Bobby Valentine 1 Timothy 2 Silencing Women in Worship
First Timothy 2.8-15 & the Silencing of Women in Worship
Bobby Valentine K.C.Moser The Holy Spirit unleashed. John Defines trinitarians as Antichrists.
Bobby Valentine: “A learned Christian woman may expound the scriptures and urge
obedience to them, to one hundred men and women at one time, as well as
to one hundred, one at a time, … and no more violate a scriptural
command in one instance than the other.” (Silena Holman in the Gospel Advocate, 1888)
Silena Holman spoke at a time when the Disciples-Christians supported by the Christian Standard had vowed to Take Tennessee for the Organ and Society Party within ten years.
Others were mounting an attack against owners of property who would not
give it up so that they could as they now say "infiltrate and divert
your property and lambs into a Theater for Holy Entertainment." History
notes that pagan "worship centers" needed women to strip the men of
their food money before they could get out of Corinth or Ephesus.
BEFORE THE STANDARD WENT HOSTILE.
BENJAMIN FRANKLIN 1877
"Well, the churches
generally are going into it, and it is 'a foregone conclusion that
they will have and use the organ,' and it is useless to stand against
No "the churches
generally" are not gone into it, nor are they
going that way.
We do not know the
number of churches in the United
but doubt not that six thousand would be a low enough
many of them
use the organ in worship? We do not know this with certainty, but
probably not more than from 
hundred and fifty to
two hundred, and
certainly not five hundred. 
organ party is yet small,
and would amount to but little, had it not found way into
places of note
and prominence. There are still whole
States that have not an organ
in the Church.
think there is
not one in use in Canada,
not one in Virginia, Tennessee, nor Texas,
that we have heard of; scarcely any in Kentucky, West
Arkansas, Missouri, Kansas,
Nebraska, and many other States.
The organ is
still the exception, not the rule; and the party is small.
body are true to the great principles of reformation--to the divine
purpose of returning to and maintaining, the
original practice in all
TORO, TORO, TORO. Mike Cope now delared the Samuri of Churches of Christ
note that like
David Lipscomb, E. G. Sewell worked for the Gospel Advocate to earn a living
preached for the Woodland Street Church in
Nashville. He received little for his preaching. A new building was
constructed in 1880 and Sewell was asked to preach there longer and
devote more time.
As well funded by the Standard
the North, where the Society
system was deeply imbedded in the
churches, people moved into Nashville and many filled the Woodland
Street church. By the end of 1882, a woman
from Kentucky asked Sewell about forming an auxiliary society to the Christian Woman's Board
of Missions. Sewel objected, and gave his reasons.
always, when a group in
a congregation wants something, and the preacher stands in their way,
there is only one thing to do: dismiss
the preacher. Sewell was ousted and at the beginning of 1883, W. J.
Loos, son of
C. L. Loos, president of the Foreign Society, was hired. In the fall
of that year young Loos
attended the annual convention at Cincinatti, telling them with some
embarassment that he was
ashamed to admit he was
from Tennessee for the churches of his state were doing
Sewell refuted the false charges about Tennessee churches. Loos was check-mated and was replaced
later by R. M.
Giddens who "fanned the
flames of Societyism."
women were soon busily at
work to form an auxiliary
society. Sewell's pleas to Giddens went unheeded. During the
wrote letters to the churches of the state
asking funds be sent to
could hire a
Evangelist. Before long, plans
secure the services of A.
had agreed to publish
information in the Advocate after being assured that evangelism was
the goal. However, Giddens failed to get the work under the Woodland
Street elders. J. C. McQuiddy who had helped raise the money and
Sewell who was an
consulted about Myhr.
made his goals clear about promoting
and Instrumental music
even though it would divide the
Lipscome believed, was to
"ostracize, boycott, and
starve every preacher that does not APPROVE the
Silena and her "daughters" have the same rights
bestowed by Paul in Galatians 3:28 as men. Theologians in
delusions think that Paul said BOTH but Paul said NEITHER male nor
female. We have one father meaning TEACHER. The elders are commanded to
teach that which has been taught: the Word, Logos or regulative
Silena and her daughters have the same right to EXPOUND
Scriptures and MEN: NONE. A Church of Christ by absolute MARK will
consist of STUDENTS: Disciples do not go to worship OBSERVATIONS to
which Jesus said the kingdom does not come. The MARK of those who
do not speak that which is written without private interpretation or
FURTHER EXPOUNDING is of a false teacher: cunning craftsmen or sophists
meaning speakers, singers and instrument players are, says Paul
denouncing DIVERSITY in Ephesians 4 are LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE.
No godly woman would expose her body to judging would want to ASSIST the
Spirit OF Christ in the Prophets and Apostles--the inclusive and
exclusive resource for READING or SPEAKING which is opposite to ODE or
any musical content.
15:21 For Moses of old time
in the synagogues every sabbath day.
The Latin -Sermo B. A
language, the speech of a nation. Sermonizing used a
conversational style and not loquacious. Dialog hê, discourse,
conversation, 6.—Of prose as opposed to poetry: “comoedia ... nisi quod pede certo Differt sermoni sermo merus,” Hor. S. 1, 4, 48:
1:20 Knowing this first,
that no prophecy of the scripture is of any
(g1956) ep-ee-loo'-o; from 1909 and 3089; to solve
further, i.e. (fig.) to explain,
release from, e. phobôn [fear] didou A.Th.134
(lyr.): abs., exemption
[purgatory?]. The word dissertio
also carries the idea of trying to REMOVE fear by explaining away any
worry about keeping laws.
. solution, “sophismatōn” S.E.P.2.246; explanation, 2 Ep.Pet.1.20,
3089 luō loo'-o A primary verb; to “loosen”
(literally or figuratively):—break (up), destroy, dissolve, (un-)
loose, melt, put off.
2. solution, sophismatôn
Ep.Pet.1.20, 2 Pet 3
skill, method, stage-trick, claptrap, rhetorikos 2.
of persons, skilled in speaking, fit to be an orator Pi.O.13.17 2. in
less good sense, sly trick, artifice, dikên dounai s. kakôn E.Ba.489 ,
cf. Hec.258; eph' hêmas tauta paronta s. Th.6.77, cf. D.35.2; stage-trick, claptrap
Ode 0.13 
the Seasons rich in flowers have cast ancient inventiveness. But the
fame for every work is due to its inventor. Whence did the graces of
Dionysus first come to light, with the ox-driving dithyramb?  Who
invented the bridle for the harness of horses, or placed the double
king of birds on top of the temples of gods? And in Corinth the sweet-breathing
Muse blossoms, and also Ares, with the deadly spears of young
interpreter, esp. of oracles,
dreams, or omens,
Hdt.1.78; at Athens, of sacred rites or customs, modes of burial,
expiation, etc., spiritual
director, of Apollo,
Pl.R.427c. b. at
Rome, of the pontifices
Sorry Selina who self-congratualtes herself as a learned Christian woman
The pagan EXEGETE is identical
to: Suristikê (sc.
technê), hê, the art of piping:
used with hythmice, histrionia
belonging to magic, magic, magical. superstitiones, vanitates, that
were invoked by incantations: linguae= skilled
in incantations, cantus, magicae
resonant ubi Memnone
chordae, mysterious, id. 15,
5 .Bakchebakchon aisai
sing the song (to Bacchus)
beginning with Bakche Bakche!
Aulôid-ia , hê, song
to the flute
Maybe Bobby Valentine can make the Selena - Christian Standard attempt
to TAKE Tennessee. It is obviously that churches of Christ were never
TAKEN by the Christians as Barton W. Stone boasted that the 'Reformers
have come over to us."
Heb. 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Christ in Isaiah 8 says that if you do not SPEAK the Scriptures THERE IS
NO LIGHT IN YOU. There are SPEAKING placing and ministering
1Pet. 4:11 If any man SPEAK, let him speak as the oracles of God;
NONE OF BOBBY VALENTINE'S "PATTERNS" FOR WOMEN PREACHERS
were those who PREACHED the WORD by READING the WORD in the synagogue
where the ekklesia meets were NEITHER are preachers but BOTH can obey
the command to "use one MIND and on MOUTH to speak that which is WRITTEN
for our LEARNING."
if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:
that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ,
to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
You will note that Bobbly Valentine does everything but SPEAK where Paul SPEAKS in 1 Timothy 2.
Bobby Valentine tries to set up Red Herring from the culture but the
object is to understand the WHAT of Paul's direct command before we try
to find legalistic end runs to define a WORSHIP RITUAL. Too bad, too sad
but from Christ in the willderness onward defined a WORD ONLY ASSEMBLY
by non-mercinary sub elders over groups as small as then families. I
find no evidence that he reads the whole letter in context by defining
words used and understood school kids. Men were to turn up holy
palms (the Jewis-Muslim) pledge to the TEXT without WRATH. Wrath means
anger certainly: when God pours out His wrath he sends strong delusions
resulting in wrath as an ORGY: preaching, singing, playing, collecting
claiming God's authority. Wrath means that he makes BUFFOONS or jesters
so that they debate with three empty chairs and get applauded.
Bobby Valentine: Approaching the Subject – What are We afraid of?
I am afraid of THEOLOGIANS a word which defines ONLY those who interpreted the will of Abbadon or Apollyon.
I am afraid of PREACHERS who speak on their own to ESCAPE the definition of a Kerusso
as a Herald SENT out with a message from the King to the Lost Spirits
scatted IN the Word but not OF the World. They cannottamper with the
Word and they
I am afraid of Musical Worship Ministers because their persona makes me and up to 3/3 of a membership flee Babylon leaving their "investment behind." As Beasts or Therion meaning "a new style of music and Satyric drama" because they bring on PLAGUES.
I am afraid of BLOGGERS given the end-time chance to fulfill prophecy of Revelation 17-18.
I am afraid of SECTARIANS
who love to sow discord by claiming that Churches of Christ inventing
the command of Paul in the Hebrews to DIVORCE themselves from neo-paganism of boy and girl performance worshipers claiming to lead you into the presence of God.
And Bobby Valentine using Obscurantism
using the language of magic or sorcery, they claim that
Christ who have understood the NO MUSIC concept from the wilderness
onward; and lie about just your tradition claim YOU ARE JUST SPOOKED AND
FEARFUL about using music and USING musicians is fear induced by your
The purpose driving
religious music was to "make the lambs dumb before the slaughter." The
clergy would musically mock Jesus as the lambs were made dumb before the
Levite Soothsayers named PARASITES and in fulfilment. All forms of
music point to sorcery or witchcraft from the time the serpent (musical
enchanter) made musical sounds to
confuse after the invention of brass or BELL METAL. Christ calls
Lucifer the "singing and harp-playing prostitute in the garden of Eden."
As Obscurantism Valentine quotes Roy Deaver,
who like Valentine etal seems unable to read the story line of 1
Timothy 2. He also OBSCURES by quoting LaGard Smithy who simply
joins at the lips the effeminate worship rituals demanding effeminate or
feminist leadership. If there is no exception to connecting religious
music performers to men who are "emotionally and sexually abnormal" then
Bobby Valentine should cough up some Babylonian tablets. Scripture,
church history or mocking the modern "Effeminate worship leader" which
attributes any MORAL good derived from making music (NOISE says God)
when He calls you out of your rest to READ and REHEARSE the Word of God.
Bobby Valentine: LaGard Smith, that feminism is the
cultural engine pushing the church into female ordination, deaconesses,
and more participation in worship. Smith’s charges are even wider than
Deaver’s, laying the charge of paganism and New Ageism at the feet of
those who believe that Scripture authorizes a broader view of women’s
role than previously held in the late 20th & early 21st century
Churches of Christ .
Why mock that when
everyone knows that PATRIARCHAL "gods" were never "worshipped" by music
or musicians. Paul warns against the dogs and consision and wishes
they would let the knife slip and cut off their total reproductive
power. The worshipers of the Mother Goddesses were
the "scholars" are emasculated and do not dare cross the Mother
THEOLOGIAN boasting about making so many female MINISTERS that churches
will be forced to HIRE them as hierlings.
The rise of FEMINIST
with connections in high places has led to things like Spiritual
Formation, Renovare or the Lectio-Divina which is defined as PAGANISM'S
Sophia (Solomon's Wisdom) as the Jewish repudiation of the LOGOS (Dabar)
which is defined as God's Word (His Son) as the Spirit OF Christ in the
Prophets and in Jesus of Nazareth. The One God the Father breathed
(Spirit is breath) and Jesus the Son SPOKE the Word or LOGOS without
METRON which is widely used as METER. We are lucky that God provided no
LOGOS which is metrical so we have to violate direct commands, examples
and reverence-demanded-inferences to READ the Word or PREACH the
Word by READING the Word in the synagogue.
The Ekklesia consists of all who have been "washed with water into the WORD or into the school of Christ.
"REST" is the Greek PAUO identical to the Hebrew SABBATH meaning rest and never day of worship.
The citizens of the Ekklesia are sheltered under the UMBRELLUM safe from
the winds and stroms of the laded burdens and burden laders..
By DIRECT COMMAND with no Biblical or historical exception, the
free citizens assemble themselves ONCE EACH WEEK and when assembled Paul
calls them a SYNAGOGUE.
From the wilderness onward Christ ordained the Qahal, synagogue or Church of Christ the Rock:
EXCLUSIVE of vocal or instrumental rejoicing or rhetoric. The LAW OF
SILENCE was only necessary for the little jimmy and sally jumpups
because godly Disciples know to sit down and shut up: both men and women in 1 Timothy 2.
The synagogue was a
place of contact for the poor or where Bible Scholars as opposed to
THEOLOGIANS or the preachers of Abaddon, Appolyn could be paid to hold
Bobby Valentine:. These brothers are
adamant – and so am I – about the priority of Scripture and listening to
it . But I believe they are as glued to a cultural worldview as
anyone else. I believe their interpretation of Scripture is “plainly”
culturally driven. They both fear something. That something is, in their opinion, manifested in the women’s movement. It must be opposed.
Bobby Valentine runs with the Rich and Famous and sounds scholarly but
in this piece he proves that he doesn't care enough to grasp why Paul
wants BOTH men and women to be SILENT and SEDENTARY while some senior
male PREACHES the Word (only) by READING the Word.
About the Archaeology Bobby Valentines believes that Paul was NOT inspired as claimed and was just REACTING
to the fact that ALL "worship services" were dominated by women.
Prostitution was part of their job and they dominated because the goal
was to "fleece the males of their children's food money before they
could escape the grasp of the Female Worship leaders. He misses the
point that the Synagogue -- the only once a week assembly -- was never
called a Worship Center but a School of the Word. Many Jews still use
words like Qahal (a reading only assembly) or SHUL.
Bobby Valentine is thinking about the WORSHIP SERVICES but the
synagogue was to quarantine people to their isolated areas. The only
WORKS or ENERGY effort was to Rest, Read and Rehears the Word. God NEVER
calls His people out of their rest other than to Read, Learn and
Mutually confess "that which is written for our learning. After
silencing the Self Pleasure: Areskos or Placeo meaning rhetoric,
singing, playing instruments or acting they could hold the ONE PIECE
In Galatians 3:28 scholars just flat missed that Paul used the word NEITHER and not BOTH.
Rom. 15:2 Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification.
Edification is defined as Education of the Ekklesia
Rom. 15:3 For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written,
Areskô I. of
pers. only, make good, make amends,
spondas theois aresasthai make full drink-offerings to
the gods, please,
satisfy, be Lord and Master.
IV. areskei is used
impers. to express the opinion
resolution of a public body, also of prevailing opinions; ta
areskonta the dogmas of
Placeo I. part.
fut. pass.: dos placenda, Plaut. Trin. 5,
2, 35 ; v. I. A. fin.) [cf. placo], to please, to be pleasing or
agreeable, to be welcome, acceptable, to satisfy (class.).
pieces presented, to please, find
satisfaction: primo actu placeo,
Ter. Hec. prol. alt. 31: cui scenico
The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.
The clergy musical mocked and stripped Jesus as prophesied and fulfilled: jesting, singing, playing instruments and tempting.
Reproaches meant to expose one's nakedness: the authority of 1 Timothy 2
is Authentia which has the same meaning of bringing on reproaches
meaning both MURDEROUS and EROTIC.
THE ONLY NON-METRIC RESOURCES JESUS LEFT AFTER SILENCING THE SOPHISTS:
Rom. 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning,
that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
Rom. 15:5 Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded
one toward another according to Christ Jesus:
Rom. 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God [the ONE Theos]
even the Father of our Lord [Kurios not a god people] Jesus Christ.
Rom. 15:7 Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us to the glory of God.
Bobby Valentine and the small band by imposed DELUSION read Paul's word NEITHER to mean BOTH.
We both have ONE FATHER meaning our only
INSTRUCTOR: Elders are the Christ-gifted APT pastor-teachers. They are
MARKED by Job One by casting out the cunning craftsmen or SOPHISTS:
speakers for hire, singers, instrument players SO THAT the Truth can be
taught one to another because THEY ARE LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE.
EARLY HINT BOBBY VALENTINE ETAL JUST FLAT MISSES
1Tim. 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved [always speaks of being SAFE from ritualists]
1Tim. 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to [public] reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.
and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
2Tim. 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses,
and lead captive silly women laden with sins,
led away with divers lusts,
The BEASTS or Therion is defined as A New Style of Music or Satyric Drama. The Muses are the "Locusts" defined as dirty adulteresses ready to expose themselves as occupation.
Plat. Laws 660b
2Tim. 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
LEGALISM is is applied only to rhetoricians, singers or instrument
players who must have talent (God cannot use in school of the Word),
spend a life of practicing, rehearsing, performing and being judged by
the paying audience."
but I do know that novelties are always being introduced in dancing
and all other forms of music, which changes due NOT to the laws, but to
disorderly tastes and these are so far from being constantly uniform and
stable—like the Egyptian ones you describe—that they are never for a
[660c] probably I stated my own desires with regard to music in such a way
that you imagined me to be stating present facts. To denounce things
that are beyond remedy and far gone in error is a task that is by no
means pleasant; but at times it is unavoidable.
Only those who call grasp the message: failing persuasion, he will compel him—to portray by his rhythms the gestures, and by his harmonies the tunes,
2Tim. 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses,
so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
2Tim. 3:9 But they shall proceed no further:
for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
Jesus said that God HIDES from the wise or SOPHISTS: preacher
opinions, singers, instrument players. THEY would be the ones under the
domination of the MOTHER FEMINISTS in authority at places like ACU
intimidate the males with no role and no dole to entice women into their
failing persuasion, he will compel him—to portray by his rhythms the gestures, and by his harmonies the tunes,
Bobby Valentine: It is clear from the content of
1.3-7 that Paul is seriously concerned with Timothy’s handling of the
false teachers and their gangrenous teaching. However the unhealthy
teachers are finding a receptive field among some ignorant (of the basic
truths of the faith??) women who go from house church to house church
spreading misinformation (5.13) .
WATCH THE VIPER BITE!
1Tim. 1:3 As I besought thee to abide still
at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some
that they teach no other doctrine,
1Tim. 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying [TEACHING] which is in faith: [THE WORD LOGOS] so do.
G3453 mueo moo-eh'-o From
the base of G3466 ;
to initiate, that is, (by implication) to
muthos , ho, 2. fiction (OPPOSITE. logos, historic truth), Pi.O.1.29 (pl.), N.7.23 (pl.), Pl.Phd.61b, Prt.320c, 324d, etc.
3. generally, fiction, “m. idioi” Phld.Po.5.5; legend, myth, Hdt.2.45, Pl.R.330d, Lg. 636c, etc.; “ho peri theōn m.” Epicur.Ep.3p.65U.; “tous m. tous epikhōrious gegraphen” SIG382.7 (Delos, iii B.C.).
fābŭla , ae, f. fari, I.a narration, narrative, account, story; the subject of common talk quae versatur in tragoediis atque carminibus non a veritate modo
B. Of particular kinds of poetry. 1.
Most freq., a dramatic poem
(syn.: “ludus, cantus, actio, etc.): in full, fabula scaenica,”Amm. 28, 1, 4
; “or, theatralis,
” id. 14, 6, 20
: “fabula ad actum scenarum composita,
” Quint. 5, 10, 9
; cf. id. 11, 3, 73 sq.
dĕus , 2.
, Verg. A. 9, 337
; 1, 636
In poets sometimes a goddess;
cf. Gr. theos
: “ducente deo (sc. Venere),
” Verg. A. 2, 632
: “audentes deus ipse juvat (sc. Fortuna),
” Ov. M. 10, 586
; Macr. Sat. 3, 8
; cf. of Aurora
, Cat. ap. Cic. N. D. 1, 28 fin.
Vĕnus , ĕris (I.gen. sing. VENERVS, Inscr. Orell. 1364), f. v. veneror, the goddess of Love, the goddess Venus [Zoe, Lucifer]
“fabula nullius veneris sine pondere et arte,” Hor. A. P. 320: “sermo ipse Romanus non recipere videatur illam solis concessam Atticis venerem,
II. Derivv.: Vĕnĕrĕus or Vĕnĕrĭus , a, um, adj., of or belonging to Venus: “sacerdos,” Plaut. Rud. 2, 2, 23:
Bobby Valentine: However the unhealthy
teachers are finding a receptive field among some ignorant (of the basic
truths of the faith??) women who go from house church to house church
spreading misinformation (5.13) .
1Ti 5:5 Now she that is a widow indeed, and
trusteth in God, and continueth in supplications and
prayers night and day.
1Ti 5:6 But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she
nam quae in deliciis est vivens mortua est
"Scholars" wander from church to church and workshop to
workshop and are LIVING IN PLEASURE by teaching things they out not
to. Living in pleasure was bad for women but was without
redemption for the males who fell into rhetoric, singing, playing
instruments, acting or dancing.
*A. ive softly
or in excessive comfort
(Rome), LXX Si.21.15
, 1 Ep.Ti.5.6
; ta spatalōnta tōn paidiōn spoilt children,
; delight in, .Ne.9.25.
called the kings-priests parasites]
live softly, luxuriously,
fare sumptuously, of a child, leukos .
Ep.Jac.5.5, Gal.6.416, etc.; paison, truphêson, zêson
paizô [pais] 4. to play (on an
instrument), to sport, play, jest, joke,
to make sport of one, mock
“to truphōn” effeminacy,III. give
airs, be dainty, fastidious, connected to the Polus,
Spoiled pets: en tais ekklêsiais t. kai kolakeuesthai, of
delicio; that which allures, flatters the senses delicias facere, to play tricks, to joke, to make sport of
one, to sport
as lovers, deliciae (pretensions
II of living beings: delight, darling, sweetheart, beloved
: a voluptuary, minion
scurra , ae, m. I. Orig., an elegant, town-bred man; a fine gentleman, gallant, dandy: 1. A city buffoon, droll, jester (usually in the suite of wealthy persons, and accordingly a kind of parasite; “syn.: sannio, parasitus): urbani assidui cives, quos scurras vocant,” off the clown in a pantomime, venustissimus inter rhetores scurra,”
” Hor. C. 4, 9, 11
; : “carmina,
” id. Ep. 1, 19, 2
” Ov. Tr. 1, 7, 25
: “das nostro nomen victurum amori,
nōmen canitur, similitudine nomen invenit,
A. To live
on any thing or in any manner, i. e. to support life; to sustain
or maintain one's self:
Vinco I.to conquer
, get the better of
, be victorious
, etc. (syn.: supero, debello).
In gen., to prevail
, be superior; to convince
, etc.: “argumentis vincit,
” dying accents, the accents of a dying man
, desperately in love, dying for love
, of the loss of moral or spiritual vitality
, to die, to lose virtue and divine guidance
: lacking faith
and rattling accompanied heathen cults, and the frenzying shawms of a dozen ecstatic cries intoxicated
the masses. Amid this euphoric farewell feast of a dying
voices of nonconformists were emerging from places of Jewish and
early Christian worship ..." (Encyclopaedia Judaica, 1971 ed., s.v.
"Awed by the mysteries of
spirit no less than by
those of nature, primitive man was likely to attribute to divine
any abnormal emotional state, whether above or below the usual level.
Medicine men customarily went into states of trance in which they were believed to be in communication with the
and many tribes
supposed lunatics and sexual deviants to be divinely possessed.
1Ti 5:7 And these things give in charge, that they may be
WHY WOULD A PERSON LIVING OFF THE FREE WATER OF THE WORD BE GUILTY OF THE SAME THING AS THE CONDEMNED WOMEN.
1Tim. 5:13 And withal they learn to be idle,
wandering about from house to house;
and not only idle, but tattlers [ “hē ph. philosophia” also and busybodies,
speaking things which they ought not.
They were not just gossips but female preachers earning a living by the normal pagan religions.
argos not working the ground, Hdt.5.6 free from it, tōn oikothen from domestic toils, have no trade, “diatribē a.” in which nothing is done, fruitless
b. argos logos, name of a sophism,
Hdt. 5.6 The idler is most honored, the tiller of the soil most scorned; he is held in highest honor who lives by war and robbery.
perierkhomai go about like a beggar [parasite], Wandering
overreach, cheat, “sophiē p. tina”
sophia A.cleverness or skill in handicraft and art, Hephaestus and Athena, Pl.Prt.32 1d; of Daedalus and Palamedes, in music and singing, tekhnē kai s. h.Merc.483, cf. 511; in poetry, in divination, Plu.Them.2; also, cunning, shrewdness, craft, Hdt.1.68, etc.; to loidorēs ai theous ekhthra s. Pi.O. 9.38.
la^l-eō , A.
talk, chat, prattle
ONLY THE ELDERS AS PASTOR TEACHERS HAVE THE TEACHING ROLE:
Titus 1:7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
Titus 1:11 Whose mouths must be stopped,
who subvert whole houses,
teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake.
1Pet. 5:2 Feed the flock of God which is among you,
taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly;
not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
of musical sounds, “aulō laleō
; of trees, v.supr.1.2
; “di'aulou ē salpiggos l.
” Arist. Aud.801a29
; of Echo, D.C.74.14
: also c.acc. cogn., magadin lalein sound
(A), imper. 3pl. it is (was, etc.) necessary (as binding):—
alone, bind, keep in bonds, pōs an egō se deoimi;
says Hephaistos [Tubal-Cain]
, pointing to the nets in which he had caught Ares 3.
metaph., bind, enchain,
“glōssa de hoi dedetai
” later, bind by spells,
c. gen., hinder from
a thing, “edēse keleuthou
Pind. P. 3 
or with their bodies wasting away from summer's fire or winter's cold,
he released and delivered all of them from their different pains,
tending some of them with gentle incantations, others with soothing
potions, or by wrapping remedies all around their limbs, and others he
set right with surgery.
But even skill is enthralled by the love of gain.
Gold shining in his hand turned even that man, for a handsome price,
to bring back from death a man who was already caught
sophia Daedalus and Palamedes, X.Mem.4.2.33, cf. 1.4.2; in music and singing, tekhnē kai s. h.Merc.483, cf. 511; in poetry, in divination,
“sophos” 1.3) Ba.395 (lyr.), etc.; freq. in Arist., speculative wisdom,
Soph. OT 502 Zeus and Apollo indeed are keen of thought and know the affairs of the earth.
But there is no sure test of whether a mortal seer attains more knowledge than I do, though man may surpass man in wisdom.
Well, there you have it Bobby
Valentine. If you had a hundred males on a desert island Scripture
and recorded history proves that they would NEVER pick out an appealing
MALE to pontificate each week and pay him the rest of the week which
violates the Direct Command for a ONCE A WEEK when the workers and
vocational elder have time to conduct School of theWord.
From Eve (Evah or Abomination) who was Wholly Seduced says Paul like a
young bride with the Devil going first. Cain (a musical note or mark)
was OF that wicked one. Eve gets a bad rap because Moses defined
the Babylonianism to which God sentenced the Jews BECAUSE of musical
idolatry at mount Sinal led by the women into sexual and homosexual
"worship services." See Romans 1 etal.
Hyppolytus Book V Satan Worship The Naasseni: Mystery of the "Great Mother; " See The
Hypostasis of the Archons
They rashly assume in this manner, that whatsoever things
have been said and done by all men, (may be made to harmonize) with their own particular mental view, alleging that ALL
spiritual. Whence likewise they assert, that those exhibiting themselves in theatres,not even these say
or do anything without premeditation.
Therefore, he says, when, on
the people assembling in the theatres, any one enters
clad in a remarkable robe, carrying a harp and playing a
tune (upon it,
accompanying it) with a song of the great mysteries, he speaks as follows,
not knowing what
"Whether (thou art) the race of
Saturn (Satans) or happy Jupiter, or mighty Rhea (ZOE, Eve),
Hail, Attis, gloomy mutilation of Rhea. Assyrians style thee thrice-longed-for
Adonis, and the whole of
Egypt (calls thee) Osiris,
celestial horn of
the moon; [The bull,
Apis, at Sinai] Greeks denominate (thee)
Wisdom; Samothracians, venerable
Adam; Haemonians, Corybas; and them
Phrygians (name thee) at one time Papa,
at another time Corpse,
or God, or Fruitless, or Aipolos, or green Ear of Corn that has been
reaped, or whom the very fertile Amygdalus produced-a man, a musician."
This, he says, is
Attis, whom while they
celebrate in a hymn, they utter these words:
"I will hymn
Attis, son of Rhea,
not with the buzzing
sounds of trumpets, or of Idaean pipers,
which accord with (the voices of) the Curetes; but I will mingle
(my song) with Apollo's music
of harps, evoe,
evan, ' inasmuch as thou art Pan, as thou art Bacchus, as thou art shepherd of brilliant stars."
On account of these and such
like reasons, these
attend the mysteries
called those of the "Great Mother,"supposing especially that they
behold by means of the ceremonies performed there the entire mystery. [Moved into the presence of the gods
For these have
more than the
ceremonies that are performed there, except that they are not emasculated:they merely complete the work of the emasculated.
For with the utmost severity
and vigilance they enjoin
(on their votaries) to abstain, as if they were emasculated, from
intercourse with a woman. The rest, however, of the proceeding
(observed in these mysteries), as we have declared at some length,
(they follow) just as (if they were) emasculated persons.
And they do not
worship any other object but Naas,
(from thence) being styled Naasseni.
But Naas is the serpent
from whom, i.e., from the word Naas,
(the Naassene) says, are all that under heaven are denominated
And (he states) that to him
alone-that is, Naas-is
shrine and every
rite, and every
mystery; and, in general, that a religious
ceremony could not be discovered under heaven, in which a temple
(Naos) has no existence; and in the temple
itself is Naas,
from whom it has received its denomination of temple (Naos)
is mentioned only twice in the New Testament and because Jesus spoke in parables
from the WISE (sophists=rhetoricians, singers, musicians, actors). Moses was writing an INVERTED
version of Babylon
the nation fell from grace BECAUSE of instrumental idolatry at Mount
Sinai. Therefore, those who mock Paul do not understand that Paul
knew all about Eve and scholars know nothing. While not necessarily
true, Paul understood that women especially looked to EVE
, Mary) as
serpents, however, of the magicians-(that
is,) the gods of destruction-withstood the power of Moses in Egypt,
but the rod of Moses reduced them all to subjection and slew them. This universal
serpent is, he says, the wise discourse of Eve.
This, he says, is the
mystery of Edem,
this the river of Edem;
that was set upon Cain,
that any one who findeth him might not kill
him. This, he says, is
Cain, [Gen. iv. 15] whose sacrifice [Gen. iv. 5. ] the god of this
world did not
Theophilus to Autolycus
This Eve, on account of her
having been in the beginning deceived by the serpent, and become the
author of sin, the wicked demon, who also is called Satan, who then
spoke to her through the serpent, and who works even to this day in
those men that are possessed by him, invokes as Eve.58
And he is called "demon" and "dragon," on account of his revolting
God. For at first he was an angel. And concerning his
history there is a great deal to be said; wherefore I at present omit
the relation of it, for I have also given an account of him in another
But also, concerning music, some
have fabled that Apollo [Abaddon, Apollyon] was the inventor, and others say that Orpheus
discovered the art of music from the sweet voices of the birds. Their
story is shown to be empty and vain, for these inventors lived many
years after the flood. And what relates to Noah, who is called by some
Deucalion, has been explained by us in the book before mentioned, and
which, if you wish it, you are at liberty to read.
58 Referring to the
bacchanalian orgies [wrath] in which " Eva " was
shouted, and which the Fathers professed to believe was an
unintentional invocation of Eve, the authoress of all sin.
The word "abomination" is also key to understanding the context. In
Hebrew, the word "to 'evah,"
(abomination) is almost invariably linked to idolatry. In the passages from which both verses are taken,
God tells Moses to tell the people not to follow the idolatrous
practices of the people around them, people who sacrificed their
children to Molech, or who masturbated into the fire to offer their semen to
Molech, for example.
Chapter 20 starts off with the same warning.
"To 'evah" also means "something which is ritually unclean."
Bobby Valentine thinks
that the Jacob-cursed and God-abandoned Levites who were sorcerers with
instruments as an old Egyptian infant burning sect just before 2
Chronicles 29 and just after the chapter. The authentia women were unsafe in child bearing because she hatched children to feed Moloch the god of the Jews and women would expose herself for a few shekals which Isaiah 33-1 Corinthians says there will be no shekal takers or PULPITS in the kingdom of Christ.
The MUSES or LOCUSTS
with Apollyon being the Musical Worship Leader along with the craftsmen
(parasites) and instrument players will be punished in the same way the
Jews worshipped fire, stars and serpents. As in the Prophetic type in
Isaiah 30 in Revelation they WILL BE CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.