Grace Centered Magazine: Statement of Faith

Lee Wilson of Grace Centered Magazine says: We Wrangle over: "The Core Gospel is: One Lord, one faith, one baptism, Ephesians 4:5"

11.03.11 See Grace Conversation Two: Jay Guin set up a conversation between all parties non of whom can define the meaning of Grace.

11.01.11 The Nicene Creed affirmed by Grace Centered Forum as polytheism. Its amazing that people with no Bible or Historic background can be so graceless and dogmatic and wind up teaching what John defines as the Mark of the ANTI-Christ
1Timothy 2:5 For there is one God,
        and one mediator between God and men,
        the man Christ Jesus;
The Nicene Creed spoke retrospectively of Jesus Christ whom God made to be both Lord and Christ but of course Jesus wasn't born before He became the SEED of Abraham totally. And in retrospect, they just said And the Holy Spirit. They understood that Spirit literally means WIND or AIR and only figuratively of the BREATH of God.

Why Christ left musical instruments as a way to MARK those who--as it is obvious--mock Jesus by refusing to teach using HIS songs and sermons: especially since in prophecy and fulfilment Christ FORBIDS you to seek your own pleasure or speak your own words: we can't trust you and that is why you have failed.

9.25.11 MOCKING JESUS PART ONE

CHRIST (the Rock) ordained the Qahal, synagogue or Church of Christ in the wilderness. It served the same purpose as the Church of Christ after God through Jesus had totally destroyed the Jewish "covenant with death."

The Alarm or Triumph OVER was outlawed when the Holy Convocation was called into assembly.



That always existed to QUARANTINE the godly people from the abandoned tribe of Levi who lost their inheritance and engaged in THE WORSHIP OF THE STARRY host: that is the patternism of the preachers and PhDuhs at places like LU and ACU.

Isaiah 4:3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem,
        shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:
Isaiah 4:4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion,
Jesus cast out the musical minstrels "more or less violently, like dung."

And the Lord will again wait, that he may pity you, and will therefore be exalted that he may have mercy upon vou because the Lord your God is a judge blessed are they that stay themselves upon him. Isaiah 30:l8 LXX

For the holy people shall dwell in Sion and whereas Jerusalem has wept bitterly saying, Pity me; he shall pity thee when he perceived the voice of thy cry he hearkened to thee. Isaiah 30:19 LXX

And though the Lord shall give you the bread of affliction and sent water,
        yet they that cause thee to err shall no more at all draw nigh to thee,
        for thine eyes shall see those that cause thee to err Isaiah 30:20 LXX

and thine ears shall hear the words of them that went after thee to lead thee astray,
who say, This is the way, let us walk in it, whether to the
right or to the left. Isaiah 30:21 LXX

And thou shalt pollute the plated idols
        and thou shalt grind to powder (like "melody" in Greek) the gilt ones,
        and shalt scatter them as the water of a removed woman,
        and thou shalt thrust them forth as dung. Isaiah 30:22 LXX
        and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem
        from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.
Isaiah 4:5 And the LORD will create upon every dwelling place of mount Zion,
        and upon her assemblies,
        a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night:
        for upon all the glory shall be a defence.
Isaiah 4:6 And there shall be a tabernacle for a shadow in the daytime from the heat,
        and for a place of refuge,
        and for a covert from storm and from rain.
Juppiter,who dispenses rain

When God promised David a house He meant a family or tabernacle: when Christ came to restore that fallen tabernacle it was NOT a temple and it never included any kind of music

[6] et tabernaculum erit in umbraculum diei ab aestu et in securitatem et absconsionem a turbine et a pluvia

Here Christ promises REST: the Greek Paul means STOP all religious observations thinking that you can make the kingdom come

Aestus
, has stirred up from their very bottom the waves of discord,
A. Of fire; hence, in gen., fire, glow, heat (orig. in relation to its flashing up; while fervor denotes a glowing, ardor a burning, ,an undulating, boiling, waving, tossing; a waving, heaving, billowy motion.
B.
The undulating, heaving motion of the sea, the swell, surge: fervet aestu pelagus, Pac. ap. Cic. de
A. The passionate ferment or commotion of the mind, the fire, glow, Or. 3, 39; hence, meton. for the sea in agitation, waves, billows: has stirred up from their very bottom the waves of discord,
Canicula Dogs, catamites, insana, Diogenes, CAPELLA
Cyrenaica pleasure is the only good. Good in a pleasing agitation of the mind or in active enjoyment. hedone. Nothing is just or unjust by nature, but by custom and law.

Cynĭcus ,  (doglike). I. Subst., a Cynic philosopher, a Cynic, Cic. de Or. 3, 17, 62; id. Fin. 3, 20, 68; Hor. Ep. 1, 17, 18; Juv. 13, 121: “nudi dolia,” i. e. of Diogenes, id. 14, 309.—Hence, adj.: Cynĭcus , a, um, Cynic: “institutio,Tac. A. 16, 34: “cena,Petr. 14; and in * adv.: Cynĭcē , after the manner of the Cynics, Plaut. Stich. 5, 4, 22.—
Sēcūrĭtas ,
I. freedom from care, unconcern, composure. from  perturbatione,
securitas inaffectatae orationis,quietness, Quint. 11, 1, 93;
     Meaning freedom from affected oratory not related to “veritas verborum,quietness

HERE IS THE WAY TABERNACLE ROBBERS TAKE OVER YOURS

Perturbātĭo , ōnis, f. perturbo,
I. confusion, disorder, disturbance.

Perturbatione magis
Măgus , a, um, adj. 1. magus, . magic, magical (poet.): “artes,Ov. Am. 1, 8, 5: “manus, id. Med. fac. 36: carmen, Sen. Herc. Oet. 467.
Ars , artis, f. v. arma, I. skill in joining something manner of thinking, so far as it is made known by external actions (syn.: doctrina, sollertia, calliditas, prudentia, virtus, industria, ratio, via, dolus).
1. With the idea extended, any physical or mental activity, so far as it is practically exhibited; a profession, art (music, poetry, medicine, etc.) rhetorical and, at a later period, for grammatical treatises. (a). Rhetorical:
musicam, litterarum cognitionem et poëtarumPROFESSION
Sen. Her. O. 467
Quas Pontus herbas generat aut quas Thessala
sub rupe Pindus alit: ubi inveniam malum
cui cedat ille? carmine in terras mago
descendat astris Luna desertis licet
et bruma messes videat et cantu fugax
470stet deprehensum fulmen et versa vice
medius coactis ferveat stellis dies:
non flectet illum.

Carmen , ĭnis, n. (old form cas-men , Varr. L. L. p. 86 Bip.) [Sanscr. çasto declaim, praise; cf.: camilla, censeo], “citharae liquidum carmen,” “lyrae carmen,Prop. 2, 1, 9
Playing on the guitar with liquidus  A. Flowing, continuing without interruption: sinnginggenus sermoni
I. a tune, song; poem, verse; an oracular response, a prophecy; a form of incantation (cf.: cano, cantus, and canto). “lyricorum carmina,
barbaricum,id. M. 11, 163.—With allusion to playing on the cithara:
Ov. Met. 11.163 Of Sardis with the t'one syde and to Hypep with the tother.
There Pan among the fayrye elves that dawnced round togither
In setting of his conning out for singing and for play
Uppon his pype of reedes and wax, presuming for to say
Apollos musick was not like to his, did take in hand
A farre unequall match, wherof the Tmole for judge should stand.
The auncient judge sitts downe uppon his hill, and ridds his eares

Apollo with his lyre was the winner then and according to Revelation, now.,
 WHAT IT MEANS TO ABSCOUND WITH YOUR TABERNACLE
Abs-condo  put away, conceal carefully, hide, secrete (the access. idea of a careful concealment
B. In gen., to make invisible, to cover: “fluvium et campos caede,Sil. 11, 522; so id. 17, 49.—
C. Poet., to put a place out of sight, to lose sight of, to depart from: “aërias Phaeacum abscondimus arces,we leave behind, Verg. A. 3, 291 (cf. id. ib. 4, 154: transmittunt cursu campos).—jus pontificum,id. Dom. 54, 138
Rick Atchley: The era of the progressive Church of Christ is over.Well,
        we discipled the children of those progressive churches

        for a whole generation to grow past us Boomers.
        They never heard the sermons we heard.
        They never heard the rationale for a cappella music.
Măgus , a, um, adj. 1. magus, . magic, magical (poet.): “artes,Ov. Am. 1, 8, 5: “manus, id. Med. fac. 36: carmen, Sen. Herc. Oet. 467.
Verg. A. 3.291
So, safe at land, our hopeless peril past,
we offered thanks to Jove, and kindled high
his altars with our feast and sacrifice;
then, gathering on Actium's holy shore,
made fair solemnities of pomp and game.
My youth, anointing their smooth, naked limbs,
wrestled our wonted way.
Jeremiah 23:25 I have heard what the prophets said,
        that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed.
Jeremiah 23:26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies?
        yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;

Mendācĭum , B. Esp., a fable, fiction (opp. historic truth): “poëtarum,Curt. 3, 1, 4.—
Pŏēta  I. In gen., a maker, producer, contriver, trickster, “oratores et poëtae,id. ib. 3, 10, 39: “versificator quam poëta melior    poëtam in scenā
Fittingly they use the Levites who were SOOTHSAYER with Instrumental Accompaniment

Prŏphēta and prŏphētes , ae, m., = prophētēs, I. a foreteller, soothsayer, prophet
sacerdotes Aegyptiorum, quos prophetas vocant,Macr. S. 7, 13, 9: “Aegyptius, propheta primarius,

Prīmārĭus , a, um, adj. id., I. one of the first, of the first rank, chief, principal, excellent, remarkable (class.): “primarius parasitus,
The cursed Levites were PARASITES: all sacrificial musicians in Greek altars were called parasites.
One who eats with another; hence,  I. In gen., a guest (pure Lat. conviva): parasiti Jovis, the gods, Varr. ap. Aug. Civ. Dei, 6, 7; App. M. 10, p. 246, 35.—Hence, parasitus Phoebi, a player, actor, II. In partic., in a bad sense, one who, by flattery and buffoonery, manages to live at another's expense, a sponger, toad-eater, parasite
YOUR SENIOR PASTORS AND MUSICIANS WHO GET PAID FOR MAKING UP THEIR WON SONGS AND SERMONS ARE DEFACTO PARSITES.
Jeremiah 23:27 Which think to cause my people to forget my name
         by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour,
         as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.
Rick Atchley: We sent them to youth rallies and Church of Christ events
        with some of the finest Christian bands in the world.
        We discipled our children to leave our Movement!
WE NOTED ABOVE THAT HERE IS THE WAY TABERNACLE ROBBERS TAKE OVER YOURS
Carmen , ĭnis, n. (old form cas-men , Varr. L. L. p. 86 Bip.) [Sanscr. çasto declaim, praise; cf.: camilla, censeo], “citharae liquidum carmen,” “lyrae carmen,Prop. 2, 1, 9
Playing on the guitar with liquidus  A. Flowing, continuing without interruption: sinnginggenus sermoni
Jeremiah 23:26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies?
        yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;

When people tamper with the Word God sends them strong delusions so that they BELIEVE THEIR OWN LIES about music: the Lying Wonders are specificially singing, playing, acting or rhetoric TELLING those they fleece that they are COMMANDED by God: Jesus said that the kingdomof God does not come with "religious observations" or ritual worship services.

PSALM 41 PROPHESIED THAT JUDAS WOULD ATTEMPT TO MAKE JESUS LEAVE HIS MUSIC: his judas bag was for carrying the mouthpieces of wind instruments.

Psalm 41 was left as a MARK to identify Judas who would try to spook Jesus by engaging in the musical perfromance OUTLAWED for the church by Christ.
Psalm 41 gives the ALARM or triumph over (vocal or instrumental rejoicing, rhetoric) as the MARK of Judas: the Judas Bag was that of a thief for carrying the mouthpieces of wind instruments. Revelation 17-18 still leaves performance music as the MARK of Sorcerers who with the dogs and liars will be (have been) cast alive into the lake of fire.

The Thanksgiving Hymns (1QH) from the Dead Sea Scrolls interprets Psalm 41:

They come to inquire of Thee
from the mouth of lying prophets deceived by error
Who speak with strange lips to Thy people,
and an alien tongue,
That they may cunningly turn
all their work to folly.
Paul warned about this in Ephesians 4.
For Thou, O God, hast sheltered me
from the children of men
And hast hidden Thy Law within me
against the time when Thou shoudst
reveal Thy salvation to me.

All who have eaten my bread
have lifted their heel against me (cf John 13:18)
And all those joined to my Council
have mocked me with wicked lips.

Thy members of my Covenant have rebelled
and have murmured round about me;
They have gone as talebearers
before the children of mischief
concerning the mystery which Thou hast hidden in me...

They have overtaken me in a narrow pass without escape
And there is no rest for me in my trial.
They sound my censure upon a harp
and their murmuring and storming upon a zither."

Anguish seizes me
like the pangs of a woman in travail,
and my heart is troubled within me.
I am clothed in blackness
and my tongue cleaves to the roof of my mouth. (Vermes, 

However, in victory it is said of Messiah:

I will groan with the zither of lamentation
in all grief-stricken mourning and bitter complaint
until iniquity and wickedness are consumed
and the disease-bringing scourge is no more.
An evil disease, say they, cleaveth fast unto him:
and now that he lieth
he shall rise up no more. Ps.41:8
Then will I play on the zither of deliverance
and harp of joy,
on the tabors of prayer and the pipe of praise
without end.
DSS: And at the beginning of their weeks
for the season of Jubilee.
All my life the engraved Precept shall be on my tongue
as the fruit of praise
and the portion of my lips.
 
I will sing with knowledge and all my music
shall be for the glory of God.
(My) lyre (and) my harp shall sound
for His holy order
and I will tune the pipe of my lips
to His right measure.
When the elders HELD their harps there is NO MUSIC but sounds-like.  Holding the harps is APPREHENDING the Word of God Who breathed and spoke through Jesus Christ to reveal His word WITHOUT MEASURE.  Then we can mark the Judas types.

Jesus never said: "Thou shalt not be a Judas."

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Grace Centered Magazine--like a few other Anti-church of Christ sites--has rejected Grace which TEACHES us to deny ungodliness.  It is ungodly to hide behind an alias and lie to God and about God without  being willing to give an answer to why you should not burn for imiataing:
The Levites volunteered to EXECUTE 3,000 of their brethren who fell into musical idolatry at Mount Sinai.

God commanded only this role in the future sacrificial system to which God abandoned the Levi tribe.

The Levites performed as SOOTHSAYERS with instrumental accompaniment under the king and commanders of the army.  They were abandoned to stand guard at imposed animal sacrifices and EXECUTE any preacher, singer, instrument player, clapper etal who came NEAR any holy thing.

The burning of the GOATS is the place where the Levites made a great instrumental noise--never called music--and was the idea and command of Hezekiah: this was to try to appease Israel as the fallen into Instrumental Music Sectarians.  This is the event where the Levites under the King and Commanders of the army are said to be under the COMMANDMENTS OF DAVID THE KING.

Christ in Isaiah 1 and Jeremiah 7 said that God DID NOT COMMAND sacrifices and burnt offerings: to believe that He did is blasphemy.

If your "leaders" confess that the "youth meetings" with lots of instrumental music was intended to "move them from our movement."

And God in Christ denounces the use of instruments for the godly Jews who worshipped at the synagogue and NOT INSIDE the temple, calls The Civil-Military-Clergy Complex robbers and parasites.

Then Christ in Jeremiah 23 says that you have blasphemed the Holy Spirit of Christ who ordained the Prophets and Apostles as the foundation upon which the church is built.
LarryS and Johnb rule a "church of Christ" forum and just removes anything quoted form the Bible and all recorded church history which rejects their anti-church of Christ rule.

Consistent with their misleaders, they use opinion-only to justify this unChristian and unGodly attack.
Again the Levites performed during an UNAUTHORIZED and BABYLONISH sacrifice as SOOTHSAYERS with INSTRUMENTAL ACCOMPANIMENT.

When a person or thing is DEDICATED to a temple or holy place, they loose their inheritance and are declared ANATHEMA: anathema means that it is dedicated to the temple or assembly and CANNOT be redeemed. Therefore, it MUST be burned. That is a predestinated punishment for--like Lucifer--being lifted up with pride and presuming to stand in the holy place and claiming to be GOD because they claim to "lead you into the presence of God" and thereby usurp the role of the ONE MEDIATOR between man and man. Christ called Lucifer the "singing and harp playing prostitute in the garden of Eden." He/she/it was "cast as profane" out of heaven defined by David's "praise word."

The Levites went to Jerusalem in musical processions specificially to offer burnt offering of childeren as the ONLY RATIONALE for instrumental noise even when Hezekiah tried to eleminate infant sacrifice just before the PROOF-TEXT and just after the temple had been purged of all of the Assyrian instruments.

REMEMBERING THAT ISRAEL REVOLTED AND BECAME THE PROTOTYPE INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC SECT.

Christ in Isaiah 30 says of the Assyrians who controlled Israel and well as ALL national worship patternism:

Must ye always rejoice, and go into my holy places continually, as they that keep a feast? and must ye go with a pipe, as those that rejoice into the mountain of the Lord, to the God of Israel Isaiah 30:29 LXX

"Many of the Psalms are expressive of the parade dance, or dance procession, in a way which show it to have been the characteristic form of the festival (Psalms 30:12, 87:7, 149:3, 150:4; Is. 30:29) and that this was where many of the Psalms were used." ( W. O. E. Osterley, The Sacred Dance (Cambridge: N. P., 1923), p. 94)

Isa 30:30 And the Lord shall make his glorious voice to be hearrd
        and the wrath of his arm [Messiah], to make a display with wrath and of anger and devouring flame:
        he shall lighten terribly, and his wrath shall be as water and bionent hail.

Isa 30:31 For by the voice of the Lord the Assyrians shall be overcome,
        even by the stroke wherewtith he shall smit them.

Isa 3032 And is shall happen to him from every side,
        that they from whome their hope of assistance was,    
        in which he trusted, themselves shall war against him in turn with drums and with harp.


The marks in sight and sound of God driving His enemies into "hell" will be the same wind, string and percussion instruments which Lucifer (Zoe) brought with him/her/it into the garden of Eden as a "singing and harp playing prostitute."

Consistent with all recorded history those who dedicate themselves to religious music are "Drunk, perverted or just playing around." That is why according to the Book of Enoch once they have FALLEN they can never be restored: that is why the Levites slaughtered 3,000 of the instrumental idolaters.

Revelation 17 tells the same story: the rhetoricians, singers and instrument players have dedicated themselves to being SORCERERS with instrumental accompaniment. That is why John says that the sorcerers (anathematized religious performers) will be (have been) cast alive into the LAKE OF FIRE. That includes LIARS and DOGS which Paul excluded from worship: these were the Cynic Catamites as "old style praise singers."

This is what LarryS and JohnB are trying to seduce you into: again when the godly people fell into musical idolatry in Enoch (the Jubal family) they knew that they could NOT be redeemed: they filled all of their time trying to gain affirmation by seducing others into INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC.  The BEAST is defined as "A new style of singing or drama." Your GRACE-CENTERED church is the Babylon Mother of Harlots (Rev 17) who uses lusted after FRUITS (same as in Amost) as performers of religious OBSERVATIONS which guarantees that the Kingdom (Christ) is not there.

Nevertheless VIOLENT men try to take the kingom by VIOLENT MEANS. Refusing to let you defend Christ and His Word IS very violent acts by violent men.

If you follw Rick Atchley, Jay Guin, Max Lucado, Chris Seidman, Al Maxey, LarryS, Johnb none of whom needs to read the Word etal the PATTERNISM is
BURNING GOATS to try to appease the already-abandoned INSTRUMENTAL SECT with Loud Instrumental noise (it still isn't music) accompaniment. That is a MARK Christ left in Psalm 41.

In Isaiah 30 and Revelation 17-18 that is the MARK of God removing the music, instrumetents and the Lampstands from your congregation and guiding you into the Lake of Fire.

The instrumental sectarians do not seek unity but A hostile takeover using deceptive (Satanic) means.
Rick Atchley-Chris Seidman: The Levites were commanded to EXECUTE anyone who came near any holy place during the slaughter of innocent animals which were NOT commanded by God.  How we won your children!

Rick Atchley was handled and seduced into his ORIGINAL GOAL by bringing in liars from the NACC and fooling the foolish by making them think that one alimal slaughter and burning by the Civil-Military-Clergy complex Christ called robbers and prasites is their command from "a" spirit to impose instrumental praise that word which is a dead giveaway to the "women and effeminate boys" ruling over you:

THE PATTERN OF USING MUSIC FOR DELIBERATE DECEPTION
2Corinthians 6:7 By the word of truth, by the power of God,
        by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
2Corinthians 6:8 By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report:
        as deceivers, and yet true;
2Corinthians 6:9 As unknown, and yet well known;
        as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed;
From Jay Guin reporting in New Wineskins
Rick Atchley: The era of the progressive Church of Christ is over.

Back in the 80’s you could go to any major city, especially in the South, and you could find a progressive Church of Christ — and if they would preach grace, and if they would put words on a screen, and if they would let divorced people place membership, they would grow.

The generation of Boomers has enough denominational loyalty that they’re going to find the least legalistic

Well, we discipled the children of those progressive churches
        for a whole generation to grow past us Boomers.
        They never heard the sermons we heard.
        They never heard the rationale for a cappella music.

We sent them to youth rallies and Church of Christ events
        with some of the finest Christian bands in the world.
        We discipled our children to leave our Movement!
This must be deception of Biblical proportions especially since it is based on violating all Biblical and Historical evidence. It is not possible to be so misinformed.

The Serpent Deceiver is defined as a Musical Enchanter(ess). Christ calls Tyre Lucifer as "the singing and harp-playing prostitute in the garden of Eden."

"According to the system which Nimrod was the grand instrument in introducing, men were led to believe

that a real spiritual change of heart was unnecessary,
and that so far as change was needful,
they could be
regenerated by mere external means.

"Looking at the subject in the light of the Bacchanalian orgies (Read Ephesus and Corinth), which, as the reader has seen, commemorated the history of Nimrod, it is evident that
         he led mankind to seek their chief good in sensual enjoyment,

and showed them how they might enjoy the pleasures of sin, without any fear of the wrath of a holy God. 

"In his various expeditions he was always accompanied by troops of women; and by music and song, and games (ritual drama) and revelries, and everything that could please the natural hearts,

he commended himself to the good graces of mankind." (Hislop, Alexander, The Two Babylons, p. 55, Loizeaux Brothers)

Aristotle: Melody Deceives: "Poets also make use of this in inventing words, as a melody "without strings" or "without the lyre"; for they employ epithets from negations, a course which is approved in proportional metaphors..

The form of diction should be neither metrical nor without rhythm.

If it is metrical, it lacks persuasiveness, for it appears artificial, and at the same time it distracts the hearer's attention, since it sets him on the watch for the recurrence of such and such a cadence..

According to Philo, the gods of the pagans exploit this weakness of men. For the sake of a better effect, and with the intention of more easily cheating their devotes, that they have set their lies to melodies, rhythms and meters.." Click for more.

-Aristotle Poetics [941b] if convicted. Theft of property is uncivilized,
        open robbery is
shameless: neither of these has any of the sons of Zeus practiced,
        through delight in fraud or force.

        Let no man, therefore, be deluded concerning this or persuaded
        either by
poets or by any perverse myth-mongers into the belief that,
        when he
thieves or forcibly robs (churches), he is doing nothing shameful,
        but just what the gods themselves do.1 That is both unlikely and untrue; a
        nd whoever acts thus unlawfully is neither a god at all
nor a child of gods;
1 Cp.Plat. Rep 378 ff., Plat. Rep. 388 ff. Hermes is specially in mind, as notorious for his thefts and frauds; cp. Homer Iliad 5. 390; 24. 395, etc.
-347d such is their lack of education—put a premium on flute-girls
       
by hiring the extraneous voice of the flute at a high price,
         and
carry on their intercourse by means of its utterance.
But where the party consists of thorough gentlemen who have had a proper education,
        you will see neither flute-girls nor dancing-girls nor harp-girls,
        but only the company contenting themselves with their own conversation,
        and none of these fooleries and frolics—each speaking and listening decently in his turn,


Pind. N. 7 Skillful men know the wind that will come on the day after tomorrow,
       and they do not suffer loss through the love of gain.
      The rich man and the poor man alike travel together to the boundary of death.
[20] And I expect that the story of Odysseus came to exceed his experiences,

        through the sweet songs of Homer,
        since there is a certain solemnity in his lies and winged artfulness,
        and poetic skill deceives, seducing us with stories,
        and the heart of the mass of men is blind.
For if [25] they had been able to see the truth, then mighty Aias, in anger over the arms, would never have planted in his chest the smooth sword—Aias, who was the most powerful in battle,

Aristotle: Melody Deceives: "Poets also make use of this in inventing words, as a melody "without strings" or "without the lyre"; for they employ epithets from negations, a course which is approved in proportional metaphors..

The form of diction should be neither metrical nor without rhythm.

If it is metrical, it lacks persuasiveness, for it appears artificial, and at the same time it distracts the hearer's attention, since it sets him on the watch for the recurrence of such and such a cadence..

According to Philo, the gods of the pagans exploit this weakness of men. For the sake of a better effect, and with the intention of more easily cheating their devotes, that they have set their lies to melodies, rhythms and meters.." Click for more.

Rick Atchley: They’re not leaving the kingdom of God, and I’m not saying that — so please hear me say, I’m not placing the health of the Movement above the kingdom of God — I want my kids to love Jesus, but I do think that Churches need to understand.

Jesus said the kingdom of God does not come to "Religious Observations" or worship services: Jesus commanded the ekklesia or synagogue as A School of Christ (only). Too bad.

They are older and smaller, and their kids are gone. Their kids have fond memories of growing up in that church. The church taught them about Jesus, but now they are somewhere else.

You know, when I hear some of those old arguments about music, because of my history, even though I disagree, at least I can connect the dots and see how you got there. My children don’t even have the graph paper!

My thesis is that Rick has never read Christ's views about instrumental music.  He is reading off the NACC white paper but does not grasp that "vocal or instrumental rejoicing" or elevated forms of speech was OUTLAWED for the Church of Christ in the wilderness.

Chris Seidman:
Let me say this, I don’t think whether our churches become “hybrids” with a cappella and instrumental services will be the difference-maker in whether the younger generations stay with the Movement. I think there are bigger fish to fry in their minds. But I do think that music is a variable in their decision.
Not only is the instrumental genre a part of the culture,
but they are growing up with it being used in their children’s and youth ministries.

We always understood this to be the method of deliberately altering the minds of the youth so they would finance people with no Biblical role and no dole.

When they get to adulthood and begin functioning within a local church in our heritage, they will notice its absence. And I think that in the long run, they won’t engage in a discussion because,
as Rick said, they don’t even have the graph paper to connect the dots.
They’ll be more likely just to quietly transition to another part of Christendom.

This is happening right now. Between our concern for the younger generations in the Movement and our desire to reach those who have disengaged or never connected with Jesus in our culture, we think it’s worth addressing the matter.
CLAIMING TO BE A TEACHER BUT NOT KNOWING THAT THE CHURCH OF CHRIST IS BUILT ON THE PROPHETS AND APOSTLES.  That is why most preachers and "scholars" cannot read BLACK text on BROWN  paper where Christ REPUDIATES you and puts you beyond redemption:
57:3 But draw near hither, ye sons of the sorceress, the seed of the adulterer and the whore.

Augŭrātrix , īcis, f. id.,I. a female soothsayer or diviner (post-class.), Vulg. Isa. 57, 3 (as transl. of the Heb. ; but in Paul. ex Fest. p. 117, the correct reading is argutatrix; v. Müll. ad h. l.

Soothsayers: Anan (h6049) aw-nan'; a prim. root; to cover; used only as denom. from 6051, to cloud over; fig. to act covertly, i. e. practise magic: - * bring, enchanter, Meonemin, observe (-r of) times, soothsayer, sorcerer.

Manteuomai (g3132) mant-yoo'-om-ahee; from a der. of 3105 (mean. a prophet, as supposed to rave through inspiration); to divine, i.e. utter spells under pretence of foretelling: - by soothsaying.

Isa 57:4 Against whom do ye sport yourselves? against whom make ye a wide mouth, and draw out the tongue? are ye not children of transgression, a seed of falsehood,

This is defined--then and now--as rising up to Play including playing instruments and playing one with another  (Romans 1). This was a sin WITHOUT REDEMPTION.

Lūdo , ” Verg. E. 6, 1.—Esp., to play on an instrument of music, to make or compose music or song: “ludere quae vellem calamo permisit agresti,Verg. E. 1, 10:
quod tenerae cantent, lusit tua musa, puellae,id. Am. 3, 1, 27: “coloni Versibus incomptis ludunt,Verg. G. 2, 386: “carmina pastorum,

Musa I. a muse, one of the goddesses of poetry, music, and the other liberal arts.
A. A song, a poem: “musa procax,Hor. C. 2, 1, 37: “pedestris,a style of poetry bordering on prose, id. S. 2, 6, 17.—

Canto: . Neutr., to produce melodious sounds (by the voice or an instrument), to sound, sing, play (class. in prose and poetry; rare in Cic.).
C. Transf., of instruments, to sound, resound: “pastoris bucina cantat,Pro

C. Transf., of instruments, to sound, resound: “pastoris bucina cantat,ProI. Lit., to play, play at a game of some kind:
C. Ludere aliquem or aliquid, to play, mock, imitate, mimic a person or thing (only in mockery; cf.: partes agere, etc.): civem bonum ludit, Cael. ap. Cic. Fam. 8, 9, 1; cf.: “ludere opus,to imitate work, make believe work,

Sport: Anag (h6026) aw-nag'; a prim. root; to be soft or pliable, i. e. (fig.) effeminate or luxurious: - delicate (-ness), (have) delight (self), sport self.Empaizô , fut. - mock at, mock, tini 3. Pass., to be deluded, Ev.Matt.2.16, AP10.56.2 (Pall.), Vett.Val.16.14; to be defrauded, of the revenues, 

II. sport in or on, “hōs nebros khloerais e. leimakos hēdonaisE.Ba. 866 (lyr.); tois khoroisin e. to sport in the dance, Ar.Th.975; “ gumnasiōLuc.Lex.5.

Prophetic:

Isa 57:18 I have seen his ways, and will heal him: 
        I will lead him also, and restore comforts unto him and to his mourners.

Isa 57:19 I create the fruit of the lips; 
        Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the Lord; and I will heal him.

Heb 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.

Heb 13:15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice to God continually,
        that is, the fruit of our lips
        giving thanks to his name.

Just after Rick Atchley's authority for IMPOSING musical instruments based on the PATTERN of the Jacob-cursed Levites and Hezekiah died
. The PATTERN then is absolutely ordained by God to be completed.  Hezekiah substituted GOATS instead of infants to try to correct the Levite's historical practice begun in Egypt as performing as SOOTHSAYERS with INSTRUMENTAL accompaniment to silence the voice of the innocent infants.

Hezekiah showed no concern for his children or grandchildren as long as his betrayal to the Assyrians did not happen in his time.  As a result, Manasseh RESTORED the burning of CHILDREN instead of GOATS as Rick atchley's legalistic patternism.

2Chr 33:9 So Manasseh made Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem to err,
        and to do worse than the heathen, whom the LORD had destroyed before the children of Israel.

sē-dūco , xi, ctum, 3, v. a. I. To lead aside or apart, to draw aside; to lead away, carry off; to set aside, put by, etc. (syn. sevoco).
1. In gen., to remove, separate, etc. (not ante-Aug. and rare): “quiddam a corporibus seductum,
2. In partic., to lead astray, mislead, seduce (eccl. Lat.), Tert. adv. Marc. 2, 8; Aug. Conf. 2, 3 med.; id. Tract. in Johan. 29; id. Civ. Dei, 14, 11 fin.; Vulg. Exod. 22, 16 et saep.—
 2Chr 33:10 And the LORD spake to Manasseh,
        and to his people: but they would not hearken

2Chr 33:11 Wherefore the LORD brought upon them the captains of the host of the king of Assyria,
        which took Manasseh among the thorns, and bound him with fetters, and carried him to Babylon.

2Chr 33:12 And when he was in affliction, he besought the LORD his God, and humbled himself greatly before the God of his fathers,

Clark: Here is a very large addition in the Chaldee: "For the Chaldeans made a brazen mule, pierced full of small holes, and put him within it, and kindled fires all around it; and when he was in this misery, he sought help of all the idols which he had made, but obtained none, for their were of no use. He therefore repented, and prayed before the Lord his God, and was greatly humbled in the sight of the Lord God of his fathers."
When Manasseh (the changelings) repented

2Chr 33:17 Nevertheless the people did sacrifice still in the high places, yet unto the LORD their God only.

Wesley Still — Manasseh could not carry the reformation so far as he had carried the corruption. It is an easy thing to debauch men's manners; but not so easy to reform them again.

2Chr 33:18 Now the rest of the acts of Manasseh, and his prayer unto his God, and the words of the seers that spake to him in the name of the LORD God of Israel, behold, they are written in the book of the kings of Israel.

Verse 18. "The words of the seers that spake to him" - "Which were spoken to him in the name of the WORD of the Lord God of Israel." -Targum.
He says that by using DEVIOUS MEANS to teach YOUR CHILDREN to leave the Church of Christ he is bringing them into the KINGDOM.  Again, not being able to read BLACK text on BROWN paper, neither he nor LarryS or Johnb can ever comprehend that Jesus warned us NOT to go out to the patternism of the Levites because the Kingdom of God does not comme with RELIGIOUS OBSERVATIONS or "Worship Services." Jesus excluded those with no role and no dole including any effeminate praise singer as the OLDEST known profession.

http://www.piney.com/Luke.17.Kingdom.Not.Observation.html

The Church of Christ is defined from the wilderness onward:

INCLUSIVE of Rest, Reading and Rehearsing The Word of God (only)
EXCLUSIVE of "vocal or instrumental rejoicing" including high sounding preaching or rhetoric.

These people who confess using INSTUMENTS to lead your children astray cannot bring the kingdom of God to your confiscated congregation.  Maybe they were hearing a DIFFERENT kind of "spirit?"

8.19.11 See some history of the Jacob-Cursed tribe of Levi
Gen. 49:5 Simeon and Levi are brethren;
        instruments of cruelty are [h3627 psaltery, weapon]
        in their habitations. [stabbing, burning Bello ]
Iniquitas B. Unfairness, injustice, unreasonableness: luxuria, praetoris, unreasonable demands in the shape of taxes,

Cruelty
h2555 unjust gain Habitations h4380 Stabbing, a sword a furnace, boiling
Instruments:  7015. qiynah, kee-naw´; from 6969; a dirge (as accompanied by beating the breasts
                               or on instruments):—lamentation.       
  6969. quwn, koon; a primitive root; to strike a musical note, i.e. chant or wail (at a funeral):— ;ament, mourning woman [from CAIN]
Remember That Cain was of the wicked one and Paul said that Eve was totally deceived as a wife is taken before her husband.
Gen. 49:6 O my soul, come not thou into their secret;  [counsel: don't look to Levi for a pattern]
        unto their assembly
, mine honour, be not thou united:
        for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill they digged down a wall.
Gen. 49:7 Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce; and their wrath, for it was cruel:
        I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel.
Divido I. To force asunder, part, separate, divide (very freq. and class.; cf.: distribuo, dispertio; findo, scindo, dirimo, divello, separo, sejungo, segrego, secerno).
And don't forget that they volunteered to slaughter 3000 including their own "brethren" for engaging in musical idolatry.  When they were "divided" to execute 3,000 people who had engaged in musical idolatry they were commanded by God (2 Chronicles 29) to stand guard and execute any of the civillians who came near any ritual of the temple. They LOST their inheritance.
"The triumphal hymn of Moses had unquestionably a religious character about it; but the employment of music in religious services, though idolatrous, is more distinctly marked in the festivities which attended the erection of the golden calf." (Smith's Bible Dictionary, Music, p. 589).  See Musical Idolatry at Mount Sinai
Exod 32:6 And they rose up early on the morrow,  and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; 
        and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play
Ludo  A. To sport, play with any thing, to practise as a pastime, amuse one's self with any thing,
B. To sport, dally, wantonly Esp., to play on an instrument of music, to make or compose music or song: carmina pastorum,
Exodus 32:25 And when Moses saw that the people were naked;
        (for Aaron had made them naked unto their shame among their enemies:)
Exodus 32:26 Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said,
        Who is on the LORD’s side? let him come unto me.
        And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him.

Here is what Moses commanded:

Exodus 32:27 And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel,
        Put every man his sword by his side,
        and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp,
        And slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.
Exodus 32:28 And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses:
        and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.
The worship of the starry host (Acts 7) was guarded by the Levites who would kill any civillian who came near any holy thing or place.
Numbers 18:1 And the LORD said unto Aaron,
        Thou and thy sons and thy father’s house with thee
        shall bear the iniquity of the sanctuary:
        and thou and thy sons with thee
        shall bear the iniquity of your priesthood.
Numbers 18:2 And thy brethren also of the tribe of Levi, the tribe of thy father, bring thou with thee,
        that they may be joined unto thee, and minister unto thee:
        but thou and thy sons with thee shall minister before the tabernacle of witness.
Numbers 18:3 And they shall keep thy charge,
        and the charge of all the tabernacle: 
                only they shall not come nigh the vessels of the sanctuary and the altar,
                that neither they, nor ye also, die.
If you sow division by claiming that God commanded musical instruments in the School of the Word.
And God has not commanded any kind of music.

Then you have blasphemed the Holy Spirit Who wrote the warning against blasphemy.

Christ provided a way to guard ourselves: In Isaiah 58 during our REST day we are not to seek our own pleasure or speak our own words.

8.12.11 The Churches of Christ was never "unioned" with the Disciples of Christ / Christian Churches. Don't be duped.
The Disciples / Christian Churches were the first to say that GOD COMMANDED INSTRUMENTAL WORSHIP in the Old Testament and since He has not changed the Law, it is still acceptable to use instrumental music in what is described solely as "A School of the Word of Christ" as Jesus commanded when He sent preachers OUT.
  1. The New credo is that God commanded instrumental praise and WE will not be disobedient.  A small number of preachers have been duped into a fatal fall from grace: flattery will get you anything!
  2. If God did NOT command the use of Musical Instruments (to make noise) even when He abandoned them to worship the starry host BECAUSE of musical idolatry.
  3. Then Jeremiah 23 by the Spirit OF Christ (the only One) says that you have blasphemed The Holy Spirit.
Bob Williams in the Origins of Christian Worship teaches (along with most preachers) that the Christian Worship was derived from the Jews which until its destruction was at the temple;
"After its construction by Solomon, the temple in Jerusalem became the prominent focus of Jewish worship. It appears that the emphasis of worship in the temple was primarily on sacrificial offerings and praise to God through music.
All of the sowing of discord in the modern church is founded on total ignorance of the story of the Monarchy: God turned them over to worship the starry host. Why do YOU think so many are working so legalisticall hard to conform the church to the Monarchy.

The new Grace-Centered fad seems to confess that it is permissible to sin but Grace will make allowances: apparently even for sowing of discord and forcing owners out of their church family.

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Chris Seidman on the word Psallo in revelation to justify sowing discord: there can be no grace for those who speak without reading the Biblical text. Chris was one of the leaders reading off the script the NACC gave him. Anyone who says that Christ has not spoken inclusively and exclusively  about what it takes to be a disciple (Christian) who attends Bible Class (from the Bible) and how to MARK those who use music to "make the lambs dumb before the slaughter, simple has not read the text without the mental disturbance of performance preaching or singing.


7.12.11

Review of Truitt Adair's review of Rick Atchley.  Preachers are shooting blanks and keeping their career path safe as long as they agree that Amos (by the Spirit of Christ) condemned only their "attitude." And as long as they say that God commanded anything in the cursed king, kingdom, temple, sacrificial system at which they made exorcism noises never called music. The church is built upon the Prophets and Apostles all who radically condemn the the Civil-Military-Clergy complex as robbers, parasites and hypocrites (defined as speakers, singer and instrument players). There is NO historic scholar who did not agree that Amos was condemning the use of instruments in Samaria.

When Ahaz took the sacrifices and noise (never music) outside of Jerusalem he violated God's law which quarantined the horrors behind closed doors .  If you become a Levite singer outside of the Temple in Jerusalem the PATTERN is that God will send a plague upon you.

7.04.11

THIS IS THE DIRECT COMMAND: it cannot be understood by those who have tampered with the word--especially with an attack against people who are doing the best they can and don't know just how to resist people who lie, cheat and steal their church house.

2Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season,
        out of season; reprove, rebuke,
        exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
Logos, verbal noun of lego
        Opposite kata pathos
        Opposite music, poetry or rhetoric
        Opposite human reasoning
        Opposite Epagoge bringint in to one's aid, introduction
                Alurement, enticement, incantation, spell

Opposite Pathos  A. that which happens to a person or thing, incident, accident,
where this incident took place, unfortunate accident,
2. what one has experienced, good or bad, experience
II. of the soul, emotion, passion (“legō de pathē . . holōs hois hepetai hēdonē ē lupēArist.EN1105b21), “sophiē psukhēn pathōn aphaireitai
2Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine;
        but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers,
        having itching ears; [eager for combat, pleasure, to be wanton]

Sound is opposite to peri-sta^sis crowds standing round the house,
3. outward pomp and circumstance, tou biou p. Plb.3.98.2, cf. 31.26.3 ; truphē kai p. Antig.Car. ap. Ath.12.547f; huparkhōn en megalē p  “paison, truphēson, zēson: apothanein se dei
tru^phaō A. live softly, luxuriously, fare sumptuously
Paison, truphêson, zêson

Paison paizô  4. play on a musical instrument, h.Ap.206: c. acc., “Pan ho kalamophthogga paizōnAr.Ra.230; dance and sing, Pi. O.1.16. 5. play amorously, “pros allēlousX.Smp.9.2; “meta tinosLXX Ge.26.8; of mares, Arist.HA572a30.

ZOE is Lucifer or Eve the daughter of the Sun. She also is called the "beast, the mother of gods and men and the FEMALE instructing principle.

zaō I. to live, Hom., etc.; elegkhiste [cowardly] zōontōn vilest of living men, Od.; zōein kai horan phaos ēelioio Il.; rheia zōontes living at ease, of the gods,
Hēlios  II. as pr. n., Helios, the sun-god, Od.8.271, etc.; ton . Men.Sam. 108; hupo Dia Gēn Hēlion, in manumission-formula, POxy.48.6, 49.8 (i A.D.), IG9(1).412(Aetolia), IPE2.54.10(iii A.D.); [“Hēlios doulous eleutherous poieiArtem.2.36; identified with Apollo,
2. Hēliou astēr, of the planet Saturn, [666] v.l. in Pl.Epin.987c, cf. D.S.2.30,
2. part. truphōn as Adj., effeminate, luxurious,
hoi truphōntesspoiled pets in church, Id.Men.76b; en tais ekklēsiais [church] t. kai kolakeuesthai,

See 2 Peter 2 proof of instrumental music as the corruption.

2 Peter 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;

Musicians and actors are always called parasites.

Entrupo (g1792) en-troo-fah'-o; from 1722 and 5171; to revel in: - sporting selves.

Epithum-êtês , oi, ho,
A. one who longs for or desires, ergôn Hdt.7.6 ; [dogmatôn] sophias, Pl.R.475b, etc.; phusei polemou e.  1 Ep.Cor.10.6
2. . abs., lover, follower, X.Mem.1.2.60.
b. . one who lusts, LXX Nu.11.34.

1Corinthians 10:6 Now these things were our examples, [pattern]
        to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
1Corinthians 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them;
        as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

Acts 7:41 And they made a calf in those days,
        and offered sacrifice unto the idol,
        and rejoiced in the works of their own hands.

Euphrainō , Ep. euphr-, fut. Att.155.12, Pi.I.7(6).3
Pind. I. 6 Just as we mix the second bowl of wine when the men's symposium is flourishing, here is the second song of the Muses for Lampon's children and their athletic victories: first in Nemea, Zeus, in your honor they received the choicest of garlands,

SOPHIA A.cleverness or skill in handicraft and art, Hephaestus , in music and singing, in poetry

Sophistês , ou, ho, master of one's craft, adept, expert, of diviners, Hdt.2.49; of poets, meletan sophistais prosbalon Pi.I.5(4).28 , cf. Cratin.2; of musicians, sophistês . . parapaiôn chelun A.Fr.314 , cf. Eup.447, Pl.Com. 140; sophistêi Thrêiki (sc. Thamyris) E.Rh.924, cf. Ath.14.632c: with mo

2. sophist (in bad sense), quibbler, cheat, goeta one who howls out enchantments, a sorcerer, enchanter. Goes

Goês , A. sorcerer, wizard, Phoronis 2, Hdt.2.33 ,4.105 , Pl.R. 380d , Phld.Ir.p.29 W.; g. epôidos Ludias apo chthonos E.Ba.234 , cf. Hipp.1038 ; prob. f.l. for boêisi Hdt.7.191 .

The Jew (GraceCentered) had a covenant with death (chthonos): that was the worship condemned by Amos.
ENCHANTMENTS

Epôid-os , on, epaidô b. Subst., enchanter, e. kai goês E.Hipp. 1038 (but goês e. Ba.234 ): c. gen., a charm for or against, 2. Pass., sung to music, phônai Plu.2.622d ; fit for singing, poiêtikên e. parechein M.6.16 . 1. epôidos , , Sch.metr. Pi.O.4 ( ho , Gal.UP17.3, dub. in D.H.Comp.19), epode, part of a lyric ode sung after the strophe and antistrophe, ib.26, Gal. l.c., Sch.metr. Pi.l.c., etc. 2. epôidos , ho , verse or passage returning at intervals, in Alcaics and Sapphics [a Lesbian], D.H.Comp.19 ; chorus, burden, refrain, Ph. 1.312 : metaph., ho koinos hapasês adoleschias e. the 'old story',
HERE IS PROOF THAT YOU WILL NOT ENDURE SOUND DOCTRINE:

2Timothy 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth,
        and shall be turned unto fables.
FABLES TO FOOL: Fābŭla , ae, f. fari,
B.  Of particular kinds of poetry.
1.  Most freq., a dramatic poem, drama, play (syn.: “ludus, cantus, actio, etc.): in full, fabula scaenica,Amm. 28, 1, 4; “or, theatralis,id. 14, 6, 20: “fabula ad actum scenarum composita,”fabulam, quae versatur in tragoediis atque carminibus non a veritate modo
FABLES TO FOOL:  Cantus , ūs, m. id., I. the production of melodious sound, a musical utterance or expression, either with voice or instrument; hence, song, singing, playing,
1. With the voice, a singing, song; in full, cantus vocum, Cic. Rosc. Am. 46, 134: “fit etiam saepe vocum gravitate et cantibus ut pellantur animi, etc.,
2. With instruments, a playing, music: “citharae,horribili stridebat tibia cantu,Cat. 64, 264: “querulae tibiae,  “lyrae, Plin. 34, 8, 19, § 72: “tibicine

FABLES TO FOOL:   Scaenĭcus (scen- ), a, um, adj., = skēnikos,
I. of or belonging to the stage, scenic, dramatic, theatrical (class.).
stage-plays, theatrical representations, “fabula,a drama, Amm. 28, 1, 4: organa,Suet. Ner. 44: “coronae,id. ib. 53: “habitus,id. ib. 38: gestus,Cic. de Or. 3, 59, 220: “modulatio,Quint. 11, 3, 57:
1. scaē-nĭcus , i, m., a player, actor, Cic. Off. 1, 31, 114: “orator plurimum aberit a scaenico 2. scaenĭca , ae, f., a female player, an actress,

THE MOST POWERFUL WEAPON TO FOOL:
Orgănum , i, n., = organon,Of musical instruments, a pipe, Quint. 11, 3, 20; 9, 4, 10; Juv. 6, 3, 80; Vulg. Gen. 4, 21; id. 2 Par. 34, 12 et saep. an organ, water-organ: “organa hydraulica,Suet. Ner. 41: aquatica, Mythogr. Lat. 3, 12.—Of a church-organ, Cass. Expos. in Psa. 150; Aug. Enarr. in Psa. 150, n. 7.—  B. Transf.: organum oris, the tongue of a man, Prud. steph
2Timothy 4:5 But watch [nēphō to be sober, drink no wine] thou in all things, endure afflictions,
        do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

Humn-eō , Ep. humneiō Hes.Op.2; Ep.3pl. II. Tell over and over again, harp upon, repeat, recite,; humnousi ; ton nomon humnein recite the form of the law, Id.Lg.871a:

6.19.11

See 1 Corinthians 14 with some real word definition which FORBIDS speaking in tongues where the "speaking" word in this sense outlaws gibbering (praise songs), singing, playing instruments or drama.  When you speak the LOGOS the word is the opposite of poetry or music. The object is to Teach and Admonish so we simple minds understand that you dont play instruments when TEACHING with the Word (only) of Christ (only). Peter identified that as the Prophets and Apostles who left a memory of Christ making the prophecies more perfect.

6.26.11 All of the Grace-Centered (aka NACC) focus is to say that:
  1. God commanded instrumental praise: that applies to this congregation.
  2. Christ in all of the Prophets say that God did NOT command anything connected to the cursed monarchy. Stephen was murdered for saying that Israel lost it when God turned them over to worship the starry host BECAUSE of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. I have added some quick notes on Isaiah 66 where Christ DENIES that Grace permits music

    Isaiah Chapter 66 with additional notes on Acts 7 which appears to be off-limits to all of the Grace Based Theology.

  3. Christ says in Jeremiah 23 that if you claim that God said something He did not say you are guilty of blasphemy.
  4. Blasphemy against the Spirit (of Christ in the Prophets and Apostles) is not redeemable.
  5. Anathema is to set self or talent up as a votive offering in the temple: it has been dedicated to God which means dedicated to being burned with fire.
          See Anathema and Musical Worship: the Mark.

Mark 9 the Worm that Dieth Not.
In Greek all of the sacrificial musicians were called "parasites."  It seems that the worms or maggots which will not die are
Kolax , a^kos, ho,
A. flatterer, fawner, Ar.Pax756, Lys.28.4, Pl.Phdr. 240b, etc.; “tukhēs kolakesAntipho Soph.65; “pantes hoi k. thētikoi kai hoi tapeinoi k.Arist.EN1125a1, cf. 1108a29, Thphr.Char.2.1; parasite, Eup.159.1, Antisth. ap. D.L.6.4.
2. in later Gr., = Att. goēs, Moer. p.113 P.
II. lisping pronunciation of korax, Ar.V.45.
The Fire That Consumes The Fire starter or Musical Minister(ess) for Apollo, Abaddon, Apollyon

6.03.11   Malachi 3 defines music as marks of Sorcerers when Messiah came.
                 Malachi 4 defines the "baptism" of Spirit (Wind) and Fire for this Viper Race.

Norton etal deny that God said anything against instruments. Click Below

5.28.11  I have noticed that all of those spreading hate against those who will not submit to what they call "musical worship" all, like vampires, suck from a few people who have collected all of the "instrument" verses intending to say that if David sang in his bed, or while attacking the enemy, this is God-given authority to do the same thing when the church assembles as a school of the word (only). This was the same as the Qahal, synagogue or Church of Christ in the wilderness which never changed: even the Lord's Supper was a teaching and confessing act.

Robert Ballad The Case for Instrumental Music.  This is another book which jumbles all of the "instrumental" passage trying to prove that Israel's being turned over to worship the starry host is a new PATTERN for the School of The Word where disciples meet to be taught what Jesus commanded to be taught.
Have you wondered why there are so many striving to become doctors of the law when Jesus said they took away the key to knowledge? Christ marked them as rhetoricians, singers and instrument players.

In Numbers 10 the loud instrumental noise was outlawed because the Godly people wanted to hear God's Word. This is the alarm or triumph over word which Judas and the doctors of the law would try to do to Jesus. The word includes making loud noise on wind instruments.

Psalm 41 says that Judas would not triumph over Jesus: that job was left for the theologians of the day who won the battle for three days and three nights. When they beat him to the bones with REEDS? Those were the WIND INSTRUMENTS they used as tools of sorcery. The Judas Bag was for "carrying the mouthpieces of wind instruments."

Did the Jews really attack Jesus with their flute? Yes: in prophecy Psalm 41,

The following pictures have been posted as text in our review of Robert Ballard: you can click for the real literature.


5.12.11 I finally got a few minutes to waste: Lurching Larry stole my good posts so I had to redo something.

Buff the Reformer promotes Leroy Garrett is his way of attacking the "a cappella church of Christ."

Leroy misquotes Scripture, Buff misquotes Leroy, both are absolutely wrong and have no trouble attributing something to the Campbells which is just the opposite of truth.

http://www.piney.com/Buff.Reformer.Grace.Centered.Magazine.html

The lack of manly response to a rebuttal is pretty graceless.


4.30.11 John T. Willis 2. "Sing" is vocal; "make melody" is instrumental. Psalms 33:2-3; 144:9; 149:1, 3 make this crystal clear. Amos 5:23 further verifies this reality.  People forget that God turned Israel over to worship the starry host because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. The Levites were under the KING and the COMMANDERS of the army: they made war and not worship. We will examine these passages in context.

Based on 2 Chronicles 19 which is Hezekiah's Plague-Stopping animal sacrifices where the warrior Levites made instrumental noise, ALL of those deliberately sowing discoord say that this is God COMMANDING USE to use instrumental praise in the collective assembly.  However, Christ in the prophets agrees that God never commanded sacrifices or Burnt offerings. The Burnt Goats were offered to appease Israel and not for worship. This practice replaced the burning of humans in chapter 28 and again in 2 Chronicles 33.  Chapter 33 identifies the worship to which God had abandoned Israel BECAUSE of musical idolatry as WITCHCRAFT or SORCERY.  If you are being subdued by musical performers then you are practicing witchcraft or Sorcery.  The Lake of Fire or "hell" was prepared for a people prepared by being made dumb before the slaughter.

4.15.11 While attacking the non-instrumental position and the right of God to Command, example and infer His will, it seems prophetic that they advertise a prophet predicting that the world will end May 21--exactly. Their prophet relies heavily on 2 Peter 3 which like chapter 1 and 2 outlaws private interpretation or further expounding and marks as false teachers those who go beyond the record.  All three chapters MARK the rhetoricians, singers, instrument players and actors as THE method the evil one used to deceive the church: group or COMMUNAL music which is not the Word of Christ was the well known method of Satan.  2 Peter 3: End Time Mockers. This is a quick review of chapter 3 in response to their prophetic skills.

4.09.11 2 Chronicles 33 and musical witchcraft.
There is no redemption in the Bible and contemporaneous literature because usingg music when Jesus promised that we could rest and LEARN OF HIM is visible and audible proof that people have a low, contemptuous  understanding of the nature of God as pure, holy or wholly Spirit Who WILL NOT be worshipped by the works of human hands or the arts and crafts of God.


4,03,11 Update on Jay Guinn and the nature of the Kingdom. What Jay and the "progressives" points directly to the Scribes and Pharisees whom Jesus called hypocrites and named in Ezekiel 33 self-speakers, singers and instrument players. Their job was to violently take over the Kingdom by violent means. Just defining words points directly to all of the performing artists who intend to "make the voice of the Victim silent."

There are NO performing roles in A Church of Christ: all rhetoric, performance singing with or without instruments is define as the role of the Hypocrite.  Job and most recorded history defines such theatrical performance as the role of the effeminate and promises that they will die with a plague.  Click to see that Job agrees with many Biblical and other contemporaneous literature that once you have been "initiated" into this role you are trapped and can never repent. We have added Job's comments.  All rhetoric and musical performers make it certain that you will never hear the inspired words defined.

4.01.11 Matthew 11 pronounces woes upon the rhetoricians, singers and instrument players. They take the kingdom (congregation) by force which in the Bible and Greek literature points to the Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites identified by Christ as rhetoricians, singers and instrument players: this was the best example the Spirit of Christ could find to mark the foolish who had no intention of teaching the Word of Christ, an an audience which had no intention of obeying.

The effeminate priests of Dionysus shook the thyrus or bundle of reeds. In addition, the reed was vital in the seductive process of the serpent: 0.Idiot

Behold! the Holy Idiot, lost within 
A private world. He'll have the chance to win 
New freedom from confining rules. 
Rejoice The madness! For it brings another choice. 
Now let the Saturnalia begin

When the time comes, as it always does, when the old rules, conceptual structures, prejudices and beliefs are no longer adequate to the challenges at hand, then a Divine Maniac is needed. He or she lives in a private world, and so is not bound by the shared conventions, preconceptions or norms of the society. The Gods - or Chance - select the Idiot who will become the savior who will transform society. He is elevated to King for a short time (for only so much madness can be tolerated), and must undergo many transformations before, with luck, he rejuvenates the world. [Second Incarnation]

It is appropriate that 0.Idiot leads the trumps for, according to Cartari (Imagini degli Dei, 1647), Bacchus invented the "triumph" in the form of the wild processions of maenads, panthers and other creatures, which he led (Williams 31). Indeed, Latin triumphus or triumpus comes from Etruscan, which got the word from Greek thriambos, a hymn to Bacchus (Bonfante, p. 17). Our image is based on the famous Townley Vase (2nd cent. BCE), which depicts a Bacchanalian triumph.

What men or gods are these? What maidens loath? What mad pursuit? What struggle to escape? What pipes and timbrels? What wild ecstasy? - Keats, "Ode to a Grecian Urn

Psalm 41 says that Judas will not TRIUMPH over Jesus Christ which is the very "vocal and instrumental rejoicing" Christ outlawed for the synagogue or Church of Christ in the wilderness and He never changed His Mind.
It is popular to lift verses from Galatians out of context to AUTHORIZE the use of instruments in the so-called worship services.  In addition they brand those who oppose the introduction of instruments into a peaceable Church of Christ as legalist: one of the RACA WORDS.

Galatians 5 on the other hand brands the hypocritic arts and crafts--rhetoric, singing, playing, acting--as witchcraft. The Grace-Focused concept which gives them permission to sow discord is in fact consistent with branding all religious music as sorcery or witchcraft and the "performers" as gender-compromised.

Galatians 5 Music is Witchcraft and Recrucifies Christ
Not surprising, when people deny that the prophets by Christ and the prophecies made more perfect by Jesus of Nazareth, God sends them strong delusions and they are forced to believe and promote their own lies.  The MARK of such delusions is all of the performing arts intending to silence the voice of the Victim.

Strong Delusions produces lying wonders.

See Matthew 28 warning about Lying Wonders

Speaking where the Bible speaks is the only task of the ekklesia or Church of Christ.  Lifting words out of context fails to understand that the Greeks and others made human qualities into gods and goddesses. The task of God through the prophets and apostles (never kings or priests) needed to dethrone these "gods and goddesses" so that baptized believers could worship the Creator of al things and who needs nothing provided by these anti-God religious performers who do hard, self-directed work thinking that if they are pleasured then the gods must be appeased and pleasured. A Grace-centered theology and worship--without knowing it perhaps--intends to restore that which Jesus was equipped by God the Father to cast down.

This paper reviews some of the credo of the Grace Centered Magazine.  Their forums are open to various groups including the Church of Christ. However, a key moderator is not connected to the Church of Christ and snips out any Biblical and historical views which universally repudiate all of the paganism which used legalistic means such as music believing that they can enhance the views of Christ in the prophets and Jesus of Nazareth through the Apostles who left a written memory of their eye-- and ear--witness of Jesus Christ Who validated HIS teachings by supernatural signs which could not be repudiated.

To the contrary, the newly discovered "grace" means that the visions and voices of latter day "prophets" are consistent with the postmodern views of the "missional" concept which includes apostles and prophets to reveal an up to date Bible.  Flaunting and imposing creeds and imposed practices contrary to the views of those who feed them, this new "grace" gives them permission to impose instruments and deliberately sow discord: both God says He hates.

Alexander Campbell speaks for all historic scholarship prior to the rise of witchcraft in the Great Awakenings including Cane Ridge, Kentucky, Bourbon County.
The Prophets had received the Spirit by measure. By measure he was given to the Prophets--not by measure to the Son.
Note: The prophets speak of the lying pen of the Scribes and Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites which Christ the Spirit identified as preachers who speak out of their own imagination, singers and instrument players.  Jesus of Nazareth was made to be both Lord and Christ to make the godly prophets more certain: that is the only resource, says Peter, can make the Day Star arise in our heart and help us MARK those who private interpret or further expound.
They spoke not always, and not only, the words of God; but, as John explains the phrase in the preceding verse, Jesus spoke only and always the words of God. The Spirit of the context is this: "Jesus whom God has sent speaks the words of God; for God gives not the Spirit by measure to him." "To him" is a supplement, but a necessary one; else God always gives the Spirit without measure.

Paul meant such a public and sensible exhibition of it as would commend the honesty and sincerity of the heart to every man's conscience,
by "a manifestation of the Spirit" he meant such an exhibition of his presence and residence in the heart,
as would convince the understanding of all that these spiritual men,
        who professed to have received the Holy Spirit himself,
        did in truth possess that divine agent.
From all which, may it not be inferred that a person in the apostolic age, professing
        to have received the gift of the Holy Spirit, or the Holy Spirit himself,
        without a manifestation of it; or who was unable to display
        it by some unequivocal exhibition of it,
       
would have been considered either a knave or a simpleton?

John Calvin. 1.The fanatics wrongly appeal to the Holy Spirit

Those who, rejecting Scripture, imagine that they have some peculiar way of penetrating to God, are to be deemed not so much under the influence of error as madness. For certain giddy men have lately appeared, who, while they make a great display of the superiority of the Spirit,

reject all reading of the Scriptures themselves, and deride the simplicity of those who only delight in what they call the dead and deadly letter.
But I wish they would tell me
what spirit it is whose inspiration raises them to such a sublime height that they dare despise the doctrine of Scripture as mean and childish.

3.25.11 One of the absolutes of those who deliberately sow musical discord always for their own glory or profit work really hard to claim that where God has not commanded THEY have the authority to command and impose and YOU must obey without opposition or "find another church."

The also insist that God has not said anything against musical or performance "worship" which is useful to attract the wandering souls and pay off the imposed debt.

They are defined as the MYTHOS or crooked race locked into any new fad. They claim the power to appease their "god" and put more power into their acts or works of worship.

When you contrive to use Grace as a way to impose on others that which is outlawed for the assembly God sends strong delusions that you believe your own lie.  Grace personified in Jesus of Nazareth teaches us to DENY that which the GRACE fad insists on imposing.


Logos, verbal noun of lego
        Opposite kata pathos
        Opposite music, poetry or rhetoric
        Opposite human reasoning
        Opposite Epagoge bringint in to one's aid, introduction
                Alurement, enticement, incantation, spell

-Logos verbal noun of legō  Opposite. muthos,
Muthos
2. fiction (Opposite. logos, historic truth), Pi.O.1.29 (pl.), N.7.23 (pl.), Pl.Phd.61b, Prt.320c, 324d, etc.
3. generally, fiction, “m. idioiPhld.Po.5.5; legend, myth, Hdt.2.45, Pl.R.330d, Lg. 636c, etc.; “ho peri theōn m.Epicur.Ep.3p.65U.; “tous m. tous epikhōrious gegraphen
2. public speech, “m. andressi melēseiOd.1.358; “muthoisin skolioisHes.Op.194;  to be skilled in speech,
A muthosin skoliois is a Crooked Myth:

Acts 2:40 And with many other words he testified, and exhorted them, saying,
        Save yourselves from this crooked generation.
Muthos is:
5.
plot of a comedy or tragedy, Id.Po.1449b5, 1450a4, 1451a16.
2. fiction (
Opposite logos, historic truth), Pi.O.1.29 (pl.), N.7.23 (pl.), Pl.Phd.61b, Prt.320c, 324d, etc

Pind. O. 1 Water is best, and gold, like a blazing fire in the night, stands out supreme of all lordly wealth. But if, my heart, you wish to sing of contests, [5] look no further for any star warmer than the sun, shining by day through the lonely sky, and let us not proclaim any contest greater than Olympia.
        From there glorious song enfolds the wisdom of poets,
        so that they loudly sing [10] the son of Cronus,
        when they arrive at the rich and blessed hearth of Hieron,
        who wields the scepter of law in Sicily of many flocks,
        reaping every excellence at its peak,
        and is glorified [15] by the choicest music,
        which we men often play around his hospitable table.
Come, take the Dorian lyre down from its peg,
        if the splendor of Pisa and of
        Pherenicus placed your mind under the influence of sweetest thoughts..
Kharis : the foregoing personified, as wife of Hephaestus, Il. 18.382.—Pl., Kharites, the Graces, handmaids of Aphrodīte (Zoe),
kharis a^, h(, gen. khari^tos: acc. kharin i_ in arsi, Il.5.874], etc.; also A. kharita” 
I. in objective sense, outward grace or fauour, beauty, prop. of persons
pleistē de kh. kata metron iousēs glōssēs] Hes.Op.720; “tai Diōnusou sun boēlata kharites dithurambōPi.O.13.19; “ tōn logōn kh.D.4.38, cf. D.H. Comp.23; “muthoi plēthomenoi kharitōn
4. love-charm, philtre, b. grant made in legal form,
2. esp. in erotic sense, of favours granted (v. “kharizomai” meaning 2. in attic to gratify or indulge a humour or passion, like Lat. indulgere, thumōi Soph.; glōssēi Eur.; etc.
in full, “kharites aphrodisiōn erōtōnPi.Fr.128, cf. Pl.Phdr.254a, al.
[241d] “Just as the wolf loves the lamb, so the lover adores his beloved.” There it is, Phaedrus! Do not listen to me any longer; let my speech end here.
lukos Wolf. hōs lukoi arn' agapōsin, of treacherous or unnatural love, Poet. ap. Pl.Phdr.241d; lukou bion zēn, i. e. live by rapine,
VI. nickname of paiderastai, AP12.250 (Strat.), cf. Pl.Phdr. 241d.

Phaedrus
But I thought you were in the middle of it, and would say as much about the non-lover as you have said about the lover, to set forth all his good points and show that he ought to be favored. So now, Socrates, why do you stop?

Plat. Phaedrus 254a prickings of yearning, the horse that is obedient the charioteer, constrained then as always by modesty, controls himself and does not leap upon the beloved; but the other no longer heeds the pricks or the whip of the charioteer, but springs wildly forward, causing all possible trouble to his mate and to the charioteer, and forcing them to approach the beloved and propose the joys of love. And they at first pull back indignantly and
Yes, there are many marvels,
        and yet I suppose the speech of mortals beyond the true account can be deceptive,
        stories adorned with embroidered lies;
Thauma is a lying wonder:
HH 4 80 But while he was singing of all these, his heart was bent on other matters. And he took the hollow lyre and laid it in his sacred cradle, [65] and sprang from the sweet-smelling hall to a watch-place, pondering sheer trickery in his heart —deeds such as knavish folk pursue in the dark night-time; for he longed to taste flesh.
Hermes makes the cattle walk backwards way, so that they seem to be going towards the meadow instead of leaving it (cp. 1. 345); he himself walks in the normal manner, relying on his sandals as a disguise.
[30] and Grace, who fashions all gentle things for men,
        confers esteem and often contrives to make believable the unbelievable.
        But the days to come are the wisest witnesses

The Deipnosophists of Athenaeus of Naucratis Book XIII: Concerning Women

It is a fact that even in ancient times they loved boys, as Ariston has said, whence it came about that those who were loved were called "paidika." For in truth, as Clearchus says in the first book of his Love Stories, quoting Lycophronides: "Neither in boy, nor in gilded maid, nor in deep-bosomed matron is the countenance fair if it be not modest. For it is modesty that sows the seed of beauty's flower." And Aristotle also has said that lovers look to no other part of their favourite's body than the eyes, in which dwells modesty.

"O thou of fair countenance, Galateia, with golden curls and voice that charms, a beauty among the Loves!" Blind this praise is, and nothing like that which Ibycus utters: "Euryalus, scion of the blue-eyed Graces...darling of the fair-haired Muses, thee did Cypris and Persuasion of the tender eyes rear amid the flowers of the rose." And so Phrynichus said of Troilus: "There shines upon his crimson cheeks the light of love...

Theophrastus, in hs essay On Love, quotes the tragic poet Chaeremon as saying
        that just as wine is mixed to suit the character of the drinkers,
        so also is the emotion inspired by Eros;
        when he comes in moderation, he is gracious,
        but when he comes too intensely and puts men to utter confusion, he is most cruel...
        Wherefore this poet, aptly distinguishing the influences of Eros,
        says: "With two arrows (verily) from the Graces he stretches his bow,
        the one bringing a happy lot, the other, utter confounding of life."
Now this same poet speaks of lovers in the play entitled The Wounded Man as follows: "
        Who denies that lovers live at hard labour?
        Why, in the first place, they must ever be on the war-path,
        their bodies must be able to endure toil to the utmost,
        and they must be most patient in pursuing their desire;
        inventive, impulsive, eager, skilfully managing the unmanageable, in utter misery while they live!"
And Theophilus in He Liked to Play the Flute: "Who says that lovers have no sense? Surely, it must be somebody whose make-up is stupid. For if one take away from life its pleasures, there's nothing else left to do but die. Take my own case; in loving a harp-girl, a little maid, haven't I sense, in the gods' name? In beauty beautiful, in stature stately, in art clever; just to look at her is pleasanter than working for you all the time when you have the price of admission."


In truth, Scripture never defines worship other than listening to Christ through the Word which is INHERENT in the meaning of Christian or Disciple. Students ask but never tell or enhance God's Word.

And it ALWAYS provides that any person using external means of rhetoric, singing, playing instruments, acting or using of images is EXCLUDED from the assembly.

Those who are LOGOS centerd are rational or spiritual can click on the links for their own edification.

Reasonable or spiritual worship includes the method of SPEAK and the resources of the LOGOS or Word of God taught through the prophets by Christ and fulfilled by Jesus of Nazareth whom God made to be both Lord and Christ: the son never speaks on His own as the approved. Reasonable worship is defined as EXCLUSIVE of moralizing or sermonizing or versifying by those Jesus defined as Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites defined as rhetoricians, singers and instrument players.


Romans 12:1-2: Reasonable Worship uses the Word and is the opposite of poetry or music.

If the scholars tell you otherwise then know that Jesus said that doctors of the law take away the key to knowledge. Paul's definition of rational or spiritual worship absolutely is a DIRECT COMMAND against any of the "external means' which defines witchcraft or sorcery.

Paul went through the same process in Ephesians 4 to guarantee the ekklesia or school of
Christ in Ephesians 4.

http://www.piney.com/Ephesians.4.Unity.in.Diversity.html

The MYTHOS or crooked race will not be able to accept that God is God and they are not.


To Larry and The Lively Stoned: the pronounce anathema on ME: can pronouncing a RACA curse on people be redeemed?

Throughout the Bible musical instruments are the MARK that God has removed His grace: the speakers, singers and instrument players in Revelation 18 are called sorcerers: Anathema meaning to be predestinated to the Lake of fire. 

THE CURSE FOR CALLING FOR ANATHEMA ON PEOPLE:
Anathema and Musical Worship

Anathema is predestinated to "that crooked race" or "the race of vipers."  They live by MYTHOS out of the human imagination and by necessity are never quite up to date with the changing culture. All ceremonial legalism as the "laded burden" and the "burden laders" are to be cast alive into the lake of fire.

Anathema is predestinated to "that crooked race" or "the race of vipers."  They live by MYTHOS out of the human imagination and by necessity are never quite up to date with the changing culture. All ceremonial legalism as the "laded burden" and the "burden laders" are to be cast alive into the lake of fire. By denying that God Commands and examples godly human conduct, their inference is that they can follow the rabbit trail of mysticism.

3.20.l1. God abandoned Israel to the worship of the starry host because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai: the tribe of Levi was cursed by Jacob (Genesis 49) and he warned us NOT to attend their assemblies or join in their covenant. The gospel is to give REST from the laded burdens (religious mind-altering music). To preach the patternism of the Levites and their exorcism noise making (never called music) while they burned NOT COMMANDED goats is to preach "another gospel" based on claiming guidance from "a" spirit. This false "gospel" claims that speakers, singers, instrument players and actors ENHANCE or AID their laded burden as they claim to be a physical temple made with human hands."  Doing this at Mount Sinai was a sin beyond redemption. When you claim to be an offering in a house when God only looks at the PLACE of our human spirit, you cannot be redeemed and you must be burned.  Christ defines this in Isaiah 30 and John defines it in Revelation 18:

Gal. 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you,
        let him be accursed.
331. anathema, an-ath´-em-ah; from 394; a (religious) ban or (concretely) excommunicated (thing or person): — accused, anathema, curse, x great.
1) a thing set up or laid by in order to be kept
a) specifically, an offering resulting from a vow, which after being consecrated to a god was hung upon the walls or columns of the temple, or put in some other conspicuous place
2) a thing devoted to God without hope of being redeemed, and if an animal, to be slain; therefore a person or thing doomed to destruction
a) a curse
b) a man accursed, devoted to the direst of woes

g331.Anathema

Luke 21:5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
Luke 21:6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Leviticus 27:28 Notwithstanding no devoted thing, that a man shall devote unto the LORD of all that he hath, both of man and beast, and of the field of his possession, shall be sold or redeemed: every devoted thing is most holy unto the LORD.
Leviticus 27:29 None devoted, which shall be devoted of men, shall be redeemed; but shall surely be put to death.

Joshua 6:16 And it came to pass at the seventh time, when the priests blew with the trumpets, Joshua said unto the people, Shout; for the LORD hath given you the city.
Joshua 6:17 And the city shall be accursed,
        even it, and all that are therein, to the LORD:
       only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent.

Deuteronomy 7:25 The graven images of their gods shall ye burn with fire: thou shalt not desire the silver or gold that is on them, nor take it unto thee, lest thou be snared therein: for it is an abomination to the LORD thy God.
Deuteronomy 7:26 Neither shalt thou bring an abomination into thine house, lest thou be a cursed (anathema) thing like it: but thou shalt utterly detest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it is a cursed thing.

Acts 23:14 And they came to the chief priests and elders, and said, We have bound ourselves under a great curse, that we will eat nothing until we have slain Paul.
Acts 23:15 Now therefore ye with the council signify to the chief captain that he bring him down unto you to morrow, as though ye would enquire something more perfectly concerning him: and we, or ever he come near, are ready to kill him.


Romans 9:1  I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
Romans 9:2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
Romans 9:3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:


1Corinthians 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.
1Corinthians 16:23 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.


Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach unto you any gospel other than that which we preached unto you, let him be anathema.

-Anathêma   (anatithēmi) A. that which is set up: hence, like agalma, votive offering set up in a temple, Hdt.1.14,92, S.Ant.286, etc.; “a. ek leitourgiōnLys.26.4. 

leitourg-ia , h(, earlier Att. lēt- IG22.1140.14 (386 B.C.):—at Athens, and elsewhere (e.g. Siphnos, Isoc.19.36; Mitylene, Antipho 5.77),
III. public service of the gods , “hai pros tous theous l.Arist.Pol.1330a13; “hai tōn theōn therapeiai kai l.D.S.1.21, cf. UPZ17.17 (ii B.C.), PTeb.302.30 (i A.D.), etc.; the service or ministry of priests, LXX Nu.8.25, Ev.Luc.1.23.

A "Lying Wonder" is also a religious service offered to a god claiming the power to appease or please.
2. used by Hom. only in first sense of agalma, delight, ornament,molpē t' orkhēstus te: ta gar t' anathēmata daitosOd.1.152, cf. 21.430, IG14.1390; tois tekousin anathēma biotou, of children, E.Fr.518, cf. Pl.Hp.Mi.364b; to help deserving poverty is “basilikou ploutou a. kai kataskeuasma lamprotatonD.H.19.14.

3. of a slave in a temple, a. poleōs devoted to this service by the city, E.Ion310.—Cf. anathema.

Genesis 49:6 O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly,
         mine honour, be not thou united: for in their anger they slew a man,
         and in their selfwill they digged down a wall.
Genesis 49:7 Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce; and their wrath, for it was cruel:
         I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel.


-Agalma , atos, to/, acc. to Hsch. pan eph' tis agalletai,
A. glory, delight, honour, Il.4.144, etc.; kephalaisin andrōn agalmata (sc. lophoi) Alc.15; khōras a., of an ode, Pi.N.3.13, cf. 8.16;
2. pleasing gift, esp. for the gods, a. theōnOd.8.509, of a bull adorned for sacrifice, ib.3.438; of a tripod, Hdt.5.60, al.; generally, = anathēma, IG1.37312a, etc.; “Kharēs eimi . . a. tou ApollōnosGDI5507 (Miletus); “anthēken a.Simon.155; so, Hekatēs a . . . kuōn, because sacred to her, E.Fr.968, = Ar.Fr.594a; a. Aida, of a tombstone, Pi.N.10.67.

-Molp-ē , h(, (melpō)
NOTE: the word Psallo NEVER means "melody in a tuneful sense" at any time or place in recorded history.
Melpō , Il.1.474, let it sound, Id.Ion881 (lyr.): c. dat. instrum., m. aulō play on . .
sing to the lyre or harp, “meta de sphin emelpeto theios aoidos, phormizōnOd.4.17, cf. 13.27; “melpeo kai kitharizeh.Merc. 476; Melpomenos, epith. of Dionysus at Athens, Paus.1.2.5;

Melos THE word for musical melody. B. esp. musical member, phrase: hence, song, strain 2. music to which a song is set, tune 3. melody of an instrument, “phormigx d' au phtheggoith' hieron m. ēde kai aulos
A. dance or rhythmic movement with song, Od. 6.101, Il.18.606.
2. more freq. song, 1.472; “molpēs te glukerēs kai amumonos orkhēthmoio13.637; “molpē t' orkhēstus teOd.1.152, cf. Hes.Th.69, Sapph.Supp.25.5, Pi.O.10.84,6.97 (pl.), A.Ag.106 (lyr.), etc.: Com. in lyr., “molpa klaggaMnesim.4.57 (anap.): metaph., ou m. suriggos (flute) ekhōn the note, S.Ph.212 (lyr.): also in late Prose, as Luc.Salt.23.


Apollo
in Revelation is Abaddon or Apollyon and the muses are the Locusts in John's coded message.
The Mythos or Charis (Grace-centered) race of people marked by ceremonial legalism, profiteering and holding people captive with music or mythos which is IN FACT magic or sorcery because it disables the rational or mental mind so that "it makes the lambs dumb before the throne." In the Bible and many historical documents. The Purpose Driven "crooked race" is marked by paiderast-ēs whether literal or virtual.
The Word or Logos-based believers are rational meaning spiritual and never try to invent or compose something to enhance or aid the Word of Christ (the Logos) specificially in the Prophets and Apostles. All churches sought to be Apostolic which is defined by the "Commands, examples and inferences" required before WE impose some additional ACT on other people.
The Logos or Word of Christ centered having no other purpose than to teach that which has been taught as the masculine response to a patriarchal god.
Gal. 1:3 Grace be to you and peace
        from God the Father,
         and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
Gal. 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins,
        that he might deliver us from this present evil world,
        according to the √ of God and our Father:

Jesus will not pray for the World: that is Cosmos or Kosmos and speaks to the people who connect music to the worship of the physical world which needs adorning.

Throughout the Bible musical instruments are the MARK that God has removed His grace: the speakers, singers and instrument players in Revelation 18 are called sorcerers: Anathema meaning to be predestinated to the Lake of fire.

Jesus will not pray for the World: that is Cosmos or Kosmos and speaks to the people who connect music to the worship of the physical world which needs adorning.

For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me;

and they have received them,
and have known surely that I came out from thee,
and they have believed that thou didst send me. John 17:8

Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. Ac.13:46

I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. John 17:9

Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on ME through THEIR WORD; John 17:20

WHO ARE THOSE "OF THE WORLD?"

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Titus 2:12 Teaching us that,
        denying ungodliness and WORLDY lusts,
        we should live soberly, righteously, and godly,
        in this present world;
kosmos ,  metaph., of ornaments of speech, such as epithets, Id.9.9 (pl.), Arist.Rh.1408a14, Po.1457b2, 1458a33; hadumelē k. keladeinpraise, Pi.O.11 (10).13 (s.v.l.).
Pind. O. 11 My tongue wants to foster such themes; [10] but it is by the gift of a god that a man flourishes with a skillful mind, as with anything else. For the present rest assured, Hagesidamus son of Archestratus: for the sake of your boxing victory,
        I shall loudly sing a sweet song, an adornment for your garland of golden olive,
        [15] while I honor the race of the Western Locrians.
There, Muses, join in the victory-song; I shall pledge my word to you that we will find there a race that does not repel the stranger, or is inexperienced in fine deeds, but one that is wise and warlike too.
Kosmo-krator epith. of ouranos, Orph.H.4.3; “Zeus Mitras Hēlios k. Dam.Pr.131; hoi k. tou skotous toutou the cosmic rulers of this sinful world, Ep.Eph.6.12; “hoi k. hoi ta hupo selēnēn stoikheia dioikountes
3. Astrol., ruler of the kosmos
        -Helios  II. as pr. n., Helios, the sun-god, Od.8.271, etc.; ton . Men.Sam. 108; hupo Dia Gēn Hēlion, in manumission-formula, POxy.48.6, 49.8 (i A.D.), IG9(1).412IPE2.54.10(iii A.D.); [“Hēlios doulous eleutherous poieiArtem.2.36; identified with Apollo, Carm.Pop.12, E.Fr.781.11; with Dionysus, D.Chr.31.11, etc.
2. Hēliou astēr , of the planet Saturn, v.l. in Pl.Epin.987c, cf. D.S.2.30, Theo Sm. p.130H. (I.-E. sāwelios, cf. Cret. abelios, Lith. sáulė, Lat. sōl.

This Judas bag is from the Greek:

Glosokomon (g1101) gloce-sok'-om-on; from 1100 (speaking in tongues) and the base of 2889; prop. a case to keep mouthpieces of wind-instruments in, i.e. (by extens.) a casket or (spec.) purse: - bag.

It is made up of two words:

1. Glossa (from Strong's g1100) means "speaking in tongues" especially an unacquired one.

2. Kosmos (g2889) means the "orderly arrangement" or the "adorning" world. this is derived from (g2864 or Komizo which means "to carry off."

Kosmos (g2889) kos'-mos; prob. from the base of 2865; orderly arrangement, i.e. decoration; by impl. the world (in a wide or narrow sense, includ. its inhab., lit. or fig. [mor.]): - adorning, world.

WE DO NOT DO BATTLE WITH THE KOSMOKRATOR WITH THE DEVIL'S WEAPONS.

Eph. 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Pale (g3823) pal'-ay; from pallo, (to vibrate; another form for 906); wrestling: - / wrestle 

Pallo like PSALLO and several other words from which people make SPEAKING into MAKING MUSIC are all primarily words of MAKING WAR or polluting people in one way or another. THAT'S why Paul put the word IN THE HEART or spirit and NOT literally SHOOTING one another in the musical contests.

-Pallô, poise, sway a missile before it is thrown, sway, brandish, she drove it furiously, tripped on the shield-rim, quiver, leap, esp. in fearII. Pass., swing, dash oneself, Pi.N.5.21; vibrate, of strings, Pl.Phd.94c (psalloito ap. Stob.);  leap, bound, quiver, quake, phrena deimati pallôn S.OT153 (lyr.); dash along, of horses, E.El.477 (lyr.). 
kosm-ikos , ē, on, (kosmos IV) s.v. Orpheus: Astrol., k. kentra (goad)  skhēma  to sing sweet songs of
(Logos Speak opposite of myth, poetry, meter
Logik-os , ē, on, (logos) A. of or for speaking or speech, merē l. the organs of speech, Plu.Cor.38: logikē, , speech, Opposite. mousikē, D.H. Comp. 11; “l. phantasiaexpressed in speech, Stoic.2.61.. genethlialogika) “epithumiaiEp.Tit.2.12genethlia_log-ikos , ē, on,
Logos Speak opposite of myth, poetry, meter
Logik-os , ē, on, (logos) A. of or for speaking or speech, merē l. the organs of speech, Plu.Cor.38: logikē, , speech, Opposite . mousikē, D.H. Comp. 11; “l. phantasiaexpressed in speech, Stoic.2.61.
Orpheus , eōs, o(, Dor. Orphēs Ibyc.10A, Orphēn Hdn.Gr.1.14:—
A. Orpheus, Pi.P.4.177, Pl.R.364e, etc.:—Adj. Orpheios , a, on, E.Alc. 969(lyr.), Pl.Lg.829e; or Orphikos , ē, on, Hdt.2.81 ; “en tois O. epesi kaloumenoisArist.de An.410b28.\
Epos , older wepos SIG9 (v. infr.), etc., eos, to (Skt.
A. vácas 'word', 'hymn', cf. eipon):
1. song or lay accompanied by music, 8.91,17.519.
IV. in pl., epic poetry, Opposite. melē (lyric poetry), iambeia, dithuramboi, etc., “rhaptōn epeōn aoidoiPi.N.2.2 ; “ta Kupria epeaHdt.2.117, cf. Th.1.3, X.Mem.1.4.3, Pl.R.379a, etc. ; “epea te poiein pros luran t' aeideinTheoc.Ep.21.6 ; “nikēsas eposIG3.1020 ; poētēs epōn
Skhēma 2. appearance, Opposite. the reality, ouden allo plēn . . s. a mere outside, E.Fr.25, cf. 360.27, Pl.R.365c; show, pretence, “ēn de touto . . s. politikon tou logouTh.8.89; ;  “skhēmasi kai khrōmasi mimeisthai” esp. outside show, pomp, to tēs arkhēs s. Pl.Lg.685c;
5. character, role, metabalein to s. Pl.Alc.1.135d; “panta s. poieinId.R.576a;
7. a figure in Dancing, Ar.V.1485: mostly in pl., figures, gestures
skhēmata pros ton aulon orkheisthaiX.Smp.7.5; en . .
X.Smp.7.5; en . . mousikē [hēs to kitharizein kai to adein kai to embainein orthōs;]  kai skhēmata . . kai melē enesti figures and tunes, Pl.Lg.655a 10. = to aidoion LXXIs.3.17.
Melos THE word for musical melody. B. esp. musical member, phrase: hence, song, strain 2. music to which a song is set, tune 3. melody of an instrument, “phormigx d' au phtheggoith' hieron m. ēde kai aulos
Xen. Sym. 7.5 However, these questions also fail to promote the same object that wine does; but if the young people were to have a flute accompaniment and dance figures depicting the Graces, the Horae, and the Nymphs, I believe that they would be far less wearied themselves and that the charms of the banquet would be greatly enhanced.”“Upon my word, Socrates,” replied the Syracusan, “you are quite right; and I will bring in a spectacle that will delight you.
Epithu_m-ia lust of the EYE, lust of the EAR says Barnes of Amos
A. desire, yearning, “e. ektelesaiHdt.1.32; epithumia by passion, Opposite. pronoia, Th.6.13:
sexual desire, lustXen. Const. Lac. 2.13 BOY love
Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope,
        and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Titus 2:14 Who gave himself for us,
        that he might redeem us from all iniquity,
        and purify unto himself a peculiar people,
        zealous of good works.

Kosm-eō , A. order, arrange, esp. set an army in array, marshal it
onomasi kekosmēmenousPl.Ap.17 c; “tragikon lēronAr.Ra.1005; k. ergon ariston ib.1027; “to logikon ekheis exaireton, touto kosmeiArr.Epict.3.1.26; “logon euruthmiaisIsoc.5.27; “hauton logoisPl.La.196 b, cf. 197 c; “epi to meizon k.Th.1.21; ton . . tēn ekeinōn aretēn kosmēsonta (in speaking) D.18.287:—Pass., “ēthos semnotēti -mēmenon
Ruthm-ia ,
A. rhythmical order or movement, “kata rhuthmon euruthmian paradidonaiPl.R.522a, cf. Prt.326b; hai peri tēn lexin eu. the measured cadences of language, Isoc.5.27; “ kuklikē eu. tōn periodōnD.H. Pomp.6.10.
2. harmony between the orator and his hearers, Plu.2.45e.
3. of persons, gracefulness, Pl.R.400d; “ d' eu. to t' ēthosDamox.3.7; eu. tōn sōmatōn graceful movement, Plu.2.8c, cf. Quint.1.10.26, Luc.Salt.8.
John 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world,
        but for them which thou hast given me;
        for they are thine.
John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world,
        but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. [poneros,]
Gal. 1:5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Gal. 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him
        that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal. 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you,
        and would pervert the gospel of Christ.


4190.  poneros, pon-ay-ros´; from a derivative of 4192; hurtful, i.e. evil (properly, in effect or influence, and thus differing from 2556, which refers rather to essential character, as well as from 4550, which indicates degeneracy from original virtue); figuratively, calamitous; also (passively) ill, i.e. diseased; but especially (morally) culpable, i.e. derelict, vicious, facinorous; neuter (singular) mischief, malice, or (plural) guilt; masculine (singular) the devil, or (plural) sinners: --  bad, evil, grievous, harm, lewd, malicious, wicked(-ness). See also 4191.
Gal. 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven,
        preach any other gospel unto you
        than that which we have preached unto you,
        let him be accursed.

331. anathema, an-ath´-em-ah; from 394; a (religious) ban or (concretely) excommunicated (thing or person): — accused, anathema, curse, x great.

1 Cor 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

The Levites cursed by Jacob were abandoned to carry out the work of the "lord" in the worship of the starry host for a nation sentenced to be returned to "beyond Babylon." They were dedicated to the Lord and "had no inheritance in Israel."

-Anathêma , /, (anatithēmi) A. that which is set up: hence, like agalma, votive offering set up in a temple, Hdt.1.14,92, S.Ant.286, etc.; “a. ek leitourgiōnLys.26.4. 2. used by Hom. only in first sense of agalma, delight, ornament,molpē t' orkhēstus te: ta gar t' anathēmata daitosOd.1.152, cf. 21.430, IG14.1390; tois tekousin anathēma biotou, of children, E.Fr.518, cf. Pl.Hp.Mi.364b; to help deserving poverty is “basilikou ploutou a. kai kataskeuasma lamprotatonD.H.19.14.

-Agalma , atos, to/, acc. to Hsch. pan eph' tis agalletai,
A. glory, delight, honour, Il.4.144, etc.; kephalaisin andrōn agalmata (sc. lophoi) Alc.15; khōras a., of an ode, Pi.N.3.13, cf. 8.16;
2. pleasing gift, esp. for the gods, “a. theōnOd.8.509, of a bull adorned for sacrifice, ib.3.438; of a tripod, Hdt.5.60, al.; generally, = anathēma, IG1.37312a, etc.; “Kharēs eimi . . a. tou ApollōnosGDI5507 (Miletus); “anthēken a.Simon.155; so, Hekatēs a . . . kuōn, because sacred to her, E.Fr.968, = Ar.Fr.594a; a. Aida, of a tombstone, Pi.N.10.67.
Hekatēs a . . . kuōn, because sacred to her, E.Fr.968, = Ar.Fr.594a; a. Aida, of a tombstone, Pi.N.10.67.
-Molp-ē , h(, (melpō)
A. dance or rhythmic movement with song, Od. 6.101, Il.18.606.
2. more freq. song, 1.472; “molpēs te glukerēs kai amumonos orkhēthmoio13.637; “molpē t' orkhēstus teOd.1.152, cf. Hes.Th.69, Sapph.Supp.25.5, Pi.O.10.84,6.97 (pl.), A.Ag.106 (lyr.), etc.: Com. in lyr., “molpa klaggaMnesim.4.57 (anap.): metaph., ou m. suriggos ekhōn the note, S.Ph.212 (lyr.): also in late Prose, as Luc.Salt.23.

Apollo
in Revelation is Abaddon or Apollyon and the muses are the Locusts in John's coded message.

-Hom. Od. 1.125 Heralds poured water over their hands, and maid-servants heaped by them bread in baskets, and youths filled the bowls brim full of drink; and they put forth their hands to the good cheer lying ready before them. [150] Now after the wooers had put from them the desire of food and drink, their hearts turned to other things, to song and to dance; for these things are the crown of a feast. And a herald put the beautiful lyre in the hands of Phemius, who sang perforce among the wooers; [155] and he struck the chords in prelude2 to his sweet lay. But Telemachus spoke to flashing-eyed Athena, holding his head close, that the others might not hear: “Dear stranger, wilt thou be wroth with me for the word that I shall say? These men care for things like these, the lyre and song, [160] full easily, seeing that without atonement they devour the livelihood of another, of a man whose white bones, it may be, rot in the rain as they lie upon the mainland, or the wave rolls them in the sea. 

-Hom. Od. 21.401
A Levite musician who entered into a holy place would be sacrificed: modern musicians claim that they are dedicated to the Lord. There are several Biblical examples which prove that they will be cast alive into the lake of fire.
3. of a slave in a temple, a. poleōs devoted to this service by the city, E.Ion310.—Cf. anathema.

Any object so sacrificed or devoted to the Lord could not be redeemed (Num. 18:14; Lev. 27:28, 29); and hence the idea of exterminating was connected with the word. The Hebrew verb (haram) is frequently used of the extermination of idolatrous nations. It had a wide range of application. The anathema or herem was a person or thing irrevocably devoted to God (Lev. 27:21, 28); and "none devoted shall be ransomed. He shall surely be put to death" (27:29). The Hebrew word therefore carried the idea of devoted to destruction (Num. 21:2, 3; Josh. 6:17); and hence a majority of scholars have treated the word anathema similarly, generally as meaning a thing accursed. For example, in Deut. 7:26 an idol is called a herem = anathema, understood to mean a thing accursed

Sorry bout that but you will not be able to believe it: Time is short and that is why the Church of Christ thread tries to silence just quoting the Bible: music means to silence the voice of the victim.

Hebrews 12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh.
        For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth,
        much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
Hebrews 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: (the trumpet sound)
        but now he hath promised, saying,
        Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.

Hebrews 12:27 And this word, Yet once more,
        signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, t
        hat those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
Hebrews 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved,
       let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

Christ in Isaiah 30 says that hell is prepared for God to drive His enemies into: the MARKS are wind, string and percussion instruments.
Logos versus Mythos: Word versus Music Logos (modern) is rational of the word and STRAIGHT: Mythos and Sophia (postmodern) are irrational and Gender-Confused. Mythos Nomoi (traditional law)
(a) Eros is approved, and its excesses condoned, when directed towards superior youths approaching manhood.
(b) It appears to be condemned, in so far as parents forbid their boys to hold converse with “erastae.” The explanation of this ambiguous attitude must be sought in the principle laid down above, that the moral quality of an act depends upon the conditions of its performance.
GRACE is Kharizo 2. gratify or indulge a humour or passion, 3. in erotic sense, grant favours to a man,
give up as a favour by dropping a law aimed at him,
The Grace of God--The Word--hath appeared teaching us NOT to do what people want to do and expect grace to save them so they can live like the WORLD and still deny that Jesus said that He DID NOT PRAY for the WORLD.

The Rise of the Feminine proven by using the role of the Levites as musical noise makers while "Making the God (patriarchal) silent before the slaughter." That's What Makes Granny Run. The inability to dialog with with other males is the mark.

Marc want to use what Paul COMMANDED to trump what Paul OUTLAWED: the works of the FLESH specificially identify all of the performance acts and antics of ceremonial legalism as led by Musical Poisioning or Sorcery. Click to read.

See Musical Worship Teams.

3.07.11 Karen Armstrong, in A History of God, shows how the pagan clergy attempted to neutralize the One God Who was spoken of as male:
"God lay beyond 'gender' but, as in the Enuma Elish, each pair of emanations consisted of a male and female--a scheme which attempted to neutralize the masculine tenor of more conventional monotheism. Each pair of emanations grew weaker and more attenuated, since they were getting even further from their divine Source." (p. 95)

Speaking of the mystics, Armstrong showed how the new, gender-neutral gods are to be worshipped:

"This God is to be approached through the imagination and can be seen as a kind of art form, akin to the other great artistic symbols that have expressed the ineffable mystery, beauty and the value of life.
 
Mystics have used music, dancing, poetry, fiction, stories, painting, sculpture and architecture to express this Reality which goes beyond concepts." (P. 396)
All religious music and musicians were glad to confess and demonstrate their gender identity.
3.06.11. Can you imagine a Church of Christ Thread where all of the false teachers are ANTI-church of Christ and where posted facts are not allowed.

Norton, never coming to the knowledge of the truth. "Never once do we find in the writings of the Early Church Fathers where they took it upon themselves to write that God had forbidden IM in the church. They cite no apostles or scripture, or anyone else as saying IM in church worship is a sin. Most of the writers  being bishops, did what bishops are supposed to do. They gave their judgements on matters, not addressed by the Lord or the apostles. They said the Church did not use lifeless instruments in worship because they didn't want to be like the Jews and pagans. And of course they didn't use the "authority principle" against instruments, because that doctrine didn't appear until the Reformation. (Utterly False: Christ used it in the Prophets as the only resource for building up the church along with the apostles."
The Universal aim to be APOSTOLIC for all that we believe or practice.

Isa 8:19And when they shall say unto you,
        Seek unto them that have familiar spirits,
        and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter:
                should not a people seek unto their God?
                for the living to the dead
The familiar spirit is a dry, empty wineskin. It serves as the echo chamber of the nebel which means 'VILE.' It has the same meaning as the harp and the sounding gongs in 1 Cor. 13.
"In Isa 8:19 the 'obhoth and yidh'onim are spoken of those who 'chirp and mutter." These terms refer to the necromancers themselves who practiced ventriloquism in connection with their magical rites. In Isa 29:4 it is said 'Thy voice shall be as an 'obh, out of the ground.'... They are stamped in these passages, as in the Witch of Endor narrative, as deceivers practising a fraudulent art. By implication their power to evoke spirits with whom they were in familiar intercourse is denied." (Int Std Bible Ency., ency, p. 690)
Pȳthon ,, I. the serpent slain, according to the myth, near Delphi by Apollo, who was fabled to have been called Pythius in commemoration of this victory, Ov. M. 1, 438;
Stewart sculpture 2.4 the epithet derives from his boyhood battle against the Pythoness at Delphi, when "the lord Apollo, the far-shooter / shot a strong arrow at her / and she lay there, torn with terrible pain" (Homeric Hymn to Pythian Apollo 356-59).

Pȳtho , ūs, f., = Πυθώ,
I. the former name of Delphi and its environs, Tib. 2, 3, 27 (Python, Müll.); Luc. 5, 134.—Hence,
I. Pȳthĭcus , a, um, adj., = Πυθικός, another form for Pythius, Pythian: “Apollo,Liv. 5, 21: “oraculum,id. 5, 15: “sortes,id. 5, 23: “divinatio,Val. Max. 1, 8, 10: “agon,Tert. adv. Gnost. 6.—
II. Pȳthĭus , a, um, adj., = Πύθιος, Pythian, Delphic, Apollonian: Delphis prognatus Pythius Apollo, Naev B. P. 2, 20; so, “Apollo,Cic. Off. 2, 22, 77; “also incola,Hor. C. 1, 16, 6; “and deus,Prop. 2, 31 (3, 29), 16: “oraculum,Cic. Div. 1, 1, 3: “regna,” i. e. Delphi, Prop. 3, 13 (4, 12), 52: “antra,Luc. 6, 425: vates, i. e. the Pythoness, Pythia, Juv. 13, 199; cf. in the foll. —
B. Substt.
1. Pȳthĭa , ae, f., = Πυθία, the priestess who uttered the responses of the Delphic Apollo, the Pythoness, Pythia, Cic. Div. 1, 19, 38; Nep. Milt. 1, 3. —
incantātĭo , ōnis, f. id., I. an enchanting, enchantment (post-class.): “magicae, Firm. Math. 5, 5: incantationum vires,Tert. Hab. Mul. 2.
Isaiah 8:20
        To the law (no instruments in the Law of Moses)
        and to the testimony: (By the Spirit of Christ 1 Peter 1:11; Rev 19:10)
if they speak not according to this word,
        it is because there is no light in them.


Isaiah 55 outlaws MERCHANDISING especially when it is a hostil attack on godly people.  Christ in Isaiiah 58 outlawed "speaking your own words."
I think that pretty well sums up the ANTISM of the ANTI-non-Instrumental Church of Christ.

Grace demands that I tell you that ALL church fathers who wrote on instruments or singing REPUDIATE any thing that disturbs the command to "teach that which is written."  There was never any congregational singing with organ accompaniment before the Reformation because even Simple Simon knew that NONE OF IT WAS METRICAL and could NOT be taught with music.

You can discuss this openly by clicking here and you will not be censured and censored.

Will someone tell Norton that to post something that is utterly false with the full intention of removing grace from the historic curch of christ and all churches  meets the definition of lying: John calls the false speakers, singers and instrument players SORCERERS and consigns them to the Lake of Fire along with liars. He ignores the data where I have proven that NO ONE IN HISTORY did congregational singing with instrumental accompaniment UNTIL after the Reformation when some Psalms (only) were radically rewritten and set to meter to make singing POSSIBLE and then sung only in unison as Paul defines in Romans 15. So all of the
ANTI-church of Christ agents deliberately lie and will not accept correction just because someone APPROVES of their spiritual terrorism.


All literate scholarship understood that God "turned Israel over to worship the starry hosts." The slaughter and burning of innocent goats (cappellas) was part of that Canaanite-Babylonianism. Christ in the PROPHETS (Only) repudiated the king, kingdom, temple, animal sacrifices and the use of instruments "to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter."

That is the same reason the Bible readers did not kill innocent animals or burnt offerings: Christ said God had not COMMANDED sacrifices or offerings. They did not make music for congregational worship! NOT ONCE: it was called noise and was exorcism or soothsaying.

They also understood that Israel's use of the Military Levites to make noise in making war against the innocent and at the not-commanded Temple was called ABANDONMENT and not a "worship ceremony."

TUNEFUL SINGING WAS NOT KNOWN: NONE OF THE BIBLE IS METRICAL: WERE  COMMANDED TO SPEAK "THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN FOR OUR LEARNING." THEREFORE, IT WAS NEVER POSSIBLE TO SING IN A MUSICAL SENSE: SO MARK IT DOWN AS GRACELESS LIES INTENDING TO DEPRIVE OTHERS OF GRACE.

"Before the establishment of the kingdom under Saul, it was the women who, as in every young civilization, played a major part in the performance of music. Such figures as Miriam, Deborah, Jephthah's daughter, and the women hailing the young hero David have become almost archetypes of female musicians.

"Characteristic of all these cases is the familiar picture of a female chorus, dancing and singing, accompanied by frenzied drum-beating.

This is the scene known to the entire Near East, and not"even the severe rule of Islam could wholly suppress this age-old practice." (Int Dict of the Bible, Music, p. 457).

4th Century: From Ephraim the Syrian and Aphrahat the Persian Sage

To Ephraim pertains the high and unique distinction
        of having originated-
        or at least given its living impulse to-
        a new departure in sacred literature;
        and that, not for his own country merely, but for Christendom.

From him came, if not the first idea, at all events the first successful example,
        of making song an essential constituent of public worship,
        and an exponent of theological teaching;
        and from him it spread and prevailed through
        the Eastern Churches, and affected even those of the West.

From a few lines of Proba's work can be seen the problems with this approach: little of what was created could justifiably be placed alongside the great works of the past, and since that was an implicit target the failure to meet it was embarrassing;

        more pressingly, such Christianisations
        did not appeal to the highly educated,
        who preferred to read the imitated originals,


and did not appeal to Christians who would not otherwise have read the originals, who needed something written to their own culture and not to that of a past elite.


The history is absolute: music was performed by and appealed only to the lower classes: that is why Jesus consigned the pipers, singers and dancers" to the marketplace where all things were SOLD.

THEODORET
" Theodoret of Cyrus or Cyrrhus c. 393 c. 457) 107 . Question: If songs were invented by unbelievers to seduce men, but were allowed to those under the law on account of their childish state, why do those who have received the perfect teaching of grace in their churches still use songs, just like the children under the law?

Answer:
It is not simple singing that belongs to the childish state, but singing with lifeless instruments, with dancing, and with clappers. Hence the use of such instruments and the others that belong to the childish state is excluded from the singing in the churches, and simple singing is left." (Theodoret, a bishop of Cyrhus in Syria, Questions and Answers for the Orthodox)

SO, Norton and all of the ANTIS deliberately make up stuff because such hate is allowed or encouraged.

Norton is invited to post where where no one wins by censure and censoring

THE CREED OF TRITHISM OR POLYTHEISM

While "interpreting" the Nicene Creed using the usual isolated proof texts, their Creed is NOT that of NICEA.

The Nicene Creed was forced into existence by Constantine to stop the warfare between groups: the sould purpose was to refute Arius.

3.04.11 The Grace Centered Magazine's Creed includes their radical modification of the Nicene Creed which does not recognize God as THREE PEOPLE all with their own centers of conscience: this is called blasphemy and John says that if you deny that
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly,
        that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified,
        both Lord and Christ.
You deny that there is One God the father in heaven and one Lord Jesus made to be Lord and Christ on earth.
Rom. 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle,
        separated unto the gospel of God,
Rom. 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
Rom. 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord,
        which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Rom. 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power,
        according to the spirit of holiness,
        by the resurrection from the dead:
2.28.11 A question was asked about the slaying of 3000 men in Exodus 32.  I posted the CAUSE of this fall and God taking their name out of the book of life.  God had saved Israel by pure grace but they sat down to eat and ROSE UP TO PLAY.  The facts about this fatal fork in the role is not something the massed multitude wants to hear or WILL even read.  That hatred of Exodus 32 is not something restricted to one or another sects.

The PLAY was PLAYING with musical instruments and playing with one another: this happens in a virtual way in all recorded history about people whose view of their "god" lets them fall into juvenile singing, clapping, playing instruments and dancing or body gyrating.

Because of this terminal sin God turned the Israelites over to worship the starry host: (Acts7) that is the PATTERNISM for all music in the School of Christ with 2 Chronicles 29 being the text they used to say that God commands instrumental praise and we (YOU) had better not oppose it.

There are many Old Testament explanations of this terminal fall from Grace including Acts 7, Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 10 and others.

Exodus 32 says that using MUSIC which can only be entertaining to the "worshipers" is the MARK which can never be erased.


3.01.11


In Exodus 31 God warned against letting loose or lose custody of singing, playing and being entertained when the assembly was Called.
    In Exodus 32 the people depending on God's SILENCE to permit their IMAGINATION rose up to play in musical Idolatry.
In Deuteronomy 31 Moses defined SONGS as to be SPOKEN for instruction from God (only):
In Deuteronomy 32 in the SECOND LAW the musical idolatry was repeated.
  1. Individuals are Disciples (only) of Christ (only) and only when the elders SPEAK and teach that which has been taught.
  2. It is logical that the doctors of the Law whom Jesus said "take away the key to knowledge" insist that God DOES not speak: rather "a" spirit tells them that they can fabricated their own Commands, Examples and Necessary Inferences IF you want to be their disciple.
  3. If your shepherds fail to warn you and you FALL into the Devil's trap (His children speak on their OWN) you will never get up.
  4. God abandoned the Israelites to be destroyed by their own people and sentenced the rest to "worship the starry host."
Deut 31:21 And it shall come to pass, when many evils and troubles are befallen them,
        that this song shall testify against them as a witness;
        for it shall not be forgotten out of the mouths of their seed:
        for I know their imagination which they go about,
        even now, before I have brought them into the land which I sware.
  • All false teachers who claim that a "spirit" gives them the authority to speak and impose where God has been silent.
  • That is proof that they cannot read and just make laughingstocks of themselves and their disciples.
  • Paul said of the Corinthians that fools love to be fooled because they have no love for the truth.
  • They will hurt you in more ways you can imagine if you tamper with "god's anointeds."
  • God says that no human has the wisdom to ADD to the Word of God:
Cōgĭtātĭo , ōnis, f. cogito, i. e. co-agito; cf. Varr. L. L. 6, § 43; Cic. Off. 1, 6, 19; Paul. ex Fest. p. 66, 7 Müll..
I. Abstr., a thinking, considering, deliberating; thought, reflection, meditation (in good prose, and very freq.).
A. Concr., a thought, opinion, judgment; a resolution, design. plan, project:  “posteriores enim cogitationes (ut aiunt) sapientiores solent esse,Cic. Phil. 12, 2, 5 (transl. of hAi deuterai pōs phrontides sophōterai): “ista cogitatio de triumpho,id. Att. 7, 3, 2
B. In Cic. several times, thought as an intellectual power, the ability of thinking, power or faculty of thought, the reasoning power
săpĭo , īvi or ĭi (sapui, Aug. Civ. Dei, 1, 10; id. Ep. 102, 10; but sapivi, Nov. ap. Prisc. p. 879 P.; id. ap. Non. 508, 21: I. saPisti,Mart. 9, 6, 7: “sapisset,Plaut. Rud. 4, 1, 8), 3, v. n. and a. [kindr. with opos, saphēs, and sophos], to taste, savor; to taste, smack, or savor of, to have a taste or flavor of a thing (cf. gusto
b. To suggest, be inspired by : “quia non sapis ea quae Dei sunt,Vulg. Matt. 16, 23; id. Marc. 8, 33.—
c. Altum or alta sapere, to be high-minded or proud: “noli altum sapere,Vulg. Rom. 11, 20: “non alta sapientes,
Sophos , ē, on, A. skilled in any handicraft or art, clever, harmatēlatas s. Pi.P.5.115, cf. N.7.17; “kubernētēsA.Supp.770; “mantisId.Th.382; “oiōnothetasS.OT484 (lyr.); of a sculptor, E.Fr.372; even of hedgers and ditchers, Margites Fr.2; but in this sense mostly of poets and musicians, Pi.O.1.9, P.1.42, 3.113; en kithara s. E.IT1238 (lyr.), cf. Ar.Ra.896 (lyr.), etc
lso en oiōnois, kithara, E. IT662, 1238 (lyr.)
MOSES DEFINED THE SYNAGOGUE FOR TEACHING THE WORD OF GOD:
        The synagogue continued when the leaders returned to their tribes and SPOKE the instructions of God:
        The synagogue EXCLUDES vocal or instrumental rejoicing:
                this was always the MARK of people making the lambs dumb before the slaughter.

Deut 31:28 Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes,
        and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and
H6950 qâhal kaw-hal' A primitive root; to convoke:—assemble (selves) (together), gather (selves) (together).

Deut 31:29 For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt yourselves, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands.

Deut 31:30 And Moses spake in the ears of all the congregation of Israel the words of this song, until they were ended.

ekklêsi-a  A. assembly duly summoned, less general than sullogos, Th.2.22, Pl.Grg.456b,  , II. in LXX, the Jewish congregation, De. 31.30,al. 2. in NT, the Church, as a body of Christians, Ev.Matt. 16.18, 1 Ep.Cor.11.22 ; “ kat' oikon tinos e.Ep.Rom.16.5 ; as a building, Cod.Just.1.1.5 Intr., etc.

H7892 shıyr shıyrâh sheer, shee-raw' The second form being feminine; from H7891 ; a song; abstractly singing:—musical (-ick), X sing (-er, -ing), song.

SONGS were always spoken or recited: the purpose was to instruct others and the style would be cantillation or an elevated pitch and sound level as in rhetoric.

con-grĕgo , āvi, ātum, 1B. [select] Trop. (rare; mostly in Quint.), to collect, accumulate: “argumenta infirmiora,Quint. 5, 12, 4: “verba,id. 9, 3, 45; cf. “turbam (verborum),id. 10, 1, 7; cf. congregatio, II.

Moses didn't SING this song He SPOKE it because comprehension was the purpose:

lŏquor , cātus (quūtus), lŏqui (
I. nf. loquier, Naev. ap. Gell. 1, 24, 2), v. dep. n. and a. [Sanscr. lap-, to talk, whisper; Gr. lak-, elakon, laskō], to speak, talk, say (in the lang. of common life, in the tone of conversation; cf. Quint. 9, 4, 10; 11, 3, 45).
II.  Transf.
A.To speak, declare, show, indicate or express clearly: “oculi nimis arguti quemadmodum animo affecti simus, loquuntur, rē-scrībo
imperial rescription
2. In partic., in milit. lang., to enroll anew, to re-enlist: “rescriptae ex eodem milite novae legiones,Liv. 9, 10.—
3. In milit. lang., to transfer from one kind of troops to another: “Caesarem decimam legionem ad equum rescribere,Caes. B. G. 1, 42 fin.

Those who have so fallen follows many recorded patterns and you should be advised that they will hurt you if you cross them.

Grace Centered Magazine says that there is nothing in the New Testament which says "There is nothing in the NT saying that we must have authorization for everything done in the assemblly or in expessing praise to God. Those who preach that there is, are preaching from Reformation creeds instead of Scripture."

In the Exodus 32 paper I have quoted some Exodus 31: the Israelites REFUSED to listen to the voice of God and while He was commanding them to KEEP the Sabbath meaning to KEEP it from musical idolatry or play, the people working from SILENCE decided to perform a musical worship service without ANY message from God.

Norton believes the false statement of others that Calvin invented the Regulative Principle which states that you need Bible authority for what you do.  However, a Bible reader can find the CENI throughout the Bible and recorded history IF they need a law to make them reverent before God.

Christ said just the opposite and HE died to give us the Word FREE OF CHARGE and I suspect that He was manly enough not to shut people's mouths.

http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.55.Word.Spirit.html
HO, every one that thirsteth,
        come ye to the waters,
        and he that hath no money;
        come ye, buy, and eat; yea,
        come, buy wine and milk WITHOUT MONEY
        and WITHOUT PRICE. Isa 55:1
2 Cor. 2:17 For we are not as many,
       which corrupt the word of God:
       but as of sincerity, but as of God,
       in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
kapēl-euō,  A. to be a retail-dealer, drive a petty trade Hdt. 3.89  ta mathēmata sell learning by retail, hawk it about, Pl. Prt.313d , 2 Cor. 2:17, of prostitutes,

I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY MERCHANDISERS OF THE WORD AND CHRISTIANITY WOULD GET SO ANGRY.

2 Co.1:12 For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to youward.

Sophia A. cleverness or skill in handicraft and art,  in music and singing, tekhnē kai s. h.Merc.483, cf. 511; in poetry,

Wherefore DO YOU SPEND MONEY for that which is not bread?
        and your labour for that which satisfieth not?
        hearken diligently unto me,
        and eat ye that which is good,
        and let your soul delight itself in fatness. Isa 55:2
Is. 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
        neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Is. 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
        so are my ways higher than your ways,
        and my thoughts than your thoughts.
PAUL SAID THAT THE WAY TO GLORIFY OR PRAISE GOD IS TO SPEAK "THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN WITH ONE MIND AND ONE MOUTH.  There is no role and no dole for human mediators or writers of additional LAWS which others must obey.

2.27.11 I posted and they DEposted while still lying about my posts and mocking all Bible quotes.

  • Disciples have obeyed the Gospel and been baptized
  • Only Disciples can be called Christians.
  • Christians as disciplle will not accept any dogma imposed on them if Jesus Christ has not commanded it.

Mt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach [didaktikos] all nations,

ma^thēt-euō ,
A. to be pupil, tini to one, Plu.2.832c.
II. trans., make a disciple of, INSTRUCT, “panta ta ethnēEv.Matt.28.19, cf. Act.Ap.14.21:—Pass., Ev.Matt.13.52.

baptizING them in the name [Jesus Christ] of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

And:

TeachING them to observe all things WHATSOEVER I HAVE COMMANDED YOU:
        and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world (As Spirit Jesus). Amen.
Mt 28:20

Didasko to teach, instruct, teach riding, teach shooting, taught of a father, Understood by all disciples that in the pagan sense:

WHAT JESUS COMMANDED TO BE TAUGHT (IN AN ASSERTIVE SENSE)

ENTELLO. Enjoin, Commmand, command by WORD OF MOUTH, invest with legal powers, AUTHORIZED to act.

A Disciple as baptized is a Christian: Christians undersand WHO has the authority which is AFTER THE LAW OF MOSES and is therefore not legalism.

Discipulus A learner, scholar, pubil, disciple, a learner in an art or trade, an APPRENTICE, a disciple of Christ.

A disciple is not a WORSHIPER in the "ceremonial legalism sense" which is IMPOSING the Law of David who did not teach the Law of Moses.

A Disciple does nothing as defined by the world as WORSHIP. Worship implies that YOU have something of value to God which appeases Him, pleasures Him or makes sure that He will not turn on you.  A Disciple understands that the Direction-of-information-flow is FROM Christ TO His disciples.

Rom. 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God!
        how unsearchable are his judgments,
        and his ways past finding out!
Rom. 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord?
         or who hath been his counseller?
Rom. 11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
Rom. 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
2.21.11

Ben Sirach and all recorded evidence denies that.

Life is sweet for the self-reliant and the worker,
        but he who finds treasure is better off than both.
Ecclesiasticus 40:18.

Children and the building of a city establish a man's name,
        but a blameless wife is accounted better than both. Ecclesiasticus 40: 19.

Wine and music gladden the heart,
        but the love of wisdom is better than both. Ecclesiasticus 40: 20.

The flute and the harp make pleasant melody,
        but a pleasant voice is better than both. Ecclesiasticus 40: 21.

[Aristot. Pol. 8.1338a [1] But leisure seems itself to contain pleasure and happiness and felicity of life. And this is not possessed by the busy but by the leisured; for the busy man busies himself for the sake of some end as not being in his possession, but happiness is an end achieved, which all men think is accompanied by pleasure and not by pain
Jay Guin of The Progressive Church of Christ has a new attempt to justify instrumental noise in the School of Christ.

Instrumental Music in the Old Testament: Part 3 (Worship): All of what seems to be condemnation of instruments as telling God to shut up are explained as "just a bad mental attitude."

The Progressive Church of Christ wants to reject the historic beliefs of the Church of Christ and also get control of their property. That is the Biblical and historic definition of a HERETIC or SECTARIAN: one who uses force to choose your property for their own. The Heretic in Greece was the slaughter priest who "lifted them up to cut their throuts."  The instrumentalists who "made the lambs dumb before the slaughter were called PARASITES. 

Review of the Grace-Centered treatment of Baptism 2.25.10

GCMF Forum: "101 reasons why baptism does not save."

If Jesus said that the obedience in baptism of a believer SAVES then we have to tell the truth.

When people post Biblical and historical evidence which has Jesus, Paul and Peter saying that BAPTISM saves, the respons is often: "therefore, because YOU do not agree YOU are passing judgment and as falsely charged:

Accusation:
You said someone was under the control of Lucifer just because they disagreed with you. Personal attacks like that will just get you permanently banned. That is a blatant violation of the rules, and has happened numerous times. Last chance

Of of course that is a flat lie.  

What I have posted in response to the Credo of "101 reasons why baptism does not save."

QUOTING CHRIST IN THE PROPHETS IS NOT REFERRING TO LUCIFER. The true adversary is "he that believeth not" and is therefore "baptized not" and therefore damned.

Isaiah from the Dead Sea Scrolls: The eunuch was reading this when he heard about Jesus as the Messiah. He wanted to be baptized immediately. Those of faith will never haggle with Jesus Christ because they are not of faith and not because "Lucifer made them do it."

19. [+of iniquity+] (16) Wash and make yourselves clean and turn away the evil of your habitual practices from before my eyes, stop doing evil. (17) Learn
20. to do well, pursue judgement, bless the oppressed, judge the orphan, contend for the widow. (PP)

21. Please come and let us reason together says YHWH,
         if your sins are like scarlet they shall be white as snow

22. if they be as red as crimson they shall be as wool.
(19) If you are obedient and you give heed
        then
of the good of the Land [{you shall eat.}]

23. (20) But if you refuse and you rebel
         
you will be devoured by the sword because the mouth of YHWH has said it.

Refuse to obey is Provoco  2. In jurid. lang., to take a cause before a higher court, to appeal, make an appeal; A. To challenge to a contest, to contend with, emulate, rival, vie with

YOU WILL BE  Devoro   D. Of property, to consume, to waste, = exhaurire: “omnem pecuniam publicam, C. ejus oratio, nimia religione attenuata,
        a multitudine et a foro devorabatur, qs. swallowed but not digested
        (i. e. heard without being understood),

bibrōskō ,

tōn melōn bebrōkotesAr.V.463; Hom. Od. 2.177

Aristoph. Wasps 461
Bdelycleon

[460] There, we were bound to drive you off sooner or later!

Eh! by Zeus! you would not have put them to flight so easily if they had fed on the verses of Philocles.

melos , eos, to/, B. esp. musical member, phrase: hence, song, strain 2. music to which a song is set, tune 3. melody of an instrument, “phormigx d' au phtheggoith' hieron m. ēde kai aulos

Chorus
It is clear to all the poor that tyranny has [465] attacked us sorely.

Proud emulator of Amynias, you, who only take pleasure in doing ill, see how you are preventing us from obeying the laws of the city;

you do not even seek a pretext or any plausible excuse, [470] but claim to rule alone.

Hom. Od. 2.177 not Telemachus for all his many words,—nor do we reck of any soothsaying which thou, old man, mayest declare; it will fail of fulfillment, and thou shalt be hated the more. Aye, and his possessions shall be devoured in evil wise, nor shall requital ever be made, so long as she shall put off the Achaeans

WISE: Sophos A. [select] skilled in any handicraft or art, clever, harmatēlatas s. Pi.P.5.115, cf. N.7.17; “kubernētēsA.Supp.770; “mantis Id.Th.382;

Manti^s , o(, gen. eōs, Ion. ios; voc. manti^: pl., gen. manteōn (written manteion IG12.503); dat. A. mantesiThgn.545: also fem., acc. sg. “mantida daphnēn App.Anth.6.122; nom. pl. mantides Suid.s.v. Sibulla:— diviner, seer, prophet, “all' age tina m. ereiomen ē hierēa ē kai oneiropolonIl.1.62, cf. Od.17.384;

Plat. Phaedrus 244b and the priestesses at Dodona when they have been mad have conferred many splendid benefits upon Greece both in private and in public affairs,
        but few or none when they have been in their right minds;
        and if we should speak of the Sibyl and all the others
        who by prophetic inspiration have foretold many things
        to many persons and thereby made them fortunate afterwards,
        anyone can see that we should speak a long time.
And it is worth while to adduce also the fact that those men of old who invented names thought that madness was neither shameful nor disgraceful;

Sibull-a  , Sibyl, Heraclit.92, Ar.Pax 1095,1116, Pl.Phdr. 244b. Early writers only recognize
A. one Sibyl (Sibullai kai Bakides, Arist.Pr.954a36, is no exception), first localized at Erythrae or Cumae, Id.Mir.838a6; later, others are mentioned, cf. Str.14.1.34, Paus.10.12.1 sqq., Sch.Pl.l.c., Buresch Klaros p.120. [“SibillaIG22.1534.85 (iv B.C.).]
Paul warned about women getting involved in religious rituals or effeminate males:

Lucian noted that "no sacrifices were offered in Delos without round dances and the playing of flutes and the lyre. (Lucian De saltations 16)The eloborate musical embellishment of ritual in the cult of Apollo at Delphi and Delos was the reason for the choice of this deity as the parton of singers and poets. The playing of flute, syrinx, and lyre is further attested for a special rite of sacrifice in use in greek worship since earliest times..

Lucian could be describing the attempt of Jezebel's prophetesses when he described the priests of Cybele or Galloi.

"The unfortunate people mutilate themselves and beat each other on the back. A great crowd standing nearby accompanies them with flute music, the clashing of cymbals or the ecstatic singing of holy songs.

All this occurs, however, outside the temple.
Those who are occupied with such actions do not go inside.

In these days the number of the Galloi is increasing. For when the others play the flute and celebrate their orgies the frenzy falls on many who have come only as spectators.

A young man seized by this madness rips the clothing from his body and dashes into the middle with a loud cry and, snatching one of the swords that stands ready for just such a purpose, he castrates himself." (Lucian, De Dea Syria 50)

See Gregory Nazianzen Oration XXXIX to see the absolute musical worship and abnormal sexual connection which Paul identifies in Galatians 5.

Baptism promises us A holy spirit or A good conscience, consciousness or a co-perception of the word.  Paul told the Jews in Corinth that they had been made deaf at Mount Sinai and would not be able to read BLACK text on BROWN paper until they turned, converted or were baptized into Christ.

If you refuse and rebel or "believeth not" you will be devoured by the Scribes and Pharisees Jesus called hypocrites. In the Ezekiel 33 version hypocrites are for-hire ORATORS, singers and instrument players. Even if they could speak the truth you would not be able to READ or HEAR the Word being PREACHED by being READ each rest day.

Jesus spoke of the COMMON TREASURY "collection plate" which was the:

Gazophulakion (g1049) gad-zof-oo-lak'-ee-on; from 1047 and 5438; a treasure-house, i.e. a court in the temple for the collection-boxes: - treasury

And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the market places, Mark 12:38

And the chief seats in the synagogues, and the uppermost rooms at feasts: Mark 12:39

Which devour widows houses, and for a pretense make long prayers: these shall receive greater damnation. Mark 12:40

To devour is the Greek:
2719. katesthio, kat-es-thee´-o; from 2596 and 2068 (including its alternate); to eat down, i.e. devour (literally or figuratively)

To be consumed is:
355. analisko, from the alternate of 138; properly, to use up, i.e. destroy:  consume. 138 is the word heresy.  Having the same meaning as aresko or SELF-pleasure Paul consigned to the marketplace in Romans 14 and outlawed when he defined the assembly or synagogue in Romans 15.

42. airo, ah´-ee-ro; a primary root; to lift up; by implication, to take up or away; figuratively, to raise (the voice), keep in suspense (the mind), lift up, loose, make to doubt, put away, remove, take (away, up).

-Aeiro, raise up, instruments or machinery in the theater, to bear a burden, raise a tax, exhalt, passion and pride, excite, raise UP by praise, exaggerate, lift up to remove, raise up  a cheer,  ai. mēkhanēn, in the theatre, Antiph.191.15; so “epi tas mēkhanas katapheugousi theous airontes4. take up and bear, as a burden, “moronA.Pers.547; “athlonS.Tr.80; “algosA.R.4.65. esp. of pride and passion, exalt, excite, hupsou ai. thumon grow excited, S.OT914;

1 Corinthians 6.[15] Don't you know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them members of a prostitute? May it never be!

An approved example in the definition:
Aristophanes, Knights 507 
Had one of the old authors asked me to mount this stage to recite his verses, he would not have found it hard to persuade me. But our poet of to-day is likewise worthy of this favour; Often enough had he triumphed over his rivals; he had sung in all keys, played the lyre and fluttered wings; he turned into a Lydian and even into a gnat, daubed himself with green to become a frog. All in vain! When young, you applauded him; [525] in his old age you hooted and mocked him, because his genius for raillery had gone.

Those having been taken captive in such a cult will defend their captor to the death.

JESUS MAKING THAT PROPHECY MORE PERFECT.

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them,
        Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
        but he that believeth not shall be damned

I didn't say that: Lucifer didn't say that: Christ in the Prophets and Jesus who made the prophecies more perfect.

Isaiah is the prophecy by Christ. "if you refuse and rebel" is the same as "he that believeth not" whichis the Greek Apistos.  Christ says those who rebel are traitors: I didn't say that but the masses of people who are CALLED will not be of the few CHOSEN which means "tested and selected."

The usual theology is that Mark 16 does not say that "he that believeth not and IS NOT baptizedshall be damned."  However, the Greek Apostos or "believeth not" has the same meaning as verse 23 above: If you REFUSE and REBEL you will be damned.
 
The typical Scribal or "doctor of the law" method is to look up all of the "saved" words and use them to force the Bible and all early history to lie.

The people "believeth not" what Noah preached. Believeth not means to be DISOBEDIENT.

1 Pet. 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient,
apeith-eō , Att. form of api^theō (though even Trag. preferred apisteō, q.v. 11), A. to be disobedient, refuse compliance

Apisteo
I. disbelieve, distrust, II. = apeitheō, disobey, to be disobedient, tois apistousin tade in these things, S.Ant.219, cf. 656; ēn d' apistōsi but if they refuse to comply, E.Supp.389, cf. Pl.Lg.941c. 2. to be faithless,ei hēmeis apistoumen, ekeinos pistos menei2 Ep.Tim. 2.13.

2 Timothy 2.[12] If we endure, We will also reign with him.
        If we deny him, He also will deny us
2 Timothy 2.[13] If we are faithless,
        He remains faithful. He can't deny himself.

        when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah,
         while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is,
         eight souls were saved by water.

Baptism is imitating that event which is a "pattern capable of being imitated."

1 Pet. 3:21 The like figure (Antitupon or Antitype counterpart) whereunto
..even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh,
..but the answer of [Appeal FOR not PLEDGE] a good conscience toward God,)
..by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin,
but ye have
obeyed from the heart that form
          (
tupos a model for imitation) of doctrine
which was delivered you. Ro 6:17
 
But now being
 
made free from sin, and
 
become servants to God, ye
 
have your fruit unto holiness, and
 
the end everlasting life. Ro 6:22

2 Thess 3:9 Not because we have not power,
        but to
make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us.

Anti (g473) an-tee'; a prim. particle; opposite, i.e. INSTEAD or because of (rarely in addition to): - for, in the room of. Often used in composition to denote contrast, requital, SUBSTITUTION, correspondence, etc.

  1. We are baptized by GRACE instead of having to build an Ark or drown
  2. We are baptized by GRACE instead of having to cross the Red Sea or be destroyed by FAITH ONLY when God said "Quit whining, lift up your arm and MOVE into the jaws of death.
  3. We are baptized by GRACE instead of having to be pinned on a stake and shed OUR blood.

When you have to EXPLAIN AWAY what the text MAKES CLEAR you may have exhausted God's Grace.

Tupos (g5179) too'-pos; from 5180; a die (as struck), i.e. (by impl.) a stamp or scar; by anal. a shape, i.e. a statue, (fig.) style or resemblance; spec. a sampler ("type"), i.e. a model (for imitation) or instance (for warning): - en- (ex-) ample, fashion, figure, form, manner, pattern, print.

Maybe YOU can be SAVED without the REMISSION OF SINS (connected only to baptism) but I DON'T THINK you can go into the Most Holy Place wearing DIRTY CLOTHES.  Paul says we are saved BY FAITH when we are BAPTIZED to be CLOTHED with Christ. Then we have A holy spirit translated into heaven WHEN we are added to the CHURCH which is AFTER we have been baptized.

To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all,
... and to the Spirits of just men made perfect, Heb 12:23

They challenge: No, God saved these people and obedience was not demanded.  Did God force them to DISOBEY? No. They lost themselves because they were disobedient.  They were saved by water because that was the instrumental means that God choose.  Grace teaches and provides the means: there is no grace to those who deny that Christ has any power to bestow in baptism.

FAITH means NOT arguing with God! They were saved IN the Ark and saved BY the Water because THAT is how God planned to do it. If Noah had whinned, we would ALL be Cainites or Kenites who DID survive the flood.

We also quoted Jesus calling those who did not comply with "he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved" He calls APISTOS.  Based on Jesus' words this is a public confession which says I WILL NOT COMPLY WITH ANYTHING other than your grace and my faith.

I assuredly did not say anything that Jesus did not say: Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites: in the Ezekiel 33 version Christ named rhetoricians, singers and instrument players. Music from mystery means "to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter" or "to silence the voice of the victim" and was therefore called "sacred violence." God HIDES Himself from the wise or SOPHISTS including speakers, singers, instrument players, actors and all of the hypocritic arts and crafts.

Woe unto you, lawyers for ye have taken away the key of knowledge:
         ye
entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered. Lu.11:52

And all the people that heard him, and the publicans,
       
justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John. Luke 7:29
        But the
Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves,
        being not baptized of him. Luke 7:30

Grace 101a does not mean that I claim people are under the power of Lucifer because they disagree with ME.  Rejected has the same meaning as "believeth nor" or Apistos which brings on wrath. I am posting the links for those who want to be saved from "believeth nots"

Being baptizes is the CHRIST ORDAINED way to "justify" God: God has the authority to save and the authority to say how.  If you question baptism you say to God that He does NOT have any authority over your life.

di^kai-oō , 3. pronounce and treat as righteous, justify, vindicate, LXXEx.23.7, Je.3.11; “heautousEv.Luc.16.15, etc.:—freq. in Pass., ib.7.35, etc.

Luke 16.14] The Pharisees, who were lovers of money, also heard all these things,
        and they scoffed at him. (mocked, ridicule, laughed to scorn)
Luke 16.[15] He said to them,
        "You are those who justify yourselves in the sight of men,
        but God knows your hearts.
        For that which is exalted among men
        is an abomination in the sight of God. 

Those who refused to be baptized say that God HAS NO RIGHT to demand that they be baptized.  The meaning is the same as Apistos or "believeth not."

Athet-eō , athetos)
A. set at naught a treaty, promise, etc., “pistinPlb. 8.36.5; “thusianLXX 1 Ki.2.17; “diathēkēnEp.Gal.3.15; “theon1 Ep.Thess. 4.8; “sumphōnonOGI444.18 (Ilium); deny, disprove,talēthesPhld.Rh. 1.5 S., cf. Sign.37 (Pass.):—Pass., to be struck off a register, PTeb.74.29 (ii B. C.); to be rejected, of a petition, POxy.1120.8(iii A. D):—Astrol., cancel, render ineffectual, Vett.Val.115.3, cf. 105.8 (Pass.).

Gal. 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal. 3:27 (What I mean to say is) as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

27] quicumque enim in Christo baptizati estis Christum induistis

Enim why because, for, for instance, namely, that is to say, I mean, in fact I. To corroborate a preceding assertion, yes indeed, yes truly, of a truth, to be sure, certainly, indeed: A. To prove or show the grounds of a preceding assertion

We are children of God BY faith, "what I mean is" those who have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Literary example
Cic. Off. 1.39 13. Again, if under stress of circumstances individuals have made any promise to the enemy, they are bound to keep their word even then.

For instance, in the First Punic War, when Regulus was taken prisoner by the Carthaginians, he was sent to Rome on parole to negotiate an exchange of prisoners;

2. c.dat., refuse one's assent, “tois hupo Timaiou eirēmenoisPlb.12.14.6.
3.
deal treacherously with, break faith with,tinaPlb.9.36.10, LXX Is.1.2,

Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the Lord hath spoken,
        I have nourished and brought up children,
        and they have rebelled against me. Isa 1:2

Ev.Marc.6.26; “eis tinaLXX 3 Ki.12.19; “en Israēl4 Ki.1.1: abs., IG12(5).129 (Paros).
II. Gramm., reject as spurious, D.H. Din.9, D.L.7.34, etc.
III. abs., to be unsuitable, unfit, Diph. 1 D

1 Thessalonians 4.7 For God called us not for uncleanness, but in sanctification.
1 Thessalonians 4.[8] Therefore he who rejects doesn't reject man,
        but God, who has also given his Holy Spirit to you.

These words spake his parents, because they feared the Jews:
        for the Jews had agreed already,
        that
if any man did confess that he was Christ,
        he should be
put out of the synagogue. Jn.9:22

Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him;
        but because of the Pharisees
they did not confess him,
        lest they should be put out of the synagogue: Jn.12:42
                For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God. John 12:43

He that believeth NOT shall be damned, says Jesus Christ: If you refused to comply with "he that believeth AND is baptized shall be damned" I do not say that you are under the control of Lucifer.

Apistos , on,
I. Pass., not to be trusted, and so:
1. of persons and their acts,
by untrustworthy, groundless confidence, Th.1.120; shifty, unreliable, Pl.Lg.775d.
II. Act., mistrustful, incredulous, suspicious,thumos de toi aien a.
        b. in NT, unbelieving, 1 Ep.Cor.6.6, al.
2. disobedient, disloyal, S.Fr. 627: c. gen., A.Th.876; ekhein apiston . . anarkhian polei, i.e. anarkhian ekhein apeithousan polei, ib.1035, cf. E.IT1476.
2. Act., distrustfully, suspiciously, Th.3.83; “a. tina diatheinaiD.20.22.
b. treacherously, Ph.1.516.

Of course, they were saved by GOD but not WITHOUT faith, obedience, getting into the COFFIN (not a boat) covered with blood-red bitumen inside and out, and was high and dry while the OLD MAN OF SIN was drowned. Remember that Peter said SAVE YOURSELVES from this CROOKED GENERATION. That points to the perverted skolion new wineskinners.

They were saved BY the Water because the water DROWNED "sin" and lifted them OUT or ABOVE the waters which drown.

Baptism is like God, the Ark and the Water: it was given POWER by Faith which worked. God's power is always VESTED in something.

Heb 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet,
        moved with fear,
        prepared an ark to the saving of his house;

        by the which he condemned the world,
        and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

It is true, Baptism is the SEAL that Christ has given us A holy spirit and at the same time condemns those who refuse to comply or "believeth not."

Were the enemies of Christ right after all: A late article claims that Jesus drank wine. That, of course, would disqualify Him to be both High Priest and king. Fred Peatross proposes that Jesus was a party kind of guy.  Grace teaches us to DENY what the new definition of grace almost demands.

See The Progressive Church of Christ.

Scripture uses words like GRACE as pointers and then defines true grace as the power to be conformed to God's Will. Grace is derived from Chara which as Charis or Charismatic means giving homosexual favors.  Jesus of Nazareth whom God made to be both Lord and Christ also bears the name  Word and Grace: Grace personified teaches us NOT to do those things the pagan Graces performed in pagan religion.

Discussed at Grace Centered Forum but rebuttal blacklisted. Therefore, I have posted a growing review.  

In very clear text, Ephesians 4 gave gifted leaders to make certain that none of those performing arts and artists are allowed to participate. Only the, can the ekklesia or synagogue be conducted: in this chapter Paul is inclusive and exclusive as a pattern.

IN PROPHECY BY THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST:

Jer 23:17 They say still unto them that despise me,
        The Lord hath said, Ye shall have peace;
        and they say unto every one that walketh
        after the imagination of his own heart,
        No evil shall come upon you.

Despise tthe Word of God:
Blasphēmo , āre, ak profanely of sacred things, “eis theousPl.R.381e; offer rash prayer I.  v.a., = blasphēmeō (eccl. Lat.), to revile, reproach, Vulg. 1 Par. 20, 7; God and divine things, to blaspheme: “Christum,Prud. Apoth. 415: “nomen Domini,Tert. adv. Jud. 13 fin.; Vulg. Lev. 24, 11; id. Matt. 9. 3; 26, 65.
2. speak ill or to the prejudice of one, slander, “peri tēs emēs diatribēs

ISAIAH AS REPEATED BY PAUL

Jesus said that God HIDES Himselve (very well, thank you) from the Wise: the Sophists they didn't know in preacher factory.

1Cor. 1:19 For it is written, I will DESTROY the wisdom of the WISE,
        and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1Cor. 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe?
        where is the disputer of this world?
        hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
1Cor. 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God
        the world by wisdom knew not God,
        it pleased God by the foolishness of PREACHING to save them that believe.

Sophis-tês , ou, ho, master of one's craft, adept, expert, of diviners, Hdt.2.49; of poets, meletan sophistais prosbalon Pi.I.5(4).28 , cf. Cratin.2; of musicians, sophistês . . parapaiôn chelun A.Fr.314, cf. Eup.447, Pl.Com. 140; sophistêi Thrêiki (sc. Thamyris) E.Rh.924, cf. Ath.14.632c: with mod

II. from late v B.C., a Sophist, i.e. one who gave lessons in grammar, rhetoric, politics, mathematics, for money, such as Prodicus, Gorgias, Protagoras, a quibbler, cheat,  a RHETORICIAN as the primary meaning of a HYPOCRITE.

hoi s. tōn hierōn melōn” A sophist, serpent, makes MUSICAL MELODY with a congregation AS a harp and cannot grasp that IN THE HEART is a place.

WISDOM IS:  sophia , Ion. -, h(, prop. A. [select] cleverness or skill in handicraft and art, as in carpentry, tektonos, hos rha te pasēs eu eidē s. Il.15.412; of the Telchines, Pi.O.7.53; entekhnos s., of Hephaestus and Athena, Pl.Prt.32 1d; of Daedalus and Palamedes, X.Mem.4.2.33, cf. 1.4.2; in music and singing, tekhnē kai s. h.Merc.483, cf. 511; in poetry,

WISE: Sophos A. [select] skilled in any handicraft or art, clever, harmatēlatas s. Pi.P.5.115, cf. N.7.17; “kubernētēsA.Supp.770; “mantis Id.Th.382;

THE ONLY AUTHORZED PASTOR-TEACHERS ARE THE ELDERS.

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists;
        and some, pastors and teachers

WHY?

Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: The Word EDIFY means EDUCATE: Romans 15 says you speak "that which is written" using one MIND and one MOUTH to educate.

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HOW?
Eph 4:13
Till we all come in 
        A. the unity of the faith, and of
        B. the knowledge of the Son of God,
        C. unto a perfect MAN,
        D. unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Now, you know that an elder as the only Pastor-Teacher is to "teach that which is written" to mature "children" into "men" and to PREVENT the NAVIGATING THE WINDS OF CHANGE which always marks the musical perverts STALKING you.

Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, 
        and carried about with every wind of doctrine,
        by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness
whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
-Fluctuo  fluctus, to move in the manner of waves, i. e. to wave, rise in waves, undulate, to move to and fro, be driven hither and thither
I. Trop., to be restless, unquiet, uncertain, doubtful; to rage, swell; to waver, hesitate, vacillate, fluctuate,  Oratio II. In partic., formal language, artificial discourse,
-Oratio E. A prayer, an address to the Deity (eccl. Lat.): “respice ad orationem servi tui,Vulg. 3 Reg. 8, 28: “per orationes Dominum rogantes,id. 2 Macc. 10, 16: “pernoctans in oratione Dei,id. Luc. 6, 12.—Also absol., prayer, the habit or practice of prayer: “perseverantes in oratione,Vulg. Act. 1, 14: “orationi instate,id. Col. 4, 2; cf. Gell. 13, 22, 1.

-cĭto . To put into quick motion, to move or drive violently or rapidly, to hurl, shake, rouse, excite, provoke, incite, stimulate, promote,
Carried About:
Greek Panourgia see more below

Latin:
-Circumfero to bear something or carry around  “lyram in conviviis,Quint. 1, 10, 19
-Lyra , ae, f., = lura,
I. a lute, lyre, a stringed instrument resembling the cithara, fabled to have been invented by Mercury and presented to Apollo, Hyg. Astr. 2, 7: “curvae lyrae parens,Hor. C. 1, 10, 6: “Threiciam digitis increpuisse lyram,Ov. H. 3, 118: “mox cecinit laudes prosperiore lyrā,id. A. A. 3, 50; Val. Fl. 5, 100.—
II. Transf.
A. Lyric poetry, song: “imbellis,Hor. C. 1, 6, 10: “Aeoliae Lesbis amica lyrae,Ov. Am. 2, 18, 26; id. P. 3, 3, 45.—
B. In gen., poetic genius: “Inferior lyra,Stat. Th. 10, 445.—
C. Lyra, the constellation, the Lyre: “exoriente Lyra,Ov. F. 1, 315; cf. Hyg. Astr. 3, 6; Varr. R. R. 2, 5.

-Con-vīvĭum , ii, n. vivo; lit., I. a living together; hence, a meal in company, a social feast, entertainment, banquet

-Quint. 1, 10, 19 From the importance thus given to music also originated the custom of taking a lyre round the company after dinner, and when on such an occasion Themistocles confessed that he could not play, his education was (to quote the words of Cicero) “regarded as imperfect.”
B.  Of a narrative or discourse, to publish abroad, proclaim, divulge, disseminate among the people, report
C. In the lang. of religion, to lustrate, purify any one by carrying around him consecrated objects (torches, offerings, etc.)
D.  In rhetoric: “oratio deducta et circumlata,expanded, drawn out into periods, Quint. 4, 1, 60 Spald.
-Ventus wind 3. Ventis verba dare, i. q. not to keep one's word or promise, Ov. H. 2, 25 Ruhnk.
B. [Plur., personified as deities, the winds: te, Apollo sancte, fer opem; teque, omnipotens Neptune, invoco, fame, applause, Turbo

B. 
Plur., personified as deities, the winds: te, Apollo sancte, fer opem; teque, omnipotens Neptune, invoco; Vosque adeo, Venti! Turpil. ap. Cic. Tusc. 4, 34, 73 (Com. Rel. v. 119 Rib.); Lucr. 5, 1230 (1228); cf. Ov. H. 17 (18

Apollo is Abaddon or Apollyon in Revelation: the Locusts are the "muses" well known in Greek literature.

CHURCH MUST NEVER PERMIT PEOPLE CLAIMING TO NAVIGATE THE WINDS
Hermes appears to have been the chief of the Cabiri (Roscher, Myth. Lex. 2360); with his cult compare the Gallic (Caesar, B. G. vi. 17; Rhys, Hibbert Lectures, pp. 5-20 and ch. iv) and German (Tac. Germ. 9) worship of Mercurius. The latter, Odin, would seem to be like Hermes a wind god, and this may be true also of the Thracian deity. It seems improbable that the Thracians were content with so small a pantheon.
CHURCH MUST EXCLUDE ALL OF THE CUNNING CRAFTSMEN.

Panourgia (g3834) pan-oorg-ee'-ah; from 3835; adroitness, i.e. (in a bad sense) trickery or sophistry: - (cunning) craftiness, subtilty.

-Panourg-êma  A. knavish trick, villainy, S.El.1387 (lyr.), LXX Si.1.6 (v.l.); sophistry, Gal.5.251; cf. panourgeuma.

1Cor. 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you
        seemeth to be wise in this world,
        let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
1Cor. 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God.
        For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
1Cor. 3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.