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Professional Clergy - Hired PreachersA professional clergy or Hired Clergy or Hired Preachers Violates the Words of Christ and most of church history. Why? When preachers depend on the good will of the widow's purse most often they are getting paid NOT to preach the Word as it has been taught.
Modern preachers are hired to be rhetorical performers and not to do the work of the elders to "teach that which has been taught." Musicians are hired on the same authority as men to write their own scripture and present it in a theatrical form. Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites. In Isaiah 29 and Ezekiel 33 Christ in Spirit names speakers, singers and instrument players: all of these were MARKS that people had no intention of obeying the Word of God.
This can easily be what Jesus meant when He said that failure to FEED the little ones was a burnable offense:
Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them,Understanding the Parable shows why most of religionism has made a covenant with death and hell and find themselves righ and famous and even worshipped because they have willingly sold their souls.
Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it
unto one of the least of these my brethren,
ye have done it unto me.
Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,
Depart from me, ye cursed,
into everlasting fire,
prepared for the devil and his angels:
Matthew 25:42 For I was an hungred,
and ye gave me no meat:
I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Because in Amos, the people had David's musical performance IN the temple Christ prophesied that their songs in the temple would be turned into howlings.
When David ordained the Levite musicians who made noise under the king and commanders of the Army this was COMMANDED BY GOD in the wilderness. After the musical idolatry the Jacob-cursed Levites jumped at the chance to execute 3,000 of the idolatrous "brethren." God turned the nation over to worship the starry host and Moses ordained that the Levites STAND GUARD at the Tabernacle and later unauthorized temple. Their task was to EXECUTE any civillian who came NEAR the not-commanded animal slaughter. Because they prophesied with David's instruments we know that they were SOOTHSAYERS with instrumental accompaniment.
In Israel which had fallen back into the Mount Sinai musical worship of the Egyptian Triad, the people played instruments LIKE DAVID but they played instruments and sang INSIDE of their Holy Place as their worship of the Starry Host (Acts 7 etal). The sin was that they were consumed with wine, women and music AS their worship: the result was that the people did not attend synagogue and hungered and thirst for the Word of God as the exclusive role of the synagogue.
Musical instruments in the prophets are the identifying mark of elders who refuse to give food and water to the flock. The result is:
Amos 8:10 And I will turn your feasts into mourning,
and all your songs into lamentation;
and I will bring up sackcloth upon all loins, and baldness upon every head;
and I will make it as the mourning of an only son,
and the end thereof as a bitter day.
Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD,
that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread,
nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
Amos 8:12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east,
they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.
Watch out when God sings to you:
Isaiah 5:9 In mine ears said the LORD of hosts, Of a truth many houses shall be desolate,
even great and fair, without inhabitant.
Isaiah 5:10 Yea, ten acres of vineyard shall yield one bath,
and the seed of an homer shall yield an ephah.
Isaiah 5:11 Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning,
that they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, till wine inflame them!
Isaiah 5:12 And the harp, and the viol, the tabret, and pipe, and wine,
are in their feasts: [religious festivals]
but they regard not the work of the LORD, neither consider the operation of his hands.
Isaiah 5:13 Therefore my people are gone into captivity,
because they have no knowledge:
and their honourable men are famished,
and their multitude dried up with thirst.
Isaiah 5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself,
and opened her mouth without measure:
and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp,
and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.
The verb rendered tinkling, alalazo, originally meant to repeat the cry alala, as in battle. It is used by Mark (6:38) of the wailings of hired mourners. Hence, generally, to ring or clang. Rev., clanging cymbal, is derived from (the Greek) a hollow or cup. The cymbal consisted of two half-gloves of metal which was struck together." (Vincent, p. 263)
The Levites were Soothsayers with Instrumental accompaninent.
They had a covenant with death and hell
 propterea dilatavit infernus animam suam et aperuit os suum absque ullo termino etdescendent fortes eius et populus eius et sublimes gloriosique eius ad eum
Infernus , a, um, adj. infer,
I. In partic., underground, belonging to the Lower Regions, infernal: “rex,” Pluto,
“infernas umbras carminibus elicere,” to raise the dead by magical incantations, Tac. A. 2, 28: “palus,” the Styx, Ov. F. 2, 610:
Sublimis: B. In partic., of language, lofty, elevated, sublime (freq. in Quint.): sublimia carmina, Juv. 7, 28: “verbum,” Quint. 8, 3, 18: “clara et sublimia verba,” id. ib.: “oratio,” id. 8, 3, 7
Action versus Submission. of orators, poets
Carmen In gen., a tune, song, air, lay, strain, note, sound, both vocal and instrumentathe mean [hypocrite: rhetorician, singer, instrumentalists re Jesus] man shall be brought down, and the mighty man shall be humbled, and the eyes of the lofty shall be humbled: Isa 5:15
cf. “also versus, numeri, modi): carmen tuba ista peregit ( = sonus),” Enn. Ann. 508 Vahl.: “carmine vocali clarus citharāque Philammon,” Ov. M. 11, 317; “lyrae carmen,”
II. Esp., a composition in verse, a poem; poetry, verse, song, whether in a broader sense, of every kind of poetic production, epic, dramatic, lyric (opp. to prose and to cantus, the melody), or, in a more restricted sense, for lyric poetry.5. A magic formula, an incantation: MALVM, Fragm. XII. Tab. ap. Plin. 28, 2, 4, § 17; cf. “Fragm. XII. Tab. 8, 1, a. ap. Wordsw. Fragm. and Spec. p. 260: polleantne aliquid verba et incantamenta carminum,” Plin. 28, 2, 3, § 10:
Moral Sentences or Burdens
Glōrĭōsus , a,2. (Acc. to II.) Boastfully, vauntingly, pompously: “exorsus es non gloriose magis a veritate quam
Măgus , a, um, adj. 1. magus,
Therefore as the FIRE devoureth the stubble, and the FLAME consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the Lord of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel. Is.5:24
Despised is blasphemaverunt the Word is defacto PROVEN by sermonizing and musical instruments to silence the lambs
Almost without exception, church is antithetical to the ekklesia or synagogue which was A School of The Word of God only.
But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep. John 10:12The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep. John 10:13
I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. John 10:14
As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. John 10:15
The Wolf and the Dog identifies the Cynics or the Catamite old style praise singers.
That means that there is NO ROOM in a local flock for a hireling. What is a hireling? Motive has nothing to do with it, a hireling is one who is hired at a stipulated salary. Say, $90,000.oo at West End in Nashville for a song leader called a Worship Leader. When you are ready to hire someone to be the MAKING LOVE TO YOUR WIFE minister, then you are ready to hire someone who CANNOT do what he gets paid for. Worship is in the PLACE of the human spirit.
Rubel Shelly and John York: Our proposal to focus on Jesus means that Scripture is NO LONGER a set of proof-texts or a collection of facts or God's rulebook for human behavior. Scripture is the unfolding story of God acting both to create and to re-create. It is not an easy book to understand.
It was NEVER intended as a document to  be INDIVIDUALLY read and interpreted--a sort~of correspondence course in salvation.
Prior to the invention of the printing press, access to the content of Scripture was oral.
For thousands of years it could only be heard and interpreted in the context of community.Yes, INDIVIDUALS could comment on Scripture, but those comments were always for the LARGER hearing of the community.
Only after there was INDIVIDUAL access did there become an opportunity for an individual, isolated reading and interpretation that had no need or use for community.
While we still have access to reading as individuals,
we stop asking, "What does this mean to me?"--as though there is such an isolated meaning. Instead we have a GROUP MENTALITY that asks, "What does this mean to US?"
The WOLF and the DOG were symbols of the musical sodomites. As Jewish clergy they attacked Jesus because the Jews believed that Dionysus was their messiah. See how the dogs attack the flock with charismatic rhetoric and music. Included in the Greek background are performance preachers or rhetoricians who performed the role of sorcery in the book of Revelation and were SECTARIAN HYPOCRITES and because they did nothing useful were called PARASITES. All guitarIST or similar meaning translates into the Latin as parasites.
Mike Cope opens up a whole can of worms about Walls and dogs and rabbits. The historical background is that of the DOGS or Catamite priests chasing Jesus to make Him sing and dance the perverted choral of Dionysus.I would say that the modern institution needs QUALIFIED help. Elders are not APT to teach. However, not too many years ago, even large churches made it with a preacher and a secretary. Many opened their doors just in time to get the building heated or cooled and closed them after the last gossip left. Other than to have qualified teachers around, the early synagogues did nothing during the week but educate. If you wanted a degree from a Rabbi then YOU paid the Rabbi.
Nothing good can come of a large STAFF spending most of their lives as desk jockeys. When Paul was "located" a whole province benefited from his teaching. I think that "preacher's forums" are spawning grounds for most division.
Only by selling--instead of building more massive barns--and organizing like a synagogue could some staff be DISPOSED OF. Someone has said that if all of the preachers were stacked end to end that would be a very good thing.
I am dogmatically certain that a church does not need to hire a preacher because there is NO JOB DESCRIPTION in the church for such a person. The word PREACHER means a HERALD and Paul Revere did not have a desk at North Church. Furthermore, the herald "delivers the message as it has been delivered to him" and the SENDER pays the bill. If the herald alters the message he is subject to the death sentence. Paul's preach words are usually DIALOG or COMMUNE.
Why should anyone pay a high price to sermonize on something other than the Bible and when he speaks ABOUT the Bible is usually shall or in error? I can tell you why! Because of the institution the NEED a "flame" to attract the moths. My experience would say that 20 years of listening to sermons and singing Fanny Crosby often leaves you MORE confused than educated.
Furthermore, even if you hatch up a job description according to Paul and ALL of church history it is an UNFUNDED job. The "synagogue" Jesus built has no machinery called collections or budgets. People gave to the poor and support was purely voluntary.
Now, paid preachers have not been the issue. So, I still say that S.E. is Biblically and historically sound in respect to the Name, Baptism and the NON-use of machines. THAT is where the ANTI-instrumental attacks hits. Where S.E. relies on tradition, the NON-traditionalists are NOT going to argue with him.
I would never pay a preacher unless he is an evangelist sent out to preach and teach where the gospel is not "the latest fad." sending BIG GUN preachers on a two-week mission trip is criminal.
"The city churches know very well how to settle the pastor question, and stop the division over that issue.
..........Just send the hired preacher out to preach the gospel, which is his scriptural duty,
..........and restore the elders to their Bible functions.
..........But will they do it? Prof. T. B. Larimore once held a meeting that continued five months.
At the last sermon there were five confessions, and he said the meeting closed "too soon."
He wants to hold a meeting (before he dies) that shall continue one year. He is only seventy-two. Burnett's Budget
"The bishops to feed the flock, the deacons to serve in secular affairs, and the evangelists to carry the good news to the world.
That is God's system. You can not beat it, unless you are wiser than God.
"Some of the hired pastors are announcing that they are ready (in June) to take the field and hold summer meetings.
..........That is right. Let them go out. Give the elders a chance.
..........They have been lying on the shelf eight months.
..........Put them to work at their God-ordained duties.
..........It is better to have the churches in Bible order three months than not at all.
..........The warm-water evangelists can do some gospel work between now and October.
"When the churches of Christ restore the eldership,
..........and quit hiring preachers to feed the flock on Lord's day,
..........there will be preachers to do missionary work. Also money to pay them for their services.
At present it requires all the money of the churches to pay the salaries of the hired preachers,
..........who bring the gospel to the churches,
..........to keep the elders and members converted,
..........and there is no money to send the gospel to the world.
..........Evidently, you have the muzzle of the gun pointed back- wards. About face!
"It transpires that no hired preacher has yet found the chapter wherein we can read
about the one-man pastor hired to feed the flock on Lord's day,
in place of the elders.
"The BUDGET has a medal for the Bible college that can turn out a young preacher with an ambition
to go out in the world and preach the gospel and baptize two thousand people,
and not sit down on some city church as pastor. Have you heard of the college, or seen the preacher?
"A church that can not worship without using an instrument has very little spirituality. -- Christian Pilot."What do you think about the inner man? Is the Holy Spirit in Christians the inner man? -- A READER.
What about a church that can not worship without a hired pastor?
The instrument destroys the Lord's music, (perhaps,)
the pastor certainly destroys the Lord's eldership. Which is the worse?
"No. The Holy Spirit dwells in the inner man. The inner man is the human spirit, and the outer man is the human body.
Rubel Shelly: Today's Sermon Today: Was Timothy a Located Missionary? Does that justify located missionaries in the local established church? The American Restoration Movement intended to remove all of the appendages which had grown on the body of the church over the years. Nothing, to some, hindered the growth of Christ's Organic Body was professional "heads" which tend to replace Jesus Christ and the Master Teacher:
> "If churches would learn to do their own work and lean upon their own God --
..........develop strength, instead of the preacher's support,
..........put the preacher in the mission field and weak places where they ought to be,
..........the dictator, church-destroying, located minister would be outlawed." -- David Lipscomb
> "To employ men to preach the gospel in a Christian congregation is a satire upon that congregation which employs them.
..........It is the duty of every Christian to proclaim the word to those ignorant of it...
That any man is to be paid for preaching, i.e., for making sermons and pronouncing them;
or that any man is to be hired for a stipulated sum to preach and pray, and expound scripture,
by the day, month, or year, I believe to be a relic of popery." -- Alexander Campbell
> "If I declare with loudest voice and clearest exposition every portion of God's Truth except for that one little bit which the world and the devil are at the moment attacking, I am not confessing Christ no matter how boldly I may be professing Christ. For the soldier to be steady on all the battlefield besides is mere flight and disgrace if he flinches at that single point." -- Martin Luther
Paul might say, "Paid preachers are a burden, not a benefit, to a church, weighing it down, stunting it's growth, and making it harder to convert people." Or, as the Church of Christ scholar James A. Harding said,
"The pastor is not a necessity. He is a FUNGUS GROWTH upon the church, the body of Christians, DWARFING its growth, PREVENTING its development of its members; and until the church GETS RID of him it will NEVER prosper as it should. In the Bible we can find all the necessities.
"I can testify from my own observation that a good eldership will lose its efficiency, and its members become both UNABLE and UNWILLING to do the work of elders, in a very few years after the employment of a pastor. And if under the pastor system a good eldership has ever developed, I have never seen or heard of the case. I don't believe that has or ever will be done." --James A. Harding, Gospel Advocate, May 20, 1885
When the world comes to its end the church (collectively) will have restored the religion of Babylon and we will probably be building "synagogues of Satan" when He comes. This view may have prompted Parkes to say that civilized mankind is still organically linked to those of the hunting past--
'Certain members of a tribe, marked out either by unusual skills or by some emotional abnormality, ususally became particularly adept at these operations, and gradually assumed specialized functions. Released from the duty of hunting, and concentrating on the practice of magic, the shaman, sorcerer, or medicine man was the world's first professional." (Parkes, p. 29).
Yes, Parkes said that the magical priesthood was the world's oldest profession. However, history will show that the first and second oldest profession was intimately connected often in the same person.
Implicit in the record of these men is that they acquire their "sacred" duties frequently because they do not have the mental skills to function productively. They might not have the power to pull a bow or the courage to face a raging, wild animal. However, they might perform a musical chant and draw you a picture of your arrow in the rump of a wild boar and make you believe that he was doing his "share" of community work.
"The development both of religion and of the arts can be traced back in a continuous line to the hunting era. The group ritual of the primeval tribesmen were the origin not only of all religious ceremonial, but also of the drama and of poetry and music, while magic gave birth to the visual arts." (Parkes, p. 30).
"Awed by the mysteries of his own spirit no less than by those of nature, primitive man was likely to attribute to divine influence any abnormal emotional state, whether above or below the usual level. Medicine men customarily went into states of trance in which they were believed to be in communication with the gods, and many tribes supposed lunatics and sexual deviants to be divinely possessed.
In most early societies, moreover, men evolved techniques for deliberaly inducing the abnormal forms of consciousness in which they supposed themselves to achieve union with divine power, sometimes by the use of drugs and other physiological stimuli, sometimes by hypnotic dances and music. The wild utterances to which they gave vent on such occasions were regarded as the words of a god and were interpreted as divine commands or predictions of future events." (Parkes, p. 32-33).
"God in the Cow Pen, pictures an old-time camp meeting, with the local prostitute plying her trade in the woods adjacent. There is a relation between sex and the emotional and mystical aspects of religion that deserves a saner and more sympathetic study than it has yet received. Most mystics have been women and many were unmarried or experienced an abnormal sex life. Of the four hundred cases of stigmatization on record, over three hundred were women and all but twenty were unmarried. The language and imagery of the mystics are often extremely erotic" These are "examples of persons in whom sexual abnormality and mysticism blended." (Clark, Elmer T., The Small Sects in America, p. 90n, Abingdon)
It is noted that the Hebrews institutionalized the music of women but then excluded them from clergy. As in all priesthoods, homosexuals often became the "clergy performers" playing the role of women: the Ephod of David was a feminine garment which he removed to make himself vile called "praise."
"The trained musicians which eventually appear around the time of David and Solomon mark a distinctive change in the history of Jewish music. Before this time much of the music was made by women." (Zondervan Pict., Music p. 313).
The church is not pagan worship center with priests, prophets, prostitutes and singers. Rather, one's gathering is most often a form of the word "synagogue." The synagogue had no pyramidal "ministry" system and "there was no praise service in the synagogue." Synagogue or church was School of the Bible and then School of Christ. Having a dominant leader who professes to be Post-Modern is allowing one to extort money while making great fun for being able to fool the fools (Paul's imagery). Or, it might be like hiring Osama Ben Laden to be president of the United States.
This can happen only when elders think that "He is as apt to chase a coon as teach the Bible" is a compliment.
Here is the Beginning-Time and End-Time Babylonian Harlot system of temple and ministry.
The "Assembly of Christ" as organized as a family would operate without professional father or mother. Many later evangelists agree and lament the demise of the the office of evangelist. Expediencey has often called the evangelist in from the cold of the mission field, but it is not possible to assign leadership to a professional as CEO without destroying the male leadership of the collected body. Clergy was imposed to stand between evil people and a holy God under the Law: Christ came to allow all believers to come boldly before His throne. In the Babylonian System the female singers were always "the harem of the gods." The female goddess had the responsibility of prevailing over "the gates of hell." However, she did not have the power until she got the male "leader" drunk and stole the power of music, the eldership and perverted sexuality.
And the "ministry pyramid" can be found in many churches today.
We honor those who still minister rather than master but your tribe is in danger of extinction and the peddlers of "doctors of the law" spit in the face of Jesus who fired them.
Inanna who went through the gates of hell is also ZOE the women who "presides over the flock" by using music and drama. ZOE even subjects the "minor jehovah" into forming a musical worship team even as the clergy tried to induce the perverted Dionysus lament and dance by piping to Jesus.
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Isaiah 59:Jesus Christ Our Only Teacher
The Core Gospel Reserved for the Evangelist
Early Agreement in the Church on Professional Clergy
John Chrysostom on Professional ClergyChrysostom, John Homily I, Worship Drama, Music, Dance or Christ?
Performing Ministers - John Chrysostom, Homily XLVIII Matthew 13:53
John Chrysostom, on John Homily 2, Trinity, Sophists, Philosophers
John Chrysostom Homilies Acts Chapter 7, Acts 7, Stephen Against Law, Temple and Ritual
Irenaeus on Professional Clergy or Preachers
Plato on Professional Clergy or PreachersIon by Plato: Socrates Ridicules Inspired Musicians and Speakers
Timaeus, by Plato: The Hire of a Soldier. 1/29/02
Tertullian on Professional Clergy or PreachersTERTULLIAN - SCORPIACE - ANTIDOTE FOR THE SCORPION'S STING
Tertullian - The Shows, or De Spectaculis - Showtime "Worship"
The Reformation Movement
Erasmus The Priest Who is not honored for taking his salary from rich women and dying of syphillis but as a precursor to the rejection of the Catholic clergy.
The sweet waters of Shilo's streams must ordinarily pass into the Churches through the stinking channel of prelatical pride.
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J. D. Tant Located Preachers Firm Foundation 1934Reading the Word not Professional Clergy in the Restoratiom Movement Thomas Campbell
Daniel Sommers Preachers must be Sent out
Thomas Campbell Evangelists in Restoration Movement
Diotrephes Pastors or Ministry Elders
Preaching as Performance
Narrative Theology: End-Time Result of Ignoring the Will of Christ about Professional Preachers.
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