Hulda, Huldah - Prophetess - Librarian?
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There are TWO THREADS running from Genesis to Revelation. The true writing prophets condemned the King-Clergy Elite as robbers and parasites. They repudiate the modern 'proof texts' as the message of the Spirit of Christ. A prophet or prophetess otherwise is a wife of a prophet or a soothsayer. The mother of harlots (Rev 17) uses "lusted after fruits" as rhetoricians, singers and instrment players whom John called SORCERERS who had deceived the whole world (Rev 18). No surprise since Lucifer (Zoe) was the singing and harp playing prostitute in the garden of Eden.
Because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai God had turned the "Elite" Levites which has a darker history in Dionysus worship in Egypt, to bear the burden of sacrifices. These sacrifices were imposed. Later, when the elders fired God and demanded a king like the nations God knew that they wanted to worship like the nations. He gave them kings in His anger and took them away in His anger. Through Samuel He warned that the kings would enslave them and take their property and children. Stephen says that:
God promised David a tent or tabernacle (at a pagan high place)While they used the term "Lord" the fact that God had abandoned them to Sabazianism or worship of the astrial deities, David heard his own version through Gad who was a stargazer. The prophets in and around the Temple were charismatic opportunists looking for food. Huldah's value was that she may have been the only one with access to the priestly garments and and the scrolls with which most kings knew nothing. It is very possible that she was:
But, Solomon built God a house
But, God does not dwell in houses built by human hands or by the works of human hands.
In no case is she a patternism for being a Christian Pastor-Teacher.Commentary on Vergil, Aeneid. book 6, line 645. [645] Orpheus was one of the mythical fathers of song, and his name was associated with revelations about the lower world, supposed to be preserved by secret societies (Dict. M. Orpheus), so that he is naturally made the harper who plays while the blessed spirits dance and sing. He is called `sacerdos,' as in Hor. A. P. 391 he is called sacer interpresque deorum. The long robe was characteristic of musicians, as Cerda shows, comp. Prop. 3. 23. 16, Pythius in longa carmina veste sonat (of the statue of Apollo in the Palatine temple), and also Hor. A. P. 215, Ov. F. 6. 654, 688, where the long robes of the `tibicines' are mentioned and accounted for. `Cum veste' above v. 359. Elsewhere we have `in veste,' as 12. 169, puraque in veste sacerdos
- Thrêsk-eia , Ion. thrêsk-eiê , hê, ( [thrêskeuô] ) religious worship, cult, ritual, hê peri ta hira th. Hdt.2.18, IG12(5).141.5 (Paros, iii B.C.), J.AJ17.9.3, etc.; tou Apollônos SIG801 D (Delph., i A.D.); hê peri tinos th. ib. 867.48 (Ephesus, ii A.D.): pl., rites, Hdt.2.37, D.H.2.63, PGnom. 185 (ii A.D.), Wilcken Chr.72 (iii A.D.).
2. religion, service of God, LXX Wi.14.18, Act.Ap.26.5, Ep.Jac.1.26; th. tou theou mia esti, mê einai kakon Corp.Herm.12 fin.; hekatera th., i.e. Christianity and Paganism, Them.Or.5.69c; th. tôn angelôn worshipping of angels, Ep.Col.2.18.
In the next place, as if he had forgotten that it was his object to write against the Christians, he says that, "having become acquainted with one Dionysius, an Egyptian musician, the latter told him, with respect to magic arts, that it was only over the uneducated and men of corrupt morals that they had any power, while on philosophers they were unable to produce any effect, because they were careful to observe a healthy manner of life." If, now, it had been our purpose to treat of magic, we could have added a few remarks in addition to what we have already said on this topic; but since it is only the more important matters which we have to notice in answer to Celsus, we shall say of magic, that any one who chooses to inquire whether philosophers were ever led captive by it or not, can read what has been written by Moiragenes regarding the memoirs of the magician and philosopher Apollonius of Tyana, in which this individual, who is not a Christian, but a philosopher, asserts that some philosophers of no mean note were won over by the magic power possessed by Apollonius, and resorted to him as a sorcerer; and among these, I think, he especially mentioned Euphrates and a certain Epicurean.
Now we, on the other hand, affirm, and have learned by experience, that they who worship the God of all things in conformity with the Christianity which comes by Jesus, and who live according to His Gospel, using night and day, continuously and becomingly, the prescribed prayers, are not carried away either by magic or demons. For verily "the angel of the Lord encamps round about them that fear Him, and delivereth them" from all evil; and the angels of the little ones in the Church, who are appointed to watch over them, are said always to behold the face of their Father who is in heaven, whatever be the meaning of "face" or of "behold."
The prophets were harsh
critics of the ceremonial
legalism of the
priests and the evil
which resulted when the Word of God was lost by the
"preacher-priests." Women such as Deborah chided the men for not
taking the leadership and Huldah may have been a true Prophetess.
However, it is more likely that she was the librarian to whom the king
went when it seemed that the copy
of the law when in
the hands of the "worship team" must surely be in error or the nation
would have been warned while "in church."
There is no need for the Word when one tries to gain direct access to God through idols. When Amon, like Manasseh, continued the worship of idols in the temple, the Law or the Bible was lost. The king became so evil that his servants murdered him in his own house.
JOSIAH was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned thirty and one years in Jerusalem. And his mothers name was Jedidah, the daughter of Adaiah of Boscath. 2 Kings 22:1
And he did that which was right in the sight of the Lord, and walked in all the way of David his father, and turned not aside to the right hand or to the left. 2 Kings 22:2
And it came to pass in the eighteenth year of king Josiah, that the king sent Shaphan the son of Azaliah, the son of Meshullam, the scribe, to the house of the Lord, saying, 2 Kings 22:3
Go up to Hilkiah the high priest, that he may sum the silver which is brought into the house of the Lord, which the keepers of the door have gathered of the people: 2 Kings 22:4
And let them deliver it into the hand of the doers of the work, that have the oversight of the house of the Lord: and let them give it to the doers of the work which is in the house of the Lord, to repair the breaches of the house, 2 Kings 22:5
Unto carpenters, and builders, and masons, and to buy timber and hewn stone to repair the house. 2 Kings 22:6
Howbeit, there was no reckoning made with them of the money that was delivered into their hand, because they dealt faithfully. 2 Kings 22:7
When eighteen year old king Josiah wanted to repair the temple, the Law was found along with money and other things:
And Hilkiah the high priest said unto Shaphan the scribe, I have found the book of the law in the house of the Lord. And Hilkiah gave the book to Shaphan, and he read it. 2Ki 22:8
And Shaphan the scribe came to the king, and brought the king word again, and said, Thy servants have gathered the money that was found in the house, and have delivered it into the hand of them that do the work, that have the oversight of the house of the Lord 2 Kings 22:9 .
And Shaphan the scribe shewed the king, saying, Hilkiah the priest hath delivered me a book. And Shaphan read it before the king. 2 Kings 22:10
And it came to pass, when the king had heard the words of the book of the law, that he rent his clothes. 2Ki 22:11
The king read the prophetic warning. He knew what it said and he didn't need a prophet in the revealing sense. Besides, Jeremiah and Zephaniah were revealing prophets at this time. Therefore, Huldah was sought because she had something the prophets did not have:
And the king commanded Hilkiah the priest, and Ahikam the son of Shaphan, and Achbor the son of Michaiah, and Shaphan the scribe, and Asahiah a servant of the kings, saying, 2Ki 22:12
Go ye, enquire of the Lord for me, and for the people, and for all Judah, concerning the words of this book that is found: for great is the wrath of the Lord that is kindled against us, because our fathers have not hearkened unto the words of this book, to do according unto all that which is written concerning us. 2Ki 22:13
To enquire of the Lord was often to enquire of the Record which He had given through the prophets. For instance, the prophets still give us a direct revelation from God when we read Scripture:
So Hilkiah the priest, and Ahikam, and Achbor, and Shaphan, and Asahiah, went unto Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvah, the son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe; (now she dwelt in Jerusalem in the college;) and they communed with her. 2Ki 22:14
The raving maniacs who met Saul were "sons of the prophets" in the sense of singing, dancing and playing musical instruments. However, they were not true prophets. A wife of a prophet was called a prophetess but we know little of Huldah's husband. One who foretold the words of a prophet prophesied. And there were a few, rare prophets who rose up in total opposition to the "worship rituals of the priests." The prophets did not lead the "worship services" for Israel.
For instance, while the men might be inside singing, dancing, playing musical instruments and engaging in sex, the true prophet or prophetess would be outside the "church building" warning the priests. Therefore, Huldah cannot be a model for modern "worship leaders" even though she is a model of a righteous, intellectual woman. A prophet is:
Nebiyah (h5031) neb-ee-yaw'; fem. of 5030; a prophetess or (gen.) inspired woman; by impl. a poetess; by association of prophet's wife: - prophetess.
And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances. Ex.15:20
A prophetess might be many things. In this case, Huldah was the librarian. As New Testament prophesying involves teaching, Huldah knew the law. The place where she worked was the college and not a place to get a direct word from God. The college was:
Mishneh (h4932) mish-neh'; from 8138; prop. a repetition, i. e. a duplicate copy of a document...
Josiah had read the law and was frightened because he saw the prophecies coming down upon his head. When he sent to Huldah who had a duplicate copy of the law which had not been lost by the clergy it was not to get a prophecy in the foretelling sense but in the forth-telling or teaching sense.
He needed to confirm the word which had been in the hands of the cleryg with the word as it had been written and preserved as the temple was turned over to idolatry:
And she said unto them, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Tell the man that sent you to me, 2Ki 22:15
Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof, even all the words of the book which the king of Judah hath read: 2Ki 22:16
Because they have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods,
that they might provoke me to anger with all the works of their hands; therefore my wrath shall be kindled against this place, and shall not be quenched. 2Ki 22:17
God's prophecy of destruction always included the provision that repentance, humility and turning back to the Word would cause Him to withold punishment. Therefore, Huldah could, without predicting, tell Josiah what the Lord said to Him. When revealed by checking the copy she gave a "thus saith the Lord" just as we can still do today:
But to the king of Judah which sent you to enquire of the Lord, thus shall ye say to him, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, As touching the words which thou hast heard; 2Ki 22:18
Because thine heart was tender, and thou hast humbled thyself before the Lord, when thou heardest what I spake against this place, and against the inhabitants thereof, that they should become a desolation and a curse, and hast rent thy clothes, and wept before me; I also have heard thee, saith the Lord. 2Ki 22:19
The king HEARD God when he read the document. Huldah would not gather the king but Huldah knew the Word of God that peace was based on obedience.
Behold therefore, I will gather thee unto thy fathers, and thou shalt be gathered into thy grave in peace; and thine eyes shall not see all the evil which I will bring upon this place. And they brought the king word again. 2 Kings 22:20
From this we can learn three important things:
First, when the Bible gets lost by being "cut into pieces" in the "church house" by those trying to appease the world just to get along we can always go back to the recorded Word of God in the "library" and find out the truth.
Second, Huldah preserved the documents outside the "house" and may have been a great scholar. However, she was not a priest and therefore did not serve as a prophesier in the "congregational assembly" and neither did male prophets. Therefore, she is not an authority for the feminist move on the church.
Third, women are often "more equal than men" in Bible knowledge. It is a pleasure to discuss Biblical issues with women. However, if we go to Huldah, at the college, and look at the duplicated copy of the word not perverted by human philosophy and "I wish it had said that so I will just make it say that" then women may be the best preservers of the Word (conservative) as it has been written.
Hulda, Huldah - Prophetess - Librarian? She may have revealed the word of the prophet Moses because she was the keeper of the duplicate copy of the law. She may have been the librarian. However, the episode of Miriam shows that even being called a prophetess did not mean that she could reveal for God nor could she be a worship leader.
THE REAL PROPHECY:The spirit OF Christ spoke through the PROPHETS to univerally condemn music as the MARK and CAUSE of rejecting the Word. Otherwise, to prophesy meant to MAKE SELF a prophets in a singing, dancing and musical sense.
Exodus 15:[20] sumpsit ergo Maria prophetis soror Aaron tympanum in manu egressaeque sunt omnes mulieres post eam cum tympanis et chorisGod will afflict Miriam with leprosy when she claims to speak for God. The first meaning of prophet in the PAGAN sense meant a charismatic, musical performer. All dramatic performance is INTERPRETATION which is, according to Paul, just speaking in tongues.
Prophe-ta I. a foreteller, SOOTHSAYER prophet... oraculorumque interpretes, sacerdotes Aegyptiorum, quos prophetas vocant, [Priestess of Egpt prophetess call out] Aegyptius, propheta primarius
PHRASE: Aegyptius, propheta primarius1. Aegyptius,John in Revelation 18 as well as ALL definitions of arusal singing and instruments calls it SORCERY used to DECEIVE the whole world. The Iraelite NATION was DECEIVED here and later by usurping women.
2. Prophetai
3. Primarius I. one of the first, of the first rank, chief, principal, excellent, remarkable,
primarius parasitus,
Plaut 2.1.73 PERIPLECOMENUS You are a simpleton. For, if you lay anything out on a bad wife and upon an enemy, that is an expense; that which is laid out on a deserving guest and a friend is gain; as that, which is expended upon sacred rites, is a profit to the wise man. By the blessing of the Gods, I have enough, with which to receive you with hospitality in my house. Eat, drink, indulge your tastes with me, and surfeit yourself with enjoyments; my house is at your service, myself likewise do I wish to be at your service. For, through the blessing of the Gods, I may say that, by reason of my wealth, I could have married a dowered wife of the best family; but I don't choose to introduce an everlasting female barker at me into my house.Părăsītus , i, m., = parasitos, lit. one who eats with another; hence, I. In gen., a guest (pure Lat. conviva): parasiti Jovis, the gods, Hence, parasitus Phoebi, a PLAYER. actor, II. In partic., in a bad sense, one who, by flattery and buffoonery, manages to live at another's expense, a sponger, toad-eater, parasite
-Comically, of a whip: ne ulmos parasitos faciat, that he will make his elm-twigs stick to me like parasites, i. e. give me a sound flogging, he tutelar deity of parasites was Hercules, Plaut. Curc. 2, 3, 79.
Remember the CODE Diotrephes: Name means begotten or BELOVED of Jove who is the "old man" who thrusts in the reaping hook (meaning a musical instrument) about now.
Notes from 2 Maccabees defining the Abomination of Desolation
The tensions which led to the Jewish revolt were exacerbated when the Jewish high priest, a Hellenist himself, offered a sacrifice to Heracles (Hercules) who was a Greek symbol of homosexuality.
But of the Jewish prophets once to PROVE that Miriam was a propheteSS and not a PROPHET.
--Of the Jewish prophets, Vulg. Luc. 1, 70.
Luke 1:70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
Luke 1:71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;
Luke 1:72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy convenant;
Luke 1:73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,
MIRIAM, LIKE ALL POETS AND MUSICIANS, INTERPRETED FOR GOD without authority.
Paul's warning to all of the churches was based on the "Mad Women" in Corinth and elsewhere. Men lifting holy hands without wrath specificially points to wrath or ORGE or ORGY. All of the pagan religions used wine, women and song (Amos) and was rejected for the ekklesia (synagogue or school of the Bible) because only women could fall into the charismatic ecstasy called "prophesying." To get a message from the gods (demons) the mose emotionally and often sexually disturbed person could manipulate the "gods" by supplying ALL of their needs in fertility religions. These "sects" are the ones in Romans 14 where Paul outlawed doubtful disputations which means dialog which is hatched in the human mind. Paul's "gathering or assemblying" words mean synagogue which was a school of the Bible and hever had a "praise service." His only worship word means to give heed to the Word of God--that which is written. The Campbells restored CHURCH as "a school of Christ" and WORSHIP as "reading and musing the Word of God." That did not change much until evangelists were replaced by preachers or what Rubel Shelly calls "located missionaries."
When "feminist" theology replaces the "copy in the library" the rise of women and effeminate males always produces a theatrical ritual which is the "ceremonial legalism" Jesus died to remove.
The prophecy when you begin to "seek your own pleasure and speak your own words" is the spell or magic prophesied by Isaiah.2 Pet 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
Epilusis (g1955)ep-il'-oo-sis; from 1956; explanation, i.e. application: - interpretation.
Epiluo (g1956) ep-ee-loo'-o; from 1909 and 3089; to solve further, i.e. (fig.) to explain, decide: - determine, expound.Epi-lusis , eôs, hê,
A. release from, e. phobôn [fear] didou A.Th.134 (lyr.): abs., exemption from banishment, [purgatory?].
2. . solution, sophismatôn explanation, 2 Ep.Pet.1.20, 2 Pet 3
4. . spell, Magic:4. spell, Magic:2 Peter III. This is now, beloved, the second letter that I have written to you; and in both of them
I stir up your sincere mind by reminding you;[2] that you should
remember the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets,
and the commandments of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior:knowing this first, that in the last days mockers will come, [Magikos, magi
[3]
walking after their own lusts,
[4] and saying, "Where is the promise of his coming? For, from the day that the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation."
Isaiah III. For, behold, the Lord, Yahweh of Hosts, takes away from Jerusalem and from Judah supply and support, The whole supply of bread, And the whole supply of water;[2] The mighty man, The man of war, The judge, The prophet, The diviner, The elder,[3] The captain of fifty, The honorable man, The counselor, The skilled craftsman, And the clever enchanter.[4] I will give boys to be their princes, And children shall rule over them
Boys: Effemino II.Trop., to make womanish, effeminate, to enervate, A.Womanish, effeminate,
Histrio, stage-player, actor, mimus, boaster, used with
Scaena, 1. Of a place like a scene of a theatre, school of rhetoric, display of eloquence.
B. In mal. part., that submits to unnatural lust:pathicus, Cinaedos: a sodomite, catamite, one who dances publicly
Maxey on Miriam
- Richland Hills Church of Christ and the Deaconess
- Ezekiel 13 - Women in Ministry - Rubel Shelly
- 1 Timothy 3:11 - Deaconesses
- Deacon in The Catholic Encyclopedia
- Deaconess in the Catholic Encyclopedia
- Deaconesses in the Council of Nicea A.D. 325
- Women Deacons (Deaconesses) - Didascalia
- Women Deacons (Deaconesses) - Tertullian
- Women in Worship - Deaconesses - Lifting Holy Hands
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