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Our good brother in the Lord, Leroy Garrett <leroygarrett@verizon.net>, had some interesting remarks about the late Alexander Campbell [1788-1866] in his latest Essay (#315).  On Campbell’s view of dispensations (often referred to as “dispensationism”), Leroy writes:

5.14.11. I have stuffed this paper with lots of examples with REAL links to Scripture, word definitions, and mining those words. I have more to prove that the Musical Worship Teams standing in the holy places of church architecture, claiming divinity by saying they can lead you into the presence of God is always MARK of people already consuming themselves by the fire out of their own lips. From worship teams to College professors there has been a powerful prayer for God to pour out His Holy Fire.

God saw the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai as a prayer to be turned over to worship the starry host:
Psalms 106(105):11 And the waters covered their enemies:
        there was not one of them left.
Psalms 106:12 Then believed they his words;
        they sang his praise.
Psalms 106:13 They soon forgat his works;
        they waited not for his counsel:
Psalms 106:14 But lusted exceedingly in the wilderness,
        and tempted God in the desert.
Psalms 106:15 And he gave them their request;
        but sent leanness into their soul

Tento or tempto 2. To try the strength of, make an attempt upon, i. e. to attack, assail (cf.: aggredior, adorio
In-cĭto , āv “cum tibia lumbos incitat,Juv. 6, 315. —
1. To inspire. nam terrae vis Pythiam Delphis incitabat, naturae Sibyllam, Cic. Div. 1, 36, 79: “mente incitati,

Sătŭrĭtas , ātis, f. id., Humorously personified as the goddess of a parasite, Plaut. Capt. 4, 2, 97.—
C. Concr. (superfluity of food which has been eaten, i. e.), excrements, Plin. 10, 33, 49, § 92 (cf. satietas, I. A. 2.).

Plin. Nat. 10.33 ON THE QUAIL The otus is a smaller bird than the horned owl, though larger than the owlet; it has feathers projecting like ears, whence its name. Some persons call it in the Latin language the "asio;" in general it is a bird fond of mimicking, a great parasite, and, in some measure, a dancer as well. Like the owlet, it is taken without any difficulty; for while one person occupies its attention, another goes behind, and catches it.

Gesner suggests from "asinus," an "ass;" its feathers sticking up like the ears of that animal. Dalechamps thinks it is because its voice resembles the braying of an ass; the name "otus" is from the Greek for "ear."

If the wind, by its contrary blasts, should begin to prevent the onward progress of the flight, the birds immediately take up small stones, or else fill their throats with sand, and so contrive to ballast themselves as they fly. The seeds of a certain venomous plant are most highly esteemed by the quails as food; for which reason it is that they have been banished from our tables; in addition to which, a great repugnance is manifested to eating their flesh, on account of the epilepsy,6 to which alone of all animals, with the exception of man, the quail is subject.

6 "Despuisuetum." See B. xxviii. c. 7. As Hardouin says, in modern times they are considered delicate eating; but Schenkius, Obsers. Med. B. i., states, that if the bird has eaten hellebore, epilepsy is the consequence to the person who partakes of its flesh.
Worshipers deficated in front of Baal-Peor and then spread it on the idol's nose: the Israelites ate these sacririces
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    “Light!  This was the biblical metaphor Campbell used in a broad-ranging presentation of God’s self-disclosure to the human race, which came through a series of dispensations. 

Campbell knew too much to ever say such a thing: he recognized only one spiritual kingdom: that promised by Christ to Abraham and summed up in Galatians 3 where we become the sons of Abraham BY FAITH (which means) being baptized into th
e same Christ:
"The blessing of Abraham was then promised in the patriarchal age antecedent to the Jewish national institution, and independent of it; therefore, that institution can not affect, much less disannul, the blessings promised in the covenant, confirmed before by God, respecting the Messiah, in the time of family worship, and four hundred and thirty years before the Jewish institution began. Campbell on dispensations

In calling Abraham, and in making him the father of many nations, and the depository of still more precious promises and revelations, God did not supersede the family worship. He only added to the stock of religious knowledge, strengthened the faith, and enlarged the hopes of that single family.
He certainly knew the difference between the kingdom and the Jewish National System.  Buff's friends in the Christian Church rely almost totally on the sacrifice of animals during which they made loud noise, never called music. Christ in the prophets denies that God commanded sacrifices or burnt offerings. God turned them over to worship the starry host BECAUSE of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai.

The godly people never added worship at a sacrificial system: they attended the synagogue or Church of Christ in the wilderness. This never changed until the Lord's Supper was added as another teaching activity. The Campbells said that:
        Church is A School of Christ
        Worship is Reading and Musing the word.

It is sorta natural that as people have experiences they have an added fund of knowledge. However, righteouss people never "advanced" in an evolationary stage to give authority for people who would like to progress th Church. 

Garrett: But Malachi, prophesying near the close of the prophetic age, has at least two other references to the coming of the Christian age, according to the New Testament. Malachi 3:1 refers to a coming “messenger” who will “prepare the way for Me,”

Christ in the prophets and apostles never fails to draw a contrast between John10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. and Light or Spirit or Word.  The MARK of people being consumed with their own lips, being driven into "hell" or being cast alive into the lake of fire is exactly the arts and crafts of foolish men: Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites and in the ezekiel 33 example he named rhetoricians, singers and instrument players. They are already "near to burning"

Malachi 3:5 And I will come near to you to judgment;
        and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers,

See how Paul in Galatians identifies those emasculated priests with music and witchcraft.

Matthew Henry [1.] Who the sinners are that must appear to be judged by the gospel of Christ. They are the sorcerers, who died in spiritual wickedness, that forsake the oracles of the God of truth to consult the father of lies;...To the trial which his coming would make of the children of men. He shall be like a refiner's fire, which separates between the gold and the dross by melting the ore, or like fuller's soap, which with much rubbing fetches the spots out of the cloth. Christ came to discover men, that the thoughts of many hearts might be revealed (Lu. 2:35), to distinguish men, to separate between the precious and the vile, for his fan in his hand (Mt. 3:12), to send fire on the earth, not peace, but rather division (Lu. 12:49, 51), to shake heaven and earth, that the wicked might be shaken out (Job 38:13) and that the things which cannot be shaken might remain, Heb. 12:27.

, ĭi, n. maleficus,
1. Fraud, deception, adulteration: “me maleficio vinceres?Plaut. Truc. 2, 6, 20 Speng.; Quint. 7, 4, 36; Plin. 12, 25, 54, § 120.—
Pl. Truc. 2.6 Valour easily finds for itself a fluent eloquence; without valour, for my own part, I esteem an eloquent citizen as a hired mourner4, who praises other people, but can't do the same for herself
4 A hired mourner: The "præficæ" were the women who chanted the "nænia" See the Note to l. 213.

A funeral dirge: "Nænia" was a funeral song among the Romans, recited or chanted by hired female mourners, called "præficæ."

Praeficae Women who were hired to act as mourners at Roman funerals (Plaut. Truc.ii. 6 Truc., 14). They went before the corpse, with their heads bared, their locks disheveled, uttering cries of lamentation and chanting dirges (neniae)

2. Enchantment, sorcery, Tac. A. 2, 69 Orell. N. cr.; App. M. 9, p. 230, 24; 231, 28; cf. “magica,id. Mag. p. 278, 21; Schol. Juv. 6, 595.—
Tac. Ann. 2.69 The terrible intensity of the malady was increased by the belief that he had been poisoned by Piso. And certainly there were found hidden in the floor and in the walls disinterred remains of human bodies, incantations and spells, and the name of Germanicus inscribed on leaden tablets, half-burnt cinders smeared with blood, and other horrors by which in popular belief souls are devoted so the infernal deities  See 2 Chronicles 33 For Jerusalem following Hezekiah's plague stopping slaughter.
Măgĭcus , a, um, adj., = μαγικός, I. of or belonging to magic, magic, magical (poet. and in post-Aug. prose): “artes,Verg. A. 4, 493: “magicis auxiliis uti,Tib. 1, 8, 24: “arma movere,Ov. M. 5, 197: “superstitiones,Tac. A. 12, 59: vanitates,Plin. 30, 1, 1, § 1: “herbae,id. 24, 17, 99, § 156: “aquae,Prop. 4, 1, 102 (5, 1, 106): di magici, that were invoked by incantations (as Pluto, Hecate, Proserpine), Tib. 1, 2, 62; Luc. 6, 577: “linguae,” i. e. hieroglyphics, id. 3, 222; “but lingua,skilled in incantations, Ov. M. 7, 330; Luc. 3, 224: cantus,Juv. 6, 610: “magicae resonant ubi Memnone chordae,mysterious, id. 15, 5.

Mălĕfĭcus (in MSS. also mălĭfĭ-cus ), a, um, adj. malefacio,
B. In partic., magical: “artes,Vulg. 2 Par. 33, 6.—As substt.
1. mălĕfĭcus , i, m., a magician, enchanter: “de maleficis et mathematicis,Cod. Just. 9, 18, 5: “magi qui malefici vulgi consuetudine nuncupantur,ib. 9, 18, 7; Schol. Juv. 6, 594.—
Leroy Garrett: Malachi 4:5 refers to the coming of the prophet Elijah, and in Matthew 11:14 Jesus applies this to John the Baptist. Even if the prophecy about the Sun of Righteousness is nowhere referenced in the New Testament, it would be consistent with message of Malachi for it to be seen as Messianic.

See Matthew where the violent (Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites as rhetoricians, sinngers, instrument players) then and now take the kingom by violent force.
Matthew 11:7 ¶ And as they departed, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John,
        What went ye out into the wilderness to see?
A reed shaken with the wind?
Don-eô, A. shake, of the effects of the wind, to de te pnoiai doneousin they shake the young tree, agitate, excite,
(but d. kardian to agitate one's mind, Fr.8); “osmē . . muktēra doneiMnesim.4.60; “hēmas edonēsen mousikēAlciphr.Fr.6.12:—Pass., Asiē edoneeto Asia was in commotio
kardian to agitate one's mind,II. of sound, murmur, buzz, of bees, prob. in h.Merc.563; d. throon humnōn rouse the voice of song, Pi.N.7.81:—also in Med. or Pass., “luran te boai kanakhai t' aulōn doneontaiId.P.10.39; of bees, Choeril.2; “rhoizēmasin aithēr doneitaiAr.Av.1183.—Poet. word, used in Ion., X.Smp.2.8, and late Prose; of medical percussion, Aret.SD2.1.

Matthew 11:8 But what went ye out for to see?
        A man clothed in soft raiment?
         behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings’ houses.

Malakos g. of reasoning, weak, loose, logosIsoc.12.logoslian m. Arist.Metaph.1090b8 . Adv. -kôs, sullogizesthai to reason loosely
2. music to which a song is set, tune, logou te kai harmonias kai rhuthmoum
III. of persons or modes of life, soft, mild, gentle, malakōteros amphaphaasthai easier to handle, of a fallen hero, Il.22.373;
c. morally weak, lacking in self-control, Hdt.7.153 (Comp.); “antikeitai m. ho karterikosArist.EN1150a33: c. inf., “malakos karterein pros hēdonas te kai lupasPl.R.556c; “to truphōn kai m.Ar.V.1455 (lyr.); m. ouden endidonai not to give in from weakness or want of spirit, Hdt.3.51,105, Ar.Pl.488; ta m. indulgences

d. = pathētikos, PHib.1.54.11 (iii B.C.), 1 Ep.Cor.6.9, Vett.Val.113.22, D.L.7.173.
e. of music, soft, effeminate, “m. harmoniaiPl.R.398e, 411a, cf. Arist.Pol.1290a28; tuned to a low pitch, opp. “suntonos, khrōma m.Cleonid.Harm.7, etc.
Harmonia , h(, (harmozō)
IV. in Music, stringing,ha. toxou kai lurasHeraclit.51, cf. Pl.Smp.187a: hence, method of stringing, musical scale, Philol.6, etc., Nicom.Harm.9; esp. octave,ek pasōn oktō ousōn phōnōn mian ha. sumphōneinPl.R.617b; “hepta khordai ha.Arist. Metaph.1093a14, cf. Pr.919b21; of the planetary spheres, in Pythag. theory, Cael.290b13, Mu.399a12, etc.
2. generally, music,autō de rhuthmō mimountai khōris ha.Id.Po.1447a26.
3. special type of scale, mode,ha. LudiaPi.N.4.46; Aiolis or -ēis Pratin.Lyr.5, Lasus I, cf. Pl.R.398e, al., Arist.Pol.1276b8, 1341b35, etc.
b. esp. the enharmonic scale, Aristox.Harm.p.I M., Plu.2.1135a, al.
4. harmonian logōn labōn a due arrangement of words, fit to be set to music, Pl.Tht.175e.
5. intonation or pitch of the voice, Arist.Rh. 1403b31.
6. metaph. of persons and things, harmony, concord, Pl.R.431e, etc.

Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until
        now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence,
        and the violent take it by force.

-Vĭŏlentus , a, um, adj. vis, “turbo,id. 5, 217; 5, 368; 5, 1231:
turbo , āvi, ātum, 1, v. a. (Col. 5, 5, 17: “duae res violentissimae, ferrum et ignis,Plin. 37, 4, 15, § 59
A. (Mostly poet.) The fire or glow of passion, in a good or bad sense; of anger, rage, fury: “exarsere ignes animo,
raving, inspiration, Stat. Ach. 1, 509: “quae simul aethereos animo conceperat ignes, ore dabat pleno carmina vera dei,Ov. F. 1, 473

The sacrificial system was not commanded by God: it was imposed when the elders rejected God's rule and demanded a national king who could slaughter their national enemies. All sacrifices began with the urge to do violence to the "gods" because of their lack of concern or even hostile attitude toward mankind.

Matthew 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

Matthew 11:14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

Matthew 11:15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Matthew 11:16 ¶ But whereunto shall I liken this generation?
        It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,

Matthew 11:17 And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced;
        we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.

Luke 16:14 And the Pharisees also, who were covetous,
        heard all these things: and they derided him.

Luke 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men;
        but God knoweth your hearts:
        for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

Our own Alexander Campbell found this prophecy particularly meaningful, and he was persuaded that the prophet was referring to the coming of Christ. It became the text for one of his favorite “discourses.”

The Sun of Righteousness shall rise with healing in its wings. — Malachi 4:3

This makes it clear that there was “progress” of revelation — an increasing measure of light — from the fragmentary revelation of the past — “various times and various ways” — to the ultimate revelation in Jesus Christ, the light of the world.

Rather, in all of the Prophets Christ speaks of getting the Jewish National System OUT OF THE WAY: Divorced, so that the only spiritual Covenant made with Abraham could be relieved of its burdens of Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites Christ named as speakers, singers and instrument players.

You do use LAKES OF FIRE to reform something: you baptize the viper race with WIND and Fire so that the Chaff can be collected in one place to be burned up: already beginning as the scholars call down God's Holy Fires.

Mal 4:1 FOR, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

Stubble cannot be REFORMED and so the Campbell's called for RESTORATION and not REFORMATION.

Malachi 4.1 ecce enim dies veniet succensa quasi caminus et erunt omnes superbi et omnes facientes impietatem stipula et inflammabit eos dies veniens dicit Dominus exercituum quae non relinquet eis radicem et germen
Sŭperbus I.  In a bad sense, that thinks himself above others, haughty, proud, arrogant, insolent, discourteous, uncivil, rude, supercilious, domineering (cf.: arrogans, insolens, fastidiosus, vanus, elatus) “nimis triumviratu suo,Plin. 9, 35, 59, § 122:
Fābŭla , II. In partic. (freq. and class.), a fictitious narrative, a tale, story (syn.: apologus, narratio): narrationum tris accepimus species, fabulam, quae versatur in tragoediis atque carminibus non a veritate modo, sed etiam a forma veritatis remota, argumentum ... historiam, 1. Most freq., a dramatic poem, drama, play (syn.: ludus, cantus, actio, etc.): in full, fabula scaenica,Amm. 28, 1, 4; “or, theatralis,id. 14, 6, 20: “fabula ad actum scenarum composita,Quint. 5, 10, 9; cf. id. 11, 3, 73 sq.: “
Titus 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables(not CENI)
        and commandments of men,                 (not CENI)
        that turn from the truth.                                  (CENI)

, o(,  7. talk of men, rumour, “aggelian . . tan ho megas m. aexeiS.Aj.226 (lyr.), cf. 188 (lyr., pl.), E.IA72; report, message, S.Tr.67 (pl.), E.Ion 1340.
2. fiction (opp. logos, historic truth), Pi.O.1.29 (pl.), N.7.23 (pl.), Pl.Phd.61b, Prt.320c, 324d, etc. epos , words, speeches, 1. song or lay accompanied by music, 8.91,17.519.
Epagoge 2. bringing in to one's aid, introduction
4. allurement, enticement,tais elpisi kai tais e.D.19.322.
b. incantation, spell, in pl., Pl.R.364c, Lg.933d; Hekatēs phaskōn epagōgēn gegonenais pell, Thphr.Char.16.7.
7. leading away into captivity, captivity, LXX Is.14.17: generally, distress, misery,Si.23.14  saying that Hecate had put it under a ib.

Psallō , fut. I. In gen., to play upon a stringed instrument; esp., to play upon the cithara, to sing to the cithara: psallere saltare elegantius, [carry away] 1. to convey away (from the family) by bequest, to bequeath away,

Pulso I. inf. parag. pulsarier, Lucr. 4, 931), 1, v. freq. a. id., to push, strike, beat (cf.: tundo, ferio, pello).
Of musical instruments:chordas digitis et pectine eburno,to strike, play upon, Verg. A. 6, 647: “chelyn,” (harpVal. Fl. 1, 139: “pectine nervos,Sil. 5, 463: “cymbala,Juv. 9, 62.
A. In gen., to urge or drive on, to impel, to set in violent motion, to move, agitate, disturb, disquiet:

C. To drive away, remove, put out of the way
Psalmus , i, m., = psalmos, i. q. psalma,
I. In gen., to play upon a stringed instrument; esp., to play upon the cithara, to sing to the cithara: “psallere saltare elegantius,Sall. C. 25, 2

Elego I. to convey away (from the family) by bequest, to bequeath away, Petr. 43, 5; Gai. Inst. 2, 215.
Vānus , a, um, adj. etym. dub.; cf. vaco, I. that contains nothing, empty, void. vacant.
II. Trop., empty as to purport or result, idle, null, groundless, unmeaning, fruitless, vain
Oratio non suis vana laudibus, non crimine alieno laeta,id. 4, 41, 1.— ” weak, wavering
3. Vanum est, with subject-clause: “vanum arbitror esse circa canis ortum angues candidos membranam eam exuere,Plin. 30, 3, 8, § 25.—
Triumphus,Hor. C. 1, 35,  Phoebe superbe lyrā, (Apollo --Apollyon, Abaddon's Lyre)
Philemonem fabulae superbiunt,Plin. 37, 7, 33, § 106.
Ăpollo , ĭnis (earlier Ăpello Abaddon, Apollyon
is found in Plaut. Men. 5, 2, 119; Neue, Formenl. I. p. 165), m., = Apollōn, Apollo, son of Jupiter and Latona, twinbrother of Diana, and god of the sun. On account of his omniscience, god of divination; on account of his lightnings (belē), god of archery (hence represented with quiver and dart), and of the pestilence caused by heat; but, since his priests were the first physicians, also god of the healing art; and since he communicated oracles in verse, god of poetry and music, presiding over the Muses, etc.; cf. Hor. C. S. 61 sq. In more ancient times, represented as a protecting deity, by a conical pillar in the streets and highways

"This relationship also explains why the expression for "making music" and "prophesying" was often identical in the ancient tongues. origen contra celsum 8.67. (Quasten, Johannes, Music and Worship in Pagan and Christian Antiquity, p. 39)

h2086 arrogant, presumptuous, proud

Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites: in the Ezekiel 33 version Christ names Speakers, singers and instrument player. The mark of both performer and "contio" or assembly was that they have no intention to hearing and obeying God's Words.
Psa. 94:10 He that chastiseth the heathen, shall not he correct?
        he that teacheth man knowledge, shall not he know?
Psa. 94:11 The LORD knoweth the thoughts of man, that they are vanity.

, a, um, adj. etym. dub.; cf. vaco, I. that contains nothing, empty, void. vacant.
II. Trop., empty as to purport or result, idle, null, groundless, unmeaning, fruitless, vain
Oratio non suis vana laudibus, non crimine alieno laeta,id. 4, 41, 1.— ” weak, wavering
3. Vanum est, with subject-clause: “vanum arbitror esse circa canis ortum angues candidos membranam eam exuere,Plin. 30, 3, 8, § 25.—
Cano a. In gen., to sing, to cause to resound, to celebrate in song, to sing of, Lucr. 5, 328: “laudes mortui, Examples for the signif. to practice magic, to charm,

Musical performance and dogs were always connected in religion.

Cănis a. A shameless, vile person, Plaut. Most. 1, 1, 40; Ter. Eun. 4, 7, 33 Donat. ad loc.; Hor. Epod. 6, 1; cf. id. S. 2, 2, 56; Petr. 74, 9; Suet. Vesp. 13. —
b. A fierce or enraged person, Plaut. Men. 5, 1, 14; 5, 1, 18; Hyg. Fab. 3; cf. Cic. Rosc. Am. 20, 57; Sen. Cons. Marc. 22, 5.—
2. As the regular designation of the hangers-on or parasites of an eminent or rich Roman; a follower, dog, creature: “multa sibi opus esse, multa canibus suis quos circa se habuit,Cic. Verr. 2, 1, 48, § 126: “

dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. Ps.22:16

Psalm 21.17  quoniam circumdederunt me canes multi concilium malignantium obsedit me foderunt manus meas et pedes meos

Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog. Psalm 22:20

Assembly is: Edah (h5712)ay-daw'; fem. of 5707 in the orig. sense of fixture; a stated assemblage (spec. a concourse, or gen. a family or crowd: - assembly, company, congregation, multitude, people, swarm.

A legalist cannot worship God in any sense: you have to abandon your talent
Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein,
        seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth,
        dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Acts 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men’s hands,
        as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
Făcĭo to make, fabricate, “poëma,to compose, id. Pis. 29, 70: carmina,Juv. 7, 28: versus,id. 7, 38: sermonem,Cic. Fam. 9, 8, 1; cf. “litteram,id. Ac. 2, 2, 6: ludos, to celebrate, exhibit = edere, id. Rep. 2, 20; id. Att. 15, 10; “also i. q. ludificari,Plaut. Capt. 3, 4, 47:

Carmen inis, n 1 CAS-, a song, poem, verse, oracular response, prophecy, form of incantation, tune, air, lay, strain, note, sound (vocal or instrumental): canentes carmina, L.: Carmine vocali clarus, O.: lyrae, Pr.: per me concordant carmina nervis, O.: ferale, V.: cygnorum, O.: citharā carmina divides, H.: barbaricum, O. — Esp., a composition in verse, poem, poetry, verse, song: cantūs et carmina, melodies and words: Maeonii carminis alite, H.: tragicum, H.: carmina Livi, H.: Lydis remixto carmine tibiis, H.: famosum, abusive, H.: canere, to compose: pueris canto,

Sermo , ōnis, m. 2. sero, qs. serta, conserta oratio, I. a speaking or talking with any one; talk, conversation, discourse:

Here is the inclusive and exclusive pattern from the Church in the wilderness onward.
Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time
        hath in every city
        them that preach him,
        being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.


1Peter 4:11 If any man speak,
        let him speak as the oracles of God;
        if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:

A. LŏquorTo speak, declare, show, indicate or express clearly
log-ion , to, . ta l. Kuriou the sayings of the Lord, LXX Ps.11(12).6, cf.Act.Ap.7.38, Ep.Rom.3.2, 1 Ep.Pet.4.11. opposite to khresmologos
        the former being prose, the latter verse

Speak is OPPOSITE to:
Pagan oracles  Thuc. 2.8  [2] but many prophecies were told and many sung by the priests of the oracles both in the cities about to war and in others.

khrēsmolog-os (parox.), on,
A. uttering oracles,kh. anērsoothsayer, diviner, Hdt.1.62, 8.96; of Musaeus, S.Fr.1116.
B. God's Sermons   2. Ordinary speech, speaking, talking, the language of conversation (opp. contentio) oratio
Of prose as opposed to poetry: comoedia . et tragicus
    b. Concr., of verses in a conversational style
The Purpose of speaking what the Bible speaks:

that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

He shall not cry, nor lift up (magnify Himself as keynoter), nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. Isaiah 42:2

H6817 tsâ‛aq tsaw-ak' A primitive root; to shriek; (by implication) to proclaim (an assembly):— X at all, call together, cry (out), gather (selves) (together). cry out for help

clāmo I. a. [Sanscr. kar-, to celebrate; I. Neutr., to call, cry out, shout aloud, to complain with a loud voice, vociferari (class. and very freq.; mostly of human beings): populus convolat; Tumultuantur, clamant, pugnant de loco “triumphum,Ov. Am. 1, 2, 25: “Saturnalia,Liv. 22, 1, 20: “pulchre! bene! recte!Hor. A. P. 428.—

Triumphus (in the earliest per. written triumpus ;
Ac-cĭpĭo ,I. In gen., to take a person or thing to one's self,
E. In mercant. lang., t. t., to receive or collect a sum:

Acts 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us: Acts 7:39 To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt,
Acts 7:40 Saying unto Aaron, Make us gods to go before us: for as for this Moses, which brought us out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.
Acts 7:41 And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands.
Euphrainō , Ep. euphr-, fut. Att.155.12, Pi.I.7(6).3
Pind. I. 6 Just as we mix the second bowl of wine when the men's symposium is flourishing, here is the second song of the Muses for Lampon's children and their athletic victories: first in Nemea, Zeus, in your honor they received the choicest of garlands,

Pind. I. 7   In which of the local glories of the past, divinely blessed Thebe, did you most delight your spirit? Was it when you raised to eminence the one seated beside Demeter of the clashing bronze cymbals, flowing-haired [5] Dionysus? Or when you received, as a snow-shower of gold in the middle of the night, the greatest of the gods, when he stood in the doorway of Amphitryon, and then went in to the wife to beget Heracles?

But since ancient grace sleeps, and mortals are forgetful of whatever does not reach the highest bloom of skillful song, joined to glorious streams of words, [20] then begin the victory procession with a sweet-singing hymn for Strepsiades;

All rhetoric and music inflames people: it creates spiritual anxiety through religious rituals (the laded burden)

I. o set on fire, light up, kindle (syn. incendere).
II. Trop., of the mind, to inflame, kindle, rouse, excite: “contionibus et legibus invidiam senatus,Cic. Verr. 1, 1: “sensus animorum atque motus,id. de Or. 1, 14, 60: “inflammari ad cupiditates,id. Tusc. 1, 19, 44
Contĭo. a meeting, assembly that is called together by a magistrate or priest
II. Meton., a discourse, oration before a public assembly: “legi contionem tuam,Cic. Fam. 9, 14, 7; cf.: “audiri jam et legi novas contiones,Tac. A. 5, 4 fin.: “habere contionem ... quā in oratione,Cic. Agr. 2, 1, 1;

-Flammo , B. [select] Trop., to inflame, kindle, incite: “sic donis vulgum laudumque cupidine flammat,
The Flamin or Incenter starts the song to LIGHT THE FIRES of civil war
-Incentor , ōris, m. id.,
I. one who sets the tune or begins to sing, a precentor, singer (post-class.).
I. Lit.: “carminis,Paul. Nol. Carm. 15, 32: “incentore canam Phoebo Musisque magistris,Avien. Perieg. 895; Isid. 6, 9, 13.—
II. Trop., an inciter, exciter: “igneus turbarum,Amm. 15, 1, 2:civilis belli, Oros. 5, 19: “rebellionis totius,id. 6, 11.
Ignĕus , a, um, adj. id.,
I. of fire, fiery, on fire, burning, burning-hot (cf.: fervidus, calidus).
II. Trop., fiery, glowing, burning, fervid, ardent, vehement (poet.): “furor,Ov. M. 9, 541: “vigor,Verg. A. 6, 730: “virtus,Luc. 9, 7: “volat igneus aequore Tarchon,Verg. A. 11, 746; cf.: igneus in pugnas, in Martem et proelia et hostem, burning for the strife, etc.
Verg. A. 11.746 Then to the conflict dire
the god thrust Tarchon forth, the Tyrrhene King,
goading the warrior's rage. So Tarchon rode
through slaughter wide and legions in retreat,
and roused the ranks with many a wrathful cry:
he called each man by name, and toward the foe
drove back the routed lines. “What terrors now,
Tuscan cowards, dead to noble rage,
have seized ye? or what laggard sloth and vile
unmans your hearts, that now a woman's arm
pursues ye and this scattered host confounds?
Why dressed in steel, or to what purpose wear
your futile swords? Not slackly do ye join
the ranks of Venus [Lucifer, Zoe] in a midnight war;
or when fantastic pipes of Bacchus call
your dancing feet, right venturesome ye fly
to banquets and the flowing wine—what zeal,
what ardor then! Or if your flattering priest
begins the revel, and to Iofty groves
fat flesh of victims bids ye haste away!”
-Incentor, o-ris, m. [id.] , one who sets the tune or begins to sing, a precentor, singer (post-class.).

I. Lit.: carminis, Paul. Nol. Carm. 15, 32 : [1] incentore [2] canam [3] Phoebo [4] Musisque [5] magistris, Avien. Perieg. 895 ; Isid. 6, 9, 13.--

II. Trop., an [A] inciter, exciter: [B] igneus [C] turbarum, Amm. 15, 1, 2 : civilis belli, Oros. 5, 19 : rebellionis [renewal of war] totius, id. 6, 11 . Flamen Hislop

-Incensor I. one who kindles or sets fire to, II. Trop., an inciter, instigator: turbarum
Hence, adv.: inflammanter, in an inflammatory manner: “acriter et inflammanter facit complorationem,Gell. 10, 3, 13.

Exercitus ūs a disciplined body of men, army : A multitude, host, swarm, flock : corvorum, V.
In Isaiah 30 Christ through Isaiah shows that the MARKS in sight and sound of God driving His enemies into "hell" are wind, string and percussion instruments.
Isa 30:30 And the Lord shall make his glorious voice to be hearrd
        and the wrath of his arm, to make a display with wrath and of anger and devouring flame:
        he shall lighten terribly, and his wrath shall be as water and violent hail.

Isa 30:31 For by the voice of the Lord the Assyrians shall be overcome,
        even by the stroke wherewtith he shall smit them.

Isa 3032 And is shall happen to him from every side,
        that they from whome their hope of assistance was,    
        in which he trusted, themselves shall war against him in turn with drums and with harp.

This is the fate of all of the "national" systems including Jerusalem.

In Revelation 17 The Babylon Mother of harlots uses lusted after fruits (same as in Amos) (Rev 18) as speakers, singers and instrument players.  John calls them sorcerers and says that dogs and sorcerers will be cast alive into the lake of fire.


Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts.

Mal 4:4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.

Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

Mal 4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Its location in the Bible, at the threshold of the New Testament, is one reason some interpreters see it as anticipating the Christian age, with Christ himself as the Sun of Righteousness, being the full measure of God’s light, the ultimate of revelation.

That's wonderful: Christ spoke through the godly Prophets to repudiated the Jewish National system used now as a patternism.  Jesus of Nazareth made these prophecies more perfect says Peter and no one is allowed private interpretation of further expounding. To do otherwise is to be marked as a false teacher.  Christ defined the REST day both inclusively and exclusively.  Second Peter 2 proves that Instrumental noise in the School of the word is the MARK of false teachers.

There was first the Patriarchal dispensation, which Campbell called the Starlight Age.   This was followed by the Mosaic dispensation, which would include the age of the prophets—which he saw as the Moonlight Age.  There was an intermediate dispensation of John the Baptist [Immerser] as the Elijah who was to come, and the dawning of the kingdom of God, which was the Twilight Age.  Then, at last, as Malachi proclaims, the Sun of Righteousness comes with healing rays of God’s abounding grace in the form of a Person [Messiah Jesus and the Grace Era].”

As too often, this has no reference to Campbell and may be Garrett's "reforming" Campbell.  The prophets by Christ were ANTITHETICAL to the king, kingdom, temple, sacrifices and the exorcism sounds never called music.

Buff the Reformer:
It should be noted just here that Campbell used “dispensation” as the ordering of events under divine authority.  Only in that sense was he a “dispensationist,” in spite of his current-day enemies who accuse him of being one.  Campbell was correct.  Leroy notes, “This makes it clear that there was ‘progress’ of revelation, or an increasing measure of light, from the fragmentary revelation of the past—‘various times and various ways’—to the ultimate revelation in Jesus Christ, the light of the world” [Heb. 1:1].

Christ has been in charge from the beginning; the church is built upon the foundation of the prophets and apostles. Christ spoke through the Prophets and the Civil-Military-Clergy people murdered them. Christ repudiates all of the sacrificial system and says that God did not command sacrifices or burnt offerings. God turned the state over to worship the starry host and sentenced them beyond Babylon.

Jesus was send to make these old prophecies more perfect and Peter said that expounding of the prophets was not subject to private interpretation or further expounding.

The people who lived during the time of the synagogue were not ignorant pagans: the synagogue or church was always to supply people with what they needed to live a righteous and jsut life.

Buff the Reformer
    I often describe God’s intervention in human affairs, or His ordering of historical events, as:

1)  The Childhood Age;  
2)  The Adolescent Age;  
3)  The Median Age;
4)  The Adult Age.

In essence, this is what Campbell was saying.  Many of his lectures revolved around the “progressive nature of God’s revelation,” as Leroy explains.  It is interesting, according to our good brother, that Campbell never called his messages “sermons,” but “discourses.”

That is not what Campbell taught in His Dispensations.

Most religionists deny any dispensational distinction.  However, all of the historic scholars understood that the Jewish NATIONAL system was God's abandonment of them to worship the starry host.  Campbell does not split the Abrahamic Covanent in any sense.  What Leroy Garrett and Buff the Reformer miss in mocking "water salvation" is Galatians 3 where Paul showed that one is made a Son of Abraham by FAITH (for or meaning that) he that has been baptized into Christ. And is then connected to the ONE Covenant of Grace.

All of Buff's pals and the Grace Centered members think that being abandoned to worship the starry host with musical idolatry is JUST THE PATTERNISM FOR THEM.

Buff the Reformer Alexander Campbell has been misunderstood, misrepresented, and misquoted by many—particularly those within the evangelical camp. 
        1. But let it be said that he was not a “restorationist,” but a reformer
        2. not the founder of the a cappella Church of Christ
        3. not a promoter of “water salvation”; 
        4. and not a supporter of any of the
sects among us.

1. But let it be said that he was not a “restorationist,” but a reformer;  

: Claiming that the Campbells just wanted to "reform" the sects so that they could UNITE with them is a devious way to denounce those who do not endorse false teachings.

8. The views of the Millennial Harbinger on this subject are condensed in a work called "Christianity Restored," or, as we have designated it, "A Connected View of the Principles," &c. "of the Foundation on which all Christians may form one communion." (See its title-page!!)

Volume 2. Number 7. February 7, 1825,
pp. 124-131.
A Restoration of the Ancient Order of Things--No. I. by Alexander Campbell, pp. 124-128.

Human systems, whether of philosophy or of religion, are proper subjects of reformation; but christianity cannot be reformed. Every attempt to reform christianity is like an attempt to create a new sun, or to change the revolutions of the heavenly bodies--unprofitable and vain. In a word we have had reformations enough.
The very name has become as offensive, as the term "Revolution" in France. 
A restoration of the ancient order of things is all that is necessary

to the happiness and usefulness of christians.

No attempt "to reform the doctrine, discipline and government of the church," (a phrase too long in use,) can promise a better result than those which have been attempted and languished to death
Volume 3. Number 9. April 3, 1826, pp. 225-233. On this subject I have said but little, except by way of allusion to existing customs, and have generally condemned, and must condemn the popular course. I have said something on the word minister, which I believe to be of importance in this question. But I have not arrived in my course of essays on "the Restoration" to that place which would lead me to exhibit what I deem the views of the New Testament on the bishop's office, call, ordination, and support.

That any man is to be paid at all for preaching, i. e. making sermons and pronouncing them; or that any man is to be hired for a stipulated sum to preach and pray, and expound scripture, by the day, month, or year, I believe to be a relic of popery.

And, in the third place, Ought not every christian who prays for the millennial state, or a restoration of the ancient order of things, to labor to promote so desirable an event by all the means in his power?

A Restoration of the Ancient Order of Things.--No. XII.: The Bishop's Office--No. 1. by Alexander Campbell, pp. 231-233.

Christian Union--No. II. by Christian Union, pp. 171-174. Christian Union.--No II. "Every real Christian will obey God, rather than men. "My sheep" said the Saviour, "hear my voice and they follow me--a stranger they will not follow."

All that is needed for the restoration of the church to the apostolic order, is, that Christians be Christians, and act as the disciples of Jesus Christ. Let them throw aside their sectarian distinctions, and the commandments of men, and take the name of their Lord, and the word of God, and cultivate mutual forbearance towards each other, and tenderness for each other's conscientious differences in opinions, according to Romans

Number 7. February 7, 1825, pp. 124-131.
A Restoration of the Ancient Order of Things--No. I. by Alexander Campbell, pp. 124-128

Number 8. March 7, 1825, pp. 131-137.
A Restoration of the Ancient Order of Things--No. II. by Alexander Campbell, pp. 133-136.

Etc, Etc.
xiv. and they will quickly feel the truth and meaning of what the Saviour said, "If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine whether it be of God." And again, "If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed: and you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." And "If the Son shall make you free you shall be free indeed:"--free from error, and ignorance, and sectarian bigotry, and free to love Christ and his people and cause universally, and free to be engaged in all Christian duties for promoting the conversion of the world, and for making mankind happy and glorious.
2. not the founder of the a cappella Church of Christ;

You are supposed to think that the a cappella Church of Christ was "founded" outside of the Restoration Movement. The Church of Christ has existed under that name from the beginning. It practiced baptism FOR the remission of sins since Jesus said that the believeth-nots (apistos) meaning COMPLIETH NOTS shall be damned.

No historic church did a cappella singing congregationally: this was always a team of falsetto or castrated clergy chanters. The Catholics did not sing congregationaly with organ accompaniment. Buff does not know that none of the Bible (the commanded text) is metrical and you cannot sing it if your life depended upon it.

Resource: Instruments were unheard of in this connection with the restoration until early in the Nineteenth Century. Reference was made to it as early as 1827 in the United States General Conference in which Barton W. Stone played a leading role. "In 1827 it passed resolutions condemning the use of the title `Reverend' and the employment of instrumental music in public worship."(3) There appears to have been some controversy over the question of its use as early as 1851 according to an article in the Ecclesiastical Reformer. Earl West refers to the incident by saying, "There was a brief flare-up of the issue in Kentucky as early as 1851. This affair, while it was brief, yet it was intense."(4) Mr. West further stated that on February 22, 1851 a man who signed his name "W" wrote to J.B. Henshall, associate editor of the Ecclesiastical Reformer, the following letter: "Brother Henshall - What say you of instrumental music in our churches? Should not the Christian Church have organs or Bass Viols that the great object of Psalmody might be consummated? Would not such instruments add greatly to the solemnity of worship, and cause the hearts of the saints to be raised to a higher state of devotion while the deep toned organ would swell its notes of `awful sound'?" I think it is high time that we awaken to the importance of this church music. I hope, therefore, that you will give your views in extense, on this much neglected subject."(5)

3. not a promoter of “water salvation”; 

Leroy Garrett Baptism denied.
Leroy Garrett: Our people in Churches of Christ and in the Restoration Movement generally have always emphasized Acts 2:38 as teaching that baptism is for the remission of sins. It is, after all, a straightforward passage: "Repent and be baptized for the remission of sins.

But we have had some difficulty in harmonizing this verse with other equally clear passages, such as "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved" (Acts 16:31).
We readers didn't have any trouble: Paul taught Lydia, she believed and was baptized.  Pretty simple. Yet, Buff the Reformer is bent on causing people to be Apistos or believeth nots which word defines treachery, revolt.

Buff does not know anyone who promotes "water salvation."  Alexander Campbell said in the Lunenburg Correspondence:

"None of our brethren regard baptism as only outward.

They all believe that in the outward submersion of the body in the water,
        there is at the same time the
inward submersion of the mind and heart into Christ. 
They do moreover suppose that the former may be without the latter.
They have only to add
that it is possible for the latter to be not without the former in some sense, but without it in the sense which Christ ordained.

But to conclude for the present--he that claims for himself a license to neglect the least of all the commandments of Jesus

because it is possible for some to be saved who through insuperable ignorance or involuntary mistake, do neglect or transgress it;
or he that
wilfully neglects to ascertain the will of the Lord to the whole extent of his means and opportunities because some who are defective in that knowledge may be Christians,
        is not possessed of the spirit of Christ and cannot be registered among the Lord's people.

       So I reason; and I think in so reasoning I am sustained by all the Prophets and Apostles
       of both Testaments.
4e. and not a supporter of any of the sects among us.
Since none of the protestant churches used instrumental music at this time, and groups known as The Church of Christ always rejected instruments especially as the Campbells flowed out of Calvinism. This was the view held ENTOTO by these groups, the Disciples/Christian church created an INSTRUMENTAL SECTARIAN division when they added instruments with no need for authority and knowing that they would sow discord. Alexander Campbell knew that the instrumentalists were a SECT and he urged people to come out of Babylon.

Buff the Reformer:
Instead, his main thrusts were reformation and unity within the Christian community.  It is especially striking that in his Living Oracles not once does he translate the Greek ekklesia “church.”  He knew his Greek well, and although he occasionally employed “church” in his writings accommodatingly, he well knew that the Greek ekklesia did not warrant our English “churc


The real Alexander Campbell in the Lunenburg Correspondence.

In reply to this conscientious sister, I observe, that if there be no Christians in the Protestant sects, there are certainly none among the sects, none among the Jews, Turks, Pagans; and therefore no Christians in the world except ourselves, or such of us as keep, or strive to keep, all the commandments of Jesus.

Therefore, for many centuries there has been no church of Christ, no Christians in the world; and the promises concerning the everlasting kingdom of Messiah have failed, and the gates of hell have prevailed against his church! This cannot be; and therefore there are Christians among the sects.

They are not Christians because they are sectarians and they will, when taught, COME OUT of the sects.

But who is a Christian? I answer, Every one that believes in his heart that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah, the son of God; repents of his sins, and obeys him in all things according to his measure of knowledge of his will.

And while I would unhesitatingly say that I think that every man who despises any ordinance of Christ or who is willingly ignorant of it, cannot be a Christian;

still I should sin against my own convictions, should I teach any one to think that if he mistook the meaning of any institution while in his soul he desired to know the whole will of God he must perish forever.

But to conclude for the present--he that claims for himself a license to neglect the least of all the commandments of Jesus

because it is possible for some to be saved who through insuperable ignorance or involuntary mistake, do neglect or transgress it;
or he that
wilfully neglects to ascertain the will of the Lord to the whole extent of his means and opportunities because some who are defective in that knowledge may be Christians,
        is not possessed of the spirit of Christ and cannot be registered among the Lord's people.

       So I reason; and I think in so reasoning I am sustained by all the Prophets and Apostles of both Testaments.

Not only does Leroy Garrett TEACH people that baptism is not required, most of his advocated make a great exertion to CONVINCE people that they do not have to be baptized.
1. Let me ask, in the first place, what could mean all that we have written upon the union of Christians on apostolic grounds,
        had we taught that all Christians in the world
were already united in our own community?

2. And in the second place, why should we so often have quoted and applied to apostate Christendom what the Spirit saith to saints in Babylon--"Come out of her, my people, that you partake not of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues"--had we imagined that the Lord had no people beyond the pale of our communion!

3. But let him that yet doubts, read the following passages from the Christian Baptist, April, 1825:--

"I have no idea of seeing, nor wish to see, the sects unite in one grand army.
This would be dangerous to our liberties and laws. For this the Saviour did not pray.

It is only the
disciples dispersed among them that reason and benevolence would call out of them, "&c. &c. This looks very like our present opinion of Christians among the sects!!! 2d ed. Bethany, p. 85.

4. Again, speaking of purity of speech in order to the union of Christians, we say,

"None of you [Christians] have ever yet attempted to show
        how Christians can be
united on your principles.
        You have often showed how they may be
and how each party may hold its own, but while you pray for the visible unity of the disciples, and
advocate their visible disunity, we cannot understand you." March, 1827, vol. 4.
Buff the Reformer For more on Campbell, go to Google.  And for a copy of Leroy Garrett’s Essay about Campbell and progressive revelation, contact him at his e-mail address above.  Better still, ask him about his book on The Stone-Campbell Movement.   

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In the late 50s and early 60s, Leroy Garrett & Carl Ketcherside abandoned their sectarian stance, which both had pursued for years, in favor of freedom in Jesus. As the same time, they surrendered their exclusivist demeanor and began to recognize that God's coral is broader, wider, higher and deeper than the sect of which they once parroted. From that day onward, they proclaimed that wherever God has a child, they have a brother or a sister.

However, they had no foundation for their new anti-sect sectarian. Leroy Garrett's new patternism works only by rejecting everything but what he calls "gospel" including all of the epistles.  That is anti-Christian in teaching and just another brand of sectarian which promotes hate toward those who know why the epistles were written

Leroy Garrett
"This is to say that the gospel is not the whole of the New Testament scriptures,
for the gospel was a reality long before the scriptures were written.

Strictly speaking,
the teachings of the apostles are not facts, as the gospel is,
but interpretations, implications, and edification based on the gospel.
In this area, that of the didache (teaching) even the apostles differed in their ideas and emphases.
The churches for whom these documents were written were likewise different from each other.

That fellowship is strengthened and made joyful by doctrine, but it is the gospel and not doctrine that determines the fellowship...' (Leroy Garrett, "The Word Abused," Restoration Review, Vol. XVII, No. 3, pp. 42-46)", ibid, pp. 54-55.

The letters, he says, are just OPINIONS about the gospel like OUR opinions are about the "gospel."

From reading in 2 Peter 1 they missed the fact that Christ PREtaught the patternism for the REST day in the prophets.
2Pet. 1:15 Moreover I will endeavour that YE may be able after my decease
        to have these things always in remembrance.
2Pet. 1:16 For WE have not followed cunningly devised fables, [poets and song writers]
        when WE made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,
        but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

2Pet. 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory,
        when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory,
        This is my beloved Son [God's WORDS], in whom I am well pleased.

2Pet. 1:18 And this voice which came from heaven WE heard, when WE were with him in the holy mount.

2Pet. 1:19 WE have also a more sure word of prophecy;
        whereunto ye do well that ye take heed,
        as unto a light that shineth in a dark place,
        until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
SO, Peter who called Paul's writings Scripture was just lying? Leroy and Buff are ENCOURAGING you to ignore the epistles which the writers claim is the MEMORY of those who watched and enforced the prophecies made more perfect.

Isaiah 1 and Malachi make baptism an absolute command:
Your new moons and seasonal feasts the Isaiah text in the hands of the eunuch.

17. my soul hates, they are a burden to me, I am tired of bearing them. (15) And when you spread your hands I will hide my eyes

18. from you, also when you multiply prayer I will not listen, your hands are full of blood. [+and your fingers+] [Aramaic]

19. [+of iniquity+] (16) Wash and make yourselves clean and turn away the evil of your habitual practices from before my eyes, stop doing evil. (17) Learn

Isa 1:16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;

Rachac (h7364) raw-khats'; a prim. root; to lave (the whole or a part of a thing): - bathe (self), wash (self)

7. (3) And it shall be that the remnant in Zion and those remaining in Jerusalem shall be called holy; all the ones written

8. among the living in Jerusalem. ( 4) When the Lord has washed the excrement of the daughters of Zion and the blood of

Is.4:4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.

21. Please come and let us reason together says YHWH, if your sins are like scarlet they shall be white as snow

22. if they be as red as crimson they shall be as wool.
        (19) If you are obedient and you give heed
of the good of the Land [{you shall eat.}]

He that believeth AND is baptized shal be saved.

23. (20) But if you refuse and you rebel
        you will be devoured by the sword because the mouth of YHWH has said it.

He that believeth not (complieth not) shall be damned.

The REST day is defined in the prophets, baptism is defined, Jesus made these prophecies more perfect and WE do not have the right to make our own interpretation. These are the INSPIRED FACTS which we are commanded to teach.

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Larry Leaps in to save Buff from contradiction

Dear Brother Reformer, hopefully your teaching and debate on this thread can now resume relevant to the subject. I removed many posts, deleted some, and modified others.

May God bless you in your efforts to give out the word in Jesus' name.

Larry is therefore guilty by association.

Buff appreciates protection from the facts.

Buff the Reformer: Thank you, Larry.  The thread now looks much better. I welcome disagreements from those who read my posts, and I enjoy replying to them, but when a whole  bundle of responses surfaces that revolve around much of nothing, it is time to do a little deleting. Thank you again.

I have read them and Buff is wrong and so is Garrett.

I agreed with my posts being edited and deleted where Larry saw fit to do so.  I agree with you on what you are saying about Campbell.  I have often thaought that the movement would have had a better impact if Stone had stayed out front. 

Stone was never in FRONT of the Campbell's effort to pick up again John Calvin's effort to Restore the Church of Christ.
For where can I exert myself to better purpose or more honestly, where, too, in a matter at this time more necessary, than in attempting, according to my ability,

to aid the Church of Christ, whose claims it is unlawful in any instance to deny, and which is now in grievous distress, and in extreme danger?

But there is no occasion for a long preface concerning myself. Receive what I say as you would do if it were pronounced by the united voice

of all those who either have already taken care to restore the Church,
or are desirous that it
should be restored to true order.

In this situation are several Princes, of not the humblest class, and not a few distinguished communities. For all these I speak, though as an individual, yet so that it is more truly they who at once, and with one mouth, speak through me. To these add the countless multitude of pious men, who, scattered over the various regions of the Christian world, still unanimously concur with me in this pleading. In short, regard this as the common address of all who so earnestly deplore the present corruption of the Church, that they are unable to bear it longer, and are determined not to rest till they see some amendment. I am aware of the odious names with which we are branded; but, meanwhile, whatever be the name by which it is thought proper to designate us, hear our cause, and, after you have heard, judge what the place is which we are entitled to hold.

Godulike thanks Rev. Jared Trullinger for pointing out that: When the Disciples & Christians joined in 1832, they didn’t agree on theology.  Stone was nearly unitarian, and Campbell was nearly trinitarian (excepting only that each rejected the labels). Therefore, the Disciples were begun as a movement in which liberal theology and diversity were to be expected.   Unity was the ideal, regardless of theological differences. This difficulty in discerning Disciples' theology is still present today and has been a factor in splits.

Leroy Garrett and his followers are guilty of claiming that the Churches of  Christ are a sectarian division of the Disciples / Christian Churches.  By putting the emphasis on Stone, Garrett and his disciples promote false teachings.  For instance, here is a quick review of the effort to make Churches of Christ into Stoneites.

The Stone Campbell MovementThis is in fact a lie on the face of it. He, like Buff, makes a hobby about being ANTI, ANTI-instrumental Churches of Christ. It has sowed more intentional discord than any other "movement."

The Stone and Campbell movement was never united in any sense: Campbell puffed that Stone thought that the Campbell preachers had "gone over to them" because of a handshake among a few preachers.  Campbell was not happy with Stone in any doctrinal sense: Stone denied the Atonement, did not believe in baptism at the time, they ordained preachers, had the mourner's bench, initially believed that the music-induced charismatic madness was the Holy Spirit, adopted the Shouting Methodists and a whole host of differences.

Burnett, a leading Disciple denied that what became the Church of Christ and the Disciples/Christian churches had much in common.

See H. Leo Boles on a thrust of the Christian Churches to unite (confiscate) Churches of Christ in 1939
Buff says: P. S.  Many of my posts were either deleted or edited, too. I approved of Larry's decision in advance of his action. He did the right thing.

Meaning to silence opposition!


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