repudiates that message from Paul (who just made it up
the Post-Modern, 21st century, latter day apostles):
challenge is that the "transformational journey" of the
era that ended in the 20th
no longer works for 21st century people.
Since we are not
God, He gave us a way to
transform ourselves. The
only part of
the transforming or regenerating journey humanity can
is to plant the seed and water it.
If you are planting the
sentimental seed of a
sentimental poet then you are not planting the Divine seed and
will reep corruption.
If you are not watering
people with the water
of the Word then you are allowing them to dry and die of
thirst for the Word. That was the result of the musical sin of
5, 6 and Isaiah 5.
The era after
the Christendom era
is the Millenium: it is Christ-rejecting premillenialism.
Are we in
the millenium? Did the Jubilee really usher in the kingdom
as it is in heaven. If not, then we are in the same era of Christendom
one second after midnight as we were one second before
Based on the meaning of
Post Modernism the
Bible was part of the Modern era and Christendom was part of
Therefore, it is not
stretching the facts to
say that to most Post-Modern philosophers, CHRISTENDOM ALSO
The DEATH OF GOD and a move into schizophrenis are tenets of
Modern views of unoccupied philosophers who use the Shelly
strain out everything from the Bible but a few bare facts.
Nothing, but a brain-warp,
has happened between
the church of my youth and the church of today. Every self-centered generation sees itself as THE
focal point of all
history: all that went before me were barbarians. However, God
reserved "MY" clan to tell you that 2,000 of church history is
END and the "one true church" is emerging to let you express
emotions in clapping hands.
This generation is
absolutely so certain that
God reserved the GRACE word for them to discover that they, as
warned, see liberty as license.
Fred is recommending a counter-Paul,
counter-Spiritual method of letting the "church" transform
people by a
contrived "transformational journey" which we once sold you
we want to sell you the 21st century, latest model which
what we told you last century. But old Paul is right there
that Fred and all of the preachers and programs and "works of
"spirit" which is approached only
by Spirit word:
righteousness which we
have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the
and renewing of the (OUR) Holy Spirit; Titus 3:5 (Our spirit
hands is the "works of
human hands." Waving hands over the head is not the lifting
PALMS UPWARD as a sign that one was giving heed to the Word
If the arms swing loose while the performer manipulates
ending in the body, you are lifting unholy ARMs.
to the Grace-Centered
species of human kind, the emerging church does not now give
permission to "become as much like the world as possible to
the old, pre-Grace-Centered era the Bible "sifted
philosophy and the writer's personal agenda" once said after
"crucify the flesh and burn it up on the altar."
let's say it again
because some things don't stick to the emerging group who
discovered grace ant the Towers of Babylon:
be not conformed
by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what
is that good, and acceptable, and perfect will of God. Ro.12:2
God still have a will?
Is that expressed in commands? How do we know in the
of the absolute certainties
from the Towers of Babylon down to modern medical science is
cannot do anything with your rational mind (nous) while
body worship has totally shut it down.
which cause we
faint not; but though our outward man perish,
is renewed day by
day. 2 Co.4:16
on the new man, which is renewed
in knowledge after the image of him
that created him:
also hath made us able
ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of
for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. 2
if any man be in
Christ, he is a new
things are become new. 2 Co.5:17
that ye put on the new
which after God is created in righteousness
you go Post Modern, you
are forced to repudiated the Word of God. And when you do
may attempt ancient "body renewing" out of a sense of
However, Paul said that you will never be renewed again:
shall fall away, to renew
them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to
themselves the Son
of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Heb.6:6
waving or clapping is
"stirring up the fesh" to life again.
is more proof: Jesus
that God does
not even look for us in the physical PLACE. Rather, the
meeting God in the Most Holy Place (naos) is in our spirit
which is the nous.
you attack the body you
are, according to Aldos Huxley reaching all of the way to
engaged in emotional masturbation. See
Lynn Anderson: Dancing on the Rim.
you reject the Words of
Christ, there is no renewing and the eternal "patternism"
is to take
as many with you as possible.
it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the
heavenly gift, and
made partakers of the Holy Ghost, Heb 6:4
have tasted the good word of God,
the powers of the world to
come, Heb 6:5
they shall fall
away, to renew
unto repentance; seeing they crucify to
themselves the Son of
God afresh, and put him
to an open shame.
we are "in Christ" and He
is he Head of the Boby and we fornicate, we force Jesus
participate. If our "bodies" and "hands" are not dead in
self-elevating way, then the death of Christ hasn't
you sell people hand
clapping as an emerging way to transform people's lives
then you HAVE
fallen away from the Word (Post-Modern Confesses the
guilt) and YOU
WILL NEVER GET UP AGAIN: THUS SAITH THE LORD.
to Fred, the church as
spiritual kingdom which none of its enemies can see because
"within you," is warned against being contemporary with the
and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge
and of Jesus
our Lord, 2 Pet 1:2
divine power hath given
unto us all things that pertain unto life and
of him that
hath called us to glory and virtue: 2 Pet 1:3
unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by
these ye might
be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped
in the world through lust. 2 Pe.1:4
has told us He will
meet us individually or by "twos or threes." However, when
we make a
public, body worship performance out of our worship we are
outselves and the Spirit God on display publically:
par-ad-igue-mat-id'-zo; from 3844 and 1165; to
show alongside (the
i.e. expose to
infamy;- make a public example, put to an open shame.
body worship claiming to
represent Christ is putting Him to an open shame because
He would not
participate and had the fact recorded. Furthermore, you
put Him to an
open shame by trying to use Him like a puppet speaking
only thing which has
happened is that preacher's programs like the pyramidal
curse imposed by God upon the monarchy period to destroy them,
didn't it work?
Because of the sermonizing and versifying of Bible and
thought. This caused spiritual blindness and in Amos and
music gives rise to "hungering and thirsting for the Word."
same people who repudiate
the Word of Christ in Song and Sermon, feeling their "place"
they will always
promote 'holy theater' to fool the fools so that they can
the payroll for which the Bible has no "office."
radical OBSOLETING the
preaching task (which was never part of a "worship" ritual is
part of Post-Modernism. Preaching is an "outreach" effort but
been transformed in the 'modern' era as a denominational
pastor" role and evangelism has been replaced with a restored
pyramidal ministry system.
the scribe grew obsolete
when people learned to write, public cut N paste preaching
more than obsolete when people learned to read their $2.00
Arnobius writing (A.D. 297-303)
Ridicules instrumental music
in worship notes the ongoing "Patternism" of the
speak out more truly, the augurs,
interpreters, the soothsayers, the prophets, and the priestlings, ever vain, have
devised these fables; for
fearing that their own arts be brought to nought, and that they may extort
but scanty contributions from the devotees, now few and infrequent,
they have found you to
that their craft
the Gods are neglected, and
the temples there is now a very thin attendance. For ceremonies are exposed
the time-honoured rites of
the superstitions of new
from their inborn
to see even
that which is placed in open light,
to assert in
what you in your sane mind do not blush to believe. (Arnobius Against the
Heathen, Ante-Nicene Fathers,
VI, p. 418).
But is it only
whom you have
thought proper to allow to invent unseemly tales about the gods,
and to turn them shamefully into sport? (Hand
clapping is making sport or reveling)
do your pantomimists, the actors,
that crowd of mimics
and adulterers? Do they
not abuse your gods to make to themselves
not the others find enticing pleasures in the wrongs and
insults offered to the gods?
the public games, too, the colleges of all the priests
and magistrates take their places, the chief Pontiffs, and the chief priests of the curiae;
the Quindecemviri take their places, crowned
with wreaths of laurel,
with their mitres;
take their places,
who disclose the divine
mind and will
also, who cherish and guard the ever-burning
But this crime is not enough: the
persons of the most sacred gods
are mixed up with farces
also, and scurrilous plays.
that the idle
onlookers may be excited
to laughter and jollity,
the deities are hit at in jocular quips, the spectators shout and rise up, the whole pit
resounds with the clapping of hands and applause.
Peatross: These feelings can be
expressed in various
Some Christians clap their hands in
to the music;
although, those of us who are rhythmically challenged
sit on them. Some raise their hands when they pray or
are but two of the ways we express our feelings toward
us make it clear to the
foggy: there is no connection between "music" and the worship
purely (holy) Spirit God in the entirety of God's dealing with
mankind. Blowing 120 trumpets in unison is not music. Music is
the secular parties and includes dance and the end-time
Harlot worship of Revelation 18 -- emerging in a church in
- In Justin's
Dialog with Trypho the Jew he translates Amos:
- Who applaud at the sound of the musical
reckon them as stable, and not as fleeting.
drink wine in bowls, and anoint themselves with the
they are not grieved for the affliction of Joseph.
do know that Jesus read the Septuagint which reads:
- who excel in the sound of musical
have regarded them as abiding,
- not as fleeting
pleasure." Amos 6:5 LXX
The external "melody" with
the clapping of
hands is to fortify the false teaching. The feelings induced
clapping and not the result is a drug high and not caused by a
True, there is music but it
always says: "We
will not listen to the Word of God." Sure, there is the music
of the warriors
blowing trumpets, twacking harp strings and twanging bow
However, consistent with all that we know in the modern age
such noise (as God calls it) it is "lading the enemy down with
spiritual anxiety" in order to make them turn into cowards.
of warfare, those who wanted to get your carnal lust flowing
the "works of human hands" in clapping or lifting, this was
powerful weapon of the prostitute. Both the king/queen of Tyre
Babylon were harp-playing prostitutes because music could and
seduce you out of your entire bank account: it happens in may
This artificial "worship"
uses the manipulation
of the body and its senses to get into the Voodoo-derived
this changes the emotions without letting your rational
mind know what is taking place.
Preachers love music because
a bit of
drug-injection through music can hide a multitude of sins and
exegesis in sermonizing which is just as unscriptural as
our human sentimental feelings: using our personal experiences
people up with a non-Biblical authority: "Me."
Peatross: The raising of hands is certainly one of
not the only one. There are numerous positions that the
acknowledges as appropriate for prayer and worship. One
kneel, stand, lie prostrate, or raise hands receptively
while realizing that none of these postures makes one
or his worship more acceptable. These are simply human ways of inclining ourselves
to the living God, a way of
bringing our physical posture in line with our spiritual
actions can be helpful for us in our prayer lives and worship experiences.
That is true, but raising my
hands in prayer is not for me
my more spiritual feelings than others. Lifting up the palms of the
hands at about belt
level is the
preamble to reading or
reciting the Word of God.
If you are singing Sister
latest "inspiration" which is erotic because it drives you
physical reaction, then you don't grasp the meaning of
Contrary to the new "grace
Jesus said as Incarnate God that this repudiates grace. Making
worship TIME AND PLACE specific in non-Biblical acts
Christ who died to tear down the walls and allow each
come boldly before the throne of Grace. That time and place is
human mind or spirit.
and opening the innocent palms toward God is symbolic
prelude to hearing directly from God through His inspired Word:
> And Ezra blessed the
Lord, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen,
Amen, with lifting up their
hands: and they
bowed their heads, and worshipped the Lord with their faces to the ground. Neh 8:6
Jeshua, and Bani, and Sherebiah,
Jamin, Akkub, Shabbethai, Hodijah, Maaseiah, Kelita,
Jozabad, Hanan, Pelaiah, and the Levites, caused the people to
and the people
stood in their place. Neh 8:7
in the book in the
law of God distinctly,
and caused them
I. Ephraim Syrus
On a certain day a pearl did
I take up, my brethren; I saw in it mysteries pertaining to
the Kingdom; semblances and types
of the Majesty;
it became a fountain, and I drank out of it
mysteries of the Son.
put it, my
of my hand, that I might examine it: I went to look at it
on one side, and it proved
faces on all sides. I found out that the Son was incomprehensible, since He is wholly
It was greater
to me than the
for I was astonied
thereat: I saw therein folds without shadow to them because
it was a
daughter of light,
without lips, a silent
that without voice
gave out melodies.
The trumpet falters
and the thunder mutters; be not thou daring
then; leave things
seen in the clear sky a second shower; the clefts of thine
from the clouds, they
are filled with interpretations.
This was a restoration of
function in the land. If you read or sing your own silly,
praise songs and perform what Aldos Huxley called "emotional
masturbation" with clapping or raising of hands you cannot
the "hand raising" without grasping that this is "lifting my
the Oracle or Word of God."
Please don't ever quote
raising HOLY hands without
"worship" to him meant
the same thing: To Timothy: "Give
to the public reading of
the Word, to doctrine to
> I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and
doubting. 1 Ti.
the woman learn
with all subjection. 1 Ti. 2: 11
not a woman to
nor to usurp
authority over the man, but to be in silence 1 Ti. 2: 12
hand lifted high is a sign
of usurping authority over the masculine component of
congregation. And it usurps authoriity from God.
no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example
of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit,
in faith, in purity. 1 Ti 4:12
devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to preaching
(exhortation) and to teaching
Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to
profiting may appear to all. 1 Tim 4:15
means to "revolve
in the mind."
This has no "Christian"
connection to singing
human compositions (the Pharisee pattern), clapping hands
hands in the air as we are "lifted up" or carried beyond
does not define a
ritualistic Act of Worship where everyone lifts holy
that all texts have a context:
I am ordained a preacher
and an apostle, (I speak the truth in
Christ, and lie
a teacher of the Gentiles in faith
verity. 1 Ti
says: "Because I teach the
truth as a herald,
I would be unholy if I 'opened the message and changed it.' Therefore, the
teachers of the flock are not
Ministers of Raising hands. Rather, they are "orthodox" and repeat what they
have been taught.
therefore that men pray every where, holy hands, without wrath and
doubting (debate). 1 Ti.
up HOLY hands is from the Greek
Hosios (g3741) hos'-ee-os; of
prop. right (by
or divine character; thus distinguished from
1342, which refers rather to
human statutes and relations: from 2413, which denotes
consecration; and from 40, which relates to purity from
i.e. hallowed (pious, sacred, sure): - holy, mercy, shalt
to give everyone
permission to "lift up holy hands" as an act of song or
violates this specific limitation by Paul.
Lifting up holy hands is to
lift up "orthodox"
elder is to
"teach the Word as it has been taught." If he does
otherwise he is
not lifting up holy or orthodox hands:
Lifting: Anorthoo (g461) an-orth-o'-o;
from 303 and a
der. of the base of 3717; to straighten up: - lift (set)
wrath: Orge (g3709) or-gay'; from
3713; prop. desire (as a reaching forth or excitement of the mind), i.e. (by anal)
no man deceive
you with vain
for because of
these things cometh the wrath
of God upon the children of disobedience. Ep.5:6
Oreogomai (g3713) or-eg'-om-ahee'
mid. of appar.
a prol. form of an obsol. prim. [comp. 3735]; to stretch oneself, i.e. reach out after (long for): - covet
g3735 is "reaching up like a
Wherefore lift up the
and the feeble
(g3717) or-thos'; prob. from the base of 3735; right (as
i.e. (perpendicularly) erect (fig. honest), or (horizontally) level or direct: - straight, upright.
or-thot-om-eh'-o' from a comp.
of 3717 and the base of 5114; to make a straight cut, i.e. (fig.) to dissect (expound)
correctly (the divine
to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that
needeth not to be
the word of truth. 2Ti.2:15
Here is why prayer is not
a to be seen ritual:
a hypocrite is
an actor. And if
we have to sow
discord among brethren just to force them to watch me
lift my holy (or
unholy?) hands then we
are so intent on repudiating Christ that we may fall into
when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to
and in the
corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you,
They have their reward.
Now, Jesus could have
said: "Pray in public without
being a hypocrite" but that is an oxymoron.
thou, when thou
enter into thy
when thou hast shut
thy door, pray
Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall
thee openly. Matthew 6:6
he was withdrawn from them about a
stones cast, and kneeled down,
and prayed, Matthew 22:41
This does not mean that we cannot pray
others but it does mean that prayer is not an "act" of
I, so spiritual, can offend you by
waving my hands in the air
like I am
trying to be an antenna to make my prayer more powerful.
It would appear that such
hand waving would
violate the direct
Jesus. Furthermore, it
would violate his approved
because such activity when
I am trying to sing or pray is offensive to me, we might infer that
it is wrong.
Peatross: Recently, I
had a conversation with a worship leader from a congregation in
Ohio. He provided me with a
good set of connections
between the physical posture in raising
hands during worship and the mental/spiritual processes
well accompany them.
First, let's us agree that "worship leader" is an oxymoron. The
Babylonians had their song leaders,
prayers, praise leaders and prostitutes to "bring you into the presence of God."
said that worship is not in the PLACE of Gerazim or Zion.
PLACE is the human spirit or mind and the resource is the Word
Spirit of truth.
You cannot LEAD me in
worship (unless you read
the Word) any more than you can participate in making love to
wife. Worship is in the "holy place" where no worship leader
dare to go. And if he dares to try to go there today we might
that he has already been thrust through the heart with the
What Fred is trying to
analyze is various forms
of "worship ritual" which Jesus died to remove. It is my (big
trying to win out over you (little billy goat) to be king of
in defining "acceptable" forms for the worship with human
Peatross: Think about what position your arms
would be in
you were standing and offering a bulky, but not
gift to someone. Your arms would be outstretched
shoulder width (or
further apart), perhaps waist high, with your palms up.
worshipping/singing and "offering" yourself or your
gifts to Christ,
your hands and arms could be in this position.
is a fact. And if you
raise your hands above your shoulders and wave them around you
just going to endanger
gender identification. Furthermore, only the
high priest was allowed to
lift his hands up to the shoulders.
Jews and Arabs lift up
their hands as if reading their documents because they have
memorized it. People "in church"
still open their hands during prayer but they cannot possibly
them around in the air and be praying to God at the same time.
there is no
God-connected evidence that we can or should do this as a
activity. Don't we sing "Nothing in my hands I bring"? Sure. We have nothing
in our open
hands as a sign of power. Rather, our spiritual sacrifice is
of the lips as we
lift up our palms.
lifting holy hands was not
a panicky attempt to find the lost God or help
the worshiper into the presence of
God. It was to denounce
one's personal worth
and talent and turn silent, awe-struck attention toward God
Holy, unalterable Word--
hands also will
lift up unto thy commandments, which I have loved;
I will meditate
(h7881) see-khaw'; fem. of 7878; reflection; by extens.
devotion: - meditation, prayer.
eyes prevent the night watches,
that I might meditate
I poured out my complaint before him; I shewed before him my
remember the days of old; I meditate on all thy works; I muse (h7878)
on the work of thy hands. Ps.143:5
Hagah (h1897) haw-gaw'; a
prim. root [comp.
1901]; to murmur (in pleasure or anger); by impl. to
imagine, meditate, mourn, mutter, roar, * sore, speak,
> And as the people were in
and all men mused
their hearts of John,
whether he were the Christ, or not; Luke 3:15
dee-al-og-id'-zom-ahee; from 1223 and 3049;
to reckon thoroughly, i.e. (gen.) to deliberate (by
discussion): - cast in mind, consider, dispute, muse, reason, think.
how love I thy law it is my meditation all the day. Ps.119:97
Thou through thy commandments hast made me wiser than
mine enemies: for they are
ever with me. Ps 119:98
> I have
more understanding than all my teachers:
up my hands
which denotes not only a vehement desire towards them (Ps.
will lay hold of
one afraid of
missing them, or letting
but a close
application of mind to the observance of them&emdash;
"I will lay my hands to the
command, not only to praise it, but
it; nay, I will lift up my hands to it,
will put forth all the
strength I have to do it.'' The hands that hang down, through sloth and
discouragement, shall be lifted up,
and tie them
about thy neck.
thou goest, it shall lead thee; when thou sleepest, it shall keep thee; and when thou awakest,
it shall talk
the commandment is a lamp;
and the law
and reproofs of instruction are the way of life: Pr
Peatross: Imagine that you see
someone near and dear across the room that you haven't
seen in a long
while. When you invite them to embrace you, your
will be raised probably almost to shoulder level, your
hands open and
palms up. Again, when you are worshipping/singing and
"embrace" your Savior as friend and brother, your hands
could be in this position.
God isn't a long lost
friend as David's psalms prove that he believed.
they should seek (worship) the Lord, if haply they might
feel after him, and find him, though
he be not far
from every one of us:
It is a preacher presumption
that we have to
come hear their sermon in order to do that act of worship. And
only gonna be at this building at 10:30. Contrary to this,
that if we want to seek and find and worship God we will have
to Christ "outside the camp." That means outside of the gates
courts where the Levites made their noise, the holy place
priests offered the blood or the most holy place. These three
represent the physical world. However, "John was in the spirit
Lord's day." he was not inside of the personal Holy Spirit; he
his own spirit or mind which is the ONLY place Christ will be
For this reason, the church
"ekklesia" which is like country court where no one went to
in song and music. You would be transported back down to the
district if you came in there waving your hands and "making"
while the jury (ekklesia) was listening to the evidence.
When people "gather" they
are doing some form
of synagogue: there was
no "music" or praise service in the
synagogue which was school and not a pagan worship center.
Therefore, "making music" or
praying only in
the holy place "inside
a restoration of the Levitical animal-burning music and that
say in Hebrews 6 that you have committed the unforgivable sin
giving up the Word.
Therefore, there is no
cultur or commandment
for a "praise service" where we go further into sin and offend
by an artificially-induced hand-waving or hand clapping show
contempt for others.
Peatross: Now, think about what you would do with
someone pointed a high-powered rifle at you, and you
didn't want them
to shoot you. Your arms would go up at least to shoulder
your palms would be facing forward in the universal sign
surrender. In our worship, we can physically show our
"surrender" to Jesus by raising our hands and declaring
vulnerability (We are weak, but He is strong.)
However, we are not
us therefore come
that we may
obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
That throne is in heaven
and not in the "holy
place" of church architecture which is the liturgy area
hand claping sister singers condem themselves. However, this
meaning of being Post Modern: I know that I am deliberately
a high hand giving people permission to lift their hands in
offensive way knowing that it will sow discord. Being Post
means that we can get our authority from one of our 'worship
who, by definition, has also been brain sucked dry of the
Surrender to God has
always been just the
opposite: worship means to "fawn like a dog." Now, if we
the presence of a dangerous dog and he falls to the grown
our shoes we are not threatened. however, if the dog comes
his claws" in our face we know that we are not in the
presence of a
So, why not have a
legalistic 'falling on your
face' ritual? Then you can hire a "Falling On Your Face
Leader" on your pyramidal, tower of Babylon power ministry
Peatross: Lifting the
hands is just a way of reaching up to God to exalt Him or seek Him. It is perfectly appropriate. Some are concerned
that this practice might be the
early introduction of a charismatic theology for the Church of
Christ. Raising hands in worship
in no way embraces a charismatic theology any more than
while praying embraces Catholic theology. The question
is it "charismatic," but is it biblical?
But, Fred is going
to ADVANCE beyond raising
hands as a personal thing and let us sing, dance, clap, use
plaly instruments and get wrapped up into a VORTEX.
Paul has just said that we
don't have to
to find God. The musical idolatry at Mount Sinai was the
the sea" ritual
of the Egyptian triad where the Israelites sent
the old bull image to teach them. This repudiated God Who had
delivered the oral, Book of the Covenant.
describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. Rom
righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say
in thine heart, Who shall ascend
(lift up) into
(that is, to
bring Christ down from above:) Romans 10:6
Who shall descend into the
deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in
thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
is giving heed to
Christ by giving heed to His Word which is "Spirit and Life."
legalistically "doing the deeds" of the world if we believe
singing or a ritualistic, ceremonial prayer is "reaching up to
(hand lifters or
hand clappers) MUST LIVE BY THESE THINGS. When they are "not
presence of God" as proven by the drug-induced "feeling" then
not walking with them and living in them. So, giffy quick (and
preachers love this) they have to get back to "do church"
get another fix.
provable fact is, however,
that the drug high from Sunday "reaching up to find the lost
worn off, the people feel just terrible and come back Sunday
"disguised as empty seats." And, contrary to Nimrod and his
worship team at the towers of Babylon, the people were not
"regenerated through external means."
Most 'church worship music'
has been called
"low level glossolalia" or speaking in tongues. When one's
begins to move with the music they have at some level moved
of themselves and gone charismatic because they wouldn't do it
normal course of their lives or "outside of church."
The Use of Hands in
Peatross: The Bible not only permits
the hand raising posture in prayer and worship
but it also seems to
28:2; 63:4; 134:2; 1Timothy 2:8). If you feel led to do this in your
prayer life or in public worship, feel free to do so.
But those who
aren't moved to do the same are not required.
Let's tell the world, first,
that David was not
a "worship leader" and did not define the conditions by which
would be worshiped. David was one of the kings hand-picked by
lead the Israelites into destruction and captivity.
Psalm of David.)
thee will I cry, O Lord my
rock; be not
lest, if thou be silent
I become like them
down into the
the voice of
my supplications, when I cry (yell for help) unto thee, when I lift up my hands toward thy holy oracle. Psalm 28:2
Jews or Muslims lift up
their open hands it is in the POSTURE of reading that which
studied and memorized. They do not wave their hands in the
will I bless thee while I
live: I will lift up my hands in thy
soul shall be
satisfied as with marrow and fatness; and my mouth shall praise thee
remember thee upon my
and meditate on thee in the night watches. Ps 63:6
doesn't seem to be
We told you above, that
using "external means"
to find God or seeking to regenerate through external means
is NOT a
grace-centered or spiritual concept. On the contrary, it is
that people are lost because they have belittled inspiration
have been blinded and they cannot see God. Remember?
the hands is
just a way of reaching
up to God
to exalt Him
is not silent: He speaks
his Spirit or Mind through the Words He has inspired through
prophets and apostles. But the Jewish clergy, also unlawful,
not see because they had turned to their own show and tell
and not to
In Deut 31: Prophesying the
destructive future for Israel which
we dare not use as a "pattern" for worship.
said, I would scatter
the remembrance of them to cease from among men: Deut 31: 26
it not that I
feared the wrath
adversaries should behave themselves strangely, and lest
and the Lord
hath not done all this. Deut
is not the humble hand
but the open hand:
Yad (h3027) yawd; a prim.
word; a hand, the open one indicating power, means, direction,
etc., armholes, creditor, custody, debt, dominion, power, presumptuously..
prescription was not
called "public worship" but:
there be in the land famine, if there be pestilence, blasting, mildew, locust, or if there be caterpiller; if their enemy besiege
them in the land of their
cities; whatsoever plague,
whatsoever sickness there be; 1 Kings 8:37
What prayer and supplication soever be made by any man, or by all thy people Israel, which shall know every
(palms) toward this house: 1 Kings 8:38
Then hear thou in heaven thy
dwelling place, and
forgive, and do, and give to every man according to his
even thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children
of men;) 1
desperation and lostness
people wave their hands around. The task of the church is to
them of God's grace and not encourage them to mourn their
not into judgment with thy servant: for in thy sight
shall no man living be justified. Psa 143:2
hath persecuted my
he hath smitten
my life down to the ground; he hath made me to dwell in darkness, as those that have
been long dead. Psa
Therefore is my spirit overwhelmed
my heart within me is desolate. Psa 143: 4
remember the days of old; I meditate on all thy
I muse on the work of thy hands. Psa 143:5
forth my hands unto thee: my soul thirsteth after thee, as a
thirsty land. Selah. Psa 143:6
supplication is a prayer and
one does not "lead" prayer for another. This was not an act
"worship" which is defined as falling on the face, bowing or
otherwise being under "hard bondage" under law.
me to do thy
will; for thou art my God: thy spirit is good; lead me into the land
of uprightness. Psa 143:10
one lifts up their hand
they do not raise them and wave them around. The "open hand"
symbol of personal power. By opening the hand as in a hand
acknowledges that they have no personal power.
lifting was of the
"hands" and the "arms" have a different meaning.
Paras (h6566) paw-ras';
a prim. root; to
disperse, etc.: -
break, chop in pieces, lay
(abroad, forth, selves, out), stretch (forth, out).
(h413) denoting motion
occasionally used of a quiescent position.
oracle is the place from
which the word
which depended on wine, music and dancing or other "works
hands" the place from which the poisonous gas arose which
virgin raving made was was the Oracle place and Speaker:
(h1687) deb-eer'; or (short.) dÿbir deb-eer'; from 1696
of the sanctuary: - oracle
brought in the ark of the covenant of the Lord unto his
place, to the
oracle of the house, into the most holy place, even under the wings of
Psalmist was lifting up
his hands to the WORD of God in the most holy place. This
pledge of faithfulness and not an effeminate waving.
Dabar is the Hebrew
equivalent to Logos.
(h1696) daw-bar'; a prim. root; perh. prop. to arrange;
but used fig.
(of words) to speak; rarely (in a destructive sense) to
answer, appoint, bid, command, commune, declare, destroy,
promise, pronounce, rehearse, say, speak, be spokesman,
teach, tell, think, use [entreaties], utter, * well, *
Jesus as "Son" spoke only
what He heard from
the "Father." That defined His Sonship. Therefore, Christ
Word is the only oracle of Christ today.
While our personal talent
can be used for
"ministry" when we speak we had better imitate Christ and
the Oracle of God by repeating what He delivered and
inspired in the
Tend to Be
David was not a "worship
Therefore, David neve lead "congregational singing with
accompaniment while the audience waved their hands around
antennas seeking something."
see thy power and thy glory,
so as I have seen thee in the sanctuary. Psalm 63:2
lovingkindness is better than life, my lips
shall praise thee. Psalm 63:3
thee while I live: I will lift up my
soul shall be satisfied as
with marrow and fatness; and my
mouth shall praise thee with joyful lips: Psalm 63:5
and meditate on thee in the night watches Psalm 63:6
been my help, therefore in the shadow of thy wings will I rejoice. Psalm
remember the days of old; I meditate on all thy works;
I muse on the work of thy hands. Ps 143:5
I stretch (break
my hands (palms) unto
thee: my soul thirsteth after thee, as a
thirsty land. Selah. Ps 143:6
me to hear
thy lovingkindness in the morning; for in thee do I
trust: cause me to know the way
wherein I should walk; for I lift up my soul unto thee. Ps 143:8
Clapping BOASTED of someone out to get you:
- An enemy will speak sweetly with
in his mind he will plan to throw you into a pit;
enemy will weep with his eyes,
if he finds an opportunity his thirst for blood will be
insatiable. Ecclu 12:16
calamity befalls you,
will find him there ahead of you;
- and while pretending to help
will trip you by the heel; Ecclu 12: 17
- and clap his hands,
- and whisper much,
change his expression. Ecclu 12: 18.
of the time never saw
David as a spiritual worship leader. However, since David
worshiped in the temple, Ben Sirach said:
all that he did he gave thanks to the Holy One, the
Most High, with ascriptions of
with all his heart, and
he loved his Maker. Ecclesiasticus 47:8.
placed singers before the altar,
David was not
worship leader in a spiritual sense:
brought kings down to destruction,
from their beds; 48:6.
rebuke at Sinai and judgments of vengeance
who anointed kings to inflict
succeed you. 48: 8.
repudiate the music of the priestly class who were devoted
"like the nation's temple" in Jerusalem.
in me is
thine help. Hosea 13:9
will be thy
where is any
other that may save thee in all thy cities? and thy judges
thou saidst, Give me a king and princes? Hosea 13:10
gave thee a
king in mine anger, and took him away in my wrath.
sanctuary is the most
David had often
misplaced God by defining the "like the nation's" temple
Furthermore, David was one of those kings ordained by God to
Israelites into captivity and death because of their musical
at Mount Sinai:
the songs of the temple shall be howlings (Yalal
or wailing tones like halal
or praise) in that day, saith the Lord God: there shall be many
they shall cast them forth with silence (finally holding their
come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a
famine of bread, nor a thirst for
the words of the Lord:
they shall wander
from sea to
and from the north
even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the
Yahweh was not in any of the forces of nature but in a real apart.
He is experienced in the scarcely perceptible timbre of a tiny breeze in the paradox of a voiced silence." (Armstrong, Karen, A History of God, p. 27)
You cannot hear
God with your mouth or the
mouth of a team open!
up hands in prayer in Paul's
is the same as the Jewish
practice: one holds their arms next to their body, stretches
lower arm horizontially and then turns the palms upward.
This was a
sign of "reading" the Word written in the palms. It was not
of charismatic magical act.
a legitimate part of the worship experience (Psalm 47:1). It's a
sign of enthusiasm and excitement, something we should
have regarding the greatness of
the living God.
churches want to transform people. The challenge is that
that ended in the 20th century no
longer works for 21st century
We believe that Fred is just
However, the Grace-Centered wrecking crew believes that the
era ended (with them, of course) in the 20th century. Now, we
living in the Post-Modern or Post-Biblical era. The music and
charisma seems to be proof that the ancient Babylonian and
musical prostitute has risen along with Apollo's (Abaddon or
Apollyon) Seeker Centers.
Post Modern really means
it has been put through the sifter of time and is no longer
However, for a price, I will tell you what is now acceptable
in the 21 century. History shows that the end of each
brings out the crazys of the world but then, after beating on
Anvil of God's Word and dying in shame, the Bible is still
Musician, A Psalm for the sons of Korah.) Psalm 47:1
your hands, all ye people; shout unto God with the voice of triumph.
(h8628) taw-kah'; a prim. root; to clatter, i. e. slap
together), clang (an
instrument); by anal.
or tent-pin, a dart, etc.); by
impl. to become bondsman (by hand-clasping): - blow
([a trumpet]), cast, clap, fasten,
pitch [tent], smite, sound, strike,
* suretiship, thrust.
wife took a nail of the
and took an
hammer in her hand, and went softly unto him, and smote the nail into his
temples, and fastened it into the
ground: for he was fast
asleep and weary. So he died. Jud.4:21
the Lord most high is terrible; he is a great King over all the earth. Psalm
under us, and the nations under our feet. Psalm 47:3
healing of thy bruise; thy wound is grievous: all that hear
the bruit of thee shall clap the hands over thee: for upon whom hath not
thy wickedness passed
continually? Nah 3:19
you clap your hands or
give permission it is really telling people that it is ok to
over the reverent worshipers and put your feet on their neck
"sing songs to them" to triumph over them as an enemy defeats
clapping is also a
victory yell over God and His Word which was all written
time of the Latter Day Pathetic Prophesiers of "prophecies
was the BATTLE CRY and was
turned upon Jesus. When we repeat it we clearly prove that the
Christendom era has ended for us because in Ezekiel 30 God
musical instruments agains the Syrians who troubled Israel
beginning. Assyria is called "the tallest tree in the garden
and God would beat them to death with the clapping, shouting
sound of musical instruments.
you hear is "God repaying His
the silver trumpets
were signal instruments and used to panic
so that David could rejoice over shedding the blood OF the Gentiles with his
feet on their neck. However,
Jesus "sang to the Gentiles" when He shed His blood FOR the Gentiles. See the
is the battle cry as
clearly defined in the Dead Sea Scrolls. However, the
of the people came together (synagogued) for instruction and
outlawed the TRIUMPHAL shout and sounding of warfare:
when the congregation is to be gathered
(synagogued) together, ye shall
blow, but ye shall
sound a TRIUMPH.
Numbers 10:7 (Paraphrased)
Ruwa (h7321) roo-ah'; a
prim. root; to mar
(espec. by breaking); fig. to split the ears (with sound),
shout (for alarm or joy): - blow an alarm, cry (alarm,
destroy, make a joyful noise, smart, shout (for joy), sound
41 prophesied that Judas would not totally
triumph over Jesus and we know that
triumphing over Jesus as the 'enemy' was with instrumental
enough noise to drive the enemies into panic like Gideon.
encourage clapping. This is fine. It's not something
that has to be done all the time
or by everyone, but it is certainly an appropriate aspect of responding to God.
However, just as we sometimes clap and express
mania, madness in Corinth) there will be times
when we will be
still and quiet
said that worship is ONLY
in the HUMAN SPIRIT. This is much like the Most Holy Place
temple. INDIVIDUALS come boldly before the throne of Grace
is NO SUCH THING AS A WORSHIP LEADER except in rank
pagans believed that the
"demons" or gods lived inside of the idols or musical
which could "teach" them.
Revelation 8 notes that:
temple, musical instruments and singing resounded during
time of the OFFERING of the SACRIFICES, which formed the
of the service.
noisey ritual was
slaughtering and burning the TYPES of the Lord Jesus Christ.
musicians were NEVER in the Holy Place as a type of the body
Christ. Psalm 41 prophesied that it would be JUDAS
leading the mocking and betraying of Jesus leading to HIS
with musical mocking.
the Holy Place or
type of the church of christ:
offering of INCENSE, solemn SILENCE was
kept ("My soul waiteth upon
God," Ps 62:1; "is SILENT," Margin; Ps 65:1, Margin),
PEOPLE praying SECRETLY
all the time.
"team" or leader can ask
God for someting on my behalf, BUT no one can sing my own
PRAY my prayers. The attempt claims for the LEADER: "I am
Christ Who died for your sins.
STILLNESS implies, too, the earnest adoring
with which the blessed spirits and the
angels await the succeeding unfolding of God's judgments. A
short space is implied; for
even an hour is so used (Re 17:12 18:10,19).
(h1747) doo-me-yaw'; from 1819; stillness;
silently; abstr. quiet, trust: - silence, silent, waiteth.
many pagan religions
CLAPPING OF HANDS was to get the "attention" of the gods: I
it done. That would be at the relatively ELEVATED SPIRITUAL
a rank PAGAN. For little singy-clappies it just means
JUBILATION of those who jump and clap before they can walk
pagans also believed that
the HIGH PITCHED PRAISE of a trained speaker or singer was
the "gods" were speaking.
of them SCAMMED with the
claim that the "musical" tones coming out of musical
an old wineskin (familiar spirit) was the gods speaking.
unto him that saith to the wood, Awake;
to the dumb stone, Arise, it shall teach Behold, it is laid over
with gold and silver, and
there is no breath at all in the midst of it. Hab 2:19
the Lord is
in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence
before him. Hab
the Levites stilled all the people, saying,
Hold your peace, for the day is holy;
neither be ye grieved. Ne.8:11
silent, O all flesh,
before the Lord: for he is raised up out of his holy
haw-saw'; a prim. root; to hush:
- hold peace (tongue), (keep) silence, be silent, still.
said the same thing while
others were PROPHESYING which was to GIVE ATTENTION TO THE
READING OF THE WORD as it had been taught:
God is not the author of confusion, but of peace
(QUIET), as in all churches of the saints. 1 Cor 14:33
your women keep silence in the churches: for it
unto them to
speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1 Cor 14:34
AND CLAPPING WITH LOOSE
HAIR would be the "uncovered prophesying" Paul condemned
the assembly (1 Cor 11:5).
tend to believe that you
either are or are not reverent: Just don't see how you can
turn it on
and off to give variety to the worship ritual.
speaking the Word of God in Corinth:
thus are the secrets of his
heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will
worship God, and report that God
is in you of a truth. 1 Cor 14:25
(g4352) pros-koo-neh'-o; from 4314 and a prob. der. of
2965 (mean. to
kiss, like a dog licking his master's hand); to fawn or
i.e. (lit. or fig.) prostrate oneself in homage (do
adore): - worship.
we receiving a
kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we
serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
1 (as a neg. particle) and 1492 (through the idea of
bashfulness, i.e. (towards men), modesty or (towards God)
also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel,
shamedfacedness and sobriety; not with braided hair, or
pearls, or costly array; 1 Ti.2:9
of the oldest
superstitions: That enthusiasm means that the usually-deviant
leader has induce a charismatic fit. He
was called the Encomiast: the praise
said that the only place
God looks for worship is in the human spirit devoted to His
There can be no "worship leader" leading us to come "boldly
the throne of Grace."
"worship leader" is equivalent in ancient paganism to
and music were
co-conspirators in making the paying fools believe that they
worshiping God when they were just worshiping their nerve
me, friends, consistent
with all of the musical worship leaders in the pagan world,
Seekers are not so much comming to laugh and play WITH you
as to see
the show and laugh AT you. At Mount Sinai when they rose up
in musical idolatry they "became a laughingstock.
in Paul's writings is in
to the Word of
Christ or "give attendance to the public reading" with both
"singing and melody" being internal as our spiritual
God. Paul never commanded "singing" as an "act of worship" but
word available for any third grader is TEACH the revealed
coined the word
"enthusiasm" to mean enthus o mania. This was the frenzied
excitement made obvious by
loud singing, hand
contempt) and the goose-bump feeling of being "spiritual."
called it madness
or being "outside of self." Don't feel superior if this
mysteries of his
less than by
those of nature, primitive man was
likely to attribute to divine influence
any abnormal emotional state, whether above or
below the usual level.
Medicine men customarily went into states of trance in which they were believed to be in
communication with the
supposed lunatics and sexual deviants to be divinely possessed.
music, drama and dance is
almost totally reserved for the homosexual Dionysic
worship which was
what the clergy wanted to get Jesus into by "piping" and
make him sing and dance to disqualify Himself.
most early societies,
moreover, men evolved
techniques for deliberately
inducing the abnormal
in which they supposed themselves to achieve
by the use of drugs and other physiological stimuli,
sometimes by hypnotic
clapping, effeminate movements, shouting) and music.
to which they gave vent on such
occasions were regarded as the words of a god and were interpreted as divine
or predictions of future events." (Parkes, p.
peoples attributed any violent
one of the
gods as a matter of course; the individual was then no
actions, though the gods were sometimes mischievous or even malevolent and
(h1984) haw-lal'; a prim. root; to be clear (orig. of
usually of color); to shine; hence to make a show, to boast;
and thus to be (clamorously) foolish; to rave; causat. to celebrate; also to stultify: -
(make) boast (self), celebrate,
commend, (deal, make), fool (-
ish, -ly), glory, give [light], be (make, feign self) mad (against), give in
marriage, [sing, be
worthy of] praise, rage,
(h1966) hay-lale'; from 1984 (in the sense of
morning-star: - lucifer.
kings were chosen to
lead the nation into captivity and destruction!
have often seen
a man (actor)-- and have been amazed
to see, and the amazement
he is one
outwardly counterfeits what he is not--
of daintiness and indulging in all
sorts of effeminacy;
hands hither and thither,
and raving with his face smeared
with mud (sweat, spit and
dust); sometimes personating Aphrodite (female), sometimes Apollo (male);
a solitary accuser of all the gods, an epitome of
superstition, a vituperator of heroic
deeds, an actor
of murders, a chronicler of adultery,
a storehouse of madness, a teacher of cynaedi,
an instigator of
capital sentences;-- and yet such a man is praised by all. But I have rejected
falsehoods, his impiety, his practices,--in short, the man altogether.
But you are led
who do not take a part in your pursuits.
whereunto shall I liken
this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the
calling unto their fellows, Mt 11:16
saying, We have piped unto
and ye have not
we have mourned
unto you, and ye have
have no mind to stand agape
at a number of singers, nor do I desire to be affected in sympathy with
man when he is winking and gesticulating in an unnatural manner."...
admire the mythic
We leave you
to these worthless things;
and do you believe our doctrines, or, like us, give up
yours." (Tatian to the Greeks,
Ante-Nicene, Vol. II, p. 75).
so we repeat: what is being
adopted from the most ancient paganism is not a New Emerging
of Christ. What you see is people with A Different God, A
Christ, a Different Bible and therefore a DIFFERENT RELIGION.
with minimal honesty take the name of Christ off their sign.
again these same
leave all that they had in hand, which often is necessary and pressing business,
and mount the steps (in the arena), and sit
attentively to the words
and the accompaniments, and criticising the agreement of the
is what the many
those who are skilled
do just the
same with respect to the sophists,
they too have
their theaters, and their audience, and clappings of hands,
of what is
NOISE, not music)
if in the case of rhetoricians, musicians, and athletes, people sit in the one
case to look on, in the other
to see at once and to listen with such earnest attention;
ye in reason to display,
also prophesied that
the music and musicians of Tyre would be cast into sheol. It
coincidental that forcing people to honor the theatrical
rather than hearing God through His Word is often related to
to allow the
enemy to come in and, perhaps, pick up some of the financial
Ezekiel said however, speaking for God, that:
will plunder your wealth and loot your merchandise; they
down your walls and demolish your fine houses and throw
your stones, timber and rubble into the sea. Ezek 26:12
to your noisy
songs, and the music of your harps will be heard no more.
LXX is more forceful in
showing that both the music and the musicians would be
he shall destroy the multitude of thy musicians, and the sound
of thy psalteries shall be heard no more." Ezek. 26:13 LXX
I will bring
you down with those who go down to the pit, to the people of long
ago. I will make you dwell in the earth
as in ancient
ruins, with those who go down to the pit, and you will
not return or
take your place in the land of the living. Ezek 26:20
thou son of man, the
children of thy people still are talking against thee by
and in the doors of the houses, and speak one to
another, every one
to his brother, saying, Come, I pray you, and hear what
is the word
that cometh forth from the Lord. Ezek 33:30
they come unto thee as the people cometh,
they sit before thee as my people,
they hear thy words,
they will not do them:
with their mouth they shew much love,
their heart goeth after their covetousness. Ezek 33:
lo, thou art unto them as a very lovely song
one that hath a pleasant voice,
- and can play well on an
they hear thy words,
- but they do
them not. Ezek 33: 32
when this cometh to pass,
(lo, it will come,) then shall they know that a prophet
among them. Ezek 33: 33
it is no
who now comes forward to a trial of skill,
worship shouldn't be a major worship
issue. It is merely part of
permitting a free
and spontaneous response to the glory
One of the
important things about life in the body of Christ is
discern between the mountains and the molehills or between the majors
and the minors. This "hands"
business is clearly one of the molehills.
is true. They why should
people make it an issue, sow discord and expose the church to
ridicule? By taking the advantage of the "wormhole of
the PostModern mind, and by giving permission for somethint
will "turn off" most adults, one truly makes use of THE LAW OF
hands is a work of
It is one
of the oldest forms of "instrumental" (weaponry) means to
in Voodoo, the paying audience through mind manipulation to
make them believe that what is suitable
for a football
game will do its magical work on God or, as Nimrod believed,
spiritual changes through external means."
that made the
world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of
earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Act 17:24
worshipped with mens hands, as though he needed
any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and
secular history is a primary way to show contempt. And "in church" when
we sing our own
songs with an anamilistic jungle beat we are attempting to
can raise your hands in
helplessness or in "bowing" to the Word or Oracle of God but
wave your hand around you are "massaging" your nerve endings
you, as the Vineyard lady says along with most pagan
your climax with the spirit you are polluting or prostituting
which occurs only "in spirit" which is in the human mand.
Justin's Dialog with Trypho the Jew he translates Amos:
Who applaud at the sound of the musical
reckon them as stable, and not as fleeting.
drink wine in bowls, and anoint themselves with the
they are not grieved for the affliction of Joseph.
do know that Jesus read the Septuagint which reads:
- who excel in the sound of musical
have regarded them as abiding,
- not as fleeting
pleasure." Amos 6:5 LXX
Post Modern "Vision" in
Fred's Chapter 31 reads: "Without Vision the People
"modern" version of vision read:
there is no vision, the
people perish: but
that keepeth the law, happy
are aware that some Post
Moderns claim to be 'prophets' or 13th Apostles. However,
God had in mind was from His Spirit:
(g2377) khaw-zone'; from 2372; a sight (mentally), i. e. a
revelation, or oracle: - vision.
answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it. Hab. 2:2
shall come upon
mischief, and rumour
shall be upon rumour; then shall they seek a vision of the prophet; but the law shall
perish from the priest, and
counsel from the ancients. Eze.7:26
Happens When The
Writing Prophets are Replaced with Human Vision.
The visions of your prophets were false and worthless; they
did not expose your sin
The oracles they gave you were false and misleading. Lam 2:14
who pass your way clap
at you; they scoff and shake their heads at the Daughter of
Jerusalem (Sodom Rev 11:8): "Is this the
city that was called the
perfection of beauty, the joy of the whole earth?" Lam. 2:15
cry out in the
of the watches pour out thine heart like water before the face of the
thy hands toward him for
the life of thy young children,
for hunger in
the top of every street. Lam.2:19
us lift up our heart
with our hands unto
in the heavens.
therefore I am going to give
you to the
(see the nature of those who have captured
a possession. They will set
and pitch their
tents among you; they
will eat your fruit and drink your milk. Ezek 25:4
will turn Rabbah
into a pasture for camels and Ammon into a resting place
Then you will know that I am the LORD. Ezek 25:5
this is what the Sovereign
LORD says: Because
hands and stamped
your feet, rejoicing with all the malice of your heart
land of Israel, Ezek 25:6
I will stretch
and will deliver
thee for a spoil to the heathen; and I will cut thee off from the people, and I
will cause thee
out of the countries: I will destroy thee; and thou shalt
know that I
am the Lord. Eze. 25:7
is what the
Sovereign LORD says: 'Because Moab and Seir said, "Look, the house of Judah
has become like
all the other nations,"
was the fulfillment of
the prophecy when Israel's elders "fired" God and wanted a
to be like all ofher nations;
Peatross: In 1834, John
Rogers wrote a letter to Alexander Campbell expressing
that the people of the restoration churches had become
wrote, "Many of us in running away from the extreme of enthusiasm, have on the other
hand, passed the
temperate zone and gone far into the frozen regions.
There is, in too
many churches, a cold-hearted, lifeless formality that
Fred, here is the
"Fires were then built in the
middle of these
scaffolds of dry wood, and thus a good light was afforded to
whole congregation. The stand was furnished with candles. I highly enjoyed the
meeting. It was a great
pleasure to me to hear the other men, and leaders in the worship,
and also to sit
at their feet in the private circle and hear them converse about
the things of
- the interests of
the cause in which we were engaged. On Sunday night Bro.
Clarke and I were appointed to deliver our trial speeches before the conference
and the large
audience present. Bro. Clarke was to be the preacher and I the exhorter.
was a great
trial to me to speak upon any occasion, but doubly so to
such an assembly of preachers, several of them men of age,
and learning. Bro. Clarke preached without, as I thought,
embarrassment. I sat behind him trembling with fear. He
with my heart fluttering with agitation I arose and
had ever heard me. I have no recollection of what I
said, as I had
I was young,
beardless, ignorant, but
my heart was full of the great theme of redemption.
it was, I had not spoken
long till the whole
was ablaze of feeling. The first thing I knew David
behind me in the
shouting at the top of their voices.
And in a few minutes the entire area before the stand
was filled with men and women dancing
result was I was
silenced and gave place to the preachers and people
to carry on the meeting as seemed good to them. I had not
to preach, but I received license at that conference to
talents in "such way as God may direct."
any say, "This was all
very disgusting and there could have
been no piety there?" This is
very hasty and ill-judged.
times and views
of the people then were very different from what they are now.
on some important
practical subjects than they had, but I doubt if we have
piety or spirituality. If they were upon the extreme of enthusiasm, we are on the extreme
music at Cane
Ridge, Conkin notes that: (For the Book)
down on every hand, shrieking, groaning, crying for
mercy, convoluted; professors
of religion praying, agonizing, fainting, falling down in
for sinners, or in raptures of joy!
some shouting, clapping their
hands, hugging and even kissing, laughing; others talking to the distressed, to one another, or to
opposers of the
work, and all
recite a stronger sensation.
with what is doing, the darkness
the solemnity of
the place, and of the occasion, and conscious guilt, all
conspire to make
power of the soul, and rouse it to awful attention." (Letter quoted by
Conkin, Cane Ridge, p.
the sheer confusion
in prayer or in loud
hymn singing, with
singing the most enjoyable group activity and the one that often most
an audience... More conventional shouts and groans
joined with a near
babble of speech, some incoherent, some later
distinguished as holy laughter or singing." (Conkin, p. 94).
theme of music and
charismatic ecstasy (out of the mind) is consistent
history and the Bible: the theme of redemption gives way to
attempting to worship God with the practices of the dance
Campbell, who championed a rational approach to
similar concerns on several occasions. "Christianity
certainly is an
intellectual matter," he wrote in 1837,
religion dwelling in the
rooted in the feelings and
affections, is living,
active, and a real existenceÉ.This is Christianity all
the rest is
This would NOT lead Campbell
to fall under a
witchcraft (or Devil Worship) ritual. NO FEELINGS ARE HIGHER
those aroused by "A holy spirit" created by devotion to the
THE Infinite God of the universe.
Religion to Campbell is not
what we know of
today. Campbell would have identified it by his scholarship as
most ancient form of superstitious paganism.
Clapping and Brain Washing.
Campbell--and All Restoration
"The machinery of modern revivals is not divine, but
human. It is certainly divisive. They are undoubtedly deceived who repose
The spirit of
the crusades is in it--the spirit of fanaticism is in it--the spirit of delusion is in it. The Spirit of
God is not in it, else he was not
in the Apostles;
them no such schemes--no such means of catching men.
is a bait which was never put by
Christ's fishermen on the evangelical
hook." (Alexander Campbell,
quoted by Randall,
in the rage of
'the Holy Ghost' is an admirable contrivance. Every qualm of
conscience, every new motion of the
heart, every strange
thrill--all doubts, fears,
horrors, remorse, etc., are the work of this Holy Ghost. "
(Millennial Harbinger 1831:212).
that it was a peculiar
form of nervous
that was both epidemic and contagious...
no old errors corrected-
nor miraculous utterances
simply an excitement, despondent or hopeful, gloomy
or joyful, clear or confused, according to the convictions
mind at the time of the attack
and influence of circumstances during its continuance."
quoted by Randall, p. 373).
"They (disorders) cannot
come from God,
for he is not the author of confusion.
disorders, which Paul condemned, was precisely the same as
in defense of these bodily agitations.
not to resist the spirit of God,
said the Corinthians; and so said all those
answer is that no
influence comes from God which destroys our self-control. 'The spirits of the
prophets are subject to the
prophets of God were not
like the raving
temples, (From Apollo's Oracle. He is Abaddon
"locusts" are the resurrected MUSES or musical
are the saints of God
can be little
doubt that Paul would have severely reprobated such scenes as
frequently occurred during the
revival of which we are speaking.
used the word
would have said to the
people substantially what he said to the Corinthians. If
unbeliever or ignorant man come to your assemblies and
hears one shouting
and another howling
if he sees
some falling, some jumping, some lying in convulsions,
he not say
ye are mad?"
History Presbyterian Church quoted in Barton W. Stones'
Peatross: John Rogers' and
Alexander Campbell's concern is as significant today as
it was in the
nineteenth century. Consequently, I've decided I'm going
to oil my
machinery before we assemble next
Lord's Day and give my
emotions the permission and freedom to emerge
from the closet
they've been closed up in.
Go to it fred, but
remember that Campbell
said that the charismatic revivalism was the "well oiled machinery is
deceptive and fanatical."
but human. It is certainly divisive. They are undoubtedly deceived who repose
The spirit of
the crusades is in it--the spirit of fanaticism is in it--the spirit of delusion is in it.
said, leave your
prayers in the closet! That is good enough for me.
Peatross: Watch for me. I'll be the one with
high, as I exalt the God of the universe. Will you join
will be the one flat on my
face in front of a Holy Spirit God Who isn't worshiped with
product of man's hands,
does not judge by
what he sees or by what He hears (Isaial 11:1-4) and Who would
acknowledge the "rising up" with hand clapping as a show of
for His holiness. If you don't bow now, you will bow later!
Not above the waist (unless
you are a high
priest.) A stand up commedian noted how hard it was to keep
being identified as gay by raising his hands above his
devastating ecclesiastical crisis has been unfolding
during the last
three decades in the realm of worship. One can hardly fail to
notice that there has been
something of a 'revolution' in church worship during this
Central to this upheaval has been a bumper-sized bandwagon
songs -- and one is either travelling on this bandwagon or
it is to be left out
in the cold.
Moreover, to resist this bandwagon will inevitably bring
of "not keeping up with the times",
the move of the
the process of inevitable revival", etc.
many of the New
songs trivialise the high truths of
salvation. Many are in a style
which is simply not suited to the holy spirituality which is due to our
God. Moreover, due to their pietistic, subjectivist roots, many of today's
highly self-centred in their expression,
and they pursue an almost obsessive musical celebration of "Me and My Wonderful
Feelings" rather than the Lord
and His amazing works.
many of the New
songs appear to
have been designed to put a congregation
into a state of blissful
if sung repetitively, as they most often are.
This induces a pre-hypnotic 'Alpha-wave' brain-state
which people are more easily
susceptible to the expectations and the powerful suggestions of influential leaders. These are ideas which
we will be developing.
fact, many of the songs of
today are pursuing
immediately apparent to the casual observer --
is, until you
know the 'buzz' words and phrases. Dynamic triggers such
people of power" --
reference to the triumphalist,
pseudo-miracle-working, 'Kingdom-Now' Dominionism which is so prevalent
among the New Style of Worship songwriters --
rallying-calls to those suggestible enough to receive them. [Lucian
called them "fat heads and
what about the line "My
feet start dancing,
my hands rise up"? The
agenda is clear enough here.
When repeated often
over a period of
time, these ideas begin to exert a real sway over the singer.
of this has happened in a
vacuum but is surely part of a major downgrade or even part of a much wider apostasy of mind-blowing proportions.
because of the
which this is
being executed, comparatively few professing Christians
are aware of
the seriousness of the issue.
if you see this emerging
in your church of Christ, Baptist, etc., know that it is
of the Apollo (Abaddon, Apollyon) end-time Babylon
out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them
power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
they had a
king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless
pit, whose name
in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek
tongue hath his
name Apollyon. Revelation 9:11
is the king of the Seeker
Center at DELPHI. He is the father of harmony, music,
arrows: He is the DESTROYER emerging with his locusts to
EAT UP ALL
OF YOUR CROPS!
1810 the slave
trade to the
United States had officially ended and the slave
population began to increase naturally, making way for the
preservation and transmission
that were, by this time, truly "African-American."
transition coincided with
the period of intense religious revivalism known as "awakenings." In the southern
states, where the institution of
slavery still prevailed,
of slaves converted to evangelical religions such as the Methodist
clergy within these
denominations actively promoted the idea that all
equal in the sight of God, a message that provided hope
sustenance to the slaves.
also encouraged worship in ways that
many Africans found to be similar, or
at least adaptable, to
African worship patterns, with enthusiastic singing, clapping, dancing, and even spirit-possession.
the slave quarters, however,
African Americans organized their own "invisible institution." Through signals, passwords, and messages not
discernible to whites, they called
believers to "hush harbors" where they freely mixed African rhythms, singing, and beliefs with evangelical Christianity.
was here that
the spirituals, with their double meanings of religious salvation
from slavery, developed and flourished; and here,
too, that black preachers, those who believed that God had
them to speak his Word, polished their "chanted
or rhythmic intoned style of
extemporaneous preaching. Part
church, part psychological
and part organizing
point for occasional acts of outright
whose armed insurrection in Virginia in 1831 resulted in
of scores of white men, women, and children, was a
Baptist preacher), these meetings provided one of the few
enslaved African Americans to express and enact their
hopes for a
himself has stated that he doesn't care if the devil is
present at the meetings. He comments:
"You can't have revival
revival comes you will see manifestations of
these three things in
the Holy Spirit; (2) the
flesh, and (3) the devil. But, I'd rather be in a church where the
devil and the
flesh are manifesting than in a church where nothing is
because people are too
anything...Don't worry about
if a devil
manifests, don't worry
about that, either.
Rejoice, because at
least something is
Howard-Browne, "The Coming Revival" (1991), page 6]
thought that there is one who knows the agenda. We will look
more of Fred's pixels as follow up.
Clapping and Raising
Peatross: The Church as Spectacle
Was Jesus a pary kind of guy who
manufactured and dispensed alcoholic wine. So said the
Grace into Legalism: the Musical
To Give us Rest
to Replace the Amen: Rubel
and Hand Clapping: Background to Mount
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