we may fall into the unforgivable sin:
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. Matthew 6:5
Now, Jesus could have said: "Pray in public without being a hypocrite" but that is an oxymoron.
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. Matthew 6:6
And he was withdrawn from them about a stones cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, Matthew 22:41
This does not mean that we cannot pray along with others but it does mean that prayer is not an "act" of worship where I, so spiritual, can offend you by waving my hands in the air like I am trying to be an antenna to make my prayer more powerful.
It would appear that such hand waving would violate the direct commandment of Jesus. Furthermore, it would violate his approved example. And because such activity when I am trying to sing or pray is offensive to me, we might infer that it is wrong.
Fred Peatross: Recently, I had a conversation with a worship leader from a congregation in Ohio. He provided me with a good set of connections between the physical posture in raising hands during worship and the mental/spiritual processes that might well accompany them.
First, let's us agree that "worship leader" is an oxymoron. The ancient Babylonians had their song leaders, prayers, praise leaders and prostitutes to "bring you into the presence of God." However, Jesus said that worship is not in the PLACE of Gerazim or Zion. Rather, the PLACE is the human spirit or mind and the resource is the Word or Spirit of truth.
You cannot LEAD me in worship (unless you read the Word) any more than you can participate in making love to my wife. Worship is in the "holy place" where no worship leader would dare to go. And if he dares to try to go there today we might suggest that he has already been thrust through the heart with the Sword of the Spirit.
What Fred is trying to analyze is various forms of "worship ritual" which Jesus died to remove. It is my (big billy goat) trying to win out over you (little billy goat) to be king of the hill in defining "acceptable" forms for the worship with human hands.
Fred Peatross: Think about what position your arms would be in if you were standing and offering a bulky, but not necessarily heavy, gift to someone. Your arms would be outstretched shoulder width (or further apart), perhaps waist high, with your palms up. When you're worshipping/singing and "offering" yourself or your gifts to Christ, your hands and arms could be in this position.
That is a fact. And if you raise your hands above your shoulders and wave them around you are just going to endanger your gender identification. Furthermore, only the high priest was allowed to lift his hands up to the shoulders.
Modern Jews and Arabs lift up their hands as if reading their documents because they have memorized it. People "in church" still open their hands during prayer but they cannot possibly wave them around in the air and be praying to God at the same time.
However, there is no God-connected evidence that we can or should do this as a collective activity. Don't we sing "Nothing in my hands I bring"? Sure. We have nothing in our open hands as a sign of power. Rather, our spiritual sacrifice is the fruit of the lips as we lift up our palms.
This lifting holy hands was not a panicky attempt to find the lost God or help bring the worshiper into the presence of God. It was to denounce one's personal worth and talent and turn silent, awe-struck attention toward God and His Holy, unalterable Word--
> My hands also will I lift up unto thy commandments, which I have loved;
and I will meditate in thy statutes. Ps.119:48
Siychah (h7881) see-khaw'; fem. of 7878; reflection; by extens. devotion: - meditation, prayer.
> Mine eyes prevent the night watches, that I might meditate in thy word. Ps.119:148
I poured out my complaint before him; I shewed before him my trouble. Ps.142:2
I remember the days of old; I meditate on all thy works; I muse (h7878) on the work of thy hands. Ps.143:5
Hagah (h1897) haw-gaw'; a prim. root [comp. 1901]; to murmur (in pleasure or anger); by impl. to ponder: - imagine, meditate, mourn, mutter, roar, * sore, speak, study, talk, utter.
> And as the people were in expectation, and all men mused in their hearts of John, whether he were the Christ, or not; Luke 3:15
Dialogizomai (g1260) dee-al-og-id'-zom-ahee; from 1223 and 3049; to reckon thoroughly, i.e. (gen.) to deliberate (by reflection or discussion): - cast in mind, consider, dispute, muse, reason, think.
> O how love I thy law it is my meditation all the day. Ps.119:97
Thou through thy commandments hast made me wiser than mine enemies: for they are ever with me. Ps 119:98
> I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation. Ps.119:99
> "I will lift up my hands to thy commandments, which denotes not only a vehement desire towards them (Ps. 143:6)--
"I will lay hold of them as one afraid of missing them, or letting them go;'' but a close application of mind to the observance of them&emdash;
"I will lay my hands to the command, not only to praise it, but practise it; nay, I will lift up my hands to it,
that is, I will put forth all the strength I have to do it.'' The hands that hang down, through sloth and discouragement, shall be lifted up, Heb. 12:12
> Even of parental commandments:
Bind them continually upon thine heart, and tie them about thy neck. Pr 6:21
When thou goest, it shall lead thee; when thou sleepest, it shall keep thee; and when thou awakest, it shall talk with thee. Pr.6:22
For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life: Pr 6:23
Fred Peatross: Imagine that you see someone near and dear across the room that you haven't seen in a long while. When you invite them to embrace you, your outstretched arms will be raised probably almost to shoulder level, your hands open and palms up. Again, when you are worshipping/singing and wanting to "embrace" your Savior as friend and brother, your hands and arms could be in this position.
But, God isn't a long lost friend as David's psalms prove that he believed.
That they should seek (worship) the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: Acts 17:27
It is a preacher presumption that we have to come hear their sermon in order to do that act of worship. And God is only gonna be at this building at 10:30. Contrary to this, Paul said that if we want to seek and find and worship God we will have to go to Christ "outside the camp." That means outside of the gates of the courts where the Levites made their noise, the holy place where the priests offered the blood or the most holy place. These three areas represent the physical world. However, "John was in the spirit on the Lord's day." he was not inside of the personal Holy Spirit; he was in his own spirit or mind which is the ONLY place Christ will be seeking us.
For this reason, the church is called "ekklesia" which is like country court where no one went to perform in song and music. You would be transported back down to the gay district if you came in there waving your hands and "making" music while the jury (ekklesia) was listening to the evidence.
When people "gather" they are doing some form of synagogue: there was no "music" or praise service in the synagogue which was school and not a pagan worship center.
Therefore, "making music" or praying only in the holy place "inside the camp" is a restoration of the Levitical animal-burning music and that seems to say in Hebrews 6 that you have committed the unforgivable sin by giving up the Word.
Therefore, there is no cultur or commandment for a "praise service" where we go further into sin and offend people by an artificially-induced hand-waving or hand clapping show of contempt for others.
Fred Peatross: Now, think about what you would do with your hands if someone pointed a high-powered rifle at you, and you didn't want them to shoot you. Your arms would go up at least to shoulder height and your palms would be facing forward in the universal sign of surrender. In our worship, we can physically show our attitude of "surrender" to Jesus by raising our hands and declaring our vulnerability (We are weak, but He is strong.)
However, we are not vulnerable:
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need. Heb.4:16
That throne is in heaven and not in the "holy place" of church architecture which is the liturgy area where the hand claping sister singers condem themselves. However, this is the meaning of being Post Modern: I know that I am deliberately and with a high hand giving people permission to lift their hands in an offensive way knowing that it will sow discord. Being Post Modern means that we can get our authority from one of our 'worship leaders' who, by definition, has also been brain sucked dry of the Word of God.
Surrender to God has always been just the opposite: worship means to "fawn like a dog." Now, if we come into the presence of a dangerous dog and he falls to the grown and licks our shoes we are not threatened. however, if the dog comes "waving his claws" in our face we know that we are not in the presence of a surrendered soul.
So, why not have a legalistic 'falling on your face' ritual? Then you can hire a "Falling On Your Face Worship Leader" on your pyramidal, tower of Babylon power ministry team.
Fred Peatross: Lifting the hands is just a way of reaching up to God to exalt Him or seek Him. It is perfectly appropriate. Some are concerned that this practice might be the early introduction of a charismatic theology for the Church of Christ. Raising hands in worship in no way embraces a charismatic theology any more than kneeling while praying embraces Catholic theology. The question shouldn't be is it "charismatic," but is it biblical?
But, Fred is going to ADVANCE beyond raising hands as a personal thing and let us sing, dance, clap, use lighting, plaly instruments and get wrapped up into a VORTEX.
Paul has just said that we don't have to "reach up" to find God. The musical idolatry at Mount Sinai was the "sending across the sea" ritual of the Egyptian triad where the Israelites sent for the old bull image to teach them. This repudiated God Who had just delivered the oral, Book of the Covenant.
For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. Rom 10:5
But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend (lift up) into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) Romans 10:6
Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) Romans 10:7
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; Romans 10:8
"Worship" is giving heed to Christ by giving heed to His Word which is "Spirit and Life." We are legalistically "doing the deeds" of the world if we believe that singing or a ritualistic, ceremonial prayer is "reaching up to God."
Charismatics (hand lifters or hand clappers) MUST LIVE BY THESE THINGS. When they are "not in the presence of God" as proven by the drug-induced "feeling" then God is not walking with them and living in them. So, giffy quick (and preachers love this) they have to get back to "do church" again to get another fix.
The provable fact is, however, that the drug high from Sunday "reaching up to find the lost God" has worn off, the people feel just terrible and come back Sunday night "disguised as empty seats." And, contrary to Nimrod and his female worship team at the towers of Babylon, the people were not "regenerated through external means."
Most 'church worship music' has been called "low level glossolalia" or speaking in tongues. When one's body begins to move with the music they have at some level moved outside of themselves and gone charismatic because they wouldn't do it in the normal course of their lives or "outside of church."
The Use of Hands in Worship
Fred Peatross: The Bible not only permits the hand raising posture in prayer and worship but it also seems to encourage it (Psalm 28:2; 63:4; 134:2; 1Timothy 2:8). If you feel led to do this in your prayer life or in public worship, feel free to do so. But those who aren't moved to do the same are not required.
Let's tell the world, first, that David was not a "worship leader" and did not define the conditions by which God would be worshiped. David was one of the kings hand-picked by God to lead the Israelites into destruction and captivity.
(A Psalm of David.) Psalm 28:1
UNTO thee will I cry, O Lord my rock; be not silent to me: lest, if thou be silent to me, I become like them that go down into the pit.
Hear the voice of my supplications, when I cry (yell for help) unto thee, when I lift up my hands toward thy holy oracle. Psalm 28:2
When Jews or Muslims lift up their open hands it is in the POSTURE of reading that which they have studied and memorized. They do not wave their hands in the air.
Thus will I bless thee while I live: I will lift up my hands in thy name. Ps.63:4
My soul shall be satisfied as with marrow and fatness; and my mouth shall praise thee with joyful lips: Ps 63:5
When I remember thee upon my bed,
and meditate on thee in the night watches. Ps 63:6
This doesn't seem to be "worship rituals."
We told you above, that using "external means" to find God or seeking to regenerate through external means is NOT a grace-centered or spiritual concept. On the contrary, it is a sign that people are lost because they have belittled inspiration and eyes have been blinded and they cannot see God. Remember?
Fred Peatross: Lifting the hands is just a way of reaching up to God to exalt Him or seek Him.
Christ is not silent: He speaks his Spirit or Mind through the Words He has inspired through the prophets and apostles. But the Jewish clergy, also unlawful, could not see because they had turned to their own show and tell and not to Christ.
In Deut 31: Prophesying the destructive future for Israel which we dare not use as a "pattern" for worship.
I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men: Deut 31: 26
Were it not that I feared the wrath of the enemy, lest their adversaries should behave themselves strangely, and lest they should say,
Our hand is high, and the Lord hath not done all this. Deut 31: 27
This is not the humble hand but the open hand:
Yad (h3027) yawd; a prim. word; a hand, the open one indicating power, means, direction, etc., armholes, creditor, custody, debt, dominion, power, presumptuously..
The prescription was not called "public worship" but:
If there be in the land famine, if there be pestilence, blasting, mildew, locust, or if there be caterpiller; if their enemy besiege them in the land of their cities; whatsoever plague, whatsoever sickness there be; 1 Kings 8:37
What prayer and supplication soever be made by any man, or by all thy people Israel, which shall know every man the plague (affliction) of his own heart, and spread forth his hands (palms) toward this house: 1 Kings 8:38
Then hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place, and forgive, and do, and give to every man according to his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou, even thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children of men;) 1 Kings 8:39
In desperation and lostness people wave their hands around. The task of the church is to assure them of God's grace and not encourage them to mourn their utter sense of lostness:
And enter not into judgment with thy servant: for in thy sight shall no man living be justified. Psa 143:2
For the enemy hath persecuted my soul; he hath smitten my life down to the ground; he hath made me to dwell in darkness, as those that have been long dead. Psa 143: 3
Therefore is my spirit overwhelmed within me; my heart within me is desolate. Psa 143: 4
I remember the days of old; I meditate on all thy works; I muse on the work of thy hands. Psa 143:5
I stretch forth my hands unto thee: my soul thirsteth after thee, as a thirsty land. Selah. Psa 143:6
A supplication is a prayer and one does not "lead" prayer for another. This was not an act of "worship" which is defined as falling on the face, bowing or otherwise being under "hard bondage" under law.
Teach me to do thy will; for thou art my God: thy spirit is good; lead me into the land of uprightness. Psa 143:10
When one lifts up their hand they do not raise them and wave them around. The "open hand" is a symbol of personal power. By opening the hand as in a hand shake one acknowledges that they have no personal power.
The lifting was of the "hands" and the "arms" have a different meaning.
Stretch out is: Paras (h6566) paw-ras'; a prim. root; to break apart, disperse, etc.: - break, chop in pieces, lay open, scatter, spread (abroad, forth, selves, out), stretch (forth, out).
El (h413) denoting motion towards, but occasionally used of a quiescent position.
The oracle is the place from which the word comes: in paganism which depended on wine, music and dancing or other "works of human hands" the place from which the poisonous gas arose which made the virgin raving made was was the Oracle place and Speaker:
Debiyr (h1687) deb-eer'; or (short.) dˇbir deb-eer'; from 1696 (appar. in the sense of oracle): the shrine or innermost part of the sanctuary: - oracle
And the priests brought in the ark of the covenant of the Lord unto his place, to the oracle of the house, into the most holy place, even under the wings of the cherubims: 2Chr.5:7
The Psalmist was lifting up his hands to the WORD of God in the most holy place. This was a pledge of faithfulness and not an effeminate waving.
Dabar is the Hebrew equivalent to Logos.
Dabar (h1696) daw-bar'; a prim. root; perh. prop. to arrange; but used fig. (of words) to speak; rarely (in a destructive sense) to subdue: - answer, appoint, bid, command, commune, declare, destroy, give, name, promise, pronounce, rehearse, say, speak, be spokesman, subdue, talk, teach, tell, think, use [entreaties], utter, * well, * work.
Jesus as "Son" spoke only what He heard from the "Father." That defined His Sonship. Therefore, Christ and His Word is the only oracle of Christ today.
While our personal talent can be used for "ministry" when we speak we had better imitate Christ and speak as the Oracle of God by repeating what He delivered and inspired in the Word.
Poems Tend to Be Poetical.
David was not a "worship leader." Therefore, David neve lead "congregational singing with instrumental accompaniment while the audience waved their hands around like antennas seeking something."
To see thy power and thy glory, so as I have seen thee in the sanctuary. Psalm 63:2
Because thy lovingkindness is better than life, my lips shall praise thee. Psalm 63:3
Thus will I bless thee while I live: I will lift up my hands in thy name. Psalm 63:4
My soul shall be satisfied as with marrow and fatness; and my mouth shall praise thee with joyful lips: Psalm 63:5
When I remember thee upon my bed, and meditate on thee in the night watches Psalm 63:6
Because thou hast been my help, therefore in the shadow of thy wings will I rejoice. Psalm 63:7
I remember the days of old; I meditate on all thy works; I muse on the work of thy hands. Ps 143:5
I stretch (break apart) forth my hands (palms) unto thee: my soul thirsteth after thee, as a thirsty land. Selah. Ps 143:6
Cause me to hear thy lovingkindness in the morning; for in thee do I trust: cause me to know the way wherein I should walk; for I lift up my soul unto thee. Ps 143:8
- Hand Clapping BOASTED of someone out to get you:
- An enemy will speak sweetly with his lips,
- but in his mind he will plan to throw you into a pit;
- an enemy will weep with his eyes,
- but if he finds an opportunity his thirst for blood will be insatiable. Ecclu 12:16
- If calamity befalls you,
- you will find him there ahead of you;
- and while pretending to help you,
- he will trip you by the heel; Ecclu 12: 17
- he will shake his head,
- and clap his hands,
- and whisper much,
- and change his expression. Ecclu 12: 18.
People of the time never saw David as a spiritual worship leader. However, since David never worshiped in the temple, Ben Sirach said:
In all that he did he gave thanks to the Holy One, the Most High, with ascriptions of glory;
he sang praise with all his heart, and he loved his Maker. Ecclesiasticus 47:8.
He placed singers before the altar, to make sweet melody with their voices. Ecclesiasticus 47: 9.
However, David was not worship leader in a spiritual sense:
who brought kings down to destruction, and famous men from their beds; 48:6.
who heard rebuke at Sinai and judgments of vengeance at Horeb; 48: 7.
who anointed kings to inflict retribution,
and prophets to succeed you. 48: 8.
The prophets universally repudiate the music of the priestly class who were devoted to the "like the nation's temple" in Jerusalem.
And Hosea agreed:
O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself; but in me is thine help. Hosea 13:9
I will be thy king: where is any other that may save thee in all thy cities? and thy judges of whom thou saidst, Give me a king and princes? Hosea 13:10
I gave thee a king in mine anger, and took him away in my wrath. Hosea 13:11
The sanctuary is the most holy place:
Unfortunately, David had often misplaced God by defining the "like the nation's" temple worship. Furthermore, David was one of those kings ordained by God to lead the Israelites into captivity and death because of their musical idolatry at Mount Sinai:
And the songs of the temple shall be howlings (Yalal or wailing tones like halal or praise) in that day, saith the Lord God: there shall be many dead bodies in every place; they shall cast them forth with silence (finally holding their peace). Amos 8:3
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord: Amos 8:11
And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it. Amos 8:12
"Unlike the pagan deities, Yahweh was not in any of the forces of nature but in a real apart. He is experienced in the scarcely perceptible timbre of a tiny breeze in the paradox of a voiced silence." (Armstrong, Karen, A History of God, p. 27)
You cannot hear God with your mouth or the mouth of a team open!
Lifting up hands in prayer in Paul's writing is the same as the Jewish practice: one holds their arms next to their body, stretches out the lower arm horizontially and then turns the palms upward. This was a sign of "reading" the Word written in the palms. It was not some kind of charismatic magical act.
Fred Peatross: Clapping hands is a legitimate part of the worship experience (Psalm 47:1). It's a sign of enthusiasm and excitement, something we should have regarding the greatness of the living God.
And again: All churches want to transform people. The challenge is that the "transformational journey" of
the Christendom era
that ended in the 20th century no longer works for 21st century people.
We believe that Fred is just being inexact. However, the Grace-Centered wrecking crew believes that the Biblical era ended (with them, of course) in the 20th century. Now, we are living in the Post-Modern or Post-Biblical era. The music and charisma seems to be proof that the ancient Babylonian and Tyrian musical prostitute has risen along with Apollo's (Abaddon or Apollyon) Seeker Centers.
Post Modern really means Post-Biblical because it has been put through the sifter of time and is no longer reliable. However, for a price, I will tell you what is now acceptable worship in the 21 century. History shows that the end of each millenium brings out the crazys of the world but then, after beating on the Anvil of God's Word and dying in shame, the Bible is still there:
(To the chief Musician, A Psalm for the sons of Korah.) Psalm 47:1
O clap your hands, all ye people; shout unto God with the voice of triumph.
Taqa (h8628) taw-kah'; a prim. root; to clatter, i. e. slap (the hands together), clang (an instrument); by anal. to drive (a nail or tent-pin, a dart, etc.); by impl. to become bondsman (by hand-clasping): - blow ([a trumpet]), cast, clap, fasten, pitch [tent], smite, sound, strike, * suretiship, thrust.
Then Jael Hebers wife took a nail of the tent, and took an hammer in her hand, and went softly unto him, and smote the nail into his temples, and fastened it into the ground: for he was fast asleep and weary. So he died. Jud.4:21
For the Lord most high is terrible; he is a great King over all the earth. Psalm 47:2
He shall subdue the people under us, and the nations under our feet. Psalm 47:3
There is no healing of thy bruise; thy wound is grievous: all that hear the bruit of thee shall clap the hands over thee: for upon whom hath not thy wickedness passed continually? Nah 3:19
When you clap your hands or give permission it is really telling people that it is ok to triumph over the reverent worshipers and put your feet on their neck and "sing songs to them" to triumph over them as an enemy defeats the old enemy.
This clapping is also a victory yell over God and His Word which was all written before the time of the Latter Day Pathetic Prophesiers of "prophecies stolen from others."
This was the BATTLE CRY and was turned upon Jesus. When we repeat it we clearly prove that the Christendom era has ended for us because in Ezekiel 30 God turns the musical instruments agains the Syrians who troubled Israel from the beginning. Assyria is called "the tallest tree in the garden of Eden" and God would beat them to death with the clapping, shouting and sound of musical instruments.
The sound you hear is "God repaying His enemies."
However, the silver trumpets were signal instruments and used to panic the enemy so that David could rejoice over shedding the blood OF the Gentiles with his feet on their neck. However, Jesus "sang to the Gentiles" when He shed His blood FOR the Gentiles. See the difference?
This is the battle cry as clearly defined in the Dead Sea Scrolls. However, the "congregation" of the people came together (synagogued) for instruction and God outlawed the TRIUMPHAL shout and sounding of warfare:
But when the congregation is to be gathered (synagogued) together, ye shall blow, but ye shall not sound a TRIUMPH. Numbers 10:7 (Paraphrased)
This was the alarm:
Ruwa (h7321) roo-ah'; a prim. root; to mar (espec. by breaking); fig. to split the ears (with sound), i. e. shout (for alarm or joy): - blow an alarm, cry (alarm, aloud, out), destroy, make a joyful noise, smart, shout (for joy), sound an alarm, triumph.
Psalm 41 prophesied that Judas would not totally triumph over Jesus and we know that triumphing over Jesus as the 'enemy' was with instrumental music and enough noise to drive the enemies into panic like Gideon.
Fred Peatross: Sometimes our worship leaders will encourage clapping. This is fine. It's not something that has to be done all the time or by everyone, but it is certainly an appropriate aspect of responding to God. However, just as we sometimes clap and express enthusiasm (enthus o mania, madness in Corinth) there will be times when we will be still and quiet expressing reverence.
Jesus said that worship is ONLY in the HUMAN SPIRIT. This is much like the Most Holy Place in the temple. INDIVIDUALS come boldly before the throne of Grace but there is NO SUCH THING AS A WORSHIP LEADER except in rank paganism.
All pagans believed that the "demons" or gods lived inside of the idols or musical instruments which could "teach" them.
Jamison-Fausett-Brown Revelation 8 notes that:
"In the Jewish temple, musical instruments and singing resounded during the whole time of the OFFERING of the SACRIFICES, which formed the first part of the service.
This noisey ritual was slaughtering and burning the TYPES of the Lord Jesus Christ. The musicians were NEVER in the Holy Place as a type of the body of Christ. Psalm 41 prophesied that it would be JUDAS implicated in leading the mocking and betraying of Jesus leading to HIS crucifixion with musical mocking.
Inside the Holy Place or type of the church of christ:
}But at the offering of INCENSE, solemn SILENCE was kept ("My soul waiteth upon God," Ps 62:1; "is SILENT," Margin; Ps 65:1, Margin),
the PEOPLE praying SECRETLY all the time.
The "team" or leader can ask God for someting on my behalf, BUT no one can sing my own praise nor PRAY my prayers. The attempt claims for the LEADER: "I am Lord Jesus Christ Who died for your sins.
The half-hour STILLNESS implies, too, the earnest adoring EXPECTATION with which the blessed spirits and the angels await the succeeding unfolding of God's judgments. A short space is implied; for even an hour is so used (Re 17:12 18:10,19).
SILENCE IS: Duwmiyyah (h1747) doo-me-yaw'; from 1819; stillness; adv. silently; abstr. quiet, trust: - silence, silent, waiteth.
In many pagan religions CLAPPING OF HANDS was to get the "attention" of the gods: I have seen it done. That would be at the relatively ELEVATED SPIRITUAL status of a rank PAGAN. For little singy-clappies it just means infantile JUBILATION of those who jump and clap before they can walk and talk.
Rank pagans also believed that the HIGH PITCHED PRAISE of a trained speaker or singer was proof that the "gods" were speaking.
ALL of them SCAMMED with the claim that the "musical" tones coming out of musical instruments or an old wineskin (familiar spirit) was the gods speaking.
However, God warned:
Woe unto him that saith to the wood, Awake; to the dumb stone, Arise, it shall teach Behold, it is laid over with gold and silver, and there is no breath at all in the midst of it. Hab 2:19
But the Lord is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him. Hab 2:20
So the Levites stilled all the people, saying, Hold your peace, for the day is holy; neither be ye grieved. Ne.8:11
Be silent, O all flesh, before the Lord: for he is raised up out of his holy habitation. Zec.2:13
This silence is: Hacah (h2013) haw-saw'; a prim. root; to hush: - hold peace (tongue), (keep) silence, be silent, still.
Paul said the same thing while others were PROPHESYING which was to GIVE ATTENTION TO THE PUBLIC READING OF THE WORD as it had been taught:
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace (QUIET), as in all churches of the saints. 1 Cor 14:33
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 1 Cor 14:34
SINGING AND CLAPPING WITH LOOSE HAIR would be the "uncovered prophesying" Paul condemned even outside the assembly (1 Cor 11:5).
We tend to believe that you either are or are not reverent: Just don't see how you can turn it on and off to give variety to the worship ritual.
If everyone is speaking the Word of God in Corinth:
And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth. 1 Cor 14:25
Proskuneo (g4352) pros-koo-neh'-o; from 4314 and a prob. der. of 2965 (mean. to kiss, like a dog licking his master's hand); to fawn or crouch to, i.e. (lit. or fig.) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore): - worship.
Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: Heb.12:28
Aidos (g127) ahee-doce'; perh. from 1 (as a neg. particle) and 1492 (through the idea of downcast eyes); bashfulness, i.e. (towards men), modesty or (towards God) awe: - reverence, shamefacedness.
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamedfacedness and sobriety; not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 1 Ti.2:9
One of the oldest superstitions: That enthusiasm means that the usually-deviant praise leader has induce a charismatic fit. He was called the Encomiast: the praise leader.
Jesus said that the only place God looks for worship is in the human spirit devoted to His Truth. There can be no "worship leader" leading us to come "boldly before the throne of Grace."
The concept of "worship leader" is equivalent in ancient paganism to "sexual orgy leader."
Sex and music were co-conspirators in making the paying fools believe that they were worshiping God when they were just worshiping their nerve endings.
Believe me, friends, consistent with all of the musical worship leaders in the pagan world, the Seekers are not so much comming to laugh and play WITH you as to see the show and laugh AT you. At Mount Sinai when they rose up to play in musical idolatry they "became a laughingstock.
The only operative worship word in Paul's writings is in "giving heed" to the Word of Christ or "give attendance to the public reading" with both the "singing and melody" being internal as our spiritual meditation to God. Paul never commanded "singing" as an "act of worship" but the word available for any third grader is TEACH the revealed message.
Philo coined the word "enthusiasm" to mean enthus o mania. This was the frenzied excitement made obvious by loud singing, hand clapping (a show of contempt) and the goose-bump feeling of being "spiritual." Paul called it madness or being "outside of self." Don't feel superior if this happens to you because:
"Awed by the mysteries of his own spirit no less than by those of nature, primitive man was likely to attribute to divine influence
any abnormal emotional state, whether above or below the usual level. Medicine men customarily went into states of trance in which they were believed to be in communication with the gods,
and many tribes supposed lunatics and sexual deviants to be divinely possessed.
The music, drama and dance is almost totally reserved for the homosexual Dionysic worship which was what the clergy wanted to get Jesus into by "piping" and trying to make him sing and dance to disqualify Himself.
"In most early societies, moreover, men evolved techniques for deliberately inducing the abnormal forms of consciousness in which they supposed themselves to achieve union with divine power, sometimes by the use of drugs and other physiological stimuli, sometimes by hypnotic dances (pacing, hand waving, clapping, effeminate movements, shouting) and music.
The wild utterances to which they gave vent on such occasions were regarded as the words of a god and were interpreted as divine commands or predictions of future events." (Parkes, p. 32-33).
"Many peoples attributed any violent or unusual emotion to one of the gods as a matter of course; the individual was then no longer held responsible for his actions, though the gods were sometimes mischievous or even malevolent and the result might be catastrophic." (Parkes, p. 33).
David's common praise was:
Halal (h1984) haw-lal'; a prim. root; to be clear (orig. of sound, but usually of color); to shine; hence to make a show, to boast; and thus to be (clamorously) foolish; to rave; causat. to celebrate; also to stultify: - (make) boast (self), celebrate, commend, (deal, make), fool (- ish, -ly), glory, give [light], be (make, feign self) mad (against), give in marriage, [sing, be worthy of] praise, rage, renowned, shine.
Heylel (h1966) hay-lale'; from 1984 (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star: - lucifer.
The kings were chosen to lead the nation into captivity and destruction!
"I have often seen a man (actor)-- and have been amazed to see, and the amazement has ended in contempt, to think how he is one thing internally, but outwardly counterfeits what he is not--
giving himself excessive airs of daintiness and indulging in all sorts of effeminacy;
somethines darting his eyes about;
sometimes throwing his hands hither and thither,
and raving with his face smeared with mud (sweat, spit and dust); sometimes personating Aphrodite (female), sometimes Apollo (male); a solitary accuser of all the gods, an epitome of superstition, a vituperator of heroic deeds, an actor of murders, a chronicler of adultery,
a storehouse of madness, a teacher of cynaedi, an instigator of capital sentences;-- and yet such a man is praised by all. But I have rejected all his falsehoods, his impiety, his practices,--in short, the man altogether.
But you are led captive by such men,
while you revile those who do not take a part in your pursuits.
But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows, Mt 11:16
And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented. Mt.11:17
I have no mind to stand agape at a number of singers, nor do I desire to be affected in sympathy with
a man when he is winking and gesticulating in an unnatural manner."...
"Why should I admire the mythic piper... We leave you to these worthless things; and do you believe our doctrines, or, like us, give up yours." (Tatian to the Greeks, Ante-Nicene, Vol. II, p. 75).
And so we repeat: what is being adopted from the most ancient paganism is not a New Emerging Church of Christ. What you see is people with A Different God, A Different Christ, a Different Bible and therefore a DIFFERENT RELIGION. Some with minimal honesty take the name of Christ off their sign.
So again these same persons,
if any admirable musician come amongst them,
leave all that they had in hand, which often is necessary and pressing business,
and mount the steps (in the arena), and sit listening very attentively to the words and the accompaniments, and criticising the agreement of the two.
This is what the many do.
"Again; those who are skilled in rhetoric do just the same with respect to the sophists,
for they too have their theaters, and their audience, and clappings of hands, and noise, and closest criticism of what is said. (The Levites made NOISE, not music)
"And if in the case of rhetoricians, musicians, and athletes, people sit in the one case to look on, in the other to see at once and to listen with such earnest attention;
what zeal, what earnestness ought ye in reason to display,
Ezekiel also prophesied that the music and musicians of Tyre would be cast into sheol. It is not coincidental that forcing people to honor the theatrical performers rather than hearing God through His Word is often related to breaking down the walls to allow the enemy to come in and, perhaps, pick up some of the financial load. Ezekiel said however, speaking for God, that:
They will plunder your wealth and loot your merchandise; they will break down your walls and demolish your fine houses and throw your stones, timber and rubble into the sea. Ezek 26:12
I will put an end to your noisy songs, and the music of your harps will be heard no more. Ezek 26:13
The LXX is more forceful in showing that both the music and the musicians would be silenced--
"And he shall destroy the multitude of thy musicians, and the sound of thy psalteries shall be heard no more." Ezek. 26:13 LXX
then I will bring you down with those who go down to the pit, to the people of long ago. I will make you dwell in the earth below, as in ancient ruins, with those who go down to the pit, and you will not return or take your place in the land of the living. Ezek 26:20
Also, thou son of man, the children of thy people still are talking against thee by the walls and in the doors of the houses, and speak one to another, every one to his brother, saying, Come, I pray you, and hear what is the word that cometh forth from the Lord. Ezek 33:30
- And they come unto thee as the people cometh,
- and they sit before thee as my people,
- and they hear thy words,
- but they will not do them:
- for with their mouth they shew much love,
- but their heart goeth after their covetousness. Ezek 33: 31
And, lo, thou art unto them as a very lovely song
- of one that hath a pleasant voice,
- and can play well on an instrument:
- for they hear thy words,
- but they do them not. Ezek 33: 32
And when this cometh to pass, (lo, it will come,) then shall they know that a prophet hath been among them. Ezek 33: 33
But of Jesus:
when it is no musician or debater who now comes forward to a trial of skill,
Fred Peatross: Clapping or raising hands in worship shouldn't be a major worship issue. It is merely part of permitting a free and spontaneous response to the glory and greatness of God. One of the important things about life in the body of Christ is learning to discern between the mountains and the molehills or between the majors and the minors. This "hands" business is clearly one of the molehills.
That is true. They why should people make it an issue, sow discord and expose the church to ridicule? By taking the advantage of the "wormhole of indecision" of the PostModern mind, and by giving permission for somethint which will "turn off" most adults, one truly makes use of THE LAW OF SILENCE.
Clapping hands is a work of human hands. It is one of the oldest forms of "instrumental" (weaponry) means to arouse, as in Voodoo, the paying audience through mind manipulation to make them believe that what is suitable for a football game will do its magical work on God or, as Nimrod believed, "make spiritual changes through external means."
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Act 17:24
Neither is worshipped with mens hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; Ac.17:25
Hand clapping throughout the Bible and in secular history is a primary way to show contempt. And "in church" when we sing our own songs with an anamilistic jungle beat we are attempting to 'triumph over' Jesus.
You can raise your hands in helplessness or in "bowing" to the Word or Oracle of God but when you wave your hand around you are "massaging" your nerve endings and when you, as the Vineyard lady says along with most pagan religions, reach your climax with the spirit you are polluting or prostituting worship which occurs only "in spirit" which is in the human mand.
In Justin's Dialog with Trypho the Jew he translates Amos:
Who applaud at the sound of the musical instruments;
- they reckon them as stable, and not as fleeting.
- Who drink wine in bowls, and anoint themselves with the chief ointments,
- but they are not grieved for the affliction of Joseph.
- We do know that Jesus read the Septuagint which reads:
- who excel in the sound of musical instruments;
- they have regarded them as abiding,
- not as fleeting pleasure." Amos 6:5 LXX
The Post Modern "Vision" in Fred's Chapter 31 reads: "Without Vision the People Perish."
However, the old "modern" version of vision read:
Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he. Prov 29:18
We are aware that some Post Moderns claim to be 'prophets' or 13th Apostles. However, the vision God had in mind was from His Spirit:
Chazown (g2377) khaw-zone'; from 2372; a sight (mentally), i. e. a dream, revelation, or oracle: - vision.
And the Lord answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it. Hab. 2:2
Mischief shall come upon mischief, and rumour shall be upon rumour; then shall they seek a vision of the prophet; but the law shall perish from the priest, and counsel from the ancients. Eze.7:26
What Happens When The Writing Prophets are Replaced with Human Vision.
The visions of your prophets were false and worthless; they did not expose your sin to ward off your captivity. The oracles they gave you were false and misleading. Lam 2:14
All who pass your way clap their hands at you; they scoff and shake their heads at the Daughter of Jerusalem (Sodom Rev 11:8): "Is this the city that was called the perfection of beauty, the joy of the whole earth?" Lam. 2:15
Arise, cry out in the night: in the beginning of the watches pour out thine heart like water before the face of the Lord:
lift up thy hands toward him for the life of thy young children,
that faint for hunger in the top of every street. Lam.2:19
Let us lift up our heart with our hands unto God in the heavens. Lam.3:41
Behold, therefore I am going to give you to the people of the East (see the nature of those who have captured you) as a possession. They will set up their camps and pitch their tents among you; they will eat your fruit and drink your milk. Ezek 25:4
I will turn Rabbah into a pasture for camels and Ammon into a resting place for sheep. Then you will know that I am the LORD. Ezek 25:5
For this is what the Sovereign LORD says: Because you have clapped your hands and stamped your feet, rejoicing with all the malice of your heart against the land of Israel, Ezek 25:6
Therefore I will stretch out mine hand upon thee, and will deliver thee for a spoil to the heathen; and I will cut thee off from the people, and I will cause thee to perish out of the countries: I will destroy thee; and thou shalt know that I am the Lord. Eze. 25:7
This is what the Sovereign LORD says: 'Because Moab and Seir said, "Look, the house of Judah has become like all the other nations," Ezekiel 25:8
That was the fulfillment of the prophecy when Israel's elders "fired" God and wanted a human king to be like all ofher nations;
Fred Peatross: In 1834, John Rogers wrote a letter to Alexander Campbell expressing his concern that the people of the restoration churches had become imbalanced. He wrote, "Many of us in running away from the extreme of enthusiasm, have on the other hand, passed the temperate zone and gone far into the frozen regions. There is, in too many churches, a cold-hearted, lifeless formality that freezes the energies."
Well, Fred, here is the whole story:
"Fires were then built in the middle of these scaffolds of dry wood, and thus a good light was afforded to the whole congregation. The stand was furnished with candles. I highly enjoyed the meeting. It was a great pleasure to me to hear the other men, and leaders in the worship, sing and pray, and preach the Word, and also to sit at their feet in the private circle and hear them converse about the things of God - the interests of the cause in which we were engaged. On Sunday night Bro. Watson Clarke and I were appointed to deliver our trial speeches before the conference and the large audience present. Bro. Clarke was to be the preacher and I the exhorter.
It was a great trial to me to speak upon any occasion, but doubly so to speak before such an assembly of preachers, several of them men of age, ability and learning. Bro. Clarke preached without, as I thought, much embarrassment. I sat behind him trembling with fear. He closed, and with my heart fluttering with agitation I arose and commenced my exhortation.
Very few present had ever heard me. I have no recollection of what I said, as I had nothing specially prepared. I was young, beardless, ignorant, but my heart was full of the great theme of redemption.
So it was, I had not spoken long till the whole camp was ablaze of feeling. The first thing I knew David Purviance and David Wallace were dancing behind me in the stand,
shouting at the top of their voices.
And in a few minutes the entire area before the stand was filled with men and women dancing and shouting.
The result was I was silenced and gave place to the preachers and people to carry on the meeting as seemed good to them. I had not attempted to preach, but I received license at that conference to exercise my talents in "such way as God may direct."
Does any say, "This was all very disgusting and there could have been no piety there?" This is very hasty and ill-judged.
The times and views of the people then were very different from what they are now.
We have more light on some important practical subjects than they had, but I doubt if we have as much piety or spirituality. If they were upon the extreme of enthusiasm, we are on the extreme of cold formality.
Describing music at Cane Ridge, Conkin notes that: (For the Book)
"Sinners dropping down on every hand, shrieking, groaning, crying for mercy, convoluted; professors of religion praying, agonizing, fainting, falling down in distress, for sinners, or in raptures of joy!
Some singing, some shouting, clapping their hands, hugging and even kissing, laughing; others talking to the distressed, to one another, or to opposers of the work, and all this at once--no spectacle can recite a stronger sensation.
And with what is doing, the darkness of the night, the solemnity of the place, and of the occasion, and conscious guilt, all conspire to make terror thrill through every power of the soul, and rouse it to awful attention." (Letter quoted by Conkin, Cane Ridge, p. 93-94).
"Soon the sheer confusion practically subverted the outdoor preaching.
Small groups joined in prayer or in loud hymn singing, with singing the most enjoyable group activity and the one that often most affected an audience... More conventional shouts and groans joined with a near babble of speech, some incoherent, some later distinguished as holy laughter or singing." (Conkin, p. 94).
The theme of music and charismatic ecstasy (out of the mind) is consistent throughout history and the Bible: the theme of redemption gives way to attempting to worship God with the practices of the dance hall.
Fred Peatross: Even Campbell, who championed a rational approach to Christianity, raised similar concerns on several occasions. "Christianity certainly is an intellectual matter," he wrote in 1837,
"but religion dwelling in the heart, rooted in the feelings and affections, is living, active, and a real existence….This is Christianity all the rest is machinery."
This would NOT lead Campbell to fall under a witchcraft (or Devil Worship) ritual. NO FEELINGS ARE HIGHER than those aroused by "A holy spirit" created by devotion to the WORDS of THE Infinite God of the universe.
Religion to Campbell is not what we know of today. Campbell would have identified it by his scholarship as the most ancient form of superstitious paganism.
See Hand Clapping and Brain Washing.
Alexander Campbell--and All Restoration Movement Churches
"The machinery of modern revivals is not divine, but human. It is certainly divisive. They are undoubtedly deceived who repose the slightest confidence in it. The spirit of the crusades is in it--the spirit of fanaticism is in it--the spirit of delusion is in it. The Spirit of God is not in it, else he was not in the Apostles;
for he taught them no such schemes--no such means of catching men.
This is a bait which was never put by Christ's fishermen on the evangelical hook." (Alexander Campbell, quoted by Randall, p. 373)
"But in the rage of sectarian proselytism, 'the Holy Ghost' is an admirable contrivance. Every qualm of conscience, every new motion of the heart, every strange feelings or thrill--all doubts, fears, despondencies, horrors, remorse, etc., are the work of this Holy Ghost. " (Millennial Harbinger 1831:212).
"Simply that it was a peculiar form of nervous disease, that was both epidemic and contagious...
No new truths were communicated,--
no old errors corrected-
nor miraculous utterances given;
but simply an excitement, despondent or hopeful, gloomy or joyful, clear or confused, according to the convictions of the mind at the time of the attack and influence of circumstances during its continuance." (Pendelton quoted by Randall, p. 373).
"They (disorders) cannot come from God, for he is not the author of confusion. The apology made in Corinth for the disorders, which Paul condemned, was precisely the same as that urged in defense of these bodily agitations.
We ought not to resist the spirit of God, said the Corinthians; and so said all those who encouraged these convulsions.
Paul's answer is that no influence comes from God which destroys our self-control. 'The spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.'
"The prophets of God were not like the raving Pythoness of heathen temples, (From Apollo's Oracle. He is Abaddon or Apollyon the "locusts" are the resurrected MUSES or musical performers in Revelation 18)
nor are the saints of God converted into whirling dervishes by an influence which is the author.
There can be little doubt that Paul would have severely reprobated such scenes as frequently occurred during the revival of which we are speaking.
Paul used the word "mad."
"He would have said to the people substantially what he said to the Corinthians. If any unbeliever or ignorant man come to your assemblies and hears one shouting in ecstasy, and another howling in anguish; if he sees some falling, some jumping, some lying in convulsions, others in trances, will he not say ye are mad?" (Hodge, History Presbyterian Church quoted in Barton W. Stones' Biography, p. 368, 369)
Fred Peatross: John Rogers' and Alexander Campbell's concern is as significant today as it was in the nineteenth century. Consequently, I've decided I'm going to oil my machinery before we assemble next Lord's Day and give my emotions the permission and freedom to emerge from the closet they've been closed up in.
Go to it fred, but remember that Campbell said that the charismatic revivalism was the "well oiled machinery is divisive, deceptive and fanatical."
"The machinery of modern revivals is not divine, but human. It is certainly divisive. They are undoubtedly deceived who repose the slightest confidence in it. The spirit of the crusades is in it--the spirit of fanaticism is in it--the spirit of delusion is in it.
Jesus said, leave your prayers in the closet! That is good enough for me.
Fred Peatross: Watch for me. I'll be the one with hands raised high, as I exalt the God of the universe. Will you join me?
I will be the one flat on my face in front of a Holy Spirit God Who isn't worshiped with the product of man's hands, does not judge by what he sees or by what He hears (Isaial 11:1-4) and Who would acknowledge the "rising up" with hand clapping as a show of contempt for His holiness. If you don't bow now, you will bow later!
Not above the waist (unless you are a high priest.) A stand up commedian noted how hard it was to keep from being identified as gay by raising his hands above his shoulders.
Alan Morrison writes:
"A devastating ecclesiastical crisis has been unfolding during the last three decades in the realm of worship. One can hardly fail to notice that there has been something of a 'revolution' in church worship during this time. Central to this upheaval has been a bumper-sized bandwagon of new songs -- and one is either travelling on this bandwagon or not.
To be off it is to be left out in the cold.
Moreover, to resist this bandwagon will inevitably bring accusations of "not keeping up with the times",
of "resisting the move of the Spirit" of "hampering the process of inevitable revival", etc.
"So many of the New Style of Worship songs trivialise the high truths of salvation. Many are in a style which is simply not suited to the holy spirituality which is due to our God. Moreover, due to their pietistic, subjectivist roots, many of today's songs
are highly self-centred in their expression, and they pursue an almost obsessive musical celebration of "Me and My Wonderful Feelings" rather than the Lord and His amazing works.
"Moreover, many of the New Style of Worship songs appear to have been designed to put a congregation into a state of blissful ecstasy --
especially if sung repetitively, as they most often are.
This induces a pre-hypnotic 'Alpha-wave' brain-state condition,
in which people are more easily susceptible to the expectations and the powerful suggestions of influential leaders. These are ideas which we will be developing.
"In fact, many of the songs of today are pursuing an agenda which is not immediately apparent to the casual observer --
that is, until you know the 'buzz' words and phrases. Dynamic triggers such as "I'm building a people of power" --
a reference to the triumphalist, pseudo-miracle-working, 'Kingdom-Now' Dominionism which is so prevalent among the New Style of Worship songwriters --
are like rallying-calls to those suggestible enough to receive them. [Lucian called them "fat heads and simpletons]
Or what about the line "My feet start dancing, my hands rise up"? The agenda is clear enough here.
When repeated often enough over a period of time, these ideas begin to exert a real sway over the singer.
"None of this has happened in a vacuum but is surely part of a major downgrade or even part of a much wider apostasy of mind-blowing proportions.
Yet, because of the stealth-like manner in which this is being executed, comparatively few professing Christians are aware of the seriousness of the issue.
So, if you see this emerging in your church of Christ, Baptist, etc., know that it is restoration of the Apollo (Abaddon, Apollyon) end-time Babylon Harlot: Lucifer.
And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. Revelation 9:3
And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. Revelation 9:11
He is the king of the Seeker Center at DELPHI. He is the father of harmony, music, twanging arrows: He is the DESTROYER emerging with his locusts to EAT UP ALL OF YOUR CROPS!
And the Voodoo Connection:
By 1810 the slave trade to the United States had officially ended and the slave population began to increase naturally, making way for the preservation and transmission of religious practices that were, by this time, truly "African-American."
This transition coincided with the period of intense religious revivalism known as "awakenings." In the southern states, where the institution of slavery still prevailed,
increasing numbers of slaves converted to evangelical religions such as the Methodist and Baptist faiths.
Many clergy within these denominations actively promoted the idea that all Christians were equal in the sight of God, a message that provided hope and sustenance to the slaves.
They also encouraged worship in ways that many Africans found to be similar, or at least adaptable, to African worship patterns, with enthusiastic singing, clapping, dancing, and even spirit-possession.
In the slave quarters, however, African Americans organized their own "invisible institution." Through signals, passwords, and messages not discernible to whites, they called believers to "hush harbors" where they freely mixed African rhythms, singing, and beliefs with evangelical Christianity.
It was here that the spirituals, with their double meanings of religious salvation and freedom from slavery, developed and flourished; and here, too, that black preachers, those who believed that God had called them to speak his Word, polished their "chanted sermons,"
or rhythmic intoned style of extemporaneous preaching. Part church, part psychological refuge, and part organizing point for occasional acts of outright rebellion (Nat Turner, whose armed insurrection in Virginia in 1831 resulted in the deaths of scores of white men, women, and children, was a self-styled Baptist preacher), these meetings provided one of the few ways for enslaved African Americans to express and enact their hopes for a better future.
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Rodney Howard-Browne himself has stated that he doesn't care if the devil is present at the meetings. He comments:
"You can't have revival without stirring up the flesh....When revival comes you will see manifestations of these three things in meetings: (1) the Holy Spirit; (2) the flesh, and (3) the devil. But, I'd rather be in a church where the devil and the flesh are manifesting than in a church where nothing is happening because people are too afraid to manifest anything...Don't worry about it. And if a devil manifests, don't worry about that, either. Rejoice, because at least something is happening!" [Rodney Howard-Browne, "The Coming Revival" (1991), page 6]
Kenneth Sublett, Reviewer. Just thought that there is one who knows the agenda. We will look at some more of Fred's pixels as follow up.
Fred Peatross: Clapping and Raising hands.
Fred Peatross: The Church as Spectacle
Fred Peatross: Was Jesus a pary kind of guy who manufactured and dispensed alcoholic wine. So said the Adversaries of Jesus.
Escaping God's Grace into Legalism: the Musical Burden
Christ Died To Give us Rest
Hand Clapping to Replace the Amen: Rubel Shelly
Heredotus and Hand Clapping: Background to Mount Sinai
Musical Worship Index
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